"Superman Actors Jumping Out of Vans?!" Tim Miller vs Dean Cain On ICE

0:00There's an old saying in Hollywood, if all you can get is Dean Cain, you are fucked. The fact that I'm being, you know, pilloried or attacked for joining up with a federal law enforcement agency is insane. And now we've got ICE agents and apparently former Superman actors are going to jump out of vans and nab them. I'm not untrained.

0:19Piers Morgan:I've been a sheriff's deputy for almost 10 years. I don't think the fact he's been an actor or a footballer or Superman or anything else makes any difference. You're going out and you're villainizing myself. You're going out and you're villainizing these ICE agents who are trying to uphold the law. I'm announcing a historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam, and squalor. Pam Bondi doesn't have any experience managing a police department any more than Dean does as an ICE agent. Deportation raids carried out by ICE have become a major flashpoint in U.S. politics and culture.

0:56Piers Morgan:Some heavy-handed and badly managed deportations have taken the gloss of President Trump's decisive action to close the southern border, sparking protests here in Los Angeles and drawing criticism from the likes of Joe Rogan. Now, amid the fire and brimstone, it's only fair to point out this administration is currently deporting less than half of the monthly total deported under both President Obama and Biden. That's because it's much harder to find and deport illegal immigrants who have been in their communities for years than it is to send them back across a border you had essentially left wide open.

1:31Piers Morgan:Recruitment may be the answer. ICE is offering a$50 ,000 signing bonus as pilloried by South Park, and its new signings include actor and former Superman star Dean Cain. But not everybody is impressed. On the cross side, no need for that guy to wear a mask because the chances of anyone recognizing him are fucking zero. You know, there's an old saying in Hollywood, if all you can get is Dean Cain, you are fucked. I'm not saying that ICE isn't finding people, I'm just saying, when you are reduced to pinning a badge on the 59-year-old star of the dog who saved Christmas, the dog who saved Christmas Vacation, the dog who saved the holidays, the dog who saved Halloween, the dog who saved Easter, and the dog who saved summer, maybe you are in trouble.

2:17I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.

2:18Piers Morgan:SO HAS DEAN KANE MISJUDGED THE PUBLIC MOOD HERE OR IS HE THE HERO AMERICA NEEDS IN THE QUEST FOR IMMIGRATION JUSTICE? WELL, ACTOR DEAN KANE JOINS ME TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF ALONGSIDE THE BALLWALK COMMENTATOR AND HOST TIM MILLER. WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU. DEAN KANE, YOUR RESPONSE FIRST of all to John Oliver's attack. Why does John Oliver hate dogs?

2:45So I did a lot of dog movies. I've done over 200 movies. I've done tons of films and thousands of hours of television. John Oliver is making a point, I guess, that I'm 59 years old and I've joined ICE, but it has nothing to do with, you know, go ahead and denigrate my career, which is weird. It's an odd thing to do. But what I'm doing is I'm standing up for the men and women of ICE. I'm a sworn deputy sheriff. I'm a reserve police officer. I have been for over a decade or almost a decade now. And our ICE agents are being vilified. They're being attacked. They're being doxed. And they're out there trying to do their job.

3:24They're doing the job that the American people hired them for, that Congress wrote the laws for. They're doing it very, very well. And I stood up there. I did a recruitment video for them. Everybody thought that I actually joined ICE. And then after the hullabaloo, I spoke with some ICE officials and I said, you know what? Why don't I just want to swear me in? Let's do this. And I'm 100 percent proud to stand with our agents of ICE. I love I love these people. They're wonderful men and women and husbands and fathers of every ethnicity, every race, every background. And we've had over 100 ,000 or close to 100 ,000 applicants now.

4:00I'll happily take the jibes of John Oliver, who also said that it would be, you know, that America doesn't want Donald Trump to run, you know, to win, but they desperately want him to run. The same people that laughed at that sort of stuff and made the cheap jokes on Donald Trump's at his expense. Well, look who's in the White House right now. So it's just you can make the cheap jibes. And it's funny. And Bill Maher did it. And a few, let's see, a couple of our congressmen did it, too. But, you know, the fact that I'm being, you know, pilloried or attacked for joining up with a federal law enforcement agency is insane.

4:38I did it to protect Americans and to protect our men and women of ICE.

4:44Piers Morgan:Tim Miller, welcome back to Uncensored. First of all, in terms of Trump's overall policy on immigration, do you applaud the success he's had in pretty much shutting down the southern border? And do you agree that any undocumented Americans who commit crimes in the United States should be deported? On those two points first, are you broadly in agreement with what they've done? Sure. Good feedback, Piers. I knew you were going to ask this question because I got up the last time I was here. So, you know, I have a little bit of a follow up for you. Look, I think that obviously the border was too open under past administrations and we need to have control over who's coming into the country and who's not.

5:30There was some progress on that actually in the last year of the Biden administration. Donald Trump as administration has advanced that further. I think having control of the border is something that makes sense. deporting people that have committed other crimes, not just we can discuss what we mean by crimes, but deporting people that have deported violent crimes, rather, as opposed to immigration crimes, of course. We should deport people that have committed violent crimes. Here's the problem, though, which is why I just can't give him full credit. You don't actually want to be a country that nobody wants to come to, because that's where we're at now, where there is zero border crossings.

6:03And that is actually not a good thing. I wanted to pull up. Here are the lists of the countries with negative net migration. That could be us this year. We're going to have negative migration, more people fleeing America than coming. Some of the other countries that have that Syria, Venezuela, Ukraine in the middle of being invaded, Pakistan, Sudan, China. That's not what we want. A growing country wants people to want to come here. We want people to want to flee in communist countries to come to America. We're going to have negative population growth for the first time in this country. Other countries that have that, Russia, Cuba, Bulgaria.

6:37I don't aspire for America to be like Syria and China and Russia, where people don't want to go into their countries. We don't want to have a country that's fully locked down. I disagree with Donald Trump's immigration policy across that board, because that's what's happening in this country. People are no longer coming here. It's not just the violent criminals that are being kept out, people that want to come, work hard, contribute to this country. That is what America has been FOUNDED ON, THEY PAY LIP SERVICE TO THAT. THEY SAY WE SUPPORT LEGAL IMMIGRATION, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE INTO THE COUNTRY.

7:06WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE LEAVING AMERICA THAN COMING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A WHILE THIS YEAR.

7:12Piers Morgan:CAN I PLEASE RESPOND TO THAT? I 'LL LET YOU RESPOND. I MEAN, THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR YOU IS I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER IS BORDER LINE PUN INTENDED MIRACULOUS. TO GO FROM MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE BIDEN FOUR YEARS COMING OVER EVERY YEAR ILLEGALLY ON THE BORDER TO BASICALLY JUST A FEW THOUSAND NOW, ALMOST ELIMINATING IT COMPLETELY, IS A HUGE SUCCESS FOR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. BIG TICK. I THINK THAT MOST AMERICANS I 'VE TALKED TO ARE UNANIMOUS. THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES BEING DEPORTED IF THEY COMMIT A CRIME.

7:49Piers Morgan:OKAY. SO WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THOSE THINGS. BUT WHERE I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE FURTHER STRATEGY OF ICE, THIS JUST SEEMS SOMETHING AMERICAN ABOUT ICE GOING INTO PLACES LIKE HOME DEPOT AND GRABBING PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE COUNTRY FOR 10 YEARS, WHO MAY HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING THEIR TAXES THROUGH GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT, CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY, MAYBE HAVE KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN BORN IN THE UNITED STATES. GRABBING THOSE PEOPLE AND THROWING THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY SEEMS TO BE QUITE UNAMERICAN TO ME FOR THE REASONS TIM ARTICULATED. And most of the polling I've seen suggests that at least two-thirds, maybe more, of Americans agree that they think that's a step too far.

8:33Piers Morgan:How do you feel about that? I mean, are you comfortable with Home Depot being raided by ICE and people like that who've not committed crimes other than being in the country undocumented, being deported? Well, let me ask you this question, Piers. What if you did that as a citizen in Europe? If I went to Europe and I stayed there and I was there for 20 years and I was undocumented, what would happen to me? I've had a home in Spain for 25 years. Well, my response to that would be that? I follow the immigration laws in Spain. I get stopped. I get stopped if I stay longer than 60 days in a 180-day period.

9:10All kinds of issues happen, and that happens in every single country. But let me get back to something real quick that Tim said, and I'll address that. The United States is the most immigrant-friendly by far country on this planet. We have over 50 million immigrants. Tim, just look at the numbers. More than the next four countries combined. We also let in a million people legally every single year. I don't think we really disagree that much. I'm sorry. If you said something, I couldn't hear it. I just think not anymore. That's not what we're doing now under Donald Trump. I'm glad you, like the immigrants, are welcomed here.

9:45But right now, we're going to have negative net migration. Well, you're predicting something that isn't quite there. You know, I'm sorry. I don't know if I was talking over you. I apologize. Continue. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. Will we have negative migration? Well, it depends. If you're going to, you know, negative compared to last year under the Biden administration. Our immigration system, and I think we can both agree on this, is broken. And Congress needs to write laws to fix it. There should be. We want immigrants here in the United States. But we don't want people to be here illegal, and we don't want people crossing the border completely unvetted.

10:22And that's the big issue that was going on for the last four years. But Dean, let me ask you, where do you draw the line? Well, that's not for me to make that policy. That's up to Director Lyons and Congress. I mean, these are things that Congress should be dealing with, and they should make those laws. And then our ICE agents will dutifully perform those duties. I mean, they'll take care of whatever the law is. You must have an opinion.

10:45Piers Morgan:YOU MUST HAVE AN OPINION WHERE THAT LINE SHOULD BE DRAWN. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL AGREE THAT THE SOUTHERN BORDER BEING CLOSED IS A GOOD THING. WE ALL THREE OF US AGREE THAT PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES WHEN THEY'RE IN THE COUNTRY UNDOCUMENTED, CRIMES THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS, THAT THEY SHOULD BE DEPORTED. SO WE 'VE GOT BROAD AGREEMENT ON THOSE TWO BIG PLANKS OF THE POLICY. THE ISSUE THAT TIM AND I HAVE IS THAT WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JUST GOING INTO HOME DEPOT AND GRABBING anyone who's undocumented is a particularly American thing to do, particularly if they've been in the country for a long period of time and built lives in America and are contributing to society and paying taxes and so on.

11:26Piers Morgan:So my question before I go back to Tim is simply, you know, if you were helping them reframe the law, where would you draw the line in terms of who you would allow to stay and who you would deport? Well, it sounds like you agree on policy but disagree on tactics. tactics and the way they're doing it, the way they're rolling in. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't, because I don't agree with deporting everyone who's in the country undocumented. Do you? Do everyone who's in the country undocumented? Well, that is not my decision to make. But I know that if you're in any other country undocumented...

12:03No, but what's your opinion? My opinion is if you're here illegally, you should go to... Oh, no, but what's your opinion, Dean? I'm trying to give it to you. If you're here illegally, you should have gone through steps to legalize your status. There's been countless opportunities to do that. There has been tons and tons of opportunities to do that. And you know you broke the law when you came here. It's the same as in any other country. You've got to find a way to legalize yourself or self-deport, or else ICE will come and they will deport you. OK, Tim, your response to that? This is crazy, you know, what he's saying.

12:39And I disagree with the tactics and the policy. The tactics have been, again, brutal. I think that Dean Cain wants to turn the country into something that looks more like an authoritarian country. We have negative people coming in, people going out. We have people in masks. Look, Dean was on Fox the other night, and Jesse Waters asked him, will you hop out of ice vans and start apprehending God? And Dean said he'd be willing to do that. This is not a TV show. Like, this is real life. The idea that somebody who is not trained would join ICE and join these guys that are putting on masks and jumping out of U-Hauls at a Home Depot and nabbing people, it's a horrible policy.

13:24It is un-American. It is not how we should treat people. It does not show a respect for individual rights in a free country. And the policy itself of deporting these people is of deporting everybody that is here undocumented is a crazy policy. It would crush the economy. Donald Trump's even backtracking on this policy. His friends in the ag industry have called him and said, you can't deport our ag workers. And then on top of that, not only is the policy bad and not all tactics un-American of these masked thugs jumping out and grabbing people, but ISIS screwing up over and over again. They don't need more agents.

13:57They certainly don't need more untrained actors as agents. Right here in Louisiana, I'll just give you two. Madonna Kashanian, she's a 64-year-old Iranian grandmother. She came here as a student. She did everything that Dean said. She was trying to get asylum. The U.S. kept kicking the can on that. She kept going to appointments. She's gardening outside her home, and she gets picked up by ICE. She was in detention for a week. Jose Francisco Garcia Rodriguez, 73-year-old grandfather, he emigrated on a U.S. boat from Cuba and tried to get asylum. didn't had a paperwork mistake, arrested by ICE, held for a week.

14:33George Redis in California, 25 years old, worked as a security guard, U.S. citizen. ICE grabbed him, held him for three days. And we can argue about this. This doesn't even get into the Venezuelans that we sent to Seacott, many of whom didn't come to the country illegally. They came legally. They sought asylum. They came across the border. And rather than sending them back to Venezuela, ICE and Kristi Noem sent them to a torture prison in a third country that they weren't even from. So ICE does not need more untrained agents right now. ICE needs to learn how to follow the law and treat people who have not committed crimes with respect and with the rights earned.

15:15Piers Morgan:Okay, but Tim, it remains the case. Hang on, Dean. Hang on, Dean. I'll come to you. The thing I would say, Tim, to that, As I said in the intro, it remains a fact that the level of deportation so far in this Trump term are about half of what they were in the Obama and Biden administrations. You've alluded to it. That's because this is kind of one of these things that's, you know, statistics like lies, damn lies and statistics. Part of the reason for that was, as you said, the border was open. We can critique it probably too open during the Biden-Obama administrations. when they're counting the deportations, that's people that come to the border, come across the border, get sent right back across.

15:55So it's easy to run the numbers up when you're doing that. The border right now is shut down, as you guys mentioned. So what they're now doing is going to get people from inside the interior of the country. That's much more challenging. And so they're spending all this money to get new ICE agents, people who are former actors, apparently, are going to come in and start helping with this. And the problem when you go into the interior of the country to start finding people, is if you're just trying to get a quota, Stephen Miller set quota, you're going to end up nabbing people like George Reddus, who was actually a citizen, or like Jimena Arias Cristobal, who was pulled over incorrectly, that could have got the wrong car.

16:32And you're going to screw up. But it sounds to me. Okay, but it sounds to me. You can not just put a quota and send people to Alligator Alcatraz and send them away. Like, it's more challenging. It's a hard.

16:46Piers Morgan:Okay, but it sounds to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, What critics would say of what you've just said is, OK, so what is the difference in principle between somebody who comes over the southern border illegally and somebody who's come over a different way or perhaps earlier over the southern border, but remains in the country illegally, notwithstanding the fact they may have built a life for themselves. If you're happy for people to be rejected immediately if they come over illegally, why would you be unhappy about them being held to account for being there illegally in a year, two years, three years?

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19:28We're not talking about people across the Rio Grande. We're talking about either children, DACA kids that got brought here by their parents. We're talking about people that overstayed visas. Donald Trump and J.D. Vance have made a bunch of people illegal that weren't because they came through asylum. Either Joe Biden or George Bush or Obama or even Trump actually himself in the first term gave people from a lot of countries, Venezuela, Cuba, etc., asylum, temporary protected status. Haiti, this was a big thing during the campaign. And so now they've taken away their status. And they're like, self-deport or we'll deport you.

19:58So these people didn't come illegally. They came through a legal process. And now we've got ICE agents and apparently former Superman actors are going to jump out of vans and nab them and hold them in deportation cells. That's insane. That's not how you act in a free country. So no, I do think in a lot of these cases, it is different. A lot of these situations are complicated. And they've tried to come legally. There is no doubt it is complicated.

20:25Piers Morgan:Dean, over to you. Tim, I don't understand why you have to go, you know, a former untrained actor. I'm not untrained. I've been a sheriff's deputy for almost 10 years. I've been a sworn sheriff's deputy and a reserve police officer. So I don't know why you're saying untrained. And by the way, when you when you join ICE, they train you. So to say that and try to denigrate because I'm an actor, I shouldn't be able to be concerned about what's going on with our borders or with our law enforcement agencies is denigrating. It's ridiculous. Should I say because you're a former Republican strategist, you have no say on anything?

20:58That's baloney. So first of all, discounting that, making a cheap joke, just like John Oliver or Bill Maher, anybody else. Let me finish my sentence, please. Let me finish my sentence, please. Denigrating somebody because they're doing this because of what they used to do or what they do, or whether they're an actor or a writer or a newscaster, is ridiculous. It's an ad hominem attack. It's wrong. And there's been over 100 ,000 people who have who have put in applications for ICE. So clearly there is a desire for people to step up and serve this country. Dean, if you show up at someone's if you said on Fox that you'd be happy that you if they sent you in, you'd be happy to jump out of a truck and go apprehend people.

21:44So if you show up at the door of someone's home as an ICE agent, which you're an ICE agent now, do you know what rights they have? I'm not an ICE agent yet. Oh, okay. So, yes, you are an untrained former actor. You are an untrained former actor. I'm a former professional football player, too. So, when I run down my resume, I mean, so it's stupid. I'm just telling a fact. You're an untrained actor. You denigrate it as though it's something negative. You denigrate it like it's something negative. Like, you know what you're saying. So, you're trying to gloss over it. It's ridiculous. It was snorkeen.