"That Man Is GUILTY!" Anthony Fauci SILENCE + Trump Vows Iran Revenge After Netanyahu Meeting

25:04Piers Morgan:Wow. Wow. Hang on. You yourself, in previous interviews on this show, have admitted there is a ban on international media and it should be stopped. I have said that there haven't been international correspondents. Since October 7th, they've all been there. Which one is it? I'll tell you very clearly. CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, AP, And AFP and Reuters all have staff on the ground and they have been reporting. Gazan reporters who work for those agencies and, of course, Al Jazeera as well. I forgot the Qatari... So, just to be clear, just to be clear... But what hasn't been allowed... I thought...

25:43I thought...

25:44Piers Morgan:Sorry, I thought that the narrative coming out of Gaza with Gazan journalists was they were all pro-Hamas. That's why 200-plus have been killed. And they're all pro-Hamas. therefore they're not actual journalists. Now your position is that the Gazan journalists are free, independent journalists and not Hamas. Is that your position? And secondly, there remains in place, as you know, Jonathan, a ban on all international media going into Gaza. Non-Gazan journalists from outside going in to do their job. So when you say to me, I should be better informed, I would love to be better informed. Let the journalists go in and do their job.

26:23Piers Morgan:You said about journalists. 267 journalists, according to international NGOs, have been reported killed, cited by various organizations that they were only journalists. Out of those, more than 125 have already been recognized by Hamas and the Islamic Jihad as their own fighters. Now, where's the reporting on that? Where's the outrage of media organizations? People like you. Where's the reporting on that? Where is the reporting on that? It's in the same... They'll do the reporting. I'm going to give you a little information. Information about... Was there a Gaza - Was there a genocide? Gaza talking about the voluntary emigration of the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

27:10That's the genocide the guy's sitting here denying to your face. Voluntary emigration with a bayonet in the back. Women and children so they can steal their land. Which genocide? Which genocide? The population is growing, for Christ's sake. The Gaza population is growing. Was there a genocide in Fallujah?

27:28Piers Morgan:Let's talk about a direct comparison here. Guys, guys, guys, time out. Don't all talk at once. We can't hear you. Let me bring Jim back in here. Jim, look, I... Hey, go on. You want to say something? Was there a genocide in Fallujah when the United States military was clearing that city in Iraq? Was there one in Al-Anbar when the same things were happening. But the amount of civilians killed per enemy combatant killed is lower in Gaza than it was when the United States was doing that. It's the truth. How do you know, Jim? Those are facts. Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, respectfully, Jim, how many civilians have died in Gaza?

28:11Piers Morgan:Because we can't get that number. Nobody knows for sure because we're taking health ministry. But take that. So how do you know the ratio? So how do you know, Jim, the ratio is the best in modern times? Nobody knows. I'm saying knowing how the ratio is the best. Take the worst case scenario. Take the lies from the Gaza Health Ministry and do the math from there on how many military-aged males were killed versus how many civilians and compare that to every other existence of urban combat of which we have direct comparisons. We can do the math and it's been done. What it says is that fewer civilians were killed in Gaza.

28:50Piers Morgan:Let me bring in, okay, let me bring in John. John, your response to that. The most moral army in the world. We're ignoring the fact here that the internationally recognized definition of genocide includes the forced removal of people. You don't have to execute people for it to be a genocide. Forcibly removing a civilian population is a legal definition of genocide. And that's been announced not just by Benjamin Netanyahu and Smotrich and Ben-Gabir, but by Donald Trump himself. Remember, he was going to make Gaza into the next Monte Carlo. No, better than Monte Carlo. That's genocide. Really, that's genocide?

29:35What you're doing now is keeping people out of the hands of the United Nations. That's moving them out of the way and keeping them safer so that Hamas won't use them as human shields. You call that genocide? I call you an extremely cruel system. Gazans don't even have the right to the territory. They got it as a gift from Israel. Why don't you see how you guys govern Gaza for your people? Hamas took control. They turned it into a terrorist state. And we've seen what happens. Why would Israel tolerate that? There's no reason for them to tolerate that. My argument, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim.

30:11Piers Morgan:Hang on, hang on, hang on. Don't talk at once. Please agree with him. Scott. I want to agree about Hamas. Hamas is a terrible Islamist terrorist group. I'm not sitting here defending their side of the story here at all. It is. However, it's so important to know, as I'm sure you must know, from great reporting from right-wing media like Richard Sale and UPI dating back to the 1980s, that the Israelis deliberately helped create Hamas and foist Hamas on the people of Palestine. I have an article about it called Netanyahu's support for Hamas backfired. And it's about how Netanyahu, according to his own government ministers, was pressuring Qatar to pay Hamas, to keep Hamas enthroned in Gaza, just so they can say to Americans, you don't expect us to deal with these terrorists, do you?

30:59And as Netanyahu said repeatedly, and we have him on video saying repeatedly, don't worry, I control the height of the flame. In other words, yes, to divide and conquer the Palestinian people, Israel foists Hamas on the Palestinians. But don't worry, they're not going to do Hamas on themselves. And Netanyahu kept them going. I would agree that he kept them going. And it was a bad idea. Cutting the grass, bad idea. All right, let me, let me, All right, let me, let me, let me. You know what would be refreshing? Okay, guys, guys, hang on.

31:33Piers Morgan:We've run out of time. Jonathan, we've run out of time. I want to ask each of you to give a one-line answer to this. And I mean it. Don't go on a rank. We haven't got time. I'll have to cut it off. A one-line answer, and the question is very straightforward. When will this war in Iran end, and how does it end? Jonathan, one line. It ends with the fall of the Iranian regime, with stability in the Middle East, with freedom for the Iranian people, and with peace between Iranians and Israelis. I don't know when, but I know that that will be the ultimate end of it. OK, John? It ends on the last day of the Donald Trump presidency with nothing having changed.

32:22Scott? IT'S ALREADY OVER. ALL THAT REMAINS IS THE DETAILS. THERE MIGHT BE FITS AND STARTS UNTIL THE FINAL DEAL, BUT THEY ALREADY CALLED THEIR OWN BLUFF IN LAUNCHING THIS IDIOT WAR AND THEY 'VE ALREADY LOST IT.

32:37Piers Morgan:AND, JIM, FINALLY YOU. IT ENDS WHEN THE PEOPLE OF IRAN REMOVE THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC AND REPLACE IT WITH A GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVE OF THEIR NEEDS AND THE WORLD COMMUNITY SHOULD UNITE BEHIND THAT IDEA. not a U.S. invasion, a force of will by all the free people of the world. Okay, I'm going to leave it there. Thank you all for a fascinating debate. I really appreciate it. Thank you. In a moment, we'll get to the dramatic developments in the Iran war as Zelensky and Netanyahu both visit the White House and the president weighs up a major escalation. But we begin with the extraordinary hearing that's been taking place today in the Senate.

33:17Although it pains me to do so because of the respect I have for the legislative branch of government and my decades-long record of cooperating with Congress, under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering your questions.

33:42Piers Morgan:Thank you. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES STATES AND THE UNITED STATES. DR. FAUCI WAS GIVEN A PRESIDENTIAL PARTON BY PRESIDENT BIDEN BUT MANY REPUBLICANS REMAIN CONVINCED THAT THEY CAN PROSECUTE HIM. THE PROBABILITY OF HIM BEING ARRESTED THIS YEAR HAS SPIKED FROM 4.5 % TO 13 % ON POLY MARKET. IS THERE A PLAN THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT? PETER NAVARRO IS A COUNSELOR TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND HE JOINS ME NOW. PETE NAVARRO, WELCOME TO UNCENSOR. PIERCE, I CALLED THAT SHOT THIS MORNING. I WAS ON C-SPAN DOING AN INTERVIEW JUST BEFORE THE HEARING AND I SAID THAT FAUCI WOULD INVOKE THE FIFTH AND THE PROBLEM THAT FAUCI HAS IS THAT HIS PUBLIC STATEMENTS ARE SO AT ODDS WITH HIS DIARY THAT THAT MAN IS GUILTY OF CRIMES AND HE DOESN'T want to dig the hole any deeper.

34:37So I appreciate you having me on. I was the White House policy coordinator for the Defense Production Act during the pandemic, right? What does that mean? I was the guy helping you to get masks and gloves and ventilators and swabs and all sorts of stuff. And what's interesting is if you read Fauci's diary, Piers, my name appears almost 60 times. And Fauci attacks me continually in his diary. But what's interesting is the diary will show that on all five of the things that he and I disagreed with, and I was the only guy in that White House besides the president who got in Fauci's face, I was absolutely right.

35:28He was absolutely wrong. And Americans died because of the adulation that Fauci had from the American people and the inability to stop his runaway train. Watching him invoke the fifth, you know, that's a long fall down from St. Fauci, Piers.

35:51Piers Morgan:WELL, IT'S A FASCINATING DAY BECAUSE OF COURSE, FAUCI WAS GIVEN THIS PARDON, AND THAT WAS UP TO THE DAY THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN LEFT OFFICE. THE PARDON COVERED THE WHOLE PERIOD BEFORE THEN. BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE PROTECTED HIM IF HE COMMITTED PERJURY DURING THE HEARINGS TODAY. HE'S CLEARLY TAKEN ADVICE FROM HIS LAWYERS AS HE SAID. NOW HE'S FRAMING IT AS THE I THINK THAT SENATOR RAND PAUL IS OBSESSED WITH TRYING TO PROSECUTE ME AND THEREFORE PURELY FOR LEGAL REASONS, I CANNOT COOPERATE TODAY. I'M PLEADING THE FIFTH. NOW THAT WE 'VE SEEN THE DIARIES, WHICH IN ITSELF IS FASCINATING, THE FACT THAT WE 'VE EVEN GOT TO READ THESE BECAUSE APPARENTLY HE JUST DID THIS ON A GOVERNMENT COMPUTER, THEREFORE IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD AND SO ON, WHICH DOES GO TO HIS JUDGMENT, I HAVE TO SAY.

36:39Piers Morgan:IT'S CLEAR FROM THE DIARIES, PETER NEVARO, THAT FAUCI COMES OVER AS A GUY WITH A VERY BIG EGO. YOU COULD SAY HE'S A NARCISTIST. HE LOVES BEING A CELEBRITY. HE BOATS OPENLY ABOUT HOW FAMOUS HE IS, THE MOST FAMOUS PERSON IN THE WORLD. HE NAME CHECKS ENDLESS CELEBRITIES FROM BARBARA STREISON TO JULIA ROBERTS AND SO ON. HE LOVES MEETING MEDIA PEOPLE. SO THAT'S ALL INDISPUTABLE.

37:09Piers Morgan:THE MOST DAMAGING CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN THINGS HE PUTS IN THE DIARIES AND WHAT HE WAS SAYING IN PUBLIC AT THE TIME. AND THIS IS WHY I'M SO HAPPY TO BE ON YOUR SHOW, PIERS, BECAUSE THE MEDIA HAS REALLY DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS. THE LEFT WING HAS IGNORED THE STORY. THE RIGHT OF CENTER MEDIA HAVE FOCUSED ON THE NARCISSISTIC QUALITIES OF FAUCI. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE

37:39We know for a fact that Fauci funded research at the Wuhan lab, where the virus almost certainly escaped from. We know that it was funded through the EcoHealth Alliance. We know that gain-of-function research was funded through that project, and gain-of-function research is what was used in Wuhan to take a harmless bat virus, change a gain in function so it could be transmitted to humans. And we know that the reason why that was done in a Dr. Frankenstein way was to create this virus so that Fauci and company could create a vaccine in the contingency in case we got that virus. I mean, it's like insane.

38:33So the short answer to your question is if Fauci does not take the fifth, he is going to have to admit that he funded gain of function research. And it's something that he ducked and lied about in earlier hearings that he could have been prosecuted for. He was asked that and he basically spun it away from that. So that's the smoking gun. And then And once you establish that he funded the gain of research that created the virus that killed millions worldwide, then you begin to prom why he did it, whether he made money on the side with the vaccine people and all sorts of things like that. That is where he is most vulnerable.

39:19And Rand Paul has been trying to get that out of him. This place is special for me. I'm on what we call Pebble Beach at the White House. 50 yards away, Piers. The first time I met Fauci was in the situation room. He I went head to head with him. I was saying we got to ban travel from China. He took the opposite position. I won that on behalf of President Trump. But then he would claim publicly that he always supported the ban. The diary contradicts that. In April, just down the way, in a Fox tent and also on Meet the Press, I said that it was a near certainty that that virus was from the lab, not from nature.

40:08What the diary shows with Fauci is this. Publicly, Fauci said it was from nature. Privately, he acknowledged that it was likely from the lab. That's a huge contradiction. Moreover, he orchestrated a cover using puppet researchers to propagate this from nature theory when the researchers themselves didn't even believe it. So that's an issue on the lockdowns. Again, I was here on the TV cameras saying that the lockdowns would likely kill more people. Then no lockdown because of things like suicide, depression, alcoholism, depriving people from getting adequate medical tests and things like that.

40:55And he was adamant about locking you and I up, taking away the right for people to gather together or go see, for example, my mother in her 90s when she was locked up in an assisted living place. So I was right about that. He was wrong. And then the mask thing. I was out getting masks. But the kind of masks that I was getting and building factories on were the N95. Those are the ones that for first responders, if you actually put them on, they help. these other kind of masks I said from the get go no no no no but Fauci was like he was like you wear a mask right you got to wear a mask so uh I think the point here Piers is that if you look at Tony Fauci as a man he is essentially uh as Bernie Madoff is to investing uh Fauci is the science he has gone from famous to what should be infamous and by the way buried the lead here THIS IS NOW A KEY ISSUE IN THE SENATE AND HOUSE RACES COMING INTO NOVEMBER BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF THOSE DEMOCRATS AT THAT HEARING SUPPORTED TONY FAUCI UNEQUIVOCALLY.

42:09HOW CAN THEY DO THAT AFTER READING THE DIARY?

42:14Piers Morgan:OKAY. SO LET ME JUST READ BACK A LITTLE BIT HERE. THE FINDINGS FROM THE DIARIES WHICH I THINK ARE PERTINENT TO WHAT YOU 'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT. HE TALKS ABOUT AN ENTRY IN HE TALKS ABOUT AN ENTRY IN 26th OF JANUARY 2020. RIGHT AT THE START OF THIS. HE SAYS NOW WE KNOW THE MARKET WAS NOT THE SOURCE. IT WAS THE AMPLIFIER. HAVING SAID THAT, SOMEWHERE THE VIRUS JUMPED FROM ANIMALS TO HUMANS. THAT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THAT ENTRY. 1st OF FEBRUARY 2020. HE SAYS THERE WAS NOT TOTAL AGREEMENT. YOU GOT TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT. THE PANDEMIC IS NOT A PANDEMIC HE IS NOT A PANDEMIC. HE IS NOT A PANDEMIC.

42:47YOU HAVE TO GO A LITTLE BACK BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER ENTRY WHERE HE WAS. LET ME FINISH.

42:52Piers Morgan:I WILL COME BACK TO YOU, PETER. IN FEBRUARY 2020, 1st OF FEBRUARY, A WEEK LATER, THERE WAS NOT A TOTAL AGREEMENT REGARDING HOW THE PANDEMIC STARTED. HE NOTED WHILE TWO SCIENTISTS BELIEVED IT WAS NATURAL, NINE OTHER OFFICIALS FELT DELIBERATE IN THE FACT THAT THE VIRUS WAS POSSIBLE AND THEY COULD NOT LET THIS GO. WEIGHING THE POSSIBILITIES IN LATER ENTRIES, HE REFINED HIS POSITION WRITING HE WAS ALMOST CERTAIN THAT THE VIRUS EVOLVED NATURALLY FROM A SPECIES JUMP. AND THEN IN RELATION TO KEEPING AN OPEN MIND, HE ADDED HE MAINTAINED AN OPEN MIND ABOUT A POTENTIAL LAB LEAK BUT CAUTIONED THAT JUST BECAUSE TWO ALTERNATIVES ARE POSSIBLE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE EQUALLY PROBABLE.

43:32Piers Morgan:Now, what people will say in Fauci's defence is this is a guy who spent 50 years of his life in public health in the United States. He was a primary designer of the president's emergency plan for AIDS relief, which indisputably saved millions of lives. He uncovered how HIV destroys the human immune system and helped develop life-saving treatments. He guided the U.S. response to threats involving Ebola, Zika, the West Nile virus, and then COVID-19. This is not a man who's gone through his five decades of life as a public health official, I would argue, from his history, deliberately trying to kill people.

44:13Piers Morgan:And yet you went on Fox this week and said this. Let me play a clip. For all the damages they did to their families and killing people and things like that, I mean, I don't think a pardon would prevent a class action suit against Fauci personally. He needs to be held accountable. I mean, think about it, Maria. The guy's sitting in a mansion with millions of dollars, and a lot of people in this country think this guy's a hero. He was Dr. Frankenstein of the modern era. This is indisputable fact right now. He created that virus using gain-of-function research. He did it for the express purpose. He thought it was like a good idea.

44:58Let's create the virus in case something happens in the future so then we can create a vaccine so if something happens in the future, we can deal with it. I mean, how did that work out, Anthony, you idiot? You need to come clean, Fauci. Fauci, you need to come clean, okay? QUIT HIDING BEHIND YOUR MONEY AND YOUR LAURELS AND YOUR PBS DOCUMENTARIES. COME CLEAN BECAUSE YOU KILLED PEOPLE.

45:29Piers Morgan:MY RESPONSE TO THAT, PETER, WOULD BE YOU ARE MAKING, HANG ON ONE SECOND, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. YOU ARE MAKING A NUMBER OF ASSERTIONS THERE, NOT LEAST THAT HE SOMEHOW DID ALL THIS DELIBERATELY AND IT ENDED UP KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE FOR THIS. IT'S A SUPPOSITION. YOU ACCEPT THAT? WHEN YOU SAY DELIBERATELY, LET ME SAY WHAT I THINK WITHOUT DOUBT, AND THE DIARY PROVES THIS, WHAT HE DID DELIBERATELY. WHAT HE DID DELIBERATELY, PIERS, IS HE CONDUCTED AN EXPERIMENT. THE EXPERIMENT WAS THIS. let's take a bat virus that can't go to humans, make it go transmissible to humans.

46:18Why do we want to do that? Because it could happen in the future. This is his thinking, because it could. And therefore, if we do that, then we can develop a vaccine against it so that if it happens in the future, we'll already have the vaccine. That's indisputable. That's what happened. So he deliberately funded that research because of this experiment. He had good intentions. Let's say he had good intentions. He wanted to create a suite of vaccines for a future which may or may not have happened. And what he didn't do, Piers, and this is where he's culpable, he didn't assume there could be a leak.

47:04He assumed you could conduct that experiment without any leaks. And it happened. And again, the diary is my best friend in terms of proving it. When the virus first comes out, he convenes all these scientists. They tell him there's a good chance it came from the lab. He seems honest at the time, wanting to think more about that. But then later on in the diary, we see him scrambling to figure out whether his agency had anything to do with funding the gain of research and gain of function research. And as soon as he finds that out, it's like, whoa, baby, it's time for the cover up. And then, I mean, Pierce, the biggest problem here is when you convene a bunch of scientists to write a paper that goes into respected journalism simply to make a from nature theory in order to cover up your culpability.

48:01Remember, Pierce, we didn't know at any time during the whole pandemic that he had engaged in that research at the Wuhan lab. Now, if I had known that during the pandemic, I would have been the first to call him out, and he would have been gone. Okay.

48:19Piers Morgan:Let's just turn quickly to the vaccines themselves. Sure. Do you think the vaccines were a good thing? Do you believe they saved many lives? Do you think the speed that they were created was a good, positive thing?

48:38I was involved with this at the very beginning. I think that President Trump and we in the administration did the exact right thing in terms of seeking to develop at warp speed a vaccine. Where it went wrong was two things. One is the vaccine companies, particularly Pfizer, held crucial data from us that indicated the kind of side effects that could be associated with the vaccine, the heart problems and the like. So we and Fauci was part of that whole vaccine complex. So your answer is we did exactly what we should have. But Fauci and the vaccine companies didn't provide us with the appropriate data than to warn the people.

49:32The second thing is that vaccine never, ever should have been used on children or healthy people, college age and in their 20s and things like that. Never, ever. It was a super mistake. And that's one that got taken over by the whole ideology of the vaccine, because it would have been much better to let healthy PEOPLE GET THE VIRUS, DEVELOP THE ANTIBODYS, AND EVENTUALLY WE WOULD DEVELOP HERD IMMUNITY A LOT FASTER. SO THAT'S A COMPLEX STORY. OKAY, I GET IT. I GET IT.

50:08Piers Morgan:IT IS COMPLEX. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I FEEL MOST INCENSED ABOUT ACTUALLY IN TERMS OF THE ADVISORIES THAT WERE GIVEN BY THE SCIENTISTS, BECAUSE I BELIEVED IT, WAS WHEN THEY SAID THAT IF YOU HAD THE VACCINE, YOU COULDN'T TRANSMIT THE VIRUS. THAT WAS AN ENORMOUS THING FOR THE FACT THAT I SAID, I SAID, I SAID, I SAID, I SAID, I SAID, I SAID, I SAID, I SAID THAT, I SAID, I SAID, I SAID, THIS, HANG ON, PETER, I EXPRESSED REGRET MANY TIMES FOR THE FACT I BECAME VERY CENSORIOUS TO PEOPLE WHO REFUSED TO HAVE THE VACCINE BECAUSE I BELIEVED THAT THEY WERE RISKING OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES BY NOT HAVING IT. THEY THEN CHANGED THE SCIENCE COMPLETELY.

50:47Piers Morgan:They then said a few months later, actually, we can now say that it makes no difference whether you've had the vaccine or not as to whether you can transmit the virus. And at that point, to me, everything changed because then whether you have the vaccine or not should be obviously a personal decision because your decision will not impact on potentially other people's lives. So there were a number of things like that, like the use of masks. We were told originally you had to, you know, they were going to be no good. then everyone had to do them. And then, as you said, certain types of masks were better than others, and so on.

51:21Piers Morgan:Now, again, playing devil's advocate here, if you're Fauci, and like all the health officials around the world, you're hit by this sudden pandemic, which is clearly killing a lot of people very quickly. I remember the scenes in Lombardi in Italy, where you had just devastating speed of deaths ripping through families. And you have to make quick decisions. Do you allow for the fact that because, you know, let's remember President Trump on his last day in office in 2021 gave an award of presidential commendation to Fauci and his team for the speed of Operation Warp Speed. So he was proud of what they did with the vaccines.

52:01Piers Morgan:But do you give him any slack, Fauci? Notwithstanding how this all originated, and I think you raised some very important questions and he should be answering them. And by taking the fifth, he will fuel the sentiment many people have that he's hiding something. So I accept that. But do you accept in a fast-moving pandemic, it is impossible to make all the right calls? And the stuff you're talking about now, you know, yes, some people said it at the time, but I remember at the time it being very fast-moving, very chaotic. No one was sure if it could, if the vaccines should or not go to kids or not.

52:38Piers Morgan:I MEAN A GUY FROM THE ASTRAZENECA PROGRAM IN OXFORD, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO TOLD ME THAT THIS WAS A, WE GOT AWAY WITH THIS ONE. HE SAID IF IT WAS THE BLACK DEATH AGAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT WAS THE BLACK DEATH AGAIN, THEN I THINK IT WAS 30 % OF THE DEATHS WERE KIDS IN THAT CASE. SO DO YOU GIVE HIM JUST FINALLY ANY SLACK FOR THE SPEED OF THE PANDEMIC AND THE EVER-CHANGING INFORMATION THAT CAME THEIR WAY?

53:06NO, AND LET ME GIVE YOU TWO reasons. First of all, as I said earlier, we did not get from Fauci and the vaccine companies the data. They hid the data on the damage and harm it could do to people. And Fauci himself should have understood, as I did as a layperson, that it's not a one-size-fits-all. The vaccine only should have been used and risked upon people with comorbidities, primarily senior citizens, full stop. But the best answer to your question, Piers, is hydroxychloroquine. I would guess, not knowing your views on this, that you think hydroxychloroquine is a quack medicine. But let me tell you this.

53:52This is one of the many fights I had with Tony Fauci. Hydroxychloroquine, we now know going forward with all the studies is number one it's a very safe medicine number two it's particularly effective for prophylaxis which which helps first responders and number three it has a it has a decent benefit in the first seven days of an infection so I had a million tablets of hydroxy sitting in warehouses ready to be dispensed to the American people and I take this to the bank peers. If I had been able to do that, thousands of Americans would be alive. Now, where does Fauci come into this? And this is where the blame is.

54:37In March of 2020, Fauci in his diary, several diary entries, is on record saying that hydroxychloroquine is very, very safe. He wanted it distributed immediately. He wanted remdesivir to go through trials, not the other way around, and he was all for it. The politics changed radically when President Trump said, hey, let's try hydroxychloroquine. There was like this just mass insanity in the left-wing media. Fauci flipped with that, and he was part of the pressure on the FDA to prevent this administration and me specifically from being able to do what I did. So when you ask me, do I give any slack to Tony Fauci?

55:27I say, absolutely not. There were just, I mean, he, there's a good case. I think we would have found out today whether he created the virus and killed people if he hadn't taken the fifth. And if I had been Rand Paul and the Justice Department, I would have given him immunity, good pun there, just to get the truth out of him. If you gave him, like, testimony of immunity, he would have had to answer those questions. You know what, Peter?

55:58Piers Morgan:You know what, Peter? That's a really good point. Because actually it would be in the American public interest to get the real answers expressed honestly. And if the barrier to doing that is that Fauci doesn't want to incriminate himself, then remove that barrier and get the information out there. I agree. Peter Navarro, I appreciate you coming on Censored. Thank you very much. Such a thoughtful conversation. I appreciate it, Piers. Thanks for letting me be on. Piers Morgan on Censored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing.

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