‘The Right Is FRACTURED!’ Brett Cooper on ‘Woke’ MAGA, Bad Bunny, Clavicular & Wuthering Heights

15:49Piers Morgan:You know, let's just be crystal clear. You know, there are some things that ice does I agree with, but when you're shooting American citizens in the streets, it's probably not great for the image of ice. You're allowed to be as an American as Bad Bunny is. You're allowed to be pissed off about that. A lot of people were. I was. And you should be able to express that under your First Amendment rights without the world caving in, without it being disqualifying for performing at the Super Bowl.

16:18Brett Cooper:Yes, and to further that point, you are allowed to say all of those things. We live in the greatest country on earth, in my opinion, where you are allowed to criticise your government and speak your mind, but you are also not entitled to an audience, which why, you know, that's why it's great that USA offered an alternative. So if you're outraged over it, you know, turn your outrage to something positive, support the people who are doing something that, you know, is more in line with your values. And it's great that there was an alternative. And if you don't want to watch Kid Rock, there's the Puppy Bowl.

16:45Brett Cooper:I don't know if you watch the Puppy Bowl, Pierce. It's amazing. You can turn on the Puppy Bowl and you can watch the rescue dogs. Last night's was extra depressing. They filmed it in October, but one of the dogs was like the special needs dog that was in this little...

16:58Piers Morgan:I have got, actually, I've got something you'll like. Because I broke my hip recently and one of my sons gave me this. I don't know if you can see it. That's great. Be the person your dog thinks you are. Now, the slight problem is I don't have a dog. I have two Burmese cats and they're much more inscrutable. But I do think as a general rule of thumb, be the person your dog thinks you are. If more people thought that, I think we'd be in a much better place, right?

17:25Brett Cooper:I'm glad you've solved politics, Pierce.

17:29Piers Morgan:How has motherhood changed you, Brett, in your outlook on life?

17:34Brett Cooper:Oh, gosh. I mean, in every way, it completely changes your life. I think the first thing that comes to mind that I've been saying a lot is that I give less of a crap about things now. A lot of things, you know, sort of in line with what we're talking about with politics, things seem less relevant to me in a lot of ways and less worthy of getting angry about. And I'm more interested in, you know, just being honest and speaking my mind and not really caring if I offend people and finding humor in things. I think a lot of that goes back to, you know, I just, you know, brought this child into the world.

18:16Brett Cooper:This is the most important thing in my life, I don't need to spend all of my energy being angry 24-7 about things. I would rather find humor and try to offer some unity and just common sense. And I think it was very easy, especially over the last couple of years, just to continuously get more and more angry and outraged by things and allow people on social media who are just sitting behind their phones 24-7 to derail the way that I view the world and my mental well-being and my joy. And I think that that has recalibrated me in a great way and to focus on the good things. But it's not just, you know, I say that and then I also want to acknowledge that it also has made me more serious about other things because I want him to grow up in a world that is full of common sense.

19:02Brett Cooper:I want him to grow up in the country that I know and love and not have it be, you know, taken over by people who hate him as, you know, a young white man. I want him to be able to grow up in a country with a strong economy so that he can buy a home and get a great job and start a family one day. And so it has made me more dedicated to fighting for the things that are good and true. But it has also, you know, allowed me to sit back and go, at the end of the day, a lot of the stuff that we scream about online, it might be funny, it might be entertaining. It can just be that. It doesn't have to be the end of the world because it's not the center of my world.

19:33Brett Cooper:So I think that that's been a healthy recalibration for me.

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21:01Piers Morgan:I mean, I'll play you the clip I'm talking about. Let's take a look.

21:05Brett Cooper:Do you see how insane that is? Like, I feel like I've been going crazy. There is no clarity. There is no consensus. But everyone is telling their audience that they are certain. And the outrage is overwhelming. And in my opinion, it's all a bunch of bullshit. Genuinely. All right, well, Pierce, that comment was not about what was in the files. It's about people's outrage and their certainty about what they're reading. I was not saying that, you know, the crimes that are, you know, the crimes that Epstein committed, the fraud that he ushered in, the, you know, allegations of him helping, you know, leaders of other governments launder money, the fact that he was, you know, teaching people in government how to leverage their political power into private sector power.

21:52Brett Cooper:It's the fact that we have people sitting on their show saying, I can tell you for certain that this is exactly how it is. I've read everything. Bullshit. most people have not read the three and a half million files. I haven't. I'm not going to lie to my audience. And when we have people saying this confirms that Epstein is Mossad, we have Bibi Netanyahu saying this confirms that he was not Mossad. We have people saying this confirms that Donald Trump, you know, was part of this and was sleeping with young girls. But Donald Trump is saying this absolves him. That is ridiculous. And we're all screaming at each other when guaranteed most people yelling and saying with certainty, I know this, have not read it.

22:28Brett Cooper:That is the part that's bullshit. And I would rather have people be honest and say, okay, so this is what I've read. Let's take a more nuanced take of all of this. This is what we know. These are the things that are confirmed. These are the things that are redacted. These are accusations that were not verified, that were not solid enough to even be used in his cases. Let's just be honest. And so that was where I was upset because I spent the entire week, I waited to do that episode until seven days after the files were dropped because I wanted to be able to consume as much information as I could without getting on my platform and saying, I know everything when I don't.

23:02Brett Cooper:So it's not that...

23:03Piers Morgan:You see, it's interesting. It's interesting because I'm actually glad I asked you now because your clarification of that, as you know, a lot of stuff gets... I've had this myself many times, where people will take a quote completely out of context and suddenly it blows up. And if you Google your name, you know, as Brett Cooper says, Epstein files are all bullshit, right? And it's so easy to do that. and it is quite infuriating, isn't it, when that happens? But I guess it's kind of the world we're in.

23:33Brett Cooper:No, for sure. And you just have to let it roll off your back. A great rule of thumb for me has been that I usually, I have my name muted on X so that I don't have to consume discourse about myself because it's like, I'm going to read my comments. I'm going to put things online. I can stand behind the things that I'm saying and I know that when I'm writing an episode and I'm laying it out, I know the story that I'm weaving and how I'm going to get from point A to point B. And if people don't want to sit and watch the entire thing, that's totally fine. And I also know that I've been in a position where I've watched a clip and thought something, you know, that somebody said was, you know, true or certain or that this is what they meant.

24:06Brett Cooper:And then I go and I watched the whole thing and I go, oh, I was completely incorrect about that. And usually when that happens, I get on my show and say, hey, you know, I took the time and I learned from this, which I think is, you know, that's an example I would like to set. So yeah, it's a lot of things get taken out of context, but that's the world we live in. That's the nature of our job and being online and people having technology to clip us. So, yeah.

24:26Piers Morgan:It certainly is. Now, you are a world authority on somebody called Clavicula, who I have to say hasn't brushed my life particularly. He got arrested at the weekend. First of all, who is Clavicula? I only know him because he was in that ridiculous van with Andrew Tate, Nick Fuentes, Sneeko, and the others in Miami. But who is Clavicula, and why has he been arrested? All right.

24:53Brett Cooper:So Pierce, Clavicular is a young man. I believe his name is Brayton, but he goes by Clavicular and he is a looks maxer. Do you know what looks maxing is? No.

25:05Piers Morgan:Educating.

25:07Brett Cooper:So looks maxing is this trend online where you are trying to make yourself look as physically attractive as possible. And it's basically like I'm taking autonomy for my well-being and how I look and I'm going to try to elevate my perceived status through the way that I look. And at the beginning, when I first saw this taking off and saw people saying they're looks maxing, like the videos are kind of cute. It's these guys who were maybe kind of awkward in high school. And then over the course of a couple of years, they start to care about their skin and their style and they get a new haircut. They hit the gym.

25:38Brett Cooper:They're eating healthy. They're looks maxing. Clavicular takes this to the extreme here. So he does something, for example, called bone smashing, where he takes a hammer to the jaw. And he believes that by fracturing, doing these like minute fractures on his jaw, it allows the jaw to grow back stronger and he's able to reform it. The most hilarious thing, which I definitely made fun of on my show, is that he puts, now you have daughters. I don't know if this is, you know, inappropriate to say you're also married, but there are these things called sticky boobs that women wear. Like if you're wearing like a strapless top, you put on like a little sticky boob bra.

26:12Brett Cooper:He puts those on his shoulders to try to make himself look more modern. I'm not kidding. They're like chicken puns.

26:18Piers Morgan:God, I'm learning so much here, Brett.

26:20Brett Cooper:No, you're so welcome. This is your education. So he puts these under his shirt. But the most egregious thing is that he very openly does drugs. He talks about doing meth in order to help him fast so that he can lose weight. He takes Adderall. And these are all things that he talks about very openly. And he is 20 years old. He is talking about using illicit, illegal drugs on his live streams every single night. So honestly, it's like a wonder that he has not been arrested prior to this. And my first episode that I did about him when I discovered him, as I was saying, like, you know, especially to parents, like, this is the content that your kids online are consuming.

26:54Brett Cooper:Like, we can be able to look at this and go, this is hilarious and ridiculous. But there are people that are taking it seriously, that are wanting to take his advice. That was my concern with it, especially for young impressionable wine. So that's clavicular. And the name clavicular comes from the clavicle. And this idea with looks maxers that having like a big, strong, prominent clavicle is like a sign of peak attractiveness. So he goes by clavicular, I guess. But yes, he was arrested. He went to a frat party at ASU over the weekend. And interestingly, you might find this funny, Pierce. He's having a profile done of him by The New York Times.

27:30Brett Cooper:And the only way that he agreed to let The New York Times do the profile was if they live streamed the entire interview on kick. So if you go back, you can watch an entire New York Times journalist interviewing him for like hours. And it's it's honestly a smart move because if they take anything out of context, he has thousands of people that were watching it on stream. But that also that was a pitfall because he was filmed. He had a prescription pill in his pocket and I don't think he had the prescription on him. I don't know if he even has a prescription for it. He was also using a fake ID. They arrested him.

28:03Brett Cooper:Now the fake ID charge has been upped to a forgery charge. He's not allowed to leave Arizona, which is a big problem for him, Pierce, because he was about to walk in New York Fashion Week. That's some exclusive tea that I have for you. So he's not going to be able to do that because he's stuck in Arizona. He's not allowed to do any drugs or be drinking. He has to be sober. So maybe we'll start seeing sober maxing instead of looks maxing. So, yeah, that is clavicular. And basically, overnight, he has become this viral sensation. and the language, this is also really interesting to me, but he's basically created his own language on social media with words like clavicular and looks maxing.

28:45Brett Cooper:And he's not really a political figure, but all of his politics are based on how attractive you are. So you might've seen the viral clip. What about this word? Yes.

28:53Piers Morgan:What about this other word I've heard? Mogging. What is mogging?

28:58Brett Cooper:That's what I was going to bring up is that mogging means that you are like beating somebody with your attractiveness. So for instance, he said he doesn't want to vote for J.D. Vance if he is the candidate in a couple of years because Gavin Newsom mogs J.D. Vance. Gavin Newsom has a better jawline, is more in shape, so that's what Clavicular cares about. And so there was an especially viral clip where he walked into this ASU frat party and he was on his stream and an ASU frat leader frame-mogged him. And frame-mogged apparently means that his body was, I guess, like was more in shape than clavicular's.

29:37Brett Cooper:Anyway, it's a whole thing. It's ridiculous, Pierce. And so if your children start saying mogged, maxing, if they start saying, if foy is another one, it's a term for women. Like foids will come up to clavicular. It is, like, it's honestly, it's incredible how quickly these viral trends can take hold and how quickly these terms can just be inserted into the lexicon. So anyway, that's clavicular. It's crazy. So stay tuned. We'll see.

30:03Piers Morgan:I mean, my issue with all those guys, I've interviewed Andrew Tate a number of times. I've interviewed his brother, Tristan. I've interviewed Fuentes, obviously, Sneeko briefly with Kanye and a kind of farcical thing.

30:15Brett Cooper:My day kicks off with a refreshing Celsius energy drink, then straight to the gym. Pre-K pickup, back home to meal prep. Time for my fire station shift. One more Celsius, got to keep the lights on. When the three alarm hits, I'm ready. Celsius. Live, fit, go.

30:37Piers Morgan:My issue with all of them is not that in their own way they're not all quite smart, because there are in a sort of streetwise smart way. But there is a line, there's two lines that run through them all. One is a desire just to shock for the sake of being shocking and to say things like in Fuentes' case, you know, to joke about Hitler and the Holocaust or that kind of thing, which is the kind of behaviour you expect from a 13-year-old boy at school who's trying to, you know, appeal to the class by being the class joker who thinks anything's funny. And they never seem to grow out of it. But secondly, there is a streak of real misogyny that runs through all of them, which I do think is really unpleasant.

31:17Piers Morgan:And it worries me that millions of young men, boys, watch this stuff and think the kind of casual misogyny is the way to treat women.

31:27Brett Cooper:that that does concern me no and i think if we go back to that now infamous stream in miami which really blew clavicular up in a lot of ways um there was that whole clip of gosh what's his name his name is justin and he's one of the friends of the tate brothers and he was talking to clavicular and telling him how he never takes women on a date he doesn't want to actually sit down and speak to a woman and then there's another clip where he's like you know um you don't want to engage with you still want to sleep with them, but they shouldn't be one of your top women. It's just like, it's disgusting.

32:00Brett Cooper:And maybe I'm numb to it now because it's very prevalent on social media. But I look at all of that and I laugh at it, honestly. Thankfully, in my circles, you know, the friends of my husband's, my friends, the young men that I know that hasn't taken hold. And most of the people in our circle laugh at it and see it as being like another form of reality TV and just being a ridiculous side of society. But again, the reason why I do episodes about this, and I might talk about how it's very funny and I get a kick out of it. At the end of the day, the point that I do try to make it at the end of every episode is that we can consume this kind of content.

32:37Brett Cooper:We can engage it with it, laugh. I made a couple of jokes about Clavicular last night when I was posting about the Super Bowl. But at the end of the day, that is still content that we are subliminally, oh my God, I can't even speak right now, but we are consuming. And those are messages that we are consuming, whether we are intending to or not, especially with young impressionable minds. And so it's important for parents to be aware of what their children are watching. And I would say the same thing for adults as well, like for the women who sit around, you know, watching reality TV, which I definitely do sometimes if you're watching shows like too hot to handle, those are not teaching you, you know, great values.

33:10Those are not encouraging,

33:12Brett Cooper:you know, marriage and family and love and treating people with respect. And so I think it's important to know that, you know, you can consume content that is humorous and entertaining and be aware that it is just that. It is entertainment. It is like watching a movie and you should walk away and be able to go, that's gross behavior. I laughed at it, but be able to distinguish between the two. And that's something that has been a common thread in my content for the last four years is being able to dissect these things that are happening on social media and say, this is what young people are consuming.

33:42Brett Cooper:These are where our jokes are coming from. These where our attitudes are coming from, whether you know it or like it or not, this is how we're being influenced. So at least be aware of what you're consuming. Because even though I think the world would be a better place if everybody turned off their phones and stopped watching X, Y, and Z and didn't spend so much time scrolling on TikTok, that's not going to happen. We're all online. These figures are blowing up. We're consuming their content. So the best thing that you can do is at least be aware of the messages that they are sending.

34:06Piers Morgan:I mean, I spend at least an hour a day watching lion reels, literally reels of lions in the African bush. I'm addicted. That's much help. Completely addicted.

34:17Brett Cooper:Mine is all... It's just so weird.

34:20Piers Morgan:Yeah, lion reels, I could watch them all day long. I think it's because they've got two cats, and they're basically mini lions, but it's just... I find them fascinating. I just want to end by asking you how you're going to spend Valentine's Day, I assume, with your husband, the father of your young son, but I'm assuming also you won't be going to see Wuthering Heights, the new movie, which opens on Valentine's Day.

34:44Brett Cooper:No, I will not. You know, I'm an English literature major and I spent most of my time at UCLA focusing on literature from that era, actually. And I love British literature. I revere it. My favorite novel in the world that I spent the most time in school studying is Jane Eyre. So that was written by one of the Bronte sisters. and I just feel like this Wuthering Heights is a crime. It's a crime and it was, you know, the director has even admitted that this is just based on her sexual fantasy that she had while reading the book down to the casting of Jacob Lordy and how she is perceiving it. Like it is not a thoughtful, accurate adaptation of the book.

35:25Brett Cooper:It is a woman's sexual fantasy and honestly, we're seeing more and more women be interested in reading smut and watching pornography. I think we've spent a lot of time shaming men about pornography and talking about the dangers of men consuming pornography. And we should be having that conversation with women as well, because this, what we're seeing is soft porn. When women say, oh, I'm reading this new romance book, it's smut. And so I think that's an important conversation that we should be having. So no, I will not be watching it. You know, and it sucks, Pierce, because it does look like it was shot beautifully.

35:54Brett Cooper:We can even like round this out and go back to Bad Bunny, where, you know, artistically, it looks like the cinematography is very cool. The costumes look incredible. Margot Robbie has looked fantastic on her press tour, but it's just not my cup of tea. So I'm not going to be consuming it. I think that it's weird and sexual and a crime against British literature. So yeah, we'll not be consuming that. I'll be out having dinner with my husband and our baby and that's how I'll be enjoying my Valentine's Day.

36:19Piers Morgan:Well, that sounds great. I just want to end actually talking of babies. There's a great clip during the rounds and it's the reaction of a young woman who apparently didn't want kids holding a baby and breaking down in tears. Let's just take a quick look at this. It's like a panic attack. You're giving up a terrible life. Oh, my God. Thank you, Chris.

36:45Brett Cooper:I can't even wipe my eyes. I'm going to get my tears on the baby. Oh, you look beautiful. I can't look down. Look at her.

36:53Piers Morgan:Watch her neck. She's so cute.

36:54Brett Cooper:Oh, my God.

36:55Piers Morgan:I need to have a kiss. I need to have her. I want to take my top off and have skin contact.

37:12Piers Morgan:Do you think, Brett, if everyone just held a young baby for a minute or two, it would solve most of the world's problems?

37:20Brett Cooper:I think so. It solved a lot of problems in my life, just being with my son. And it's so funny seeing videos like that, because it is, you know, biology at work. There will always be women who choose not to have children, but there is something that is so biological about a woman holding a baby and feeling that connection, even with men, too. It has been such a special experience watching some of the young men in my family's life, like my brother-in-laws, like them holding our son. And they aren't married. They aren't close to having kids yet. But having that connection and watching that transform from the first day that they held it to being so uncomfortable and like, oh, I'm going to break this baby.

37:57Brett Cooper:I don't know what to do. to, you know, fast forward many months, they just, you know, salivate over seeing him and are so excited to, you know, hold him and play with him. And it's so natural. And watching that change within them is really special. So yeah, I mean, it is, I knew that I always wanted to be a mom. I knew that that was going to be, you know, the most important thing that I ever do in my life. It was the thing that I was most excited about, but that actually happening and seeing it, you know, transform things in my life and my husband's life and our family's life and our friends, it's just very special.

38:28Brett Cooper:And it reiterates the point to me that I think having children is not only a wonderful thing to do just for you and for fulfillment, but it's also a very, like objectively it is a hopeful and positive thing because you were saying, I, you know, I'm trusting enough in our world. I am hopeful that, you know, infrastructure and a good society and a country will still be here for you. And I am going to fight for you. And it's just, and objectively is a very joyful, um, hopeful thing. So yeah, it has been a wonderful experience for us.

38:56Piers Morgan:I always say, and I remember all my kids, I've got four kids, I remember them all being born, but the first time, I always think that moment when you take your first baby home and you open the door to your house and you walk in and you've got this tiny little thing, and you suddenly realise it's all on you. You've left the hospital, you've left all the care. For most people, it's all on you, and this little thing is reliant on you for absolutely everything. And then you realise, I mean, my oldest boy is like 32, right? You never stop feeling that about your kids. And it changes you irrevocably, in a great way.

39:36Piers Morgan:It just changes you irrevocably because you ultimately stop being so selfish because these little things, they're relying on you for everything. And they never stop that. And that's the wonder of life, I think. Brett, it's lovely to talk to you. Come back again soon. I really enjoyed it.

39:54Brett Cooper:Good to see you. Thanks for having me.

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40:26Thank you.