"They Are GRIFTERS!" Harry & Meghan Australia Tour a Step Too Far? | Plus Josh Duhamel Interview

21:03Piers Morgan:Well, it's like them using the kids in their social media posts, right? On the one hand, they just want absolute privacy for their children. On the other, they've started using them more and more in social media posts. Why? Because she's going to be moving into the mummy influencer space, I would imagine. All right, you're chomping at the bit. Yeah, I just, I feel very frustrated because you three are far more out there and present than I am as royalists, people who really believe in Britain's constitutional monarchy. And I sort of apologetically say... I think you'll find me quite indifferent and quite sort of like a live and let live, but I'll call it when I see it.

21:34OK, well, certainly I'm going to place Kay and Piers in that royalist category. And I always go, slightly apologise to my lefty friends. You know, I am actually a monarchist. I do believe in them. And I think you two are so blinded by love for this monarchy and your very narrow vision of it. And I speak more to peers here that you don't recognize the real power of monarchy when it acts as a national and an international glue. Something beyond the impunity of revolting strongmen like Trump and the crazy woke world that talks us into very narrow alienating corners. And actually, if the king could offer a redemptive branch forgiveness, which you're incapable of.

22:12I mean, the fact you go through the litany of Harry's crimes, literally like he was... I can forgive. You've got a list. No, you can't forgive. I've actually resolved... You're billions.

22:20Piers Morgan:Every feud I've ever had, I've resolved. But you are still... I think you're up at night stroking. Set with Harry and Meghan. No, I've actually said recently, I haven't mentioned them for ages. I don't really talk about them. But the fact it's all in there. I haven't posted about them. I'm not interested. They're boring. Have you had therapy about this? Yeah, I've been working on my Sussex stuff. From Sussex, where I've actually been, as opposed to the Duke and Duchess of... He needs help. But, Tessa, in fairness, your favourite Harry is not bad with a grudge either. But Harry's trying to work it through.

22:50He's trying to flush out people like Piers. He talks about it openly. He went and did some mansplaining in Australia. He's not a perfect vessel. You know, I don't have a great pin-up kind of thing going on for Harry like you do for the King and for William and Kate. They're all flawed. They're all human beings. But you must all see, if Harry could come over and have a lovely big hug with Daddy. There's a problem.

23:13Piers Morgan:It's because Daddy doesn't trust him. That's why. But Daddy's king. Daddy's redeemer. Every time Daddy gives him a little hug, he has to read about it or hear about it later on. Let's bring in Grant Harreld, a former butler, of course, to the then Prince Charles, now King Charles. Grant, welcome to Uncensored. So, look, competing views here, obviously. Tessa flying the flag very strongly. This is a great thing to have Meghan and Harry out there as the rival royal family. Everyone wins in this. I mean, the monarchy is in half, the royal family are in half. Nobody really agrees with this apart from Tesla.

23:45Piers Morgan:But what is your view from within? I mean, how damaging potentially is it to have these two on a global stage doing these kind of tours? Look, Piazoli, ladies. Basically, I think it's very damaging. I mean, Katie made a really good point that watching the footage, as we all have, it looks just like a royal tour. I mean, it is literally like watching a royal tour. and all that's going through my head is one, have they run this past the palace? Has he discussed this with his father? Which I doubt it. I doubt he's run it past the palace. And it's damaging because it's having these, with the greatest respect, having them do their own thing, which they're entitled to do.

24:21Of course they're entitled to do this. But there is the risk that anything they do that go wrong will reflect on the monarchy. I mean, Piers, we are told as even staff members that when you join the royal household, from that day onwards, for the rest of your life, basically, everything you say and do, even when you've left, reflects on the Royal Family. And I think from experience that's true. So as members of the Royal Family, it's the same for them. They've left the Royal Family, they were going off to do something different, they've gone back into this royal way of life, if you like, and watching it, it is like watching a royal tour.

24:53So, and the other thing that's changed is that they're making money, I think I'm right in saying this from what I'm reading, they've been making money off this, obviously from the tickets. And I saw something today about Meghan's now got something going on with selling clothes or celebrity lookalike clothes or something that she wore the other day. And I'm assuming this is money that's going back into their pockets, not into a charity, which is what the king, just for anyone who says, the king, of course, sometimes gets money for different things. But that goes straight back in to his charities.

25:21So I'm curious to know if that's what they're doing with the money that they're making. Just a quick question here. Surely it's better that they overtly, openly say, we're going to Australia, partly it's philanthropic and partly it's for personal business reasons, than to be trying to sort of suck money off weirdos in America like the House of York did for years behind our backs. Little did we know that Fergie and Andrew were silently detonating the royal brand because they were so desperate for more cash. Surely what Harry and Meghan are doing, that outside the royal family, they're free to behave as they want to behave.

25:52Piers Morgan:Is there anything they could do where you would even raise a disapproving tut? Retrospectively, I think that Harry probably regrets. I'm sure he regrets, actually, because he no longer demands an apology. He regrets the way in which he levelled at his family. The fact he clearly now wants back in, he misses Palestinians, he intonates that he's keen for some kind of reunion. Do you know who he reminds me of? He reminds me of Brooklyn Beckham, right? impression of both of them, I have three sons, is if one of my sons pulled one of these stunts where they go off and they love the brand and they make tons of money and get social media acclaim out of my name, but then they simultaneously trash me and trash my family, I would be absolutely spitting blood about it.

26:43Piers Morgan:And I see the same kind of spoiled sense of entitlement from both of them. And I think it's very sad for all the families. I think that's obvious to everybody. But Joe, when it comes to how this moves forward, Charles goes to the United States. Big, big deal, this trip. But what happens to the royal family five, ten years down? The thing that worries me a bit is that young people, my kids, aren't that interested. They're just not that interested. My mother, absolutely all over for every tiny detail. But the younger generation are not that engaged. I do worry about where it goes from here and I can see why people are saying that this is a make-or-break trip because, you know, coming from Australia, coming from the colonies, as a young person, I was indifferent about the royal family.

27:31And it's only in my latter years that I've come to understand and really respect the soft power that the monarchy can bring. And particularly in inflammatory times like we have now, we're really hoping that King Charles will sort of like have an elegant way of keeping that special relationship going. Exactly.

27:48Piers Morgan:Very gentle hand on Matilda. The Queen only made four public statements, right? I mean, about anything to do with news events. Well, indeed, and, you know, one of those was in sort of like the Annus Horribilis of 1992, where it was a very dark year for the royals, and they kind of had to make some concessions. She started sort of like talking about paying tax and all those things. I feel like this might be another watershed moment where something has to happen where they show a bit more overt contrition. And I think the more we go down that route, the more I worry they lose their soft power. I was in Oslo last year, a beautiful place, walking around the palace.

28:25They used to have an English queen. But they're not as globally renowned, they're not as globally revered and as sort of, like, mythological as the British royal family. And I worry that we'll lose that, and with it, all the diplomacy powers.

28:38Piers Morgan:Well, yeah, so this brings me to William and Kate, right, who are clearly the biggest stars of the royal family. That's what all the polls show. They're the next king and queen of this country. Enormous pressure, isn't there, Katie, on these two? It is, of course. It's a huge pressure. And she's still recovering from cancer. We don't know if she's really completely out of the woods with that. Well, you know, you're not out of the woods for a while, as I very well know. And I think she's doing a remarkable job. But I just think if I was William and Catherine watching this tour, I mean, I would be furious, because I would think, how can you...

29:11This was the whole point of the Sandringham Summit. You can't have your cake and eat it. It's one or the other.

29:15Piers Morgan:Well, as the Queen famously said, you're either in or you're out. You're in or out. Hang on, sorry, Tessa. One minute, one minute. They have had their opportunity to make their money, millions through Netflix, through Spare, through everything else. If they had gone, I don't know, actually gone to Lesotho and done something to reprise that charity or the work they were doing, if it was purely philanthropic, I wouldn't have an issue with it. I think what they're doing is cheap. I think what they're doing is threatening and potentially overshadows the royals because what it leads to is that discourse across the Atlantic, which is happening now.

29:48Well, why do you need a royal family? If they're going to be doing this sort of thing, why do you need them? And then you've got William and Catherine desperately trying to ensure that there is longevity through William, through George. I mean, William will not have the monarchy die out, but he has a battle to fight because there is apathy and apathy is dangerous for them.

30:07Piers Morgan:Apathy is the absolute number one enemy of the royal family. Let me bring Danica back in here. How excited would Australia be about a visit from William and Kate now? Oh, Australia would love a visit from William and Kate. Look, because William and Kate remind us of the late Queen, Australia was very, very fond of Queen Elizabeth II. We loved her visits as well as we loved the royal family. they would be treated with so much respect if they came down under and we'd love to see them. But I just want to go to Tessa's point earlier, Tessa. You said that, you know, maybe Harry regrets this. I don't think Harry regrets this at all because today he went to a fatherhood function.

30:50It was a Q &A function, right? And he said, quote, he had to cleanse himself from his past. He then went on to say that he couldn't connect with Meghan while she was pregnant with Archie. and then he went on to talk about his ongoing therapy sessions. This is a guy who every time he is given a microphone, he is obsessed with talking about himself, he's obsessed with his woe-is-me sob stories. To me, this is not a man who has regrets about leaving the family. Do you know what?

31:20Piers Morgan:He never looks happy to me. This is a guy that left the country and the royal family and royal duty and everything else because he wanted to be happy. and she looks absolutely joyful, right? She's living there, making her jam in her California mansion, flouncing around the world as a pseudo-princess. Great. This is happy days when someone used to be the suitcase girl on Deal or No Deal. But for him, for him, when do you... You only see him smile. He lives so miserable. He is the Brooklyn Beckham of the scenario. They just seem miserable. The better of them. He doesn't smile and he doesn't smile.

31:58And I will say this. You know, he's good when he talks about the Invictus Games. And that's what he was doing today. He was talking about that. And I think fantastic. That is a very great charity. But you look over at Megan and she's the complete opposite. She's beaming at the moment because, you know, to the point that was made earlier, she's profiting off the clothing she's wearing. She's got a$1 ,200 dress on. She's got her Christian Dior pumps on. She's got the Cartier bracelets, the Tiffany bracelets. She's put it all onto her online AI platform. So she's going to these women's homeless shelters wearing these outfits and profiting of it.

32:31So you can see where the disparity is between the people.

32:33Piers Morgan:I would say her biggest problem from the start has just been the tone deafness, just not really getting it. But I don't understand why you all have such an issue with this. They are not recipients of the sovereign grant. Maybe Australia had to wheel out a couple of sleepy old policemen and women. Big deal, guys. Look at the exposure you're getting. The world's cameras are running round down under, placing you here, there and everywhere. You're all prophesying of Harry and Meghan. Yes. Tessa, Tessa, how are Harry and Meghan representing this country right now? OK, we are in the middle of a cost-of-living crisis and a fuel crisis here right now, and we are supposed to fork out money for these two on a quasi-royal tour when they are no longer working royals.

33:19Why should we be paying for their security and their policing? It's not up to us to be paying for that. If they want to come here, they can do whatever the heck they want. Let me put it like this. Private citizens. All over. For those old school people who still watch telly and read newspapers and indeed those who go online, you guys are plastered all over the place. Sunny Australia, Melbourne, dressed in its finest, looking great. And we're clocking in, checking out what's going on in Sydney because there's a couple called Harry and Meghan down under. You're winning. They're winning. And these guys are very sour because Britain is losing out.

33:53And I'm sour because I wish that the king could just go, look, Harry, here's a love hug. We forgive, we forget. Can't we do that?

34:01Piers Morgan:I would actually be really happy for him to hug you. I don't think you would bring him any pleasure or joy. Harry hug me. I'm happy to take any hugs. It would just be a really, really cringe-making moment for everybody to observe. Let me bring Grant back in. Grant, this whole issue of whether Charles can forgive, can forget about what Harry's done to the family, he's barely seen him now in the last few years. how do you feel that's going to reconcile? You know Charles as well as anybody how does this play out? And Piers you also I think know what he's like as a character and he's a very kind individual and he is forgiven absolutely forgiven and I can't remember if you made the comment earlier on but one of you made the comment about how Wayne will be more the one that will be wanting to do the cut, you know want to kind of end things and move on.

34:50The king the kind of nature and the way he is he will want to fix it and he will so many times he'll give chances to fix it and I think this is what's difficult because Harry is can I say with the greatest respect is a bit of a loose cannon and that is what all the advisors will be saying to the king I can guarantee it but the king being the nature he is will want to forgive him and will want to try to make it work you know that's what he'll want probably more than anything but what point you know how long can he do this for and that's where I feel sorry for him as well because you know every time you keep giving him another a chance and you must be sitting here thinking am I going to get stabbed in the back again am I going to regret this but yet it keeps doing it with William being a bit more I suppose a bit more forthright and he's probably saying you know dad we have you have to move on from this you have to end it so the king's caught in a in the middle of this and it's really difficult with everything else going on in his life you know it's really difficult so I do feel for him and I think you know I think the point will get will come when he will stop he will listen to the advisors or listen to women and stop.

35:48But I think at the moment, just now, I think he is still trying to see if he can fix this with Harry.

35:54Piers Morgan:Yeah, we'll see. I mean, God, I would find it almost impossible, I have to say. But if I'd been branded a callous racist by one of my kids with no evidence, I think that would be a bit of a deal-breaker. A bit of an off-the-will moment, as I've told them. OK, we've got to have a little announcement to make at the end of this, which is that, for any of you watching this who are enthralled by the brilliance of at least some members of our panel today. We are announcing an offshoot of the Uncensored brand. It's going to be called Royals Uncensored with our two wonderful hosts here, Katie and Joe.

36:33Piers Morgan:And Grant is going to be a regular as well on Royals Uncensored. It's going to be more of what you've just seen. It's going to be debate, revelation, intrigue, skullduggery. I'm sure we'll have Danica as well joining us from time to time. And lots of gossip. And lots of gossip. And we may even have Tessa back as a kind of... Oh, that's so graceful of you, Piers. ...as a kind of devil incarnate to defend the indefensible, because I always like having Tessa, even when she calls me Neanderthal. You've never actually had me, just to be really clear here. Sorry. Thank you. That is true. But it's going to be called Roars Uncensored.

37:07Piers Morgan:There'll be a whole new channel. There'll be a lot of appearances also on my channel as well. It's part of the way we are rolling out and developing the uncensored brand around the world. I think it's going to be great. I think you guys are going to be great. And will you come and see us sometimes? Of course. We won't be able to keep him away. I love the royals. I make no pretence about it. My big issue with the whole Heron Megan thing is I came from a family where my mum camped on the Mall by Bucky and Paulist for both Fergie and Andrew's wedding and for Charles and Diana's. We used to have royal street parties in our village.

37:41Piers Morgan:I can remember them now for the Silver Jubilee and all the rest of it. And it's been a big thing, you know. And I think that it's tragic to see the damage that's been done. A lot of it's self-inflicted, a lot of it from people who've left and then want to keep whacking them. It's just... I want to save it. I want the royal family to survive and thrive. Yeah. It is at a moment in crisis, though, and I think that is something Joe and I are really going to explore. I mean, I've done this for nearly 20 years now. Never, ever have I been at a point where it feels so precarious. It feels vulnerable and it's...

38:12Well, we've got a ringside seat, I think, to history being made. 100%. And I think you guys...

38:17Piers Morgan:It's going to be a fantastic channel. It'll start... When's the launch? 30th of April. 30th of April. I will actually be in New York City that day because the day before you'll have Charles and Camilla coming to New York, actually. They're going to go to the 9-11 Memorial and do some other things. They're going to Harlem, I think, I read today. It's going to be a great trip. I think it'll be just what everybody needs in the Royal Family. There'll be no paid-for ticketed events either. Access is free. Perfect. Well, good luck to both of you. It's going to be great. Tessa, lovely to see you, he says, lying through his back teeth.

38:48Piers Morgan:Danica, thank you very much for joining us from Sky News Australia. Of course, used to work there as well. Love all the people over there. And thank you to Grant as well. Look forward to seeing you regularly on Royals Uncensored as well, which obviously now goes along with History Uncensored. The two will sometimes go hand in hand. But thank you all very much indeed. I appreciate it. Finally tonight, I'm glad to be joined by the actor and star of his latest film, Preschool, Josh Duhamel. Josh, welcome to Uncensored. Piers, nice to meet you finally. Do you have a burning view about the royal family, Josh?

39:25Not really, no. No. I mean, they're never without some exciting stuff going on, but, yeah, I've never really followed it too closely.

39:34Piers Morgan:I mean, you're celebrating the 250th anniversary winning independence from we Brits. I don't celebrate it with quite such glee. I don't quite like the idea of ruling over you for hundreds more years with a British monarch telling you all what to do. What do you feel about that anniversary? I'm excited about it. I mean, I think it's a huge deal. You know, I'm a proud American. I love that, you know, we're celebrating it like we are. I'm actually going to go back to North Dakota for the Theater Roosevelt Presidential Museum, which is on the 4th of July. Oh, really? Which I'm excited to celebrate, yeah.

40:14Piers Morgan:What do you feel about the state of America right now? To the rest of the world, it feels febrile. It feels very divided. It feels quite toxic in many ways. What do you feel about it?

40:28You know, I got a lot of feelings about it, if I'm being honest. It stresses me out quite a bit, because, you know, we are very divided. I think more than anything, there's a hate problem in this country. I feel like people have become really okay with hate. And what I've realized is that when you're so full of that, you start to become the thing that you despise. And I've recognized a lot of behavior in people that I don't believe would otherwise behave like that if they weren't filled with so much of that. So I just feel, you know, for me, personally, I found myself starting to feel some of that stuff, so I really kind of left it all alone and started going to church more often, believe it or not.

41:14Really? I started trying to rise above it a bit and just get back to church and just pray and meditate and sort of think about things that are above all the noise.

41:24Piers Morgan:Are you a fan of President Trump? I'm not getting into all that with you, Piers. I can't do that. YEAH, I AM TALKING ABOUT IT. LISTEN, A FRIEND OF MINE SHOWED UP WITH A T-SHIRT THAT SAID, NOBODY CARES WHAT ACTORS THINK. AND I HAPPEN TO BUY THAT NOTION. I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE, PEOPLE DON'T CARE WHAT I THINK. I'M HERE TO MAKE COOL TV SHOWS, COOL MOVIES. I'M NOT TRYING TO DIVIDE MY AUDIENCE. I'M TRYING TO BE OF SERVICE TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, be entertained. And it's not my job to be involved in politics. Gloriously refreshing, Josh, I have to say to hear someone from Hollywood say that, because so many have, and I say this with great respect, I know lots of people in Hollywood, have a lot of time for lots of them, but some have a massively inflated sense of their own importance when it comes to talking of matters in the news or politics or whatever.

42:24Here's the thing, Pierce, just because you have a platform doesn't mean you get to preach down to people.

42:28Piers Morgan:Yeah. You know? So I try to stay out of that as much as I can. Because, listen, I respect the other side's views. Whether or not they respect mine is not my business. But I'm certainly not going to go piss off the other half of my audience because I believe in a certain type of way. Not just because out of responsibility to the people who helped me make these movies and TV shows, the financiers, the studios, they expect me to go out and sell, make a great product and then go sell it and not piss off half my audience. And that's the way I look at it. You've just been filming this film Preschool in London.

43:11Piers Morgan:It's about an American expat living in London, fighting over a prestigious preschool. Did you come round to my way of thinking that London is the greatest city in the world? I love London. I've always loved London. It's one of my favourite cities in the world uh yes and we shot a movie called preschool there that i directed it was early last year about two dads trying to fight trying to fighting to get their kids in their their kid into this last spot in this preschool and you know i just thought that it was one of those movies that i couldn't believe hadn't been made because it's uh it's so ripe with opportunity uh and comedy and and uh you know relatability in a lot of ways so uh we had a lot of fun making that movie as you You know, there's a very deep pool of talent in the UK.

43:57And so I got very lucky with some really, really talented cast and crew.

44:02Piers Morgan:When Americans come over, they always ask me, what should we do? Give me some advice. And actually, I had one yesterday ask me, I said, you know what? The weather's nice. Just start walking from, like, the start of Hyde Park and walk through the parks. Walk through past the Serpentine Lake. walk on to Kensington Gardens, Kensington Palace, the Round Pond, Holland Park, then divert up, go up to Notting Hill, go down Portobello Market. It's the simple things, actually, that I sell about London, is that we have these beautiful parks and beautiful lakes and beautiful walkways. It's that kind of stuff that, for me, when I lived in America pretty much full-time for a few years when I was at CNN, it was that stuff I miss most, funnily enough.

44:47Yeah, yeah, I think that, you know, anytime you can connect with nature like that, even in London, you know, big cities need these spaces, too. This is part of the reason why I moved out to move back to North Dakota and spent a lot of time at our cabin in Minnesota, because it was a way for me to sort of disconnect from the world and just reconnect with nature. And there's a sense of freedom and independence out there that you just can't get anywhere else.

45:15Piers Morgan:And did you get into our football, soccer as you call it? Because the reason I'm asking is I've got to go right now and watch my team, Arsenal, play in a massive game at the Emirates Stadium tonight. Did you become an Arsenal fan while you were here, Josh? I actually did, believe it or not. You did? I took my son to an Arsenal game. They played West Ham. They lost, unfortunately. But, yeah, we got to – you know, I'd never been to a Premier League game before, so that was huge. You got to really see what it is that they love so much about that sport. So my son's a huge soccer fan, football fan.

45:49And so, yeah, we got to see Arsenal.

45:51Piers Morgan:Well, it's a massive game tonight. It's the quarterfinal of the Champions League. We're also top of the Premier League. We have a massive game on Sunday against Manchester City. We could end up winning the two most coveted prizes in world football, or it could all go horribly wrong. That is football. Well, I'm rooting for you, Piers. Well, thank you, Josh, and I'm rooting for you with your movie, Preschool. Best of luck with it. Thanks for joining me. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

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