"They HATE America!" Trump Halts ‘Third World’ Migrants After Afghan Shooting

19:54Piers Morgan:Let me start with you, Nadine. Welcome back to Uncensored. Obviously, this is a despicable act of terrorism against two members of the National Guard and has rightly caused outrage. At the same time, there are calls for now every Afghan that was brought to the United States, many of whom risked their own lives during the war to fight against the Taliban, to now be deported back to Afghanistan where they could meet possible death at the hands of the Taliban they fought. So this is a complicated issue. What is your view about what has happened here? I mean, as you mentioned, I believe in the previous segment, the shooter previously served in one of the US-backed paramilitary units in Afghanistan that's been funded by the CIA.

20:42So I think if the US had never invaded or occupied Afghanistan and never built or armed proxy forces, the shooter or someone like him wouldn't have ended up here, you know, committing the act that he did. So, you know, this is constant blowback. And we see this time and time. Well, you could go back further, though, couldn't you?

21:00Piers Morgan:If you were being reasonable about it, you could go back to if Osama bin Laden hadn't ordered the terror attacks on the World Trade Center that killed nearly 3 ,000 people, then it wouldn't have been necessary for U.S. forces to go into the country that had been harboring him. But who funded al-Qaeda? Well, again, you can go back as long as you want. But I think to put it in context, obviously the reason that the United States were fighting in Afghanistan was as a response to 9-11. So that is the context. December is Heart Awareness Month, which makes you think differently about the busy holidays.

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22:14Piers Morgan:All with one dose a day to improve stamina, heart, health and vitality, all without caffeine or stimulants. Try Blood Flow-7 today and feel the difference where it matters most, inside your veins. Visit bloodflow7.com slash uncensored and get 30 % off your Blood Flow 7 order today. I mean, at the end of the day, Afghanistan, the people of Afghanistan, weren't guilty for 9-11. It's these constant wars. It's these constant attempts at regime change. It's the creation of refugees, the destabilization of the Middle East that's constantly going to create this scenario at the end of the day. I mean, and the fact that the National Guard shouldn't have been in D.C.

22:59to begin with. I mean, Sarah, the woman who was shot, had told her boyfriend that she felt like being there was pointless. You know, it's really a show of force to distract from multiple things that Trump ran on and failed on. He ran on affordability. He ran on ending foreign wars. Yet they're trying to enact regime change in Iran and Venezuela. They're continuing to arm genocide and Gaza continuing to arm the bombing of Lebanon. And at the end of the day, this is, you know, going to create blowback where people in the U.S. are going to pay the price. People around the world, innocent people around the world are going to pay the price, whether with their tax dollars, with their lives, with the decline of the economy.

23:41And this is all a distraction at the end of the day. They're scapegoating immigrants instead of looking at the real root of the problem, which is U.S. imperialism, wreaking havoc, pillaging people around the world and not caring, not doing anything to solve these issues here. I mean, like you also mentioned in the previous segment, how many U.S. veterans come back and commit violence at home? You know, so I don't think it's an isolated incident. And they just want to use what happened in D.C. to scapegoat all immigrants instead of looking at the real cause of the issue. The war hawks and neocons in Washington, the architects of occupation and regime change in Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela, creating the instability that forces people to flee.

24:27I mean, you know, one minute they're calling people, HTS and other groups in Syria, terrorists. The other minute they're meeting with them, then they're funding them. You know, it's all political convenience.

24:37Piers Morgan:All right. Vinny and Shana, your response to that? Well, first of all, saying that, oh, if he wasn't, if Sarah wasn't in Washington dressed in uniform, she wouldn't get shot. It's complete bullshit. Because guess what? If it wasn't her, you don't think this Afghani terrorist would have found somebody else to shoot, just a regular person? And I'm going to go back, Piers. This all goes down. And as my veteran brother will attest, the most abysmal withdrawal, Afghanistan. We can talk about why we're there. And I'll agree with you on 9-11 and all that was complete BS. Everything that followed 9-11 with the illegal war.

25:14But how do you bomb a country for 20 years and then Biden with Alejandro Mayorkas, you let in 80 ,000 people, no documentation. You can't vet them. There's no paperwork on them. And what do you expect for them to do while they're here? And that's exactly what what happened. OK, you can't assume that these people are going to love America. They hate America, Piers. They absolutely hate America. And there needs to be accountability for Mayorkas and the entire administration for letting these people in. On top of Afghanistan, what about our border? There's two million getaways, Piers. That's the freaking population of Nebraska.

25:51We don't know who they are. We don't know what their intentions are. And these people hate America, Piers, plain and simple. There's no paperwork. There's no nothing. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. This is just the tip of the iceberg. What this guy gets to Sarah, God rest her soul, it's not going to stop. just like she just said, it's going to keep happening. It's going to keep getting worse. And Trump has no other choice. Pierce, it's funny how everybody blames Trump because this is the situation he's been giving. But nobody, nobody on the left wants to blame Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas.

26:21Why is that? Why is that? I'm just curious.

26:23Piers Morgan:Okay. Anybody explain that to me? Well, let me bring Matt Tadio in. You're a former U.S. Army Special Forces soldier. You served in Afghanistan. First of all, it seems to me that the crux of this problem has been a catastrophic failure, both in the withdrawal that we all watched in horror on television, the way that was carried out, which involves a lot of deaths at the time. There was a sense of a duty of care to many Afghanis who had served alongside US forces and UK forces and others to preserve their safety from the Taliban they had been attacking, which made perfect sense. But there's also been a systematic failure, it seems, of vetting, with many people who were brought back to the United States not being properly vetted, not even having face-to-face interviews.

27:11Piers Morgan:So the whole thing seems to have been incredibly badly handled. What is your view here about, first of all, what happened with these two National Guardsmen and what this Afghani retired soldier had done? Yeah, what happened to the two National Guardsmen was clearly an act of terror. 100%, make no mistake about it, it was an act of terror. And just because he ended up serving with U.S. forces over inside of Afghanistan for a period of time doesn't ensure that he is not going to commit acts of terror. At one point in time over in Afghanistan for a very long period of time, we ended up having something called the Guardian Angel Program, where we would have to have soldiers dedicated to watching our backs at all times 24-7 to make sure we weren't getting shot in the back.

27:53These were known as green on blue incidents. They were profound. They were happening all the time. One of our officers ended up getting shot in the head while he was on a Skype call with his wife. Right. The guy ended up walking in to the place where he was making this phone call and shot him right in the back of the head. Right. This is this is not an isolated incident, seeing things like this happen. And it's also not the only time. All right. And we are not painting all Afghans this way. I was talking to a man who I signed his S.I.B. paperwork to come into the United States of America that I know is a good, honest, hard loving, hardworking citizen.

28:22A lot of these people have done more for the United States of America than most Americans. However, comma, that doesn't take away from the fact that they were not vetted and that we did have terrorists come into this country. Joe Kent, Joe Kent went before Congress and testified and stated that we've had thousands, thousands of known terrorist affiliated Afghans come into the United States of America because they were not vetted. I have interviewed the soldiers and Marines who are on the ground at HKIA over in Kabul. And they will tell you that they weren't even given proper training on the paperwork that they should have been screening before they were coming on the base.

28:56And then you had members from the Department of State that would walk up to them and tell them, forget about the paperwork or add different things going on to it. It was an absolute joke. And so, yes, we do need to make sure we're going through and we do need to make sure that we're properly vetting these people. It's not an attack on the Muslim community. It's just a fact. The U.S. isn't destabilizing the Middle East.

29:13Piers Morgan:You've given some fascinating background there and some colour to it, but you've also highlighted, I guess, the problem here and how it gets dealt with in terms of going forward. Right. Because there are clearly some Afghan people that were brought back from the war that you believe are good, decent people who served America's interests at great personal risk to their own lives. That's right. I presume you would feel that there's a duty of care to and that they should be allowed to stay. So how do you determine who stays and who is thrown out? By doing the proper due diligence. People that got on the airplane that had photocopies of somebody else's paperwork have absolutely no business being in the United States of America.

29:56And unfortunately, because of Joe Biden, we have to go back and check all of this paperwork to make sure the right people are here in this country. I spoke to one of those Afghans just the other day who's here living in the United States of America. And he's just as pissed off as everybody else in the country because these jihadists are wrecking the United States and are trying to kill Americans. Over inside of Fort Worth, Texas, there was a terror attack that just got thwarted by DPS authorities over outside of Texas. Last year in November, there was two Afghan ISIS-affiliated terrorists that got arrested that were going to plan an election day shooting terror attack.

30:29They bought hundreds of rounds of ammunition and two AK-47s from an informant. And so again, they just got busted and they got sentenced last week. Now, Trump came out on, what was it, Friday. And he said on Friday that we're going to be looking over everybody else's paperwork. And then all of a sudden, this terror attack ends up happening, right? So it was a Friday before the terror attack. Trump had came out and said that. And it was two days after the sentencing for one of those terrorists. This is not an isolated incident. It's 100 % the fault of the vetting of what took place on the ground.

30:59And Pierce, not just me, not just me, but tons of my brothers ended up getting signal messages during the Afghan withdrawal telling us that we'd get paid thousands of dollars if we had an active passport and we could get our butts to the East Coast. That's how piss poor this operation was planned. And so to sit here and pretend like people hanging off the side of a C-17 and falling to their death was somehow a great operation and we managed to properly vet everybody is a joke. It's an absolute joke. Even May Orkis admitted in a separate interview with Lindsey Graham for a congressional inquiry.

31:28Even he admitted there is no way that he can 100 % state that we have vetted 100 % of these people. Not properly vetted, just vetted. It just didn't happen. It didn't occur.

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33:02Piers Morgan:Clear red flags being put up here, but may have been going. We just don't know. I don't want to suppose what it was. But it may have been that he was just going through a severe PTSD-style reaction to his warfare, whatever, and then went crazy and commits this terrible act. But no amount of vetting, I don't know if he was vetted or not yet, but no amount of vetting would pick up that. Do you think there's also a failure of duty of care ongoing with veterans of all kinds, whether they're US citizens or foreign nationals who serve with the US military brought back to the United States? Yeah, you know, I think there is a real misconception on what PTSD is and how it actually works.

33:45I'm a huge PTSD advocate for our veterans. And I do think that there needs to be a hell of a lot more care that gets poured into our veterans. At the same time, using PTSD as an excuse doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Why would he go target two U.S. service members if he was having problems with PTSD after disappearing for several months? Because he was fighting side by side with them. He wouldn't certainly go shoot them in the head, right? So you think he got radicalized? We have had. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. A hundred percent. You know, we know that probably he got out around 2017, 2018 estimated right now until we get all the paperwork that ends up coming out.

34:18So you have a big time gap right there, right? A huge time gap. Now, those guys over inside of Oklahoma that ended up getting elected last year for the Election Day plot, they were also here on SIVs. Some of them allegedly didn't have proper paperwork when they came to the country. Biden administration ends up grinning to them anyways. Now, at the same time over in Afghanistan, 2016, 17, 18, we got really hot and heavy into the war against ISIS-K. Right. How Nadine ended up saying that, listen, the Taliban aren't the people of Afghanistan. That's a lie. I hate to tell you that, but it's a lie.

34:47The Taliban quite literally are the people of Afghanistan. Unless you're talking about the Pakistani Taliban, then it's a different story. But then we can go into history and we can talk about the border issues that ended up happening with a drunk British officer and Russians going into Afghanistan and pushing them across the border. The people inside of Afghanistan, 100 percent, are the Taliban. In 2012, when I was over there, it was very rare to see a Taliban flag flying across the villages. In 2016, 17 and 18, when I was over there, they were everywhere. Pierce, my very last operation, driving off of a target back to the base, there's Taliban flags just flying all throughout these villages.

35:20They have cemeteries with Taliban flags planted, everything. You had police officers, military, everybody that was affiliated with the Taliban in one way, shape, or form. We couldn't even get workers to come onto camp with proper vetting because they also had affiliations with ISIS and the Taliban. It's not a joke. This needs to get looked at. And absolutely, the people that served side by side with US veterans over there have every right, in my opinion, and most veterans opinions to be in this country because they have done more for this country than most Americans. But to sit here and try to claim that we're going after Muslims or that we're going after anybody else is a lie.

35:53Those same Muslims that myself and my brothers invited into this country and signed our name to would stand side by side and vouch for the exact same things that I'm saying, that there is evil in that country and that it is involved within the civilian population and trying to claim otherwise is a freaking lie. And it's doing absolutely nobody any good. And those types of lies are what gets people killed inside of the United States of America. Well, it seems like the U.S. made the problem worse because in your own statement, you said when you first started going into there, you didn't see the Taliban flags.

36:23And then by the time, you know, decades later, you know, it's worse. And it's the destabilization in a power vacuum. let's talk it no it's not destabilization in a power vacuum there's a power vacuum and destabilization that existed before we went there that's just a fact right the taliban ran the country we ended up putting in a government the united states government has absolutely zero business as far as i'm concerned or most veterans are concerned going in and trying to conduct a regime change in any type of country we suck when it comes to nation building our records horrible even if we look at iraq and we talk about what's going on over inside of iraq and i'm trying to pass laws for nine-year-old girls to be able to get married to grown men all right that's not exactly what I would call a huge victory for democracy.

37:00All right. But over inside of Afghanistan, at the moment we pull out, the moment we pull out, we have six-year-old girls getting married off to grown men. 10 % of the girls inside of Afghanistan under the age of 15 end up getting married off. And I think it's an absurd number. It's like 60 % or something like that end up getting married off before they're even 18. And this is their family selling them off to older grown men. And don't even get me started on chai boys. To sit here and pretend I don't know there'll be bad. Hang on, hang on. Hang on, Nadine.

37:32Piers Morgan:I will come back to you. I do want to bring in Destiny. He's been waiting very patiently. Destiny, you posted on X. They, the National Guards, weren't protecting D.C. They couldn't even make arrests. They were sent there to die by Donald Trump and his cronies so they could rile up the base to distract them from the monumental failing of every single part of this administration. Now, people have criticised you for this. because they say it just shouldn't matter whether they were there for legitimate reasons or whether you questioned the politics behind it or whatever. That shouldn't mean that they are a target for terrorists.

38:07The main point is that Donald Trump is using whatever he can to expand his power over the executive, to send more troops to whatever state or district he wants for no other reason than to just antagonise the population. The idea that you can send 1 ,000 National Guardsmen to D.C. or to California, two places where he's currently losing federal cases about his authority to even do this and somehow magically fix all the crime there is the naivety of a 12-year-old. None of what's been said so far about all of the people that were brought here passes any basic sanity test. There were some 77 ,000 people that came from Afghanistan.

38:42The idea that we didn't vet any of them and only one or two extreme instances of any kind of violence or planned violence has happened, it just doesn't pass a basic sanity test. Where are all of the terrorist attacks that should be happening if we really brought over almost 80 ,000 people and didn't vet them at all? Also, the idea that there was no vetting whatsoever is contraindicated by the statements of our own government. Well, nobody's saying there was no vetting. Well, they're not saying there was no vetting. Just to be clear, nobody is saying there was no vetting.

39:10Piers Morgan:But what is crystal clear is that they weren't all vetted. And what is also crystal clear why is that crystal clear some of the people who were brought over have clearly either were radicalized to start with and slipped through the net or have become radicalized since arriving in the u.s that is a danger no idea why this guy shot the two national guards we have no idea why the shooting happened anybody jumping on your nancy mason the two gentlemen on this panel okay then how do you okay then how do you account for the guy last week that was planning on building a car bomb literally talked about putting explosives inside of a car over in fort worth and attacking Americans that were against the Afghans and against the Taliban.

39:48The reason why you haven't seen massive denotes - We're talking about the guy that shot the two National Guardsmen. We have no idea why - No, no, no. We're talking about vetting Afghans. We're talking about vetting Afghans here in the United States of America. You want to talk about that guy. You don't want to talk about the Afghan that was planning on building a car bomb. If you want to talk about responsibility, talk about who negotiated - No, no, no. The topic isn't about that guy. Who is the one who negotiated the pullout from Afghanistan? You're so far off. I'm curious. Who negotiated that plan?

40:12Who negotiated that plan? Tell me. You're so far off. It's not even funny. Who negotiated the plan? Can you even say who negotiated the plan? Yeah, I'll tell you that Donald Trump negotiated the plan, and on congressional record, in November, and this comes from the former Joint Chief of Staff, in November, Donald Trump planned to do the pullout. Then when the Joint Chief went to him and told him, no, no, no, you can't do that because the Taliban's going to take over, Donald Trump immediately resented the order within 24 hours. It was under Joe Biden that he decided to pull out of the country.

40:35That is fact. It's on congressional record. He didn't withdraw that. Go look at the congressional record. You might not like it, Destiny, but it's a fact. Yes, the Doha agreement was on it. The Doha agreement was on there. The Doha agreement was done by Trump. Then the Taliban violated the Doha agreement, so we weren't going to pull out. That's why Joe Biden fell in in the situation that he did. Now, you might not like facts, Destiny, because they go against your narrative, but they're facts. And it's congressional record. Hang on. Hang on. Okay, let me jump in. Let me jump in.

41:04Piers Morgan:Let me jump in. Look, what is inarguable is that when the withdrawal happened, the president was Joe Biden, and he had been for many months. It was on his... Who granted the shooter asylum? Who granted the shooter the two-day guard that asylum? He could have ripped up any plans if he wanted to. He went ahead with that plan and it was a total fiasco. And we all watched it on live television. Let's not try and let Biden off the hook. He can blame Trump if he wants. We're not letting Biden off the hook right now, Piers. I don't know what year you guys are over in the UK. Donald Trump is the president right now.

41:37Piers Morgan:I'd like to hold presidents for account for what happens on their watch. I think it's a fair thing to do. And this shooting happened on Trump's watch. Yes? The shooting right now happened on Trump's watch. Yes, he did. So the question then becomes - The question then becomes - Prior to that, he said we need to - In the week prior to the shooting, he said we need to go through and re-vet everybody. Didn't he? Didn't he not? Didn't you just say there was no paperwork? Didn't he just say that we needed to go through and re-vet them? When you said there was no paperwork - That's exactly how you re-vet them.

42:04I said that they have photocopies of paperwork, and that comes from testimony of Marines and soldiers that were on the ground saying that they were photocopying paperwork and that members from the Department of State would go up to the soldiers that were on the ground screening the paperwork and at times told them don't even worry about it because it's all screwed up at this point. That's what ended up happening. Again, you might not like facts, Destiny, but they go against directly what you want. There's over 100 ,000. If there are 80 ,000 of them, 100 ,000, 70 ,000 I saw brought in under this particular program.

42:33Why would you not want them all vetted, Destiny? Destiny, why would you not want them all vetted? A vehicle-borne IED. Are you not going to just acknowledge the fact there's a vehicle-borne IED?

42:44Piers Morgan:My question for Destiny is, why would you not want all of them revetted in light of this appalling attack? Because this is security theater. It's a waste of time to say we're going to revet, we're going to reanalyze. It's like when Doge said we're going to save money in the government. A waste of time to see that any more of being radicalized, given they work in... Are you going to revet every single... It doesn't mean anything. What do you mean, revet? What does that even mean? Yes, it does. You check their credentials. to see if they're here on false credentials. And if they are, that raises a massive red flag.

43:10Why would they have been granted entrance into the United States if they were here under false credentials? That doesn't make sense. Destiny,

43:18do you know how the SIV program works, the special immigrant visa program works for these Afghans that were coming here to the United States, what they needed to have paperwork-wise in order to vet them? Yes or no? Yes, I do. Okay, perfect. So guys like me who put my name on an official memorandum and said, this person should be here. Here's my contact information. Now, if somebody sends me an email that says, is this the person you vouched for? And the face looks like somebody else. And I say, no, that's how you properly vet them. There's a lot of different ways you can go about doing it. And when there's multiple copies of the same paperwork for different people that ended up coming into this country, somebody's getting kicked out.

43:54And when we have somebody that plan on conducting a vehicle-borne IED attack in Texas just a couple of days ago that got busted for doing it, you don't think it's important. You would rather watch Americans get blown up and get killed and offend somebody. Please stop with the virtue signaling. You only have so much time. You're making the claim that we could have vetted this stuff before it ever got to the United States. And we're live on match day as Doug reaches for a buffalo wing.

44:21Piers Morgan:He's got it. Oh, and he's gone for a can of Pepsi, too. What a finish. There's no doubt about it. It just tastes better. Match days deserve Pepsi. For this recent shooting, we don't even know what the motivation was. There's no guarantee. This guy had five kids and lived in Washington. What are you vetting for to even know that these guys have been caught by any amount of vetting? We know what the motivation is for the two guys in Oklahoma, and we know what the motivation is for the guy down in Dallas. All Afghans here on SIVs. And what would you have vetted for to catch these guys? Let me bring in Vinny.

44:53I want to bring in Vinny. What would you have vetted for?

44:55Piers Morgan:Let me bring in the others. I want to bring in Vinny. Vinny. Well, I want to say one thing. with all due respect, I'm not going to call a grown man destiny. His name is Steven. So Steven, I mean, Pierce, who are we going to listen to? An actual U.S. soldier who's been there that's been in the shit or a guy that plays Fortnite? You play video games, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. How about this, Steven? How about not let zero of them in here? Zero because we were bombing the shit out of them for 20 years and you can't vet them. He's actually making a good point. You can't vet them because people have different freaking motives.

45:26And out of that 80 ,000, Steven, you're acting like every day they're going to be bombing and everything. Trump's been in for one year. This is the tip of the iceberg. And it's going to keep on happening. Hold on, hold on, Stephen, let me finish. How many people do you need to see if there's a single bad immigrant from any country? Do you ban all of them? Is the standard crime is zero on every immigrant? They might be biding their time. Stephen, they might be biding their time. And I'm sorry, with all due respect, I don't want to listen to any. I don't want to listen to any. Let me finish. Stephen, Stephen, are you the guy that was celebrating the fireman Corey Competeau that was shot?

46:02You were celebrating that he died at Butler. You're the same guy that says conservatives need to be afraid. You're a piece of shit. No, no, no, Stephen. I know exactly who you are. The public needs to know who you are. You're blaming Trump. You're blaming Trump for everything. You guys have nothing to say about it. Listen, Stephen, you are a scumbag. I don't even know why they're listening. Who wants to listen I'm worried you're about to have a heart attack here. On any matter. But guess what? It's the tip of the iceberg. And guess what, Vinny? Let me ask Vinny a question.

46:34Piers Morgan:Vinny, Vinny, here's the problem I have with simply saying don't let any of them in, and if they're all here, throw them all out. A lot of these people, as we've heard from Matt, who served alongside some of them, a lot of them are good, decent people who were properly vetted, who have lived in America now for a number of years with their families, committed no crimes, giving no indication they're going to commit any crimes, are not radicalised. And we all know if they get sent back to Afghanistan and they are identified as people that worked alongside US forces against the Taliban, we may as well execute them before they even get there.

47:11Piers Morgan:Because that is what the fate will be if they get back to Afghanistan. So I feel very uncomfortable, because the same situation applies to people in the UK. I feel very uncomfortable about these interpreters and other service people who may even have fought alongside our troops, who were fighting the Taliban because of this one incident and others. Matt's right, there have been others too, but it's a small number so far that we take thousands of people, many of whom, most of whom, would be completely blameless other than they helped us, and we throw them to the Taliban walls. Would you be comfortable if we suddenly see scenes on television released by the Taliban of them executing all these people who risked their lives for us.

47:57No, I wouldn't feel good, Piers, but you know what? All that aside, I'm an American first, okay? And I don't want one American dying from anybody from another country that we've been bombing, Piers. With all the compassion and that suicidal empathy bullshit doesn't flow with me.

48:13Piers Morgan:Why should anybody, Vini, why should anyone ever help the United States or the UK in a war again in the way that they helped us in that war against the Taliban if we just throw them all to the walls and it leads to them being executed? Nobody would. Piers, guess what? Don't get into these stupid-ass wars then. Will I agree with her? No, I agree with her. Then don't get into these wars, Piers. But at the end of the day, Piers, America first, American lives. While everybody was eating turkey and having a good time, think about that girl's family, Sarah's whole family, grieving and burying their damn daughter.

48:49I'm sorry, Piers. I am so sorry. as a veteran, as a child from legal immigrant parents that came into the right process. I'm sorry. I want that many Americans to die. Can you see that number? Zero. Zero. So we have to take everybody out and re-vet them. And I actually do agree with Stephen, too. How are you going to vet? There's no paperwork. How do you know? You just bring them in and go, oh yeah, I trust you. You love America. No, I'm sorry, Piers. I'm sorry. It's a shitty situation that Trump didn't start. Okay, Nadine, your response to that? How do you feel about the war he's starting in Venezuela right now.

49:21If you want to do no more wars and you've got Donald Trump on the precipice of trying to do regime change in South America. So, Stephen, are those boats fishermen? Are those guys fishing? Now we have the excuses. Hold on, hold on. Is the shooters in the U.S. Okay, Linda Dean speak, please. I was trying to say stay on topic. Linda Dean speak. No, I think one thing that people haven't focused on enough is the fact that violence begets violence. That the violence that the U.S. imperialists take on abroad, will come back to the U.S., whether it's through immigrants or people whose families go back generations in the U.S.

49:59Look at the attempted, the person who attempted to assassinate Donald Trump. Look at the person who assassinated Charlie Kirk. These aren't migrants. These are people who've lived here. So the U.S. continuously being involved in violence abroad has only made this situation worse. And there isn't these types of mass shootings happening all around the world. This is something that we see exclusively happening in the U.S. And instead of that being addressed, mental health being addressed, you know, pulling out of wars across the world, you know, we have ice raids that are basically just a show of force, you know, wreaking havoc on cities like New York City.

50:38An ice raid was thwarted here just a couple of days ago from protesters and then Palestinian activists like Mahsan Mahdawi, like Mahmoud Khalil, being targeted, you know. So at the end of the day, this isn't about...

50:50Piers Morgan:Nadine, do you think that undocumented immigrants in America who commit crimes unconnected to their immigrant status should be deported? I mean, that's not what's been happening, though. They've been going after people... No, no, I know. I know. I have the same concerns about those who have not committed other crimes. But do you think specifically that if they're undocumented and they commit another crime, they should be deported? You know, I think at the end of the day, these things should, you know, play out. It's either yes or no, isn't it? I mean, I just think there is universal agreement pretty much.

51:25I mean, sure, but people are being accused of crimes that they didn't commit, you know. But if they're convicted of a crime. Mahmoud Khalil was accused of a thought crime. If they're convicted of a crime. He was accused of a thought crime.

51:33Piers Morgan:If they're convicted of a crime. He was accused of a thought crime. So I'm not going to say that somebody like Mahmoud Khalil should be deported. right okay but that's the first of all if you're in the united states on a visa screaming globalize the antifada your ass needs deported period end of discussion exactly this is why would you like to because i want to say globalize the antifada is a crime and that's a deportable offense explain what the first and second antifada go ahead explain the first and second antifada and then we'll discuss why they shouldn't live here in the united states i don't care what it means explain what it actually means.

52:07Explain what it actually means. Explain what it actually means. Okay. You want to avoid the question? I'll say it for you. It's twice when Palestinians decided that they would go into Israel and I speak Russian. What's your point? Okay. And I don't care what it means. It's also what it means in context, right? So when a Palestinian calls and claims globalize the Antifada, they don't mean globalize the resistance. They mean go after the oppressors and start killing people. Palestinians also believe, also believe that the land of Palestine is all encompassing of Israel. When you talk about occupation and Hamas, and Hamas is talking about what happened during the second.

52:41And it doesn't matter, they go in and they murder people. So you're talking about going in and murdering people. That's what it's actually talking about. That is the answer. No, no, no, no, it's not contextualizing. It's what legitimately happened as part of history. They went in and they murdered people. That's a fact. They went in and they murdered people. That's a fact. And Israel has murdered way more powers than in the United States of America. You can take your Antifada and you can go to Palestine and go kill your own people.

53:03Piers Morgan:This is why your question becomes so loaded here. We'll debate the Interfada a different time. Because people like him want to create thought. We'll debate that another time. I want to give a final word to Destiny. You've not had as much time as the others. So what would you finally like to say, Destiny? I mean, I would ask you the same question. This all comes back to the overall immigration policy of the United States right now. It seems to me most Americans agree with the pretty well shutting down of the southern border. They think that's a good thing for American security to not let millions of people come in illegal on the southern border.

53:32Piers Morgan:and most Americans I've talked to on this show and privately agree with deporting people who are undocumented and commit other crimes. Do you agree that those first two things are a good thing? Like broadly speaking, yeah, I think we have to have a secure border. We have to know who's coming into the country and we have to be able to remove people from this country, especially people that are committing real crimes. If you have a traffic ticket, I don't know. But like if you're a felon or you're committing any kind of violence, of course, absolutely. I think almost every American would agree with that.

54:02The issue is that, one, is that people aren't always honest about their immigration positions. So you've got Tomato Vinny over here who wants no immigrants or wants to, what's the term they're using now? Re-immigrate, wants to deport every non-white immigrant or everybody from a country that they don't like and then restart the process or realistically just not bring any of them back at all. So when you try to have the conversations, you can't even give any ground because the people on the other side aren't even honest about what their positions are, number one. And then number two, even if you have strong feelings about immigration or what immigration policy should look like, you should hate the way that Donald Trump is doing it.

54:32Because Donald Trump has taken a position where there is, you know, Charlie called these 80-20 positions, right? Deporting people who have committed violent crimes is a position that almost every American would agree with. If Donald Trump would have gone to every state and had said, let us into your state prisons, let's go through who the illegal immigrants are, who have committed felons or class A misdemeanors or whatever, and let's deport them, that's a policy that any Democratic governor standing against is going to be incredibly unpopular. But instead, you've got Kristi Noem, who doesn't even know what habeas corpus is, who's lying left and right about almost every part of everything in her job, is standing on a building with a camera showing the horrible protests with a guy in a frog suit and seven people recording with iPhones.

55:09You've got the most ineffective administration ever. Their deportations are not on schedule. They're never going to deport the amount of people that came in under Biden. They lie constantly about the number of people that came in under Biden. The last number Trump said was 30 million. They would have to deport like 20 ,000 people a day for four years to even hit this number. All of it is just ridiculous and absurd. So if you really wanted to deport the people that were here illegally, even if that was the thing that you wanted, Trump has been one of the most ineffective leaders ever when it comes to those deportations.

55:35And every single time he talks about it, the first word out of his mouth is Biden, Biden, Biden, Biden, Biden. It's Biden's fault that this guy that did the shootings was brought to this country, despite the fact that it was Biden's Department of Homeland Security that ultimately granted his asylum. It's Biden's fault that all the illegal immigrants came in, despite the fact that illegal immigration was tending up under Trump, even more than Obama. Everything is Biden's fault. The buck has to stop with the president at some point, and Trump has failed on every single metric. You know what it boils down to, though?

56:00Piers Morgan:What it boils down to, and this terror attack is actually part of the problem, is that, as you say, every country needs a border, or it's not a country, it's just de facto, but also you've got to know who's coming into your country. And that's the bottom line. Everything actually all roads, whether it's the original part of our debate or the way it's moved, all of it comes back to who should be in the country. How do you vet those people? I've repeated this many times this year. When I apply for my visa, it is a long, laborious process of paperwork and lawyers and money, and I do it the correct and proper way.

56:37Piers Morgan:And then I get my visa, and I'm very happy and proud to have it. But if people just waltz over the border, it doesn't just piss people like me off who've done it the hard way. it pisses off everybody else in the United States who's come in legally and properly. And we have the same issue in the UK, and it's the same issue in many countries around the world now. You've got to protect your border, and you've got to know who's coming in, and you've got to get rid of the people who do not suit the values of your country or hate your country and want to commit crimes in your country. And that's how you get a stable country.

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