‘They Have His BLOOD on Their Hands!’ Charlie Kirk With Megyn Kelly, Jeffree Star & Nancy Mace

23:23Piers Morgan:Let's just... I think we can probably all agree, I hope we can all agree, it was sickening, although I had Destiny on the other night who couldn't bring himself to condemn it because Donald Trump hadn't said the right thing for him. which I think is a lamentable piece of moral cowardice. So let me just start by asking you, I presume you condemn and were horrified by what happened to Charlie Kirk. Absolutely. I was on the air, Pierce, when it all happened. I got emotional. The first thing I thought about were his kids and his family. This is not only bad for Charlie Kirk, obviously, and bad for his family.

23:54It's bad for America. And I also feel for everybody that was traumatized, that was there that day, that had to see that. Now, with that being said, of course, I didn't agree with basically anything that Charlie Kirk stands for. But with that being said, anybody that's celebrating his death, I think that's despicable and it's disgusting. And I've called that out and I've been very consistent on my opinions since day one. If there's one thing that me and Charlie Kirk certainly agreed on, it's civil discourse and having political debate. I enjoy doing this show, Pierce, and I enjoy having respectful discussions with people that I disagree with.

24:27So this is a horrible, horrible situation. We could never condone political violence, no matter what side of the aisle it comes from.

24:34Piers Morgan:Why have so many people on the far left, the woke left, been so brazen in their gleeful celebration of what happened to Charlie Kirk? Well, my response to that, number one, is I'm not on the far left, so I certainly don't speak for them, but there's people on both sides of the aisle. I know Republicans don't want to hear that, but there are crazy lunatics on both sides of the aisle that celebrate really horrible things that happened to people in America. I don't agree with them. And if you're on the far left or the far right and you celebrate anybody getting murdered, then there's something wrong with you.

25:09And I don't feel bad for any of those people that were fired for celebrating his death. I think it's disgusting. Now, if you're just talking about him and saying, well, he wasn't a good guy. Here's why I didn't like him. Here are some of his quotes that he said in the past. I don't think you should be fired for that. I think there's a way to call out political violence and say Charlie Kirk didn't deserve this. I feel for his family. But I didn't like Charlie Kirk and I didn't like what he stood for. I think you could make both points respectfully.

25:35Piers Morgan:Okay, Luke has been pointed out to me that you've posted some messages about Charlie Kirk on your Instagram, which we're going to show here. One is a post as a parody of a Jubilee debate. I'm doing one of these myself soon, titled Charlie Kirk versus Bullet. can one bullet to the neck outsmart one conservative. Well, that was a short watch. Number two is a mocked-up promotion poster called Kirk and Twerk at Neck of the Woods and hashtagged both Charlie Kirk and his widow. And the third was an image of a surprise, a sunrise titled God Works in Mysterious Ways with the hashtag Charlie Kirk Killing and Praying Hands as an emoji.

26:18Piers Morgan:And you're laughing as I show these. Why do you find this funny? Well, let me just say that I actually am a big advocate for dark humor. And I happen to have gotten a bit of a taste of that over the last, I don't know, maybe decade or so when it came to the right and their memes of George Floyd, you know, happy birthday, being sober for five years. when it came to their memes of Breonna Taylor, when it came to their memes of Trayvon Martin, the Trayvon challenge, right? When it came to their memes of Tamir Rice. So I don't know what the issue is. I think I'm engaging in the freedom of speech that the right has been advocating for for these last 10 years and mocking and making light of Black death, something that Charlie Kirk himself did time and time again.

27:07As a matter of fact, I would argue that if Charlie Kirk, instead of focusing his time on black culture and black on black crime, if he had spent a modicum of his time focusing on the white youth, that perhaps he would still be with us today. Are you pleased he's dead? No, absolutely not.

27:26Piers Morgan:How did you feel about his murder? How did you feel about his murder? How do I feel about his murder? Yeah. Well, I think a quote by a great author sums up the sentiment of millions of Americans around the world. And that is some cause happiness wherever they go, others when they go. And I think that's a sentiment that is palatable amongst many Americans around the world due to the hate and vitriol and bile that Charlie Kirk sowed. So I think there was a past. So just to be clear, if I misheard you, then you are you are happy he died. No, I don't think as far as happiness is an emotion that...

28:06You literally just read me a quote which implies you're happy.

28:10Piers Morgan:You talked about some people's death bring happiness. The purpose of the quote was to say that there are some people who have caused harm and death and turmoil to other groups of people, such as Charlie Kirk, whether it's black people, whether it's, you know, trans people. No, I heard the quote. Just to be clear, you said that the quote ends in that their death brings happiness, but you've denied that you were happy. But when you tell me a quote like that, I presume from that quote, you're implying that actually you are happy he died because he deserved it. He had it coming. No, not at all. I don't think those are ever words that I've ever mentioned verbatim ever.

28:46I think there is a sentiment that when someone who lives their life in evil and wickedness, according to the scripture, the power of life and death is in your tongue. And the hate and the vile and the venom that he spewed, I don't know what to tell you. As the scripture says, as he professed, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. I think his focus should have been on a community that clearly is in problem. I find it interesting that there is more scrutiny on people who may make memes, memes that they've done of George Floyd and other black victims, than on the white male youth that did this tragedy, as some would call it.

29:26I think that should be the focus. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.

29:28Piers Morgan:WHY WOULD YOU BE OFFENDED ABOUT THE MEMES TO PEOPLE LIKE GEORGE FLOYD, WHICH I FOUND CONTEMPTABLE AT THE TIME, IF THEY'RE THE SAME ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHY WOULD YOU PROFESS TO BE OFFENDED BY THOSE IF YOU'RE QUITE HAPPY TO DO THE SAME KIND OF THING YOURSELF? I THINK THE POINT I'M MAKING BY THE MEMES I'M PUTTING OUT, WHICH CLEARLY CAUSED OUTRAGE AND TRIGGERING, I FIND IT HYPOCRITICAL THAT THE PEOPLE FOR YEARS WHO said, fuck your feelings are now overwhelmed with feelings at the moment. But the point that I was making was to point out the hypocrisy that the right has on a variety and myriad of issues, as we just saw with Pam Bondi on the freedom of speech.

30:03I think the issue is that they have scapegoated people like Pam Bondi for what is the crime of Donald Trump, the same thing they did with Anthony Fauci. We saw this when it came to the Second Amendment. They banned bump stock, ban. They had a bump stock ban under Donald Trump while they were fear mongering about Biden take away your guns. But as we saw, there was no outrage. There was no protest. And we come to find out that it was unconstitutional. So I think this hypocrisy is ubiquitous within the right. And I think my memes expose that hypocrisy.

30:34Piers Morgan:And what about your own personal humanity? I mean, hashtagging his widow in a mocked up promotion poster of Kirk and twerk at neck of the woods. How do you justify targeting? Hang on. How do you justify targeting his widow? I think that's a bit disingenuous to use such hyperbolic language as targeting. I think it's more of a strategic plan of attack to get the message out to more people. When we saw Erica Kirk, she had a moment to speak for unity within the country, left and right. And she chose to fundraise. She then chose to use the scripture and talk very nicely of her past husband. And I understand that.

31:16But by that same token, there are people who were absolutely harmed by the rhetoric that Charlie Kirk put out. And that rhetoric actually codified, in many cases, in many states. So I think it's abhorrent and actually perverse to expect people who were harmed by his rhetoric, harmed by someone who had anti-black, anti, you know, anti anyone who wasn't white and Christian in his perspective. I think it's I think it's perverse to try and criticize those people or try and make them seem as they're the bad guys.

31:50Piers Morgan:When that's funny enough, I can look at what you've done and I can see somebody who is abhorrent and despicable and actually evil. actually the stuff when you target someone's widow as she grieves once again i disagree with the word targeting i think i'm talking about me i'm talking about me personally my view of what you've done i don't care about your motivation in terms of other people's inappropriate memes many of which i may well agree with you about but that doesn't mean that i then go and do it myself or worse because that makes me even that makes me even more inhuman and abhorrent and by your I disagree.

32:29Piers Morgan:I think there's a point in time. I know you disagree. I'm just telling you... When it comes to Republicans, when it comes to Conservatives... I know. Hang on. I've let you have your say. I think I'm a mirror of what they have shown. I'll let you have your say. And if they don't like what they see, then they should actually detour from their wicked past. I'm using your own... I'm using your own justification to tell you what I think of you and what you've done. Right? That's my free speech at work. Let me bring in Gillian Michaels. I absolutely agree. I mean, Gillian, look, you know, I saw Brian there nodding to some of what he was hearing there.

32:58Piers Morgan:not all, to be clear, but nodding to some of it about the hypocrisy, which Lucas claims he is exposing with this stuff. What is your view of what he's said? It's not just how the news is told, but what's left out, which concerns me. And when a friend in the business recommended I try Ground News, I gave it a go. Quite honestly, I was impressed. It does something brilliant, which most news platforms are afraid to do. It's an app and a website that lines up coverage of the same story from across the spectrum, left, right, international, and lays it all out side by side. That kind of transparency is increasingly rare and is vital.

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34:13Piers Morgan:That's groundnews.com slash peers. I find this exceptionally sad because, Lucas, you talk about how hurt you were and how offended you were by such despicable things. and then you became the thing that you found the most repulsive, which is alarming and, as I mentioned, deeply saddening. I would be more than happy to litigate some of Charlie's positions for you. I objectly... I don't think I need any litigation from a woman who tried to downplay slavery, who tried to all lives matter slavery after she purchased a black child. That's what I would argue. I don't think you need to as far as litigate anything.

34:54Would you like to discuss it? Okay. Because the reality of the situation is that what I gave you, whether you like it or not, is a fact from the 1860 census. It literally is not a fact. It is actually a bastardization of actual history. What you cited was inaccurate. You can actually look it up. I don't know if you did. I actually did look it up. You clearly did not. Would you like to discuss it? Because in that study that you're citing, in the study that I'm discussing it right now, in the study that you're citing, It takes into account not only the slaves, it takes into account the northern states and the southern states.

35:26So to try and implement or to say this all lives matter when it comes to slavery, which is abhorrent in extreme contradiction to American history, especially in this country as chattel slavery is black Americans, is abhorrent and perverse. Especially you, who is the mother of a black child, who she purchased. Right. Other people die. Is my turn to talk? You purchased. By all means. How did I? Okay, well, I'm not quite sure what you mean by purchase. she's adopted and it is illegal to purchase a child. Did you pay to get that child? No, I paid the adoption agency fees to do my heart study. I paid the adoption agency like you paid to adopt a child to an American adoption agency.

36:12Okay, you're wrong and that's defamation. I'm literally right as you're saying that you paid to an adoption agency. You're literally wrong. And it's this kind of hateful... I'm literally correct.

36:24Piers Morgan:You know what you are. You know what you are, Lucas. I think what's hateful is you downplaying slavery. Hang on, let me jump in here. That's what I think is hateful. Let me jump in here, Lucas. I didn't actually downplay slavery. Let me jump in here, Lucas. That's literally what you did. It seems to me, Lucas, you've decided to be just as offensive as you want to be. You're now attacking people who adopt children, which is one of the most selfless things that any human being could do, actually. This is literally what the right did to Dave Rubin, is it not? Fine. But what you're doing is just trying to be as offensive as possible whilst masquerading under this umbrella of, well, everybody else is offensive, so that's why I'm doing it, to expose all the hypocrisy.

36:59Piers Morgan:But Gillian is right. Gillian is right. What I'm merely trying to do is create a better world. The way you've just gone after Gillian. What I'm trying to do is unify people. You know what, Lucas, stop talking. The only way we can unify people is for people to understand the harms that they've done. You have targeted Gillian for adopting a child. That is despicable. Let me bring in Riley Gaines. I have targeted Gillian for adopting a black child after she downplayed slavery, which I think it's contradictory. You attacked her for adopting a child. Let's not misconstrue my words that I'm saying. Oh, I heard your words.

37:28Piers Morgan:Let me bring in Riley. You're misinterpreting. Let me bring in Riley Gaines. Sure, buddy. Riley, you've been waiting patiently. Great rebuttal, Gillian. OK, can you please let the others speak, please? I wasn't actually allowed to talk, Lucas, but I'm more than happy actually to have you on my podcast. That's because anything comes out of your mouth is back. We can discuss all of it. All right, let me bring in... If you'd like to come on my podcast, I would be more than happy to be a plan. OK, that's a different podcast for a different time. More than willing to have discourse. OK, you know what?

37:56Just to honour Charlie Kirk, to be honest with you.

37:57Piers Morgan:If you're willing for discourse, let Riley Gaines speak. Riley, what is your view of what you've been hearing? I mean, honestly, like, it makes me feel tearful. Like, I have experienced all of the emotions over the past week. It has been, to the day, seven days. I think initially starting with total shock and disbelief and, honestly, confusion. I've been so blessed in my life to not have been surrounded by death much in my family. I haven't lost really anyone close to me. Charlie was a friend, a mentor of mine. He's who ultimately I attribute to giving me my voice, the platform that I have. I attribute that to Turning Point USA to Charlie Kirk.

38:36So to lose a friend like that, like I have gone through all the emotions, but to sit here today and listen to the discussions that we have seen, I think particularly from Lucas, whether it was about the memes that were posted, whether it was about Jillian adopting a black child. I mean, I am just like in total disbelief, disarray. How have we reached a point where these are the discussions that we're having? And on a national stage here, like we have Democratic elected officials who are celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk, the best and most effective debater of our time. All they do is lie. I THINK DEBATOR IS REALLY DOWNPLAYING.

39:18THAT'S NOT TRUE, PIERCE. SHE'S LYING. IN WHAT WAY? WHAT IS THE LIE? NAME ME ONE PROMINENT DEMOCRAT THAT HAS CELEBRATED THE DEATH. AND I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING. YOU 'VE MADE A LIVING ATTACKING TRANSGENDERS. YOU 'VE MADE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ACROSS THE COUNTRY DOING THAT. I DIDN'T ASK FOR THIS. IF YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT. I DIDN'T ASK FOR THE POSITION THAT I'M IN. I'M SORRY YOU LOST YOUR FRIEND. OKAY, HOLD ON A SECOND. YES, IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE. YOU HAVE MADE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PROFITING GOING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. YOU 'VE MADE A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU 'VE MADE A NAME FOR YOURSELF. NOBODY KNOWS WHO YOU ARE AS A COLLEGE SWIMMER UNLESS YOU'RE ATTACKING TRANSGENDERS.

39:54NOW, IF YOU CARE ABOUT CHILDREN, WHY HAVE YOU NOT CRITICIZED DONALD TRUMP? IF YOU CARE ABOUT CHILDREN AND WOMEN, THEN WHY HAVE YOU NOT GOING AFTER DONALD TRUMP FOR NOT BRINGING OUT THE EPSTEIN FILES? IF YOU CARE ABOUT CHILDREN, WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT GUN CONTROL? I'M HAPPY THAT THAT TRANSGENDER is out of that volleyball tournament, okay? But there's more important things that we should be talking about, and you've profited off of attacking transgenders with your hatred towards transgender people. Nobody knows who you are as a college swimmer. People know who you are because you go around the country attacking transgenders, Riley.

40:28That's who you are.

40:29Piers Morgan:Actually, what she's done, Brian, very heroically, in my opinion, is she's gone around the country defending women's rights to fairness, equality, and safety, something that I'm very surprised to hear that you, on the left, do not wholeheartedly endorse and agree with. Pierce, Pierce, let me respond to what you just said. Sure. If, in fact, Riley Gaines... By the way, Pierce, I've had this conversation on your show about transgenders. I don't think transgender women should be competing with women on the plane. So you agree with her? However, I do. But here's my problem with Riley. So what are you talking about?

41:05She doesn't talk about the... Let me explain. She doesn't talk about the non-release of the Epstein files and real victims of sexual abuse. She doesn't criticize Donald Trump. She doesn't talk about how flags weren't at half-mast after children are massed occurred in schools. She only talks about transgenders.

41:22Piers Morgan:Let me ask you. It's so funny. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. I'm talking. You followed everything that I've ever said on any topic ever. Hang on, Riley. So, Brian, your position is that unless you talk out publicly, about every single issue that is important in the world, then it disqualifies you from talking about the issue that you not only care about most because it happened to you, but you are passionate about because it protects women's rights. Is that your position? Pierce, Pierce, here's my position. You don't have to talk about every single issue, but when the second leading cause of death in children is gun violence, you probably should bring that up.

42:04When we talk about MAGA Republicans who have talked about the Epstein files and horrible abuse, Maxwell was one of the largest sex traffickers in the world. And the Donald Trump administration have sent her to a club. Why does Riley Gaines have to do all that?

42:18Piers Morgan:Why does Riley Gaines? Because she says she cares. Riley Gaines cares. Because she said, let me answer. Riley Gaines cares because a very, very tall, muscular, powerful male called Leah Thomas said suddenly, who was a very moderate, unsuccessful male swimmer suddenly said, I'm a woman and then began destroying women in the women's pool. It was clearly grotesquely unfair, unequal, and actually dangerous. And we saw the same thing happen in a boxing ring in Paris in the Olympics. I would like to be able to speak for myself. For Riley to be condemned by you because she doesn't also talk about other issues is absurd.

43:02Piers Morgan:Anyway, we'll come back to this. I'm just going to hold the panel here for a moment. A brief timeout. I've been joined by Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace. Nancy, welcome back to Uncensored. Choice hotels get you more of what you value. Here's a little tune to help you remember. Same drive, different day. Don't you wish you were getting away? Pack your beds and come on through. Texas, Ohio, Alaska, we're up there too. Comfort Inn. It's calling your name. Save on the stay. Oh, and free waffles are yours to claim. Well, I hope you like my little song. Book direct at choicevilletales.com. We're here just having a kind of slightly insane debate, in my opinion.

43:52Piers Morgan:But there's a lot of insanity flying around at the moment, one of which is the utterly appalling spectacle of so many on the left openly, brazenly, proudly celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk. How have we got here as a society? Well, it's insane. And you can just see in the previous debate, you saw two grown men, Democrat men, screaming, yelling on your program at two women. Riley Gaines is one of the brightest, smartest, youngest minds fighting for what she believes in. And we want to encourage that, not discourage it. I don't want to discourage anyone out there to prevent them from speaking up by getting yelled at.

44:35I was yelled out yesterday in front of Don Lemon at the steps of the Capitol. And all we want to do, I'm a rape survivor. All I want as a rape victim is to ensure that men aren't in my bathroom or Riley's bathroom or in the shower next to us. That is dangerous. And it's uncalled for. But to see those men on your program yelling at the women who are just talking freely, talking in a sane and normal manner, trying to have a colloquy, trying to have a national conversation, and they're being screamed at. That's how we got here. And until the left and until the Democrat Party acknowledges their role in this, it's not going to get better.

45:18And I have to tell you, it's terrifying right now to be a conservative. I am carrying my Sig Sauer P365 everywhere I go. I have armed guards everywhere I go. I can't even go to the grocery store alone anymore. I can't even walk my dog without a gun because I have many, so many on the left, Democrats, a lot of transgenders who are emailing, calling, trying to show up at my office, threatening to kill me, my children, my family, my elderly parents, the father of my children. And I'm not gonna live in fear. I'm not gonna be terrified. and I'm going to figuratively fight back, figuratively push back and protect my safety.

45:58Today, I'm going to lead a floor debate against Ilhan Omar. Lucas was asking about a prominent Democrat celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk. They're everywhere. But let's start with Ilhan Omar, who's right down the hall from me right now. I'm in Congress at the Capitol, who celebrated the murder and political assassination of Charlie Kirk by saying that people who were mourning his death were full of shit, excuse my language, but no, and is posting content celebrating his murder, calling Charlie Kirk a terrorist. I can't even with these people because they just won't tell the truth. And like, I love having a debate.

46:39I love coming on and having conversation, even when we disagree, Pierce, but there's never anything ill or negative or like, I don't want to bring harm on anybody, But we have to tell the truth. And how do you unite with people who refuse to tell the truth, who continue to lie? I just, I don't know how you continue to have a conversation with these people. We have to shun them.

47:00Piers Morgan:Do you have to be, do you have to be careful? You know, I watched Pam Bondi trying to explain that hate speech is something that the attorney general believed should be pursued with the full force of the law. And I recoiled from that, as did many on the right, because actually the First Amendment protects hate speech. It doesn't protect incitement of violence or acts of violence. But you can say hateful things and be protected under the First Amendment. And it was pretty staggering to hear an attorney general who didn't seem to realise that. Some have criticised you because you have a hotline.

47:34Piers Morgan:You've encouraged people to call in. People are saying bad things about Charlie Kirk and so on. There will be people on the left saying, well, this is just complete hypocrisy, because really what you're operating with this is a form of the very cancel culture that you and others on the right have always professed to hate. What do you say to that? Well, this is a cancel culture, and I have voted and I've supported legislation that protects the freedom of speech, that protects the First Amendment. You know, I've been out there on the Epstein files, too, protecting survivors, by the way. There are Republicans out there who are very vocal, like myself.

48:09But free speech has consequences, And I'll quote Ilhan Omar, who tweeted that you have the right to say anything you want. You have the right to those opinions, but there are consequences. And if you are around children, my particular focus is on the educational system. Those that are teaching our kids or in the classroom and those who are making health care decisions for people. I don't want the bias and those who are celebrating the murder of a political class, a political side that they don't agree with. They should not be making medical decisions for others, and they should not be indoctrinating our kids.

48:43We look at Tyler Robinson, 22-year-old kid who has self-admittedly murdered Charlie Kirk because he didn't like his opinions and thought he was full of hate. They're condoning this. They're endorsing this. He was radicalized. We believe it. school and in the education system, we can't allow that. I mean, when I was growing up, teachers were just normal. You had no idea what their politics were. And now kids are forced to say, what are your pronouns? And can you define a hundred genders? And, you know, I just, they're being influenced and inspired and radicalized. And this can't be happening. This is how we got here.

49:21And we have to admit that this is the truth and that we're going to work together to end it. And And they don't want to. They don't want to. And I just, I don't know what else to do. I want to defund the schools that allow teachers that celebrate murder to stay there and stay employed. I want to defund them. And I want to shame these teachers out of existence. I don't want them anywhere near my kids. No. Or yours.

49:44Piers Morgan:Nancy Mace, thank you very much indeed for joining me. Thank you. Let's go back to the panel. I mean, Brian Shapiro, did any of that give you pause for thought? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. FIRST OF ALL, I FIND IT IRONIC THAT NANCY MACE IS TALKING ABOUT TELLING THE TRUTH, YET SHE'S THE PERSON WHO BLAMED THE SHOOTER IN THE CHARLIE KIRK MURDER AS A TRANSGENDER. I FIND THAT VERY IRONIC. SHE CALLED ME A DEMOCRAT. I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT. I'M A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT THAT IS ANTI-DONALD TRUMP. So I want to be very clear on that as well. Listen, now she mentioned Ilhan Omar.

50:16If that's true about Ilhan Omar and she made those statements, I totally disavow that. But I don't think anybody could name me three Democrats that are celebrating Charlie Kirk's death that are elected officials. Number two, every Democrat out there is saying this is wrong for the most part. Political violence. We should never celebrate it. And all the right is doing is blaming it on the radical left, including Donald Trump. Nancy Mace wants to say to bring people together. Donald Trump has divided us by blaming the radical left for what took place here. You would be blaming.

50:47Piers Morgan:Brian, Brian, be honest. If it was the other way around and the investigators said publicly, as they have, as has the governor of Utah, that all the evidence pointed to this person being radicalized by the far right, you would not hesitate to say this was a far right assassination and you would go on a massive rant about it. So there's a double standard there, right? No, you're wrong. You're wrong. I don't do that, Pierce. You could look at my social media. No, you're wrong. Here's what I do. I call out political violence on both sides. If you recall, Pierce, the right... Hang on. I'm not disputing that.

51:22Piers Morgan:I'm just saying if he was a radical right, if you'd been radicalized by the right, I don't think you would be saying people shouldn't be talking about the radicalization. The reason why, Pierce, I ever bring up the radical right is because the right never takes responsibility, literally, for anything. But nor is the left. They blamed Donald Trump. But nor is the left. Listen, I... The left, having said this for years, now is doing exactly the same thing. I saw Jimmy Kimmel... Pierce, we... I saw Jimmy Kimmel go on a rant saying this guy was a MAGA guy, the shooter. Complete lie. I'M GOING TO BE I'M ALWAYS CONSISTENT ON THIS ISSUE.

51:58IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT COMES FROM THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT. IT'S WRONG. WE NEED TO CALL OUT POLITICAL VIOLENCE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE.

52:08Piers Morgan:WE SHOULD ALSO BE UNAFRAID TO CALL OUT RADICALIZATION WHERE WE SEE IT AS A PRIMARY MOTIVATION FOR THESE ASSASSINATIONS. SO DO YOU THINK THIS SHOOTER WAS A RADICAL LEFTIST? I THINK THIS PERSON WAS AS THE INVESTIGATORS ARE SAYING. I 'LL COME TO YOU IN A MOMENT THE GOVERNOR HAS HIT A VERY, IN MY VIEW, SENSIBLE TONE THROUGHOUT ALL THIS. AS THEY 'VE ALL BEEN SAYING, ALL THE EVIDENCE IS POINTING TO A YOUNG MAN WHO WAS RADICALIZED TO THE LEFT. OKAY, SO LET ME RESPOND TO THAT REAL QUICKLY. SO FIRST OF ALL, EVEN IF THAT IS TRUE, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH WHAT MEGAN KELLY SAID. IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO KILL SOMEBODY BECAUSE YOU disagree with their beliefs, then there's something wrong with you.

52:53You are crazy. So Pierce, even if that was true, now we know he comes from a conservative Mormon family. I don't really care what his political affiliation is. I'm grateful that his father and a transgender, by the way, who so many two people on this panel continue to attack, there's a transgender that we should be thanking. The two people on this panel haven't even got a chance to say a word yet. The transgender. Shut up for five seconds.

53:17Piers Morgan:All right, let me bring in the two women here. Let me bring in Gillian. Who they are. We actually don't need to say that. Hang on, don't you talk at once, please? They're showing the world who they are. Can the two men shut up for a moment? Gillian. There are so many lies here. I don't know which to tackle first. The reality is that we are here because of the very things you guys are doing in this moment. You refuse to engage in any sort of intelligent dialogue or debate. You just name call. We're bigots. We're racists. This is exactly how we got here. this kind of othering, this kind of demonization.

53:50If you guys want to have an intelligent conversation about something that I have said, something that Riley has said, or something that Charlie has said, I'm absolutely here for it. But in this moment, you are very clearly showing the world that you are an integral part of this problem. And it's irrelevant what side of the aisle you're on. It's a human characteristic of demonizing others, and you both have it.

54:11Piers Morgan:All right, Riley. Can I just... Yeah, I would just like the opportunity to defend myself for a second because, Brian, what you said is like the most ill-informed thing I've ever heard. Number one, to insinuate that I'm not a good athlete, as if that even matters, okay? I'm one of the fastest Americans of all time. Can you name me three female swimmers? The reason why I said nobody would know who you are. Can you name me three female swimmers? If you're going to talk about how no one knew me, can you name me three of the top female swimmers in this nation or this world. 99 % of the country, 99 % of the country can't name three female swimmers.

54:46The only reason why we know who you are is because you're half transgender 24-7. So why did my athletic ability, which, again, one of the fastest in the nation, and the world, really, for that matter, when I was competing, why did that have anything to do with anything? Are you saying only the best female athletes, only the best of the best, only those who are winning Olympic gold medals deserve fairness? Is that what you're saying? Make it clear to me, please. No, what I'm saying is... Okay, perfect. Okay, so I'm going to continue on now. To say that I have not been a voice for the Epstein victims is ridiculous.

55:17This is a recent tweet that I put out that I got a lot of flack for. I said, I serve Christ, not a politician. Why won't Donald Trump release the Epstein Falls? We are going to act like the proven harm and abuse of Epstein cause never happened. His victims deserve so much better than that. There is no line to walk when it comes to sex trafficking, especially of children. So to slander me and say that I have not been a voice for the obscene victims is ridiculous. I have been a voice for the women in Muslim countries, in Afghanistan, in Yemen, in South Sudan, who are under Sharia law, who don't get to get an education, who don't get to go to the gym, who don't get to go to the doctor.

55:54Like, I have been a voice for all these women. So to sit here and act like you know me number one is ridiculous and entirely defamatory. Okay, Riley, can I respond? Okay, Riley. Now that I'm done. Understood. Absolutely. Let me ask. Okay, so Riley, when Donald Trump bragged about going into teenage girls locker rooms on the Howard Stern Show, are you willing to condemn Donald Trump right now on the program? Or the fact that he's a liable sexual abuser and a 34-count felon? He bragged about going into teenage girls locker rooms. If you care, which I believe you do, by the way, Riley, if you care about young women, are you willing to condemn Donald Trump for going into teenage girls locker rooms without their permission?

56:32I THINK ANY MAN WHO VIOLATES A WOMAN'S PRIVACY, SAFETY, FAIRNESS WHEN IT COMES TO ATHLETIC COMPETITIONS IS DETESTABLE AND CONDEMMABLE. EASY PEASY, LEMON SQUEEZY. FAIRNESS, I DIDN'T, MY QUESTION. HEY, PIERCE, PIERCE, PIERCE. THIS IS WHY I BRING THIS UP. I'M SO GLAD SHE SAID THAT. SHE WENT BACK TO TRANSGENDERS AND SHE DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION. SO I WILL TRY TO ASK IT AGAIN, RILEY. I SAID NOTHING ABOUT TRANSGENDERS. IT'S TELLING THAT YOU INSINUATE WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT FURTHER. I'M TALKING ABOUT MEN'S SPACES. I SHOULD HAVE DONE ANY MAN. CAN I JUST FINISH THIS? SHE WON'T CONDEMN DONALD TRUMP FOR ANYTHING.

57:10YOU SOUND LIKE A LITTLE CHILD THROWING A HISTORY. SHE WON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

57:16Piers Morgan:LET ME BRING IN LUCAS. LET LUCAS RESPONSE. She, to be fair, she didn't name him by name, but I think that would include Donald Trump. But to bring up as far as the galvanizing, which is, I think what we're witnessing is, is gaslighting and political schizophrenia at its peak. Because when we talk about galvanizing, we have to look at the body of work that Charlie Kirk did, whether it was to once again, dehumanize black people to say that black women were low IQ and non-deserving and non-deserving of their positions, right? Whether it was to bastardize as far as a Black American lexicon, whether it was the perversion of woke or whether it was the perversion of Black fatigue, something that was crucial to Black history, even to this day, whether it was the perversion of CRT, I think it's absolutely diabolical to say that this is coming from the left when Charlie Kirk spent most of his life to do that.

58:11I think when he talks about Black death, when it's Trayvon Martin, Breonna Taylor, all these people that he vilified, All these people that he could care less about. But you want to know something? There is not one mention of Daniel Schaefer. I mentioned Daniel Schaefer. White man killed police brutality. It's not one mention of Jared Lackey on any of his posts. I mentioned Jared Lackey. White man tased to death police brutality. There is not one mention of Kelly Thomas. There is not one mention of Ryan Whitaker killed shot in the back white man because he was playing video games too loud. So to say that they care about, oh, police brutality, they care that it's not galvanizing, they are galvanizing Charlie Kirk and other people like him are galvanizing their audience to ironically to promote a white victimhood complex on a certain group of white individuals who feel disassociated with society currently.

59:05Piers Morgan:All right, Brian, hold fire. Same thing that they argue that was happening to black people. They are now prophetizing. I just want to ask Jillian. You made your point. I just want to ask Jillian a question. I'm going to come back to you in one moment. We're going to bring in another guest now, Jeffree Star, who's a cosmetics influencer. Hi, Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile. Are you looking for a beach read this summer? May I suggest your big wireless bill? It's got suspense, mystery, a slightly flat emotional arc and a shocking twist where you realize you've been overpaying the entire time. Fortunately, though, Mint's story is better.

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59:50Piers Morgan:Thank you very much indeed for joining me, Geoffrey. You've gone viral this week for this TikTok Live. He encouraged everyone to speak about their beliefs, whether he believed them or not. Am I a Republican? No, I'm a person. Because I'm standing up for someone that passed away, I'm now being called names in the chat. This is what's wrong with a lot of you people. You will never get far in life. You are sick in the head. Someone just said they're unsubscribing from me. Thank God, please. Because if you believe in vain thems, you're part of the problem. If you're so stupid enough to go against science, please unfollow me.

1:00:28Piers Morgan:Jeffrey, what happened to you as a consequence of that going viral? So about 100 ,000 people have unfollowed me this week for speaking about Charlie, the entire thing. I can't believe so many people in America are cheering and praising his death. It's honestly disgusting. So while I was live streaming, I found out about what happened in real time. And it was so horrifying and devastating. I've followed him for a few years. Do I agree with everything he's ever said? Of course I don't. But I loved a lot of what he said, and it resonates with me. But the good news is hundreds of thousands of more people have followed me, and they're on the exact same page.

1:01:06So I don't care about the following. It's not about that. I just had to speak my mind.

1:01:11Piers Morgan:Have you been surprised, shocked, depressed by the reaction? I mean, I've been genuinely stunned. I thought I'd seen everything in the news game going back 40 years. But to see the outpouring of gleeful celebration of a young man's murder for expressing his opinions and a young man who would deliberately go into, you know, the opposition territory, college campuses, and get people to line up and say, come on, come and argue with me in a respectful way. The idea that he gets murdered for doing that all the time seemed particularly perverse to me. Were you... How did you feel about it? I was honestly horrified because I'm someone that's always been outspoken.

1:01:55I love the truth, and for some reason, people are afraid of the truth. I've been told all week, he would have hated someone like you. No, he would have respected me because I'm my own person and I know how to have my own thoughts. So when I found that, when I saw it in real time, I was completely devastated. I can't believe someone that has an opinion is now dead. It's disgusting.

1:02:17Piers Morgan:Yeah, Brian, I mean, when you hear that, do you find it disgusting, the reaction that Jeffrey's had? Yeah, absolutely. 150%. I think anybody who celebrates Charlie Kirk's death is absolutely disgusting. And I applaud you for, you know, doing the right thing and being a good human being and saying this is horrible. Charlie Kirk didn't deserve this. I feel for his kids and his family. Doesn't mean we have to agree with everything Charlie Kirk stood for, which obviously I don't. But for the people that are attacking you on social media, I mean, I've gotten death threats as well. It's despicable. And I feel for you.

1:02:51We should be able to have a respectful dialogue about Charlie Kirk. And I would certainly welcome that with Jillian. And I have some questions for her if we have the time.

1:02:59Piers Morgan:Well, Oscar, no. OKAY. WELL, JILLIAN, HI JILLIAN. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION AND POLITICAL DISCOURSE IS GOOD. IT'S ONE THING I HAVE IN COMMON WITH CHARLIE KERK. HERE'S WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU ABOUT. THE DAY PAUL PELOSI WAS BLUDGENED WITH A HAMMER, THE DAY AFTER THAT, CHARLIE KERK WENT ON HIS PODCAST, HE MADE JOKES ABOUT IT, AND ON HIS SHOW HE ASKED HIS LISTENERS TO DONATE TO THE PERSON WHO TRIED TO KILL PAUL PELOSI. Are you willing to admit that that's also wrong because Charlie Kirk did that on his show? If Charlie, okay, if Charlie did that, I 100 % agree with you. I haven't seen that.

1:03:37A lot of the stuff that I have seen and experienced with Charlie, he advocates consistently against violence. So if he did that, I am in 100 % agreement with you. And in fact, came prepared today to talk about this kind of violence and othering on both sides. And I could talk about And I believe it was 2016 when Donald Trump talked about people who believe in the Second Amendment going out and taking care of some of these politicians who didn't agree with him. Because I think the othering and the demonization and the labeling is devastating our culture. And it is literally getting people killed.

1:04:14So if Charlie did that, then I agree with you on that. I'm unfamiliar with it. I'd have to watch it myself. Right. So, Jillian, I appreciate you giving me that answer. But he also said that Michelle Obama and Joy Reid don't have the processing brainpower to be taken seriously. He called gay people destructive. He said Taylor Swift should submit to her husband. He also said that he blamed Jewish money for ruining America. I don't again. Let me preface this by saying, everyone, I can't what happened to Charlie Kirk. I've watched a lot of that stuff, and that's mischaracterized. characterized and when he was talking about no I or it actually is and I'm more than happy to send you numerous videos where Charlie talks about the conservative movement and how there is absolutely room for people who are gay and goes on to admonish somebody who says that there are not he talks about Dave Rubin she's about Peter Thiel and okay this is the same for you that I'm talking about

1:05:21Jillian, just let me respond. You don't want the truth. Jillian. No, Jillian, I just want 10 seconds respectfully. Thank you. I'm sure that Charlie Kirk has said a lot of nice things about a lot of people. I'm sure he said a lot of nice things about people, but that doesn't take away the bad things that he said also. I played those videos on my show yesterday. I didn't take them out of context. I didn't take them out of context. Okay, so explain to me when Charlie Kirk says that blacks were better off in the 1940s and that the Civil Rights Act should not have been passed. I actually can explain that in detail.

1:05:57I can explain that in detail. There's an hour and 22-minute long podcast where he dives into it. And what he goes on to talk about is that the intentions of the Civil Rights Act were fantastic. The desire for equal opportunity. but that because it was so broad and so vague, it made room for things like demanding equal outcomes. He cites a case where teachers in New York have to take a basic standardized test, okay? And this started in the 1980s and the 1990s. Unfortunately, Black and Hispanic teachers didn't pass at the same rate that whites and Asians did. Now, instead of looking at why is this happening, where is the disparity, How can we fix this?

1:06:42What's broken with the system? Years later, New York as a state was sued because these teachers failed at disproportionate rates and had to pay a billion dollars. He's turning around saying this is crazy. This is insane. I happen to agree. That's crazy. And it doesn't fix what's actually broken. This is the point. Using outlier cases to paint a broad spectrum of a group of people. He outright says that he won. First of all, Charlie doesn't even believe in race. He goes on to talk about how it's a social construct. He goes on to praise Martin Luther King's position that we shouldn't judge men on the color of their skin, but on the quality of their character.

1:07:24You mean the same Martin Luther King who he vilified? Do you know what he vilified him over? What are we talking about? This is the hypocrisy I'm talking about. Let me answer you. Let me answer you. Let me answer you, actually. Also, is this the same Jeffree Star that said the N-word and called black woman nappy-headed? You don't want the answer. I know this can't be the same Jeffree Star. Let me answer you about MLK. I've never said that. Please stop lying. We literally have it on video. That's all they've done this whole show. His top criticism of MLK. He literally just made that up. This is actually the most interesting.

1:07:52Oh, my God. Google it. His top criticism of MLK. I hear what you're saying, Jillian. I absolutely understand what you're saying. You don't. Let me tell you his top criticism. His top criticism. How are you going to tell me what he said? We've seen what he said. I'm very familiar with you. Clearly you haven't. I was literally a part of Turning Point USA at one point. So I'm very familiar with it. So tell me what were his top criticisms. The issue that I have is that the scrutiny that you're levying. You will not let me say it? Because it's totally antithetical to your narrative. It's not about antithetical.

1:08:26It's about as far as fact checking. Then let me say it. Anything that he said? I listened to it this morning. Did you fact check anything that he said? I didn't ask that. I asked, did you fact check anything that he said? Every single thing. Pierce, can this, like, be muted?

1:08:39Piers Morgan:Yeah, I don't really know what we're getting to, because every time she tries to explain to you, Lucas, you just talk over her. Apologies, go ahead, by all means. Well, no, is it Jillian? Tell me your perspective of what you said. You don't seem to understand the concept of a debate. Riley. Jillian, I'm here to listen to Jillian, and I'm trying to have a respectful conversation with her, But Jillian, do you understand why there are a lot of people out there? There's nothing respectful about this, Brian. There's nothing respectful about how either you or Lucas have been this entire time. What did I say that was disrespectful to you?

1:09:05The fact that, number one, you want to come from my swimming abilities is crazy. That is crazy work. You don't understand why I said that, and I'm going to try to explain it to you again. The reason why people know who you are is not because of your swimming. I'm sure you were a great swimmer. It's because you're on TV attacking transgenders. I did not want to be doing this. This is not where I want to be. You don't accept money for making speeches? Okay? You don't accept money to make speeches? But it's people like you. Do you have talks of idiotically that continue to give me a platform? It's not even the words that I'm saying.

1:09:40It's the words that you're saying that give people like me the same common sense normal people. I do find, Brian,

1:09:47Piers Morgan:I do find your line of attack on Riley utterly inexplicable because she did not create the situation. she lost a place in a top race because somebody thought it was a good idea for a six-foot, three-inch male to compete in her race. I don't feel that way. That's what started this. I don't feel that way at all. I want to ask one thing of Geoffrey before we finish this. Geoffrey, there was an allegation from Lucas there that you've used the N-word. Do you want to respond to that? I think it's fair that you respond? Listen, I've never called a black person that. That's been debunked. And the second thing you said, I've never said before.

1:10:22So please stop lying. We have video evidence of it. It's just the same. But I think the point that I want to make just lastly is the Republicans. Well, I think that the hypocrisy of the Republican when it comes to individuals like Jeffrey, when we have a party that's for marriage between a man and a woman, but then they celebrate or in some cases deride what happened with David Rubin and his marriage. I think I think it's hypocritical when it comes to Riley. I think it's hypocritical when it comes to Riley. You want to see the video? I'm talking about trans as Fox News hires Caitlyn Jenner. As we have Blair White and how the right prefers to - Caitlyn Jenner's a friend of mine.

1:10:57So what's your point? Blair White as she. I was with Dave Rubin last week. Is Caitlyn Jenner a man? Riley Gaines, is Caitlyn Jenner a man? Yes. And I tell Caitlyn that he's a man. I tell Caitlyn, I will call you by Caitlyn. I will not use she, her pronouns. And guess what Caitlyn says to me. I don't need you to use she, her pronouns when talking about me. This is what the white does. Because I don't need you to affirm me. Whether it's trans tokens. I do what I do because I'm affirming myself. I don't need someone else to affirm the life that I live. That's what Caitlin says to me. How do you talk about as far as the trans issue, as far as men going to the woman's bathroom, while befriending someone who is literally a part of that problem?

1:11:32Let me ask you, Riley. Are kids born trans? And still acknowledge a problem. That is a foreign concept to you and Brian. Riley, are kids born trans? Clearly? Not me. Riley, are kids born trans, Riley? Not Charlie either, by the way. Not Charlie either. Are kids born trans, Riley? Can I just say? Are kids born trans? Can I just have 20 seconds? Can I just have 20 seconds just to say one quick thing? You've had a phone with your phone. Y 'all talk the entire time. Excuse me. Apologies. Excuse me. I care about kids. I care about women. Riley, I'm willing to believe that your heart is in the right place.

1:12:03This is such baloney. I also... Can I just finish my 20-second statement? You talk about misogyny. You are the most condescending with women. Mansplaining individual.

1:12:15Piers Morgan:I'm condescending, and you support the guy who... about grabbing women by the genitals. OK, you know what? We began this debate by talking about the importance of trying to all come together and have some unity and public discourse back to how it should be, and we've ended up as a squabbling barnyard. I'm going to leave it there. I thank you all for your contributions. Thank you very much.

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