“This Is a HORROR!” Alex Pretti Death Sparks ICE Frenzy | With Vincent Oshana

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22:57Piers Morgan:And here's the best part. Use the code peers and get 70 % off your first order. Get 70 % off with the code peers. All right, let's get back on point. Gillian, thank you for your patience and welcome back to Uncensored. Thank you, Peers. It seems to me in all of this, what I've been pleased about in the last 24 hours is that unlike with Renee Goode, where there seemed to be just a complete void of humanity and any empathy for what happened to that woman, regardless of the circumstances that led up to her death, people were just treating this like a pure political porn, right? You were either, she had it coming, she shouldn't have been there, she's domestic terrorist, blah, blah, blah.

23:41Piers Morgan:There was no, like, empathy. This time round, I'm detecting that even President Trump realises some of his administration on the airwaves was sounding completely ridiculous, calling this guy, Alex Preddy, a domestic terrorist, an assassin, somebody about to wipe out all these ICE agents. We know what we saw. That's obviously not what he was doing. He was actually protecting a woman protester who'd been thrown to the floor. Now, should he have, given that he was armed, Should he have engaged in any kind of struggle or resistance? Well, probably not. But the idea that we can't have incredible empathy for this guy, who's a medic, who's now dead, who never brandished his weapon or shot anybody, and had eight guys swarming all over him, I just find that it's gratifying we're not seeing quite the same reaction we did with René Goode, but it's probably forced by the politics, which are increasingly damaging to the Trump administration?

24:45I have actually heard each and every one of you speak and I have agreed with pretty much all of you for the majority of what you're saying. With Obama, he did expand expedited removal, which is something put into place by Clinton with a Republican Congress to deny a lot of people due process. It was passed in 96. He also had no sanctuary cities. He was getting cooperation from the cities. Those were his cages. They did debort kids. And the only reason I bring this up is because we're so busy pointing fingers at each other. Okay, this woman bit an ICE agent's finger off, and they're throwing cinder blocks at ICE, and they think ICE is the Gestapo, and they're impeding, and they are.

25:30And then at the same time, you've got ice bear spraying people and executing Alex Peretti. Like all of these things are true at the same time. So the bigger question I have is instead of trying to figure out who's more wrong, who's more evil here, how do we do what you just said and pass immigration reform? There is actually a bill right now that is bipartisan. It's called the Dignity Bill, and it gives the Republicans what they want, which is strong border enforcement. Literally, I have it right here. So if you want to employ, okay, so just hear me out, guys. If you want to employ somebody, you have to go through e-verify to make sure that they're legal.

26:12Republicans will like that. You've got physical barriers at the border. You've got enhanced technology, 24-7 surveillance at the border. Okay, you can come forward if you've been in the country five years, okay, and you can apply for legal status. It costs$7 ,000, which will be paid over the course of seven years. You have to pay back taxes. Now, it doesn't give you citizenship because you came in the wrong way, but the kids that came in here have access to citizenship. It funds itself. Like, how do we move forward here? That's what I want to focus on is this is awful. Everybody's heart is breaking for a host of different reasons, and we've got to move forward.

26:50Is this something that we could get behind? And if it is, go to House.gov and contact your local congressperson and tell them you want to get behind this bill or some form of reform, because that's what we need.

27:05Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, Mark Lamont Hill, immigration reform has been talked about for decades now, and yet there are a lot of points of agreement. Most Americans I've talked to think what Trump has achieved on the southern border is a good thing, and certainly by comparison to what Biden didn't achieve on the southern border. Most Americans are fair-minded and think if you're in the country illegally and you commit another crime that isn't linked to your status, you should be deported, right? You're abusing your position of being in the country. The rest of it, you know, America was founded on immigrants and the rest of it is a much more contentious area, But I do think most Americans are fair-minded about it, and they want to try and find a way to navigate through the millions of people who've built lives in America and want to contribute and pay taxes, have kids, and all the rest of it.

28:03Piers Morgan:It shouldn't be that difficult. It shouldn't be. But I think the problem is, and I agree with what you just said, not you, Pierce, but the smart woman, who said... Jillian, thank you. Jillian, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. I've been smoking with Grillo for two days, so my names are blank. At least you remember my name, even if it wasn't for the right reason. Indeed. Jillian, I agree with you. I think the presumption in what you're saying, though, is that everyone is operating under the same premise and that everybody has good intentions and everybody's moving in good faith. And I'm not convinced that people on either side are doing that.

28:42But when we see what's happening right now in the Trump administration, it seems like the cruelty isn't just an unfortunate piece of a broader project. In some ways, it seems like the cruelty is the point. And so if the goal here is to impose a certain kind of militarism and a certain kind of police state in very specific areas, then I'm not sure that a compromise is going to work. I agree that Democrats have been bad on this. I agree that Obama was a deporter in chief. I had criticism of Obama for that reason. So it's not that I think we should only focus on Republicans here. I think there's a bipartisan failure.

29:19And I think every midterm election and every four year presidential election, we see just how much political cowardice exists on both sides because no one really wants to die on the immigration hill. So they all bluster and bombast. And then at the end of the day, nothing gets done and we end up in the same place over and over again. I agree though, finally, yeah, I think we could come up with some common, it's just like guns. We can come up with some common sense regulations. We can come up with some things that are reasonable across the board. And then the devil that's in the details, we could work through.

29:48But I think the big detail here that we haven't spoken about and that I think is important to speak about is that when we say immigration and illegal immigration or that word that I hate, illegal alien, we're not really talking about everybody. We're talking about very specific groups of people, very specific ethnicities, very specific colors. They get a very different response from the average reasonable American than others do. There's a reason why we're looking at Somalis. There's a reason why we look at Mexicans. There's a reason why we're looking at Guatemalans. And we're not necessarily looking at all the same people from Eastern Europe or even Western Europe who also could be here illegally.

30:18We're looking at very specific populations. And I'm not worried. I am not unconcerned about the crimes that happen. I agree with you. If you're committing crimes here, that's a significant problem. I'm worried about the lives of the millions of people who are not committing crimes. And I'm worried about the stability of those children who were brought here with no choice involved at all. That's where I think we can reach some common ground.

30:39Piers Morgan:Yeah, and, you know, the Obama thing, I was banging on about that for years, even before this show and other, because it always struck me as hilarious that I would go to these, like, liberal dinner parties and they'd all be ranting about Trump and I would always do my favourite question, how many people did Obama deport in eight years? And, A, they didn't know, ever, had no idea, they couldn't guess literally in a blue moon. Well, the number was, and they didn't care because it was their guy, right? And eventually I would say it was 3 million, more than 3 million. He was the greatest deporter, pro rata per year of presidency in history, as he was the biggest bomber, by the way, Obama.

31:21Piers Morgan:It's the same Barack. But those were Democratic drones, Piers. That's different. Predator drones in Yemen and Somalia are different than George Bush's drones. Totally different. Exactly. But here's my question for you, Vinny. Tim Homan, who actually I've had on the show, and I like Tim Homan. I think he's a decent guy. Sorry, Tom Homan. I like him as a man. I think he's principled. I think he's trying to do a difficult job as best he can. And I'm glad he's gone down to Minneapolis, and I hope they sort it out. It's encouraging to me that Governor Walz and President Trump are talking. I think that's an indication that Trump knows this has gone too far and that people in his own administration have been massively trying to sell the public a load of bullshit, frankly.

32:04Piers Morgan:But Tom Homan's on the record as saying there are 20 million illegal immigrants in the United States. 20 million. Now, if you try and do what they say they're going to do, which is remove all 20 million, that is going to have an incredibly negative impact on the United States economy, right when it can least afford it. Do you genuinely want, you, Vinnie Ashana, want 20 million people removed from the country? Piers, I'm going to tell you something right now. Yup. Okay, because, and when you guys say stuff like, who voted, who voted for this? 77 million people voted for mass deportation. And Piers, I am so sorry.

32:45That's not just criminals. It's everyone that came here illegally, from a murderer to a freaking Uber driver who's taking American jobs, Piers. My mother, my grandfather, my family from both sides came here and they waited. They did it the freaking legal way and we're all doing well. Okay. We came here the right way. Why does anybody get a pass, Piers? Why is it? Why is it? It's everybody. Okay. A sovereign nation gets to pick who stays and who leaves. And just a quick, fun little fact, Piers, because nobody likes to talk about facts. Did you know that murder is down 20 % the most it's ever been in one year?

33:21Why is that, Piers? Fentanyl overdose, heroin overdose. There's so many percentages that are down, and everybody, I think it was the New York Times was like baffled. They're like, what could this be? How could it happen? This is what the real Americans voted for, Pierce. And I'm sorry, Obama, I saw a video today from 2013 where he goes, hey, kids are getting taken away. It looks bad on camera and X, Y, Z, but hey, it has to be done, Pierce. It has to be done. Yes, it's hard. Yes, it sucks. And you're talking about jobs. How many jobs are those illegals taking from Americans, Pierce? How much money?

33:54Well, how many jobs? Well, hang on.

33:55Piers Morgan:Vinny, Vinny, how many jobs are they taking that Americans don't want to do? Would be my question. Okay, Pierce, guess what? Americans will step up and do the damn job. Okay, Pierce, that's just an excuse. And the one thing I want to say, Pierce, the one thing I want to say, and I'll give it back to you, when I said, why Minnesota? Is it weird? Nick Shirley, a 23-year-old kid, exposed almost$10,$9 billion of fraud. The majority was in the Somali community. And then all of a sudden, all this is happening to distract everybody, Piers. This is all these awesome Somalis that are coming here that are robbing the American taxpayer blind.

34:35Anybody, Piers, anybody that is here illegally. And I love that Jillian made the point. The system's broken, meaning for the process. Trump's at fault because he's going through with the law. He's going through with exactly what the law says. I voted for it. 77 million people voted for it. We are tired, tired of everybody going, oh, you guys are evil for wanting people gone. What's happening in the UK, Piers? What's happening in Italy and Germany? Okay? They're all crying now. Oh, wow, because Keir Starmer and everybody's letting you guys get invaded by all these freaking people. Okay? America stays strong.

35:09Yes, we let people come in here, Piers, but enough is enough, bro. Enough is enough, okay? Get everybody out, leave, come back in the league away. What's so wrong about saying that? What's so wrong about saying that? Come, there's a line. There's a line. All right. Rinse knows that greatness takes time, but so does laundry. So Rinse will take your laundry and hand deliver it to your door expertly cleaned. And you can take the time pursuing your passions. Time once spent sorting and waiting, folding and queuing, now spent challenging and innovating and pushing your way to greatness. So pick up the Irish flute or those calligraphy pens or that daunting Beef Wellington recipe card and leave the laundry to us.

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35:54Piers Morgan:I'm going to ask Lewis. Lewis, you know, when I want to work and live in America, I've got a home in LA. When I want to, you know, every three years, I apply for a visa. It costs me several thousand dollars, the process. I do it all completely legally. I get all the documentation, all the paperwork, I go to all the interviews, and then, thankfully, for the last 20 years, my visa gets renewed and I get to continue living and working in the United States. And what a lot of people who are there, who live in America as citizens, or who have come in and become, you know, green card holders, citizens, whatever you want to say, they say to me, well, why am I going through all this?

36:38Piers Morgan:Why am I doing things the legal way, as Vinny said? Why am I doing things properly and spending money doing it when people can just waltz in over the border and then if they get there, we have to keep them? I completely agree with that. And I agree, let me say entirely explicitly, I agree with Donald Trump. I also agree with Bernie Sanders, who both say if you don't have a border, you don't have a country. I completely agree with that. And I think that's entirely essential as long as you have a nation state. The question is, I'm sure we can all agree on that in principle, The question then, of course, becomes, what about the people who are here already?

37:11And although I think there will be universal agreement that certainly anybody who is a criminal ought to be deported, anyone who commits crimes, there are just practical questions that go beyond the theory. For example, what happens when you have got someone who is brought over undocumented as a child? They might have been in the United States or the UK for that matter or anywhere for 5, 10, 15, 20 years. They may have got married. They themselves may have had children who are themselves citizens. As a matter of practicality, what do you do about those? Do you want to be the sort of country which sends someone who has lived and contributed and paid taxes for decade after decade back to a country that they know not at all?

37:48It's all very well talking about this stuff in theory. It's about, in reality, what you do in practice, which is precisely why there needs to be immigration reform. But just two points of facts on something that Vinny had said. One is with regards to the UK. There is no invasion of the UK. We're talking about a certain number of irregular migrants. I know this is a sort of obsession with MAGA in terms of what they think is going on in the UK and the misinformation that they see. Yes, there have been too many people that have arrived over the English Channel and the successive governments, Conservative and Labour, both of those governments are doing something about it.

38:19More and more of those people are being deported through the proper legal processes. And with regards to why Minnesota and why Minneapolis, why would it be, if this were just a matter of enforcing the border and deporting illegal migrants, Why would it be that you would flood ICE agents into a... the Twin Cities, which have probably, it's estimated, between 90 ,000 and 100 ,000 illegal migrants of that massive number that you just said? How could it be that you would have more ICE agents in Minneapolis than you have local police officers? This isn't just about immigration. This is about the politics of fear against a blue state and against a blue set of cities.

38:58That's why it's not happening in Texas. That's why it's not happening in red states. It's about a show of political force as much as anything else. OK, but the argument, Jillian, of course...

39:08Piers Morgan:OK, but the argument, of course, Jillian, from the other side is, it was the blue states that were helping to fuel the invasion in the first place, right? They were the ones who didn't care that millions and millions of people were coming in. And Elon Musk has repeatedly said that he believes the motivation for the Democrats and the blue states and the blue presidencies, the motivation in leaving the border so open was that the majority of people who came in illegally that way would be so grateful that they would end up voting Democrat. And therefore, you would change the demographic layout, if you like, of the United States in elections forever in a way that went slanted Democrat.

39:52Well, you also see it, if in theory, right, if this theory is true that Elon Musk is putting forward, What he's suggesting is that it also games the apportionment map, because it doesn't matter if the population in your state is documented legally or not. The more people you have, the more congressmen you get or congresspeople that you get, the more electoral college votes you get. California has had a pretty massive outmigration of citizens, I think one and a half million in the last couple of years. But they've also gotten an influx of people who are undocumented. So it's created a parallel.

40:28Now, again, having said that, I can understand why people on the right are like, hey, this is creating shadow economies. They're paying this guy less to do that job, and I would do it. If he wasn't here, I'd get paid more. Maybe it's true. Maybe it isn't, right? Hey, I'm paying all these tax dollars, and I'm hearing that they're getting health care in California and interest-free loans and all of this stuff that I'm not getting, and I'm a tax-paying citizen, and they're not. and it creates huge resentment. Then you have people that did, like Vinny, like you, who went through the process and did everything right, like you, Piers, and they're like, hey, no, no, no, no, no, they don't get a pass, this isn't fair.

41:08But then, as you were just suggesting, what are we going to do? This is almost like a gun debate. You want to remove guns from America? We got 400 million floating around, how are you going to get them out? At some point, what should be is irrelevant with regard to what is. And this is why, again, I cannot say it enough, I think that this dignity bill gives everyone what they want. If you came in illegally, you can have legal status, you pay back taxes, you pay a fine, but you're not a citizen. You can't vote. You can't work here illegally. It removes these shadow economies. It gives kids that were brought here a path to citizenship.

41:43It prevents criminals from being in the country. It forces the state government and the federal government to work together. Like, I just, guys, you're all right in large part. But what do we do about it? Can everybody on this panel work towards... Look at this legislation. Work towards moving something like this forward. How can we stop finger-pointing? We're tearing each other apart, and this is what they want. Both sides want this shit, because the more we fight with each other, the more it rallies both sides of the base.

42:18Piers Morgan:Yeah, I agree with that. Let's just end with a simple question, and I'll start with you, Julian. Should Alex Peretti have been shot? Of course not. Of course not. Lewis? Of course not. It was grotesque. Mark? Of course not. It's an absurd idea. Vinny? He absolutely should not have been shot, Piers, and he shouldn't have been brainwashed to show up to a freaking federal situation with a gun, regardless of what his intention is holding the camera, period. God rest his soul. Pierce, literally, you know who I am. I'm a Christian. God rest his soul. He shouldn't have been there, and he shouldn't have been brainwashed to go in there and interfere with federal law enforcement.

43:03We're not awesome. Just to be clear, real quick, Pierce.

43:06Piers Morgan:I would caveat that by saying that I think he would argue, if he was still with us, that he was exercising his rights to the First and Second Amendment. That's totally fine. And that's totally fine. But the interesting part, the interesting, but let's not, let's not really get all that. I think the interesting thing is all four of you agree he shouldn't have been shot. And if we start from that position. No, but we're not starting from the same place here. That's my point. We're not. We're not. Three of us are saying he shouldn't have been shot because the police did something wrong. And one of us is saying he shouldn't have been shot because he shouldn't have been dumb enough to show up there with a gun in protest.

43:42And so Mark, Mark, Mark, cause I know he wants to end. Mark, why was he there? Mark, why was he there? Why was he there? I'll answer your question. I'll answer your question as long as you let me finish my sentence first. I haven't interrupted you one time. Go on. So what I'm saying is that I have a critique of the officers and their behavior. If you show up with a gun to a place where you're allowed to have a gun, and then the gun gets taken from you before you're shot, and you never brandish the gun, you never threaten the officers with the gun, then I'm putting the blame on the police officers.

44:08You can always look at someone's actions to say if they had done, like the butterfly effect, and say, had he not done this, that would not have happened. I'm not disagreeing with that. But the question here is, what is his legal right? And what is his moral right? He has a legal right to be there. He had a moral right to be there. He had an ethical right to be there. And what the police did was absolutely horrific. And so while the three of us are saying, yes, he shouldn't have been shot, and you're saying the same thing, you're still blaming him for his own death, ultimately. And that's the part I find repugnant.

44:34I... I... I... I... I... I... I... I... I... I'm not... Mark, you're... One... One... Mark, Mark, I'm with you, brother. 1 ,000%. First Amendment, Second Amendment, all that stuff. who told this guy that going to ICE and interfering with them legally taking an illegal out of this freaking country was the right thing to do. It was Tim Walz. And he didn't say just go there and protest. He said get in their faces and he called them the Gestapo. Mark, they're rallying the freaking troops for a reason. And 70%, 70 % of these arrests, of these illegals, have criminal histories. Let's just not just crossing the border.

45:1270%. And I know it sucks, Mark. 30 % are just people like, hey, you're illegal. You got to go too. But I'm not blaming anybody. If you show up there, Mark, you show up. You're responsible for your actions. And then when something happens where you have a gun on your hip with people running around, I'm sorry, Mark. These things come with the territory, brother. On that basis, hang on. I wish. Do you know what?

45:36Piers Morgan:I think we've actually reached a place where I finally made some progress in my campaign to stop 70 Americans carrying guns. Vinny and Shana has now endorsed my view that America would be a lot safer if fewer of you walked around strapped with guns. I've got there. It's happened. Thank you, Vinny. That's true. It's a long way from that petition to have been deported. No, he just wants his people with guns. I know I thanked him earlier, but I love how all of us could sit here. We could all talk. We could all debate. We could all respect each other. I want to say thank you again. And, Piers, I think I mentioned it before.

46:18I think your wife will be okay. For you to be able to come in the country and never have to deal with this drama, I'll marry you. We won't do any funny stuff. Just to get you papers to cover. That's how much I love you. You can do so much better, Piers. Vinny? You can do so much better. You know what, Vinny? Actually, I don't think I could. No, Mark. Mark, I won't go. Are you offering, Marcus?

46:35Piers Morgan:Life with Vinny. I think Marcus is offering. Life with Vinny. Life with Vinnie O'Shanna would never be dull. Would never be dull. Thank you all very much. You would be carrying a gun with me. Well, I interviewed my brother earlier, actually, yesterday, and he was one of the crack shots in the British Army, so it's not like my family have an aversion to guns. In fact, some of them are very, very good with guns. He just preferred to do it on a battlefield. Thank you all very much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. Thank you, Piers. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me.

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