“Trump Has UNLEASHED” US And Israel ATTACK Iran | With Mike Pence & Naftali Bennett

22:56Naftali Bennett:Well, she responded by claiming I'm sharing jihadi propaganda. I'm talking about dead American soldiers. So do you apologize or not?

23:03Piers Morgan:Okay.

23:05Naftali Bennett:May I respond? Goldie, quick response. Thank you. So we were laughing at Chank's bizarre anti-Semitic tropes about how Israel is responsible for every single incident that happens in the war. We were not laughing at American soldiers. And you actually edited the video. You edited the video. So there you go. Everyone knows that you're lying. You're a laughingstock. You're a joke. Everyone can go back and watch the full episode for Pierce's show. Right. The only ones who were respecting General Wesley Clark were myself and... Okay, you know what?

23:38Piers Morgan:Look, Anna, you said your piece about Goldie. She's responded. Let's get back to the bigger picture, which I'm sure the other panellists would prefer us to do, your response to Mike Pence, but both on the moral argument, because I do think that there are lots of people I know, including many on the left, who can understand a moral argument for getting rid of what has been a ruthless, bloodthirsty, vile regime that has caused terror, not just to its own people, but to the wider world, but hesitate about whether this is the legal thing to do. So I don't think it's just people on the right saying, go, go, go.

24:14Piers Morgan:People on the left saying, well, I'm glad he's gone. I'm glad the Ayatollah's gone. I'm glad a lot of the top leadership have gone. But I'm not sure that this is legal and the precedent being set is very dangerous.

24:26Naftali Bennett:My view of this current war against Iran is that Iran did not pose a threat to the United States. Their ballistic missiles did not have the capability to reach the United States. And the notion that this was all about Iran's weapons was a lie from the very beginning. This is about a regime change war on behalf of Israel. Israel would like to be the hegemon in the Middle East. And the United States is spilling blood and basically using its treasure to help Israel build an empire that I guarantee you will turn around and, well, we'll suffer the consequences of that at some point. But we're suffering the consequences of it right now.

25:07Naftali Bennett:I mean, the first thing Israel did is strike an Iranian girl's school, killing 175 people. That's according to the New York Times, which typically likes to bury the wrongdoings of the Israeli government and military. I don't see this as a just war. I don't think that President Donald Trump has a plan for what happens following the slaughter of the Ayatollah or the destruction of the Iranian regime. In fact, he has said as much. He said it is not the U.S.'s job to figure out who leads Iran next, which means that there will be a power vacuum. And we know how that plays out in other countries where we've done similar things.

25:45Naftali Bennett:And in regard to Syria, let's not mistake what actually happened in Syria. OK, the Obama administration began arming al-Qaeda terrorists, al-Qaeda terrorists who actually fought our soldiers in Iraq. And now we have a supposedly former al-Qaeda terrorist as a leader of Syria. We didn't do good things in the Middle East, including in Syria. So Mike Pence is a complete and utter joke in what he said during that interview.

26:12Piers Morgan:OK, Jonathan Conrickers, just first off, the attack on the school or the explosion at the school that caused so many deaths, particularly of young girl students, there does seem to be, at the moment, ongoing confusion about exactly what has happened there. The school was next to one of the Revolutionary Guard bases. It used to be part of the base until recently, apparently several years ago, it was sort of separated from the base. And depending on which report you see, but none of them appear to be definitive. This was either an Israeli stroke American missile that caused this to happen, or it could have been an interception by the Revolutionary Guard, or it could have been indeed a missile, as some have claimed, fired by the Revolutionary Guard that hit the school by mistake.

27:04Piers Morgan:We don't seem to know for sure yet. Do you have any intelligence that can 100 % verify what's happened there?

27:11Naftali Bennett:No, I've been asked in various fringe networks and I've done a lot of interviews over the last two days and two and a half days. And, you know, that topic comes up when someone is grasping to try to undermine the American and Israeli operation against the regime because it is a relatively convenient tool to use. Usually it's not by people who have compassion for civilians, for Iranian schoolgirls or for Iranians in general. But it's usually for people who have something either against President Trump and his policies or very often against the state of Israel. So I've looked into it. And so far, kind of a messy situation where I can't really make sense of what happened, whether it's Israel or the U.S.

28:03Naftali Bennett:who struck, or whether it's some type of a false flag operation by the IRGC. I wouldn't be surprised in any of the options. It could be an American or an Israeli strike at a proper military target that happened to be too close or co-located within or next to a school. And it could be something that was cooked up by the IRGC, specifically for the purposes of having something to clutch at and having something to feed international media to show allegedly wrongdoing. I put that into stark contrast with, you know, very deliberate actions of the Iranian regime when they are firing at seven or eight sovereign countries in the region and they're firing at almost exclusively civilian targets.

28:54Naftali Bennett:They're firing at cities in Israel. They're firing, of course, cities, and we already have 11 civilian casualties confirmed. all of them civilian, none of them military, most of them women and children, one elderly man. They've been killed in various incidents where Iranian missiles have exploded in Israeli cities. We have confirmed deaths in the UAE, in Saudi Arabia, in Kuwait, and a lot of incoming missiles on Cyprus, Jordan, and other locations. And, of course, we could speak about this incident, And I'm sure that many people who have issues with Israel would want this to be the story. They would want one errant attack or one unexplained situation to be the headline because it supports the agenda.

29:43Naftali Bennett:These are, by the way, the same people who, when Iranians were marching in the streets and being gunned down by the Iranian regime, we didn't hear a lot of them speak about what was going on. and we didn't hear a lot of those people who now allegedly care about the Iranian schoolgirls speak about the atrocities of the regime. And it is the typical hypocritical position of so many people. It only depends on who has allegedly done the killing. Doesn't matter who was killed and how this can be cynically and politically used. We all know that there's one country that seems to have an affinity for slaughtering children, and that country is Israel.

30:21Naftali Bennett:But anyway, that's actually Iran, dear Anna.

30:25Piers Morgan:That's actually the Republic of Iran.

30:27Naftali Bennett:Right.

30:27Piers Morgan:OK, we also know, I think, from what's happened in Gaza, it is prudent to get to actual facts before we pass too censorious judgment. And I prefer to do that because I think if we don't, that way madness lies. As we're talking, General Kim, President Trump has told the New York Post that he's not ruling out sending US crown troops into Iran if they were necessary. He said Operation Epic Fury was way ahead of schedule by taking out dozens of Tehran's top officials. He said, quote, I don't have the yips with respect to boots on the ground. There were, like every president says, there'll be no boots on the ground.

31:07Piers Morgan:I don't say that. I say probably don't need them or if they were necessary. He also told CNN earlier today that the big wave in the conflict is yet to materialise, indicating the US has not yet begun to strike Iran forcefully and suggesting more significant action is imminent. So where do you feel we are with this, General Kim, and how precarious would it be for the US to commit boots on the ground? I talked earlier to Vice President Pence about the parallels here with Iraq back in 2002-03, where committing boots on the ground turned out really historically to be a disaster. Could we be sleepwalking our way into another disaster here?

31:55Naftali Bennett:Well, first of all, I hope there's a little civility while I'm answering the questions. First of all, as one of those boots that walked on that ground in Iraq in 2003, I think that nobody wants to see us repeat the mistakes of that operation. And for that matter, as we look forward to whatever emerges from this situation in terms of the government, I certainly hope we don't count on the expatriates to come in and solve the problem for us. But look, I think it's important to understand we didn't do regime change. It's highly unlikely we're going to do regime change. What the president has said in so many words is we are doing a leadership decapitation, as Israel did with Hezbollah.

32:43Naftali Bennett:And he said to the Iranian people, I'm opening the door for you. You've got to figure out what to do after that. So where we are on the operation now, we've hit about 10 ,000 targets. We've got a lot of work to do. But at the end of the day, we can't get mission creep in this operation. Seen it, been there, done it. We ought to stick to our end state that we're seeking, which is no nukes, no ballistic missile program of any size, and no proxies. Because that was our end state at the negotiating table, and the negotiations failed. We shouldn't be changing our objectives just because we're using military force.

33:29Naftali Bennett:The purpose of this military force is to get back to the negotiating table and finally get what three presidents, ever since we've discovered the nuclear program, has tried to get. Now, the fact remains is it's highly unlikely that we're going to see that anytime soon. And the only way we're going to get the Iranians back to the negotiating table for those purposes is through strong use of force. And look, you ask, why now? And the very simple answer is, and legally a preemptive strike meets our conditions. Do you want to be facing across from that negotiating table a nuclear armed Iran with long range ballistic missiles?

34:19Naftali Bennett:better to do this now.

34:23Piers Morgan:And just before I go to Glenn Greenwald, when I spoke to Vice President Pence, we talked about the parallels with Iraq, and he was quite scathing about Prime Minister Starmer's reluctance to get involved at the first stage of this operation, refusing to allow Americans to use the bases, the UK bases and so on. What is your view of that? Because it did seem a marked departure in the normal practice of the UK to allow American forces to do that. Did you think that was a mistake by the UK Prime Minister?

35:00Naftali Bennett:I just, Piers, you and I have been around a long time. We went through Iraq together. The fact is, I think that Starmer just did not want to be referred, as Tony was, as the British poodle. So I think what he wanted to do is give it a little bit of time, make it look like this is an independent decision of his, rather than being, we do have a special relationship, but we're not tied at the hips, and Britain is not a proxy for the United States. We knew, particularly if the Iranians started firing back, that Britain would come in the way that the Saudis and the Emiratis have come in. And one last comment.

35:43Naftali Bennett:Please quit using the tropes on American soldiers. I've had to bury seven American soldiers. They went into the battlefield. How is it a trope? How is it a trope? How is it a trope to see American soldiers die on behalf of Israel's wars? How is that a trope? Explain that to me. He's dying on behalf of Israel. I'm not going to dignify that. Let me read you. Let me read you what Israeli media has been saying. So American soldiers came under friendly fire in Kuwait. I don't know if any of them have died. Hopefully none of them have died. But on Channel 12, Niv Raskin said this. We need to emphasize this is an incident involving American forces and not, heaven forbid, an incident involving Israeli forces.

36:31Naftali Bennett:And why is he representative of anything, Anna? Who makes him representative of anything? This is a huge figure in Israeli media saying this out loud. He's not a huge figure. He's a talking head on a morning show. is totally okay, I guess. Well, okay.

36:46Piers Morgan:I want to bring in... I would like... I would like... Hang on, hang on. I would like him to answer my question.

36:51Naftali Bennett:Why is that considered a trope? Why is it considered a trope to be concerned about American soldiers during these endless, nonsensical wars? Why is that considered a trope? How many times have you gone to Arlington and paid your respect to American heroes? I'm not talking to you, Conriquez, you terrorist piece of crap. I'm talking to the general. Okay. Tell me why that's considered a trope. Please keep the homonym down. How many times have you honored the memory of former American soldiers? Why is it considered a trope? Answer the question. Can I bring some order to this, please?

37:17Piers Morgan:Judge Jonathan, let me conduct the panel, please, because Glenn's been waiting very patiently. Before I come to you, Glenn, and I will give you plenty of time to speak, I can promise you that. General, just explain why you consider that to be a trope. And secondly, I was really struck by this friendly fire incident because I can't remember. I'm sure you will be able to correct me here. But has it ever happened before that three American fighter jets have all been downed in a friendly fire incident, apparently here by Kuwaiti forces by mistake as they went over Kuwaiti airspace? Can you remember three American fighter jets going down in friendly fire in one incident?

37:59No.

38:01Naftali Bennett:And I'm sure those Kuwaiti soldiers that fired those shots will remember that for the rest of their lives. Luckily, none of the soldiers, none of the airmen were killed. They got out of their aircraft alive and relatively unhurt. We call it the fog of war. Yeah.

38:22Piers Morgan:And in relation to the...

38:23Naftali Bennett:Why is it a trope?

38:24Piers Morgan:...that you think it's a... I think, be fair to Anna Kasperin, just answer her question, why you view that as a trope, what she said.

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39:13Naftali Bennett:What is the trope? You can't answer it, right? I'll tell you why. Being concerned about Americans dying on behalf of this ridiculousness is apparently a trope. Everything that offends is real trope. You're a total hypocrite. That's what you are. You're a total hypocrite.

39:24Piers Morgan:Listen, the general's chosen not to respond. That's his right. I want to go to Glenn. Glenn, you've been waiting very patiently. Thank you. Look, this is a story that's a lot of passions are going to run very high here. You know, I don't have all the answers to what I think is going to happen here. It does, to me, bring back a lot of bad memories from the Iraq war, you know, which was started in many people's eyes. He perpetrated it for the best of intentions. Saddam was a bad guy, doing bad things to his people, killing many of them, running a ruthless regime, possessing weapons of mass destruction, and he had to be stopped.

40:00Piers Morgan:You know, I've been on this rodeo of rhetoric before, and it feels to me like we're on a very similar path now, but Iran is an altogether bigger and more difficult scenario than even Iraq was. You know, you've got 220 ,000 revolutionary guards, you have nearly a million regular army, you have many other paramilitaries, you know, hundreds of thousands more. This idea that America has, or Donald Trump has, that by doing these strikes, you're going to start a big revolution, amongst the people on the ground. They've got to get past one and a half million very heavily armed people that will try and stop them.

40:42Piers Morgan:And we saw recently they stopped 30 ,000 of them by killing them. So do you think that the mission here is even achievable? And do you think what has happened is legal?

40:54Naftali Bennett:I am glad, Pierce, that we started the segment with Mike Pence because he is an American elected official who voted for the Iraq war in 2002, 2003, continued to defend it for many years. And unlike many American politicians who did that, who ended up saying they regretted it or it was a mistake, Mike Pence to this very day believes that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. And everything that he said in justification and defense of this new war was exactly the things that he and all the other American leaders who wanted this war in 2002 and 2003 were saying then. But it's not just the Iraq war.

41:28Naftali Bennett:It's also exactly what happened in Libya. President Obama said, oh, don't worry, this isn't a regime change war. It's just to protect the people of Benghazi and that it ended up being a regime change war that destroyed Libya. It's what we did in Afghanistan where we were told, oh, we're just going in to get Osama bin Laden. And then 20 years later, our troops leave trillions of dollars spent, huge numbers of dead. And the Taliban march right back into power. And you can even go back to Vietnam where we relied into that war, lied through that war by many of the same people who telling us now that we have to do this.

41:57Naftali Bennett:It is astounding to me that somebody like Mike Pence or so many other people who lied to the public continuously, led our country into disastrous wars one after the next, are now just speaking as though none of it ever happened. It would be like as if a journalist, I publish eight or nine different fraudulent stories with fake quotes and fake sources. And the next day I woke up and said, oh, I know I did those things in the past, but I think I should still have credibility for you to listen to my reporting today, even though I did all of that. The other point I want to make is I want to ask Jonathan, because I mean, honestly, it is very, very difficult.

42:31Naftali Bennett:I have to confess, not just for me, but for the world as the poll show to listen to an Israeli official in an Israeli accent, give lectures on the need to have compassion for civilians after everything we just watched Israel do, vaporizing tens of thousands of people in Gaza all throughout the Middle East attacking countries. But since he is here, I do want to ask him, Jonathan, there's a lot of reports in mainstream Western press about how the IDF has built its primary military and intelligence structures, not just within key residential areas in Tel Aviv, but also underneath. Is it true that the IDF has built key military and intelligence targets within residential areas of Tel Aviv and beneath residential targets in Tel Aviv the way that the Western media has continuously reported?

43:19Naftali Bennett:Is that actually true? Yeah, I can give a relatively short and plain answer to it. Surprising question. I've read some of your reporting and you seem like an informed guy. but yes the idf headquarters referred to as the kirya is indeed located in tel aviv it is surrounded by civilian buildings and inside the headquarter not underneath civilians but underneath the headquarter itself is a bunker which is not a revolutionary concept of militaries And that bunker is a few stories below ground. Its name is indeed the Zion Citadel. And that is where some of the Israeli officers, generals conduct military operations from, I suppose.

44:11Naftali Bennett:Some of the strikes, if not all of the strikes that are ongoing in Iran today are managed from there. When Iran targeted that location, they've targeted it now. They have targeted it in the past, and Hezbollah has targeted it in the past, and so have many others. You actually never heard anybody in Israel, definitely not anybody official, say, you know, that isn't okay, and it's not a military target. It is a military target. We cannot move Tel Aviv out of the way, and the base is probably too big to move out of the way. And if it is hit, then it is on Israel, because it is a military target. But there is a very big difference here between doing that, having a properly marked and disclosed location, which is the IDF base, everybody knows that it's there, and doing what our enemies do, which is hide underneath and between the civilian population, disguised as civilians and using civilians as human shields.

45:17Naftali Bennett:There are no civilians above the base used as human shields. And there are no civilians that are told to be in a certain location so that our enemies won't strike. A, because that's a cowardly thing to do. Pierre, Pierre, can I just make one quick point? Can I just make one quick point about the moral aspect that we raised? You know, you said none of us should be mourning a vicious dictator. And the one thing, the two quick things I will say about that is, you know, we were told that about Saddam Hussein. We were told that about Muammar Gaddafi. Certainly in Libya, we were told, oh, Muammar Gaddafi said that's certainly a good thing.

45:53Naftali Bennett:What came after in Libya was some of the worst, most nightmarish dystopia that the world has seen in the past 50 years. Certainly far worse than what it had under Gaddafi. And I think a lot of this depends on what succeeds in Iran. Is it going to be this incredibly destroyed state, balkanized with anarchy, where ISIS and al-Qaeda can fill the power vacuum as they did with the invasion of Iraq? Is it going to be an even worse tyrant like the Shah of Iran was or some other worse militias and factions? And then the other point is it's a little bit hard to hear United States and Great Britain and other countries say, oh, we're doing this for the moral reason that we want to cleanse Iran of tyranny.

46:30Naftali Bennett:One of our closest allies and partners in that region that we prop up and give military technology and spying technology are at least as savage and brutal dictatorships as Iran is. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the Emiratis going throughout the rest of the world to Uganda, Rwanda. We love dictatorships. We prop up tyrannies all the time. I think it's very hard to make a moral case, especially as you're bombing civilian places all throughout Iran, that we somehow are doing this because we want to bring freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people, the Iranian people. The last time we did change the government in Iran, we imposed a horrific dictator on them for 20, 30 years called the Shah of Iran.

47:06Naftali Bennett:And now we want to do it with his son. So these moral questions are much more complex than is the Ayatollah a good or a bad guy?

47:14Naftali Bennett:We should have no moral reasons at all. Again, there was no morality in our negotiations last Thursday for no nukes, no missiles, and no proxies. And I don't think if we start getting into the moral regime change, everything you're describing, Glenn, if we're trying to get into another Iraq, that's the mission creep we don't want to see. We are now using the military force to achieve the end state that our negotiations weren't able to do. And candidly, I also agree with you that we shouldn't completely wipe out the leadership of the country. LBJ, Lyndon Baines Johnson once said he's an SOB, but he's our SOB.

48:01Naftali Bennett:We now have Darcy Rodriguez as one of our SOBs. We have Ahmed Alshara as one of our SOBs. Emmanuel Noriega in Panama was one of our SOBs. The fact remains is we ought to have a very limited mission, which is simply to use military force to compel Iran back to the negotiating table for them to give up their missiles, their nukes and their proxies. We can do it now. We won't be able to do it when they have a nuclear weapon. I wish everybody was candid as the general about the absence of a moral case here.

48:45Piers Morgan:Yeah, I agree with you. I thought it was quite refreshing. Let me go to Goldie Gamari. You've been waiting patiently. You were rolling your eyes at Glenn Greenwald there. Why?

48:55Naftali Bennett:You know, just this whole communist revisionist propaganda about the 1953 coup d 'etat. Mossad-Dir was a communist traitor. He was funded by the Soviets. The Shah of Iran was actually installed in 1941. That's when he ascended the throne. And, you know, everyone loves to talk about 1953, but no one ever talks about 1906 when we had the constitutional monarchy, sorry, the constitutional revolution, which led to the first democratically elected parliament of Iran. So as of 1906 up until 1979, Iran was a constitutional monarchy, very similar to England. In fact, Pierce, the Queen of England, visited Iran in the early 1960s for a 10-day state visit because that's how much the Shah of Iran and Queen Elizabeth were close friends.

49:45Naftali Bennett:With respect to what's happening today, first of all, I just want to say thank you to the United States. Thank you to Israel for everything that they're doing. We Iranians were so grateful And I can tell you that this has been One of the most amazing weekends Not just for me, but for Iranians in occupied Iran And around the world Hearing the news of the death of Khamenei That's like the equivalent of hearing the news of the death of Hitler It's just something that we have been waiting for for so long And all I can say is Thank you so much God bless America I'm Yisrael Chai We cannot wait until until Iran is free and we can welcome Americans and Israelis back to Iran with open arms and be the allies that we were prior to 1979.

50:33Piers Morgan:OK, Anna Kasperian, you know, everyone would love that to be the case. I think it's extremely difficult to get there, as we will probably see. Your colleague, Cenk Yuger, who you referenced at the top of the show, he did a tweet which even I recalled, I liked Cenk a lot, but he called the Ayatollah courageous because he hadn't gone on his knees to Israel. Did you agree? Do you think the Ayatollah, Khamenei, was a courageous man?

51:07Naftali Bennett:Well, he never capitulated to the Israelis, and we live under a government where, regardless of which party is in power, is on its knees on behalf of Israel. So I understand what he's talking about. He's talking about government leaders, a country's leader in the case of Iran. As much as I did not agree with the Ayatollah, I'm not a religious person and I certainly don't like extremism or supremacy of any kind. The fact of the matter is he didn't embarrass his people by getting down on his knees to pleasure Israel as our leaders here in the United States do. So I understand the point that he was trying to make.

51:47Naftali Bennett:And I think if you talk to a lot of Americans, they are embarrassed by the fact that our leadership rarely represents our best interests and seems to prioritize the best interests of Israel in every instance. And I think that what we're experiencing right now is a good example of that.

52:03Piers Morgan:But this is an Ayatollah who only a few weeks ago slaughtered 30 ,000 of his people to repress them from protesting.

52:11Naftali Bennett:That number's not confirmed, so you regurgitating it is very questionable, Pierce. Where'd you get that number from?

52:16Piers Morgan:Well, how many do you... Okay, well, how many do you think were killed?

52:21Naftali Bennett:We don't know the exact number. But to say that 30 ,000 people were slaughtered during those, like, short weeks is ridiculous to me. Iran has put out specific names of individuals who have been killed, and it's around 3 ,000. We don't know what the exact number is, but you really think 30 ,000 people were killed? You're not going to question that at all? 30 ,000?

52:42Piers Morgan:Well, I'm curious. If you don't think it's 30 ,000, how many do you think it was?

52:47Naftali Bennett:I don't know the exact number. No one knows the exact number. But you don't know the number. How do you know? Well, hang on. Hang on. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. I've said multiple times. No, I'm not going to hang on for a second. I've said multiple times. You are, actually. I don't agree or like the regime in Iran. Because I'm going to come back to you. That doesn't mean that it's untrue that they never capitulated to what Israel demanded of them. Whereas here in the United States, we literally spill blood and use our treasure on behalf of Israel. That's the point that Cenk was trying to make.

53:22Naftali Bennett:And I think it's a pretty accurate point.

53:25Piers Morgan:Okay, you can make that point. Hang on one second, please. I'm questioning the use of the word courageous about a ruthless, despotic monster. and I'm curious why you are so confident it's not 30 ,000 people who were killed but you have no idea how many people were killed. How can you be sure it wasn't 30 ,000? No, I don't.

53:46Naftali Bennett:I don't know how many people were killed. You don't know how many people were killed. Right, so you don't know it wasn't 30 ,000. The highest number you've heard is questionable to say the least. Especially when you know that Mossad was on the ground, there were armed terrorists on the ground, you know security forces were killed during those shootings. Look, the hyena's laughing again. Anyway, but to just regurgitate the number that is being perpetuated by the Israelis is ridiculous to me. We don't know the exact number. So rather than regurgitate it, we can say that there was a high casualty count.

54:16Naftali Bennett:We don't know the exact number. It's that simple.

54:19Piers Morgan:But you used to regurgitate the numbers. Hang on. Hang on one second. Hang on. Let me please let me finish. You did regurgitate, Anna, with respect, all the numbers given to you by the Hamas-run health authority of Palestinian casualties without any hesitation. Which is confirmed by the Israelis, Pierce. That was confirmed by the Israelis. You know that, right? They were broadly confirmed eventually. But my point is, you seem very, very keen. They were not. Because the Hamas-run health ministry is very, very careful. Here's my point. Anna, here's my point. I don't understand your apparent keenness to downplay the ruthlessness of the Ayatollah or Chenk's enthusiasm for calling this guy courageous.

55:06Naftali Bennett:I'm not downplaying it. I'm just not going to regurgitate Israeli propaganda as you're doing right now, Pierce.

55:11Piers Morgan:Pierce, can I have a word? Jonathan Comrickus. Yeah, Jonathan, yeah.

55:15Naftali Bennett:Yeah, I mean, since my country has been mentioned so many times by people of questionable moral backgrounds and motivations, I'd like to say a few things about my perspective. Oh, that's Rich coming from a guy who defends the slaughter, the mass slaughter of innocents. I didn't interrupt you. I didn't use bad language like a little girl like you did. So please stay in your lane. I didn't interrupt you and stay out of mind. Make your point. Hurry up. No, I don't have to hurry up and I don't take orders from you, Anna. And I would speak because you've spoken a lot and you've said a lot of nonsense and I want to give my perspective on what's going on.

55:51Naftali Bennett:Right. And it's ridiculous to frame this. No one's been able to debunk anything I've said, though. It is ridiculous to frame this as something that is whereby Israel is in the driving seat. This is an American-led operation. It is. Where there are clearly defined goals by the U.S. that serve U.S. strategic interest. That's one set of issues that is separate from the ones that is relevant to Israel. There's a lot of overlap. But here's the Israeli perspective. We live in our national homeland, which we have about 3 ,000 years of documented and archaeological history that connects us to it. Yet we are surrounded by about five or six different terrorist organizations that are funded by Iran, by the Islamic regime, who all operate against Israel, killing our civilians, harassing our people, infringing on our sovereignty, and all conniving and trying to bring about the destruction of the state of Israel.

56:51Naftali Bennett:These organizations, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, former Iranian proxies in Syria, the Houthis in Yemen, Iranian proxies in Iraq, are all funded by, orchestrated by, and armed by Iran. And the overarching idea is to annihilate the state of Israel. The Islamic Republic has an outspoken goal, which they have been pursuing for the better part of 30 years, to destroy the state of Israel. They're not just saying it. They are doing it and they have been enacting. They have been squandering the resources of the Iranian people. They have been mismanaging the funds of Iran, neglecting Iranian people, and they have been prioritizing militants and terrorists in Gaza, in Lebanon, in Judea and Samaria, in Syria, in Iraq, in Yemen and other places around the world.

57:42Naftali Bennett:Why? Because they have this feverish focus, this sick focus on Israel trying to destroy and annihilate the Jewish state. When Iranians say we want to destroy Israel, we listen to it and we take it with real value because we understand that they're serious. And I'll finish with this, Pierce. The motivation for Israel is we want to live in our homeland without Iranian terror organizations, without Iranian ballistic missiles and without Iranian nuclear weapons that are aimed at us. Does your homeland include the West Bank?

58:20Piers Morgan:Okay, let me... I'm going to come to you. Yes, most definitely. Our homeland includes Judea and Samaria.

58:25Naftali Bennett:And Gaza? Yes, if you're asking about Judea and Samaria, if you ask about Judea and Samaria, yes, that is part of the Jewish homeland. Right, which the whole world thinks is not yours, which the whole world believes is not yours. You're the expansionist state. You're the aggressor state. No, we're not expansionist at all. You're the terrorist state, and you're financed by the United States. We are a people that came back to our homeland. That's right. We were expelled from it, and we came back to our homeland. OK, don't talk. I don't think Jonathan, you've had to pay excuses.

58:50Piers Morgan:Jonathan, I gave you I gave you good time, Jonathan. I want to let Glenn finish with a response to what you just said. Glenn.

58:56Naftali Bennett:I mean, this is the victim mentality. The whole world is against us. We just want to be a peaceful country. The reality is it's not the position of the Iranian government that their borders should be expanded. It's the position of the Israeli government that their borders should be radically expanded, including into places and in ways that the United States government for decades under both Democratic and Republican leadership has said is a direct threat to American interests. Settlements in the West Bank, annexing the West Bank, moving into Gaza, bombing Lebanon, expanding into Lebanon. This is the fanatical, expansionist, nuclear-armed, dangerous power in the Middle East that the United States pays for, that American soldiers die for.

59:33Naftali Bennett:And this narrative used to be dominant in the West. But people have seen the true face of Israel and U.S. support for Israel over the past couple of years. And you see it in polling, not just in the United States, but around the world, that people see Israel and increasingly United States as the rogue countries that are the true danger to the world. As an American, I wish that weren't true. I'm doing everything possible in my power to change it. A lot of other people are as well. But that is the reality for now.

59:59Piers Morgan:Okay, Goldie, just very quickly, because we've run out of time, but Polymarket are predicting in relation to the question, will the Iranian regime fall by June the 30th? they currently have a 41 % chance with over$5 million in that market. That's a lot of money going down on this Iranian regime falling by the end of June. Do you share that optimism?

1:00:23Naftali Bennett:I mean, I don't really pay attention to Pali market, but I'm going to tell you, Piers, that I have a feeling that the Islamic regime is going to fall by the Persian New Year's spring equinox. That's my prediction, March 20th.

1:00:35Piers Morgan:And General Kim, what would be your quick response to that?

1:00:39Naftali Bennett:I don't think it's going to fall. Larajani has already said he's going to crack down. They brought back Wahidi, who founded the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Quds Force in 1988. At this point, there seems no fracturing in the IRGC or in the besiege. But it could happen. Things degrade. General, may I buy you a beer in Iran when it's free? When Iran is free, you have to owe me a trip to Iran so I can buy you a beer and tell you I told you so. I look forward to it. And nothing would make me happier than for Iran to be a civil society, democratic society that abides by human rights. This is a strong dictatorship.

1:01:25Naftali Bennett:And it's got a pretty strong. I would ask you, Goli, I wish it was the case. Tell me how we get the IRGC, the besiege, and the army to lay down their weapons. Well, many of them are already laying down their weapons. It's President Trump's peace through strength strategy. A lot of videos have actually come out today, General, showing a number of defections. And for those who do not want to lay down their weapons, the only option is to exterminate them. And we Iranians are very grateful that the United States and Israel are getting rid of all of these Islamic terrorists that have occupied our country for the last 47 years, because ultimately you cannot negotiate with terrorists who chant death to America and death to Israel.

1:02:12Naftali Bennett:So I think the strategy is fantastic. Goli, I hope you're right. I pray you're right. I would love to see that. I'm just a pessimist. That's okay, General. I've got to leave it there. You owe me a beer in terror.

1:02:25Piers Morgan:I think we'd all like a beer at the end of this if there was peace and prosperity for everyone involved. That would be a wonderful pipe dream. Sadly, I think we're a long way off that. But thank you all to my panel very much. I'm joined now by Naftali Bennett, the former Israeli prime minister. Naftali Bennett, welcome back to Uncensored.

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1:03:13Piers Morgan:A lot of people believe that what we're seeing here is the culmination of Benjamin Netanyahu's 40-year dream, which is the dismantling of the Iranian regime, and that it's more in Israel's interest than anybody else's, and that America has been sucked into supporting this, and that Already what we're seeing is a slightly out of control situation, which could, if we're not very careful here, lead to a full blown war in the Middle East. What is your response to that?

1:03:49Mike Pence:Does Donald Trump seem to you as someone who will be dragged into something he doesn't want to do?

1:03:57Piers Morgan:I would say knowing him, no. But I also think that Benjamin Netanyahu has clearly been very persuasive to Donald Trump. in the way that he has now gone after Iran. He's taken the, not the nuclear option, that would be too ironic, he's taken the maximum option he could take in terms of a full-blown attack on the Iranian regime. He's dismantled many of the top people, but he does beg the question, what does victory look like here?

1:04:30Mike Pence:Well, Israel doesn't drag anyone and allies don't drag each other into anything. allies work together towards a shared goal. And the goal is to remove Iran as a nuclear threat to the world. Unfortunately, after the June 12-day war, Iran resumed with full thrust, moving their nuclear facilities under a huge mountain called Piksak Mountain, which is way deeper than Fordow, and it's immune, immune to any sort of bomb. Not only that, they double down on production of ballistic missiles that can reach Israel, Europe, and later on intercontinental ballistic missiles that can reach the United States.

1:05:18Mike Pence:Listen, we listen to these people. We listen to what they say. They say that America is the big Satan, Israel is the small Satan. We want to annihilate you. And all that we're doing is not letting them achieve that. That's the whole thing. This is a matter of self-defense. If we had not acted now, later on, we could not act. And by then, Iran would have gone nuclear and had thousands of ballistic missiles.

1:05:48Piers Morgan:Is your position in Israel that every country should be properly transparent about their nuclear capability?

1:05:57Mike Pence:Our position is to not allow nations that explicitly say they want to annihilate another nation acquire a nuclear weapon.

1:06:08Piers Morgan:Right, but countries should be transparent about their nuclear capability.

1:06:14Mike Pence:I think the world needs to prevent from countries that have genocidal intent acquiring any sort of meaningful weapon, certainly not nuclear weapons.

1:06:26Piers Morgan:I think you're probably ahead of me here. I think you know why I'm asking you this. It's because Israel has never admitted whether it has itself got nuclear weapons. And I've always been quite baffled by this. I've asked Benjamin Netanyahu multiple times, has Israel got nuclear weapons? And he just doesn't answer. I mean, you're a former prime minister of the country. So let me ask you, does Israel have nuclear weapons?

1:06:50Mike Pence:Israel has always been clear that we're not going to be the first ones to introduce nuclear weapons to the region. But I want to be also very clear. Israel never has, never had, and never will have any intent on destroying other countries. It's really simple. If Iran, if Hezbollah, if Hamas decide to stop wanting to destroy our country, there will be no wars. We never want any war. All we're doing is trying to prevent others from destroying us. It's really that simple.

1:07:24Piers Morgan:Right, but my question is very simple, too. Does Israel have nuclear weapons?

1:07:30Mike Pence:I said Israel's policy has always been that we wouldn't be the first to introduce nuclear weapons. But I also want to say, Piers, that creating this sort of equality or equating us to any, to Iran or to someone who has our genocidal desires, it's false equivalence. But I'm not, though.

1:07:54Piers Morgan:I'm comparing you, well, let me compare you to the United States or the UK or countries like that that have nuclear weapons. They all tell people, yes, we have them, and here's how many we have. The only country in the world which doesn't answer the question. Although you do seem to be suggesting from your answer that Israel doesn't have them when most people believe you do. And I'm just curious why it's a question that causes such sort of weird ambiguity on behalf of Israel. Why, if everyone else should be transparent about nuclear capability and is transparent about it, Why does Israel get a pass?

1:08:32Piers Morgan:Why can't you just say, yeah, we have nuclear weapons and here's how many we've got?

1:08:38Mike Pence:As I said, we're not going to be the first ones to introduce. But I will say that no other country... Does that mean you don't have any? So, I believe, Piers, you're a very intelligent guy and you can ask it in 20 different ways. And all I can say is there's no other country on Earth that is so threatened by others. And I also want to say something. We're doing the work of the world, the hard, tough work of neutralizing genocidal regimes from acquiring nuclear weapons. Look at Iran right now. They've shot at the Saudis, at Bahrain, at the Emirates, at Kuwait, at Jordan, even at Cyprus in Europe.

1:09:21Mike Pence:They're shooting everyone that didn't even shoot them. So just imagine if now they had intercontinental ballistic missiles with a nuclear warhead. So instead of thanking Israel for doing this tough, thankless job, everyone's condemning us. So that's OK. We're used to being condemned by the world. But I will not apologize for defending the world and doing everyone else's hard job. We should be thanked, not condemned.

1:09:49Piers Morgan:What does victory look like for you in this war that has just been started?

1:09:57Mike Pence:Well, there's a bunch of options. The most basic one is Iran totally dismantled from its nuclear program and its ballistic missile program. However, there is an opportunity, and it's not up to Israel or America to define this. We are creating a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the wonderful people of Iran to rise up against the horrible genocidal regime, this religious regime that's been killing and terrorizing its own people. And we're creating the conditions for them to do it. Because right now, Israel and America, we're not only targeting nuclear and ballistic missile targets, we're also targeting the secret police, those guys who beat up women who don't cover their heads and Basij and IRGC.

1:10:46Mike Pence:And we're hitting them more and more and weakening the regime. So, if you will, the chains of oppression that are on the Iranian people are becoming weaker and weaker, but they'll have to sort of remove those chains and rise up. This is something we cannot guarantee. It's up to them to decide.

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