“Trump Is On That List!” Epstein Files VANISH + Idaho Murder Family & Danny Danon Interviews

21:12Piers Morgan:I mean, obviously, you've got a massive clash of two gigantic egos here and people used to get in their own way. Do you think, I can't see them really making up from this. I mean, Trump called him a train wreck last night. Elon's been hammering away, dismissing his big, beautiful bill as a total disaster that will bankrupt the country. It's very hard to see how they make up here, isn't it, Jack? Well, I would say never count anything out. I mean, you've seen President Trump be able to make friends or allies of rivals in the past, and he certainly has the ability to do so, sometimes even against the wishes of MAGA.

21:49But, you know, that's certainly his prerogative for Elon. you know, absolutely, he's got a track record of moving from one thing to the other. But if he sees perhaps a path forward from a business perspective, look, keep in mind, he's still got to deal with the government in terms of a lot of the contracts for his companies, in terms of Department of Defense, in terms of NASA, in terms of Tesla. So he's going to need a lot of this going forward, whether and I think whether they like it or not, they're stuck together. He was friends with Epstein. He'll be friends with Elon. What was that? He was friends with Epstein.

22:20I'm sure he can be friends with Elon Musk. He actually helped Epstein be prosecuted. He was the only person who was involved. Kicked him out of the Epstein. You know all this. Like, it's just a very silly thing. Have you heard of Alexander Acosta, the Florida district attorney who was... Have you heard of Alexander Acosta? You know who that is? You're like, oh, look at me. Like, I'm the guy from Third Eye. Do you know who Alexander Acosta is? No, no, no. You were duped to cover up sexual abuse of children. Donald Trump was... Kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago. Donald Trump was the only one who went to investigators and said, I will work with you against Epstein.

22:49This has been litigated a million times. It's been litigated a million times.

22:54Piers Morgan:First of all, Brian, I'll come to you, but Adam, just explain what you're talking about. Yeah, really quickly, Alexander Acosta was a Florida district attorney. You can look this up. He knew both Trump and Epstein. He was appointed as a secretary of labor under Trump and had to resign in 2017 because people found out that he mishandled the Epstein case in 2007 and let Epstein get an illegal plea deal. Epstein was then able to go re-offend, and Trump appointed him in 2017. So I don't want to hear the dude that was brought to the White House to cover up sexual abuse saying that there was like, what are you trying to say here?

23:27Yeah. You're going to wipe your face. Can you just wipe that little thing off your face there a little bit? You got a little mud on your face. You have no points. Can I add something? First of all, I hear the MAGA. I hear the MAGA bullshit detector going off every single time Jack opens his mouth. First of all, people like Jack were the people who called Joe Biden a pedophile for sniffing hair. But yet we have We have Jeffrey Epstein on tape calling Donald Trump his best friend. They were hanging out together constantly. I've spoken to Jeffrey Epstein's brother many times. They were very close.

23:59I'm not done yet. Jack, Jack, Jack. We can go through all this again, but I know you've done this a million times. Jack, I'm not done yet. I didn't interrupt you. You've been a real reporter on this. These guys just want to play politics. I'm trying to be serious here. Jack, Jack, Jack. Dude, you were at the White House with Epstein's house in your hand. Yeah, I just talked about it. Right, exactly, Jack. Jack, you want to defend Donald Trump and wear the Donald Trump knee pads 24-7, but when it comes to a Democrat, they're all pedophiles. But if Donald Trump is actually hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, and Epstein calls him his best friend...

24:27Do you have a source on that, bro? No, because the Pambani was all these sources. Actually, yeah, I do. The Maxwell trial, where it was learned that he was on the Epstein flight... Why don't you listen? It was in the trial, in the Maxwell trial, that he was on the flight log seven times. We have Jeffrey Epstein on audio calling him his best friend. So here's my question to Jack. Jack, if Jeffrey Epstein was on audio. And how many times did Jeffrey Epstein say that he was one of the founding members of the Clinton Institute? I don't defend it. Jack, Jack, if Jeffrey Epstein was on audio saying that Joe Biden was his best friend, that wouldn't concern you at all?

25:06All you do is deflect and you talk about other people. Do you guys have anything new? I mean, my line is about the Epstein.

25:13Piers Morgan:But my line about the Epstein circle of famous friends is to me that there's a clear line before his initial conviction, which was a complete stitch up in his favor. No question of that. Jack, why won't they release the files then? Well, hang on. Hang on, Brian. Hang on, Brian. The point I'm going to make is I do think if you continue to be a friend of Epstein, knowing he was a convicted pedophile after whatever it was, 2009 or so, as Prince Andrew did, for example, then I'm afraid that is seriously problematic. For those who were in his circle, a wide circle of well-known people, from Bill Gates to Trump to all these Bill Clinton, he hooked in everybody.

25:57Piers Morgan:But a lot of them had nothing to do with him, including Trump, I believe, after that conviction. But if you carried on seeing him as Andrew did, living at his house for a few days, years later, knowing he was a convicted pedophile, that is different. I mean, do we agree? Yeah. Who says Halloween only lasts one day? With Wayfair, one night of Halloween becomes a whole season at home. From larger-than-life yard decor and moody lighting to festive accents for every room in the house, Wayfair has what you need to make Halloween feel like magic all in one place. Because the best Halloween memories aren't made in just one night.

26:34They're made all season long. Shop Halloween decor now at Wayfair.com. That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R dot com. Wayfair, every style, every home. I think that's all been really good. I certainly agree with what you're saying, Pierce, and your point there. But the point that I'm trying to make is there has to be a reason why they're not releasing the files. Why are they being so mum? Why is the list just magically disappeared? And I think one can come to a very logical conclusion, unless you're Jack and you defend Donald Trump 24-7, that maybe there might be something to do with the fact that Trump might be in these files, and there might be some wrongdoing there, considering the fact that they were at one point best friends.

27:17Piers Morgan:Well, they've certainly gone as an administration from full bore, we're going to reveal everything, and it's really shocking, and there's going to have to be accountability. I mean, I had them on my show. They've gone from that position to suddenly, no, there's nothing mysterious about his death. He definitely killed himself. Here's the CCTV footage. And there is no client list. And none of that is right. And actually, you know what? It's all over. And it is odd. I mean, John... Pierce. Again, John, you know, with your intelligence hat on, does this... I mean, do you smell a rat here? Does this look like there's been a little bit of a closing of ranks to shut this up?

27:59Yes, I do smell a rat. And I'd like to know why no one in the media is talking about the investigation or the fact that there should have been an investigation into whether or not Jeffrey Epstein was working for a foreign intelligence service.

28:13Piers Morgan:So that's really interesting. So you've studied into this. What is the evidence that he might have been? he is the a textbook example of an of an access agent you're like i said the last time i was on the show pierce you're not going to recruit bill clinton you're not going to recruit bill gates you're not going to recruit alan dershowitz but you can recruit someone who gets close to those people you can give them something that you can hold over their heads if you have to in the end and then you report back to your handlers everything that they say. And in exchange, you get untold wealth and a house in the Caribbean and the biggest townhouse in Manhattan and a private plane.

28:56And that's a pretty good life, especially if you're a pedophile and you enjoy doing things like that. And nobody's talking about whether or not he was an access agent.

29:06Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, that's really interesting. I mean, does the intelligence community believe that there is merit to that suggestion? Yes, it does. It does. But the problem here is the accusation is that he was an access agent for the Israelis. And that's something that the intelligence community really doesn't like to touch. Why? Because we have this special relationship with Israel, not like a five eyes relationship like we have with the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, but this special relationship where we share so much, we provide so much. We work with the Israelis on issues all around the region, at least around the world and on a handful of issues.

29:47Why upset the balance over one dead pedophile? Isn't it easier just to cover it up? Brian, what do you think of that? I believe that Jeffrey Epstein surrounded himself with a lot of powerful people. It is very, very possible that he could have been working for a government agency. Very, very possible as well. I would tend to agree with the fact that this needs to be investigated more. The media needs to talk about it more. And I don't think this is just a situation where Jeffrey Epstein was getting people to come on his island and sadly do horrible things to young girls. I think there's a lot more to this story.

30:28I think there's a lot of people hiding a lot of information. So I certainly agree with what he just said.

30:33Piers Morgan:I mean, Jack, one of the conspiracy theories I've seen online a lot in the last few days is it's not a coincidence that Netanyahu is coming to the White House, that he's been there, I think, three times in the last few months. He has a much better relationship with Trump now than they did when he pissed Trump off by going to see Biden and so on. And suddenly the Epstein files disappear. If you were working as a conspiracy theorist and you bought into the idea that he was some kind of agent for the Israelis, which is not completely implausible, given all the connections he had. And no, has there been some tacit agreement with Netanyahu to get rid of this problem?

31:18Piers Morgan:I mean, stranger things have happened. I think the perception is horrible. I think the perception is absolutely horrible. And it puts a huge, huge onus on the entire administration and certainly coming from Pam Bondi for her mismanagement of this. I want to go back to something that John was saying as well, but Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert. So Robert Maxwell is someone who's highly fingered in a lot of these conspiracies or a lot of these allegations. His entire career, there were allegation after allegation that he was involved somehow with Israeli intelligence going all the way back even to the 1940s and serious questions about some of the work that he did all the way through this.

32:02And then, of course, as it goes, she becomes the recruiter for Epstein. And so these questions have really gone deeper and deeper and deeper. And of course, there's no actual evidence or, you know, just hearing of the evidence or release of the evidence, release of the file, a task force, even a press conference, you know. And instead we get, oh, well, we're just going to move on. And here's a press release on a, you know, on a Sunday night when it's, you know, it's a holiday here in the US.

32:27Piers Morgan:Yeah, it is. I mean, Adam, it is just a bit weird. I can't quite get my head around this because they were so emphatic that this was going to be huge. And now it's nothing. It's not like even mini-huge. It's nothing. There's nothing to see here. Yeah, and to build on that, I can't tell if it would be worse if this was a cock-up or a conspiracy. Because if it's a cock-up, that means they were straight up lying to the American people the entire time about what they actually had, right? Or if it's a conspiracy, that means they have it and they hid it the entire time. I mean, either way, it looks really bad on the administration, and especially for an admin that has created this ground that is primed for conspiratorial thinking.

33:08A lot of the MAGA influencers were super ready, super excited for the Epstein files to release. So when you create the grounds that are perfect for conspiratorial thinking, and then you pull back, there are going to be a lot of conspiracies about the admin now.

33:20Piers Morgan:You know, Jack, it's a confusing time to be in MAGA, isn't it? It must be, right? Because there's so much going on, which must be quite bemusing. You know, you're led up the hill and we're going to get all the dirt on Epstein. That disappears. You know, you've got the attack on Iran, which seems to fly in the face of everything Trump has said about foreign wars, foreign engagement and so on. You've got a kind of war at the centre of the party. You've got Elon Musk, who you were sceptical of, MAGA. And then he's the hero suddenly and now he's the villain again. And this is not an easy time for MAGA to get their heads around the consistent theme here.

34:00Oh, Piers, what are you talking about? I love a fight. I'm always ready for a fight. And MAGA is always made of fighters. So if we got a fight, if we're coming in, by the way, Charlie Kirk is out there today saying that there's a huge push for amnesty of these, you know, the farm workers. And this was something that was mentioned at the rally over the weekend in Iowa, or I guess just before the weekend in Iowa. And so, you know, look, if there's going to be a fight, then we are more than ready for a fight. And I know that I certainly am. And I'm not going to.

34:27Piers Morgan:But don't you have to know what you're really fighting for? I'm fighting for the country. I'm fighting for America. No, I get that. But are you fighting for deportations of every illegal immigrant in the United States? If that means that farms close all over the United States, for example? Yes, it is 100 percent across the board. When we were at the RNC in Milwaukee, we had mass deportations now signs. And by the way, that doesn't necessarily mean that they all need to be arrested. I know that people have been crunching the numbers and saying, you know, if you do this many arrests today and that many.

34:59I think that self-deportations are something that really need to be worked on. I think the remittance tax that went through in the big, beautiful bill should have been higher. One percent is too low in my estimation. I think that should be five percent, ten percent or even 50 percent, because in some of these cases, that's exactly what's going on. that they're here for economic reasons in the United States. And so if you put that... But doesn't the United States economy need a lot of them?

35:24Piers Morgan:Isn't this the whole point about the farmer debate? Is that actually farmers have gone to Trump in big numbers and said if you deport every illegal, undocumented worker in the country, we're out of business. Well, look, you know, there can be a way for this to be done in a phased matter where they can get people in. And over time, it's not like it has to be, we're going to snap our fingers overnight and they're going to be gone. But absolutely, over time, 100%. Brian, what do you think of that? I mean, it seems to me that Trump's had a lot of political wins. Whatever you think of him, the last three, four weeks, you could argue, been the most successful politically that he may have had as a president.

36:01Piers Morgan:But it seems like on a lot of these issues, there's this dilemma, which he's going to have to confront. And not least, I think, this issue of undocumented workers. Well, it's interesting because Jack says, MAGA IS FIGHTING FOR THE COUNTRY. SO IS FIGHTING FOR THE COUNTRY GIVING THE BIGGEST TAX BREAKS TO THE TOP 1 % IN THE HISTORY OF THE NATION? IS FIGHTING FOR THE COUNTRY NOT GIVING PEOPLE DUE PROCESS AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY FOR DECADES AND ICE AGENTS COMING UP TO THEM NOT IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES, RIPPING THEM FROM THEIR FAMILIES RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE COURTROOM. THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING OR SENDING PEOPLE TO EL SALVADOR PRISONS WITH NO CRIMINAL RECORD.

36:38THAT'S FIGHTING FOR THE COUNTRY while Donald Trump is doing this weird masturbation dance on July 4th when dozens of kids are missing in Texas? That's fighting for the country, Jack? No, I'm sorry. That's the opposite of fighting for the country, okay? You know exactly what dance I'm talking about, Jack. I'm sure you do it every night before you go to sleep. Yeah, I think you do, Jack. I think that's what you're thinking about when you go to sleep, man. Okay, well, the point that I was trying to make, Jack, is you said that MAGA Republicans are fighting for the country, deporting people and ripping up parts of the Constitution.

37:15Yeah, so illegal aliens aren't part of my country, and in short work, they won't be, because those aren't Americans, those are illegals. So they don't deserve due process? What does it say in the Constitution? It says every single person, not citizen, not non-citizen, the Constitution says every person. Subject to the jurisdiction of. It says subject to the jurisdiction of. Okay, so you think that - Legal aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction. So someone should be deported to it. We actually went through this the last time we're You don't have any new talking points to you. So you're okay with someone being...

37:38No, it's not a talking point. It's called reality, Jack. You don't live in reality. You live in MAGA world, and you take the Ben Shapiro talking points. I live in reality. In my reality, they're all going home. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. They're all going home. So you're okay. Go ahead, Adam. I was going to say, can I ask if we had studies proving, which we do, that these farm workers lead to increased economic output, would you still want to deport illegal farm workers? How is that putting America first when it hurts the economy? Like Pierce said, farm workers are coming to Trump.

38:09Oh, you're just going on the side of big ag and big corporations. Like, here, I'm the MAGA guy, and I'm the one who's saying - You're not answering my question. How is that helping the economy if it's less economic output? Man, you guys just love kissing the boots of big corporate America, huh? No, I like the economy. I like having more economic output. How does the bootleather taste? Wall Street, the Wall Street boot leather, the corporate America boot leather.

38:32Piers Morgan:Do you know what I would have done if I was Trump? I'd have taken a massive victory lap over the stunning success in the southern border, reducing the numbers coming over illegally to almost negligible numbers from the millions that came in under Biden. I'd have taken a massive victory lap, which would have been applauded by, I think, most Americans. And then I would have targeted the people who were in the country illegally who committed crimes. And that was the first thing he said, I remember, as a campaign thing. When you get to a wider category of people and you simply say we're going to deport everyone who's undocumented in America, I mean, you're basically you could potentially be looking at 100 million people.

39:12Piers Morgan:Nobody really knows. Right. But the idea that that won't rip the heart out of America's economy in industries like farming, I think is for the birds. So I just felt like Trump's got a big win. He's got a couple of big wins on immigration. Take the southern border win, deport the ones who commit crimes, and then move to a new reform of the whole immigration system, but not at the expense of industries like farming. John, you're nodding there. Yeah, Pierce, there's a middle ground here. In early 2001, the Bush administration, the George W. Bush administration, negotiated an agreement with the government of Mexico that would address much of this.

39:54All of the Mexican workers who were here illegally, who were undocumented, would have to go back to Mexico. They could file papers asking permission to obtain a nine-month visa that would allow them to come here, work, pay taxes, and then go back to Mexico for three months, and they would have to go through this process every year. That way, they were legal to come and work, continue the jobs that they had, pay taxes and go back. That was scuttled because of the 9-11 attacks. But I think that's the basis that could be, should be the basis for something that the Trump administration can negotiate with Latin American governments right now.

40:33Piers Morgan:OK, I want to just end quickly with Gaza. Netanyahu is at the White House. Jack, I mean, it seems to me it's imperative for the people in Gaza that there is a ceasefire and actually an end to this war, I think it's increasingly imperative for Israel and Israelis, actually, and Jewish people around the world that this ends. Because unlike the military strikes in Iran and against Hezbollah in Lebanon, this has made what's happening in Gaza with the enormous civilian death toll as they've gone after Hamas, this has made Israel increasingly despised around the world. Well, it has. And not only that, but prior to the Iran flare-up, this conflict, this was also something that was eroding Bibi Netanyahu's political base internally within Israel.

41:22He's certainly got a rally around the flag moment right now because of the Iran situation and the way that that's been viewed. But prior to that, he narrowly survived a leadership vote just a week before the initial strikes were taken in that operation. And by the way, all of that was predicated on him breaking the ceasefire deal originally with Gaza. So if he does not agree, and I know that there's been a ceasefire that I've seen in media headlines, but I would love to see him standing there with President Trump agreeing to that ceasefire there at the White House.

41:52Piers Morgan:Yeah. And, you know, Adam, I just feel like, you know, I'm somebody who for many months after October the 7th, given the scale of what happened, I continued to defend Israel's right to defend itself against Hamas because Hamas were wedded publicly to continue doing this as many times as they could do it. They were wedded to getting rid of every Israeli if they could. So I supported the right to defend themselves. But in recent months, it's become almost impossible to defend what Israel's been doing. The three-month blockade of already impoverished and starving people, the relentless bombardment killing so many civilians, without any hostages getting released through this period.

42:37Piers Morgan:And then the people like Smodrich, the finance minister, publicly stating that his goal is to cleanse Gaza of all Palestinians, which actually is ethnic cleansing, which is a war crime. You put all that together, and it's become almost impossible to defend Israel continuing to prosecute the war in Gaza the way they're doing it. So I just feel as somebody who likes Israel and Israelis and feels for Jewish people around the world, you've had a very traumatic two years as the people of Gaza have had the innocent people in Gaza. I feel this has to end. What do you feel? Yeah, I think I've gone through the same journey that a lot of people have, including you, where initially after October 7th, I was fully supportive of Israel's right to respond and root out Hamas.

43:26I would even argue with people in my generation because i'm 22 and they have some wacky opinions i'd be like listen if the power imbalance were reversed and hamas had the power over israel that israel has over hamas there would be no jews in the middle east so you just have to understand the power imbalance but i can't put an exact pinpoint on the date at some day i feel like they're just beginning to cross the line over and over and over and when we're heading into like a year and a half or two years of a war with no end goal no specific end goal i know they say they want to root out hamas but at some point it feels like they're just killing people who are getting flour and way overstepping.

44:02So I've talked to a lot of people who seem to have gone through the same journey, where they're like, oh, of course, root out Hamas, of course. But at some point, it seems to be too far.

44:10Piers Morgan:Yeah. Brian, your thoughts? Yeah, I just want to make a point. And you made this earlier, Pearson, we agree on this. Just because you criticize the Israeli government doesn't mean you're anti-Semitic. Okay, I'm Jewish. I criticize the Israeli government and Benjamin Netanyahu, and Donald Trump took the Israeli intelligence over our own. Now we're involved in another war, this time with Iran. I thought Donald Trump was going to be the peace president, and he wouldn't get us into any new wars. Listen, Israel has a right to defend themselves. I agree with you, Pierce, 150 % on that. But there comes a point where this is their war, and it shouldn't be our war.

44:44Somehow it's okay for us to put all this money into this situation with Iran. And by the way, that's a whole other story of how successful this strike was. But yet when it comes to Ukraine, we got to stop aiding Ukraine. How much money have we given Israel? $450 billion plus. That seems to be totally fine. But when it comes to Ukraine with these MAGA Republicans, no, we got to stop defending our allies in Ukraine. So I've criticized Benjamin Netanyahu. I will continue to do so. We need to question the Israeli government. And the fact that our own president takes their intelligence over our own should tell you something.

45:17He's full of crap. And I got to tell you something, we got to stop putting all this money into a war that we should have never been involved with, with Iran in the first place.

45:25Piers Morgan:Yeah. And you know, it's perfectly possible and indeed perfectly reasonable, I would argue, to criticize Israeli government without being anti-Semitic at all, i.e., like me, or to look at certain things Israel has done in its defense, the way it attacked Tezbollah with the extraordinary Pager attack and say that that was a very precise, very well targeted, very successful mission against a bunch of terrorists who've been waging war against him for years. And also think that what's happening in Gaza has got completely out of hand. And it looks like it's just involving the obliteration of the whole strip and the elimination of everyone there out of the strip.

46:07Piers Morgan:John, final word to you. What do you feel about this? I have to agree. You know, when you look at the Hezbollah operation, that was absolutely brilliant from an intelligence perspective. Imagine the moving parts that are at play in an operation like that, where you go from the point of production to the point of delivery and everything in between, the supply chain, absolutely incredible. But you can't just slaughter women, children, emergency workers, doctors, blow up hospitals every single day and say that you're fighting Hamas. Sure, Hamas is a terrorist group, but Hamas is minuscule compared to the population of Gaza.

46:47And these tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of deaths are unacceptable. These are crimes against humanity and they have to stop.

46:55Piers Morgan:I don't think we've ever discussed this topic where everyone on a panel has broadly agreed. So I'm going to take the win on the broad agreement and hope that... I've got a feeling Donald Trump is going to get some movement on this with Netanyahu. I've got a feeling we may hear that sooner rather than later. I think he... And you know what? People who are cynical say he just wants the Nobel Peace Prize. Well, Obama got one after eight months in office for saying some fancy speeches. You know, if Trump was to actually get this sorted, this war ended, and could then move to try and do the same in Ukraine, as I know he desperately wants to, that would be an amazing achievement.

47:34Piers Morgan:Gentlemen, thank you all very much. Thank you, Pierce. Thank you, Pierce. Donald Trump is due to meet with Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House with the president saying a ceasefire deal in Gaza is close and could be agreed this week. Trump previously told reporters he'd been very firm with Netanyahu about ending the conflict after 21 months. Joining me now is Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Danny Donald. Mr. Donald, thank you.

48:24Piers Morgan:Thank you very much indeed for joining me again on Uncensored. What can you tell us about this meeting that is happening in the next few hours between the President of the United States and the Prime Minister of Israel? Thank you for having me again, Pierce. First, it's the third meeting within six months. I think it's remarkable. It shows the strength of the bond between two nations that are together, the friendship between the leaders. And, you know, we accomplished a lot during the fight against Iran. I'm sure the Prime Minister and President Trump will reflect on the achievements. But we'll also have to look ahead.

49:02What we are doing now with Iran, you know, in terms of diplomacy, in terms of some kind of supervised methods, maybe sanctions. I think, you know, we know we achieved a lot, but we have to pay attention to the future. We don't want Iran to go back to the same position they were a few weeks ago. The second issue will be Gaza. We still have 50 hostages in Gaza. There is a proposal on the table, a very detailed proposal. We said yes, and Hamas said yes, but. And now they're trying to add more things to the proposal, like always. So it's difficult. It's challenging. But we are not giving up. We sent our team to Doha to continue to negotiate.

49:50And hopefully we will see this partial deal come into effect, which will allow more hostages to come back.

49:57Piers Morgan:We've seen reports which have been not confirmed officially, but that the framework for Assis Farkudzi Hamas hand over 28 hostages, 10 of whom would be alive and 18 sadly dead in five stages over 60 days. and there would be a surge in humanitarian aid entering Gaza as well. Is that your understanding of that part of any agreement? Yes. You know, in general, those details are accurate. You know, we wish to get all of the hostages, but it's not happening now. But we accept this framework of receiving half of the hostages who are alive, 18 bodies. I think that's something we can work with. And within those 60 days, we can talk about what's happened next, what will be the next stage.

50:48I want to remind you, we have two guards in this wall. We didn't choose to fight this wall. It was brought upon ourselves. Our goal is how to release hostages and to make sure that Hamas is not in charge of Gaza. There is no future for Gaza with Hamas.

51:02Piers Morgan:Do you accept, Mr. Danon, Mr. Ambassador, Do you accept that, unlike with the action in Iran, which was widely seen as a very precise strike against very precise targets, military targets, nuclear sites, nuclear scientists, nuclear military people, similar to the very precise attack on Hezbollah with the pager devices exploding on 3 ,000 of them, The problem with Gaza is that the world has looked on with increasing horror at what appears to be a policy of just completely obliterating the Gaza Strip. 70 % of it has now been destroyed. The bombardment continues on a daily, nightly basis. and in the process of continuing to go after Hamas, more and more civilians are getting killed, including a staggering number of children now.

52:02Piers Morgan:And this is bringing on Israel around the world a lot of deep criticism, not least from your own allies, not least from people like me who were very supportive of Israel's right to defend itself after the horrors of October the 7th. Do you accept that Gaza is now a particular problem for Israel in terms of global opinion? Well, first, I agree with you, Pierce. You cannot compare what happened in Iran to what's happening in Gaza. And it's much more challenging for any democracy to fight a non-state actor. You know, when you fight a state, it's easy. You know where the targets are, where the military bases, the leadership.

52:45and we proved, you know, when we attacked Iran, you know, we did everything we can to minimize civilian casualties and it was very successful. When you fight a terrorist organization which took over the population in the last 20 years and they're putting them as human shields in front, it's challenging. It's hard. And, you know, it's hard by all aspects. You mentioned the civilian casualties, but also it's hard for us. You know, for Israel, with our might of the IDF to drag this war for almost two years, it's painful. It's painful for the country. It's painful for the families. It's a painful process.

53:22It's the longest war ever in our history. But because you have the population there, you cannot fight like you fight a military or army. And Hamas took advantage of that. That's why you see that we have to ask the population to move. And if there will be no deal, which I hope they will in the next few days, but if there will be no agreement, then we will have no choice. We will have to, again, ask the population to move out and send our boys to fight and push Hamas out. It will be painful for both sides.

53:54Piers Morgan:But do you accept that too many civilians have now been killed? I accept the fact that on both sides it's suffering. You know, almost 2 ,000 Israelis died. I don't know the number, and we spoke about it last time, about the Palestinian side. It's very hard to know the real numbers because Hamas, You know, they will not tell you how many civilians died from natural causes in Gaza in the last two years. Everything they put together, and I'm sure they exaggerate it. But you wouldn't dispute that many tens of thousands of civilians have died in Gaza? Well, I can agree with you that civilians were killed.

54:27And unfortunately, civilians are suffering in Gaza because of Hamas. And that's why today, you know, I saw this morning, I saw people in Gaza chanting and calling Hamas to accept the deal. and they don't understand why Hamas is continuing with the suffering. So yes, there is suffering. And I think also when you speak about the day after, I speak with many of my colleagues from the area, and, you know, there are a lot of ideas about the day after reconstruction. And they tell me, Danny, we are not going to send not only soldiers, but not even one check to Gaza if Hamas will still be there. So if you think about the day after and reconstruction and building a better future for the people in Gaza, one has to realize that Hamas will not be part of this equation.

55:13Piers Morgan:Do you accept, Mr. Ambassador, that criticism of the Israeli government and Israeli government policies is not anti-Semitic? Well, first, you know, I'm at the UN, so I'm used for criticism. It's legitimate to criticize Israel. But you have to use the same standards like you use against any other democracy. So if you have criticism about the way we conduct our urban world methods, let's compare it to the UK, to the US, to other democracies who took actions on similar cases. But when it comes to Israel, unfortunately, you see that the UN and other international organizations, they're using different standards.

55:59They don't make the same remarks when it comes to Israel. And that's something we cannot accept. It's legitimate to criticize Israel, but we expect it should be done in the same criteria like any other country.

56:12Piers Morgan:Tucker Carlson, the conservative commentator in the United States, has just released an interview with the president of Iran, Masoud Pezeshkian, in which he says this to the president. Two Iranian ayatollahs have issued fatwas against Donald Trump. What does that mean exactly, and what do you think of it? To the best of my knowledge, they have not issued decrees or fatwas against any individual or against Donald Trump. There are a number, some large number of Iranian nationals living in the United States. Some have said they are, quote, sleeper cells. They are terrorists who are acting at the command of your government.

57:03Would you right now make a statement to Iranian citizens living in the United States not to commit acts of violence in the United States?

57:14Piers Morgan:These things you're telling me, this is the first time I'm hearing them from you or from anybody. What is your reaction to that interview? First, I don't understand why you should give a platform to such a leader. You know, if you go back in history, you should ask yourself, you know, in the sake of journalism, would you interview anyone? I think there should be limits. And you see the Iranian leader lying. You know, everybody knows. You know, we know the fact. They tried to assassinate President Trump not only once, twice. They tried to assassinate Prime Minister Netanyahu. You know, they're using the proxying against us.

57:51So all of a sudden, they speak so nicely, so quietly. I think we are beyond that. We exposed this regime, and now they have to decide. We will not buy those lines. They can decide to move forward and accept restrictions which will not allow them to build those capabilities they wanted to build. Or they think they can continue with this game, giving soft interviews and continue with the deception. It will not work. We have the capabilities. Us and the US, we will follow very carefully what's happening on the ground over there.

58:24Piers Morgan:Finally, Ambassador, do you look forward to a day when Israel is not at war somewhere? Absolutely. You know, my dad was wounded because of the war and he lost his life. I served in the military. My son was an officer in the military. I pray for the day that we can deal with other issues. We are a peaceful nation. We pray for peace. And I believe that in the near future, we will be able to expand the Abraham Accords and develop, you know, relationship with our colleagues in the region. But we have to first fight the radicals. We did it in Lebanon, we're in Gaza, in Iran, and I'm optimistic about the future.

59:03Piers Morgan:Ambassador General, thank you very much, Ndiv, coming back home. Thank you very much. Who says Halloween only lasts one day? With Wayfair, one night of Halloween becomes a whole season at home. From larger-than-life yard decor and moody lighting to festive accents for every room in the house, Wayfair has what you need to make Halloween feel like magic all in one place. Because the best Halloween memories aren't made in just one night. They're made all season long. Shop Halloween decor now at Wayfair.com. Wayfair, every style, every home. Almost three years ago, four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death as they slept in their home.

59:40Piers Morgan:No motive has ever been revealed for the murders of Kayleigh Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin. And a last minute plea deal may mean that remains the case forever. Brian Koberger, a former criminology student, was due to stand trial next month. Oh, his attack shocked America. In a plea deal agreed last week, Koberger pleaded guilty to all four murders to avoid the death penalty. The decision has split the families of the victims. Well, joining me now is Kayleigh's sister Olivia and parent Steve and Christy González. Welcome to all of you. Let me just say at the start, I'm a father of four children.

1:00:19Piers Morgan:When I first heard about this story, it is pretty much the ultimate nightmare for any parent, for any sibling, that your beautiful girl would be taken in this way in such a monstrous, senseless manner with her university friends. And my heart just goes out to you. Before we get into anything else, I just want to tell you how much I felt for you in that moment without knowing you, how much I felt for you since then and how much I feel for you now, particularly given what has happened. Because let me start with you, Steve, if I may. You don't know why this person, Koberger, did this. And you may never know now because of this plea deal that was done clearly without your involvement, your approval.

1:01:09Piers Morgan:How do you feel about that? It was very shocking. I just feel like I'm going through it all over again. It's a different kind of betrayal because it's a betrayal from somebody who's supposed to be, you know, who's protecting you or supposed to, like, represent you. So I didn't see it coming. and I didn't see something like this happening. I thought there would be clear communications and things happening. And when it didn't happen like that, that's why I went to the media because you guys help people understand what's going on. And if we're silenced, nobody understands that the system's broken and we could do better.

1:01:53We can fix this. We can, we have to fix this. So like you said, we were probably gonna learn about the details of our daughter through this monster's book that he's going to write through his sister or through his professor. And that's not right. That's just not right. So that's, we're hoped to be wrong, but we're afraid we're going to be right. Christine, what is it, as a mother,

1:02:20Piers Morgan:you would most like to know? What are the unanswered questions for you as a family that you think about, that you talk about, that you wish you had answers to? we really feel in the negotiation with the plea that they could have at least why. And, you know, like when, what was it that why he chose that house, you know, our daughter, her friends, really why? And not that it would be, we would, and that he did it solely by himself. I know that he admitted his guilt, but there are still people saying, yeah, he admitted his guilt, but I don't think that he worked alone, you know, and for him to say, I take 100 % full responsibility, me, myself, you know, only, um, it just would help with some closure, you know, constantly seeing people protect him and just putting it out there where you can't protect him anymore.

1:03:26You know, people can't, you know, they can't continue to say things that, um, to side with him, to make him look like he's innocent because he is totally guilty. And I know that he, he did do say that he did it. Um, there's just some details that I think that could have came out that would have definitely made him seal his guilt and, and help the families, at least our family. I can't speak on behalf of the other families. And maybe they didn't want to know some of that information, but we did.

1:03:58Piers Morgan:Olivia, I mean, obviously part of the, I guess, the turmoil this may have created is that he's admitted everything, but by doing so he avoids the death penalty in a state where he could have been executed. So you'll never, I guess, you may never know whether this is a sincere admission of full guilt or not, because, of course, he had an absolute vested interest in pleading guilty. He doesn't die as a consequence. Yeah, I do understand that point. I know, and I knew from the very beginning, he is 100 % guilty. There's not a doubt in my mind. He can play whatever cards he would like to now. But for us, I do think that that frustration was, you know, in exchange for your life, there are, you know, ways that you can kind of vindicate some of these others that have kind of been lost in this i'm talking about the roommates i'm talking about the boyfriends i'm talking about all of the innocents who were you know innocent bystanders to this where for me personally i don't care about his why i'm looking for hard facts where's the murder weapon let's recover it what were you wearing that night where did you purchase it i'm looking for facts to prove without a shadow of a doubt that this is and always has been the sole perpetrator of this crime.

1:05:24Not because I have doubts in my mind, but because a lot of the conspiracy theorists online and a lot of the people who were accused in this process deserve to know it was him alone, by himself, and that is the end of it.

1:05:44Piers Morgan:Steve, how difficult is it as a family to live in an internet world and a social media world when something as appalling as this happens, to rip your family apart, and you have to deal with endless conspiracy theories, endless opinions from people who know very little about what they're talking about, endless attention, scrutiny, and so on. Does that make it all just 100 times worse? I don't like to feed it, but yes, It is hell to go through it, to be attacked over and over again. And then to think that there's some system that can protect you when there really isn't anyone there to protect you.

1:06:25It's eye-opening. And you're just sitting there going, like, how can people just lie about us? How can people write books and not even know us? Like, I'm used to sports where they have rights to their image. you know and just regular humans just regular mothers and fathers we we don't have these rights and it's it's very um eye-opening and you just sit there and wonder like i feel like this isn't real like what are we going through this is this is shocking so you know sometimes they say you know why do you talk to media it's because that's how we bring our power back that's how we defend ourselves and we can set the narrative straight.

1:07:11Piers Morgan:What have been the worst things that you've had to deal with in terms of ridiculous allegations, claims against you and your family? We've seen it all. We've seen Steve be blatantly accused. We've seen Olivia be blatantly accused. You know, we've had our interviews just absolutely scrutinized saying, did you see when he said this or that, did you see the way that Christy looked at him or did you see her nudge him and there was something more in that nudge or that look? When you say accused, Christy, do you mean that they're literally suggesting that somehow you may have had something to do with your daughter's death?

1:07:59Piers Morgan:Yes. 100%. I mean, again, I just can't get my head around how horrific that must be. I mean, it takes me back, I remember being at CNN when Sandy Hook happened and people were promoting then the most unbelievably vile, ridiculous stories that this had been staged and that the parents were actors and so on, but you're clearly living through a similar thing where, I mean, it's bad enough that your daughter gets taken from you in such horrific circumstances, but to then have people suggesting that you may have had something to do with it, How painful is that? It's hard. It is so hard to see that people are actually, like you said, it's hard to wrap your head around it.

1:08:44Where are the thoughts of these people? Why would they even think this when we've had this person from the beginning, the defendant, and it's so blatantly him. I mean, the evidence just got bigger day by day by day, you know, and and they could you know accuse my husband or my daughter or myself and say you know um you know or that it was uh you know drugs that was a huge thing you know drugs were involved and these kids were druggies which is absolutely not even you know the farthest from the truth you know um it was just a party house these kids were just you know a bunch of losers um it's it's horrible it's targeted yeah yeah they you know there was some uh drug deal i mean we've and it was a cartel hit, you know, because they owed money to the cartel.

1:09:33I mean, it was just absolutely insane.

1:09:35Piers Morgan:Do you think that the tech companies do enough to stop this? I mean, do you have a message for people like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg and the others who control the social media platforms? Do you think enough is being done to protect families in your kind of position from this kind of attack? I think it could definitely be improved. I'm not one of those guys that tries to put my responsibility on others, but there's times where I flag stuff where they're taking images of us. They put my house out on YouTube, things like that. And it's hard. It's hard to get that stuff struck and down. You got to like go through a whole process.

1:10:15So I definitely think they could approve it. I mean, we got our Facebook page taken down because people said we were misrepresenting stuff. It's, it is not, um, I don't want to talk out of both sides though, because without the media, we, we would be victimized way worse than if, than if we were just dealing with the prosecution, they would have, I don't think the defense prosecution would have ever get given out the truth. They hide behind a gag order after they even get a plea, they still want to keep it hidden. So, um, we're lucky to be in a world where we can talk to the media and let people know that, you know, this is how this is how we know and this is how we understand the facts.

1:10:54Piers Morgan:Olivia, tell me about Kayleigh for those who didn't know her. Yeah, Kayleigh was awesome. I know that that's a little cheesy to say, but she was really cheeky. She was really funny. She was super smart. She was super friendly. and one of my favorite things about Kaylee was how you know she was a little bit more you know gentle when you first met her but she would stand up for what she believed was right no matter what you know if it was a situation even where you know someone was you know uncomfortable and clearly uncomfortable even if she didn't know that person she would have stood up for them and made sure that they were okay and I think it takes a lot of courage and a lot of bravery to do that And she had that.

1:11:39And she was really true to herself all the time and super multifaceted. It's hard to even put it into words. But she really was just a lot of fun to be around and had a lot going for her. And there won't be a day that goes by that I don't miss her.

1:12:00Piers Morgan:Steve, you've lost your beautiful daughter who had her whole life ahead of her at the age of 21. Again, it's hard to imagine anything worse for a father, parent to have to deal with. What are the things you're saddest about that she will now never enjoy in her life? Hayley was the one child in our family that just wouldn't take no for an answer. So she was the one that would be like, we're going to go to Hawaii. We're going to do a vacation. We're just going to make this happen. And then, you know, I got a laptop in front of me with everything booked and I just have to hit OK. So I'm going to miss that that spirit of hers where she.

1:12:44Yeah, that spontaneous spirit that she had of like getting everybody rallied together. Let's go do something fun. And, you know, there hasn't been a lot of fun in the last two and a half years. So you put a lot of that attributed to that person missing. and all my kids are amazing but it's hard to not think about what you're missing and you know try to make sure that all your kids understand they got a special place in your family but you know it's it's no it's nothing I would ever wish upon any other family to go through

1:13:20Piers Morgan:Christy do you think you'll attend the sentencing or is that a step too far for you as a family um no we're really um we're trying to figure that out right now because unfortunately um not unfortunately but um our youngest daughter is going away to college and that the 21st the 25th is her orientation week um and it's not close to home it's not close here to idaho it's uh it's a few states away um a few time zones away so um you know we have to be there for aubrey you know she's um um but yet we really want to be there for the sentencing here uh hearing as well to um give our impact statements so yeah we're just trying to work something out right now we're trying to figure it out so super proud of Aubrey she got a scholarship to a school in Texas and we're super proud of her and um just goes to you know these children that have just I mean it was so hard for her to get through this and she's still got a full ride that's amazing steve how do you feel about this monster co-burger he's trash he's absolute trash and uh i i'm coming for him you know i'm coming for him as best as i can i know that his people want him to be studied i i do not want him to be studied i don't want him having anybody paying attention to him He's not worth it.

1:14:51There's nothing of value inside that human being. I guess the best we can do is just lock him up and let him become an asset for the state, but that's not what we want.

1:15:03Piers Morgan:Well, I wish you all the very best out of this hell. It's great to hear about your daughter doing so well. Amazing, really, given what's been going on with your family, that your family is still thriving. I wish them all the very best with everything everything that they all do. And I wish you all the very best at coming to terms with this and trying to move on from what happened. It won't be easy, but you have extraordinary strength as a family, I think. Thank you. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing.

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