‘Trump Needs to APOLOGIZE!’ Will Iran Claim Victory Over America? | With Professor Jiang Interview

22:01Piers Morgan:They saw an opportunity. There was the stars showed that Trump and Netanyahu get along and would agree about such an adventure, such a dangerous adventure. And they went for it. I don't know who convinced whom. It sounds more logical that Netanyahu convinced the American president, even though he's not someone to be so easily convinced. But in any case, look at the outcome. Is the world a better place today than two weeks ago, for God's sake? Is Israel a more secure place than two weeks ago? Is the United States stronger today than two weeks ago? Those are the questions which are not asked. And one more word, Pierce, with your permission.

22:49Piers Morgan:We were speaking about the big criticism in America, a public opinion about this war. Surprise, surprise, 94 % of the Israeli Jews support this war. Can you believe it? Those are people who pay a price for this war. 94. Those are North Korean figures. Only in North Korea you get, on any issue, 94 % support. Let's think also about this. A state, after two and a half terrible war in Gaza, wants another war. What does it tell us about the Israeli society? Yeah, and of course, you know, Netanyahu was in deep political peril after October 7th because people were blaming him for allowing it to happen on his watch.

23:37Piers Morgan:He was facing a corruption, a criminal trial. That's been put on the back burner. He's seen his personal popularity rising at the same rate that he's been bombing places. And he's probably doing the maths and working out quite cynically because he can be very cynical. The best way for his own political preservation is to carry on doing what he's doing, which is settling all the scores. I mean, he made it clear that Iran was a 40-year project for him, which was finally happening. Rob O 'Neill, I know you've got to leave us imminently. As an American, putting aside your amazing career in the military, but as an American, given the state of the economy, given the real-time effect on Americans at the pump, with food prices, there's still inflation, so they've carried on going up, Given that Donald Trump campaigned so vociferously that he wasn't going to take America into any more wars, particularly in the Middle East, and he was going to sort out the economy and sort out the cost of living.

24:44Piers Morgan:Are you comfortable that he's now launched the biggest war in the Middle East imaginable and is having such a huge effect on the economy? He says this is all a price worth paying. Do you agree with that? I do in theory agree with it that if it does work out, the prices of everything will go down because it will positively affect oil prices. And that, as we know, affects everything. I'm not optimistic. I mean, yeah, I'm optimistic, but I don't like seeing this. I don't like going to war. I do know President Trump, and I know he loves his legacy, and he cares about his family. And I think given the intel that I'm not privy to, I'm not in the meetings either that he's gotten and where he is, this is the way to go in order to get the stability.

25:31Piers Morgan:You know, whenever you get preemptive strikes on people, it's hard to say. I mean, we knew what Hitler was doing in 1938. We didn't do anything. President Buchanan and Pierce had something to do. They weren't aggressive with the South at the time before they reminded me had the Civil War. A million people died. Preemptive strikes, though, 2003. I went to Iraq. Turns out it wasn't the way to go. So, I mean, I'm very, very cautious. As the father of four daughters and hearing a missile hit a school, if it's true, everyone should apologize. Like, look, we can figure out who did it later. This is a result of our conflict, usually because men in political power couldn't agree on something.

26:05Piers Morgan:That's what we should say. And that, unfortunately, with all the cheering aside and all the cool movies, that's the end result on the ground. That's the difference between being there and seeing it on TV. So, again, I'm going to wash it. So I want it. I would love to see every family in the world be successful and pay lower gas prices. And I really I really like I said, I really do believe do believe this administration is doing what they think is the right thing for the future, not just of the country, but of the West. Don't like war, hate cheering for war. But I'm watching. And again, I'm trying to stay open minded.

26:33Piers Morgan:I personally will do everything I can to help with world peace. I thought I did before. And here we are again. Yeah. Congressman Mills, I mean, politically, it's a massive, stupendous roll of the dice by Donald Trump. The midterm elections are coming in November. Historically, a president in his position would normally probably lose the House. That's expected to happen. But now there's lots of rumblings. This may cost him the Senate, which would basically leave him a completely lame duck for the last two years of his presidency. And right now, he can keep saying this is all over, we've won, and so on.

27:13Piers Morgan:But the reality on the ground, which we can all see with our own eyes, is very different. Are you worried politically about this if it carries on much longer?

27:24Professor Jiang:Well, let me just go ahead and touch on something. And Rob had talked about it, and it's been severed many times about oil and economics. What we have to understand is this. Just like I talked about with that geopolitical alignment that was after the US dollars of global currency, It's not about the dollar, the baht, the yen, the ruble, the dinar. It's always been about energy. Energy is a global currency. And what we knew is that you have the ability here to not only eliminate an evil regime and stop nuclear capabilities that could actually threaten the West as well as for our allies and ourselves, but also to help start getting a stability solution against all these Xi 'a-backed militias who are being funded by this type of illicit trade of oil to China.

28:00Professor Jiang:Now, why does this always look as an individual thing? It's not. If you look at the geopolitical ramifications of the elimination of Maduro, that was 70 % of the oil that went to China. Iran is another 20 % that goes to China. That now potentially stops the unification of Taiwan or the threats across the Taiwanese Strait, even though they are building up with the coastal defense, conscripts, etc. But the same thing for Russia. Russia's biggest supplier that they had actual defense goods to was actually Iran. So now you've actually got an economic loss there as well. So this is doing a lot of things for the region, not just eliminating this regime, but it will actually bounce back oil prices because we've always had issues with Iran and the Strait of Hamus.

28:38Professor Jiang:We've always had issues with the threats of trying to go after things like with the Houthis on Saudi Aramco that had an impact on the actual oil production. So this is a momentary diversion, as Secretary of Energy Wright had said, that allows us to not only try and help to free innocent civilians who are dying, but not get boots on the ground. This is not Iraq and Afghanistan. We are not nation building. We are not looking to try and put in an implementation of Democrats. We're not trying to do an Article 76 of the 05 Constitution to set forth sectarian democracy, which hasn't existed in pre-apartheid South Africa or Northern Ireland.

29:09Professor Jiang:This is about literally just trying to go good versus evil, eliminate an evil threat, guarantee stability in the region, stop instant lives from being lost, stop a nuclear power from coming into there, and then also look at the economic properties that will benefit the US as well as from the globe.

29:24Piers Morgan:Ryan Grimm, your response to that?

29:56Professor Jiang:Well,

29:58Piers Morgan:I mean, one of the economic companies that would benefit is the congressman's congressman. Correct me if I'm wrong. You you're an arms trafficker. No, no, I'm not.

30:08Professor Jiang:Actually, I don't actually own a company and I actually have divested in blind trust. I'm also the only member of Congress who actually donates 100 percent of my salary. Divested into a blind trust.

30:17Piers Morgan:That's those are those are contradictory terms. Well, if you divested, you don't own it anymore.

30:23Professor Jiang:Do you own an arms trafficking company? I DON'T, ACTUALLY. THAT'S THE FUNNYEST. DO YOU OWN AN ARTICIPAL COMPANY? WE ACTUALLY TRAIN OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MILITARY AND OUR POLICE ON HOW TO DO LESS LETHALS AND HOW TO HELP THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS AND HOW TO HELP WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS AND RIOT CONTROL IN MINNEAPOLIS, NEW YORK, THE BLUE CITIES AROUND THE STATE. IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT THAT'S THE APPROACH YOU TAKE. I ACTUALLY HAVE LOST TREMENDOUS MONEY SINCE I 'VE BEEN IN CONGRESS. I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE THAT'S OKAY. WHEN I WENT INTO THE MILITARY, I HAD NOTHING AS WELL. I'M PROUD TO SERVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

30:53Professor Jiang:YOU CAN KEEP TRYING TO PLAY YOUR FOREIGN POLICY ECONOMIC ELEMENTARY 101. THE REALITY IS YOU CAN'T DISPUTE A SINGLE THING I SAID ABOUT THE ECONOMICS OF OIL TRADE. YOU CAN'T DISPUTE A SINGLE THING ABOUT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BENEFITING CHINA. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE BELT ROAD INITIATIVE EXPANSION THAT I TALKED ABOUT. SO LET'S TALK ON THE FACTS AS OPPOSED TO AD HOMINEM ATTACKS OR SOME TYPE OF A SLANDEROUS POINT.

31:15Piers Morgan:DID YOUR COMPANY SELL WEAPONS TO UKRAINE WHILE YOU WERE ON THE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE? NO, IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY.

31:24Professor Jiang:THERE'S A LAWSUIT THAT CLAIMS THAT IT DID, THAT THIS IS NOT TRUE? YOU WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO THE C.E.O. BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU

31:37Professor Jiang:I'M VERY PROUD OF. I'M VERY PROUD OF. I'M VERY PROUD OF. WE SUPPLYED AND EVEN AT DONATIONS TO ALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS ACROSS NEW YORK, SEATTLE, MINNEAPOLIS, NEW YORK CITY, BALTIMORE TO STOP FROM THE RIOTS THAT WAS GOING ON, WHICH EVERYONE IN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY CALLED THE SUMMER OF LOVE. DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO YOUR I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE STOCKS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING OR GO TO AD HOMINEM ATTACKS.

32:00Piers Morgan:I WANTED PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. I DON'T OWN A SINGLE STOCK.

32:06Professor Jiang:UNLIKE MANY OF THE OTHERS WHO BENEFIT FROM GED AND OTHERS, GO LOOK AT QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS AND HOW MANY STOCKS I 'VE TRADED SINCE I 'VE BEEN IN OFFICE. I DON'T OWN A SINGLE PENNY OF STOCK. WAR DOESN'T BENEFIT ME. I actually prefer not to have war, but the benefits of actually making sure that we understand how this looks at it economically and from a stability and safety and security perspective, I am for, especially as a member of the foreign affairs, especially as a proud U.S. Army combat veteran.

32:32Piers Morgan:OK, let me ask Ryan just quickly, how do you think this war now plays out from where we are now?

32:42Piers Morgan:I mean, who knows? I think that the I think the president is desperate to find a way to end the war. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE AN EXPERT TO SEE THAT THIS IS A CATASTROPHE FOR THE UNITED STATES. AND IT'S A CATASTROPHE FOR THE PEOPLE IN TEYRAN WHO ARE SEEING THIS INDISCRIMINATE BOMBING. THERE WAS JUST A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. THE PEOPLE OF IRAN ARE CHANTING JAVI SHAH.

33:04Professor Jiang:THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE SHA TO COME BACK.

33:06Piers Morgan:YOU'RE TELLING ME MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE WRONG IN TEYRAN? PEOPLE IN LEBANON, ISRAEL ISSUED AN EVACUATION ORDER TO 700 ,000 PEOPLE, SOME OF WHOM WENT TO THE BEACH. THEY THEN BOMBED THEM ON THE beach. The entire situation is horrifying. He's talking about geopolitics. China is sitting back watching the way that the United States military, its Navy and its Air Force, engage with a conventional military. They're taking notes as we exhaust ourselves. I don't understand who benefits from this beyond Israel, who wants, as Gideon has said, to see the countries around it reduced in power and engaged in kind of sectarian civil war and collapse.

33:54Piers Morgan:Well, let me ask Gideon the same question. Gideon, what do you think is going to happen here? First of all, it's very hard to foresee because finally it depends mainly on Donald Trump. I still think that if he wishes to put an end to it, he still can, even though I agree to the other speakers who said that we are reaching very fast and a point of no return. But he could have stopped it by now, and then Israel had to stop, even though by the time we are talking, the Israeli troops are on their way to Lebanon starting another war, which might last much, much, much, much longer. But Israel does not benefit out of it.

34:36Piers Morgan:You mentioned all those who lose this. Israel never benefits for any of its wars. If you go backwards, ever since 1948, no war brought any good things to Israel. They always brought either immediate losses or losses for the long run, like this fatal 1967 war, which stucked us with this horrible, damned occupation until this very moment. Wars don't serve interests for the long run, and this war will not serve Israel. Maybe we can all now sell more weapons. No doubt that Israel will sell now much more weapons. We can be very proud on all kinds of James Bond operations, assassinations. That's a new hobby of Israel, assassinating half of the leadership of the Middle East in Hollywood systems.

35:32Piers Morgan:Really fascinating. but by the end of the day, after this all glory will go away, we'll ask ourselves, what did we achieve? What did we achieve in two and a half years in Gaza? With 70 ,000 people killed and 1 ,000 babies killed. What did Israel achieve? Is it today more secure? Is Gaza a more stable place? Is the danger of Gaza smaller or bigger for the long run? Same will be here. And I'm very sorry to say it because they always say that I always spoil all those parties. No, it's not a party. It is a war which gets more and more complicated and complicates itself with endless consequences. By the way, Israel is going also to pay enormous prices in the United States.

36:20Piers Morgan:The Americans will never forget Israel, who they believe pushed the United States to this unnecessary war. And by the end of the day, we'll say, oh, this was a mistake. but the next war then will make it, because we have to solve it once and for all. And the only once and for all for Israel is the continuous of the occupation. Gideon Levy and my panel, thank you all very much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Well, I'm joined now by Beffel Talibani. He's the president of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Mr Talibani, thank you very much indeed for joining me on Uncensored. I know you spoke to President Trump a few days ago.

37:04Piers Morgan:What is your overview about where we are with this war right now?

37:11Professor Jiang:First of all, my pleasure to be here. Overview of where we are in the war so far is you could argue that many of the US military objectives have been achieved. Severely depleted ability to strike. Government, to an extent, weakened. and also I believe there's no real capability of any kind of nuclear weapon creation. Having said that, there's still a lot of bombing. The people of Kurdistan are certainly terrified. Iraq is under a lot of pressure. You see what's happening in the Emirates and the Arabic countries and the Iranian regime doesn't really show any signs of cracking. And also there's been no real...

37:56Professor Jiang:Sorry, there's been no real uprising or demonstration or even hints thereof until now.

38:03Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that I've been looking for, which is, you know, where is the rising up of the people? You know, there was a belief that maybe the Kurds were going to lead the rebellion and so on. But of course, I'd imagine that many people, not just the Kurds, but everyone in the civilian population has memories of what happened in January, when many thousands of protesters were killed. But secondly, there are bombs raining down all over the country. And that makes even venturing onto the street an extremely dangerous, potentially life-threatening thing to be doing, never mind what the Revolutionary Guard or the other militia may do if they find you there.

38:44Piers Morgan:So it seems to me the double-pronged threat to people if they do take to the streets is very pronounced right now, and the danger is very real.

38:55Professor Jiang:I would agree with that, but I would add another prong. I think there's three prongs of concern. One of them is the zip code, the postcode, sorry, that Iran is in. Just look at the recent years. Iran is in the postcode of Afghanistan, Armenia, Syria, Turkmenistan, and Iraq. The Persians are a very well-educated, beautiful people, very old and ancient people, and it's difficult for them to see them going through what these countries around them have gone through, and this is also a real major concern. In fact, last time, a lot of the middle class and a lot of the professional class didn't get involved in any of the demonstrations, regardless of their political view, because of this fear.

39:43Professor Jiang:This fear has not been alleviated at all, and it exists in Iraq.

39:48Piers Morgan:If, as at the moment seems more likely than not, the regime remains in place, Donald Trump did talk very early on that he wanted regime change, but he made it clear he wanted the people to lead that. If that doesn't happen, can the United States legitimately claim victory?

40:09Professor Jiang:Judging by some of the statements that were made, the initial objectives militarily, I think some of them have been achieved. Victory for Mr. Trump, I think you could argue it either way. My personal opinion is really the sooner the better. Don't underestimate the shock and the damage the assassination of the Supreme Leader has had on the psyche of the country as a whole. I think that shouldn't be underestimated. We're in danger of this becoming like a wound from Excalibur, a wound that never heals. And I think that should be taken into account.

40:54Piers Morgan:There have been reports that Kurdish armed groups, who of course have fought the Iranian regime for a very long time, operating from bases along the Iraqi border, border, that the reports that the CIA has been backing some of these groups to launch ground incursions inside Iran. Can you say anything about that?

41:14Professor Jiang:I can. This is categorically not the case, at least in this side of Iraqi Kurdistan. Also, please remember, the Kurds make up less than 10 % of the Iranian population of 92 million. Of that 10 % of Kurds, more than 60 % of them are actually Shiite. A lot of them are in the administrations. They are in the government, etc., etc. Of that remaining percentage, how many of them are with these groups? And what would a Kurdish attack on Iran do? For example, Turkey has made it very clear to us that this is completely unacceptable, and they have their own legitimate concerns. Then you have the fear of a backlash from the Iranians themselves, who are a proud people and would fear separatism or a splitting of the country.

42:03Professor Jiang:That's why I firmly believe Kurds being tip of the spear is an absolute disaster. And in my communications with the different Kurdish groups, I think a lot of them understand this.

42:16Piers Morgan:And have you made that clear to President Trump directly when you spoke to him?

42:20Professor Jiang:No, the phone call with Mr Trump didn't really go there. Funnily enough, when I spoke to Mr Trump, I thought of you, because you often mention the other side of him that people don't see. And I really did pick up on that. I picked up on a genuine caring. I think genuinely Mr. Trump isn't in favour of war. He indicated that he was forced into this decision. And I think that this is true. And he genuinely seemed to have caring for Iraq and for the Kurdish people, and was obviously grateful to us for the years that we've cooperated militarily, etc., etc. and the fight against ISIS and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, etc.

43:01Piers Morgan:Well, it's interesting you mention Saddam Hussein because he watched from his prison cell as your father, Jala Talabani, became the first elected president of Iraq following the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. What a remarkable moment in history that was. You know, I was editor of a Daily Mirror newspaper in the UK which took a very strong position against that war and for a very long time I felt thoroughly vindicated. Somebody did say something interesting this week about Iraq now, that if you look at Iraq now, it is in a much better place now than it has been for a very long time. And you could argue that even though it's been a very tumultuous journey to get to where it is, that it's been worth the pain.

43:48Piers Morgan:What would you say to that?

43:50Professor Jiang:I would agree with that, actually, Piers. I think that that's an accurate description. When Saddam Hussein forgave everybody in Iraq at one point, except my father, and then when it came to sign his execution, my father wouldn't sign it. He said there's been enough blood spilled. But it's taken us 20 years of pitiless combat to get to today, and it's been a long time. The Middle East has suffered a lot.

44:18Piers Morgan:Yeah, it has, and it's actually very sad to see it all flurring up in the way that it is now, and I hope common sense does prevail. Mr Talibani, thank you very much indeed for joining me. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Professor Zhang is a game theorist, best known for his popular predictive history YouTube channel, where he applies his systems of analysis to the past in order to predict the future. Back in 2024, he predicted that Trump would win the presidency, that Trump would go to war with Iran, and that the US would lose that war. was to spark a flurry of interest in both his work and his rather colourful adjacent opinions.

44:55Piers Morgan:Professor Zhang joins me now. Professor Zhang, thank you very much indeed for joining me on Uncensored.

45:01Professor Jiang:Hi, Piers.

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45:35Piers Morgan:Let me start with these three big predictions because you've been proven obviously completely right about two of them. And the third one is now unfurling before our eyes. Are you confident that you'll be proven right with the third prediction, that Iran ultimately will prevail in this war? Right.

45:56Professor Jiang:So right now, the United States and Iran are fighting a war of attrition. The United States is trying to degrade Iran's military capacity, and Iran is trying to strangle the world economy. And it turns out that Iran is putting a lot of pressure on the GCC. And I think at the end of the day, the United States will be compelled to send ground forces. Once the United States sends in ground forces, there's no turning back. It's all in. The second cost fallacy kicks in. It'll be another Vietnam for the United States because Iran is a mountain fortress. And the United States right now doesn't have the manpower, the manufacturer capacity, and the political will to fight a long war of attrition on the ground in Iran.

46:53Right.

46:54Piers Morgan:So I think because of what you said at the end there, it's highly unlikely that Trump would commit ground forces because he's always pledged not to, and I think he would see the inherent danger of that. So if he doesn't commit ground forces, how do you see this war playing out?

47:10Professor Jiang:Well, right now, if Trump doesn't commit ground troops, he does have a variety of options. The first option is just to simply declare victory and call it a day. Unfortunately, the problem with that is that U.S. bases are still exposed. The G.C. economies are still under pressure. The Sharia of Hormuz is still closed. And there are no signs that Iran is interested in peace negotiations. Iran feels as though it has to apprehend because it has the political will and the resources to draw this war out. Now, let's assume that Trump does withdraw from the Middle East. And what happens is that the GCC nations of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, now are forced to pay a ransom to Iran because they supply the world with their oil for the Shelf Hormuz.

48:13Professor Jiang:20 % of the world's oil flows for the Shelf Hormuz. But in return, they get food. So the GCC nations import anywhere from 80 to 90 percent of their food from overseas. And so basically the center of gravity shifts from the petrodollar to whatever financial system that Iran wants to focus on. And it could be brakes, it could be gold, it could be anything. But remember, the problem with that is that the U.S. economy is a Ponzi scheme. This depended on the GCC investing in AI and tech stocks in startups like Uber in order to finance the U.S. economy. If this financing stopped, then the U.S. economy could face collapse.

49:02Professor Jiang:And this means that these young men could not afford their only fence anymore. And this could lead to a revolution in the streets. So the consequences for America would be dire if America were to retreat from the Middle East.

49:18Piers Morgan:I mean, it seems that the key part of all this sort of economic strangulation, if you like, by Iran is the Strait of Hormuz. We've already seen in the last few hours today that the successor to Ayatollah Khomeini, his son, has come out. Apparently, we haven't seen him or heard from him directly, but there's a statement. in which he talks about keeping the Strait of Hormuz closed indefinitely. If that was to happen, what would be the consequences for the global economy, and how soon would we see those consequences?

49:54Professor Jiang:Well, I mean, the consequences would be dire, because cheap energy, cheap petroleum products, are the very basis of the global modern economy. So it just wouldn't be jet fuel that would be affected. It would also be food, because remember, Food is produced by fertilizer, which comes from the GCC, as well as sulfuric acid, which helps the process of semiconductor production. So artificial intelligence, food production, global travel are all dependent on products from the GCC. It's only been two weeks that the Shri of Homo has been closed for almost two weeks now. And already we're seeing high oil prices surpassing$100 a barrel.

50:43Professor Jiang:Iran says that they want to move it to$200 a barrel, which signals that they want the Shri of Homo's closed for months. Now, remember, even if Iran were to open up the Shri of Homo's, it would take weeks before oil production continues. So I think we've, for the global economy, I think we've reached the point of no return. And in the future, global economies have to commit to a bit of deindustrialization and even mercantilism in order to survive future shocks. So if you go to Southeast Asia, Vietnam and Thailand have already ordered the government workers to work from home in order to save fuel.

51:24Piers Morgan:you've pointed out that the gulf corporation council uh monarchies the gcc as you've alluded to several times here are structurally unusual states because they're propped up by oil desalination they don't have their own water supply naturally and american protection uh you say correctly they were built in open desert with no food security as you said 80 imported no water security, the desalination dependency, no geographic defences, they're flat, exposed terrain, no demographic cohesion. In places like Dubai, for example, 90 % of the population are expats, and no independent security architecture reliant on the US, who have bases, obviously, in many of the states there.

52:10Piers Morgan:If you put all this together, is what's happening now, in terms of the tactics that Iran are deploying, including the threats to desalination, but also targeting, obviously, targeted hotels and airports and so on, going to the heart of what the states there would like to see as the future of their economy, which is tourism, sport, entertainment, clearly designed to scare people away from that. Is this now representing an existential threat, do you think, to the business model of the GCC states going forward? Right.

52:51Professor Jiang:So the most vulnerable city and often the most glamorous city in the GCC is Dubai. And for many years, Dubai has been very successful in cultivating an image as the new city of London, as a new Hong Kong of the Middle East. And thousands of these millionaires flock to Dubai for the glamorous lifestyle as well as the tax-free aspect of the city. But the reality is that this was all premised on global peace, on Pax Americana, on the capacity of America to project power all around the world and provide security guarantees to the GCC. Now this aura of inevitability and invincibility of American empire has been shattered.

53:39Professor Jiang:And once an illusion is shattered, there's actually no coming back from this. And that's what people don't really appreciate about this war. This war is not directed, not just directed at Israel. This war is not directed just at the GCC and the illusion of American empire. This war is directed at American empire itself. And what people don't appreciate is the eschatological aspects of this war in that Iran sees a moral duty, a moral imperative from God to destroy the great Satan, which is the American empire. And the base of the American empire, of course, is the global economy.

54:21Piers Morgan:Right. At the heart and the head of the American economy is the president of the United States. You've argued that Trump is not the most powerful person in America. And you've inferred that actually the real power base is Israel. Explain that. Right.

54:40Professor Jiang:So I actually don't say the real power base is Israel. What I say is that the real power base are a collection of secret societies that have an eschatological view of this war. And the secret societies include the Freemasons, which are now called the Rosicrucians and the Knights Templars. They include Jewish organizations called the Sepertine Frankis, who are embedded in religious movements called Shabit Lubavitch. And then you have the Jesuits. You have a collection of secret societies. And they believe that a war in the Middle East would start a process that would culminate in the end times and return of Jesus, the arrival of the Jewish Messiah, the building of a one world government.

55:28Professor Jiang:They have different eschatologies, but a lot of their time frames do align. So where they converge is that there has to be a war in the Middle East to kick things off. This war in the Middle East will lead to the defeat of the American empire, and this will lead to the culmination of the Greater Israel Project, where Israel is able to control the Middle East from the Nile to the Ephrages. Once the Greater Israel Project is in place, it will transform into the Pax Judaica, which is an AI surveillance state. This will eventually lead to the War of Gog and Magog, the destruction of the Al-Azhar Mosque and the building of the Third Temple, the return of the Jewish diaspora to Jerusalem, and the arrival of the Jewish Messiah or the Antichrist.

56:19Professor Jiang:So they have the script scripted out. And unfortunately, a lot of world events are conforming to this script. Right.

56:28Piers Morgan:I mean, a lot of people say a lot of what you've just said is a load of fantastical baloney and driven by anti-Semitic tropes. What do you say to that?

56:39Professor Jiang:Look, I completely sympathize with this argument. Five years ago, I would have said the same thing about this argument and thinking. So what I do is predictive modeling, meaning that I'm going to throw some theories out there. And then based on these theories, I'm going to extrapolate into the future and see what the predictions are. If these predictions are correct, then my theories ought to have some legitimacy. Now, when I teach, I don't engage in historical analysis. I engage in speculative analysis. And so in 2024, two years ago, I did say that this war in Iran would happen, and I provided a lot of my analysis.

57:24Professor Jiang:And a part of my analysis that's very important is the eschatological analysis, meaning that Christian Zionists control the United States. There's a preacher called John Hagee who runs an organization called Christians United for Israel, which has about 7 million members. Christian Zionists are heavily embedded in the national security apparatus and in the Pentagon. There's reporting that U.S. commanders have told their troops that this is a war to bring back Jesus and to be not afraid. So that's my argument. I don't want to believe this, but because this war in Iran is happening, I'm forced to conclude that some of my speculative analysis has validity.

58:12Professor Jiang:Otherwise, it would be very hard to... Well, I think, to be honest,

58:15Piers Morgan:yeah, I think the word speculation doesn't quite do it justice. I mean, look, there's no doubt your predictions so far have been proven to be uncannily accurate in relation to Trump winning and then going to war with Iran. But I think the idea that this is all part of a plot to being back Jesus Christ, look, there might be some people out there that carry such a phrase. I think it's highly unlikely, unless any evidence emerges to the contrary, that they are current commanders in the United States military. But, Professor Zhang, you have a big following. Lots of people are interested in your predictive analysis.

58:51Piers Morgan:It's good to have you on Uncensored. Thank you very much.

58:53Professor Jiang:Thanks, Piers.

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