“Trying To Put A TARGET On Me?!” Mehdi Hasan vs Jonathan Conricus On Israel-Gaza 'Genocide'

26:25And by the way, I'll answer the question, Piers, but by the way, Mehdi... Let him speak, Mehdi. Deal with the Smotrich quote. No, no, you've been misrepresenting cherry picking... No, no, don't talk over each other, Mehdi. Let Jonathan... anything. Let him answer my question. We conquer, cleanse and remain in Gaza. No, no, that's the factual quote. Please let him answer my question. Which Netanyahu agreed with. All right, Jonathan, answer my question, please. I'll answer the question. So Lieutenant General Elial Zamir is an excellent officer. He's the chief of staff of the IDF and he's been leading the IDF with quite significant successes against Hezbollah, against the Iranians, and he is leading the IDF in our war, our very just war against Hamas.

27:09I'm very happy that there's a debate and that's an ongoing discussion between the military echelon and the democratically elected echelon in Israel. I'm not so happy that it's out in the open, but I am aware that it's happening. And I would say that what I read of the reported statements, which I have from pretty reliable sources that are more or less accurate, Maybe not really the tone and the intensity, but a lot of it is accurate. What I read is that the military, very correctly, is asking of the government, what is the end state here? And government, please tell me what you intend for things to happen once we actually go in and fight Hamas and kill them in their tunnels and take out the remaining parts of the leadership leadership and actually get the military part of the job done.

28:05And I think that's a very good point made by the IDF, because that is clarity that is needed. And until that is said and stipulated by the government, I think that it's good that the IDF, as a military in a democracy, is telling the elected democratic leadership that, well, I will execute the orders that you give me, here are the consequences and I wish for you to tell me what the desired strategic end state is. And that's exactly what a military is supposed to do in combat. And I think that now the ball is in the court of the government where they will have to stipulate clearly and to a certain extent persuade the military and everybody serving.

28:48Well, again, it's been reported. What exactly the end goal is. All right. It's been reported again by the Times of Israel that during this six-hour Israeli Security Cabinet hearing last night that Netanyahu rejected the general's push to hold a vote over the current ceasefire deal on the table, which could see half of living hostages freed and the groundwork for a permanent end to the war. Now, Mehdi, what is also emerging is that there is a belief by Netanyahu that the reason he is being so gung-ho about continuing with this is that President Trump has urged him to finish the war in Gaza with full force.

29:27What should we read into that? Yeah, I think we should read into that, that Donald Trump is 100 % behind Netanyahu, as some of us warned he would be. I think there were some people who thought that there would be some daylight between Trump and Netanyahu, that Trump would somehow be better on Gaza than Biden and Harris were. And that's, as I've told you before, Piers, your pal Donald is full on the ethnic cleansing, the ridiculous Gaza Riviera plan, allegedly involving Tony Blair and Jared Kushner at the White House, outrageous open plans for ethnic cleansing, all signed off on by Donald Trump, who said earlier this year that Palestinians will have to leave Gaza and not come back, which is the definition of ethnic cleansing.

30:02That is what Israel and the American government are planning and cooking up for the people of Gaza. It's why the world has now turned belatedly against Israel and on this genocide, because it's so brazen what they're doing in terms of the man-made famine, in terms of the ethnic cleansing, all of this stuff. And, you hostage, the hostage canard keeps being put forward. Jonathan said earlier, oh, it's a partial deal. Yeah, that's what the Israelis wanted. The great irony is Hamas wanted a permanent deal. All the hostages for an end to the war. Netanyahu said no, partial deal. Hamas agreed to that too, so they keep moving the goalposts because he doesn't want to end the war, Piers.

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31:54I mean, Jonathan talked earlier about, you know, what their purpose of combat is. He said he was a proud IDF man. He's proudly part of a military that last week bombed a hospital, not once, but twice. A double-tap strike, according to CNN, triple-tap strike, killing emergency responders, journalists, aid workers. in front of our eyes. That is his glorious military. It's an Israeli military, which, according to Nick Maynard, Piers, who you know, British doctor, I interviewed him last month, he said he treated Palestinian teenagers in his hospital in Gaza over the summer who were shot in the testicles, multiple children, shot in the testicles by Jonathan's military, the same military that killed 15 paramedics in April and then just buried them with their ambulances in the sand.

32:35They were buried in the sand by the Israeli military in April. They lied, the Israelis. They said, oh, the lights were off. We didn't know who they were. Hamas were firing. Turned out all to be a lie. You know what the Israelis did, Piers? They fired the deputy commander. That's it. Nobody went to prison. No one was charged. They murdered 15 people. That's the military that Jonathan's come to defend. The most immoral military right now in the world that is bombing hospitals in front of our eyes. Jonathan? Yeah, it's, you know, it's various levels of ridiculous. But listen, Mehdi, there's been a job opening, Israel finally got rid of Abu Obeda, a very prolific and will-to-do Hamas post-person.

33:13You've really got to get better with your Hamas propaganda. You're a racist, genocidal, war criminal. You support war criminals. You're trying to put a target on me? Are you and Elon Levy trying to put a target on me? Are you trying to put a target on me? You keep saying I'm Hamas and you support killing Hamas. You've done it with Elon and it won't work with me, little Mehdi. If your argument is that any brown Muslim is Hamas, But I'm telling you is that if you improve your Arabic just a bit, if you improve your Arabic just a bit, I think you are well on track to become a very prolific spokesperson for Hamas after the demise of Abu Obeda.

33:53You're being investigated in the International Criminal Court. You are part of an army that is committing genocide, Jonathan. You are touting Hamas' propaganda lies. You are regurgitating things from... I can condemn Hamas. You can't condemn the genocidal Israeli military. All right, let me jump in. Let me jump in. Jonathan, let me jump in, please. And now you want to kill every journalist that speaks out against you. You killed five journalists last week. Jonathan, on that, Jonathan, you killed five journalists last week. Your military killed five journalists. Let me ask a question, please. And you're doing a great job.

34:29And you're doing a great job as Julius Stryker. Let me ask a question because nobody can hear either of you. Nobody can hear either of you. That's how history will remember you. Let me ask you, Jonathan. And the genocide propaganda. Jonathan, about the incident... Jonathan, let me speak. About the incident that Mehdi's alluding to. Where's he going to talk about the hospital? I'm just about to ask him about the hospital. I can talk with the hospital. Let me do my job. Let me please ask you a question and do my job. So, Jonathan, the incident that Mehdi's alluding to, the double-tap attack on a hospital which killed five journalists, this takes a total of journalists to over 200.

35:04There are now journalists all over the world who are protesting about this. People from CNN, from Reuters, from AP, from every serious news organisation in the world, saying that there is a mini-genocide going on with actual journalists in Gaza, and that the only reason for this, the deliberate systematic attacks on journalists, is because Israel does not want people reporting on what is actually happening there. I know you agree with me, because you've said it many times, that Israel should allow the international media in to do their jobs. But so far, they're not doing that. They're only allowing in certain friendly journalists embedded with the IDF to report what they want them to report.

35:45But until there is free unfettered access of journalists into that region to report on this stuff, there is a belief that Israel is going about now deliberately or systematically killing Palestinian journalists to silence them. What is your response to that? Yeah, that belief is wrong. And I have a few things to say. First, about the horrible, tragic mistake at Nasser Hospital. That is not what I envision in terms of Israeli operations. That is a tactical mistake by forces on the ground that saw a camera on top of a building, assessed that the camera was operated by Hamas, because Hamas has been operating cameras from all civilian buildings, including from hospitals, in order to monitor the troop movement of Israeli troops and then to detonate IEDs or otherwise to direct combat activity against Israeli troops.

36:47And that is why when Israeli troops saw that camera and other activity on top of that building, they engaged. Regretfully, five journalists, some of them working for international media outlets, were killed. That is not a desired outcome. That is a mistake. And that should not happen on the battlefield. Full stop. Six terrorists were also killed in that attack. When I spoke with six Hamas known operatives were killed. When I spoke with people in the IDF, my questions were actually about the second strike, which we saw live on an Arabic network, which I agree looks horrible, should not happen, and is something that I'm waiting for the IDF to investigate and to present findings and to say, this is why the mistake happened and these are the steps that we have taken in order to rectify it.

37:44And I believe that the IDF will do that. And I believe that this is not what the IDF was seeking to achieve because it was very clearly aid workers and others that were trying to rescue people that were wounded from the first engagement. So this was not intentional. This was a battlefield mistake in a chaotic or very difficult combat environment of troops that are under fire from civilian buildings where the enemy uses hospitals and schools and mosques and houses in order to fire from. This is the reality in Gaza made by Hamas, which we many times gloss over. There was nobody fired from the hospital.

38:21As I said, they were from that... But first of all, Hamas has fired from the Nasser Hospital several times in the past, and Hamas has been using cameras from various buildings, mosques, schools, and hospitals in Khan Yunus, in Gaza, in Rafakh, in all of the Palestinian villages and cities. And that is why the IDF thought that the cameras that they saw were linked to Hamas. But I'm saying it very clearly. That was not the intended outcome. Mehdi? Can I respond, Piers? Yeah. So on this hospital attack, let's just be very clear here, because so much gaslighting going on here. First of all, I'm old enough to remember October 2023 when the world went mad to suggest that Israel would ever attack a hospital.

39:01We were told for months Israel would never attack a hospital. Now they proudly attack a hospital and try and justify it with nonsense justifications. We attacked it because there was a Hamas camera on the roof. First of all, it wasn't a Hamas camera. It was a Reuters camera. Reuters already gave the Israeli military their positions. There were no Hamas cameras on the roof. It's a ridiculous new phase of Israeli propaganda to say it was a Hamas camera just to fight killing 20 people, which was insane. OK, let me speak. If you stop interrupting, if you stop interrupting, then I'll deal with that lie.

39:29You already said it. You said there was something. Let me respond. Let me respond. Six Hamas terrorists that were killed. You're lying. And then Mehdi respond, please. And Mehdi respond, please. And Mehdi respond. Six Hamas operatives were not killed. You claim they were killed. No evidence has been provided to the international media that there were six Hamas operatives there. In fact, the six photos that were released, two of them were killed the day before. One of them was a well-known local firefighter who Israel already dealt with. They were not six Hamas operatives who were killed in that strike.

39:55As for it being a mistake, how can it be a mistake, Peirce, when it was a double... Can you shut up so I can finish a sentence? It doesn't make a truth. I'm going to get to speak on this show. Jonathan, he let you speak, let him speak. But I mean, if you're going to lie and you're going to expect me to see... Well, you both accuse each other of lying all the time. Let many respond and you can respond back. And the world can see that... Jonathan, we're on Piers Morgan. I get to speak. We're not in Gaza. You don't get to kill me as a journalist. I get to speak here and point out that the journalists were killed in a double-tap strike.

40:25There's no way you can call that a mistake. The only thing you do in life is speak. He can't shut up, Kenny Piers. The only thing you do in life is lie and take money from the government. I'm going to keep speaking and make my point. Like I said. All right, let me know if here's what I can speak. Introducing Meta Glasses. Hey, Meta. Any last-minute tables for two tonight? Sure. There's a great Italian restaurant 15 minutes away. Hey, Meta. Where's the nearest flower shop? Five minutes away. Straight down Broadway, past the bodega. Their lilies are trending on Instagram. Just saying. Hey, Meta.

41:00Am I forgetting anything else? How about setting a calendar reminder for next year? Meta glasses, available in more than 20 styles. Jonathan, please let him respond. Because he won't shut up. I need to be able to make a point. No one can understand you when you talk over each other. Six Hamas operatives were not killed. Medhi, finish your point. Six Hamas operatives were not killed. Six Hamas, I barely started it. Six Hamas operatives were not killed. Israel claims they were killed. It's been debunked. 20 people were killed, including five journalists. It couldn't have been a tragic mistake, as Jonathan claims, because it was a double tap strike.

41:28The Israeli media reported that the Israeli military did it deliberately. In Israel, in Hebrew, they're not saying it was accident. They said it was a coordinated attack, a double-tap strike. How do you explain a second strike nine minutes later? There is no mistake. It's what Boko Haram, ISIS, al-Qaeda do. It's deliberately to kill emergency responders. 972, an Israeli media organization, says it is now standard procedure for the Israeli military to do double-tap strikes. Last summer in Mawasi, the New York Times has video of the Israelis doing a double-tap strike on Palestinian paramedics. You know what Israel said at the time, Pierce?

41:57We will investigate this incident. Guess what? A year later, no investigation. No one was charged. No one was punished. They always say this to gullible interviewers in the West. Well, we're investigating this mistake. Not a single Israeli soldier has gone to prison for killing anyone in Gaza since October 2023. You'll remember, Piers, I said that to Alan Dershowitz on your show. I remain to be fact-checked. It is true. Nobody went to prison for killing 15 paramedics in April. Nobody went to prison for the Mawasi double-tack last summer. No one will go to prison for killing 20 people in this hospital.

42:27Jonathan and his military love to do war crimes, and no one holds them to account. Jonathan? Nonsense. Israeli officers have been removed from their positions. Who's gone to prison? Jonathan, who's gone to prison? Who's gone to prison? You said nonsense, Jonathan. Who's gone to prison? Ah, I was right. I said nonsense, which is everything that comes from your mouth is either Hamas propaganda or both. Mehdi, let him answer. Name the person who's gone to prison. He's not answering. Name the person who's gone to prison. You and Alan Dershowitz cannot name a single Israeli soldier. I can't understand what he's saying.

43:00IDF soldiers, yes, IDF soldiers have been disciplined and sent to military prison for misconduct. And they are still open investigations... Not a single Israeli soldier, Piers, has gone to prison for killing a Palestinian since October 2023. By the military advocate general about... Yes, they have. I don't remember the name, but I know of several Israeli soldiers. You're lying. Anyone can Google it right now. Jonathan Conriquez is lying to you. In April, 15 Palestinians were killed. You can say whatever you want. You can continue to make up half-truths. It's a fact. Google it. Sky News has the story.

43:36And Sky News has the story. We're on YouTube, Jonathan. People can Google that you're lying right now. I know for a fact that Israeli soldiers have been disciplined. April 2025, 15 paramedics killed. Not a single soldier in charge. You don't like you when he interrupts you, Mehdi. Yes, I am interrupting Jonathan. Jonathan, I have no interruptions. You don't like human evil. So I'm going to fact check your lies. That's how it works, Jonathan. That's how it works, Jonathan. You're not in a position to fact check anything. You're a mouth for hire. You're a paid propagandist. Who are you to fact check anything?

44:09The viewers are fact checking. You are a mouth for hire with no moral tethering in the world. Go on Sky News right now. You're a mouthpiece for Hamas and for Qatari money. Who are you to fact check anybody? April 2025. You are a paid mouth. April 2025. You're a paid mouth in a suit. Who are you to fact check anybody? April 2025, Jonathan. Who are you to fact check? You have no legal standing. You have no moral standing. You have no factual standing, Mehdi. April 2025. The last time you visited anywhere near a war zone was maybe 20 years ago. You realize nobody can understand a word you guys are saying, right?

44:42I mean, you do realize that. Who are you to fact check, Mehdi? Do you realize when you both talk at the same time, nobody can hear either of you? You realize that, right? I mean, we all understand. You should have got him to stop interrupting for the entire show. Everybody understands that when you both talk at once, nobody hears you. So I don't understand why you can't just take it in turns. Well, you can both sides it, Piers, as usual. You both find the others interrupting. Well, you both hate the other one interrupting you, then you both do it yourselves. Why don't you try and practice interrupting for the first half of the show?

45:12Be honest. Huh? Piers, who did all the interrupting for the first half of the show? Be honest. I think if we actually add up now the number of interruptions, you're right up there with Jonathan. Now, you don't get to start at the end. Well, you don't start at the end, Piers. Even more than that, Mehdi. No, you're not reacting. You're instigating, and you are a mouth... You just want to silence me. Like you silence every journalist in Gaza. You kill journalists to silence them. You can't handle people. You can't handle them. You can't kill me. You represent Sharia. You represent a hatred of Western society.

45:44Jonathan, let me ask you a question. You represent dubious, clandestine... Let me ask you a question, Jonathan. Let me ask you a question, Jonathan. I am Weston. Let me ask Jonathan a question, please. Let me ask a question, please. Please. Otherwise, I'll just stop it. It's pointless. Jonathan. What a waste of time. Jonathan, I want to ask you a question. I thought I was coming on to debate John Spencer. I'm listening. Not this ridiculous war criminal. Yeah, you're ridiculous, Mehdi. A small man far away from action who represents nothing. But I'm not a war criminal. You're the one who's in the military that's being investigated.

46:17No, and neither am I. And the International Court of Justice. Okay. Yes, you are actually part of a military that's being investigated at the ICJ and the ACC. Not just a mouthful hire. You were a Julius Stryker propagandist for these Israeli military lying about every war crime. I don't know whom to commit to slander Israel. I'm going to leave it there and you can carry on talking to each other. It's a bit pointless because no one can understand the word you're saying. I'm very glad you both set the right tone for not interrupting each other. You should have moderated better, Piers. It's a shame because actually it was an interesting debate.

46:47You should have moderated better at the beginning, Piers, because I don't like being interrupted. I'm sure the viewers will conclude that I'm the problem here. I'm sure they will. I think they will in the first half, Piers. I'm sure the viewers will conclude that the endless interruptions by both of you is my fault. Well, every time I come on this show, I get interrupted by Dershowitz. Yeah, but you then keep interrupting them as well. Maybe because you're so full of it, Manny. Yes, that's what happened, Piers. Maybe because the lies that you say are so full of it. That's exactly what happened.

47:16Maybe because you're so full of it that even people that normally are very civilized here you tell lie after lie and have to respond to it because you lie. You're part of a military that rapes Palestinian women. Welcome back to the Vieners. You raped Palestinian men and women. Thank you both very much. Piers, my invitation still stands, by the way. Piers, if we're still on, my invitation still stands for you to come to Gaza. Here's the point, Jonathan. I have no interest in being led by the IDF to what you guys want me to see. My only interest is in allowing great international independent journalists from the major news organisations who are genuine war correspondents, which I'm not, to go and do their jobs.

48:00And the longer they're not allowed to do it, the more the stench of suspicion grows. The reason for that is that the Israeli government does not want the world to see what is really going on. You know what my view of that is. I think you broadly agree with it. So me going in on some IDF in bed with you where you go, see, look, we're right. See, look, we're right. No, that's not how this works. I want the proper war correspondents who know what they're doing to go in and to be assessed independently without the IDF telling them what to look at. That's not how war correspondents operate. I think you're setting the bar a bit too high, Piers.

48:37I think you're setting the bar a bit too high. And I think that isn't something that has happened neither in Mosul nor in Afghanistan or in other places of Iraq or in Syria. That's usually not what happens in an active war zone. Well, that is not what the journalists are telling me. They're telling me they want to be allowed to do their jobs, and they've not been allowed to do it now since this war started. Well, that's fine that that's what they want, but I think we should start with at least coming in, and as I've said, I think you've been leading this battle and having quite an impact, and I think if anybody gets the credit for it, it probably should be you, and I would be more than happy to facilitate it.

49:11OK, I appreciate the offer. Thank you very much, Jonathan. Many years sadly left us. I appreciate you both coming on. Thank you.

49:41and we couldn't do it without you.

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