“Unbelievably EVIL!” Israel Unleashes ‘Barbarity’ In Gaza + Dave Smith On Druze In Syria

23:04I even trashed elements of the left who refused to criticize Hamas for what they did. OK, so you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to that issue. OK, you made that clear. But you can't on one hand... All right. You can't on one hand talk about the injustice of what Hamas did and then turn around and say it's OK if Israel does it times a thousand.

23:24Piers Morgan:OK, let me bring Gideon back in here. Gideon, my big issue, other than the slaughter of so many civilians now, which seems to be almost accelerating now on a daily basis, with no control valve at all, now we have a full new wave of ground invasion. God knows how many more civilians are going to get killed with this. But my real problem is, what is the supposing goal here? I believe Smodrich when he says he wants to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians. OK, but how does any of this make Israel safer? How does any of this help Jews around the world who want to get in with their lives and not have to feel threatened when they walk out of their front door?

24:03Piers Morgan:How does any of this do anything but what the critics of it, including allies and friends of Israel, say it's just fermenting the hatred, fermenting the ideology that Israel just wants to kill all the Arabs it can, which I don't believe is what they want to do at all. But I do believe that out of what happened October 7th, there's been a collective meltdown of common sense from Israel's government, and they're now just on a never-ending rampage with no apparent goal, which makes any sense to anybody else. Here we differ, Pierce. I used to think like you until the recent weeks. Now I'm so deeply convinced that there is a goal, a very clear goal.

24:50And the goal is the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. It is systematic. It is well planned. And listen to what I have to say. All the Holocaust in history started with moving populations and concentrating them in one concentration camp. Israel is doing it by the time we are talking now. Secondly, Israel is destroying the Gaza Strip systematically. It's not anymore a building here, a headquarter there, a school here, a shelter there. No, it's systematic destruction with huge companies who do it for a lot of money. destruction of Gaza, which will make it unlivable. We want Gaza to become unlivable in order that the Palestinians will leave Gaza.

25:46Stop thinking that there is no goal. The goal is crystal clear now. I don't know if it will be achieved, but it is crystal clear, and it's not Smotrich. It's not only Smotrich. It's the army. It's the government. It's big parts of Israeli public opinion to destroy Gaza, make it unlivable, to push them to the southern part of the Gaza Strip, to put them in concentration camps in which they will be longing to the days that they were starving in the Muas and in other places because life there will be much more of the hell. And then, according to the plan, and they say this, whoever will want to leave will be able to leave to other countries.

26:31So we are watching, by the time we are talking now, a horrible plan, a satanic plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza. There is a goal. It's very clear. And the world has to do something immediately to stop it before it will be too late.

26:50Piers Morgan:Shabos, would you like to see the Palestinians out of Gaza? Do you agree with Smodrich? Absolutely not. And I'm very proud of the fact that when I was living in New York City, I drove four hours to Washington, D.C., pre-October 7th to protest Bissal Smotrich. Bissal Smotrich represents a fringe minority of the Israeli populace. One of the tradeoffs of living in a democracy, which, of course, Gaza is not, Iran is not, Syria is not, Lebanon is not, Jordan is not. Israel is the only democracy. And one of the tradeoffs is you live with individuals who have reprehensible views. That's what living in a democracy is all about.

27:21And I'm thankful that individuals like Bissal Smotrich are not part of the war cabinet. When you talk about what are the stated aims of the war, the prime minister has stated them numerous times. Right now, an American citizen, Omer Nutra, an American citizen, Itai Khan, their bodies are being held by Hamas in captivity. So when you ponder, well, what are the goals of the war? They're very simple, and they've been repeated on national television since October 7th. Give back the hostages, both the living ones and the ones you have killed, and force Hamas into exile. And instead of putting the pressure on the dictatorial Islamic regime that have obliterated any chance the Palestinians have of freedom of movement, freedom of expression, their own state, instead you put pressure on the individuals who are responding to an actual genocide that occurred on October 7th when Hamas tried to kill every last Jew they could find.

28:07I believe in a two-state solution. I believe and I want Palestinians to have their own state in the same way that Jews have their own state. The problem is there is one entity that does not believe in that, and that is the entity that is calling from the freeing of Palestine of all Jews from the river to the sea. So if you are pondering, if you are asking, what are the stated aims? Give back the hostages. Can someone please explain why Hamas has the bodies of Thai hostages? Why they took Africans? Why they took babies? No one can articulately make a rational claim for that. And no one can articulately make the claim as to why Hamas thought it would be a good idea to slaughter innocent civilians on October 7th and then assume there would not be any military response.

28:46Piers Morgan:Well, no, I don't think, I don't, I think you're missing, you're missing what I would say. Well, hang on, hang on. Piers, let me just say one sentence. Yes, yes, please do. Gideon. The atrocities of the 7th of October were horrible. I was there the next day. I saw it in my own eyes, I will never forget it. Ever since then, Israel committed 1 ,000 7th of October. You understand it? 1 ,000 7th of October Israel committed. The children, if you take the numbers, the figures, the way that they are being killed, you see that we cannot claim again and again about the 7th of October and justify with the 7th of October all those horrible crimes against humanity which are taking place.

29:31There is a stage in which this is unacceptable anymore. You cannot again and again try to remind us about the terrible things that happened on the 7th of October and the 20 living hostages. You know that every six minutes, every six hours, Israel is killing 20 people, and they are as innocent as the hostages, among them many children. So stop with the 7th of October. It's unacceptable to rely only on this and to say the 7th of October enable us to go crazy and to do those crimes. And second point, stop speaking about Smotrich. The concentration camp in Rafiach is the idea of Israel Katz, Minister of Defense, nothing to do with Smotrich.

30:18Netanyahu, let all this happen. It's not Smotrich. The idea of the humanitarian center or city, whatever, is clearly a stage on the way to transfer them. They say it, not I say it. They say that they will be able to get out of this concentration camp only if they move to another country. This is ethnic cleansing, and it's not Smotrich. It is the Israeli government. The whole government behind it.

30:49Piers Morgan:And Shabbos, just to be clear, if it turns out that is indeed what this Israeli government is moving to do, and they do attempt to expel all the Palestinians out of Gaza, would you categorise that as a war crime? And would you say that Netanyahu and the others responsible should then be tried in The Hague? Pears, let me be clear. If there is a forced permanent displacement of the Palestinian people, I will gladly go back on your show to denounce it. However, what the co-panelists are distinguishing, or excuse me, what they're blurring, is what has been done in every single war fought in modern warfare and with what Israel seeks to be doing now, which apparently is ethnic cleansing.

31:30If you truly believe, as my co-panelists have suggested, that the Palestinian people are facing a genocide, if you truly believe that they're experiencing a discriminant bombardment, then you would do everything in your power to ensure that the innocent civilian population are safely evacuated temporarily so that Israel can kill the terrorists who have embedded themselves in civilian populations, like schools, like hospitals, like nursing homes. The problem is every time Israel or Western countries suggest doing that, suggest moving a refugee population the same way we have moved any refugee population, it's called ethnic cleansing.

32:00So then the alternative, okay, but then you would have civilians living in a dense urban environment where they are exposed to warfare. And then they die because that happens as a consequence of starting a war you have no hope of losing. So it's sort of a catch-22. Either we can safely evacuate them to Egypt, which, by the way, also shares a border with Gaza and has zero interest in taking the Palestinian population. Or we can say, well, if you're not willing to safely evacuate them into humanitarian corridors, then you are exposing them to danger in warfare. But it seems like my co-panels are suggesting that is preferable.

32:30That, to me, is something I cannot understand. That is not rational. That is not liberal. That is not justified. We should safely evacuate civilians, take out Hamas and the dictatorial tyrannical regime. And then once the war is finished, you can safely repopulate Gaza with the same civilian population and build Gaza into what it was meant to be when Israel left Gaza in 2005, which, again, to your point of ethnic cleansing, Israel is doing a pretty shitty job of ethnic cleansing when, A, there are more Gazans post-October 7th alive than there were pre-October 7th, and, B, Israel has given up Gaza in 2005.

33:03They gave up the Sinai Peninsula in 1979. They have consistently given up land in the name of peace. You know how much land the other Arab nations have given up? Zero. Because their starting position from 1948 was the eradication of the Jew from the river to the sea. And that's what the root of this conflict is all about, is the inability of the Palestinian leadership to recognize the fruitfulness of coexistence and peace. I believe in coexistence and peace. I believe the war should end. Are you going to let him filibuster up here? Final word to Anna. The same, same. Okay, a final word to me. Thank you.

33:38I appreciate that. If this was really about getting the hostages back, then Israel wouldn't be reigning terror on the Palestinians in the West Bank, which is a separate territory, which was not governed by Hamas, but they are reigning terror on them. They're allowing these terrorist settlers to run Palestinians out of their homes. They're bulldozing homes. They're building additional illegal settlements. They're openly talking about annexing the West Bank, by the way. So all of these talking points are so easy to dismantle. Why should Egypt clean up your mess? Why doesn't Israel absorb the Palestinian people in Tel Aviv or some other part of Israel if they're so concerned about civilians getting killed?

34:18It's because they're not concerned about civilians getting killed. They do want to ethnically cleanse. They want to force Egypt, which, by the way, is having overpopulation issues of its own, to absorb a problem that was created by Israel and the United States. And no one is under this ridiculous impression that this would just be a temporary relocation of the Palestinian people. Why did Benjamin Netanyahu use the greater Israel map in the very beginning of this genocide publicly during a press conference? He did it because this is all about the greater Israel project. He believes, first of all, he's totally against the Oslo Accords, has been from the very beginning.

34:57There are videos of him when he's in his, like, 20s talking about how the Palestinians should not be allowed to have their own state, their own right to self-determination. We're not stupid, Shabbos, okay? We're not idiots. We see it clearly. You can say whatever you want to say, and the same talking points are regurgitated over and over again. We're not buying it because we can see the facts on the ground. And Gideon Levy, let me just say to you, God bless you. Thank you so much for speaking out because I know, I know that there are people out there who have the wrong impression of the Israeli people overall.

35:32And I'm talking about civilian people, but there are wonderful Israelis. There are people who have the humanity in their hearts and their souls. They see what's happening. They're against it. Wonderful Jews all over the world, including here in the United States, who are protesting against the atrocities that are being committed against the Palestinian people. So thank you because it's important for people like you to speak out, to at least provide a counter to the narratives and the lies that provide cover for the slaughter that we're seeing right now in Gaza. So thank you.

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36:37Piers Morgan:Well, many influential people have been tagging both me and Dave Smith over the past few days demanding to know why our apparent wicked anti-Israel bias has prevented us from discussing the Druze in Syria. So I thought we could address that head-on. Dave Smith was supposed to be debating Gouria Eland on that issue and others, but Gouria has just decided he is otherwise engaged, perhaps after listening to the last part of this debate. Well, Dave Smith, host of Part of the Problem, has not disappeared. He's remained with me. Thank you, Dave, for sticking with the programme. Yeah, I'm sorry that your fellow debater has done a runner, but he obviously didn't like what he was hearing.

37:13Well, I'll take it. I'll win this one by default.

37:17Piers Morgan:Let's just talk first of all about this situation with the Druze in Syria. You know, I've been accused of not saying anything. There was a post today of an apparent Druze being executed in cold blood. I said it was absolutely horrific. I think anyone being executed in cold blood, it's a horror story. What is your take on what is happening there? Is Israel justified in defending the Druze in Syria? Oh, absolutely not. And I don't believe for a second that they are defending the Druze in Syria. I mean, it just, to me, it seems especially, you know, just look, think about the conversation you were just having.

37:54We're supposed to believe now that the Israelis are just so, you know, I saw, who was it? It was one of the neocons I saw tweeting the other day. He goes, I've just seen the footage of the Druze being killed, and it's just heartbreaking to see. Like, we're really supposed to believe that that's what's motivating them, yet we've seen a thousand times more footage coming right next door in Gaza, and that hasn't motivated them to stop. But the crazy thing, as you pointed out, that I've been tagged by so many of these Israel defenders is that, look, I hate the term whataboutism. I hate when people use it.

38:30I think it gets used incorrectly and it gets used to stifle people putting things into context often. But this, first of all, really does seem like an example of just being like, well, you're concerned with the people dying here. How come you're not talking about the people dying there, which is not a legitimate defense? It would be like telling someone to stop doing archaeology because we need, you know, what about cancer research? Well, OK, there's we can all specialize and focus on different things. But specifically in the case of Syria, it's so outrageous because, as you well know, Pierce, I mean, it was for many years going all the way back to 2011.

39:07It was the policy of Israel, the United States of America, Saudi Arabia and Turkey to attempt to overthrow Bashar al-Assad. And they had a years long campaign. I mean, the Saudis sent suicide bombers in. the United States of America poured billions of dollars into the conflict, well past the point where they knew it was getting into the hands of ISIS and al-Qaeda, and they lied about the moderate rebels. But even Barack Obama at the time had admitted that the idea that there was some moderate rebel fighting force that was going to get in between Bashar al-Assad's army and ISIS and conquer both of them was ridiculous.

39:45Now, as you know the history, Russia came in, Putin intervened and kind of prevented that regime change for a while, and then ultimately they got it. But Israel was bragging, Netanyahu himself was bragging after Bashar al-Assad was overthrown, or after he fled, that Israel had paved the way for this situation. So myself and many other people in the non-interventionist libertarian camp had been screaming now for nearly 15 years that this will be a catastrophe. As bad as Bashar al-Assad may be, it was obvious who was going to take power if this vacuum was created. And of course, Jelani moved in, and now we have al-Qaeda essentially in charge of Syria.

40:27And very predictably, this is a bad situation for the Christians and the Druze and other minorities in the country who were, let's say, reasonably protected historically under Assad by regional standards. And so, yeah, it's terrible what's happening there. I don't believe that the motivating factor for Israel bombing them is the protection of the innocent civilians. And I think that this is kind of further evidence that the quest for regime change in Syria was an unwise policy to pursue.

40:58Piers Morgan:I mean, you could look back in the whole century at regime change, you know, in Libya, in Iraq, everywhere and incredibly unpalatable though it may seem uh it's very rarely can you point to any of it that's ever actually worked you know for the reasons we may now be seeing in syria it all sounds good um but actually where's it worked well i mean look the examples that people would point to would be germany and japan as historically and and look to be completely fair here to the other side. I mean, those are pretty remarkable examples. I remember I read Henry Kissinger's book, World Order, which by the way, try reading a Henry Kissinger book without hearing it in Henry Kissinger's voice in your mind.

41:47It's an impossible challenge. But he says in the opening of the book, he says that the greatest US president ever was Truman. And now while I disagree with his assessment on this, but you could see from Kissinger's point of view, he goes, look, the greatest achievement ever by an American president was to defeat Germany and Japan and then bring them back into the world order. And however you feel about that, that is a pretty remarkable achievement. But let's not kid ourselves. What did it take in order to do that?

42:17Piers Morgan:But also, let me rephrase my statement. I wasn't talking that far back in history. I'm talking about since the Arab Spring and all the uprisings there. Because I've been on CNN for like a month when that was going on. And I just remember it all. I remember everyone feeling like, well, this is going to be great for all these countries. Yes, yes. And actually - Yes, people got swept up in it. And the hard reality is that it sounds great, but the reality often is it just creates mayhem. Yes, yes. But so anyway, the point I was making is that you have to go that far back into history. We had to go to total war against the civilian population and take innocent civilian life in staggering numbers like we have never happened before in the history of the world.

42:59But also, you'd even have to ignore the precursor to World War II, which was World War I, when Woodrow Wilson said, we're going to make the world safe for democracy. And the world certainly wasn't safe for democracy at the time. It was monarchs who ruled all of Europe. But when those monarchs were overthrown, what rose up was Lenin and Stalin and Adolf Hitler. And so even before those examples, we should have gone in knowing that regime change is a very risky game. And of course, to your point, the entire run of regime changes post 9-11 and those, you know, starting before the Arab Spring, but through it and after it, every last one of them has been a catastrophe.

43:36And so this is one of the things I was warning about a few weeks back when Donald Trump was talking about regime change and a lot of the war hawks were advocating for it in Iran. And they're trying to convince you, Pierce, that the son of the Shah is going to walk in and take over and it's going to be liberal 70s Iran again. But there's simply no guarantee of that. And much like we're seeing now in Syria, we saw in Libya, we saw in Egypt, we saw in Yemen, we saw in Afghanistan and we saw in Iraq. These regime changes led to a far worse catastrophe than we had before them.

44:11Piers Morgan:Do you think there should be regime change in Israel? Well, I mean, I certainly wouldn't advocate a regime change war there because I've all the points I just made and I've seen how that worked. But in terms of like there's lots of countries in the world I'd like to see the regime change. I'd love to see a regime change in North Korea and in Iran, too, just not one that was imposed by outside force. No, actually, I meant a kind of organic one where Netanyahu's been delaying having an election. If there was an election, it just seems completely baffling to me that a majority of Israelis, and the polls suggest this is not the case, that they're not utterly repulsed by what is being done in their name now in Gaza.

44:55Piers Morgan:You know, you could easily construct, as I have done, a defence of what the Israeli government did to dismantle Hezbollah. Incredibly surgical, extremely successful from a military perspective. Very little civilian casualties. You could just say that was an exemplar attack against a terror group, which was very successful. Similarly, I would defend their right to do what they did in Iran. I think you feel differently, but other people take sides either way. But again, it was pretty surgical. There wasn't much civilian loss of life as it went on. It clearly did have a big dismantling effect on a lot of Iran's ability perhaps to progress to nuclear weapons.

45:33Piers Morgan:So you can see the logic here, but I see no logic whatsoever for this indiscriminate carnage now in Gaza or where it's leading other than exactly where Smodrich said three, four weeks ago it was leading, which is the expulsion of all Palestinians, which would be just a clear example of an ethnic cleansing war crime. Yeah, that's exactly right. And look, I mean, we may disagree a little bit about the Iranian situation, but there's no question, right? The one in Gaza is the one that's just totally indefensible. I mean, when you think about it, it was, if I do my math right here, it was 18, 19 months ago that South Africa brought their genocide case to the International Court of Justice.

46:19And the court ruled that it was plausibly a genocide then. And now, almost over a year and a half later, we're sitting here and the IDF is shooting at starving people as they're desperately trying to get a tiny bit of food. They're setting up a concentration camp and they're openly talking about ethnic cleansing. They can call it relocation or transfer, but this is just pathetic euphemisms at this point. And so to be this a year and a half plus after they were credibly accused of genocide, I mean, this is indefensible. And I completely agree with you, Pierce. It's shocking that the Israeli people who I do not, you know, through all this time, I have never once condemned the people of Israel.

47:00I always keep it to their government and the neoconservatives and the war hawks. But I am shocked because there are good people in Israel. And it's shocking that they're not like morally appalled by this, particularly given the history that us Jews have and how connected to that so many Jewish people are, that they'd be on the other side of this genocide. But then on top of that, I'm almost more baffled by just by their own instincts for self-preservation, that they don't simply read the room and go, we cannot get away with this. Even if we can get away with this politically in the moment, which they might be able to, they have turned global opinion against them, particularly with the younger generation, in a way that simply will never be reversed.

47:41Their only course to reverse that would be that organic regime change that me and you were just talking about, would be for the Israeli people to stand up and say, hey, we've had enough, and we simply will not support our government as they do this. And the fact that they don't see the writing on the walls, you know, there's that line from the Simon and Garfunkel song where they say, how does it go? The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls and tenement halls. There's, you know, look at that, Pierce. You know, you're probably more connected to like the internet culture and the signals of the new media than anybody else.

48:17Look at the writing on the walls all around you. Israel will never be thought of the way that people in your generation and my generation thought of this when we were young. You know, the victims of the Holocaust who went and set up their own state for their own independence. The Israelis will now forever be known as the group that inflicted a Holocaust on these poor trapped people next to them. And I can't believe more of them aren't standing up against it just for their own self-interest.

48:44Piers Morgan:No, and what concerns me is what Israeli people may be hearing and seeing on their media. It's a bit like in Russia. You know, I'm told by people in Russia, it's just a constant diet of extremely pro-Russian propaganda gets pumped out morning, noon and night. And that's really what the people hear. And I wonder whether there's a very insular thing going on in Israel with the media too, where it's very difficult, if you're not minded to do it, to actively go and seek it, to hear or see anything different on your local Israeli media. I've heard it's incredibly one-sided and relentless. I mean, I'm sure there's some truth to that, but I've got to say I could prosecute an entire case against the Israeli government just using Haaretz and the Times of Israel and the Jerusalem Post.

49:38So it's not like they don't have access to this information. I mean, that piece, I believe it was titled A Killing Field in Haaretz last month, where they got IDF soldiers on the record admitting that they were given, or at least one on the record and a bunch off the record, admitting that they were given orders to shoot at the people desperately trying to get food. And the Israeli government denied the orders were given, and they disputed the number, but they didn't dispute that it was IDF shooting at them. So that excuse, I don't think the Israeli people have that excuse anymore. They also have the internet there, which I don't think is exactly the same as the Russian situation.

50:12So, you know, I don't know. I'd like to give them an excuse, but I think they do have access to this information.

50:18Piers Morgan:Just finally, Dave, let's just talk about the Epstein scandal. It strikes me, whatever you think of it, for the House Speaker, and this has happened just as we were about to chat, Mike Johnson has sent the House into early recess, shutting until September to block a vote calling for the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files. He says it's because Democrats are playing political gains. All other votes cancelled in order to prevent the vote on Epstein. I mean, this is kind of dictator stuff, isn't it? I mean, to block a vote, not just one democratic vote, but to make sure a note of others just don't happen either, because you want to dampen down a raging scandal and not be aware that by doing this, almost unprecedented action, you're actually just going to pour fuel onto the flames of the scandal.

51:13Piers Morgan:So it's entirely self-defeating, I think. What's your view? Oh, I completely agree. I mean, I've been shocked by the administration's handling of this. Not so much shocked by the fact that they're not giving us all the evidence or that they want to try to bury this, but simply just the way they've gone about doing this. And that they didn't like, it seems like they didn't even sit down and have a little powwow and go, okay, so what's our angle here? I mean, Donald Trump himself, who really, if nothing else, is the master at selling, you know, selling in general, selling himself, selling his political program, deflecting criticism off him.

51:51But, you know, when he started it off by saying, you're asking me this when there's a storm in Texas. And, you know, it was like it was out of a cartoon or something. And the fact is, right, I think this is the thing. OK, like two things nobody can get away from here. Number one, the real problem they have is that anybody who even spent five seconds looking at the Jeffrey Epstein story knows that it stinks to high holy heaven. Like there is something going on here. You just cannot explain all of these coincidences between his rise to prominence, his rise to wealth, his connections to all these people, getting a sweetheart deal, the cameras going out, having Ehud Barak sleeping at his place.

52:29Like, we're going to need some type of explanation here, and it can't just be, oh, nothing happened. And then number two, even if you could sell everybody on nothing really happened here, there was no blackmail, there was no intelligence connection, it's just Jeffrey Epstein. Well, then, if that's the case, can someone explain to me how Pam Bondi and Kash Patel and Dan Bongino don't all have to resign in disgrace? because you stoked the flames of this thing for years. I mean, not only Dan, Cash and Dan enriched themselves by stoking the flames of this and promising to get to the bottom of it. Pam Bondi put on that ridiculous stunt where she brought all these right-wing influencers in and said it was volume one, implying there was much more to come and then had just tricked all of them and given them stuff that was already in the public record.

53:20So even if it's true that there's no there there, which I am not buying at all, you're you're all still implicated for hyping up this thing that that i guess you were doing on

53:31Piers Morgan:completely false pretenses yeah you know there's an old desert saying if you take a thirsty camel to the edge of an oasis you have to give it a drink i i think they forgot i think they forgot the drink part here uh because i mean i had alina habber on the show ramping it up like nobody's business the clip has gone massively viral i'm not surprised i mean she was saying this incredibly be serious and it's going to have all these names and then it all just gets mysteriously shut down and as I keep telling people, it gets shut down about two weeks after Elon Musk does his bombshell Donald Trump's in the files.

54:06Piers Morgan:You know, you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to think it's all a bit weird. Anyway, Dave Smith, as always, brilliant. I'm sorry that your opponent bailed, but may say a lot about him, not you. So thank you for joining me again. Well, thank you. This was a cool change of pace to just have us talk. Yeah, my message to everyone who's pitched against you in a debate on Uncensored, if you do bail, I'll just use all the time to talk to Dave on his own, which I'm sure he'll be more than happy about. Good deal. I agree. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thanks, Piers. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent.

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