“UTTER Disrespect!” Gaza ‘Ceasefire’ & Trump Slams Putin | With Glenn Greenwald

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0:37That's not true. That's not true. Like many of the things that you just said, it's not true. They want the Palestinians in Gaza either out or concentrated in tiny little concentration camps.

0:48Emily Schrader:If you look at it on its face, this isn't actually an attempt at ethnic cleansing. It's an attempt to protect civilian lives. We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin. Do you want to know the truth? Finally, that President Trump's patience with Putin has been exhausted. The world has changed. You're not the superpower that dictates to the rest of the world. People told Trump that, and I guess he needed six months for him to figure out on his own. He has launched, like, the most massive attack on Ukraine, showing, like, he really doesn't care. This, like, public slap on the face should be something that would tip the scales for President Trump.

1:21Piers Morgan:President Trump again finds himself at the centre of the geopolitical universe, and he's certainly on a winning streak. The US strike on Iran's nuclear facilities divided his base, but decisively ended Israel's 12-day war. You can also point to NATO's historic spending commitment and peace deals between India and Pakistan, Rwanda and Congo as feathers in his presidential cap. A ceasefire in Gaza looks set to possibly be next. Well, the US has guaranteed it won't allow Israel to unilaterally restart the war at the end of the 60-day agreement. A third party backed by neither Israel nor Hamas will distribute aid, which should end the horrific incidents of desperate Gazans being killed as they try to get basic supplies.

2:00Piers Morgan:Whether the IDF can remain in Gaza is a fundamental issue. Some Israelis feel this deal will be a dangerous sellout if Hamas is allowed to regroup and if any hostages remain in their captivity. And sellout is a word also being used liberally by the anti-war flank of Trump's MAGA base on the issue of Ukraine. Last week, the Pentagon paused a weapon WEAPONS TO UKRAINE AND ON THE RECORD LEVELS OF BOMBARDMENT FROM RUSSIAN DRONES AND MISSILES. THE PRESIDENT SAYS HE DIDN'T SANCTION THAT DECISION AND THE WEAPONS ARE NOW ON THEIR WAY.

2:31Emily Schrader:LAST WEEK THE PENTAGON PAUSED SOME SHIPMENTS OF WEAPONS TO UKRAINE. DID YOU APPROVE OF THAT? WE WANTED TO PUT DEFENSIVE WEAPONS BECAUSE PUTIN IS NOT TREATING HUMAN BEINGS RIGHT. He's killing too many people. So we're sending some defensive weapons to Ukraine, and I've approved that. So who ordered the pause last week? I don't know. What did you tell me?

2:53Piers Morgan:Well, Trump is clearly rapidly losing patience with Putin, who's rejected US attempts to broker peace. We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin, for you want to know the truth. He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless. So big developments in two of the world's deadliest wars, but are either of them anywhere near to finally ending? To debate, I'm joined by Glenn Greenwald, co-host of System Update, by Kira Ruddick, who's the member of the Ukrainian parliament, and Emily Schrader, the Israeli-American journalist and broadcaster. Welcome to all of you. Glenn, welcome back to Uncensored.

3:28Piers Morgan:We're going to come to Ukraine in a few minutes, but let's talk first of all about Israel. Do you feel like another ceasefire is imminent? and do you feel there's now momentum to actually bring this war to an end? I mean, those are very different questions. Let's remember that President Trump, with the very adept, skillful negotiating of Steve Woodcoff, did engineer what was proclaimed to be a kind of ceasefire that ought to lead to the end of hostilities the day before he was inaugurated on January 19. And at the time, President Trump was assuring everybody that he succeeded in ending the hostilities, But Benjamin Netanyahu from the start was telling his right flank, telling his country, telling the media, don't worry, this is a fake ceasefire.

4:14We're going to observe it, get as many hostages back as we can, and then we're going to start bombing and invading even further. That's the deal I reach with President Trump. So I think anybody who looks at the series of ceasefires that have happened, but particularly that one engineered by President Trump, which was touted in the U.S. as a path to ending the war, but in Israel was openly talked about as a farce, I think has to be pretty pessimistic. And then there's the added question of what are the terms of this ceasefire going to look like if it's going to be enduring, given that the Israeli government has said they want the Palestinians in Gaza either out, meaning ethnic cleansing, or concentrated in tiny little areas that they control with fences, what we once called concentration camps.

4:57And it's hard to see the world or the Palestinians accepting that.

5:01Piers Morgan:But Emily Schrader, I mean, there's no doubt if you listen to people in the Israeli government like Smodrich and Ben-Gavir, they've been talking, not even hiding it, talking in a very clear way that they want all the Palestinians, Smodrich said, cleared out. They want what most people would describe as ethnic cleansing.

5:21Emily Schrader:Well, I don't think that the comments of Ben-Gavir and Smodrich are representative of the general Israeli public, although they are certainly a problem. And I oppose those statements in full. I want to just clarify something about what Glenn said in terms of concentrating Palestinians in specific areas. We're talking about in the midst of a war, while there is operational activity going on by the IDF, and obviously it's preferable to have them out of harm's way in whatever way possible, the maximum number of people. So if you look at it on its face, this isn't actually an attempt at ethnic cleansing.

5:53Emily Schrader:It's an attempt to protect civilian life, something that's been an ongoing problem since the beginning of the war. In regards to what you said about the ceasefire, however, I do think the general public from right to left is optimistic. They are very much looking forward to seeing some kind of agreement made. I'm hopeful that that can be the case. As we've seen, Hamas themselves stated that 80 percent of their capabilities and their territory, what they control, has been reduced. I do think that we do have potential that we haven't had since October 7th to actually see a change on the ground. And I'm hopeful that that can be the case.

6:26Emily Schrader:But when it comes to the distribution of humanitarian aid, I think it's very telling that one of the sticking points is Hamas insisting that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation isn't the one who's distributing the aid when they've already distributed successfully 66 million meals. And yet, why does Hamas want the UN to be the sole distributor or the Red Crescent? What is it that they gain from that? I think we need to ask ourselves that question because it points to the obvious answer, and that is that the UN and UNRWA has been corrupted. They are in the back pocket. of Hamas. And that's not something that anyone, especially people who care about the Palestinian citizens, should allow.

7:03Piers Morgan:But we've also had, Emily, Harat's newspaper, have IDF soldiers talking to them and saying that actually they've been killing Palestinians who've been lining up desperately for food. That has been now widely reported and disseminated. And many people view that as a war crime?

7:26Emily Schrader:Yeah, there are actually several open investigations, at least three of them, that the IDF is currently investigating, and they very well should. And if someone acted out of what was responsible under the IDF, what they're allowed to do, then they should be prosecuted, and they should serve time. Absolutely. I have no problem with that. That being said, the article in question has a lot of questionable claims that were being made, including a completely different translation from English to Hebrew in terms of what they were aiming at and what they were instructed to do. However, even if they were instructed by someone that is a low-level commander, that's very different than something that's an operational command coming from above.

8:01Emily Schrader:It needs to be investigated, and I trust that it will.

8:04Piers Morgan:Kira Roddick, we're going to come specifically to Ukraine, like I said, in a few minutes, but just on Israel for now, do people in Ukraine, politicians, members of the public and others, Do they feel like their own situation has been overtaken, if you like, overshadowed by what's happening in Israel and that Vladimir Putin has used the situation in Gaza as a cover to really accelerate the bombardment of Ukraine? Absolutely. This is what we have seen since October 7th, when the eyes of the leaders of the world were turned to Israel. And of course, it allowed Putin to push us at the front line. It allowed him to try to get back from this being political pariah.

8:55and what we remember that basically Israel and Ukraine, we have one same enemy, which is Iran. All Ukrainians know that Iran hates us because we are being attacked by Iranian drones, shakets, almost every single night. And this is why obviously we are cheering for US attacks or for Israeli attacks on Iran, because we know that our physical survival depends on the success of these attacks. If Iran will be also distracted from supporting Russia to defending themselves, then there will be less drones sent to Russia, less support to Russia, and there will be less attacks on Ukraine. But of course, on the other hand, Israel and Ukraine, we are kind of playing at the same field when we are trying to get as much Western weapons as possible.

9:48And we know that we need to get it again for our own survival. And of course, every time the situation in Israel escalates, it decreases our chances to get enough weapons that we desperately need.

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11:31Piers Morgan:And so we're not entirely sure what is going on on the ground because the people that everyone's relying on are Palestinian journalists, over 200 of whom have been killed. It's very, very hard to get proper information out of Gaza other than stuff that is posted on social media. Do you believe that when this media ban inevitably at some stage is lifted, that we're going to find evidence not just of war crimes committed by the IDF, which may be why they've not wanted media in there, but also clear evidence and proof that there has been a form of genocide waged. Yeah, I think the scope of the atrocities that the IDF, obviously backed, armed, financed, and diplomatically protected by two successive American administrations, is nowhere near known to the world.

12:21Obviously, the party that has blocked the media from actually being able to report on it, the independent media or international media that's not invested in the conflict, is the Israeli government. I think generally when one country is blocking the entire world media from seeing what it is they're doing, there's a presumption that that's because they don't want the world to know what they're doing because what they're doing is so repellent and morally obnoxious and atrocious to the world that they want to hide it. But there are a lot of pieces of evidence that this is genocide, including the reporting of Palestinian journalists, which I don't think should be inherently distrusted, more so than, say, like a British journalist or an American journalist, especially since it's well documented with video, with film, with witness accounts.

13:01But on top of that, Peter, I just want to say, you know, this idea that, oh, there's a couple of Ben Gavir and Stroke, you know, are not representative. Yov Golan, who was kind of considered one of the more centrist members of Netanyahu's cabinet before he was fired as a minister, as a defense minister, said when this war broke out that they intend to block all food, water and medicine from entering Gaza, that they will do a blockade. Cindy McCain, who's the head of the World Hunger Program, who comes from a family known for being extremely pro-Israel, extremely pro-Israel, watched this blockade that Israel imposed, not at the beginning of the war when Golan promised it, but also in the last six months, and said that it is not Hamas that's depriving the Palestinian people of food.

13:44They cannot get their trucks in because the IDF and West Bank settlers and other people are physically blocking them pursuant to the policies of the Israeli government. This is a starvation that has been imposed on the population. The reason no one trusts Israel to administer this aid is because they've shown an utter disregard for innocent human life that the entire world has watched. And there are massacres routinely happening at these aid centers. That's why nobody trusts the Israelis or some new group that the Israelis approve of to distribute this aid. And the evidence, Pierce, even without the media entering, you have Israeli genocide experts, you have human rights groups from all over the world, you have UN bodies, and you have entire governments and countries.

14:23You have the ICC. And I realize any institution or media outlet that speaks negatively, Israel is dismissed as anti-Semitic. But there's a huge body of evidence and very competent experts and jurisdictions and tribunals, all of whom have concluded that what Israel is doing is at least ethnic cleansing and probably genocide as well. And that's before we really even get to get in there and see the full scope of the proof.

14:45Piers Morgan:Right. I mean, Emily Schroeder, you know, I've been really struck in the last few weeks by the number of Israelis and Jewish people that I know or don't know who've just contacted me on social media, who I've met at socially at events and so on, who all basically have said to me, you know, none of us are comfortable about what is now being done in our name in Gaza. This has gone on too long. It's been too devastating on civilian loss of life. The end goals of hostages released, of Hamas being completely wiped out, etc., have not been achieved. And they feel increasingly uncomfortable. And you've got Netanyahu, who's reliant on the likes of Smodrich and Ben-Givir for power, who's being sort of lent on and dictated to by these guys.

15:36Piers Morgan:So when people say they're not that important, they're there. You know, Smodrich is the finance minister, he's one of the most powerful people in that government, and he is saying, we want to kick all the Palestinians out. so I don't think it can just be polling shows that a huge number of Israelis a majority larger share that goal as well they don't care about what happens to the people in Gaza they think that plan belongs to Israel they want the Palestinians out that's not true like many of the things that you just said it's not true

16:03Emily Schrader:you mentioned specifically Israel not being trusted it's not Israel who's not being trusted it's not Israel who's distributing the aid you understand that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is not the IDF correct You understand that exactly zero trucks were approved by the Israeli side that were sent to the UN. That were sent to the UN. The UN was unable to distribute a single truck of aid. Why? Because Hamas raided and looted them before it was able to be distributed. You've got to be kidding. I don't understand, Glenn. Do you prefer that the Palestinians— Emily, Emily, Emily, just— That is not true.

16:35Emily Schrader:It was waiting. There is no evidence. It was waiting on the Gaza side of the border. It was the UN who didn't pick up the aid. It was the UN who had a problem with it. I don't understand. Do you prefer that Palestinians not receive 66 million meals? Are you the one who wants Palestinians to stop? Let me just ask you. I just want to ask you. The Israeli government announced this blockade. It wasn't just all these anti-Semites embedded in every organization in the world and the media outlets in the world that were saying the idea was blockading. It was people like Cindy McCain, the World Health Program, multiple countries.

17:10The Trump administration as well said they're very concerned about this idea. Why deny when everyone knows it's true, which is that the Israeli government blocked humanitarian aid filled with food and water and medicine from getting into Gaza?

17:22Emily Schrader:You deny that? The fact that there was a temporary blockade, the fact that there was a temporary blockade does not reflect what's happening on the ground today. You're conflating two different things. One of them is a temporary blockade that was implemented by the IDF. How long was that temporary? And the other one is what's happening several weeks. But that blockade was 12 weeks long, Emily.

17:41Piers Morgan:12 weeks long. And what is happening now? What is happening now? I'm afraid, Emily, hang on.

17:46Emily Schrader:That was the distribution of aid when it comes to the Gaza Humanity Foundation. These are not the same thing.

17:52Piers Morgan:Emily, it was the blockade to me that really moved me to be increasingly vocal against what the Israeli government is doing. Because when you take a war-torn population where half of them are under 18 and they're already dodging bombs night after night, day after day, and 50, 60, 70 ,000 have been killed, hundreds of thousands more wounded by these bombs, and their life is terrifying as it is. As Israel goes after Hamas, and I don't dispute that's what they're doing, but in the process they're killing so many civilians. But when you then deliberately starve those people of food and aid for three months, that is a war crime.

18:34Piers Morgan:You are not allowed to do that. And actually, just to finish my point, And actually, what it does, it reinforces the belief that many people on the Palestinian side have, which is this has been a sustained occupation of Gaza for many decades. And that Israel has the power and the ability, as it showed early on when the war started, to turn on and off the water, to turn on and off the gas, to turn on and off the food supply, etc., etc. When you launch, as Israel did, a blockade for three months earlier this year, you are sending a message to the people of Gaza and the world. We have control. We are the occupiers here.

19:18Piers Morgan:And if we want to do this, we can do it. And that is bad for Israel. This cannot go on where you have that power over millions of Gazans, can it?

19:33Emily Schrader:So let me respond to that. I think that there's a couple of things that we need to differentiate. First of all, when we talk about the water and the electricity, this isn't something that Israel entirely controlled. When we talk about 12-week humanitarian aid blockade, this also is because of two reasons. One of them is because they were orchestrating a new mechanism in order to actually get aid into the hands of the people. Second of which is that according to estimates that they had on the ground, that this wasn't against international law on the basis of the fact that they have X amount of calories per person that exists already within the Gaza Strip.

20:02Emily Schrader:Now, if that's incorrect, they should be held accountable. And I do think it should be investigated if that's problematic. But I can't say at this point in time what the actual specifications of that are. I do know that there are reasons other than how you're framing it that go into this equation. And they're important to consider on the ground. Now, what I was saying about Glenn is talking about the distribution today because he seems to think that the Gaza humanitarian foundation is somehow controlled by the IDF when that's not the case at all. And they're actually the only people on the ground right now that are able to get food into the hands of Palestinians who actually need it.