“UTTER Lack of Humanity!” Charlize Theron & Lily Allen’s ‘Toxic’ Feminism | With Jedediah Bila

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22:16Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with EPCLIS. Before starting EPCLIS, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. Paid partnership with Lilly. Respect your time. Ask your doctor about EPCLIS and visit EPCLIS.com or call 1-800-LILLY-RX or 1-800-545-5979. The fact of the matter is, is it just shows a complete and total lack of caring for humanity, lack of caring for children. This is supposed to be the more empathetic sex. And yet when they have power over vulnerable life, they kill it. Really?

22:50You're going to convince me that's the more empathetic, more vulnerable sex? I just have one little thing I just want to say. Yeah, I think for me it's just two things, right? I think that we can – some people feel like the way in which she went about discussing was tasteless. I think that for people listening to it, I did. I think that there's a better – in my personal taste, right? I think there could have been a better way she could have said it. But that's just my personal preference. And I think that's just how she is with a lot of things. Lily Allen, I don't agree with a lot of things that Lily Allen says or how she says it personally.

23:18I think that's the real thing here. However, what I think is important is that everybody's getting abortions. This whole libs, far left, far right stuff, I really get annoyed with that because it's almost as if you're acting like only one – like everybody makes decisions based on their political ideologies, and that's just so immature. And this obsession is like, oh, the libs, libs, libs. We can look at the reproductive stats and we're seeing the starters. We know which political party is advocating for abortion and which one isn't. We know which political party is advocating for and which one's not.

23:50I don't come with that. I'm just saying, for me, this is not a lips thing or whatever. It's really just a matter of taste. And that's what I want to be clear. But how could it not be a liberal?

24:00Piers Morgan:Completely put it in charge. Let Jedediah speak. Jedediah. How could it not be if liberals are the ones, I mean, just be honest, liberals are the ones that are promoting a pro-abortion culture. Liberals are the ones that are saying this should be celebrated. The word here, Ernest, Ernest, hold on a second. The word here to be used is these women are celebrating abortions. And you see young women all over TikTok, by the way, and all over social media who are echoing these voices now. So an abortion is something, whether you believe it should be, it was supposed to be safe, legal, and rare. That was the idea when people were advocating back in the day, pro-abortion advocates were saying safe, legal, Does this sound rare to you?

24:41Oh, every time I have sex, I just run and get an abortion like I went to the dentist? This is a disease of the mind. Access to health care shouldn't be rare. Access to health care shouldn't be rare. Tell her no one's talking about access. You have access to a whole bunch of things in society. That doesn't mean you utilize them. These are women that are going into abuse. Like guns, like guns, right? When you stigmatize abortion, it leads to less abortion access. Murder? When you stigmatize murder, it leads to less murder?

25:09Piers Morgan:Yeah, but actually, Taylor, that argument works the other way, because if you trivialise it and you look like you're slightly gleeful and you're very proud of having had five abortions, as both of them appeared to come over, and that's just the way we can judge them from that clip, they said, don't be judgmental. Well, actually, you can be when people are apparently trivialising it in the way they were. But I think my point is that the reason Andrew is so exercised is not just because he's anti-abortion, but here's exactly what he's been saying for a long time, which is a lot of women treat it like it's just another thing when actually it's more serious.

25:42Piers Morgan:And I agree with that. Even though I support women's rights to have an abortion, no one should be like proud or gleeful or joyful or celebratory about it. I just think the tone you use to talk about it should be serious. Can you understand how that stigmatizing sort of framework would be used to restrict access to abortion? Say, well, you're not pious enough. You haven't repented enough. You're not sorry enough. So you don't deserve access. That is what is used to strip women's rights. Taylor, it should be stigmatizing. It should be stigmatizing for women to talk about abortion like that. This is sick.

26:17This is your empowered women now out there saying, oh, I don't know. I had four abortions, five abortions, six abortions. like you went for a root canal. I mean, listen, this is not the face of an empowered woman. This is pathetic. It's sad. And this is the product, sorry to say, this is the product of modern feminism and what it has done to women. But now they weaponize their ability to kill because that's my view. So I'm going to say they weaponize their ability to kill and they expect society to put a big stamp of approval on it. And people like you do, I'm not doing it. I'm not condoning it.

26:49I'm not doing it. I'm calling it out. And if they feel stigmatized by their behavior, then so be it. Maybe that has more to do with their behavior, their crappy behavior, their sick, twisted behavior than it does by what I'm saying about it. Okay, hold on. Wait, wait. I just want to say this real quick. Let's be real honest here. Even if you personally do not support abortion, you really think that it's a murder, there would be no way, quite frankly, that you want anyone to discuss it. So I think it's insolationally dishonest to act as though we're going to use this extreme of Lily Allen, which I do agree, right?

27:22I personally think that the way that Lily Allen discussed it was not the best way. But to be honest, for those who do not support abortion, which I do support a woman's right to choose, there would have never been a way for you to approve it. So you're using the most extreme example as a way to now double down and justify every other belief that you have on this. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We talk about murder openly all the time. What are you talking about? So why are we talking about Lily Allen? Yeah, so what? We talk about things we We don't support all the time. What are you talking about?

27:52So here's what Chris Morgan and I are understanding. So let's make this make common sense. Pierce and I both, I assume, support a woman's right to choose. I don't know, but I think we do. We both do not agree about the taste of how Lily Allen did it. However, I think for some of you all on this episode, you're not going to ever agree with this. So stop acting like Lily Allen is an example of all women who discuss having abortions because it's not true. You just want to use it as an example to dismiss the case of abortions, period. And so that's the reality. Oh, that's so – well, I see. I see. Hang on.

28:25Let me respond. Let me respond. I see. What a genius. What a genius argument. Yes, Andrew, you think that all murder and murderers are bad, so you're going to point at serial killers and say, see how bad that is? Great argument, genius. No, it's a great point. What a wonderful argument. What's the point of having in Congress? You have to respond to his argument. So clearly it's pretty good because you have zero. That was the argument. Do you understand? Do you understand that I can take things that are happening socially point to the worst of them, even if I don't agree with them to use that as an example of why it's bad?

29:00Why think bad? Think bad. Because look, you can see that. Why think bad? Do you not? Why do you not get this? You're crashing out right now. This is an extreme example. You never liked abortion. whether you like abortion whether you whether you support abortion or not we're not making up this extreme example this extreme example exists and we're commenting on it because there were women all over the country by the way that will say things like my body my choice who cares oh yeah and you know what it's escalating down to other things like plan b people pop in plan b's like candy now this stuff is not being taken seriously and the bottom line is whether you support abortion or not this is a serious matter and the fact that we have women out there talking about it like a trip to the dentist that is a problem that we need to acknowledge i gotta say

29:52Piers Morgan:i gotta say i just say i i agree with that i i don't think that the way they spoke about it did them any credit at all and i think it actually if i was somebody who was against abortion that That would have really enraged me to see people who have access to free and fair abortions because they're in a country where it's fine. But they talk about it in such a glib manner. I don't like it. Let's just change gears to something else, which is just a bit odd. So I think Taylor, you said earlier that women, about Charlize Theron, women don't get paid as much as men. In fact, it's just been revealed by the Hollywood Reporter, the Hollywood Bible, that the biggest grossing movie star ever is Scarlett Johansson, which I'm told, staggering though that may seem, and I'm a bit surprised myself because I've appeared in 10 movies as myself and those movies have grossed$2.4 billion.

30:46Piers Morgan:So I'm a little surprised I'm not in the mix myself. However, she's bigger than Tom Cruise, bigger than Stallone, bigger than Schwarzenegger, bigger than all of them. And the reason apparently is the Avengers. She's been in the whole Avengers stuff, which obviously, and Jurassic Park and other huge grossing films. But she's moaning as, obviously, when you get an accolade like this, the first thing to do is to complain about it, that she's often been cast for sexist reasons. So, Andrew, I'll come to you on this. When promoting, I think, Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park Rebirth movie came out this weekend.

31:22Piers Morgan:She said, when I was younger, a lot of the roles I was offered or I went for had their ambitions or character arcs revolving around their own desirability or the male gaze or a male-centered story. That's less frequent, though. Something has shifted. I mean, this idea that we might go to the movies to look at beautiful people, that males may gaze at beautiful women, is this the most shocking bombshell of the week, Andrew? Well, it's not just that. Like, how stupid to admit that out loud, basically. Aren't you just admitting that you were a skank for money? Like, if it was really a big deal, you're like, oh god the male gaze is they're sexualizing me it's all why would you take the role then just don't take the role but apparently if it pays good enough she must not mind too much about that whole male gaze thing huh because when it came time for her to collect those millions of dollars based on the male gaze she definitely took the role so i would like her to give an explanation for that male gaze bad but i like to contribute to it as much as possible for money aren't you just basically admitting that you're a hollywood prostitute at that point like if it's a conflict with your values aren't you selling out uh for money literally well taylor your eyebrows just nearly exploded so clearly you don't agree with that i i think it's just shocking the the disgusting misogynistic way that andrew can't help but talk about women um i i mean i i would say also by the way a woman no women generally a woman no no i'm sorry it's not a monolith if i i can critique a woman that's not critiquing all women all the whole show all no no these these lives these lives are not always oh my god it's so crazy oh yes you're a live lady everyone that doesn't like you just so You happen to be liberal on every social policy, but you're not a liberal.

33:16Liberals are hardly where I'm at on social issues. Anyway, my point is that Scarlett Johansson, Piers, I don't know that I would classify that quote as moaning. What she seems to be talking about is just how her roles have changed over time. I would note that overwhelmingly women are paid less than men, even though the highest actress might be paid as a woman. But I think that she's saying it's not a myth that women are paid less. Equal pay myth? Equal pay myth that we can, I mean, that's a whole separate conversation.

33:44Piers Morgan:I think in Hollywood now, it's pretty well equal pay, isn't it? If you get the big roles, I don't think. I think. In music, most of the biggest stars now are currently women, aren't they? Beyonce, Taylor Swift. I mean, I don't know. I can't think of many industries where women are not actually paid at least. Just because there are a few very high paid women in entertainment industries doesn't mean that women across the board make more than men. And when you look at other industries like finance or tech or some of these other - That's because of, listen, Taylor, this is nonsense. That's because of choices that women make.

34:19That's because of the number of hours that they work. That's because women take maternity leave. That's because guys work more hours and work harder. There's a whole bunch of reasons we can get into that really. We actually can adjust it for parity easily. Can I make a comment about Scarlett though here for a second? Because I think what's interesting here is that, listen, she chose, she made all of her money being a sex symbol, right? We can all, she always had the boobs out. She, she made, that's how she made her money. She made the decision to accept roles where yes, she was, you know, part of the male gaze and that's how she made her fame.

34:51I find it really interesting, honestly, that she turns 40, she's older. And now all of a sudden she decides, oh, I'm going to negate all that. Could it be that maybe she's, you know, the male gaze isn't looking at her in the same way anymore. She's not getting those roles anymore, and she's now realizing there's a younger woman on the block, there's a hotter woman on the block. Okay, I'm not getting those roles, so let me hate on them now. Now that I made all my money.

35:14Piers Morgan:To complete the conspiracy theory, is that why Charlize Theron, at the age of 50, has gone out doing podcasts talking about banging 26-year-old guys? Could that be why? Is it to make Hollywood think I'm still hot and desirable? I've still got it. I've still got it. I've still got the young male gaze. Of course, because there is an insecurity. Women don't like to talk about this, but there is an insecurity that arises in women, particularly in a beauty-driven industry. Hollywood is all about looks. It's all about the female gaze, the male gaze. It's misogyny that puts that pressure on women. That's not hatred of women.

35:49Taylor, do you know what misogyny means? It means hatred of women. It is not hatred of women to talk about the reality that women, I'm a woman, I'm not a misogynist. Women get more insecure as they age about their looks when they're in a beauty-driven industry. That's why Botox exists. That's why filler exists.

36:06Piers Morgan:Well, let me go to the expert on the panel when it comes to male gazes at beautiful women. Ernest, your thoughts on this? No, I mean, to be honest, I think that two things can be true at the same time. You know, people have the right to evolve and also see things reflectively. What you do in your young age, I mean, heaven forbid. I mean, you all claim that you all don't support council culture. But, you know, a lot of you all would make the case that maybe she did at one point in time when she was younger, may have thought that's what she needed to do. And that's how she got her career. But maybe years later, she can get older and reflect and say, hey, some of the stuff I did back then.

36:42By the way, it's the same. It's the same with men.

36:46Piers Morgan:Right. I mean, it's the same with male movie stars when they they cross a point where the female gaze moves from them to a younger, hotter model. It's exactly the same the other way around. You look at it all the time. Look at the hot movie male stars of 20 years ago. They're not there anymore. Right, but the difference is, though, with those roles, that's actually not true all the way. A lot of these older men do get to evolve and date younger women. What we don't see that much in how they do... No, I mean female moviegoers going to see male movie stars. The reason they go moves from the female gaze at a hot young movie star to something different when they get older, right?

37:22Piers Morgan:So, in other words, it works the same way. But that's not the same, though. They can get a range. What I think that happened with Charlene, Scarlett Johansson, a lot of these actresses, is that what you'll see with men is that they can do both. They can do the Oscar-winning Leonardo DiCaprio films, and they can also do the sex symbol films. They can also do it simultaneously and still get the awards. Versus what we see with women in Hollywood, it seems to be a double standard, where prestige films that they can be in and star in, oftentimes they don't get the chance to be the ingenue or play into the sex role.

37:54But if they do go that way, they can't have both ways. So Denzel could be both. But Scarlett Johansson couldn't do both most of that. OK, but why? OK, but why would you complain then? Why would you complain and say, oh, the male gaze is so terrible and then take the role as as a woman? Why would you take the role if the male gaze is a problem? She should just own it. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on. I just hang on. Hang on. Let me let me answer the question. Why is it that if you really saw this as a problem from a feminist view, the male gaze, as a female actress who's aspiring, why would you take the role?

38:29Aren't you just selling out for money, dude? I mean I'm not the one – I'm not a woman, so I'm not the one taking the role, but I'm saying something like I said before. See how they don't answer any questions. They just refuse to. No, I'm answering your question. Let me finish. I'm answering your question. What I'm saying is that at the end of the day, it's none of these things, like even the way that people vote for certain elected officials, it's never one size fits all. She has survival. She wanted to get her career. She wanted to do certain things. Does she have regrets? I don't know. But what I will say is that there's a lot of factors that people do when they make their decisions, right?

39:01There are certain people where you don't agree with everything on all aspects, but you do some. And I think at a certain point, that's what happens. I hear what you're saying, Ernest. It just seems a little convenient, though. It just seems a little convenient. to make all of your money, all of your money off of being a sex symbol and an overt sex symbol. I mean, you're half naked, this, that. You make all your money that way. You should own it. She should be coming out and saying, I totally agree.

39:23Piers Morgan:I think that the women I admire in the entertainment world are the ones who are smart, but are unafraid to say, I use my sex appeal and it makes me tons of money as well as my smarts, as well as my talent. It's a whole package. Same with the guys. Own it. Hey, it's Kelly Rowland. You may not know this, but I have eczema, so I get how it can steal your time. But why let eczema take over when you can talk to your doctor about ebglyss? Ebglyss, Lubrikizumab LBKZ, a 250 milligram per two milliliter injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema.

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40:39Piers Morgan:Right, if you're a hot movie star, who's got talent, you're going to make more money than an ugly one. It's as simple as that. It's not fair. Life isn't fair. Hollywood's not fair. I want to end. This was a bizarre moment last week in the House of Commons here in the United Kingdom. So just for background, we have a woman called Rachel Rees who is the first female Chancellor of the Exchequer, so the second most powerful person in the British government, the treasurer, if you like, of the United Kingdom, and she did the one thing which I guess most women who had voted for her would have wished she hadn't done, which is that the weekly Prime Minister's questions with Sakiya Starmad, the Prime Minister, she was openly crying in the background.

41:26Piers Morgan:Now, this followed a very bad week for the government, very bad week for her. One of the signature policies that had to perform a big U-turn on. She apparently had been seen having a blazing row with some colleagues and with the Speaker of the House. She then came out the next day grinning like a Cheshire cat, a little too much for my credible belief, and said that there was a personal issue going on, details of which have not emerged, and I suspect they won't. Andrew, the problem I have with this is that I think a lot of women will have felt let down, that you finally get a female chance of the exchequer, and within a few months she's crying in the most high-profile televised moment of each week in the House of Commons.

42:10Piers Morgan:And it looks like it's just because she had a bad week. Well, gee, who could have predicted this? Who could have predicted that women who are in positions of power may act overtly emotional just based on, well, even the hormones in their body? I am so stunned. I'm shocked. I can't believe that women everywhere are stunned and shocked that women, when they become very emotional, begin crying. No shock to me, of course. No shock to anybody else on this panel. Let me ask Jedidah. Do I think that inside of your leadership? Jedidah, as a woman. All right, Jedidah, as a woman, are you comfortable with what you're hearing from Angela?

42:47I actually am comfortable with it, to be completely honest, because the truth is that men and women are different, and we are emotional, and I kind of wear the fact that I have an emotional cycle that goes like this throughout the month, like we all do, like a badge of honor, because it's what makes me a woman. You can't, the thing is, you can't be in a leadership position and act like that. As an example, do you all remember John Boehner? John Boehner was a disaster. He was always crying. So this is not exclusive to women. Let's just say that this can happen. I totally agree.

43:14Piers Morgan:If this had been, I mean, I think if it had been a man, a male Charles V. G. was checking crying, he'd have got whacked even more. Well, that's the difference. Because if you remember - Howard Dean got ran out for a scream. I mean, come on. People were making fun of him all the time. He was the laughingstock. The difference is here. A lot of people jump and make excuses. Well, she had a bad day. Honestly, I don't care that you had a bad day. You're in a leadership position. I mean, the bond market had a sell-off because this woman was crying. These have real ramifications. So I think what Andrew is getting at is, listen, men and women are different.

43:44And it does beg the question, if we are naturally more emotional, and we are by nature, we are. No, they're not. Yes, they are.

43:52Piers Morgan:Yes, they are. All right, Taylor, I have a question for you, Taylor. That's silly, Taylor. If Donald Trump's bottom lip began to tremble and he started crying on national TV, you know, when he was addressing the Congress or something, I mean, come on, you'd absolutely murder him. He's having tentative tantrums every week. He's having emotional milk. He isn't crying. He's not crying. That's not the same thing. Have you ever seen Donald Trump cry in public? OK, I'm not talking about crying. Listen, here's the thing. Andrew does not like women having any type of emotion. outside of nodding their head, shaking their head.

44:29What are you talking about?

44:29Piers Morgan:What are you talking about? He didn't actually say that. He said women... Ernest, Ernest, hang on, hang on. He didn't actually say... Hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on, stop talking, Ernest. Ernest. I'm acting like Andrew right now. Ernest. Stop talking for a moment. All Andrew said was women are more emotional. He wasn't surprised, right? He wasn't sort of damning women for being emotional. He just said they are more emotional. Do you dispute that? Yeah, well, and she actually said, no, they're not. How would you ever even dispute this? It's objectively true that the hormone functions that are inside of women are different than the ones that are inside of men.

45:10That is objectively true in general. Can you point to some women who are more, hang on, can you point to an outlier of some women? I'm almost done. I'm almost done. Calm down. Calm down. Can you point to some women? Can you point to some women and say that they're more emotionally stable? Sure. But on average, women have far more emotional regularity than men do. In fact, they have one time of the most famous.

45:35Piers Morgan:Taylor, would you say you're more emotional than your male colleagues when you worked with men? Oh, gosh. I've worked with men that have cried in my arms. And it's so funny for Andrew to say this. Those aren't men, honey. Andrew is the one that is proud. Andrew is the one that is losing his mind on this panel, screaming and shouting and making fun and doing all these. I haven't screamed and shouted at anybody. What are you talking about? Do you think that like, if you just assert lies that people who watch this aren't going to be able to see that they're clearly lies? Right now, shouting over me.

46:07Listen to this. This is crazy. I've absolutely no idea. That's not shouting. That's not shouting. Let me ask you this. I think those whoopdeerings are hurting your brain, lady. We can do this for a second, woman to woman, Taylor, because I will say to you, Taylor, there is no. Andrew speaks, therefore shouting. There is no question about it that when you look at Taylor, when you look at a man, his testosterone is pretty steady. Whether you like it or not, his hormones are steady. That's what comprises a man. When you look at our hormones, they do this naturally. That's why we have a cycle. That's why we have the beautiful gift of being able to make babies.

46:40That's what makes women women. So, yes, there can be an outlier over here and there. John Boehner, I use the example of John Boehner, but it's very, very safe to say that in general, women are more emotional than men. And that does beg the question then, if women are in leadership roles where there are serious ramifications like a bond market sell-off, if that woman is seen crying, is that a good look overall for the country? The answer is no. Now, we can sit and have a debate over whether women should be in positions of power or not, but we can't have a debate over whether women are more emotional because hormonally, that's just a fact.

47:13Taylor? Not her, but her colleagues are crying in her arms, though. They're crying in her arms. I mean, yeah, I had a colleague that cried after something horrific happened. That's not what you said. You said that I've had been, you make it sound like men were coming to you and falling to pieces and they were more emotional. No, I said I had a male called cry in my arms. I've witnessed somebody die in front of my face at my job. And do you think, though, that men are more emotional? Yeah, I know. It's so ridiculous for straw man. Is it the case that you, when you work with other men, that you're generally more emotional than them or not?

47:48That's the question. Listen to you crash out. I don't know why you won't answer. Why can't you answer the question, lady? Just answer it. Yeah, just yes or no. You're crashing out. Oh, my God. You're crashing out. I don't know how to answer questions. Oh, my God. Just answer the question, lady. Talking about how women are more emotional as you are. Are you more emotional than your male colleagues generally or not? Can you answer yes or no? That would be great. Are you ever going to answer the question? I've answered it many, many times to say once again. Yes or no would be great. You cannot. You're like a little petulant child.

48:28Yes or no. Yes or no. Screaming and making these silly voices. I'm not screaming. I'm holding you to account. Me talking is not screaming. Is it yes or no? Ignoramus. Yes or no? I think, look at the example right here on this panel. Andrew is absolutely - Still not answering the question, lady. Answer the question, lady. Answer the question, lady. See how you keep calling me lady? You won't call me by my name. Just answer the question. I don't remember your name. Why am I supposed to remember your name? Answer the question. Can you answer the question? This is crazy. Women are not inherently - Yes or no?

49:05Women are not inherently - So you're actually not in biology. That's what she's saying. Are you not hearing what she's saying? You want her to speak the way you want to speak when she answers your questions? All right, let me ask Taylor a different question. Hang on, hang on, hang on.

49:19Piers Morgan:Taylor, let me ask Taylor. I didn't ask her. Taylor, in relation to Rachel Reid's crying in the House of Commons, did she let the sisterhood down? Would it have been better for her to hold it in? I can't answer that question. No. Ernest, you're not called Taylor. Hold it. Look at that. They can answer questions. Yes. Oh, my God. Listen to this man just screeching. Anyway, I will say that I think. Everyone talking is screeching. You are screeching. You're talking, you're screeching. Listen to this. This guy thinks he's like. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Clutch your pearls harder, lady. Just answer the questions you asked.

49:54It's so funny how you continue. Would you like me to mail you a pearl necklace so you can tug it when we're on the panel next time? Oh, I can't believe it. Oh, how I'm treated is so terrible. Just answer the questions. Listen to the smell town that this guy.

50:08Piers Morgan:Okay, Taylor, answer my question, Taylor. Yes, absolutely. So I think that basically, generally, I take your point that any politician that shows emotion is often, or sadness rather, like crying, is often stigmatized for it. But women are stigmatized. To be clear, I think it depends on the circumstance, right? So if there was a terrible event, and a prime minister or a chancellor came out and got emotional talking about a terrible national tragedy. Of course, no one's going to ever think anything other than that's a human emotion. I think the feeling here was that things had just got on top of her.

50:47Piers Morgan:It had been a bad week at work. She'd had a few rows before she came out, and she just lost it in public. And it was that that upset other women in particular. They went, come on, you're the first female chancellor. Don't do this to us. Well, because, again, women are held to this really, really intense standard. And so, yes, any sort of display of emotion like that is going to be weaponized against them by people like this, this man or whatever, who's on the panel who can't stop shouting. But I will say that, you know, this idea that the male leader here, he is talking over me right now. I mean, you can't help but talk about me every five seconds.

51:23Like, what do you want me to say? You can't reference me and then say I'm not allowed to respond. You can't be like this. Taylor, to reference something that you said. Taylor, to reference something that you said.

51:32Piers Morgan:Hang on, I want to hear Taylor answer the question. Taylor. Thank you, Pierce. To finish my point, I will say that men, this idea that male leaders aren't emotional, I think it's just completely wrong because I think they're emotional in different ways. Society stigmatizes different forms of emotion in man. The way that a lot of men express their emotion as political leaders is anger. And what Ernest was talking about earlier of Donald Trump being erratic, irrational, emotional, he is extremely emotional. We have plenty of male leaders who are highly emotional. And they might not be crying, But I would say that their very intense emotions do have significant political and economic consequences.

52:08So I think it's good to destigmatize emotion. But let's not like there's not sexism here.

52:14Piers Morgan:And let's also give you credit, Taylor. You probably had a harder time from Andrew Wilson in the last hour than Rachel Reid's got from her colleagues. And you haven't cried. So I think that should be acknowledged. I'm here. I mean, give me another hour. please just whine and whine and whine you know what i think so i just the whole thing is like you can see even on this panel holding women accountable is basically impossible they don't even answer questions like we asked this lady i don't know how many questions and she answers every question except the one we ask her just reframes the entire debate every time you would have had a way less hard you would it would have been way less hard for you if you could have just actually answered anything we asked you?

52:59Where they literally simply cannot let a woman speak. You'll note, by the way, you'll note how he speaks to me. He doesn't give me the courtesy of speaking with my name. He's been mocking. You called me this man. What are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah, what do you mean? Am I going, oh my God, she called me this man. Oh, she's so disrespectful. This disrespectful voice. It's really something to watch. And I think when we're talking about emotion and we have a man on this very panel who can't help but do these strange little voices and interrupt every two seconds and get mad that he's not interesting can i just say what i find interesting what i find interesting about this panel is that taylor you chose to be honest you chose to talk about sexism and to say well women have you know an unfair advantage in this and they're stigmatized in that and to go after andrew when in fact i've been saying a lot of the same things that he's been saying but you chose to make it about sexism you chose to make it an easy target hold on a second

54:00but it's an easy target it's an easy target to say the man on the panel the bottom line is that women here's the bottom line hey ma 'am why don't you want to be treated as an equal to a man if you want to be treated as an equal to a man then it can't always be sexism this or misogyny this. Nobody's saying that all the rest of this panel are sexist. They're saying that this guy, Andrew, will not... It's the pro. It's the pro. Hold on. Let me... So, I wouldn't say this. It's not about... Destigmatize emotion, except Andrew. But instead of calling sexism, just answer the questions, right? We can do it as women.

54:39Yeah, just answer the question. The way that he... As women. Respectfully, if you listen... Here comes the tone of policing. It's not about... It's about gender, because there's three men on this panel. it's about approach none of us have called none of us are berating her you see how he's disrespecting me and i have even went there but what i'm saying to you ernest listen as a woman i'm saying to you as a woman instead of crying sexism i'm not going to sit here and cry sexism or cry misogyny when somebody comes at me i'm going to answer the question and i'm going to come back okay so that's all i'm saying

55:15I'm not aligning myself with anyone. I gave you my opinion. And that's why you will never say sexism because the men, the other men on this panel agree with you. I don't, I don't agree with you on a lot of points, but I'm respecting you. That's why you can't say sexism. The other two men, Pierce disagrees with Taylor, but Pierce is not disrespecting Taylor and she's not calling him sexist. it's disrespectful to purposely obfuscate and avoid the questions you're being asked that is not respect that is a form of the greatest form of disrespect not tone dude refusing to answer the questions you're asked that's what's disrespectful and doing all of these silly little voices and refusing to call me by my name and just by basically throwing a little temper tantrum why don't we try and end on a happy note i want i want andrew and taylor to end by saying

56:05Piers Morgan:something nice about each other to each other andrew you go first something nice about he's alive that's something nice he's alive he's alive andrew something nice about taylor um well i mean i i it doesn't look like she's going bald i think that that's that's good so you know something nice women in that age bracket a lot of women in that age bracket go bald. I don't know what the deal is. Maybe it's all the plastic. I can't say the same thing for Andrew's hairline, but I guess he has a nice... It's nicer than your hairline. Come on, Taylor. One compliment. Nicer than your hairline. Well, now here he is negating what he just said about my hair.

56:42I don't think Andrew is capable of saying something.

56:45Piers Morgan:You can rise to a higher place, Taylor. Say something nice about him. I said I liked his shirt. I think he's got a nice shirt on, and that is really... We like flannel. On that happy note, we will leave it. Thank you all very much. Thank you, Piers. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, you can ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical, and we couldn't do it without you.

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