“Want To See MAGA DEAD!” Mike Johnson, Eric Trump & Michael Knowles On Maxwell Pardon & More

19:46Piers Morgan:This is the problem, you see. It's very easy to say Donald Trump has slashed federal spending on law enforcement. But if it turns out, as is the case, that it was the opposite and he's increased spending in his big, beautiful bill on federal spending on law enforcement, you should just have the good grace to go, I was wrong. Well, I think if Michael is saying that there is not enough police spending and we need to send in... He just said, Trump increase the federal spending. But I think the point is clear here, and it's one that we need to argue, which is whether or not Donald Trump has done anything to actually aid law enforcement or if he's done anything to tackle crime.

20:22Piers Morgan:If he increased spending, you would say that that is a good thing for the law enforcement, right? I would say that Donald Trump's plans aren't coherent and don't make some cogent argument. Michael certainly doesn't make some cogent argument of how Donald Trump, who has let crime run free with his policies and within his administration, actually cares about responding to crime when those who have had the most success aren't the governors of red states, but are the mayors of blue cities that Michael wants to claim are crime infested and being run into the ground. We have seen in D.C., we have seen in Chicago, we have seen in Baltimore drops of historic lows in crime, like lower than we've seen in decades now.

21:02And I don't know why you won't acknowledge that or maybe learn from some of those Democratic mayors. You can just admit you made a false claim on air. It's OK. People make false claims. We could just move on. You're doubling down on a easily disproven claim. When even the Democratic congressman says you're wrong. Maybe that's what you've made your living to, doubling down on false claims. Let me speak for myself. What Donald Trump has done is, this is all political. He's picked cities that are democratic-leaning. And, you know, these are some, many of these cities, Chicago, the crime is actually declining.

21:34If you look at the numbers. In Detroit, for example, crime is declining.

21:38Piers Morgan:The crime in Chicago is horrific. I had a son there at the university for a year. It is a dangerous city full of serious crime and a lot of murder, right? But look, I'm going to bring somebody in now. Can I point out because you wanted to? Jack? Because, Piers, can I respond to the claim that I made, though? Well, Jack, you referenced the Speaker Mike Johnson. I'm delighted to say I'm going to be joined now by the Speaker Mike Johnson, and we'll come back to the panel. Speaker Johnson, welcome your uncensored debut. I finally got you.

22:07Mike Johnson:I'm sorry it took so long, Piers. I'm a big fan. I always have been. So thanks for your work.

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23:21Mike Johnson:It probably was a slight increase. I mean, we put a lot of emphasis on returning to law and order and the rule of law. The president's demonstrated that with executive orders and everything he's done, employing the National Guard and these dangerous cities. And Republicans in Congress are fiercely committed to that as well. We're limited in some respects in what we could do in the big, beautiful bill because it was a reconciliation bill. And not to get too deep in the weeds on the nuances of the way the legislative process works, but when you're reconciling a budget and what you have to do is prove that you're gonna basically reduce it.

23:53Mike Johnson:And so that's what allows it to meet the criteria to pass with only a simple bare majority in the Senate instead of the necessity of 60 votes. But that said, what we did was reprioritize a lot of the spending and you're gonna see the effects of that. It's ridiculous to me that these big city mayors and these blue cities are resisting the help because I've been pointing to Exhibit A of Washington, D.C., and I tell all the press corps here when they challenge me on it, you're able to walk to your car safely this afternoon and not be in fear of having your purse snatched or your car jacked because President Trump is down the street at 1600 Pennsylvania using his resources to make you safe.

24:27Mike Johnson:How can you even ask these questions? It's absurd to me.

24:30Piers Morgan:The argument, as you know, that comes back, and one of the panelists cited you personally in your district, and they say there are a lot of red districts, states, counties, where there is a lot of crime, the idea that it's only a blue state issue is disingenuous and just playing partisan politics. What do you say to that?

24:49Mike Johnson:Well, look, the reality is that crime is a problem in a lot of places around the country. My hometown of Shreveport was cited by Gavin Newsom, who's trying to troll me and being disingenuous. The challenge in Shreveport is that you have a district attorney who was funded by George Soros, you know, a Democrat who runs the show there. And so it's not just the demographics of the city. It matters who's in charge, and it matters what policies they enforce. You have a lot of Democrats who are fiercely committed still, even though they don't want to say it publicly anymore. They really would like to defund the police.

25:22Mike Johnson:They want soft on crime policies. They want to continue the madness that has allowed the crime to rise to these record levels. And we're not having any of that. And we have to stop it at any cost.

25:30Piers Morgan:There are a lot of people, as you know, who love calling Donald Trump a fascist and people that support him, fascists, and people that work with him, fascists, including yourself. And one of the things they're citing, I've always thought this is a ludicrous thing, by the way, to use the fascist term, but one of the things that they cite is what is going on right now with the deployment of federal troops into states which they believe is unconstitutional and the first obvious step to fascism. What do you say to that?

26:03Mike Johnson:Well, I will tell you my analysis as a constitutional attorney, that's what I did for 20 years. I've litigated constitutional law cases in the courts before I got to Congress. This is not unconstitutional. The first responsibility of the government, including the federal government, is the safety of the people. There's national security perspectives with regard to how we face challenges internationally, but domestically as well. And the use of the National Guard in these scenarios, for example, has been very effective. In Washington, I've cited D.C. as a good example, that the liberal Democrat mayor here actually, as you saw, applauded the use of the National Guard.

26:38Mike Johnson:She's grateful, she said in her own words, for the reinforcements because the Metropolitan Police was not large enough or didn't have sufficient resources to be able to tackle the problem. Well, we've got crime under control. I mean, it dropped dramatically, like 85 percent in some categories here. And that's an effective thing. And the National Guard troops who are being deployed to do this are grateful and happy that they're able to provide this service. It's a win-win for everybody. So that's not a violation of the Constitution. It's the application of common sense. And some of these Democrat governors and mayors are using it for politics because they have Trump derangement syndrome.

27:11Mike Johnson:And that literally drives their decisions, whether it's good for the people they serve or not.

27:15Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, I've warned my Democrat chums. Look, you don't want to get in a position running into midterms or indeed a general election where it looks like you're constantly railing against Donald Trump for being tough on crime. Because everyone knows there is a lot of crime in America, a lot of serious crime, a lot of murder and, you know, equally serious offenses. And actually a president who looks like he's taking that very seriously, that that's likely to be a vote winner, not a vote loser. But defying it and finding endless reasons why you would oppose more draconian action against criminals, you know, I don't think that ever plays well.

27:55Mike Johnson:No, it doesn't. And, you know, hat tip to the Democrat mayor of D.C. who read the room and realized her citizens are being well served. Crime is reduced. People are happy. They're flourishing again. The capital city is shining like a city on a hill again. And she has to come out and acknowledge that that's a good thing. And it would be foolish for her to say otherwise. So we need other Democrats to put the politics aside, do the right thing for the people, regardless of who gets the credit for it. That's not what this is about.

28:21Piers Morgan:It's the right thing for the people of America to go after James Comey, whose federal arraignment is today. You know, I was one of many who felt the lawfare waged against Donald Trump went way too far, was very un-American, leading to a ludicrous conviction over an incredibly trivial matter, parading and shaming an American president in that way I thought was ridiculous. But, you know, I would also say I feel uncomfortable, like a lot of people, about what appears to be a bit of a revenge act now going on against all of the Trump opponents, led by people like Comey. Do you feel comfortable about this?

29:02Mike Johnson:Well, I would push back on the premise. I don't agree that this is a revenge tour. I mean, look, I have a lot of opinions on this because I rotated off of the House Judiciary Committee. When I became Speaker, I gave up my committee assignments. And I spent almost seven years on that committee. And we are the ones charged with the jurisdictional authority of oversight over the DOJ. And I watched what the way Comey led and how he, in my view, misled in many ways. But we talk a lot about here about the rule of law. It is a matter of law and order. it is a matter of the rule of law that you have someone like Comey who raised his hand, and I think clearly, I think it's beyond refute that he lied to Congress under oath.

29:42Mike Johnson:Perjury is a very big thing, and it's an even bigger thing when you're a top government official and a former director of the FBI or one of these big agencies. I mean, that's a big thing. We can't let it go unanswered. And so there's a certain responsibility that has had to prosecute that and make an example of people, not because they were on the wrong side of President Trump at some point, but because they lied to Congress. We can't allow that to go forward. So I think it's appropriate here. And I think, you know, remember, it's not a Republican party, a group of party officials who brought the indictment.

30:12Mike Johnson:It's a grand jury. I mean, you know, that's our system. They constituted a grand jury. They found reasonable, you know, they felt it was right to bring the indictment. And they made that decision. And so we'll have to see how it plays out now.

30:24Piers Morgan:Why have all the Epstein files not been released? And do you think they should be?

30:28Mike Johnson:Well, they're in the process of being released. And this is a very important point. The House Oversight Committee is on this like white on rice, as we sit down in Louisiana. OK, you've got some of the biggest bulldogs in Congress, Republican and Democrat side, united in this quest to have maximum transparency. They're going through it methodically. They're issuing subpoenas. They're being complied with by the Department of Justice. And anyone has these files. Look, I know there's a team deployed. There was a team in New York City over the last two weeks coming through the Epstein estate files and going through to find things that had not even been anticipated before.

31:01Mike Johnson:You have 34 ,000 pages that have already been released. There's more on the way. You've got pending subpoenas out to a number of, you know, well-known figures and public officials, et cetera. I mean, they're digging in and moving it as aggressively as possible. So we're for maximum transparency. The one caveat is we have a responsibility and a duty to protect the innocent victims. By some estimates, there may be a thousand young women who were subjected to these horrific, unspeakable crimes, okay, at the hands of Epstein and his accomplices. And we want to make sure that their identities are protected.

31:33Mike Johnson:So they've got to be properly redacted in those files to make sure they don't suffer more harm. And I think that's something everybody agrees with, and we're trying to make sure it's done the right way.

31:41Piers Morgan:No man has been actually convicted and put in prison for any offense connected to the Epstein thing, despite, as you say, maybe a thousand female victims here.

31:54Mike Johnson:Are you confident? Yeah. Well, it's an important point to make. We're in this investigation in the House Oversight Committee. Not only are they trying to bring justice for the victims, they're also trying to determine how justice has been denied for so long and who is responsible for that. And that's a critical component of all this.

32:11Piers Morgan:JUST ONE FINAL POINT ON THAT, GILAIN MAXWELL'S ATTEMPT AT AN APPEAL HAS FAILED. DONALD TRUMP WAS ASKED IF YOU MIGHT PARDON HER. AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY CONTENTIOUS ISSUE. HE KIND OF BATTERED IT AWAY AND SAID WE 'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WHICH SEEMS TO SUGGEST THE DOOR MAY BE OPEN. WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE GILAIN MAXWELL PARDONED OR WOULD YOU WANT THE OPPOSITE?

32:33Mike Johnson:I WOULD NEVER EVEN CONSIDER IT. I MEAN, SHE'S A CONVICTED HUMAN TRAFFICKER. SHE WAS A PARTY TO THIS. She set it up. By her own admission, she was involved in all this. There's no way she should ever leave prison.

32:45Piers Morgan:Let's move on to the government shutdown, because we did a bit of research. You'd expect nothing else, Speaker Johnson, I'm sure. Since 1976, the Republicans have triggered a shutdown seven major times. The Democrats, three or four, depending on how you categorize a full major shutdown. So you've basically been doing this twice as often as they have. Does that give you the high moral ground now to throw opprobrium over them for this shutdown? It's Medicare annual enrolment and people aged 64 and above should prepare to be bombarded with hundreds of phone calls and texts from agents for simply pushing the Medicare plans which pay them the most.

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34:26Mike Johnson:Well, yes, because listen, you can't look at those statistics in a vacuum, okay? Every one of those circumstances is different. What's really critically important to point out right now is, unlike many of those skirmishes in the past, when a CR was loaded up with partisan priorities from one of the parties in one of the chambers that was in charge, right now you have unified Republican government. And we did not take this opportunity to do that. What do I mean? Pierce, we did not add a single Republican policy or priority or poison pill or gimmick or trick to this very clean, very simple CR. Why do we call it a clean CR?

35:02Mike Johnson:It literally is simply a continuation of exactly the current status quo and spending and policy, which, by the way, is Biden-era spending and policies. We're still operating, enduring that. We're in the appropriations process to try to change it, but we ran out of time because the end of the fiscal year is September 30th, so we just needed a simple seven-week stopgap funding measure. I could have loaded it up with a bunch of Republican stuff, but I didn't. And that's why the only choice the Democrats have right now in the Senate is to vote to open the government so that we can continue the partisan discussions.

35:37Mike Johnson:That's the difference between now and in the past. This is a totally clean, totally good faith effort. And no one can tell you otherwise about it.

35:44Piers Morgan:You're a man of faith and you've invoked your faith since the very start of this shutdown. Do you hope that your prayers get answered sooner rather than later?

35:55Mike Johnson:I do. I mean, I prayed about that this morning before I came into work and did my press conference. This does, in an exact same way, real harm on real American people, and they should not be pawns in a political game. It's disgusting to me. I mean, I kind of lost my temper at the press conference we did here about an hour ago because I'm so aggravated by this. I can't believe that they would pick a fight. I'm just going to say this very plainly, and I don't mean this. I'm trying to practice as much Christian charity as I can in this job here, so it ain't easy every day, okay? But it's very simple what's going on here.

36:25Mike Johnson:Chuck Schumer did a 180-degree turn on this. He gave impassioned speeches as recently as March of this year. Why the CR, the same CR, by the way, had to be continued and all that. Why did he change his mind? Because he's afraid he's going to get a challenge from his Marxist left in New York, because that's now in vogue in New York, apparently. They're going to put a Marxist in as the mayor of New York City. And he's terrified by that because he's yesterday's news. So he had to pick a fight against Trump and show a fight and show he's tough and show he's further left than everybody else. And that's what this is.

36:54Mike Johnson:I MEAN, PURE AND SIMPLE. THAT'S WHY HE CHANGED HIS TUNE. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO SEE IT. EVERYBODY ON THE HILL AND IS PAYING ATTENTION SEES IT CLEARLY AND HE NEEDS TO BE CALLED ON IT. WE NEED THIS TO COME TO AN END. YES, I'M PRAYING IT ENDED QUICKLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TROOPS AND YOUNG PREGNANT WOMEN AND VETERAN SERVICES AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL DAY LONG. PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE

37:12Piers Morgan:these games and i've had it talking of changing tunes you came out strongly on the issue of bad bunny performing at the super bowl had you ever actually heard of bad bunny before i didn't even

37:23Mike Johnson:know who the guy was okay in the hallway and they said who you think would be suitable i don't know lee greenwood man i'm on the other side uh i you know i don't know i i don't think it doesn't sound like a great choice to me look what i'm concerned about what i said is a lot of young kids people watch the Super Bowl, right? And you need to uplift positive things, American values, and not have this controversy. And it just seems unnecessary to me.

37:46Piers Morgan:You don't think that maybe you're a little bit older, Matisse, to be telling young people what they should be listening to on Super Bowl day?

37:52Mike Johnson:My kids would probably say so, yeah. I still like 80s music, okay? I mean, I confess. But, you know, you need somebody at the Super Bowl to have time, in my view, that can appeal to a broad audience of everybody and not leave out those of us who grew up in the Reagan era.

38:07Piers Morgan:You know what? I don't disagree. It's because it is a uniquely family event, the Super Bowl. It is. You know, when I've watched it in America with American families, everyone's there, their grandparents, the kids, everyone's there. You actually don't want people that are going to alienate half that room of your family before they even start performing. So we reach an appointment of agreement at the end there, Speaker Johnson. Always a good way to end an interview.

38:30Mike Johnson:Yes, and I would say you have the greatest accent in all of media. It's not fair because you sound intelligent. Whatever you say, Piers, it's really not fair to everybody else.

38:36Piers Morgan:You know, I once got given a brilliant quote about my accent. It was an NBC executive. He said, you know, Piers, to an American ear, the English accent always conveys an air of presumed higher intelligence. And then he paused and said, which may not actually exist. I'm with him. But I will take it. Speaker Joshua, thank you very much indeed.

39:00Mike Johnson:Thanks, my friend. Good to talk to you.

39:01Piers Morgan:Good to talk to you. All right, let's go back to our panel here. So, look, we've got some stats. It was quite interesting, actually, Jack, because you had a little bit of wriggle room there because the speaker wasn't quite as emphatic. No. But we've done some research while we were listening to that. The total net increase in law enforcement spending in the big, beautiful bill is an estimated$170 billion across the full life cycle of the bill. This does include large allocations for ICE and the border wall, but also$3 billion for the Bureau of Prisons and almost a billion for federal law enforcement training centres.

39:40Piers Morgan:The bill was applauded by, among others, the National Fraternal Order of Police. So that does seem to be pretty unequivocal. But at the same time, I must also point out that so far the DOJ this year has taken away about$500 million in grants. The DOJ has, and we've also seen about a billion dollars in grants that were to be distributed before Donald Trump's administration came in. the DOJ gutting those grant programs that support local police and violent crime reduction. So there's going to be another billion dollars next year. I think those numbers are important to point out. I don't know why the DOJ is reducing support for police.

40:19Cutting these grants doesn't really make a lot of sense for Donald Trump's argument. But I think that that needs to be put forth. I don't really want to go back over it. I was told by Michael that there was no cuts at all.

40:28Piers Morgan:I don't want to go back over it. There was not. As Piers just read and as the speaker just pointed out, the numbers went up, not down, like you wrongly claimed. Yeah, that does seem to be the indisputable takeaway. But let's move on. Michael, talk to you. Well, hang on one second, Congressman. Michael, just talking of the DOJ, interesting comment there, very emphatic statement from the speaker about Ghislaine Maxwell, which is, I think, notable and will make news because Donald Trump left that door open a bit, said, well, I don't really know much about this, which, of course, he obviously does.

40:59Piers Morgan:But I'm going to look into this and we'll take a look. He didn't rule it out as emphatically as Speaker Johnson just did. You know, a lot of pushback, I noticed, to Donald Trump, even potentially leaving a door open to a potential pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell. It appears the speaker certainly was absolutely unequivocal. No. What is your view? Well, the pardon power rests with the president, not with the Speaker of the House. So ultimately, it will be President Trump's decision to make. I agree with Speaker Johnson in as much as the political cost of pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell would be so high.

41:35It would pose an existential threat, I think, to the MAGA coalition. So most likely that will not happen. But the pardon power does exist for a reason. One, to correct cases of injustices that happen along the way in the system. But two, just as a prudential matter, sometimes, you know, if you can gain a little leverage, if you can advance the cause of justice or an investigation, you might be willing to do that sort of thing. That said, I don't think there's really a big disagreement between Trump and Johnson in that Trump could do it, but the cost is so high, I don't see him paying it. Right.

42:05Well, it doesn't matter what Johnson says, Trump will do what's good for Trump. And, you know, basically what I wanted to ask Speaker Johnson was, why is Congress only work 15 days in the last 45 days? Why isn't he convening Congress? You know, why is Congress on a paid vacation while federal employees are going without pay? Why isn't he swearing in the Arizona Congresswoman? that will be the 218th vote to release Epstein-5. There's a tough questions that Johnson need to be asked.

42:42Piers Morgan:Well, we run out of time, unfortunately. Next time, I'll get you to join in. Then we can avoid any eliminations. But let me ask you, Jack, about this. This was an interview with Katie Porter, who I know quite well, because I appeared on the Bill Maher show a while ago, and it didn't go well for her. But she's the lead candidate to be the next governor of California. I have a home in California, I have a vested interest in who wins this. And it was an extraordinary interview that she did. Let's watch a few of the highlights here. The question is, what do you say to the 40 % of voters who voted for Trump?

43:15Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do you need them to win part that I don't understand. I'm happy to answer the question as you have it written and I'll answer it. And we've also asked the other candidates, do you think you need any of those 40 % of California voters to win? And you're saying, no, you don't. No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote. I can. And what I'm saying to you is that... Well, to those voters, okay, so you... I don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it. Thank you. You're not going to do the interview with us? Nope, not like this. I'm not. Not with seven follow-ups to every single question you ask.

43:47Every other candidate has answered our follow-ups. I don't care. I don't care.

43:51Piers Morgan:Well, that was with a very good reporter called Julie Watts. I think it was a CBS affiliate. it. I mean, Michael, let me start with you on this. I mean, it was excruciating to watch, but no real surprise. You know, I saw the prickly side of Katie Porter on the Bill Marshall when she got challenged about her worldview. It was it was not a great sight. Let's take a little bit of that first and then I'll come to you. We talked about people, you know, becoming using things to kind of get likes and get clicks. That's not what she's doing. I mean, I've got no truck for Bradley Games personally, but all I've seen her do is stand up for women's rights to fairness and equality.

44:30Piers Morgan:She actually competed against Leah Thomas, and it was obviously unfair. Leah Thomas won one of the races in the NCAA Championships by 50 seconds against a bunch of biological females who simply couldn't keep up. That cannot be right. It cannot be fair. And the audience then burst into raucous applause, which she found completely astonishing, because it's a liberal crowd. What's going on here, Michael? Why would you, if you're doing a television interview, why would you behave in such a graceless, rude, arrogant manner, do you think? She's behaving in an entitled way because she has enjoyed entitlement along with the Democrats for most of her political career.

45:11And I'm sure that she sat down and thought, this is CBS News. This is a mainstream news network. It's going to be a bunch of softballs. I'm not going to have to answer anything. And she gets mild pushback. I have to give a little credit to CBS here. CBS of the major news networks generally does a much, much better job than the other ones do. But this is very mild pushback. And even that is so shocking to Katie Porter. If she had to endure one one thousandth the scrutiny that every Republican politician has to endure from the beginning of his career in the media, she wouldn't have made it past dog catcher of Palookaville.

45:47Piers Morgan:Yeah. But you're seeing a real sea change here. Yeah, Jack, I mean, you're shaking your head. But come on, man, that was embarrassing. OK, so I don't even want to talk about the Katie Porter of it all. The idea that Republicans face scrutiny from the media. Donald Trump is so dementia-addled right now. He did a text interview with Jake Tapper. Now, I'm not really a fan of Jake Tapper. I think that's a pretty sad move to do a text interview. But do you really think that Donald Trump is on the other side of that phone? No, it's Stephen Miller. It's Russ Vaught. He's putting together a Spotify playlist.

46:18Piers Morgan:I can tell you how I know, because I text with Trump regularly, and it isn't. I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do. No, no, just to be clear, Jack, it is him. It is him. And here's the... But the fact that Donald Trump has to do a text interview, we can't be serious right now. And he's the one attacking... Jack, hang on. Jack, calm down. Caitlin Collins from CNN, is in my old slot at CNN, actually, the 9pm hour, gave an interesting interview yesterday, and she was talking about the fact Trump never sleeps when you're on Air Force One. You can't really sleep, probably, because he's up all the time wanting to talk to journalists.

46:46Piers Morgan:He gives more airtime to Q &As with the press and the media than any president ever. That's just a fact. Now, you may think he's got dementia, but I would argue the one that looked like he had dementia was the predecessor in the White House who never did Q &As with the press, never did any hostile interviews with anybody because he didn't have the mental IQ to do it. Trump, what do you think of him? He's out there every day talking for an hour, two hours with the media. There's a big difference, though, between answering a question and responding to a question. And just because Donald Trump's words were said...

47:24What's the difference between the two?

47:24Piers Morgan:It's the same thing. Well, if you ask Donald... That's not even remotely true. If you ask Donald Trump whether or not he wants to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell and he says, well, I don't really know who that is and also have you seen my ballroom, that doesn't give you a real answer. He's responding. He can go on and talk about nonsense for an hour, but that doesn't do anything to give you a real answer, to let you know what this administration is doing. He makes more news. It's not about news. It's not about news. He's the president of the United States. He should answer questions. Jack, he makes more news on a daily basis by answering questions than any other world leader.

48:00I mean, he does. Responding to questions. If you asked me a question and I started ranting about a ballroom that I'm building, and that had nothing to do with the question that you asked me, I think you as a journalist would feel pretty unfulfilled.

48:13Piers Morgan:Well, ironically... That's exactly what you do. I just asked you about Katie Porter. You said, I don't want to talk about Katie Porter. Let's talk about the Republicans. No, because I had to respond to what Michael said. You are a glistening example of exactly what you're talking about. And do you want me to be president of the United States? Not really, no. No, I didn't think... I don't think anyone came away from that interview saying maybe we should do more of these. Let me bring three back in here. The art of the political interview, it's not that difficult, really. But when you behave like a complete arse, as Katie Porter did there, you're going to get the kind of mockery it deserves.

48:45Piers Morgan:That interview went 100 ,000 times bigger on the airwaves of the internet and social media because of the way she behaved. And it ever would have done if she'd just answered the questions.

49:00But Donald Trump lies. Most of his answers are lies and not truth.

49:04Piers Morgan:Why are you talking about Donald Trump? Well, we're talking about politicians answering questions. You've just pulled a jack. I've asked you one question. and you're talking about somebody completely different. That's what I mean. You're talking about Donald Trump answering questions, but he does. I'm talking about Katie Porter. But it appears, are you going to hold us more accountable for wanting to discuss multiple topics than you are the President of the United States? No, he's not on the panel, Jack. Where is the transparency? I'm glad that you asked, you're new to the panel. Jack, you're new to Uncensored.

49:34Piers Morgan:Here's how this works. I get a bunch of people in, right? Unusually, I get people who don't agree with each other and we have a civilized or sometimes an uncivilized debate. But what we do is we discuss topics. I throw it to each of you and you give an answer to the topic. What you guys have been doing on the left side of this debate is you've been making a point like the trouble with the Republicans is you ask them one thing like Trump and they answer another. And then you both do exactly the same thing. Look, look, Katie Porter should have finished her interview. There you go. And then Donald Trump, to be more honest, Those two things can be completely true at the same time.

50:14Piers Morgan:But you should just, in terms of an interview with a politician, you just failed as well, because all you had to say was that, right? How hard is it to just give a straight answer to a straight question? When I do interviews where I'm the subject, people ask me questions, I just answer them. I don't care. Ask me whatever you want. I couldn't give a monkey's cuss. And I was happy to get to the end of that point if Michael hadn't so rudely interrupted me. I don't know what that's been about. We had a chance to answer it straight away. That was the point. No, I was saying, I didn't think it was a great interview.

50:43It certainly wasn't a great interview. I don't think that I'm breaking any news by saying that.

50:47Piers Morgan:Honestly, it was a masterclass in how not to conduct a political interview. But if I'm a Californian resident, and in fact, I am a Californian resident for a lot of the year. I've got a home there. I'd watch that and think, why would you vote for somebody so entitled, so arrogant, so, like, determined to belittle that journalist? You were just doing a job. I mean, it was really actually ugly to watch. Yeah, I didn't think it was a great answer. I didn't think that that's a great response. I will say that the beginning of the question was asking, do you think that you need to win the 40 % of Trump voters to win or convince some of them to win the governor's race?

51:25And Katie Porter's response was, no, that's not how math works. And I think she gave a fine answer at first when she was continued to be asked. She should have just said, no, I want to convince those voters. She didn't. I thought the question didn't really make a lot of sense, at least mathematically, but no, there was no reason for her to blow up. I thought it made a lot of sense.

51:43Piers Morgan:She was just making the point. Look, you've got 40 % of the electorate there. Yeah, and you should want to convince them. If you just write them off, that's not good politics, and it's a completely valid point to make. Michael, I want to play a clip from our old friend AOC, who's got to trouble for what she said about Stephen Miller. They are scrapping and grasping at straws because they have nothing else. Laugh at them. Stephen Miller is a clown. I've never seen that guy in real life, but he looks like he's like 4 '10". And he looks like he is angry about the fact that he's 4 '10". And he looks like he is so mad that he is 4 '10", that he's taken that anger out at any other population possible.

52:33Piers Morgan:Well, there was a lot of pushback on this, and then she issued this apology.

53:035 '3", like 5 '3", 5 '4". Whereas...

53:08Piers Morgan:So, Michael, being obviously very heightist, a big no-no with the woke community, and she's obviously wrong about Stephen Miller. I stood next to him at a party and he's a lot taller than 4 '10". What did you make of this rather cringeworthy double video? Well, the apology was particularly bad because it was utter nonsense. I know. When I said he looked like he was 4 '10", I was talking about his heart. Yeah, OK. But then her first claim, she says, look, I've never met this guy, but I bet he's 4 '10". So I think AOC is consulting exactly the same sources that our friend Jack over here is, namely her imagination.

53:47And as you point out, Fears, Stephen Miller is obviously much taller than that. But this psychobabble typifies all of the left wing arguments. It's obviously fact free. But notice she doesn't take on Stephen Miller's argument about immigration. She doesn't take on his argument about law enforcement. She doesn't deal, she just tries to impute to him some kind of nefarious psychological motives. It's the same way when the left talks to us about abortion. They never deal with the actual bioethical issues. They just say we hate women or something like that. When we talk about law enforcement, say, they say we're racist.

54:19I don't know. And so it's all this psychobabble nonsense to avoid the real issues because the real issues favor Stephen Miller and the Republicans and not her.

54:26Piers Morgan:Well, Jack, you said about this, Donald Trump, and all about this, but he said separately, Donald Trump doesn't want to negotiate and enter the shutdown because he's too dementia-addled to understand it. Stephen Miller is running the White House, and it's time to start calling it out. I do think Stephen Miller... Your concern is that he's actually running the White House. No, I do think that Stephen Miller is in charge of most things. I think Russ Vaught is in charge of most things happening at the White House right now. Again, Donald Trump very focused on his ballroom. But, Michael, a little snowflake-y of you.

54:57What day are we on of this AOC story, this non-story. I thought that the right liked comedy. I thought that we could make jokes again. Everyone's in their feelings. We saw Stephen Miller on Fox. He's like rubbing his eye. Verge of tears. He said that I was short and I'm bald too. Stephen Miller. Is that what happened? That's not what I saw happen at all. Does he have more important things to concern himself with? His buddy Jesse Waters seems to think that he's a pretty swell guy. I don't know why he needs to listen to what AOC has to say and respond to it. That is all that Fox was talking about.

55:23But yeah, Pierce, I do think that Stephen Miller is running things in the White House right now. I don't really think that Donald Trump is all too concerned with anything. Project 2025 was laid out for him because Trump has no interest in negotiating or governing or doing anything that isn't putting billions of dollars in his pocket through a crypto scam. That is what Trump is ultimately interested in. So he'll have his goons take care of the rest and he'll do his Spotify playlist and I guess make the Rose Garden look uglier.

55:51Piers Morgan:In between, he's just trying to forge peace in the Middle East. It's a busy old time for him. Michael, what I want to end on a story that I think enraged you as much as it enraged me. Amazon airbrushing James Bond's gun out of thumbnails for the movies on Prime. Let's take a look at this. I mean, they've just taken the guns off. And I've got to be honest, they've left Bond in these pictures looking just a little bit effeminate. So it's like a double whammy, isn't it? What's going on here? Is he is he tickling himself now? Is Sean Connery giving himself a little pinch on the what? So they have to take away the gun because that's that's politically incorrect.

56:32They probably have to take away the womanizing. Right. There's no way that that's coach these days. I THINK THEY HAVE TO TAKE AWAY, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE VIOLENT, SO THE KARATE CHOPPING AND ALL THAT, YOU HAVE TO TAKE AWAY THE BOOZE. IF YOU WERE SMOKING POT, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING. YOU HAVE TO TAKE AWAY THE BOOZE. I THINK BASICALLY YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE AWAY JAMES BOND. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEW SANITIZED VERSION. NOTHING WORKS ANYMORE.

56:56Piers Morgan:I THINK THE ONLY ANSWER, CONGRESSMAN, IS TO BRING DON LEMON IN AS THE NEW BOND. I'M GETTING ALL ENTERTAINED. THIS IS ALL VERY ENTERTAINING. But look, I'm concerned about the 4 million people who are losing health care. I'm looking at, you know, millions of people not able to cover, get their insulin, get treatment for their children. You know, right now we need to get this government going. We need to the two parties need to come together, negotiate, take care of the American people. I know this is all. Congressman, would you agree to a clean CR as because the Democrats obviously shut it down?

57:30They wanted to change the fund. But would you agree to a clean CR to just keep the government going? What is with this victim complex? Not continuation of the same old. Not continuation of the same old. So you don't want to get those people insulin and all the health care you talked to? Just a clean CR. Just keep it going just like it was. It was working okay. You wouldn't agree to that. You're going to keep the government shut down. Okay. We got to address that. We got to health care is a big, huge issue. People's premiums are going to double. Their copays are going to double, triple in some cases.

58:01In fact, the top 10 red states will have premiums tripling and quadrupling. Yes. Obamacare was dreadful for healthcare premiums. I agree.

58:10Piers Morgan:I don't disagree. This is all important. But I do think we should focus right now on James Bond and his gun. Jack, should Amazon be neutralizing Bond like this? What kind of message does that send the world? I didn't even see this as a story. Should they be taken away his gun? I don't know. If the original poster works, maybe keep it. If this new one doesn't, maybe don't. I don't know. Piers, I'm sure on your show, you all beta test your thumbnails and are doing the A-B and seeing which one is better. We'll be doing some great ones with you. Don't worry. Oh, thank you very much, Piers. I appreciate it.

58:44Make sure my hair doesn't look too bad. Well, you'll be pleased to know.

58:47Piers Morgan:Actually, Michael will be most pleased to know they have, after a backlash, Amazon have restored the guns. That is good because when they took the gun away, that was the beta test. I don't know what they've done. They've done something, but they haven't restored the guns. I don't know quite what they've done. It doesn't make any sense there. They'll figure it out. They've done something, anyway. We'll see if we can get the guns back. I mean, because James Bond without a gun, kind of pointless. Kind of... What's the point, really? I've got to leave you there. Panel, great debate. Thank you very much.

59:16Piers Morgan:Eric Trump is the executive vice president of the Trump organisation, a multi-billion-dollar enterprise which manages the president's sprawling business empire. That responsibility placed Eric Trump squarely in the sights of those who sought to block the president's comeback using the courts and the law. Eric is officially the most subpoenaed man in American history. And his new book, Under Siege, tells the inside story of how a political campaign took its toll on a family who bear the most famous name in the world. And he joins me now. Eric, welcome back to Uncensored. When you're 7-Eleven's hottest fire chicken sandwich, people think you're intense.

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1:00:17Piers Morgan:You know, it's an extraordinary book about an extraordinary period in modern times, really, which was the kind of war against your dad, against you and your family. seemingly a war designed with one motivation, which was to prevent him ever getting back to the White House. And, of course, we know how it ended. When you finished the book, what was your kind of overview about what you'd all been through?

1:00:45Eric Trump:Well, I think, Pierce, the irony is your book would not have been able to be written, right? Woke is Dead, had it not been for ours, right? Had it not been through the battle that we were... I call it under siege for a very simple reason. They tried to impeach my father multiple times, right? They raided Mar-a-Lago. They wrote the dirty steel dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton. They made up the Russia lies. They deplatformed us off of Twitter and Instagram and Facebook, right? They took my father off the ballot in Maine and Colorado. They went after a Supreme Court justices. I became the most subpoenaed man ever.

1:01:14Eric Trump:They raided Melania's closet and Barron's room. I mean, they weaponized every attorney general in the United States, every district attorney in far blue areas of the United States to go after my father. 91 indictments. We've gotten every single one of them overturned. They debanked us. They deplatformed us. They wanted to see us in jail. They wanted to see us arrested. They wanted to see my father behind bars. They wanted me to be right next to him. They wanted to see our family bankrupt. They wanted to see the MAGA movement dead. And then if that wasn't enough, and I spent a lot of time talking about that under siege, then they tried to kill my father and Butler, not the first time when they took off part of his ear.

1:01:51Eric Trump:But then they tried to kill him at his golf course in Palm Beach. and then, you know, a couple weeks, literally this book, Piers, came out three days before Charlie Kirk's assassination. They've done everything they could to take us out and we prevailed in the long run. They put every arrow in our back that they possibly could, but we won and this is the inside account to that war and that story and my fight and behind the scenes within our family, you know, of kind of those trials and tribulations.

1:02:18Piers Morgan:You knew Charlie Kirk very well. I interviewed Charlie a few times. There was a hideous irony that there was somebody who purposefully went into the lion's den, if you like, of people who instinctively didn't like him, didn't agree with him, and invited open dialogue, invited respectful debate. And I've seen so many clips of him since, many of which are taken out of context. But where his general demeanour around people that really hated him was to say, come on, let's have a proper debate here. You're entitled to your view. I'm entitled to mine. Prove me wrong was his mantra, which should have been the kind of bedrock of any civilized democratic society.

1:03:03Piers Morgan:And yet for doing that, he gets a bullet in the neck and is assassinated. What does that say about where we've got to in public discourse?

1:03:12Eric Trump:Well, I think that's right. I mean, the First Amendment, which is freedom of speech, freedom of religion, is a bedrock principle of the United States of America. By the way, I see a lot of the UK not doing well with that principle right now. And I know it bothers you and it bothers a lot of people. It bothers a lot of people over here. But that's right. I mean, you had a guy called Charlie Kirk a fascist. That guy proceeded to dress up in all black and go 200 yards away on a rooftop with a sniper rifle and shoot Charlie Kirk in the neck. Yet they call us fascist, right? They call my father anti-Semitic.

1:03:43Eric Trump:And yet, you know, my sisters, you know, orthodoxes, I think you probably know very well because, you know, Ivanka and, you know, Jared, they called my father a sexist. Yet, isn't it ironic how his first campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, who you know very well, was was a woman and his, you know, second winning campaign manager, Susie Wiles, who you know very well, is also female. So it's kind of, you know, I mean, they've used identity politics every single day. And in your book, Woke is Dead, is actually like, you know, it's exactly this. We've killed, they can't use it against us anymore because no one in America actually believes them.

1:04:15Eric Trump:But it is the great irony. I mean, Charlie was out there talking to college campuses, young kids who were engaged in a political process, who were having fun, the best of the next generation. And yet you have people with sniper rifles standing on rooftops literally shooting over their heads. And yet, you know, that's how they label us. And, you know, the leftists in this country, they're dangerous. They've turned violent. They've lost the narrative. They have lost the verbal war, and that's why they've tried to kill my father multiple times. That's why they would love to see me off of the stage, because our voice has been something that they can't repute, that they can't fight against.

1:04:50Eric Trump:They've literally, you know, hence the reason that obviously Kamala lost the popular vote, and hence the reason that Kamala lost every swing state. Every state in this country tacked to the right, Pierce, right? I mean, you know, every single state in the country went my father's direction. We won places like Miami-Dade, which were typically liberal in this country, by 11%. It's the first time Miami-Dade's been won in 37 years in this nation. We won counties in California that could have never even been conceived of being won by a conservative before. You know, this nation has changed in a very, very big way over the last, you know, nine-month period of time.

1:05:24Eric Trump:And our nation's better for it.

1:05:26Piers Morgan:Yeah, no question. I mean, you very kindly mentioned my book of contents. I've actually got a hot off-the-press copy of Woke is Dead. And, you know, it starts actually with several...

1:05:35Eric Trump:We'll put them next to each other, Piers.

1:05:36Piers Morgan:Let's do a joint plug here, Eric. Here we go. But it's interesting because I do actually start with a conversation I have with your dad after he wins. And I rang him the following morning and we had a brief but really quite profound conversation because it wasn't a remarkable turnaround of his life, you know, in every sense, professional, personal, everything. and I sort of make the argument of the book that I go over all the most ridiculous woke excesses and about the suppression of free speech, particularly on college campuses and so on and I kind of conclude that part of the reason that I believe woke is dead is a mindset, that wokeism is dead, that your father's victory in a way put the stamp on that because he was able to stand there and say, just to be clear, you know, biological men will not compete in women's sport.

1:06:31Piers Morgan:OK? And the Democrats were not able to say that. And so, yes, the economy was a huge part of his victory. Yes, immigration was a huge part, the surrender of the southern border under Biden and so on. But I do believe what they try to frame as culture wars and what the Democrats still like to pretend wasn't that important in the election. But I think a lot of average Americans, when, you know, whatever you think of Donald Trump. You know, maybe they didn't even like him, some of them, right? But they just thought, actually, he just speaks of common sense, right? This guy just knows what a woman is.

1:07:04Piers Morgan:He doesn't want to have America engaged in endless foreign wars. He wants us to pay less tax. He wants to have a strong southern border. He wants to be tough on crime and so on. And you sort of go through a checklist. There was an interesting thing in The Economist magazine a couple of weeks ago, and it just said that in Britain, and your dad's not that popular personally, but the Trumpism, in other words, what he stands for, is increasingly popular, which I thought was really interesting, that you don't have to like him to understand that, obviously, I like him and you like him, but you don't have to like him to appreciate that his core principles, his core policies, are increasingly popular.

1:07:44Eric Trump:Yeah, that's right. And frankly, you want a very tough person, you know, being the commander-in-chief of the free world, right? I mean, I love my grandmother to death, and she'd probably make a terrible president in the United States, right? You want somebody that's tough and you want somebody with no BS. And that's exactly who he is. Listen, you've been friends with the family for a very long time. You and I go back 20 years on The Apprentice and lots of other places. But you're right. I think you said that so beautifully. I actually think the culture wars were maybe even a bigger part of the victory.

1:08:08Eric Trump:Listen, Paris, you know I'm a tall guy, right? I'm 6 '5", weight 215. You know, me swimming in collegiate female sports, like that's not fair, right? It's ridiculous. And no one, and no one. And I'd be on the campaign everywhere. I'd be in Pennsylvania, where in America you've got a lot of steel country, coal country. You'd have these union workers that come up to me. If my grandfather knew I was voting for a Republican, they would shake their head. And I'd go, let me ask you a question. Would your grandfather, who worked literally the coal mines, would they be OK with me swimming against females in college?

1:08:36Eric Trump:No, they would come in and they would shoot you. I mean, they would literally kill you if you swam against their daughters. And that's the exact point. The radical left has tacked so far left, right? While my father, what does he want? He wants the greatest economy. He wants freedom of religion. freedom of speech. He wants the lowest taxes. He wants to keep government out of people's ways. He wants zero wars. My father is fundamentally against wars. He wants to have the greatest army. So if we ever have to hit an adversary, you knock their damn heads off. But he doesn't want to go to war. I mean, I've seen him personally, Pierce, stop five or six wars that would have been raging around the world.

1:09:08Eric Trump:And obviously you see what he's trying to do with, you know, with what's happening in Israel and Palestine right now. You know, my father just wants common sense. He wants a strong America. He wants a nonviolent world, and he wants the best for our country. And I'm incredibly proud of him.

1:09:23Piers Morgan:What's it like being Donald Trump's son, Eric, honestly? Yeah.

1:09:28Eric Trump:He's a great man. He's my best friend in the world. I love him. And I stood on that stage ever since we went down that escalator. I stood on that stage every single day, and I fought by his side. And because of that, I took arrows that you couldn't possibly imagine. Piers, I think you know me well enough. I'm no BS, honest person. no drugs, no laptops from hell, no prostitution, no, you know, no finger painting like Hunter Biden. You know, I mean, honest, wake up early, run a great company. You know, I've done so many great things in the UK, as you know, with our assets in Aberdeen and Turnberry, built some of the great assets anywhere around the world, have done so with respect and dignity.

1:10:03Eric Trump:And they came after us like I was a dog. And I remember in the book, I talk a little bit about this. We come out of a courtroom and my father goes, I don't know how, he just got indicted 34 times. It's since been totally overturned. He goes, I don't know how, but we're going to win this, honey. We're going to win this whole thing. He meant the court case. He meant the entire presidency. And I looked at him. I go, you know, Pops, you know, it's either the White House or jail. Like, that's how far we've come as a country. It's either the White House or jail. They wanted to see us gone. They wanted to see us bankrupt.

1:10:33Eric Trump:They wanted to see the Trump name off of every property in New York and around the world. They wanted us silenced. That's why they They gag ordered all of us so many times, the court system. And yet, you know, people in this country, they didn't buy it. There's only so many times you can cry wolf, you know, in life. You see that a lot in the UK. There's only so many times you can cry wolf before people stand up and say, enough of this nonsense, enough of this garbage. You know, and they voted so overwhelmingly for my father. So, you know, under siege is the siege. But, you know, the amazing part of the story is having the greatest siege of all time and persevering through it and winning and being able to fundamentally change who we are as a nation, what we stand for and kind of return the values of God and society and red, white and blue back to the United States of America.

1:11:17Piers Morgan:What do you feel right now is his number one priority? Yeah.

1:11:24Eric Trump:Well, he's certainly spending a tremendous amount of time stopping the wars. I mean, I can't tell you how much time he's spending trying to mediate cultures that have hated each other for a thousand years, trying to bring people together. My father hates wars. He sees these kids in Ukraine and Russia. They're in trenches. You can watch the videos on YouTube, as horrible as they are. They come across around a little corner in a trench. I have an eight-year-old son. I have a six-year-old daughter. The amount of time that goes into raising those kids and bathing them and teaching them and disciplining them and bringing them to school, You see this kid come around a corner in a trench and, you know, his life is expunged in about, you know, an eighth of a second.

1:12:02Eric Trump:I mean, so so needlessly. You're seeing that obviously all over the Middle East. You're seeing that all over the world. And he's spending a lot of time expunging wars. And then the other thing is standing up for America. He does not want America to get ripped off. He doesn't want to be paying for the wars of all other nations. He doesn't want to be the protectors of all other nations. You know, he wants to have, you know, fair trade. And we've never had fair trade in this country. I mean, everybody's used America as the piggy bank, as you know better than anybody. So he wants to have the greatest economy in the world, and he wants to remain the number one superpower, and he wants the Western world, and clearly, Pierce, I include you in this, right, in the UK, our greatest ally by far, he wants to have the Western world be the strongest it's ever been before, and he's working very hard on all that.

1:12:45Piers Morgan:On the critical side, you know, his opponents say ever since he won back power, having indicated there'd be no revenge attacks, He's been on a relentless campaign of revenge against his political enemies, James Comey to others. And when he stood up at Charlie Kirk's memorial, after that incredibly moving speech, of course, by Charlie Kirk's widow, you know, he was very honest. He said, look, I don't think I could be like that with my enemies, I hate them. And people say, if he's President of the United States, he should be more unified in the way he speaks about people. He shouldn't say he hates his opponents.

1:13:26Piers Morgan:He should try and bring people together. He shouldn't be waging revenge against people like Comey and others. He should move above that. What do you say to that?

1:13:36Eric Trump:They raided our home. They tried to destroy him. They appear as, you know, just honestly, anybody just send that book to those people who make that argument. You can't. They took my father off the ballot in Colorado and in Maine. They tried to subvert democracy. I was the one, Piers, that got the call from the FBI and the New York Times and the Washington Post. Eric, I hear you have a secret server in the basement of Trump Tower in New York City communicating directly with the Kremlin in Russia. We didn't know anybody in Russia. It was all made up lies. They made up a dossier that had my father apparently doing the most unthinkable, nasty, grotesque, crude things that you could imagine, paid for by Hillary Clinton and perpetrated by the FBI and the DOJ in this country.

1:14:21Eric Trump:They tried to destroy him. They tried to imprison him. They tried to bankrupt him. They rigged more things than you can possibly imagine. And so when James Covey very apparently goes and lies to Ted Cruz in a congressional hearing, an FBI director, who, by the way, was leaking memos to The New York Times. I mean, I want our FBI directors in this in this country to make sure planes aren't crashing into buildings to make sure that, you know, the Western way of life is preserved and safe. right? And he's leaking memos to the New York Times. Then he apparently lies about it. It's very apparent to me that he lied about it.

1:14:56Eric Trump:You know, and all of a sudden you're weaponizing justice, you know, after they sent 30 FBI agents to raid his wife's closet. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it from these people. They are the most dishonest group of people that you've ever met in your entire life, who also, by the way, wanted him dead. And so, you know, I find that, you know, highly, highly ironic. Now, as to the, you know, I couldn't, you know, when you mentioned the Charlie Kirk incident, you know, his wife said, listen, I forgive the guy who just shot my, you know, my husband in his neck. Everybody in the world saw blood spewing out of the front of his body.

1:15:30Eric Trump:I don't know. I'm probably with my father. I'm not sure if that happened to one of my kids or if that happened to Laura or if that happened to a family member. I'm not sure if I could forgive that person either. Maybe that's just a genetic trait, but I think a lot of people would have trouble forgiving a madman who literally, you know, sniped somebody from a rooftop with a high-power hunting rifle.

1:15:48Piers Morgan:We saw Elon Musk and your father briefly having a sort of rapprochement after their big falling out. I mean, has there been any development on that? Do you think they'll be back working together, or was that just to kind of, after the war, a little peace offering and they move on?

1:16:06Eric Trump:Well, I was right there. I was in that same picture that you probably saw. But it was fun to see them back together. Listen, Elon represents the best of what we do as Americans, better than anybody in the world, which is entrepreneurialism. And, you know, the fact that he's catching these rockets using, you know, these chopsticks. And, I mean, he's incredible at everything he does. We need 200 Elon Musk. I'm the biggest proponent of his and everything that he stands for. And, you know, there's no one who's more into the Doge initiative than Eric Trump, right, is how I run our company and is how, you know, any capitalist, you know, thinks.

1:16:35Eric Trump:But, no, I think fundamentally they love and appreciate each other. And, you know, listen, they're two very big personalities. And you know how that is. I mean, you've been on the receiving end of that a couple of times a year. I could probably count more. I could probably count with you and my father. I could probably count more than a couple of times. But, you know, at the same time, you guys still love each other, right? Do you know what?

1:16:56Piers Morgan:It's really interesting. I was talking to somebody the other day, actually, about the Elon Musk thing. And I said, you know, I've had spectacular fallings out with your dad. and normally because I've said you know I've criticized him or something and he doesn't like being criticized but he doesn't hold the grudge for very long you know he does with some people but actually most of the time I've noticed if you just you know there'll be a moment when if you go back a long way with him he's not a long grudge guy no I think I think that's right yeah he'll

1:17:23Eric Trump:he'll see you uh he'll see you a month later and give you a big hug and and by the way most of the he's actually the first person to crack a joke about the very grudge that you had, you know, three weeks earlier. So now, listen, you know, this place, this country needs Elon Musk. This world needs Elon Musk. The Western civilization certainly needs him. You know, they also need a Donald Trump. And I think those guys are a formidable team. And I think they have massive admiration and respect for one another.

1:17:47Piers Morgan:Is the constant hint he puts out that he might run again in 2028, is that just a massive wind up of the libs? Or is it something you think he might have a little dart at?

1:17:59Eric Trump:So I started that, Piers. Somebody very close to me came. They go, you got to wear the Trump 2028 hat. Just see the entire mainstream media in the country melt down. And I did that. So I just took a picture. I put it on my head in my office. And it broke the Internet. Elon was retweeting. Everybody was retweeting it. We sold like 50 ,000 hats in a period of a couple hours. People absolutely loved it. But the media started writing in, does this mean your father doesn't believe in the United States Constitution? Is he going to subvert the will of of the founding fathers and i'm literally just snapshotting these emails and i'm posting them on instagram i just thought it was funny that you could trigger a media so easily in this country right i mean they know they knew it was a complete joke but no does my plan my father plan to run again in 2028 uh no that's certainly not the intention and he's even said that appears a million times but again it is funny when you can trigger them that way because they're just so they're so on edge right and so sometimes you need to just you You need to poke them a little bit.

1:18:55Eric Trump:They deserve it. And that's exactly what I was doing when I came up with that Trump 2028 hat.

1:19:00Piers Morgan:I mean, your father's so all consumed the Republican Party. It does beg the question, who carries that sword going forward after him? A lot of names being put out there. Obviously, J.D. Vance is a clear favourite. He's the vice president. He's very close with your father. They work very well together. But I look at somebody like you, right, who's running the Trump organisation. Whenever I interview you, I look at you and think, well, I could easily see you entering the political arena. But when you read your book, you know, it's really a kind of lengthy explanation for why it would probably be the last thing in the world you'd want to put yourself through.

1:19:37Piers Morgan:Or is it a motivation to perhaps one day think, well, why not?

1:19:41Eric Trump:It's probably more of a motivation to do it, right? It shows that evil can triumph over, you know, or good can triumph over evil. I mean, I think that's the greatest takeaway. way and against unrelenting odds, you can win. I mean, we beat the deep state in this country, right? We beat wokeness in this country. We beat a media, mainstream media in this country. We made them irrelevant. The media in the United States today is irrelevant. No one trusts them. No one likes them. Independent voices are what's winning the day. You've got a great independence voice, you know, Pierce. I know you're on, you know, mainstream, but you've got a great independent and those independent voices are winning the day.

1:20:18Eric Trump:There is a lot of people I can tell you, right in the UK who probably don't like the book that you just wrote because they perfectly align with it. But guess what? You've developed an unbelievable voice. I've developed an unbelievable voice. My father has. Don has so many people. Charlie Kirk had that independent voice. I mean, go down, look at Joe Rogan, look at Joe Rogan or Patrick Bette David or any of these people. You know, every single one of them, as do I. They have made NBC News. They have made ABC News ARE RELEVANT. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN UNDER SEGE TALKING ABOUT THIS. MY WIFE LAURA HAS THE TOP SHOW ON FOX NEWS ON THE WEEKEND, RIGHT?

1:20:52Eric Trump:IT'S 9 O 'CLOCK ON SATURDAY. SHE'S GOT BETTER RATINGS THAN ALL THE NETWORK SHOWS. EVERY ONE OF THE NETWORK SHOWS IN PRIMETIME DURING THE WEEK. AND THIS IS CABLE NEWS. PEOPLE WANT INDEPENDENT VOICE. PEOPLE WANT THE PODCAST. AND IT'S MAKING THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE LITERALLY THE POLITICAL OPERATIVES, WHO ARE THE PR ARM OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, IT'S MAKING them irrelevant and they can't stand it.

1:21:15Piers Morgan:What are the chances of the Trump air politically being a Trump?

1:21:21Eric Trump:Don't give me nightmares. Piers, please don't give me nightmares right now. Listen, I think we've all developed an amazing voice. I never thought I was going to stand on political stage. I'm a builder. You've seen the projects that I've built. You've walked through Turnberry. You've walked through so many of our properties. You know what I do every day. At the same time, listen, we've been incredibly fortunate, done very, very well. And at some YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THE THINGS YOU BELIEVE IN. MY FATHER DIDN'T NEED THIS JOB. MY FATHER, HEY, HE COULD HAVE DONE ANOTHER FIVE SEASONS OF THE APPRENTICE.

1:21:48Eric Trump:YOU COULD HAVE BEEN THERE BY HIS SIDE. I COULD HAVE BEEN THERE BY HIS SIDE. WE COULD HAVE HAD A LOT OF FUN DOING IT. HE COULD HAVE MADE A COUPLE BILLION DOLLARS DOING THAT. HE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO RUN AGAINST 16 CANDIDATES IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY ONLY TO THEN RUN AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON. HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN STUCK IN the courtroom every single day, right? He could have enjoyed Mar-a-Lago and Trump Force One and me and kids. He could have, right? He wouldn't have had to deal with any of that stress. And yet, why did he do it? Because he wanted to save, you know, the United States, a country that literally had, you know, a degenerate president, you know, in Joe Biden, a guy who was, somebody who was using his auto pen to, you know, to make every decision in the United States government.

1:22:25Eric Trump:He couldn't stand to see our country and our constitution, our family values and and religion and everything else, and wokeness, absolutely go to hell. And so I think for all of us, if it ever got to that same spot again, he's created great fighters in the Republican Party, and J.D. is one of them. But if it ever got to that spot again, you know, there is a chance that one of us would throw our hat in the race and give them hell.

1:22:47Piers Morgan:It sounds like, to me, Eric Trump, you're not entirely ruling out that person might be you.

1:22:54Eric Trump:Again, don't give me nightmares, Fierce. I've gone through absolute hell over the last 12 years. But, no, listen, I'm proud of what he's done. I'm proud of the voice we have all developed. You know, it's given us an armor that I never thought I'd have in life to this extent, right, of just being able to tolerate absolute BS and nonsense. It created fighters out of all of us. And be careful what you ask for in life. He's created, I mean, my father has gotten rid of more rhinos, you know, Republicans in name only, as we call them in the U.S., than anybody before. And all of a sudden, you've got a party that's strong.

1:23:26Eric Trump:You've got a party, a movement that I think is going to be next to impossible to turn around the other way. And he's really rewritten modern politics and certainly, you know, the vision for the United States of America.

1:23:41Piers Morgan:Kamala Harris says he hasn't got a mandate to be president, Eric.

1:23:44Eric Trump:Well, it's kind of funny because, you know, we won the popular vote. We beat her in every swing state. You know, we beat her in every state in the country, went to the right, meaning, you know, toward us. Plus, in California, I mean, you know, I call her book, what was her book called, 107 Days? I think it's 107 Days of Sobriety, right? I mean, most of her campaign speeches, she couldn't get out basic words. I mean, you know, it was unbelievable. When she was giving her economic policy speeches and she's talking about, you know, she's trying to say price, you know, gouging, and she's saying price gauging.

1:24:16Eric Trump:And you're sitting there saying, okay, this is a person who's going to run a$33 trillion economy. I don't think so. But no, it was one of the great political beatdowns in history. And after what they put us through, after the siege that I talk about in here, I couldn't be happier. And there was nothing that made me happier, Piers, than seeing her certify the vote on my birthday, of all things, January 6th. She had to get up on, you know, and certify as VP the fact that Donald Trump had beaten her as president. And it was a glorious day for me.

1:24:47Piers Morgan:There's just one problem, Eric, if you do run for president, and it's down to the... Well, let me play your clip and get your reaction. It's down to this guy, Pete Hegson. No more beards, long hair, superficial individual expression. We're going to cut our hair, shave our beards and adhere to standards. Because it's like the broken windows theory of policing. It's like when you let the small stuff go, the big stuff eventually goes. If you do become commander in chief, Eric, the beard has to go, says Pete H.

1:25:18Eric Trump:I guess so. But Pierce, he actually has longer hair than I do. Like, that's like the great irony. He's got he's got phenomenal hair. I'm going to Pete's a very good buddy of mine. I'm going to call him up and say, you know, listen, now that you run the military, you've got to shave it, buddy. You've got to you've got to take the BIC and you've got to BIC your head. And but honestly, isn't it nice to see the guy, right? You know, who's effectively who runs our military. Isn't it really nice to say, you know what? Lose the gut. You know, learn how to do a pull up. Right. We no longer have Admiral Rachel Levine.

1:25:45Eric Trump:I'm sure she found her way somehow into your book, who is transgender, who is running health and human services in the United States of America. Give me a break. And you see Pete out there on the football field and he's doing push-ups with the cadets. That's what you want. That's the mentality you want. I agree with him 100%.

1:26:01Piers Morgan:I like the fact... My brother was an army colonel. My brother-in-law was an army colonel, the British army. I like the fact you've got a guy who's been there, done the hard yards in the US military, and he wants to return the standards to the high levels that he went through when he was in it. I see no problem with that. You know, I think that it's good to see somebody who actually was a recent member of the armed forces. Who cares that much?

1:26:25Eric Trump:Just look at one statistic, Pierce. A month before my father took office under Joe Biden, they were begging people to take the job and getting totally unqualified people because no one was actually applying. And then two months later, right, actually having a little testosterone and believing in the United States of America and saying, hey, we're going to stand behind you. We're going to build the greatest fighting force in the world. We're going to have the most lethal fighting force in the world. That's the United States of America. They have the highest military recruitment in history. That was a four-month transformational change, four months to go from the worst to the best.

1:26:59Eric Trump:And so he's doing a great job. And by the way, that benefits humanity. That benefits the UK. That benefits our allies around the world. Having America be strong is just number one. And we're strong again.

1:27:09Piers Morgan:Eric, it's great to see you. Just reminding me, we've never played golf, and I've just come back from Scotland, where I came fifth in the Dunhill Links Pro-Am. Oh, I saw that. So, yeah, so I'm surprised you haven't heard about this. I was actually texting.

1:27:25Eric Trump:I have the two best courses in Aberdeen. Well. So anytime you want to play, I'll host two to you.

1:27:30Piers Morgan:Next time you're over, I'm coming up to take you on. And we'll do a little Ryder Cup. I was texting with your father during the tournament, so you can tell him if he wants to join in. I quite fancy a couple of Trumps on my belt notch.

1:27:43Eric Trump:I like that. We'll do a little Ryder Cup. Piers and person of your choice versus the president and Eric Trump. I like that. We'll do it at Turnberry.

1:27:52Piers Morgan:I'll bring Rory McIlroy.

1:27:54Eric Trump:Don't bring Rory. We're going to conflict him out.

1:27:58Piers Morgan:By the way, final question on golf, talking of under siege, your view of the unruly behaviour of some of the American fans at the Ryder Cup?

1:28:07Eric Trump:Yeah, listen, I don't love seeing golfers have beers thrown at them, right? That's less than perfect. It's a gentleman's sport, and I'm not into that. I know Rory. By the way, Rory, he's a sweetheart. He's become a good friend of mine. He lives about two doors down from me. He's right next to us. I see Rory all the time, and he's a wonderful guy. He loves Kai Trump, by the way, my niece. Yeah, she's great. He has a great relationship, but no, I don't like to see that stuff, especially when it comes to the wives, et cetera. But, hey, listen, I don't think your fans always win the day either, by the way, Piers.

1:28:39Eric Trump:Well, our fans may not, Harry. I see some of your sporting events. You guys aren't exactly nailing it. Now, we don't always rule the day either.

1:28:46Piers Morgan:I've got to say, compared to a football crowd, I think they got it easy over there. And actually, I noticed that when the American fans stopped abusing the Team Europe, we didn't play as well. So maybe they should have let them carry on. Yeah, isn't that ironic, right? But anyway, the bottom line is we beat you, and I think that was the main takeaway. way. I'm sure you'd agree.

1:29:05Eric Trump:Well done. Well done. My father and I are going to beat you at Turnberry or Aberdeen next time we're there.

1:29:11Piers Morgan:You know what? I'm looking forward to it already. Bring your A

1:29:13Eric Trump:game.

1:29:14Piers Morgan:Eric Trump, best of luck with the book Under Siege. It's a cracking read. Really, it's actually quite an unsettling read as well. It's a remarkable story though and I'm glad you're still here to tell the tale because there were many people who would love to have seen the back of you and it's good that you're here. Thank you very much for coming back on Uncensored. I appreciate it.

1:29:34Eric Trump:Thanks, my friend.

1:29:35Piers Morgan:And I'll see you at Megyn Kelly's event. I think we're doing it together in Miami.

1:29:39Eric Trump:It'll be fun. We'll have a great time.

1:29:41Piers Morgan:Thank you forward to it. Take care.

1:29:42Eric Trump:Take care, my friend.

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