'We're NOT Giving An INCH!' Greenland PM Responds To Trump + Epstein Latest

18:23Jens-Frederik Nielsen:I'm ready to do more in terms of security in a NATO frame with the allies. Let's talk about that in a respectful and good dialogue and not talking about I need to give away my people, because that's essentially what it means to give away sovereignty, right?

18:42Piers Morgan:When you see the White House and Donald Trump posting Greenland memes on social media, and we're showing a few of them for viewers now, which are slightly mocking the situation, the Trump Tower in Greenland, Trump and J.D. Vance, his vice president, planting the U.S. flag in Greenland and so on. When you see the President of the United States and his number two and the White House doing this kind of thing, sort of making a bit of a mockery of the situation, which, as you've so eloquently explained, has a very tangible effect on Greenlanders and makes Greenlanders very anxious about their future.

19:23Piers Morgan:What do you feel about that? Do you think they should stop?

19:28Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Yeah, I think they should. First of all, a lot of the posts, a lot of the memes have some, I know it's memes, right? But I saw one with penguins in Greenland. We don't have a single penguin in Greenland. So I think they also show a lack of knowledge about Greenland. It's unfortunate, but true. I think it shows a lack of knowledge about Greenland and the Greenlandic people and the Greenlandic society, which is actually doing okay in a lot of parts. we have a good industry, our fishery industry is the best in the world, the best seafood in the world, Pierce, if you get the chance you should try it, but I've become a bit, I think it's unfortunate and when you keep mocking my people what you do when you do that I understand their feelings and I share them a lot of the times, I think it's so unfortunate

20:25Piers Morgan:Insulting to your people

20:27Jens-Frederik Nielsen:I think it's insulting. I think it is, because we have said very clear from the beginning, first of all, the way of speaking about an ally, my people and our country, it's of course unacceptable. It's of course disrespectful. Let's have a good dialogue, peaceful and respectful dialogue as two allies, as two partners. let's have it like that. We have said it from the beginning and that's still what I mean, what I feel.

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22:32Jens-Frederik Nielsen:No, no, look. First of all, I'm so happy for the support the Greenlandic people gets from a lot of countries now. A lot of countries and a lot of leaders from other countries are supporting Greenland. But by supporting Greenland, you are supporting international law, territorial integrity, and the world order, essentially. But look, what I'm hoping for and what I want is a normalized relationship. A good relationship we have had for many years. Let's come back to that. Let's come back to respecting international law and territorial integrity and partners and allies. That's what I want. Of course, if some people are talking about or some countries are talking about boycotts and so on, I will not get into that discussion.

23:27Right now, I'm doing what I can.

23:32Jens-Frederik Nielsen:We are using all of our resources to try to get a normal relationship with the country that we have been a respectful part and respected for many, many, many years.

23:45Piers Morgan:I've got to ask you this because every single public figure in the world it seems is being dragged in in some way to the Epstein files scandal have you put your name into the files to see if your name pops up at all if you got discussed at any level like I mean I imagine everybody else is doing?

24:06Jens-Frederik Nielsen:It appears I'm 34 years old. I'm a young man. So when that sort of things were going on, I was still in kindergarten, right? So no, you will not see my name in such files.

24:25Piers Morgan:Just finally, Prime Minister, it must be a strange thing that you operated under the kind of global radar for so long, but now suddenly the world's attention has been thrust upon Greenland. That can also have a benefit, right? I mean, for all the negative stuff and the anxiety it's caused and everything else, there must be, I would imagine, some benefit to Greenland being in the global spotlight.

24:52Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Yeah, of course. We are not, first of all, we are not used to that kind of attention. Let me say that first. I hope people can see now what Greenland are. We have such a beautiful country and people, we already see an increased level of passengers traveling to our country. Of course, the negative side of the good attention we have now is that we also see cancellations, unfortunately, because of the uncertainty of the situation. But we feel the attention and we see, we also see, we have seen that it opens possibility for more and better cooperation with others too. Because we are, in our opinion, humble opinion, we are quite an attractive country because we have, we can show scenery that you can't see anywhere else in the world.

25:54Jens-Frederik Nielsen:And we have so many opportunities in terms of industry, like in terms of mineral resources and so on. We have some attractive resources we can work together with other countries with. So I'm sure that more people know now where Greenland are, what it is. I hope they also know now that we don't have penguins if they are coming to see those. But we are the land of the opportunity. I really think that we have huge potential in many areas.

26:32Piers Morgan:Well, I wish you all the very best. And I'm going to try and find time to come and have some of your fish, because I'm told it is absolutely world class. So, Prime Minister, thank you very much indeed.

26:43Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Thank you so much for the opportunity, Piers.

26:46Piers Morgan:Well, listening to that and ready to discuss much more is the host of The Critical, Andrew Wilson, The New York Post correspondent Lydia Moynihan, the former Republican congressman and host of The Social Contract, Joe Walsh, and the Liberal commentator Cameron Kasky. Welcome to all of you. Joe Walsh, welcome back to Uncensored. Kind of fascinating conversation there with a prime minister, I doubt anybody had heard of before about a month ago, and then suddenly he's propelled onto the global stage. He's a smart, eloquent guy. But interesting that for him, the red line, not an inch of sovereignty.

27:20Piers Morgan:shall pass to the United States. What did you make of it?

27:24Jens-Frederik Nielsen:First off, Pierce, good to be back with you. Secondly, Pierce, great interview. Well done. How refreshing and cool is that guy? And he's 34 years old. Man, that's the first time I've heard him speak extensively. Look, I love that. And that was my biggest takeaway was back off on sovereignty. This is our country. Back off respectfully. He was utmost respect to Donald Trump, even though Donald Trump deserves zero respect from him with the way that Trump and Vance have treated him and his people. But that's that, Pierce, that was the biggest takeaway, is that, look, the United States, you can you've got as much military access on Greenland as you want.

28:11Jens-Frederik Nielsen:This isn't about military access with Trump. It's never been. He can't say that because that prime minister is too nice and decent. But this is all about Trump wanting to put his name on something and Trump financially wanting to get Greenland's natural resources. What a great young man, a great young leader.

28:30Piers Morgan:Andrew Wilson, we're going to come much later in the show to your conversation with Joe Rogan about my shattered hip and the life expectancy that the pair of you decided to come up with, which basically inferred I had less than a decade left. I thought I was nice.

28:45Jens-Frederik Nielsen:I thought I was super nice. You were, actually. No, you were.

28:49Piers Morgan:Although you were the first to suggest alcohol had played a part in my downfall. And I can categorically assure you, zero alcohol had passed my list, which actually... Well, I mean, it would have played a part in my downfall.

29:02Jens-Frederik Nielsen:That's what I thought.

29:03Piers Morgan:Well, actually, a doctor friend of mine said, had I been intoxicated, I would have had a much easier fall. I'd have basically rolled, and I wouldn't have caused such damage. Anyway, we're going to come to that later, because it made me laugh. Welcome back to Uncensored. It was a great interview, actually, with you and Joe. I really enjoyed that. This issue of Greenland, I mean, let's extrapolate this really to a wider worldview that Trump seemed to have, which is, you know, I can take what I want. The United States is so big, so powerful. We have the world's biggest military. If I want Greenland, I'm going to help myself.

29:38Piers Morgan:Do you, as an American, do you feel comfortable about that kind of mindset, particularly relating to a country that is under the sovereignty of a NATO ally, which not just any old NATO ally, the Danes actually lost, I think, the third highest number of people in the Afghanistan war, for example, when they came and fought with Americans against the Taliban per capita. I think it was the highest per capita, actually, were the Danes. So, you know, the Americans owe the Danes a lot, And yet here you've got the president saying, yeah, I may just come and take it. What did you feel about that?

30:15Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Well, I don't know exactly what the strategic reason actually is. And that's the big problem, right, is we do know that there's a lot of natural resources there. And we know that Trump wants to buy it. We know that the United States wants to stay a global hegemon. And however it needs to stay a global hegemon, it's going to do whatever that means, right, whether it's Trump or not Trump. In this particular case, I do think that Trump thought he could probably buy this outright, but they're not selling. As far as the memes and things like that, I don't think that's a huge deal at all. As far as I'm concerned, this is still something which is going on under negotiation, and I think he's going to try to buy it.

30:59Jens-Frederik Nielsen:I think he's going to try to buy it for the strategic interests of the United States, and good luck to him. Maybe it'll be the 51st state.

31:07Piers Morgan:Well, you know, Cameron Caffey, welcome to Uncensored. You know, I've been saying from the start of this debate about Greenland, there are only 60 ,000 of them. You're not talking about millions of people. And I don't know how many of them would categorise themselves as wealthy or poor or whatever. I'm not sure exactly of the economic breakdown of Greenlanders. But if they were, for example, as I posited to the Prime Minister, to vote in a referendum to be independent, which, notwithstanding what he said, most people think is more likely to happen, that they would vote to go independent. If the Americans made an offer, significant financial offer, to enrich the lives of each Greenlander, I could see that potentially being an option they may take.

31:56Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Well, in Europe, they have health care, and I think that that's what a lot of people want. In the United States, you can get sick and just go broke, And that's something that Donald Trump is not willing to do anything about. But the Greenland situation boils down to the fact that the global order that was established after World War II to prevent something like that from happening again is something that President Trump is more than happy to not only disrupt but chip away at if it serves the interest of whoever he is working for. So the Greenland situation, in my opinion, is Trump just happily playing risk because he likes throwing power and tough talk around.

32:33Jens-Frederik Nielsen:But ultimately, it's something that is going to be very damaging to the United States, to our reputation, which has already taken so many hits in the past year. And being a global power is not just about what type of force and threats of violence you can throw around. It's not about what type of money you can throw around. It's about partnerships and building trust with other leaders. and in the past year, Donald Trump has given places like the EU a lot of reason to believe that we are not a stable partner. And that's why I think a lot of those countries are going to be turning to China and it is going to backfire for generations.

33:07Jens-Frederik Nielsen:They're not turning to China. It's ridiculous. Yeah, I don't think they're going to turn to China. Well, I mean, you can look at what they're doing financially. No, not if you look at what they're doing financially. No, the United States is still the hegemon. It's going to stay the hegemon. The EU is not going to do anything about it. There's mayors of cities here. I believe in the United States have more than 60 ,000 people. You guys have TDS and everything Trump does is evil and awful and this and that. But the truth is, is that this is a hegemon. It is the global hegemon. And if we want to leverage our nation in order to acquire more land in our strategic interests, we're going to do that.

33:47Jens-Frederik Nielsen:And the EU is not going to do anything about it. And that's the truth. OK.

33:52Piers Morgan:All right. Let me bring in Lydia. Welcome to Uncensored Lydia. Good to have you on. Do you agree with that? I mean, a lot of people feel that talking that way about a country owned by a NATO ally is at best disrespectful and at worst the actions of a bully, right? Somebody who just says, you know what, if we want it, we're going to take it and there's nothing you can do about it.

34:20Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Well, if you take a line out of Billie Eilish's book, no one is illegal on stolen land. So I think we have every right to it, according to her logic. Look, I don't think we should use military force. I don't think that's going to be happening. But look, people have wanted Greenland in the US since William Seward back in the 1800s. When he purchased Alaska, he also wanted to get Greenland. Truman once again tried to get Greenland. And the history of the U.S. is purchasing land. The Louisiana Purchase, Alaska, the Virgin Islands, about 100 years ago, we purchased from the Danes as well. So I think it's very reasonable that Trump wants to expand his footprint.

34:57Jens-Frederik Nielsen:And if this is the kind of thing that he can get done, we know he loves deal-making, I think more power to him. And it is an important strategic asset. Of course, it's very close to the Arctic, to China, to Russia. It's an important place to launch potentially missiles. The cool climate makes it perfect for data centers that can cool naturally. There are those rare earth minerals that right now we don't have in the U.S. So I think it would be great if we can cobble together some kind of deal that everyone is happy with. More power to them.

35:27Piers Morgan:Okay, let's move on to other big stuff in the news. Joe, the Epstein scandal. So many things pouring out of this massive drop of stuff that came in the last few days. Interestingly to me, because I'm in London at the moment, the consequences of this dump have been dramatic in the UK, right? We are currently engulfed by what I would say with some confidence is the biggest royal scandal in my lifetime and the biggest political scandal in my lifetime, both happening simultaneously as a direct consequence of the former Prince Andrew, now Andrew Umbat and Windsor, and Lord Mandelson, who I suspect will soon not be a lord and may well be propping up a prison cell, who was the UK ambassador to Washington.

36:18Piers Morgan:These guys are toppling like dominoes, but what's interesting is we're not seeing Americans toppling like dominoes, even though there's a plethora of big-name Americans in there. What's going on here? Why is it that America, for some reason, is not exacting accountability in the same immediate, dramatic way that we're doing, say, in the UK?

36:44Jens-Frederik Nielsen:And Pierce, kudos to you over there, because, yes, you are beginning to aggressively hold the rich and the powerful, the elites accountable for their relationships with the pedophile, the head of the pedophilia ring, Jeffrey Epstein. We're not doing that here. Republican, Democrat, independent business leaders, political leaders, there are a bunch of rich and powerful elite people, men in these files, and we're not going near them. I think the president of the United States right now is doing everything he can to protect them. I think he's using the Justice Department to protect powerful people.

37:24Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Again, Republican and Democrat across the board. We're not holding them accountable. And, Pierce, I'll leave you with this. Look, the current president of the United States is mentioned in these files thousands and thousands of times. There are allegations, just allegations, Pierce. There are allegations in these files that Donald Trump raped underage girls and threatened to kill underage girls. Yeah, but let me stop you there. Just allegations.

37:53Piers Morgan:But here's the problem. Yeah, but, Joe, here's the problem. Those have already been looked at, instantly dismissed as the stuff of fantasy. The problem, if you're Donald Trump, is that absolutely anyone could call in with any outrageous allegation and he gets logged and then appears in these files. I think we've got to be a bit more grown up about how we approach this. Nobody thinks Donald Trump raped children, right? I mean, you don't think that. I don't think that. And it's already been dismissed by the investigators as the stuff of just a nefarious caller wanting to do damage to him. However, I would caveat that by saying, I don't think it's enough that there are still millions of files that are not being released.

38:40Piers Morgan:I don't think it's enough. And I've always felt, because I've talked to David Boyes, who was Virginia Dufresne's lawyer, and he's one of the top criminal lawyers in American modern history, He said he'd never seen anything which pinned Trump to any criminality with Epstein. Yes, he had a long friendship with him. Yes, that was obviously very embarrassing. Yes, you know, he should be more transparent about it, I think, rather than trying to shut it down all the time. But no one's produced any evidence, actual evidence that suggests criminality with Trump.

39:10Jens-Frederik Nielsen:However, the only point, the only point I'm making is Donald Trump is one of a very rich, powerful person who will probably never be held accountable. I mean, Bill Clinton, Republican, Democrat, business leaders across the board. My fear is none of these guys will be held.

39:30Piers Morgan:OK, let me bring let me bring Andrew in on that, because a really interesting development is that having said they wouldn't testify to the House about this, the inquiry, Bill and Hillary Clinton have now done a U-turn and are going to testify, which is fascinating on its own. Bill will appear for a deposition 27th of February. Hillary will appear the day before. It'll be the first time a former US president has testified to a congressional panel since Gerald Ford in 1983. So really quite an historic moment it's going to be, and there'll be huge televised ratings, I'm sure. what's even more interesting to me is not their U-turn but Donald Trump's reaction let's take a look

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41:07Piers Morgan:I've never heard Donald Trump talk about Hillary Clinton like that. What's going on?

41:12Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Well, I mean, what do you want? If he's making fun of her, you're upset. If he's not making fun of her, they're upset. What do you want? Well, I'm not upset.

41:22Piers Morgan:I'm not upset by any of it. I'm just saying he's gone from lock her up, lock her up, lock her up, to suddenly it's all a great shame when she's facing an inquiry that might actually lead to potentially locking her up.

41:34Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Yeah, I don't think that that's what's going on at all. I think that the Clintons want to go in and they want to clear their name, right? They've been mentioned. You have this kind of weight around Bill's neck. It's been well known that Clinton himself is a philanderer, right? But that doesn't mean that he is a chomo. And this is one of the reasons I think they're rushing in there. Same thing with Elon Musk. It's going to be the same thing. He was mentioned in the Epstein files. I think he's going to want to clear his name as well. Well, what we don't have right now is evidences of wrongdoing.

42:06Jens-Frederik Nielsen:And that's what we got to find, right? We got to make sure that there's actual evidence of wrongdoing before we have guys come on panels like this and start talking about how everyone's a child molester. It's like, look, I want to see some evidence of that. Does that mean that we should release the rest of the files? I think we should release the rest of the files. I don't think anybody's opposed to that. That's something I would push for. Donald Trump and the Justice Department are pretty opposed to that, it seems. I mean, Trump has kind of switched around between the downplay. It's not just Trump's Justice Department.

42:39Jens-Frederik Nielsen:If Joe Biden could have released these as well, if Trump was really in them and the Biden administration had any knowledge that Trump was diddling kids, it would have been the most irresponsible thing on planet Earth to not have released that. So why didn't they? Well, they didn't because there's no evidence that he did. No, they didn't release them because I'm happy to tell you why they didn't release them. Joe Biden had absolutely no desire to challenge the global elite at all. I'm sure plenty of Joe Biden's donors and friends are completely incriminated in the Epstein files. And ultimately, whether or not there was evidence of Donald Trump committing any sort of illegal actions in the Epstein files, Joe Biden was not going to disappoint the American elite, the many powers that are in these files, and also the Mossad, which is one of the main characters of the files.

43:28Jens-Frederik Nielsen:So, no, I don't think Joe Biden wasn't releasing the files. MI6 or any of the other intelligence groups which were working within the Epstein framework. But that's not really the point. The point that I'm after here is if Democrats said or thought in any way, shape or form that Trump actually was diddling kids, underage kids, they would have by any means necessary released that to have stopped Trump. They didn't because there is no evidence of that happening. That's why. Well, the Democrats are trying to release it right now. It's the Republicans, except for Thomas Massey, that are trying to stop it.

44:03Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Well, OK, so let me bring in...

44:07Piers Morgan:Let me bring in Lydia. Go ahead. Lydia, do you think all the files should be released, as Andrew says, and as I absolutely believe? I mean, I just think if you don't, forever we're going to be dealing with, well, what's in the ones we haven't seen?

44:21Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Of course. No, I mean, I kind of feel like right now we have the worst of all possible worlds. Obviously, the goal of releasing the files should be transparency and justice. And right now, we have a little bit more transparency. We have some tawdry details about Bill Gates allegedly getting an STD. But when we look at what was released, 43 victims' names that should have been redacted were not redacted. There were unredacted images of nude photos of young children. I mean, it was kind of a disaster. And so my concern is if we do release more, we're going to see more victims harmed. And to your point earlier, Piers, I mean, it's kind of insane that we're reading all of this really damning info about Bill Gates and Reid Hoffman.

45:04Jens-Frederik Nielsen:And yet they all seem to be skating by scot-free. And yet it's like Peter Atiyah, a longevity guru who's getting kicked off the board of a protein bar company. So I feel like right now, though, we have some transparency, a lot more questions. I mean, you look at some of the names that were redacted. There's this one email to Epstein that says, oh, your little girl was really naughty last night. And that name is redacted. I'd like to see who that person was. I agree. Who are these people whose names we haven't been told? Conspiracy theories are just out of control, right? You have people saying, oh, Trump raped a 12-year-old, which is not true.

45:41Jens-Frederik Nielsen:The Wayfair conspiracy is back. So I kind of think we have more confusion, less transparency, and it's really bad for the victims at this point. Let me bring Joe in.

45:53Piers Morgan:Joe, before you respond, I talked about this yesterday, but Elon Musk, for example, has been pounding away on his ex account about how he's led the charge for transparency, he's better than all the others, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And yet when you compare and contrast his denials and saying, I always rejected all invitations to go to the island, to go to the parties and so on. And you compare them to the emails that have actually been in the files in real time, which show Elon Musk very keen to get on the island and go to the wildest parties, it turned out. So when people do that, when we can see with our own eyes that they're not being completely honest about their own position, I'm not saying for a moment Elon Musk did anything wrong or criminal or anything, But I do know what he's trying to spin about what he said in those emails is not accurate, which then raises a number of other questions.

46:49Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Yeah. And Pierce, it goes to the other point you raised a few minutes ago, Trump's odd reaction kind of complimenting Bill and Hillary Clinton. I think it just goes to this bipartisan protection racket. They're all going to try to protect each other. That's why. And again, just one final point, Pierce, the context here. Remember, before Trump got elected, Trump promised to release these files if he became president. J.D. Vance said the same thing. I come from the right. Every right-wing talker promised if Trump wins, we're going to release them all. This will be the mother of all deep state scandals.

47:28Jens-Frederik Nielsen:So then Trump wins and he says no. That's the basis for so much of the confusion here. Yeah. There is confusion. But don't you think that if there was something super damning in there about him, he wouldn't have campaigned on that? Obviously, he was willing to bring it up. Joe Biden, Democrats weren't talking about this at all.

47:49Piers Morgan:Yeah, Lydia, I don't actually think, and I haven't done for a while, particularly since talking to David Boies, because he had no reason to defend Trump. Quite the opposite. He said he looked at the files and there was nothing in there that incriminates Trump. I've never felt that Donald Trump himself has committed any crime in relation to Epstein. But I do think there are a lot of people in the potential criminality firing line who may well be Republican donors or maybe friends of his business associate. Who knows? Right. We just don't know. But I do know if you don't put all the documents out, as you said, Lydia, the conspiracy theories will just rage and rage and rage.

48:26Piers Morgan:And this scandal is already massive. I mean, it's hard to think of a bigger scandal of its kind that we've seen in our lifetimes. And it's only going to get bigger, I suspect. We don't even know... We haven't even been through probably a tenth of what's in the current dump. Let's just turn to another issue. Andrew, I'll come to you on this. A clip of last night. This is in the Oval Office, I think. It's Donald Trump attacking CNN's Caitlin Collins for not smiling.

48:56Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Now that nothing came out about me other than it was a conspiracy against me, literally by Epstein and other people. But I think it's time now for the country to maybe get onto something else. But what would you say to people who feel like they haven't gotten justice, Mr.

49:13Piers Morgan:President?

49:13Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Something that people care about. What did you say to CNN? What would you say to the survivors who feel like they haven't gotten justice? You are the worst reporter. CNN has no ratings because of people like you. You know, she's a young woman. I don't think I've ever seen you smile. I've known you for 10 years. I don't think I've ever seen a smile on your face. Well, I'm asking you about survivors of Jeffrey Epstein. You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth. And you're a very dishonest organization, and they should be ashamed of you. These are survivors of a sexual lamuser.

49:46Piers Morgan:Now, Andrew, full disclosure, I know Caitlin a bit. I used to do the 9 o 'clock slot at CNN. She does that now. I think she's a great journalist, a great correspondent. Does she smile? She smiles all the time. Oh, my God. But she doesn't smile when she's talking. She's such a baby, dude. You could just say it's bad when the president... She doesn't smile when... Hang on, hang on. Cameron, I'll come to you, Cameron. Oh, no, I cracked a joke. Oh, I cracked a joke. Oh, my God. Here's my point. Andrew, here's my point. Donald Trump has taken, in the last sort of year or so, to being pretty offensive to female correspondents in particular.

50:24Piers Morgan:Should he do that, or should he be a little bit more respectful?

50:28Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Yeah, Trump's whole stylistic is being very combative with media. It's one of the things that really worked with him as a strategy in dealing with them. What's one of the most endearing parts of Trump when it comes to the American public's perception of him is the fact that he's extremely combative with the media. And let's not pretend that it's not a big game on both sides. Both sides are playing it. They both enjoy it. It's like a game of cat and mouse, right? Can I get Trump's goat? Oh, I did. Trump kind of had a little go off on me. Now it's big news. Right. It's part of the combative nature that he has with the media.

51:06Jens-Frederik Nielsen:It's probably one of the guy's most endearing qualities, honestly. I know everybody is always freaking out about it, but that's the thing that the kids call aura. Right. The whole idea that he can have these engagements with these media personalities and it goes viral and people are laughing and they're having a good time. I mean, it's part of this guy's personality. Always has been.

51:26Piers Morgan:I mean, Lydia, I don't think for a moment Caitlin will lose any sleep over it. She's a tough cookie. I think she'll probably be quite enjoying the attention on it. It just makes her a little bit more famous and probably gets more people tuning in. But as a woman yourself, if you were disparaged in that way by the President of the United States, whoever it was, would you think that's the right way to talk to female correspondents, female journalists, if you're the President?

51:56Jens-Frederik Nielsen:If I was advising Trump, I would not encourage him to do that. Yeah, you don't want to comment on people's appearances, tell a woman to smile. That's just not what he should be focused on. But I guess I understand the point of a lot of folks in the MAGA base want to see him sort of own the libs and own the media. But I think there's a way of doing that in a way that isn't offensive to a woman and her decision to smile or frown. You don't think it's hilarious? You don't think that that's hilarious? Like, it's objectively hilarious when he has these exchanges with media. And media kind of, I've seen them go out of their way to kind of make the exchanges happen even.

52:33Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Because they know it's going to be all over the news. It's news itself when he has these exchanges with these various women. And, I mean, are you really pretending that it's not hilarious? It is hilarious, right? Andrew, let's just acknowledge. I don't think it's objective. I think it's subjectively hilarious. And obviously, you feel that way. There's a lot of people who feel that way. I if I was advising Trump I would not encourage him to take that tack. I mean you're smiling right now because you know it's funny But whatever all right fair.

53:01Piers Morgan:Yeah, but I think I do think you said pocket I'll come to Joe But I do think it's important to remember that as Caitlyn pointed out it got a bit drowned out But she was asking him a question about the Epstein survivors That is not something you would normally crack a smile about as you did it Um, you know, I don't dispute that Trump style is popular with people and sometimes he makes me laugh I do find it a little bit ugly, I have to be honest, Joe, the way he's gone after some of these female correspondents. And knowing Caitlyn, I think she's one of the fairer ones anyway. I never see bias with her.

53:32Piers Morgan:It's not like when Jim Acosta used to, you know, literally game those Oval Office pressers and try and make a name for himself. There are a lot of people out there who want to be the story.

53:42Jens-Frederik Nielsen:She's not one of them.

53:44Piers Morgan:Well, we saw it with Don Lemon as a classic example, which I was going to come to. because Don Lemon actually all that's happened by going so hardball after Don Lemon, Joe, is it's turned him into a martyr and it's revived his whole career. He's now on Jimmy Kimmel. He's now doing all these big interviews. He's getting big numbers for his YouTube show and so on. I mean, the only winner out of all that is Don Lemon.

54:10Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Completely, Pierce. Absolutely, completely. He's taken Don Lemon to another level in the stratosphere because he went after him on a case that I think will be dropped. Before you get to Lemon, and I know people want to talk about Lemon, again, this point needs to be made. I agree with Andrew. I'm sure there are, I know there are a lot of people who love that Trump does this. And I know there are a lot of people who find it funny. But it is also ugly because he has a particular longstanding habit of attacking the physical appearances of female reporters. There ain't nothing funny about that. Miss Piggy?

54:48Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Hey, Miss Piggy from a couple months ago, he said to a female reporter, shut up, Miss Piggy? Come on, that's not funny.

54:56Piers Morgan:Yeah, it is. It is funny. No, and he wouldn't find it funny. It was funny. But Andrew, if somebody – okay, but if somebody said that about – if someone called Melania Miss Piggy, for example, Trump would go nuts, right? So, you know, let's be clear. It wouldn't be – he wouldn't find it funny the other way around.

55:15Jens-Frederik Nielsen:And if he did go nuts about that, that would also be funny. The thing is, it's like, I think we're like missing the forest through the trees here, right? Yes, it was funny. It was hilarious. It went uber viral. Everybody was talking about it. And a lot of people were laughing about it because it was really funny. It's very unorthodox the way he engages with people, and it's very different. And because of that, people pay close attention to it because they think it's hilarious. And it's like, I'm tired of pretending that it's not. I talk to leftists all the time. They get so upset about this stuff.

55:50And it's like, come on.

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56:28Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Terms apply.

56:29Piers Morgan:Of course I do. Listen, I spoke to Trump three, four days ago. He called me for a chat. He made me laugh out loud three or four times. I actually was very interesting. I was a comedian last week. I can't remember who it was. There was a comedian who said that he speaks to a lot of comedians on the circuit, on the big pro circuit. And they all agree that whatever you think of his politics, Trump is a natural, brilliant comedian. They all agree. They think his comedic timing, his spontaneity, his ability to make a crowd laugh is like nothing they've seen in any politician. Pierce, did you think it was funny yesterday?

57:07Piers Morgan:Pierce, did you think what he said about Caitlyn to Caitlyn was funny? Because I know Caitlin wouldn't care, and I know she didn't. I texted with her afterwards. Because I know she wouldn't care. I just thought she'll just think it's funny in terms of she doesn't care. Did you think when he called the female reporter

57:26Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Miss Piggy Pierce, you didn't think that was funny? No, I didn't like that.

57:29Piers Morgan:I didn't like that. I didn't think that was funny, no. I don't think being derogatory about a woman's looks when they're professional journalists trying to do their job. I just think it crosses a line of just being a gentleman, right? And I don't think you should, if you're a man, why would you want to be that guy?

57:45Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Yeah, but the same media groups, these same media groups attack him overwhelmingly over his appearance. They attack Melania over her appearance. They attack him all day and all night. These are representatives of these media companies. And Trump's like, I'll give him a little smack back. And they're like, oh my God, how could he? It's just ridiculous.

58:03Piers Morgan:I think that's a very fair point. I was about to make it to Cameron, which is if you look at the coverage of the Melania movie, some of the reviews have been savagely personal about her, including how she looks, even though, to me, whatever you think of the Trumps, if you can love them or hate them, Melania, to me, as a fashion icon, is up there with Jackie Kennedy. I mean, she's just the most stylish first lady since Jackie Kennedy. You can't argue that fact to me. But the Trump derangement syndrome, and I think if I may say this with respect, I think you might be a bit of a sufferer of this, means that all bets are off when it comes to the Trumps, right?

58:39Piers Morgan:You can say what you like about them. And therefore, as Andrew said, when the response is to feign outrage when it comes back a bit, it's like, well, okay, you've been calling him a Nazi for years. Everyone's been hammering Melania in these reviews. You know, what's the difference?

58:56Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Well, Caitlin Collins didn't just release a$75 million documentary about herself. She was asking Donald Trump to comment on the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking rape ring. So the thought that an appropriate response to somebody asking about the systematic rape and allegedly murder of women being orchestrated by Jeffrey Epstein in the global elite, the thought that the response to that is why don't you smile a little, is a bit more incriminating than even Donald Trump going on to say that the Epstein scam was a hoax, which he did say. I mean, he went from campaigning ON TO SAY IT'S A HOAX AND SAYING HE IS COMPLETELY EVINDIGATED.

59:40Jens-Frederik Nielsen:IT'S EXTREMELY INCONSISTENT. THE ONE THING THAT HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT WITH DONALD TRUMP SINCE THE 1990S AND BEFORE IT'S SEXISM.

59:47Piers Morgan:LET ME STOP YOU THERE. AS YOU KNOW, YOU WERE ON A CNN PANEL LAST WEEK AND YOU HAD TO APOLOGIZE AFTER SAYING THIS.

1:00:00Jens-Frederik Nielsen:I am appreciative that the president is being transparent about this. I would love it if he was more transparent about the human sex trafficking network that he was a part of. But you can't win them all. Cameron's grateful that the president is being transparent about the Nobel Peace Prize and his desires for Greenland. Scott, what do you think about that? You're going to let that sit? Are we going to claim here on CNN that the president is part of a global sex trafficking ring? Well, we're going to talk about the F.C. file. Scott, I will do the fact-checking as we go along here. Repeat what you said about the global sex trafficking ring.

1:00:29Jens-Frederik Nielsen:That Donald Trump was provably very involved with it. Okay, we'll get to that later. I mean, Donald Trump has never been charged with any crimes in relation to Jeffrey Epstein.

1:00:40Piers Morgan:Now, you issued an apology the next day on X. You said you had made the claim by accident and that Donald Trump was obviously not involved with a giant international child sex trafficking ring. And yet when you were given the chance to correct your accidental slur against him, which was a hoax, I mean, what you said was completely untrue, you doubled down, you said it again. So it wasn't an accident. You genuinely believed it. And I would argue, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I would argue that is an example where your visceral hatred of Trump means in your head all bets are off. You don't have to treat him like you would somebody else in public life.

1:01:18Piers Morgan:you can accuse him of being part of a global human trafficking ring. And when you're challenged, double down on that. And it's only when there's a massive backlash and you realize you might get sued that you then say, oh, I didn't mean it, it was an accident. And, you know, that's an example, I would say, of somebody who you can't see the wood for the trees with Trump.

1:01:38Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Well, I think Donald Trump should sue a lot of people for a lot of the ridiculous claims that have been made about his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein. Well, if he does. Well, if he does, he's going to have to go to Discovery and he's going to have to testify under oath. And fortunately, we know there's a lot of information that can be revealed that will prove just how innocent the president is, which, of course, I mean to.

1:01:58Piers Morgan:But do you admit you lied about it? But Cameron, do you admit you lied about it? Well, I didn't just make one mistake.

1:02:04Jens-Frederik Nielsen:I made two mistakes in a row. And if the president chooses to seek legal action, we're going to learn a lot in Discovery and when he testifies under oath, and he's going to be completely vindicated. He's made it very clear. That wasn't my question. My question wasn't that you made a mistake.

1:02:20Piers Morgan:My question was that you lied. You just perpetrated a willful lie to denigrate Trump and accuse him of being part, probably the most heinous allegation you could make about any man is he was part of a human trafficking, global human trafficking operation, you said, twice.

1:02:38Jens-Frederik Nielsen:I know, and it's one thing to tell a lie once, But to make that mistake, to say something so horrible as a mistake like that twice is just so unacceptable. And if the president wants to—I mean, there's a lot of people who make these claims. Well, you know— But why did you do it? We all make accidents. And Donald Trump, I mistook his deep involvement with Jeffrey Epstein over the years, with an involvement with Jeffrey Epstein's human sex trafficking ring, when it's very clear the president was not involved with any criminal activity. HE WAS JUST EXTREMELY CLOSE WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO HAD BEEN DOING THIS FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.

1:03:12Jens-Frederik Nielsen:AND I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS EVERY RIGHT TO PROVE TO EVERYBODY THAT HE IS COMPLETELY INNOCENT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT WILL SHOW THAT HE'S INNOCENT, WHICH I MAINTAIN THAT HE IS.

1:03:20Piers Morgan:HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. IT'S DOWN TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE ON THE AIRWAYS TALKING ABOUT THIS TO STICK TO FACTS. AND I, AGAIN, I PUT IT TO YOU THAT YOUR HATRED OF TRUMP IS SO DEMENTED THAT YOU JUST DIDN'T THINK IT MATTERED. you had convinced yourself he was right up there with Epstein in running a global trafficking ring. So I'll give you an opportunity now, because Donald Trump watches Uncensored every now and again. Would you like to apologize to him for the hoax that you perpetrated? Mr.

1:03:47Jens-Frederik Nielsen:President, I apologize for accidentally perpetrating something that is clearly a hoax. And honestly, once more and more of these Epstein files get released, I look forward to you being completely vindicated, because clearly you couldn't stand this Epstein guy. and he couldn't stand you either.

1:04:04Piers Morgan:OK, so you admit you... It wasn't an accident, was it? You said it deliberately. That's not an accident.

1:04:10Jens-Frederik Nielsen:I mistook Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump's involvement with one another with Donald Trump being involved with parts of Jeffrey Epstein's business that there is no evidence he has been involved with. And fortunately, Donald Trump has a huge opportunity to set the record straight by ending this Epstein cover-up.

1:04:27Piers Morgan:Actually, you know what? Right now, Cameron, it's you that has that opportunity. and people will judge your wheelie-mouthed apology in the way they want to judge it. You should just admit you just got it completely wrong. I did. Unfortunately, there's a lot of evidence. There's no evidence he's part of a global human trafficking ring.

1:04:47Jens-Frederik Nielsen:No, I'm saying there's a lot of evidence that he's completely vindicated, and I really hope he releases it, because people are going to continue saying the wrong thing like I did. He doesn't need to release it.

1:04:56Piers Morgan:When you make a claim like that... I mean, he should release it. He campaigned on releasing it. Well, if I was to make a claim... Hang on, Cameron. If I was to make a claim like that about you, I would have to substantiate it with actual facts. There is no factual evidence to support that claim that you made. You know it. We know it. It wasn't an accident because you were asked about it in the moment and you doubled down and said it again. It wasn't an accident. Well, you know how it gets on those... You believed it.

1:05:24Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Well, you know, in a very high-pressure environment, you can end up making mistakes multiple times because you get very caught up in the theatrics of it. And unfortunately, the situation with debate is that debate is very much a show, it's a performance. You could say something's against the law and people will say, oh yeah, what law is it against? And if you can't name that law off the top of your head, they technically win the debate and then you could look up the law afterwards and suddenly be able to prove it, but too late, the debate is over. So I buckled under the pressure of a high pressure environment and I made not only one but two terrible mistakes.

1:05:58Jens-Frederik Nielsen:And again, I think it's up to the president to set the record straight because people are going to continue to perpetrate these lies, and I don't think that's reasonable. I think that needs to come to an end.

1:06:07Piers Morgan:Actually, only people who hate him so much they don't care about facts are going to be in that position. I try not to hate politicians.

1:06:16Jens-Frederik Nielsen:I try to look at politicians from a utilitarian perspective, and I think the president is in a place to do a lot of good right now. and the president has so much power that can be used to make the world a better place and my hope for Donald Trump is...

1:06:28Piers Morgan:The problem, Cameron, is when you say something like he was part of a human global trafficking ring, you do the cause of holding Trump to account irreparable damage and I'm not sure you entirely get that because actually by going that hard wrong about Trump it just devalues everything else you then say about it. That's the problem.

1:06:49Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Well, this is something we've talked about, is the Epstein situation is just so murky because the zone is so flooded with misinformation. And a lot of people have the wrong idea about this matter. So why don't you just stick to facts?

1:06:58Piers Morgan:Stick to facts. Literally stick to facts. It's much easier, I promise you. If you're cracking under the pressure of appearing on panel shows like this and saying completely outrageous things which are lies, my advice to you is to take a bit of a chill pill, study information a little bit more detailed, study facts and talk about facts. You can put your spin on the facts, but what you can't do is invent allegations of people being part of a global human trafficking setup. Andrew, I want to end on a happier note. I want to play the clip of you and Rogan talking about my shattered hip.

1:07:35Jens-Frederik Nielsen:Every time I see anybody who's 60s, they get the hip injury. it's it's bad yeah it's not good i think they they think your lifespan at post hip surgery is like 10 years yeah it's right and that he'll probably be better than that

1:07:53Piers Morgan:now let me assure you andrew that i'd intend to live past 70. uh the information that joe was citing there's not entirely erroneous so it came from a study in 2007 i obviously was panic stricken and check this, that in 2007, when hip replacement operations were not great, and they were mainly done on older people, then, you know, like in their 70s, 80s, then the average life expectancy, which it would have been anyway, was around 10 years. However, I can confirm now the surgery is at such an advanced level, and the hip replacements themselves are so bionic and fantastic, that my hip, I'm told, will last up to 25 years.

1:08:38Piers Morgan:And I want to take a bet with you now and Joe Rogan, I will live as long, if not longer, than my new bionic hip. $500 says I outlive my hip.

1:08:50Jens-Frederik Nielsen:You might live longer than me anyway, right?

1:08:58Jens-Frederik Nielsen:But the thing is, it's like, look, I thought it was endearing. Nobody was smack-talking you there. You know I sent you a DM. No, no. I'm only kidding. You actually were very kind, and you sent me a very nice message. We, of course, wish you the best in recovery. So I do appreciate coming on the panels and you allowing me to tangle with other people's worldviews. And I think over the course of things, you deal with people enough, you kind of become friendly with them, and then eventually friends. That's how that works. And I did wish the best for you. I was sorry that that happened. you came up in the course with Rogan because of course we're talking about different media personalities and you're a character right so you're going to come up that's how that works but I do wish you the very best and that your recovery goes very smoothly Amen.

1:09:47Piers Morgan:Just to be clear I found it hilarious I love Joe Rogan, I love you I thought it was great. The person who didn't find it quite so funny was my mother who suddenly thought that she might outlive me so she might outlive us both

1:10:05Jens-Frederik Nielsen:she might outlive us both can I just say Pierce I'm not sure I'll get this opportunity again so I just want to say given that my primary issues are gun violence and human rights in the Middle East it was very it was a great thing for me to see that you're doing well and you look great like it seems like the recovery has been pretty good considering the injury so as an admirer

1:10:28Piers Morgan:Let me tell you why I look great. I haven't had a drink in three weeks. So my liver is...

1:10:35Jens-Frederik Nielsen:I'd look miserable if I hadn't had a drink in three weeks. Yeah, I feel miserable.

1:10:40Piers Morgan:But actually, you look good on camera when you don't touch alcohol for three weeks. Plus, my wife's got me on a very strict, healthy diet, so I don't turn into a couch potato. And I'm doing a lot of physio and a lot of stuff. So actually, I'm leading a very abstemious, monk-like existence, which is driving me nuts, but actually looks quite good on camera. So maybe there's a lesson for all of us there, which is if you want to look good on camera, be unbelievably dull in every regard. Fortunately, not an aspiration for my panel, I suspect. Thank you all very much. I appreciate it. Thanks, Piers.

1:11:16Thank you.

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