"Why Are You GAY?" Piers Morgan of Uganda + Pope's Brother Makes SHOCKING Confession | 2025 Review

18:20Hi, mate. Do you have a question for me, Simon? Well, it's nice connecting with you. Welcome to Uganda.

18:32Piers Morgan:Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. Simon, what question do you have for James? Should I call you mister or missus? My name is... I guess my pronoun is he, so you can call me mister. He guesses. He guesses. Why are you gay? I really love sucking dick. Why are you straight? Oh, my God. Why are you straight? That's a good question. Why are you straight? Why are you straight? Why are you straight, Simon? I would love to know. Why am I straight? Yeah. Why did you... Sorry, is there a delay on the line? There is a delay. There is a delay. Heterosexuality is struggling. There is a delay. So, Simon, it's a very good question.

19:16Piers Morgan:Why are you straight? I mean, when did you make that decision? That's a good question. I was born straight and I've enjoyed being straight. I have no other option. Right. Two members of my panel were born gay. Yes. And had no option. and over here, we think that's completely normal. I think Pastor Martin Semper would disagree, but... Oh, wow. What do you think of that?

19:47Piers Morgan:Is there another delay? Simon, have you been stunned into silence? I think... There might be a delay. I think Simon's delay is due to the fact that he's literally living in the 1950s. Simon, I'd love to know, do you perform the straight obligations with your partner? I think he does. Yes, and there is evidence to that. I got four kids and a very beautiful wife, the most gorgeous, actually. And I have a crush on pretty ladies. Really? Really. Does your wife mind? Do you have a crush on pretty ladies? Apologetically, yes. Well, you wanted to call me Mrs. Do you have a crush on me? Am I a pretty lady to you?

20:27Oh, no. You can't be a missus. Can you ask Piers if he's gay? Because I've been wondering for a while. Yeah, please ask Piers Morgan. I need a queen. I need this to go viral. Can you please ask Piers Morgan the exact same question? Please ask Piers. You did, and I want it to go viral. Please be quiet. I'm directing right now. No one talk. Okay, go.

20:48Piers Morgan:Come on, Simon.

20:51Piers Morgan:Come on. Ask me the question. Tell me, Piers, why are you gay? Do you know what? I like to remain ambiguous about my sexuality because there's a lot of money in the pink pound, Simon. I really recommend you explore your sexuality in public.

21:12I find it quite inevitable that I have to identify as a man. While at the same time, of course, we are in this era where you've got

21:22Piers Morgan:to be tolerant, you've got to be social and interact with people of different orientation. It remains a very contentious issue, though. Well, it does in Uganda. It's not contentious in the UK and it's not contentious in the United States, actually. We don't really have a problem with being... Well, having grown up in a very conservative environment, we're still grappling with acceptance to the new norm, what you call the new norm. Out of interest, Simon, what would you do if one of your kids said they were gay?

22:01Piers Morgan:I would collapse. No, you would say, why are you gay, surely? Why are you gay? You say, why are you gay? Why are you gay? No, you made those. It's written. Who's looking gay? It's written over me. I think they will be cautious. I've got to say, I would love to be there. I would love to be there for that conversation. He would say, son, son, why are you gay? Oh, no. Simon, we've got to leave it there. It's been great having you on Uncensored, and I appreciate you entering to the Christmas spirit with our debate. Nice to meet you, Simon. Oh, fantastic, fantastic. If your children need any advice coming out, please do make call.

22:41Good to be with you and have a lovely time.

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23:24Piers Morgan:And here's the best part. Use the code peers and get 70 % off your first order. Get 70 % off with the code peers. James, I know you've got to leave us in a few minutes, so let me come to you with the next part of this, and you can answer first. The biggest winner of 2025 and the biggest loser. I mean, for me, I think the biggest loser is the Coldplay CEO. Yeah. The Coldplay cuddling. And also just Coldplay in general, because I think they felt incredibly awkward about that. I know Chris Martin felt terrible. And, I mean, you're meant to feel safe at a Coldplay concert, and that whole thing just blew up spectacularly.

24:03Yeah. And my biggest winner... Well, I guess Taylor Swift is a big winner. Yeah. I think also...

24:09Piers Morgan:Did you watch that clip of Taylor Swift giving all her crew the bonuses? It's just beautiful. I mean, she gave them literally... Very cool. And I don't even like her music, but she's awesome. She gave them$175 million worth of bonuses. So... Even the truck driver's got 50 grand each, right? It's really interesting, because, you know, you don't do that to your panellists, Piers. No. That would be lovely. Don't worry, I'm waiting for my check. Yeah, we're waiting for our big bag of cash. My bonus to you is I'll have you back on next year. What could be a greater gift? Who's your biggest... You said Meghan Markle's one of the biggest winners.

24:41I think Meghan Markle is going to run for president in 2026. Oh, God. So we're moving on from MAGA to mega. That's the plan.

24:48Piers Morgan:Oh, from MAGA to mega. The running man is going to be the guy who says, why are you gay? All right, well, listen, James, I appreciate you coming on. I know you've got to go, so thank you very much indeed. We'll let you go. No worries. Let me come to Nejroddy. Your biggest winners and losers of this year. Wow, I have given this no thought, But I will say the biggest loser in well, in my sphere anyway, is for Hollywood would be Hollywood. They had a horrible year. They had an October that was the worst box office for them in 30 years without adjusting for inflation. AI is coming. They're feeling all the consequences of the ill-timed and stupid strikes that they went on at the same time with the WGA and the Screen Actors Guild.

25:34and they're facing the consequences of also pissing off half the country for about five years straight consistently.

25:42Piers Morgan:Yeah, I agree. Who would your winner be of the year? Oh, man. Taylor Sheridan. He keeps cranking out hit after hit. Paramount somehow let him go. And he just made a huge deal. And I don't know what that does for the future of some of my favorite shows right now, including Landman. But he is the biggest winner by far. I think he's a genius, that guy. And I think the stuff he does just resonates so well. Whatever country gets it. Yeah, that's 100%. It's a lesson there for everyone. Don't sneer at half your audience. Why would you? Well, Ben, let me come to you. Your winners and losers of 2025. So my biggest loser is those poor fishermen off the coast of Venezuela.

26:26They're just trying to catch some fish with some cocaine and heroin and crack and fentanyl, and they're just getting blown up. So that's probably my biggest loser of the year is those poor fishermen down there that, you know, somehow look like they're just running.

26:39Piers Morgan:What if some of them actually are fishermen? They're not like they're not like I've been fishing a lot. You don't fish with cocaine and fentanyl like you don't need seven engines on the back of your boat to get to the fish. I know people that do exactly that. That's how they get to the long nights. Yeah. No, like this is you're going into conspiracy theory land. They're hitting narco terrorists. I'm so glad it's happening to them. And I'm glad that the drugs are getting blown up. 300 Americans, and it's just in America, die every day from overdoses coming from those boats. It's also going to Europe and it's killing people.

27:15We would never allow a plane crash a day to be acceptable by terrorism. Why are we allowing it with narco-terrorism in America alone?

27:22Piers Morgan:OK. And who's your big winner of the year? My big winner is liberal cities in America that have crime rates that are dropping to all-time lows in my lifetime. Washington, D.C., Memphis, Tennessee, New Orleans, Chicago. What they're seeing with law and order coming back to these cities because the president is truly saving lives. And I think that's actually the biggest winner, even though some of the people there don't even realize it yet. Out of interest, I'm going to come to, so I'll come back to you, Ben, because I want, Ernest, I think you've got a loser is actually a political figure. Who is it?

27:55My loser is J.D. Vance.

27:57Piers Morgan:See, that's interesting, because Polymarket have J.D. Vance as the lead contender to win the 2028 presidential election with 32%, followed by Gavin Newsom on 18%, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on 8%, and Donald Trump on 4%, because he keeps suggesting he may run again. I don't think he will. But on that point, Ben, before I come back to his winner, is J.D. Vance a shoo-in do you think to replace Trump on the Republican ticket or not? No I don't I don't think so I think I've said this for a while careful what you wish for when you get too close to the sun sometimes you get burned and J.D. Vance has got it he's going to have to to figure out how to become his own man his own candidate while also not making Donald Trump and and the base of Trump angry and and not being overshadowed but I think you're going to see a robust, wide-open Republican field.

28:54I do not believe it's going to be a coronation at all.

28:56Piers Morgan:Do you know who I think the most impressive operator is in that cabinet? I think it's Marco Rubio. He's a silent sleeper. There's no doubt about it. Yeah. Okay. Peter, you remember this when you said Rubio for a second? This is a guy that grabbed water and was, like, shaking. Remember that? Yeah. And the pause there like this. Talk about, like, the guy who just completely reinvented himself. They should do a Harvard study and teach the 2.0 Marco Rubio. He went from almost not even running for reelection as a senator to now look at what he's doing as secretary of state. It truly is a political case study and and how to reinvent yourself.

29:35And I got to give him credit and his team. They've done an amazing job.

29:38Piers Morgan:I agree. OK, who's your big winner then, Ernest? not that I personally agree with all the tactics but I would say the democratic socialists they got Mamdani in there um he is the mayor I mean I think him alone actually it's indisputable that he is one of the big political winners of the year and yes I would say that their coalition though because it's not even just him yeah it's getting to stretch on a conversation nationally based on the economic state we're in. Like, he's opened that door for a larger conversation and there's starting to be people in other cities across the country that are also picking that up.

30:16So I would say... He's been a little bit more.

30:18Piers Morgan:I think there's a real peril. I mean, apart from the fact he's a massive Arsenal fan, which I do like that about Mamdani, he's a genuine Arsenal fan. He knows all the players, all the history. I love that. But it's going to be, in a way, what he does in New York may end up being the referendum for the Democrats going into 2028. If he turns things around in New York and he turns out not to be the devil incarnate that he's been painted by the right, then that's going to be... The crime is going down in cities... Well, hang on, let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. I was just going to say, if he turns out to be successful, that could be a real green light for them to choose a progressive candidate.

30:54Piers Morgan:But conversely, if it all goes to hell in a handcart in New York under Mamdani, it could have the opposite effect. You know, I still think the Democrats have to find somebody... Obviously, he can't run because he's not an American citizen. But I think they've got to find somebody just a bit more to the center. They've got to find a new Clinton figure. I want to say this real quick. The crime across those cities were going down before Trump came in there. You certainly couldn't feel it. You couldn't feel it. New York is a hell's game. I'm sorry. And he is not going to be looking with that. And I say this as someone who's been to New York many times.

31:28It feels extremely unsafe as a woman. It's been going on in other cities. I'm sorry to say this, but you couldn't feel it. We need to stick with some facts because in Baltimore, crime is going down without that. In Philadelphia, crime is going down without that. The main platform that these democratic socialists or the main issue that they're campaigning on is the cost of living, which is basically going to be the do or die for the Republican Party at this point. Now, there are some indications that energy prices are going to come down drastically next year. We'll have to wait and see on that, especially with fuel prices and all of that.

32:00But basically, if Donald Trump and the Republicans don't get a handle on the cost of living and the cost of housing, which is the number one issue for Americans, they're toast.

32:08Piers Morgan:It is always the economy, stupid. Exactly. People can pretend to other things, but it is always the economy, and Trump's got a lot of work to do, particularly in the run-up to the midterms. He's got to get the economy back on track in the way that he promised. You can launch all the tariff wars and everything else. I saw the merit, the argument, understood what he was trying to do. But if the impact is on the average American when they go and buy their week's shopping in a negative way, they ain't going to buy it and they're not going to vote for it. So it'll be a very interesting year. OK, Esther, your winners and losers for the year.

32:38So my biggest loser was Rachel Zegler, who's...

32:42Piers Morgan:Really? I mean, her mouth is the opposite of the mind of touch. Yeah, but she was brilliant in Evita. I went to see the first night in London. She was absolutely fantastic. Comeback, comeback year. From Snow White to India, big comeback of the year. It's very rare for a single person to cost a studio hundreds of millions of dollars. I mean, that in and of itself is a record. But she is a talented... She's very talented. She is, but that's what makes her a loser, because she knows she's talented. She just can't be talented at wiring her door shut. I don't know. Did you see the Hunger Games movie she was in?

33:08Piers Morgan:She wasn't very good in that. No, she was great. I've got to say, Evita, she was fantastic. Who is your winner, Eskimo? The ghost of the world's most famous pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, who we could not escape this year. I mean, he de-princed a prince, which is, I think, some sort of new record. And, by the way, there is a long way to go with these leaks from the Epstein files. You know, you think it's already taken down Prince Andrew, his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson. They've been basically sponge from public life. It took down Lord Mandelson, the new UK ambassador to Washington. He had to go. And that's just some of the early leaks from his emails.

33:41Piers Morgan:We haven't seen the half of it. We haven't seen probably a tenth of it. There will be more. A lot of famous people sweating this Christmas, I can tell you. And so I totally agree. They should bloody sweat. And I want to know exactly who they are and what they did and all the lies they've told probably about their association with him. Really interesting, because to me, the Epstein thing comes down to this. Those who disowned him when he got convicted for being a paedophile, that's one thing. Those who carried on consorting with him and partying with him and doing visits with him, that's a very different thing.

34:14Piers Morgan:You can't claim plausible deniability if you knew he was a convicted paedophile. But we will see, we'll see. I mean, they're all... The deadline for these files is, I think, three days, isn't it? So we'll find out. Friday, yeah, Friday. So they may even... As we're talking, they may even be out. You've seen their vibrant ads illuminating billboards and train stations for many years. Now it's time you actually saw the show. Shen Yun is celebrating its 20th anniversary, a dazzling run which has seen iconic performances at iconic venues like the Kennedy Centre, the London Coliseum and the Sydney Opera House.

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35:29Piers Morgan:Let's go to the next question, which is Pope Lee. So we're going to bring a new guest in here. The Pope Leo XIV will soon deliver his first Christmas message as the first ever American Pope. Now, I couldn't get him to do this show, unfortunately, but I'm very pleased to say we have the second best, which is the Pope's brother, Louis Prevost. Welcome back to Uncensored. Lovely to see you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Glad to be back. Glad to talk to you again. What has it been like for you to be the Pope's brother this year, this momentous year for your family?

36:04To say it's been life-changing is putting it mildly. It's been a whole new experience, obviously, not just from things like this, where people are after us to talk to them and talk about the Pope or how we are as a family still. But just all around, everything from my own behavior as a Catholic, I've gone back to the church more so than I've always been Catholic, but not the best. But since he's been made Pope, it's awoken me, and I've come back to the church. Really? How interesting. The popularity. It's been quite a change, yes, yes. When you realize, maybe I haven't been the best, now my brother's there, and I see it's unfortunate, but it's a way of life.

37:00it's like when I'm here with you people see how I act that reflects on him as the Pope and the you know I don't want to certainly shine a bad light on him or have people continue to say I'm kind of like the black sheik of the family going on and I get a lot of heat I know some of your guests have been talking about it you you probably are aware you know I'm I'm pretty much a MAGA kind of guy And I get a lot of heat from all over the world for being that. I get letters in the mail saying I should change my ways. Oh, I'm a horrible person for supporting Trump, this and that. And, you know, your brother, the Pope, would be ashamed of you.

37:45You're going to burn in hell. That stuff never used to happen when he wasn't who he was. So now I have to take that into account. and, you know, not that I'm bad or evil or do horrible things, but it just hit me subconsciously that, you know, maybe I ought to change my ways, go back to church and start, you know, being more Catholic, being more observant, and then being, shall I say, less hostile to some people that I don't agree with. You know, I've toned down my tweets and my Facebook posts because they always catch fire. End up on the news saying the Pope's brother said. And the Pope hears it.

38:36And then I hear it from him and my other brother about, can you please not be so vocal about things or, you know, so negative. Every family's got one. You're the guy. It's okay. Yeah. He's that guy. I'm that guy. You've got good company here. Yeah, I can identify too. He wants to be more civil.

38:57Piers Morgan:But actually, on a serious... I think it's really honest of you to say that, Liz, but on a serious point, your brother is obviously the most powerful, important, influential Catholic in the world. He must be delighted that you've come back to the church so fulsomely. Yeah. I would imagine so. I mean, we haven't talked about that kind of thing. I know, I'm pretty sure he knew, you know, I wasn't the best Catholic. I left home before my other two brothers. They're a lot closer together than I am to them. Because I was off in the Navy. They were still, I think, in high school or just starting college.

39:41So I missed a lot of stuff with them growing up. You know, the thing they remember most is probably me beating up on them all the time. That means you're a good big brother. That drove them. That's right. That drove them to be closer together. So they talk pretty much every day. I get to talk to my brother, the Pope, about once a week. They include me in their conversations just to be, you know, civil and keep the family together as best as possible. Out of interest, Lewis, what do you, out of interest,

40:15Piers Morgan:you have this weekly conversation with your brother, but he's now the Pope. So what do you talk about, given the context of this extraordinary role he now has? And don't tell us the weather. Well, you'd be surprised. There's very little talk about politics or papal things, duties. He will tell me, like, before he made his trip to Turkey and Lebanon, the Middle East, he told us he was planning to do that. So we knew that ahead of time. before that came out. But most of the time, it's just literally family stuff. Like, how are you? How are you feeling? Is the job getting you down? Are you doing all right?

41:00Are you surviving? I mean, you know, that's a big step from what he was doing before as basically a missionary. He was a bishop in Peru for one of the dioceses, Chulacanis, I think, or Chaclaya. I'm not sure. I don't remember. And now all of a sudden he's the head of the whole church. He's got a lot of duties. The only time we get to, when we do talk, is late at night for him, 10, 30, 11 o 'clock at night, right before he goes to bed because he's done working.

41:35Piers Morgan:I've got to say, Lewis, I've got to say about your brother. I've never met him. I hope that changes. I'd love to meet him. I'd love to interview him. But I've been, as a Catholic myself, I've been so impressed by him as a Pope. I mean, to be the first American Pope brings with enormous pressures, right? Just never mind anything else. To be the head of the Catholic Church brings enormous pressures. He just has a serenity about him and a confidence and a sort of calmness and a wisdom and intelligence way beyond his experience of doing this job. And I've just found him really impressive. as the Pope, I have to say.

42:18It is. I kind of knew when he did get elected, to us, to me, knowing his background, where he'd been, the previous positions he's held in the Augustinian order and just in the church in general, even up through when Pope Francis elevated into Cardinal, that he had a background with people on all levels, all political sides, different countries around the world. He's been pretty much everywhere. I thought I was to a lot of places, but he's been all over the place. He just had the background for it. He has the personality for it. He's got the patience of a saint. He's got the ability to listen and to actually hear and understand what people are saying and then to talk back to them so that in a way that they can understand And it's just, again, something about him that we saw way back when he was a little kid.

43:22There was just something special about the way he talked, walked, interfaced with people. Just incredible from almost day one.

43:33Piers Morgan:Amazing. And you knew, you know, we didn't know, but when you have multiple people and your brothers in like third grade, second grade, third grade, and the nuns are saying, you're going to be pope one day. and people in the neighborhood, same thing, knowing his proclivity to be holy and play priest and whatnot. It was just written all over the place that he was something special and definitely had a calling. And this is where it ended, where it brought him to, and he dragged us with him, kicking and screaming. Sometimes we don't like the fact. I love the fact, Lewis, that he doesn't know yet that you've come back to the church so wholeheartedly.

44:22Piers Morgan:I think we'll have to send him this conversation because if you're the Pope and your own brother, your older brother, has come back to the church, I think that's a powerful thing. That's a big thing for a brother to hear. Lewis is, by the way, in a club, a very, very, very small club. Lewis, I just need you one day to change your profile description as I've whooped the Pope's ass. I just need that one day up there. Because not many people can say that they beat the Pope's ass. You did. You should just stick that in your LinkedIn profile for a day. Given we all have a request to me, I would like to say that I'm a fan of Arsenal Football Club in the UK, Lewis.

45:10Piers Morgan:And we're currently top of the Premier League and top of the European Champions League. And if you did, in your next conversation with your brother, have an opportunity to suggest there could be some kind of papal blessing to ensure we win one or both of those titles, I would be personally very grateful. Who else is in the competition? I don't want to put any other names in your head. Ah, OK, I hear you. Lewis, I want to aim by asking you... We don't want to tie. Lewis, I know you've taken time out to be here. I really appreciate it. It's lovely to talk to you. I feel like you're a friend of the show now.

45:48Piers Morgan:It's great to see you. Your brother will obviously give his first Christmas message and will wait eagerly to hear what he has to say. But I want to give you the chance to end our chat today by giving... Let's have an alternative Christmas message from you, the Pope's brother. What would you like to say to people at this Christmas? It's a very familiar story when it comes to debt. The banks win, you pay. Fees and phone calls pile up every month unless you fight back. PDS Debt has helped hundreds of thousands of people cut debt and put money back in their pockets. If you're struggling with credit cards, personal loans and medical bills, PDS offers custom options to help you get out of debt fast.

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47:03What would you like to see with the world in 2026, Lewis? Well, you know, obviously we all want to see all these wars all over the place and the nonsense in Gaza. And it just, again, you know, it's cliche to say whatever. World peace, right? We're striving for that. Trump is striving for that. But I also just with my newfound, I shouldn't say newfound, with my return to being a full-fledged Catholic, I got to say we need to remember what Christmas is all about, which I've kind of started to do this year. It's not all about me and what I'm going to get. It's what can I give to others. What can I give to the poor here in Florida, in Port Charlotte?

47:59What can I give to the church, to the homeless? It's just remember what Christmas is for. Keep the faith. Whether you're Christian or not Christian, the spirit of the season is to be loving and friendly and warm to people. So that's what I would say. Remember the spirit of Christmas. have a happy and joyous Christmas with friends and family, and at the same time, with the start of the new year, make the new year your best year yet.

48:36Piers Morgan:What a great message. That's about what I can say. Lewis, that's a wonderful message of hope and optimism... Thank you. ..and a reminder of what Christmas is actually about, and you're so right to say that. Please send my very best to your brother. You're the only person that can do that. And say that for Miss Catholic, across the pond in London, I think he's doing a great job. I'll just add one more thing with your comment about telling my brother about and letting him see this, that I've returned to the church. He's well aware. He's well aware that when we were there in October, I this is this is going to go out over public broadcast.

49:18But I asked him to hear my confession. Really? And I spilled all the beans to him about my past 50 years. Wow. So he is well aware. That kind of confirmed what he thought, I'm sure. And now he's aware that I'm back and wholeheartedly back.

49:39Piers Morgan:That's amazing. Well, when I went to school, you know, in Catholic school years ago, The thought was, if you've done this or that, a normal priest can't hear your confession. You have to go higher up the ladder. So when the stuff started sinking in, I thought, well, I'm not going to bother my parish priest. He's going to send me to the bishop. The bishop's going to send me to somebody else. Since my brother's now the head guy, I'm just going to go to the head guy. Get it all out there. Yeah. Maybe I have some family influence. I don't know, but I thought, I said, hey, would you hear my confession?

50:24And he said no. And I was dejected and heartbroken. But eventually we worked it out, and he did, and I'm back. Confession, people that don't go to confession don't know what it's all about. I can tell you, this is off the topic, but it was like a thousand pound weight lifted off me when I did that and got back in the good graces of the church. It was incredible. It had been obviously a really long time since I'd been to confession. But yeah, it was very spiritual, mind lifting, eye opening, and just brought me right back center square in the church. and I just feel a thousand percent better. I love that.

51:16Even with my health. That's cool.

51:18Piers Morgan:Lewis, I love that. And just, I mean, I don't want to pry, but you said you spilled the beans. How spicy were the beans? Mm-hmm. That's what I wanted to know. Well, I'm not going to do a confession on the... We're on the last time. We're on the last time. Let's just say... There may be a lake behind you right now, but he ain't fishing, my friends. Yeah, no, it's... If you can imagine it, everything short of murder and incest, I've probably been there, done that.

52:01Piers Morgan:I love this. I just love the idea of you doing confession with your brother, the Pope, and it's everything but murder. I just think that is... As someone who has two brothers, the idea of doing that or listening to one of them do it would be absolutely riveting. Lewis, what an amazing story. I'm so happy for you that you did that, that your brother facilitated that for you and you're back with the church. I think that's just a... That alone is an amazing message this Christmas. So thank you very much indeed for being so candid and for rejoining Uncensored. I appreciate it. You're welcome. Very happy to do it.

52:37Piers Morgan:Great to talk to you. All the very best. Let's come back to the panel. I mean, wow. That was amazing. I mean, Ben Ferguson, that's quite something, isn't it, to hear that? I think it's cool. I also think it's a really neat message for people that maybe have, you know, broken apart from their faith or even their family because of things of the past. I really genuinely love the message that you can overcome and there are second chances in life. I think all of us know people that have made mistakes. I've made mistakes. Everyone on this panel, I'm assuming, is not a crazy narcissist and knows they've made mistakes in life.

53:11And sometimes it takes years to repair those relationships or to come back to your faith. But I really hope that story, somebody watching right now sees it and says, maybe it's time for me to go back. Maybe it's time for me to go back to my family and make amends. And to know that they're talking every week and they're so different. They're clearly very different. That's what families are. Families are very different. My sister and I are extremely different. But we come together on a lot of cool things. And I just got to say, there's a lot of hope, and I hope it brings hope to a lot of people right now watching.

53:40Piers Morgan:Yeah, Nodroni, what did you make of that? I mean, it's not often you get the Pope's brother revealing something of that enormity for him and his family. I didn't think it was good timing, but I would have loved to have asked him to slip in on that weekly conversation, like, ask your brother what the Vatican knows about UFOs. That would be great. No, I love the confession aspect. I'm a grateful recovering addict, so we do our own form. Right. through the 12-step program and him talking about that weightlifting, I think lifting off your shoulders and doing some horrible things in the past, which I have done, I really can identify with that.

54:17I think it's a good thing, particularly with the Rob Reiner situation that we just saw and the importance of family. And I think it's great that there's a conversation. The good thing out of that tragedy is we're seeing a conversation about recognizing addiction, recognizing flaws in our family. And I see people directing people to Al-Anon, which they should definitely go if they have an addict in their family. That's been on my mind, obviously, the last week and the horrible tragedy of that. But sometimes it's not too late. There is a second chance. There was for me in my life. I was homeless.

54:55I went to prison, and I was able to pull myself out of it, and so many people can. So to hear them say that was brilliant. Yeah, and you know, Esther... I didn't know that's where you and Pierce met, by the way. Home Weston on the streets. That's pretty cool. Yeah, he had a bunch of birds.

55:11Piers Morgan:We actually met him present. So what? I wonder. But Esther, if you think about some of the warring families, like Harry and Meghan with the royal family, with the Beckhams with one of the kids, now gone rogue with his American wife and so on, there's a lot of it out there. And then when you talk to families, I mean, I'm always... I have a massive family and we always have a big Christmas and we all get round and we all get on pretty brilliantly, actually. But the number of people I know who have a lot of issues with their families is huge. Either they have really small Christmases because they don't really want to see them or it's always fiery or they've fallen out with them or there's feuds going on for decades.

55:50Piers Morgan:Suddenly when you talk about it, you realise how prevalent that is. So to hear Lewis there, you know, the older brother of the Pope, that moment, would you hear my confession, and then spilling out 50 years of stuff that he'd obviously felt bad about to his brother, who's now the head of the Catholic Church. That's quite an amazing thing to hear, actually. I think it just shows, despite all the differences, he holds his brother in quite high estimation. Because I think most people would not do a confessional in the first place, and certainly not to a family member, learning 50 years' worth of sin, which I'm sure adds up to quite a lot to him.

56:25So, you know, relationships always have their strifes, but I think there's always that one person in the family that aims to bring people together. And it looks like in this case, it's his brother, who really kind of put his ego aside and any things that he might personally be feeling, especially from an older brother who admitted he beat him up as a kid, to let him unburden himself.

56:42Piers Morgan:Yeah, Ernest, let's end with you. What did you make of that? It was an amazing interview, wasn't it? Yes, I have a lot of questions. Your face, first of all! I just couldn't... OK, so, several things. I mean, for one, I'm just curious what were those sins, but he'll never confess that to us. I'm just like, it seemed like he had a lot going on, but I'm not going to judge. But I think for me, it's just, I wonder how the church is going to shape his own politic, you know, because it's really hard. Like he's talking about love and peace, but then saying that that's the same agenda of a man who isn't as peaceful.

57:20And so I find that to be interesting.

57:23Piers Morgan:Have you got MAGA members of your family, Ernest? I doubt it. Oh, absolutely not. No, no. And if you deep-tour, I can't predict that. Every single member of your family is left-wing. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me answer this. You asked me a question. They're not mega. I have some folks that are conservative. Right. But they're not mega, though, right? And so... What would you do if they were? What would you do if they said, I'm mega? Listen, you know, we will learn how to deal with those problems internally. What would you do if you had a woke member of your family like myself that you're claiming I'm woke?

57:57What would you do? I have. Do you know what?

57:59Piers Morgan:I've got members of my family who are very woke. I think we've got this. I've got very woke members of my family and I have very right-wing members of my family. Well, we all got those soups. When we all come together, we have a great old tear-up and nobody really cares. It's like, it's fine. Right. So let me say this. They're not MAGA. That's a whole other extreme. And I think... I've got some relatives who are... who would make MAGA look like a bunch of choir boys. Trust me. Right. So I would say we have people who have different spectrums, right? And if anyone knows the community, there's spectrums, right?

58:32You got the pragmatic progressives. You got the moderates. You got those who are conservative, but they're like pre-Trump. So they're like Bush-adjacent, Connelly's or Rice-adjacent type of conservatives, but not mega, though. At this point, the plot is... They could just be lying to you, by the way. They could just be lying to you. Yeah. Also, it's interesting you pointed out the ones

58:55Piers Morgan:who dragged the world into an illegal war in Iraq, for example, but you have a problem with the MAGA lot who don't believe in foreign wars. The Conservative lot, even if they're not MAGA, probably did vote for Donald Trump because the option with Kamala Harris didn't seem appealing either. So I don't know if that's much better. They may not be MAGA, but they voted for Trump. One day, Ernest, we'll have Christmas together, all of us. We'll have a little uncensored Christmas party. What a great panel. Thank you all very much. I wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a very happy and prosperous 2026.

59:23Piers Morgan:And look forward to you all being back on Uncensored in the new year. Thank you very much. Merry Christmas. This week we learned of the shocking deaths of Hollywood director Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle. Their son Nick has been charged with two counts of first-degree murder and could face a death penalty if found guilty. Joining me now is actor and comedian Harry Shearer, who was a long-time friend and collaborator with Rob Reiner. Harry, thank you so much for joining me. I'm so sorry for your loss. I knew Rob a bit. I interviewed him actually three months ago. He had a wonderful interview.

59:53Piers Morgan:I thought he was a great man, an amazing filmmaker, and it was a terrible shock to me. So I can't even imagine how close friends of his like you must be feeling, and we'll get to that. For the audience who may not be aware, you played the bass guitarist Derek Smalls in This Is Spinal Tap, and you co-wrote that with Rob. And you also, Miss Simpson, is providing voices for characters including Mr Burns, Smithers, Ned Flanders, Reverend Lovejoy and principal skinner. So obviously a lot of people do know you, but that's to put in context in particular your relationship professionally with Rob. First of all, can I just ask you, where were you when you heard what had happened?

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1:01:20And the early versions struck my wife, Judith, and I as if it had possibly been a break-in, a burglary, which seemed unlikely in that neighborhood. But we then, you know, followed the story as it developed overnight, and it just got more horrifying by the moment.

1:01:42Piers Morgan:When you realised that it was almost certainly their very troubled son, Nick, who'd spoken very publicly about all the problems, as indeed his parents had, what did you feel about that? They'd obviously had a very, very long number of years of problems with this son of theirs, and it seems to have ended in the most appalling manner imaginable. Yeah, it's strange because I knew Rob. Originally, I was involved with another member of his family, and so I was over at the house for several occasions, many occasions where his late father, Carl, and Mel Brooks, two members of comedy royalty, were there.

1:02:28I saw the environment in which Rob grew up. But despite that, and I knew Michelle, of course, I was not privy to any of the stuff about Nick. So it came. I knew Romy a little bit, and I had not met Jake. But the stuff about Nick just came as a horrible surprise. Rob had kept it fairly much private. and, you know, my collaborations with him were more on a comedy level than on a family discussion level.

1:03:09Piers Morgan:As an actor, a director, a producer, we did everything, Rob Reiner. He was really one of the great Hollywood figures, which, you know, given he was the son of a great Hollywood figure, was extraordinary, because that often isn't the case, but he certainly proved to be the exception to that normal rule. How good was he? I mean, he had a run of movies which almost defied belief because not only were they all classics, one after another, but they were all different genres. It was like he could do everything. Mm-hm. You know, he was a great storyteller. He was a great collaborator. I think he brought a general sense of storytelling to whatever genre he was working in at the time.

1:04:02That was one of his chief roles with Spinal Tap and with the sequel, Spinal Tap 2, was, you know, we would sit in a room, Christopher Guest and Michael McKeon and I, the two other members of the collective, and bat around ideas and try to make each other laugh. And Rob would write down the ones that clicked on 3x5 cards and put them up on a board in the room we were in. And it was his job to take these funny ideas and to shape them into a movie. And so storytelling was his art, even in that situation, where there was no script, we were improvising these movies. based on these ideas that were on 3x5 cards that Rob wrote down.

1:04:50So, you know, I saw very quickly that that was one of his, aside from comedy and the fact that he was funny, one of his great gifts was storytelling and the ability to shape a story.

1:05:04Piers Morgan:What was your favourite of all his movies? Oh, come on, I have to say this is Spinal Tap. It was his, you know, I mean, And the sad irony is that I was involved with his first movie and with his last. But This Is Spinal Tap opened so many doors for so many people, including Rob. That was his first movie. And it opened the door to all the ones that followed. And it also spawned this series of things. I mean, The Office sort of was inspired by the improvisational nature of Spinal Tap. and so much American TV comedy, at least, has been done in mockumentary style since that movie. Although the difference is those, including The Office, are scripted and This Is Biotap really was improvised.

1:05:57Piers Morgan:It's a fantastic film. I mean, he, when I asked him, because actually Robert Redford had died just before I interviewed Rob back in September, and I'd said that Redford had told me years before when I interviewed him for CNN, that his favourite of all his films was Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid, but he hated the song Raindrops Keep Falling On Your Head. And he used to eat away at him having listened to this song. And we were laughing about it. And I said, you know, rather poignantly now, and ironically, I guess, but I said to him, you know, if it was you that suddenly left us wrong, which I hope doesn't happen anytime soon, I said, but how would you like to be remembered of all your work?

1:06:34Piers Morgan:And he said, actually, Stand By Me was the one that he would like to be remembered by. and I said When Harry Met Sally because I said it's like almost a perfect film, I felt. And he told me a lovely story, which was that he has so many people come up to him who would say the time When Harry Met Sally on New Year's Eve, they start watching it at about 10.30. So they hit the New Year's Eve scene in the movie exactly at the right moment. Yeah, exactly at the start of the new year. And he loved that. And then there was a lovely twist to it, which I hadn't seen before, where there was an interview he gave quite recently, I think, where he said that originally it was going to end unhappily when Harry met Sally.

1:07:15Piers Morgan:They were going to end up not together because he was single at the time and feeling a bit bitter and twisted about his single life. And then actually he met somebody, fell in love. It was his wife, Michelle. And as a result of his change in mood about this, he ended it happily. He's the ending of him. Yeah, which I love that story because that turned out to be the love of his life. Yeah. Rob had been single for about 10 years at that point. I had known him at the time of his first marriage. And, yeah, it's an amazing, amazing story come true. I want to end with a sort of disagreeable part of the whole outpouring of tributes to Rob, which had been extraordinary from around the world.

1:08:00Piers Morgan:But one outlier was President Trump, who published this, in my view, very offensive post on his Truth Social platform. A screed, if you will. Yeah, and it was just, you know, obviously, look, I knew that Rob Reiner had said a lot of bad things about Donald Trump. There was no great trade secret. But it just struck me that for the President of the United States to, from his office, to lay into him in the way that he did, within 24 hours of Rob being murdered by his own son in a terrible family tragedy. It seemed very crass to me. What was your reaction to that? My reaction was it was not beneath the dignity of the American presidency.

1:08:45It was beneath the dignity of a local dog catcher. And yet, you know, I thought this is who this man is, takes every development in the world around him or that he's privy to and turns it into something about himself. And the extreme narcissism of that moment seemed to me very, very fitting with whatever else I understand about the man.

1:09:18Piers Morgan:And the irony is a clip from my interview with Rob that went viral as a result of what Trump did was when I asked him about the murder of Charlie Kirk, and he said, look, I didn't agree with him politically. But violence is never... And he was very like, violence is never... You can never accept it, particularly political violence. And he condemned it unreservedly, which was just... And there was a contrast in reactions to two brutal murders. And he expressed support for Erica's decision publicly to forgive the murderer. it's a jarring and amazing contrast to what happened out of the typewriter of the President of the United States.

1:10:02Piers Morgan:Yeah, I think it was a great shame. I wish he'd delete it. Harry Shearer, what a pleasure to talk to you. I wish it was under happier circumstances, but thank you for paying tribute to your great friend. Thank you, Piers. Piers Morgan, our sense that is proudly independent, the only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, We ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate, and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical, and we couldn't do it without you.

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