“Will End In DISASTER!” Will Trump Strike Iran? With Mohammad Marandi & Mike Huckabee

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23:45Piers Morgan:And I was like, the thing about Donald Trump is there's always another week and another week and another week. So there's never a good week to have off in Trump land. There's an awful lot going on. You know, it's funny. I was talking to someone the other day. If you take away Trump's rhetoric, which can often be very inflammatory, and you focus on what I think is his vision here, a lot of what he's doing, whether it's Greenland, whether it's Venezuela, whether it's Iran, I can understand the argument. You know, I may not like the way he expresses himself with some of this. I understand the argument.

24:20Piers Morgan:What do you think is the overview here for Donald Trump? Well, I think this is a case of opportunism, right? Look, I was just in the region. I was in Abu Dhabi about a month ago, which obviously is a home to quite a quite a large Iranian diaspora. And this is before these protests got the attention. And I came away from there in my discussions and meetings with various Iranian journalists and experts. The optimism that the regime is going to fall was high then. And I had another colleague who's been, who went in country over the last six months. And look, there's not drinking water in Tehran, right?

25:02Like this, what you're seeing, the level of desperation with the people, I think is at a level that we haven't been able to fully understand as, frankly, as outsiders, because of the media repression and how little we actually are seeing what's happening in country. But when you talk to Iranians that have either been in country or are communicating, you know, you do get this sense. So this is coming. And I think this is a question, what does Donald Trump want to do? This is a bit of opportunism. I don't think he wants to get involved. I think pre-protests, he was probably willing to negotiate with the regime in some form or another.

25:42Now I think he sees where the wind is blowing. And again, if you talk to enough folks in the Iranian diaspora, you can feel that optimism that this regime's days are numbered, but we got to remember, just like Assad in Syria, we knew his days were numbered, but are they hundreds of days? All right. Or was it going to be, you know, 10 or 20 days? And it's possible this is still, this regime will fall, but it may not fall until this time next year at this point, but it is going to be sooner. So the question really is, is what role? And I think, boy, could the United States use an agency right now called USAID?

26:22Because in some ways, the theory of the case behind AID is to be there to help those that are either looking for freedom and democracy or are trying to build a fledgling democracy. And that is the best toolkit we have. And unfortunately, it's not in the president's toolkit right now, thanks to Doge.

26:45Piers Morgan:OK, Rob O 'Neill, a lot of the time it's worth taking a look at the amount of money being leveraged in the prediction markets, where the money's going. Looks like somebody thinks they know something, because Polymarket has a$19 million market right now on whether the Ayatollah will be deposed, and they're now saying there's a 24 % chance, so pretty much a one-in-four chance that the Ayatollah goes here. From a military perspective, given the scale of these protests, which might well be unprecedented, we can't be entirely sure because the internet's been shut down and footage is scarce, but if it is unprecedented, do you think we're beginning to see the beginning of the end here of this regime?

27:33Thanks for having me and Happy New Year to everyone. I'm optimistic about it this time. We've seen it before. Excuse me. And like Chuck Todd said, it's kind of up to the media how much they're going to report on it, because we only know what we're told from over there. At least, you know, like the first guest, I don't speak Persian or Iranian or Farsi or Urdu, so I'm going to say it in English so I don't even confuse myself. But in the past, when they see the Iranians rising up, when they get to that point, for some reason, our media blocks that out. And then it seems to me, because I'm not there, and if I'm not there, I can only, you know, go by what I hear or read.

28:09Then they crack down hard. They kill people. Then it goes back to business as usual. This time, what the Iranians have seen is that we bombed a mountain. We hit them pretty hard. So hopefully, regardless of the media blackout or what our media chooses to say, the Iranian people know that we will support them. The biggest problem that we had, well, one of the major problems that we had in Iraq, the biggest problem being we went into Iraq, was we immediately disbanded the Ba 'ath Party. And although they looked bad because they were doing what Saddam Hussein wanted, they're doing that because they want to keep their heads on their own shoulders.

28:39They're going to do what they need to do to survive and keep their family alive. We got rid of them and then foreign fighters came in and obviously we know the civil war started. It was chaos for a long, long time. Right now, what's happening there, if the Iranians know that we're going to help, but then our media backs out and they're not sure about us, who knows what they're going to do. But I do know that foreign fighters are now going into Iran to try to help, be that the Mahdi army, who the Shias, or is it Hezbollah, even Hamas. I mean, they were funding, getting funding through the iranians but i believe they're sunni and i'm not sure what's going to happen there but i i think the bottom line of this is me just trying to be an honest broker i think we should do as uh as allies uh everything we can to support the iranian people and help them get what they want this this is not uh rob o 'neill from the united states is it's not my decision but i would love to help the iranian people because i think everyone would agree they've been they've been beaten down in the press for almost as long as I've been alive.

29:36Can I quickly add something here, just a piece of reporting that I got while overseas, is that there's some thought that the current president, okay, and I may mess up his name, Pesheshkian, is he's turned out to be at least rhetorically more moderate than some expected. And I had a source who's had somebody close to him indicating stating he thinks he can be the Iranian Gorbachev. Meaning, and that's a real, and so if you actually ask strategically, what could the United States do? Can it start to find people that are within the regime who want to help get rid of the regime, right? And look, and who's to say that this even worked out as that well, but you do in some cases, without Gorbachev, does the Soviet UNION FALL AS CLEANLY AS IT FELL, RIGHT?

30:30AND I THINK SO WHEN YOU'RE ASKING LIKE HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THE NEXT DAY, I THINK FINDING, YOU KNOW, OUT WHETHER INDEED THE IRANIAN PRESIDENT WANTS TO PLAY A ROLE HERE OR NOT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING OUR INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IN THEORY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP WITH.

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31:44Piers Morgan:Welcome back to Uncensored, Muhammad Mirandi. I appreciate you coming on. What is your assessment of what is happening on the ground in Iran? Well, first of all, when you say a supporter of the regime, you're framing it in a certain way. I assume you are a supporter of the British or the American regime. But it's obvious what happened. We had currency manipulation last week. The currency fell 30, 40 percent. It was carried out by the United States, forcing neighboring countries not to cooperate with Iranians over the currency. Then we had peaceful protests among business people. And there were a few thousand people in two, three different cities.

32:26There was no violence. There were no arrests. Nothing happened. Then the next day, we had another, more protests, roughly the same size, I guess. I don't remember exactly. Then we had infiltration, and we had violent rioters. And that was the beginning of extreme violence, which peaked on Thursday night. And we know that Pompeo, the former head of the CIA, said that Mossad is on the ground with the rioters. We have Mossad in a Persian statement. They said that they are on the ground. And the most interesting thing of all is that late on Thursday night, during the height of the riots, and roughly 100 officers of the law were murdered.

33:12A couple of them burnt alive, beheaded, head smashed. We had a nurse who was burned alive in a clinic. The clinic was burnt down. We had many buses, ambulances, and fire engines destroyed, tens of each. I'm not sure about ambulances, but I know tens of fire engines and public buses and private property. But the point is that late on Thursday night or early in the morning, they cut off the Internet and suddenly everything died down. The reason? Because all these groups, these small groups, violent groups that were spread out in different cities and different parts of big cities, they could no longer communicate with their bosses abroad.

34:01So it was really spontaneous. The riots would have continued. But now we've had four days of quiet. And yesterday, we had massive anti-riot protests across the country. And I asked your producer to show footage of the protests in Tehran against the rioters. And this is from the middle of the footage. This is Engelab Square. It goes from Imam Hussain Square to Azadi Square, from Engelab Square south to Imam Khomeini Square. That is millions of people. That is huge. Anyone can look on the map or use DeepSeek or some other AI app and check what sort of distance this is. This is a helicopter. But just a few hours ago...

34:54Piers Morgan:Just to stop you there, Professor Vermeer, just to be clear, that's footage you've supplied. We've been unable to independently verify it. So it is what it is. Clearly, there are people, it seems from all the independent reports I've read, who are... OK, so Goldie, for example, one of our panellists, is saying that footage is from 2020. So we don't know what you're showing us there. You accept that? No, that's a dishonest take. That footage is very clear. This misinformation is being produced by the West. And the reporter who was on that helicopter, whose face is there, he came on television, showed the footage.

35:40I was at the protest. There were millions of people. What you are trying to do, just like you did during the Israeli regime's attack on Iran, is you are trying to help war. Because when the Israeli regime carried out that blitzkriek attack, as we were negotiating with them, you invited me and started bad-mouthing Iran. Why? Because you and many others like you... I didn't bad-mouth Iran.

36:04Piers Morgan:Sorry, just to be clear. Oh, yes, you did. Just to be clear. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on. Professor, professor, professor, just to be clear, I never bad-moused Iran. I bad-moused the Iranian regime, which I think is one of the most malevolent regimes in the world. That's not bad-mouthing the country of Iran or the Iranian people. Now, I want to bring in Goldie Gamari because she wants to directly challenge... No, you said it's a one-on-one. She wants to directly challenge what you have said. No, you said it's a one-on-one. Yes, that's fine. You said it's a one-on-one. That's fine. Your producer...

36:37Piers Morgan:But you've accused her... You do not allow me to continue. Your producer said... Your producer said it's a one-on-one between you and me. Yes. Hang on, hang on, Goldie. Hang on, Goldie. Hang on, please. Don't all talk at once. Professor Morandi, Professor Morandi, Professor Morandi, Goldie, please let me handle this. Professor Morandi, here's why I brought Goldie back into the conversation with you. No, so you're being dishonest. Because she has said, she says to us, have you watched that footage? It is actually not what you have said it is. Goldie, tell the professor what you believe that footage is.

37:17That footage is from Ghassan Soleimani's funeral in 2020. That is not footage from today. That is 100 % propaganda. The Islamic regime, they are liars. They are murderers. They are thieves. I don't even know how he has access to the internet right now. The internet is shut off. The internet is shut off. Where is he communicating from? Okay, now, I just want to remind you, I just want to remind you that your producer said this is a one-on-one. And like on previous occasions, you do not abide by what you say you'll do. Well, you made a statement and gave us footage, which one of our panellists has directly challenged.

37:57But just to respond, in the General Ghassam Soleimani's funeral, the bodies were on trucks, and there are no trucks in this crowd. And the crowd goes from Imam Hussain Square, which is to the top, towards the top. The crowd here goes all the way to Imam Hussain Square. The bodies never went there. The bodies began the funeral procession, began at the University of Tehran. So the path of the General Soleimani funeral and his companions was not towards Imam Hussain. And here, where are the trucks? Where is the funeral procession? Because it was not just him. There were a number of people who were murdered.

38:48Don't pretend. No one can pretend that the rallies yesterday, which took place across Iran, in Mashhad, in Tabriz, in Maran, in Esqan. The footage rally, all been debunked. This woman... Pierce, if you... Next, I won't come again on your show because every time you're dishonest... You won't be able to come again on the show because when Iran is free, we're going to get you.

39:15Piers Morgan:No, no, to be fair, to be fair, to be fair, let me explain, let me explain. You have the blood of the regime. Let me explain. Goldie, I will come back to Goldie and the panel in a moment. I'll go back to one-on-one. I will go back to one-on-one. Professor, I will go back to one-on-one with you now. She wanted to directly challenge that footage. She's done so, and you have responded. That is perfectly legitimate journalism from where I'm sitting. No, that's not acceptable, Pierce. In any case, just hours ago, the BBC was showing the footage of the protests across Iran against the rioters yesterday and talking about an uprising, implying dishonestly that these people on the streets who are protesting against the rioters are in fact supporters of the rioters.

40:09This is how it works in the West. Well, the best way, the best way,

40:14Piers Morgan:Professor, the best way, Professor, Professor, the best way to talk about, Professor, just one moment. The best way to clear this up is to allow journalists to do their job freely in Iran, turn the internet back on, let everybody work out for themselves what is really happening. But when a regime shuts off the internet, what it's really doing is not trying to stop communication between protesters. It's trying to stop the truth about what it is doing in response being communicated to the world. And what it's doing is murdering thousands of Iranians who are protesting. They've admitted killing 2 ,000.

40:52Piers Morgan:Reports are that maybe as many as 12 ,000 or more. We're seeing footage here of body bags everywhere. And that is why the regime is turning off the internet. It's not out of some great altruistic, well, we just, you know, don't want these people communicating. It's so that we can kill them and the rest of the world can't see what we're doing. No, Pierce, that is an utterly dishonest take. The numbers are fabricated. You, no one has, the government has not given any numbers. And as I said, I'm talking, Pierce. You don't want me to talk. You said you're just wrong. You are just like those journalists who are talking about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the incubators.

41:38Piers Morgan:Well, I led the campaign against that, as you may remember. Well, you've flipped. I haven't flipped to anything. I try and deal in facts. No, Piers, we had rioters who burned people alive, who cut people's heads off, and the evidence is there. And what has your regime done to the protesters? The protesters? Piers, the millions of people that came to the streets yesterday, why did they come to the streets? It's because your narrative is nonsense. Well, how many protesters have been killed? Your narrative... How many protesters have been killed? I don't know the numbers. You don't know? I do know that roughly 100 officers of the law have been murdered.

42:24So you know how many people you believe have been killed on the regime side,

42:28Piers Morgan:but you have no idea how many people the regime's killed? You don't want me to talk because you're afraid. Because you're afraid that I'm going to wreck your narrative. That's cowardly, Pierce. I think what you're afraid of, you're afraid of this uprising this time being the one that actually topples the regime that you prop up. You want to help, just like you were preparing as the Israeli regime carried out its blitzkrieg attack on Iran when Iran was negotiating. You were saying all sorts of nonsense about Iran to demonize the country, to justify the aggression and the slaughter. So you have blood on your hands.

43:08And this is what you're doing now today for Trump. The protesters on the streets across the country yesterday They said a big no to you and your fake narratives. But people like you will just go out and say, this is fake. There was no demonstration. Whereas there were reporters in Iran. Al Jazeera was there. Many other people were there. You had Iranians across the board there. It was shown live on television, Pierce. It was shown on Iranian channels live. You can go, your producers can go back and look at the footage online as it was being shown. You cannot pretend that millions of people were not on the streets in Tehran.

43:50You cannot pretend that simultaneously millions of people were not on the streets throughout the country. It's a fact. It was on, it was shown live.

43:58Piers Morgan:I'm not sure, Professor, all due respect, I'm not sure that you and Fax are easy bedfellows, but I appreciate you. That's your problem, Piers. Not really. Actually, it may be a problem for you. You're the one who denied the genocide in Gaza for a year and a half, and you tried to justify the actions of the Israeli regime for a year and a half. And let me be very clear that if the United States, if Trump carries out an attack on Iran, the Iranian retaliation will be massive. And people like you... Like it was after the strike last summer, you mean? People like you... You said this last time. Thank you.

45:09Piers Morgan:You said this last time. But this is the trouble. You're full of crap, aren't you? Because you said this last time. Do you remember? It was all going to happen last time. Last time, Steve Bannon, the day after the war ended, on his show, said that the reality was that during the last three, four days of the war, the Israeli regime was in serious trouble and they were begging for a ceasefire. But what happened to the retaliation that you said would happen? And Trump, because the Israeli regime was begging for a ceasefire... What happened to your retaliation? Did you see Tel Aviv? Did you see how we hammered Tel Aviv?

45:49Please, please. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. OK. You come on here all the time and you say, it's going to be... Retaliation's going to be horrific.

45:57Piers Morgan:It's going to be this, it's going to be that. And it doesn't happen. Iran doesn't have the capability to respond in the way that you talk. It's all bluff. It's all bluster. And what it seems to me, Professor, now, is the people of Iran have had enough of this bullshit, and they're rising up. And as the German Chancellor says, I believe this is the beginning of the end of that regime. And puppets like you that have helped prop it up are going to look very stupid when that day comes. But I appreciate you joining me. History will remember your lies, Piers. I'll go back to the panel. Piers, history will remember your lies.

46:30Piers Morgan:Yeah, OK. I'm sure they'll remember someone's lies, and it won't be me. But thank you. History will remember your lies. Always a pleasure to talk to you, Professor Miranda. Let's go back to the panel. Robert Neal, your reaction to that? I had a hard time listening to it, I'll be honest, Pierce. I had to mute that guy. I can always tell when I'm listening to someone who... Two things. He speaks in front of people who were forced to listen to him, and he's obviously never been punched in the face. I was here listening. I wanted to tear my own arm off so I had something to throw at the screen. I mean, I'm not sure what kind of ratings that guy's going to get you.

47:02I'm serious. I don't know what he was talking about. He's a mouthpiece. He looks like the butcher of Baghdad. I wasn't listening. Can we talk about, you got another question?

47:09Piers Morgan:Well, I think the interesting thing to me is that he, after the airstrikes in the mountain last summer, he came on and was full of the same bluster about the retaliation is going to be horrific and America will wish it had never done this. Israel will wish it had never done it. And it turned out that they chucked a few fireworks at Tel Aviv and that was it. In other words, I don't think Iran has anything like the military capability. He and other puppets of that regime like to pretend they do no they absolutely do not and but again as a as a guy who thinks that we should not have invaded iraq and i i was excited about it but i think we shouldn't have i you know i could see getting excited about it again as a young navy seal but that's not the case now we definitely don't want boots on the ground right this again has to come back to the iranian people but unfortunately like your last guess all we're getting is people screaming at each other yeah if you're a regime that's turning off the internet it's kind of a telltale sign of what's actually going on.

48:04Yeah, and they're not doing that.

48:05Piers Morgan:As I said to him, they're not turning off the internet because they want to stop the protesters communicating. They're doing it to stop the world watching how they are treating the protesters. Yeah. So look, the idea that a regime are good guys is absurd. So there's been Iranian propaganda here. There's been Israeli propaganda. But what I care about is the American people. And the propaganda I'm sick of is pro-war propaganda. So we've seen this movie before and you guys are falling for it like suckers again. All this bullshit about how the Iranian people would like to be bombed and how they would love for America to conduct Israel's war for it.

48:48And we should do a regime change and it'll be easy. We'll be greeted as liberators. It'll be cheap. We won't have to put troops on the ground. Bullshit. You can't run a country from afar. At some point you're going to have to put troops on the ground. You know what's going to happen? They're going to get harmed. And when they get harmed, then they're going to come back on TV and say, I can't believe the Iranians did this. I can't believe the Venezuelans did this. We're going to have to hit them more. And then they're going to put in more ground troops. It never, ever works. So if you believe, Piers and everyone else, that these riots, these protests are legitimate and have nearly toppled the regime, that's wonderful.

49:22I don't like this regime. Let them keep going. But the minute you bomb them, first of all, they're going to lose all credibility on the ground, the protesters are. The regime is going to love that action. They're going to use that to rally the Iranian people to their side. It is going to be deeply counterproductive. And then if it is somehow successful in toppling the Ayatollah, I guarantee you Israel and America are going to insist that Iran be run by a different dictator. They can call him Shah. They can call him King. It doesn't matter. That brother's a dictator. And we tried it before with literally with a different shot with his dad.

50:01And when we tried that, it was so bad, it was so oppressive that it led to an Islamic revolution, which we've had to deal with this whole time. Every time we interfere with Iran, it creates massive blowback, and then the American people have to pay the price in blood and treasure. I've already seen this disastrous movie in Iraq. I do not want to repeat it, and I'm seeing the same exact bullshit propaganda and supporting this war of regime change, and yes, it's obviously on behalf of Israel. Who are we kidding? Look at the Israelis frothing at the mouth. We've seen them for 20 years go, you have to invade Iran on our behalf.

50:42You have to invade Iran on our behalf. Okay, well, why doesn't Israel do it? And by the way, look at all this bullshit about how, oh, the Iranians are, the regime is bad guys. Of course they are. But so was Saddam. That didn't mean we should go into Iraq. So Kim Jong-un is a terrible leader, abuses his people so badly in North Korea. How come there's no propaganda against him? Because Israel doesn't have North Korea within greater Israel. So since it's not related to Israel, there's no talk of the terrible leader of North Korea. How about you guys worried about state sponsored terrorism? Israel is a terrorist state.

51:17So they killed 2 ,000 in Iran, these protesters, and I hate that the regime did that. Israel killed 70 ,000 Palestinians. They occupy 5.5 million of them, and they say they're never going to free them. So why are we helping a terrorist state start another disastrous war in Iraq that we're going to have, in Iran in this case, that we're going to have to pay for? And if people don't know this, Iran is four times the size of Iraq. They're walking you into another disaster, and I guarantee it, and it'll be for Israel again, and then they'll pretend that it wasn't, and they'll call everyone an anti-Semite.

51:52America, listen to me. This isn't our war. I hope the protesters win, but do not let these people sucker you into another multi-trillion dollar war on behalf of Israel.

52:03Piers Morgan:OK, Chuck Todd, your response. Well, I actually don't think that I mean, I sort of, you know, sometimes we all debate the extreme potential ideas when I don't think that's what's happening here. I think, look, as much as I am concerned that President Trump is kind of the YOLO virus, meaning he's more likely to do things that might not, that are politically unpopular because he wants to do it. He wants to legacy build or whatever it is, whether it's Venezuela, whether it's overthrowing the Cuban regime, Greenland, et cetera. Look, I think any sort of military assistance here is more likely to backfire than not, right?

52:46That is what history has taught us. At the same time, finding a way to support these protesters is something that we should be leaning into. We're the United States of America. When people want freedom and democracy, if we're not standing by them, who is, right? That doesn't mean you do it with tanks. It doesn't mean you do it with bombs. And by the way, it's not just Israel that wants this Iranian regime gone. You know who the number one supplier of drones is to the Russians to kill innocent Ukrainians? It's Iran. You know who else would like to see Iran gone? Pretty much the entire Gulf Peninsula, that regime gone.

53:23So this, in fairness, this is not about Israel. So what? Not everything is about Israel when it comes to the Middle East. You know, there's certainly, you know, protecting Israel has been a priority of this country for a long time. I understand that. But in this case, this is about the Iranian regime. I'm not going to die. But the Iranian regime here has been a bad actor to a lot of people, not just the state of Israel.

53:50Piers Morgan:Yeah. Goldie, let me bring you in here. You were born in Iran. Do you feel this is different to previous uprisings? Yes, absolutely. This is different. This time around, the stars have aligned, Pierce. So this isn't the first time that we have tried to overthrow the Islamic dictatorship. We've been trying for the last 47 years, in fact. But this time, we have a leader. We have His Royal Highness, King Rizal Pahlavi, who has heeded the call of the Iranian people. He is going to be stepping in as a transitional leader. He's going to be taking our country from a brutal Islamic dictatorship into a functioning secular democracy Now what type of democracy that's going to be?

54:35That's going to be based on a national referendum that the Iranian people will vote for So whether they want a constitutional monarchy or whether they want a republic We Iranians are going to determine that And that plan is actually available online It's on a website called Iran Prosperity Project It's been online for over six months. I can't think of any other revolution, in fact, where the transitional plan for the emergency government has already been published and peer reviewed and is also available in English online. There are also a number of other factors here. So Elon Musk providing Starlink and Starlink devices, that is huge because that has allowed us to continue receiving messages from people in occupied Iran despite the mass slaughter.

55:24The other really important factor as well is that President Trump is now giving his support to the Iranian people. And we're not asking for boots on the ground, nothing like that. But when you look at President Ronald Reagan, President Ronald Reagan's support for the oppressed people is what led to the fall of the Berlin Wall, and there were no boots on the ground there. The propaganda that Chenk is putting out there, it's the other side of the... Because we didn't bomb the Soviet Union. Can you please don't interrupt me? I did not interrupt you when you were spouting your garbage. So as I was saying, the propaganda that Cenk is putting out there, that's the other side of the coin of the Islamic dictatorship.

56:03So it's meant to put fear into Americans by saying, oh, let's go bomb Iran. Well, no, no one's going to go bomb Iran. Israel and the United States, back in the 12-day war, they targeted Islamic regime bases. They never targeted civilians. And in the 12-day war, yes, there were civilian casualties. 200 Iranian civilians lost their lives in the 12-day war. But in the past two days alone, the Islamic dictatorship has slaughtered over 12 ,000 Iranians. And that's at a minimum right now for what we know. So what Iranians are saying is that they will fight until the very end because they know that at this point it's either liberty or death.

56:51And so they are still going out. They are still fighting. And the one person, the one person that has mobilized us Iranians around the world to rise up and overthrow the Islamic dictatorship is His Royal Highness King Nizapahlebi. So people like Chenk can complain and bark all they want, but ultimately their opinion is irrelevant. We Iranians, we've already decided what we want, AND SELF-DETERMINATION IS OUR RIGHT.

57:17Piers Morgan:OKAY. I 'VE GOT TO LEAVE IT THERE FOR THE PANEL. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? No, no, no. Can I just say she keeps pretending to speak for the Persian people. There's been no vote. She doesn't represent any of them. So some do like the Shah. I don't dispute that. I think that they're very, very mistaken in that. There's some earnest people who believe that. And then there's people who work for Israel who say, yeah, he's a perfect puppet for Israel. And then Chuck says, oh, well, the UAE also wants him gone. And Turkey wants Iran gone. Why do I care about those countries? I don't care about those countries.

57:48I care about us. Can I ask Rob one last question? Rob, you're a military. You were named SEAL Team 6. Can I ask you how many military... Hold on. Let me ask Rob a question. Let me ask Rob a question. Hey, Israeli public, hold on a second. Can I ask Rob a question?

58:03Piers Morgan:Don't talk over each other. Israeli public, don't talk over each other, please. Hey, Rob, when you do enough military exercise, look, what we did in Iran was tactically amazing. what we did in venezuela was tactically amazing that is a strategy that's tactics but if you take it on your story at some point are you going to lose someone holding that information and plane is going to get knocked down you're going to lose some members of of a delta force et cetera and at that point people are going to get mad and then they're going to want bigger war and bigger retaliation and we're going to get sucked in maybe i don't understand rob rob has as the u.s military become perfect and we can never lose anyone There's no risk.

58:40Or are we taking significant risk here? Yeah, Cenk, I like what you're saying as far as we – thinking outside of the box, because what happened in Venezuela was not an anomaly. It's something we can do. But with no one getting killed, no Gila getting shot down, we had birds get hit. If one goes down, like you said, yes, we'll probably lose people. If one of the birds that got hit, like in Venezuela, goes down, we've had it before with Extortion 17 and Turbine 33, everyone on board dies. And then you've got to go recover the body of the aircraft, and then you get the sentiment of, yes, we want to go and take more action.

59:10It's very, very dangerous. Like, my biggest concern with Iran is I don't want the United States of Halliburton to get their boots on the ground again. And you're really towing a very, very dangerous line. Once we start sending these, look, we flew in with two stealth birds, came back with one. One went down, we had to blow it up. We're outside all of a sudden with the locals in Abbottabad, Pakistan, very dangerous. They don't know why we're there. The local police that are there don't know why we're there. We don't want to kill local police because we're in their country. There's so many complications that can potentially happen.

59:40That's why hopefully we can do something. The worst thing we can say that we've done, as history repeats itself, is say, well, this is the way we've always done it. Then we're going to end up with another bad war and another panel of people like us who obviously know more than everyone else solving all the problems. I think we can do something simpler. I think it obviously starts with talking with the people in negotiations and then hopefully listening to other people. Because nobody's perfectly right and nobody's perfectly wrong. But I think we all need to agree the Iranian people need to get a much better way of life they've been living for the past 47 years.

1:00:09Piers Morgan:You know what? Let's end on that note of common sense and nuance. What a pleasure to hear a bit of nuance about a complex situation. Thank you to my panel. I appreciate it all very much. I'm joined now by the British-Iranian comedian and actor Omid Jalili. Right now, new FanDuel customers can get up to$300 back in bonus bets every day for 10 days. Place a tournament bet using the token, and if it doesn't win, you'll get up to$300 back in bonus bets every single day for 10 days straight. You can even mix things up with same-game parlays for a shot at a bigger payout. FanDuel, it's time to dance.

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1:00:54Piers Morgan:Ahmed, welcome back to 12th. How are you feeling after all that? Take a breath. Are you okay? Do you know what? It was nice to end with somebody taking a slightly more nuanced view of what is a very complicated story. As it is with Venezuela, as it is with Greenland, as it is with the ICE protester who got shot. None of these things are black and white. Bang, bang. And yet everyone is so tribal now, they want to immediately make it a tribal, intransigent, transigent, there is only one way to look at this story. Yeah, that is the problem. And by doing that, we're othering people. In fact, majority of people, they actually even see that they can't support the people in Iran because some people say, oh, dear, if we support people of Iran, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

1:01:44And, you know, they are standing up to Israel, so if I support the people of Iran, I'm a Zionist. Oh, dear. It's ridiculous.

1:01:51Piers Morgan:Well, I was really struck by the Golden Globes, that there were lots of support there for the anti-ice protesters, lots of support for Gaza and other things. Nobody expressed any public support in Hollywood for the people of Iran. And that's exactly what you're getting at, I think. It was very telling to me. They're othering people. It's like as if the people of Iran are expendable. They're dispensable, it doesn't really matter, but they don't want to get involved. And that is... What we're seeing evolve in Iran is one of the most extraordinary stories of revolution of all time. I was at the Berlin Wall.

1:02:29I was there. Were you? I was actually there, knocking bits of it down, because I thought it was a real moment in history. Were you really? I was actually there. I was 24 years old. Well, you happened to be there, or you went out? I went there because, you know, there was a Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia. I actually ended up living in Czechoslovakia from 1990 to 1995. I was very excited by this time in history, and I wanted to be part of it. But I can tell you, it was a Velvet Revolution, one person died. Berlin Wall, pretty much peaceful. 12, Piers, this is serious. The estimates are between 2 ,000 to 12 ,000 people being killed in two days, and you're telling me nobody cares about this.

1:03:05We are now seeing... And the people are still coming out on the streets. Something incredible. We're looking at something that's going to happen that's pretty seismic, and the whole world...

1:03:14Piers Morgan:Do we really know, Omin, what is... Given the shutdown of the internet and the paucity of the footage that we're seeing and the ability of regime supporters like Professor Miranda, who comes on and says, here's this footage. It shows millions of people protesting in support of the regime and so on, none of which can be verified and was, in fact, directly challenged by one of the panellists. Right. But given this sort of fog of unverifiable claim and counterclaim, because there is no internet there at the moment... Yeah. Five days of it now. Yeah, so what can we really believe? Steve, have you spoken to anyone in Iran?

1:03:51Piers Morgan:Are you getting a feel for what's really happening? A friend of mine, a brother, was killed. And it's very difficult to even get information, but they said to get the body, you've got to pay what is equivalent to$5 ,000, which is unpayable. But very, very significantly, they had to sign a piece of paper to say that the body belonged to the security forces and he was killed by protesters. So it's that kind of propaganda that is being pushed. And I think at the end of the day, we're seeing videos... Look, I'm not the kind of person to share those kind of gory videos. I've seen them. I've hardly slept, Piers, in the last two weeks because I'm so invested.

1:04:24I should tell you, not as an Iranian, but as a human being watching other human beings stand up to repression that's been going on for years. And frankly, this narrative that it's Israeli-led or that it's American-led, this misinformed, patronising narrative which is so offensive to Iranians that we've had these uprisings for years when Israel and America would have nothing to gain. This is the narrative that is pushing people to kill protesters. So I'm all for free speech, but when you're pushing this narrative, you're getting people killed.

1:04:59Piers Morgan:Right, and it's why the Hollywood stars didn't want to put their head over the parapet and support Iranian people, because they have bought into a narrative that's being put out there very forcefully. This is all at the behest of Israel. And the point I made to Chek Nugger is, well, it might be in Israel's interest, clearly. They would love to see the Ayatollah depots and the regime got rid of. So would America. So would many, many other people and countries around the world. This is a despicable regime. Everybody knows that. And this moment, I would say, when we say all eyes on Iran, it's more significant than Ukraine, Russia, Venezuela, all of it put together, short of an alien invasion and contact with aliens.

1:05:40This is the moment of history where if something changes here, it could change the whole landscape. Why? Because we have a regime that funds terrorism. And this is something that people who are listening need to hear this very, very clearly. And all the people who were saying, oh, but Iran stands up to Israel. Bear in mind, there was a football match, and we're big football fans, and after October 7th, there was a football match between two of the big rivals in Iran. And a regime person came on and was waving a Palestinian flag. The football fans of Iran started singing, shoved that Palestinian flag up your backside.

1:06:15And everyone said, this is so offensive to the people of Palestine. But no, I went on and I explained what they're shouting at is the regime official, because football fans knew their support of the Palestinian cause is non-existent. Their whole modus operandi and aim is to destroy Israel and what is in the IRGC constitution to kill all Jews everywhere. and that's fact and that's what Iranians know and that's the thing that we are pushing back against.

1:06:46Piers Morgan:What do you think is going to happen here? Because we have seen a number of uprisings that got repelled and quashed in ruthless, violent manner by the Ayatollahs. We've seen the German Chancellor come out and say he believes this is the beginning of the end and it could take just a few weeks. Do you share that optimism? Yes, I do because we have intelligence from people who are in the know, people like Tom Tugendhat, who is the former Minister for Security, He seems to have intelligence that the regime are actually over. These are the final death pangs of a regime. And I think that, look, at the end of the day, will it be this week, will it be next week, will it be up until March even?

1:07:21We don't know. But Muller's have been seen leaving the country. The economy is unsavable. There is no way this regime can survive. So it's a question of not if, but absolutely when. And the people have said, there's the most incredible war of a chishin going on. You keep killing us, but we ain't moving. You're going to have to... We've seen telegram messages today. We need some help because they're literally going to slaughter all of us.

1:07:45Piers Morgan:Is the answer, Reverend Pahlavi, the crown prince, because, as people have pointed out, the Shah, his father, was overthrown himself in 1979. That precipitated the mullahs taking over. Is that the answer, for Iran to go back to a constitutional monarchy with the crown prince? I think that that particular revolution had something to do with 1953 and the coup with Mossad Dehren. People in Iran were upset with American interference. So, in a sense, the Iranians don't mind if Trump get involved because it might be righting the wrongs of the past. Even Obama said he should have done something in 2009 with the Green Movement.

1:08:25But Reza Pahlavi, all I can tell you is he seems educated. He seems to be talking a big game with regards to transitioning Iran to a secular democracy and a democratically elected government. possibly a constitutional monarchy like Britain that is next to a secular government. And at the end of the day, the Iranian people are saying, we have agency and we will decide. And I think that's the most important thing.

1:08:49Piers Morgan:What Chuck Todd, you know, former NBC anchor, was on just now saying that he's got some reporting that the president of Iran is actually a lot more moderate than people expected him to be. He's actually on, yes. Yeah, and that actually he could end up being a Gorbachev figure in this. Is that something you could see potentially happening? I really don't know, but one of his ideas was to pay protesters, pay all of Iran$7 a month. And I think that was, with the economy being the way it is, it was a shocking suggestion to make. And what's happening right now in Iran, they're trying to change the hearts and minds of the regime forces, saying, who are you defending?

1:09:26Your money is as worthless as our money, which is why we see, which is very significant, last night and the day before, many Iranian regime forces did not come out. And a lot of the killing is being done by Iraqis and people from outside the country who just paid money to kill Iranians because Iranians themselves, very few of them, will do what the Iraqis have been doing to Iranians.

1:09:48Piers Morgan:You know, I've been struck, just in my own little way, by the sheer volume of Iranians who've been messaging me on social media. Incredible, yeah. All pleading for help in getting this over the line. And I've never seen anything quite like it. It's do or die. It really is. because the Iranians have got to the point where they've got no money, they're so angry with the regime that they've been using their money for terrorism and some countries don't even have... Some cities don't even have clear water. It's a moment where you see people who are actually saying, we'd rather die on our feet than live on our knees.

1:10:22Piers Morgan:Yeah, which is an amazing thing. And actually how most revolutions end up being successful. Exactly. And well done to you. Well done to you for giving a voice to all this. I think it's absolutely fantastic. I think it's essential and I do think this narrative that just because Israel may stand to gain by this, therefore, if you have a position about what Israel's been doing in Gaza, you can't be supportive of the Iranian people. I think that is such a selective, morally bankrupt position to take. If that's your position, then people, you have absolutely no leg to stand on. And we will really question all your other things.

1:10:54Yes. And I think at the end of the day, if you want to stand up for the people of Iran, that's good. But any of the other cultural world stuff around it, shut the hell up.

1:11:03Piers Morgan:Yeah, I agree. It'll be great to see you. Great to see you, mate. Thank you very much.

1:11:32Piers Morgan:without you.

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