“You Are Flat Out WRONG!” Diddy - DJ Vlad vs Tony Buzbee | + Elisabeth Oveson: ‘I Was Gifted To Him’

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0:41All the other male escorts that I've talked to, like for example, I talked to Don the dealer who also had multiple sessions with Cassie. She said she was loving it. She was into it. She was setting the direction. This is really about the domestic violence, but the domestic violence goes back past the statute of limitations.

0:56Piers Morgan:You just made this grand conclusion that, oh, the U.S. attorney talked to a few of these folks and decided they had no credibility. You were flat out wrong in that respect. How am I wrong if none of them were used? What's the actual evidence of it? Have you won a single lawsuit with any of these people you've represented? A single lawsuit? Literally 30 days ago for$640 million, pal. So don't be telling me about winning lawsuits. How many lawsuits have you won against Diddy and Jay-Z? None have went to trial yet, knucklehead. First came the verdict, now the fallout. Diddy could still face up to 20 years in a federal prison, but his sentence is likely to be much shorter than that.

1:34Piers Morgan:The defence is asking for less than two years. Federal prosecutors are facing criticism that they overreach with charges of sex trafficking and racketeering in a RICO case that never looks strong enough. That's competing claims. Victim shaming. And that the Diddy trial is a definitive end for the Me Too era. So what went wrong? What happens next? and how will the hip-hop world be reshaped by a case that gripped the world? Just a moment, we'll hear from DJ Vlad, Tony Busby and Esther Kraku, but first I'm joined by Elizabeth Overson, known to many by her pseudonym of Karen Steffens, author of Video Vixens, who claims she was gifted to Diddy in 2001 by a music executive.

2:13Piers Morgan:Well, welcome to Uncensored, Elizabeth. Thank you very much indeed for joining me. Thank you for having me. A lot of people are kind of aware of your history with Diddy, but for those who know nothing about it, how would you categorise your time with him?

2:37My time with Sean was honestly pleasant in the beginning. To my recollection, the first time we met, we spent the night together, but he was a consummate gentleman with me in that evening, again to my recollection. And every other time I saw him after that was in a group setting, so it was fine. The last time I saw him, however, things had taken a bit of a turn. It was after Confessions of a Video Vixen, my first book had been published. and he was seething when he saw me at Prince had a party at his house and we were there you know of course before Prince died and he was scowling at me the whole night and I just I found it I found it amusing but he was obviously very angry with me by that point in our relationship.

3:37Piers Morgan:Why was he so angry with you?

3:41Well, four months before Confessions was published in 2005, we got a call from Sean's attorney, my attorney did, and Sean's attorney wanted to see the book before the book came out. Confessions of a Video Vixen was an embargoed book, so no one could see it. No one would even get it until the day, the publication date, which is June 5th of that year. And so my attorney told his attorney that he could not get the book and that they would have to wait until the book came out like everyone else. And if they saw a problem in the book, that they were free to reach back out to us, sue us, whatever they felt was necessary.

4:19We knew that wouldn't happen because Harper Collins is the publisher of that book, as you know, is a News Corp entity. And those attorneys made sure it was vetted to the fullest so Sean could never sue. He could never raise any objection to it and I think he always um hated me after that because I left enough I raised I posed questions in that book that um that I think sent certain people down the direction that leads us to where we are now just just explain that a little more what were the questions you think that you're talking about

5:05Well, honestly, I'm just now getting context on a lot of the questions that I had then after the trial. The trial gave me way more context. But just about, I think, his sexual proclivities and what we saw in hanging out with him, the kind of clubs he took us to, even conversations he and I had, one in particular where he, I didn't understand it at the time. And honestly, Pierce, I'm getting new understanding about this line of questioning. I wrote about this in Confessions, where my boyfriend and I at the time had gone to his home for New Year's Eve, you know, Christmas, New Year's Eve kind of festivities.

5:46And he pulled me to the side and was just like we're friends right you know we're friends and I was like yeah yeah we're friends and like we're good and I'm like yeah we're good and I couldn't figure out what he meant and I wrote about this where I just I didn't know what he was talking about and he just kind of went on to say you know I have kids I have a mom and if anything got out it would really hurt them and I honestly at that point in stage did not know or remember what he was talking about and so we just kind of laughed it off like what is what's going on with him you know and things he said to my boyfriend like don't trust her you know she might have her on video with you know in you know precarious positions and and this is back before cell phone cameras so I was just like what video I didn't understand any of it now after the trial and the things that have come out from the trial.

6:45This gives these conversations a lot more context. But at the time when confessions came out, it did make us all wonder, what was he so afraid of? I didn't even know what I had seen or didn't see, or if there's something happened that I didn't remember from our time together. But he was very afraid that I would say something in the book. And honestly, I don't think, I think he never contacted us back because what he thought I was going to say, I did not say, possibly because I didn't remember it.

7:13Piers Morgan:What do you think he was fearful of you saying?

7:18I have to be honest, Piers, you know, in booking this time with you today and your producer asked me to kind of send over some pages from the book, I hadn't read Confessions since I wrote it. And I read it for the audio version. And that was 2005. It's been 20 years since I've read this book. and in reading what I sent over, which is what I just described to you right now, I wonder if, I wonder a lot of things. He was so afraid that I knew something and I was confused because the only time that we had had together prior to this conversation was alone time at his home wherein I felt it was that we had a good time.

8:01I didn't know, So, you know, we had never, he didn't come on to me. He was, he just seemed very, he was just, it was very platonic, I thought. So I was confused as to why, what, you know, what was it? And so I have to admit my mind kind of races now that I have more context of his proclivities and what he's capable of, of what he was so afraid of, what he thought I knew or what he thought I remembered.

8:28Piers Morgan:I mean, in the book, you talk about the first time you met Diddy in a nightclub at 3am. You say, right there in front of me, Diddy and Gotti, who was the murder records boss of Gotti, made arrangements to send me to Diddy's house in one hour. It was four in the morning. I turned up to Diddy's home in my SUV. There were security guards in the driveway, all dressed in dark suits with their hands in front of them. They had been expecting me. The things that went on when Gossie and I were together are almost unimaginable to me now. But in the haze of drugs and liquor, it all seemed all right. I was being used over and over again, man after man, all friends and acquaintances of Gotti's.

9:09Piers Morgan:I quickly became Gotti's showpiece. He would turn other people in the industry on to me. I was his party favour. Whenever there was anyone Gotti wanted to impress, he would send them to me and I'd take care of them. I mean, could it be that what Sean Combs is worried about was that he facilitated this very transactional relationship that you had with Irv Gotti? Is that part of this? I don't think that was it. And honestly, I think it was more insidious than that. The fear, the fright that he had during that conversation at his Miami home, you know, back in whatever year that was, he seemed terrified that I had known something.

9:56And I just don't know what he thought I knew or remembered. The transactional nature of how we met, and which is why, you know, I said in various interviews before that I was gifted to him, it was because no one asked me if I wanted to go. No one asked me. They talked about me as if I wasn't there. I was property to cart around. And that's what they did. If they would have asked me, I still would have gone. So I didn't hold any objection at the time because I would have still done it. Being 21 and it's ditty and we're having fun and it's just a Saturday night out in L.A.

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11:59No, Diddy and I did not. Well, not to my knowledge.

12:06Piers Morgan:So what do you mean by that? Not to my knowledge. I don't... Honestly, I'm questioning a lot of things right now. So not to my knowledge. I have... No, I don't think anything right now. Just not to my knowledge because honestly... That's a very strange response, though, to not remember whether you did or not. Yeah, isn't it? Mm. It is. Yeah, it is. Because honestly, Pierce, before now, again, before I went through my text, again, I hadn't read Confessions in 20 years. I wrote it. It was painful to write. So I never wanted to re-traumatize myself and go through those years again. And think about this.

12:49I'm a middle-aged woman at this point. I don't want to go back into my 20s and see what happened. But in gathering information for this interview here, reading that passage again for the first time in 20 years, I questioned a lot of things like, well, why was he so afraid? And why did he try to, you know, make my boyfriend feel as if I wasn't trustworthy?

13:13Piers Morgan:Do you think he took advantage of you when you were under the influence of alcohol and drugs? I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. And I never thought that before. Do you fear that's the case now from everything you've read? Honestly, yes. Given the context, now that I know, because, again, I never knew any of these things about him before. So the things that I learned in the trial, I did not know. I never saw that side of him. I did not know. I never understood. And, again, in 2005, when I published Confessions, it says I didn't understand why he was so fearful of me because our time together was pleasant.

13:54And I was like, wait, what is he so afraid of? What does he not want me to tell? I didn't see anything at that point. At that point, I hadn't seen anything. At that point, we had had, I thought, just a friendly, platonic night together. So I was confused then. And 20 years later, I'm confused now. So to my knowledge, I've never had sex with Sean Combs. We never had that kind of relationship.

14:18Piers Morgan:But you can't be sure. Given what we know now, I can't be sure. And how does that make you feel? And that saddens me. Yeah, I was going to ask you. It saddens me, honestly. Yeah, because honestly, during this entire process, I've been shying away from publicity and just letting the trial unfold. You know, I knew things from just being around and people talking, but I didn't know what was going to come out. there's a few things that I saw that without context were strange to me, but I didn't understand them until the trial. And so I've been quiet this whole time and I disappeared off of social.

15:02I just disappeared for the past year waiting for this thing to unfold. In the unfolding of what I believe to be facts and definitely the testimonies of Cassie and Jane and even some of the men. and then looking back at the text, I'm like, wait a minute. Okay, when he said, if anything got out, and I'm like, and I remember at the time being so confused, like anything like what got out? Like we, nothing happened. We hung out. We, you were, you were kind. At some point I went to sleep. I don't know when, but I woke up and then we had breakfast and you were kind and I left. Nothing happened. I don't know, Pierce.

15:44It just, I feel, just in the last 24 hours, I question what I thought I knew about my time with him.

15:55Piers Morgan:You detail in your books romantic relationships with a lot of famous people from that world. Jay-Z, DMX, Van Diesel, Lil Wayne, Method Man, even Bill Maher, LL Cool J, Mr. Carl and others. You had a lot of famous guys you dated. and who knows what the nature of what happened with Diddy was about. But do you feel that this whole world has now changed irrevocably as a result of what happened to Diddy? No. No, because nothing has happened to Diddy. Nothing has happened to Sean at all. What has happened here is that here's the deal. It's not a Diddy issue. Like, Diddy is a problem, but he's not the problem, okay?

16:41He's not the problem. from Cosby to Combs, Weinstein to Epstein, and everything in between, they're all different tentacles of the same beast. And this is a story as old as time, the abuses of men, men in power, especially men with money. And I think it only increases over time as women become more free and more liberated, being able to make our own money, being able to buy our own homes, being able to start our own businesses, I think it only enrages the men who hold power that they're losing power. And so I felt that over time, you know, in my experience over the last 20-something years that I've been in this town, that the men are increasingly more aggressive and more so wanting to keep women under control and in power because they are losing power, even legally so.

17:32So I don't think that the Dini trial has changed anything other than it probably fuels this issue more than anything, because here's the deal. Two of the toughest charges have been dropped. He's facing up to 20 with time served. Yeah, he's denied bail, but how much time is he really going to get? Probably maybe, what, three years? Might be out on probation. Might have to wear an ankle bracelet like Martha Stewart. and everything's going to be fine. And then what happens is that no one's paying attention to the fact that there are a lot of men who aren't saying anything, who are very quiet, as well as men who are, men especially and women, who are supporting him.

18:16And I fear, even with everything that we've heard, let's say none of that was true. We saw something, however, that tells us something about this person. We saw a videotaped of him brutalizing Cassie And that tells me everything I need to know about this person's character. So even if nothing else was true, that alone is enough reason for him to be canceled indefinitely. But I fear that's not what's going to happen. I think this is just emboldening more men to do the same thing, because guess what they're going to do? They're going to get away with it. There are men in this industry who have left this country, who are now living on islands and in different countries, you know, to escape persecution from things like this.

19:01There are men that I know personally who are involved in this, who have done things similar to this, who have parties like this. Diddy's not the only one. This is not a Sean Combs problem. This is not, this is a societal community issue here in this town. And it's not just the artists. It's also their attorneys, their publicists. It's the hotels. I was brutalized in a hotel. And guess what happened? That tape disappeared. When I went to get my police report from the police station, it was destroyed. all within 48 hours to protect the person who had brutalized me. It is systemic. So it doesn't matter, you know, if Diddy gets off or not in the sense that it won't stop anything.

19:44I think, if anything, it makes it all worse.

19:47Piers Morgan:Well, that is a sobering way to end. But thank you very much indeed, Elizabeth Overson. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Well, to debate all this, I'm joined by Tony Busby, the attorney representing Diddy victims in civil suits, DJ Vlad, commentator and host of Vlad TV, and our very own unsensored contributor, Esther Krakow. Esther, as we listened to that, what were you thinking? I think, I mean, what she said at the end there was very poignant. This is not a Diddy problem. This is an industry problem. I do find it quite telling that she said she was brutalised as well in a similar fashion that Cassie was, and then within 48 hours, the tape vanished.

20:22And I think a lot of the fault has to be laid at the nature of the system. We used to say that all you need is consent, whether it's signed consent or, yes, we're good to go. But actually, when you contextualize it, these women that, okay, yes, they are drawn in by the glamour of being with someone like P. Diddy or a high-profile person, you can choose the names, they are drawn into the system, but nothing means that they deserve to be beaten up and treated like ragdolls in the way that Cassie and I'll give you this lady said. And so we need to be looking at the cultural issue as well. That's the fundamental issue.

20:52It's not just about you sign a piece of paper and you can make an NDA keep you quiet or whatever. The culture is telling women that actually you can be treated this way because you happen to be in this space and all that keeps everything above board is the legality. And unfortunately, the culture is our problem. It's not the problem of the federal prosecutors. It's the problem of us as a society. The PAs, the people that are handling their press releases, the lawyers, everyone, they are part of the culture, that culture of subservience and allowing these people to do things that are legally above board but are horrible and just quite vile.

21:28I feel sorry for Cassie because I do think the prosecutors misled her. The case was very, very shoddy on many levels. You can't have a conspiracy with just one person. That's not a conspiracy, that's a thought. And so I think in many ways that case was always going to fall through. But I do think that these girls have been let down by a culture that has boiled down appropriate behaviour to just, you know, legality and consent.

21:50Piers Morgan:OK, DJ Vlad, you posted on X after the verdicts came in, Cassie is guilty of the same prostitution charges Diddy was just convicted of. I interviewed three of the male escorts. All three of them said the same thing. Cassie picked them, contacted them for free coughs, enjoyed the experiences and paid them. Meanwhile, she's sitting on$30 million and writing letters to the judge, asking him not to give Diddy bail. So pretty clear what your view is of Cassie Ventura there. What do you think should happen to her? I mean, personally, I think she should be charged with the same thing that Diddy was charged with.

22:25Ultimately, he was convicted of prostitution. She was involved in the prostitution. Every male escort that I talked to said that she was the one picking the actual male prostitutes. She would book them. She enjoyed every experience. She was sort of guiding the whole thing while they were together, and she was the one that actually paid them. Ultimately, this is a domestic violence case that's ballooned into a RICO and sex trafficking and so forth. What Diddy did to Cassie in that hallway was absolutely horrible, but that is not what the trial was about. It was about RICO. It was about sex trafficking, neither of which made sense in this particular trial.