"You CAN'T Just Drill Into It!” Giza Pyramids - Is The Truth Being Hidden? With Dr Zahi Hawass

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1:24It can go on, boom, and drill like this. When you were on Joe Rogan, you said that you didn't know what Zep Tepe was. As the premier Egyptologist in the world, you do know the Egyptian creation myth. Would you mind just explaining it to us real quick so that to kind of vindicate yourself and show the world you do know what Zep Tepe is? I teach the Egyptian creation, but I am saying this term that you're talking about, I never heard of it. Are you saying on the record there has been no exploration in the way that Jimmy Corsetti says? Jimmy, this conspiracy theory that you do have is wrong completely.

2:01We are not hiding anything. To his legion of admirers, Dr Zahi Hawass is the world's top expert on Egypt's mighty pyramids. And for good reason. Throughout an illustrious career, Dr Hawass has served as the chief inspector of the Great Pyramids, director general of the Giza monuments, and the secretary general of the Supreme Council of Antiquities in Egypt. His book, Giza and the Pyramids, is considered the definitive account. But to his critics, he's an academic gatekeeper, an elitist of Egyptology, who is preventing others from interrogating the real truth about how, when, and why the pyramids were built.

2:40Many in Joe Rogan's audience felt that way after his appearance earlier this year. Most of the information that's written on pyramids are wrong. Most of it? Most of it. In archaeology books? In archaeology books. Really? Except me and Mark Liener. You guys are the only ones that have it right? Because I have been working in Gaza for the last 57 years of my life. I excavated every piece of sand. Well, in this special edition of Uncensored, Dr. Zahi Hawass will join me to discuss his incredible work. and will be joined by two of his most high-profile critics from the alternative archaeology community.

3:18You say the truth about the pyramids has yet to be revealed. And we'll bring those two gentlemen in shortly. But first of all, Dr Harwaz, first of all, welcome to Uncensored. Let me just ask you, first of all, what was your reaction to the reaction you got when you appeared on the Joe Rogan podcast? Because a lot of it was very negative. No, I, when I give any talk about pyramids, I expect the person who interviewed me to read about pyramids or to read about our work. I am sorry when I did this last interview. I didn't see that Mr. Rogan did really read anything that we published. and this is why I was trying to refer to our excavation, to our book and so.

4:11But I am sorry that he said that this show was the worst he did and after that he said it was good. It's his opinion but I do, when I talk about evidence of how the Egyptians built the pyramids, I present all the archaeological evidence that I do have. And on the other side, I don't see any evidence that anyone can give me to say that pyramids built by so-and-so. And that was my point, my point that I have been excavating in Egypt for the last 57 years. I excavated every piece of sand at Giza Plateau. then when I present a theory or an idea, I present it with evidence. I'm not talking about something on air.

5:11No. I'm talking about what we have been discovered at Giza for the last 50 years. Let me ask you, if you don't mind me just quibbling about one thing, have you really examined every grain of sand at Giza? We did. You know, I have to tell you... How many grains are there? I start... We... I discovered west of the Great Pyramid, about 20 tombs. One of them mentioned in the Uad al-Jarf papyri that talking about building the pyramid by someone whose name was Mirren. We found the tombs of the pyramid builders at Giza. Big, major, important discovery. We found the tombs in the upper cemetery for the technicians with titles in hieroglyphics.

6:04Each title has to do with building the pyramid. The lower cemetery for the workmen who moved the stones. And next to this, Mark Liener excavated an area for sorting salted fish, the bakery for making bread, the houses and the villages that the workmen lived. then we do. I mean, I can't talk to you. This is what I'm doing in the States now. This is top number 25 for me in my lecture in America, that really I'm presenting to the people all the evidence that we do have to say that Khufu built this pyramid. And this pyramid did not appear at once. No. But the key recent discovery that I believe you've made, that you've made public is that it's always been traditionally assumed that the pyramids were built by 100 ,000 slaves.

7:02But you've done some research recently that you believe contradicts that theory. Your team unearthed tombs near the pyramids, you just touched on that, that suggests they were in fact built by highly skilled, paid labourers under a strict regime and were not actually slaves, because the slaves, you've argued, wouldn't have had formal burial in close proximity to the pyramids. So, A, just explain that to me, and B, explain why this is such a significant discovery, in your opinion. OK. When we discovered the tombs of the pyramid builders, this discovery, based on the names that we found inside the upper cemetery, I can tell you that pyramids were built by the ancient Egyptians, because all the names that were found were Egyptian names.

7:56The second important thing, that there were no slaves. If there were slaves, the workmen will never be buried in the shadow of the pyramids. If there were slaves, they will never prepare their tombs for eternity like kings and queens. I want to tell you one important thing. There is a big difference between slavery in America in the past and Europe and in Egypt. In America and Europe, you can own a person. In ancient Egypt, you can have a servant working for you. Because I found one tomb west of the Great Pyramid. It's for a priest. His name is Kai. And at the entrance of his tomb, he's saying the following.

8:39I built my tomb. I hired workmen, sculptors, and artisans. I paid them beer and bread. I made them to be happy. And that's really an evidence to tell you that we have to understand the meaning of slavery in ancient Egypt. There was no slavery in ancient Egypt. But, I mean, it does seem to me, if you don't mind me saying, Dr. Hawass, you know, listen, I bow to your far greater expertise than me. You've written a thousand-page book on Giza alone. So, you know, I'm not going to try and quibble with you about the history of the pyramids or anything. I would simply say it seems to me more logical, and correct me if I'm wrong here, more logical that, yes, I totally can see that a lot of the local artisans and others would be brought in on this incredible project, but is it not really stretching credibility that they would not have also used what we would categorise as slaves in some capacity?

9:47because the work was so onerous, so tough, so hard, and it would take 100 ,000 or more people. Were there really 100 ,000 artisans prepared to do that kind of heavy-duty work, or is it not more likely that it was a mix of the two? The number of the workmen that were involved in construction of the pyramid based on our excavation were only 10 ,000 workmen. And we have to understand that the Egyptians, before they began to build the pyramid, they had to make a big type of administration to cut a canal, to cut the harbor, for bringing stones from Aswan, from Torah, to sit the workman area. And that's why the 100 ,000 workmen were sit by Herodotus, the father of the history, who came to Egypt in the middle of the 5th century BC.

10:44and Herodotus used to hear from guides, then there is not any evidence of the 100 ,000. But we do believe, based on our work and our work on the discovery of the tombs of the pyramid builders and the workman installation, that the workman were only 10 ,000 workmen. Again, I find that, again, I'm not questioning your research. I'm simply raising a quizzical eye. For example, the World Cup football recently took place in Qatar. I went out there for it. And they built a number of stadiums over a few years. But I think they had around 10 ,000 people building those football stadiums. There's no comparison in the complexity and size of these stadiums to the pyramids.

11:33And they had all the benefit of modern technology to help them. So this idea that you could have the same number of people that built the World Cup stadiums for Qatar and you could do the pyramids with them back in ancient times, it just, again, it doesn't seem plausible to me. You've probably seen the viral videos of a North Korean phone that secretly takes screenshots every five minutes, which are only accessible by authorities. You probably thought it could never happen here. But your data is not as secure as you think. Data brokers monitor all online activity, what you click, what you buy, and who you talk to.

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13:10Why? Because you don't know. And number two, we have to understand one thing, that the construction of the pyramid was a national project of the whole nation. The three millions who lived in Egypt in that time, in the time of Khufu, participated in building the pyramid to win the king as a god. I mean, can you believe moving an obelisk from Aswan to Hatshepsut temple? No, it's incredible. It took seven months. It took seven months. And this can be, it's depicted in the temple of Hatshepsut, showing how they cut this obelisk, how they transported the obelisk on boats. It explains how they work it for seven months because they want to make the king as a god.

14:01And this is why the households in Upper and Lower Egypt, all of them participated in sending workforce and food to Helby the King. In return, they did not pay taxes. The organization of building the pyramid, as we can see, the major problem that people look at the Khufu pyramid only. They don't look what happened before and what happened after. I WANT TO PLAY YOU A CLIP. IF YOU SEE HOW THEY STARTED, YOU SEE THERE IS NO GAP IN THE EGYPTIAN HISTORY AT ALL TO MAKE ANYONE TO THINK THERE IS SOMETHING WE COULD ARGUE ABOUT. OKAY, BEFORE I BRING IN THE OTHER TWO PANEL MEMBERS, I WANT TO PLAY YOU A CLIP.

14:51THIS IS FROM WHEN I HAD THE WORLD-FAMOUS GRAHAM HANCOCK ON uncensored who said this what do you really want to achieve what is the goal most of all what i would like to achieve is for archaeologists to engage with my work without smearing me without calling me a racist and a white supremacist and a misogynist and an anti-semite all of these words were applied to me so i guess my question there uh dr hawas is do you have an objection to people like Graham Hancock having their own theories about the pyramids because they're not actually from the Middle East because they're white guys from England?

15:32At all. First, you have to understand that Egyptology, you have hundreds of American Egyptologists and French and German We are not only the Egyptian, the Egyptologists. And by the way, I debated Graham Hancock and John Anton West and Reba Bofal many times in many places. I met Graham in Egypt. I invited him for dinner. And I talked to him. And I ask Graham all the time, if you don't have evidence of what you believe on the date of the pyramids and moving stones, you don't have any evidence. If he give me one single evidence, I will accept that. You know, I won't tell you about moving stones. We do have a scene from the Old Kingdom talking about moving stones.

16:25In the Middle Kingdom, a statue, 60 tons, 170 Egyptians are dragging the statue. The Hatshepsut Oblisk, all this can tell us how the Egyptians... Let me ask you, before I get... Let me ask you, why do we not, given we've got technology these days which can go incredibly deep, why don't we just go under the pyramids and go right deep, right down, and really get to the bottom of this? What's the objection to doing that? I don't, but I have to understand, we are working right now to measure expeditions. One from England, working under me, and one called ScanPyramids. We are using the most sophisticated techniques to understand and to discover the voice.

17:14Discoveries that will until now, many of it and there is others will reveal later. Then we are not objecting. But what who who should work in the pyramids? You have to bring scientists from a museum, from a university. but you cannot bring an amateur from New York or London to come and work in scientific. Okay, well, that's quite interesting because what they say, of course, is that it's a bit of a carve-up and that you guys are the pyramid establishment and you don't like outsiders because you don't want them contradicting your narrative. So, look, let's bring in the other two guests. Joining us now are two independent researchers and investigators of lost ancient history.

17:56Jimmy Corselli, the host of the Bright Insight YouTube channel, and from the debunking channel, Dan Richards. Welcome to both of you. We had you both on before, of course. Jimmy Corsetti, what would you like to say to Dr. Harwaz about his recent revelation from his team's research that they believe the pyramids were not built by slaves and there were 100 ,000, there were about 10 ,000 and they were artisans at the time. To be honest, well, let me first say, Pierce, thank you for having me back on. AND IT'S A PLEASURE TO MAKE YOUR ACQUAINTANCE. THERE'S A FEW THINGS I TAKE ISSUE WITH WHAT HE HAD SAID.

18:33FIRST OF ALL, THIS SCAN PYRAMIDS PROJECT, THAT INITIAL DISCOVERY WAS BACK IN 2016 AND IT WAS COOPERATED INTO A PUBLISHED STUDY IN 2017. WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK FROM 2016 TO 2025, THAT'S NINE YEARS AGO. THAT'S ALMOST A DECADE. AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE DRILLED A HALF INCH DIAMETER HOLE AND SENT IN AN ENDOSCOPED CAMERA INTO THIS HIDDEN CHAMBER. because let's not forget that the Great Pyramid of Giza is arguably the most mysterious and debated structure in all of human history. We don't know exactly how it was constructed. And in fact, how it was constructed is one of the most debated topics.

19:09Another debated topic is whether it was actually built to be a tomb for the pharaohs, because after all, we never found any mummy in any Egyptian pyramid over. So with those two significant points of debate, we could squash those debates by simply going in and exploring it. So I guess I have a question for Dr. Hawass at this time, which is, why haven't we drilled into that hidden chamber? When will we do it? And the third question is, has it already been done so in secret? Wow. Great questions. All right, Dr. Hawass, your response. Now, number one, you have to understand until today, today is in July 2025, we still have the scan pyramid.

19:58Team are working. You know that they found behind the main entrance, the corridor. And they found above the Grand Gallery, the big void. And the Egyptian team, the English team that working under me, they found some important voids. And you have to be patient. You have to study how are you going to drill or the new techniques that they're using. The new techniques that they are using, like ultrasound and infrared penetrating radar, all of this, you do not need to drill anymore. You can see what's behind a wall. because the English team from London and Sean, who's working for me, they found a void behind the northern entrance of the Queenie Chamber with hieroglyphic signs.

20:58We are studying now how can we approach all these voids. But you have to understand one thing. We are not making anything secret. We advertise everything that we discover. We found above the king chamber in the five chambers, relieving chambers, two more names of the gangs who built the pyramids. And we found year 13 of Kofu's reign. And this is what I'm talking about in my lecture in the States now. This is my number 25 lecture that I am publishing, announcing to the public everything that we discover inside the Great Pyramid. Nothing is secret. OK, well, that's good to have that clarified.

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23:07so that this number, 43 ,200, is also related to the precession of the Earth's axis. Is that all true? I get so many headaches every month. It could be chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more. Botox, on a botulinum toxin A, prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. It's not for those who have 14 or fewer headache days a month. Prescription Botox is injected by your doctor. Effects of Botox may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. Allerge your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a life-threatening condition.

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24:18You know, I'm not objecting any theory, but you have to understand every day I hear a theory ABOUT THE PYRAMENT. SOMETIMES I UNDERSTAND. THAT ONE IS AN AMAZING THEORY. IF THAT THEORY IS TRUE, IT IS MIND-BLOWING. DO YOU THINK IT'S TRUE? NO ONE. SEND IT TO ME. I WILL STUDY IT. YOU 'VE NOT HEARD IT? IT'S THE SAME NUMBER ON THE CIMERIAN KINGS LIST. 43 ,200 HAS BEEN SEEN IN ANCIENT HISTORY INEXPLICABLY. AND THE CIMERIAN IS THE EARLIEST DOCUMENT HUMAN CIVILIZATION WE HAVE. AND THAT NUMBER TIES IN WITH THAT. REAL QUICK, I'M SORRY, BUT ZAHI, YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY PRIOR have you guys gone in and explored that hidden chamber?

24:58And if not, when will you be doing so? Because to be honest, we could do it by the end of the weekend. It's not difficult to drill a half inch diameter hole and send in an endoscope here. So have we been in there? And if not, when are we going, brother? I need to know. This will answer all of our questions. If you want to squash debate involving, you know, the conspiracy theorists and everything, all we gotta do is go in and look. We know where it's at. We could drill a hole. This is doable. Yeah, I agree. Why can't you just go in? I answered your question and I said... You're saying we have not gone in and explored that chamber.

25:29Is that correct? Can you please let me to answer you? Yes. I already answered you and I said, all these voids that we found, the ScanPyramid team and the English team, right now we are discussing and studying how we are going to get in. You cannot just go in directly like this. You have to make a study. You have to research it. You have to decide as a scientist, when can you do it? And when we can use it? It's been nine years. We do that, we can... Nine years, brother. I mean, look, we sent rockets... Nine years. We sent rockets to the... Hang on. You are wrong. I'm sorry. We have sent rockets to the moon since the 60s.

26:12I mean, the idea we can get to the moon in space rockets, but we can't get inside a chamber of a tomb in a pyramid. I mean, come on.

26:50world. You just can go and boom and drill like this. You have to be sure that this drill is important to discover something. That is not nine years. We have been working since nine years until today. I hear you. Let me bring in Dan Richards. Dan, what would you like to say to Dr. Arwas? Because there is obviously, there's been a kind of raging conflict between what people see as the establishment ibtotologists, who have kind of access and control, and then all you guys who would probably love to get that kind of access and control, but don't have it. What do you view about what he's been saying?

27:27Well, first of all, thank you for having me, Pierce. It's good to meet you, Zahi. I have a quick... When you were on Joe Rogan, you said that you didn't know what Zep Tepe was. And I figured I would give you a chance. I would imagine, as the premier Egyptologist in the world, you do know the Egyptian creation myth. Would you mind just explaining it to us real quick so that to kind of vindicate yourself often show the world you do know what Zeb Tepe is? No, I mean, I know about the ancient Egyptian creation, but maybe I don't know this term. But what I'm saying, what this has to do with what we are discussing now.

28:04Oh, it's very important because, I mean, the ancient Egyptian creation myth involves a primeval mound, right? And this is a symbolic bend. Exactly. This is something you're going to see all over the ancient world. So that term Zeptepe is, you see it in Egyptian without the vowels, but it's the Egyptian creation myth. So it's kind of important. It's a very important lens to use when you're interpreting these artifacts. So when you were on Joe Rogan and he asked you what it was and you said you didn't know what it was, so honestly, if you wouldn't mind, it's a big chance to vindicate yourself. No.

28:43I teach the Egyptian creation, but I am saying this term that you're talking about, I never heard of it. Maybe it is gotten... I never heard it in the world of Egyptology. Maybe it's between the others, but I can tell you about creation, how the Egyptians created this world. But I don't understand why this has to do with the pyramid. Well, let me ask... Dan, let me ask you just on the wider point. of the recent discovery by Dr. Harwas, or the claim from the research, that there were no slaves involved in the building of the pyramids. To me, that's ludicrous. I mean, I worked construction for a long time and they're using the food and the graves and stuff.

29:26And I mean, I saw many construction workers eating McDonald's while there was other construction workers eating steak. It just depends on if he's a foreman, if he's an engineer, or if he's just a grunt. The painters don't eat as good as the electricians who don't eat as good as the engineers and the architects. So, you know, having 10 ,000 people buried in the shade of the pyramid in a grave, mind you, that only says they worked for Khufu. It never says that they built the pyramids. So that's a stretch. It's an assumption that these are pyramid-builder graves. But in addition to that, there could be graves of tens of thousands of slaves off the site that haven't been discovered that were doing all of the grunt work while somebody else was holding the plumb bob.

30:06So to me, it's ludicrous to say there were no slaves involved. But to be clear and to be fair to Dr. Hawass, you don't know for a fact that it's not true, do you? What are you saying? Of course not. I mean, that's ancient history, right? We can all speculate, we can all spitball, but the only things we really know are carbon dating and written records, kind of, sort of. But, I mean, we fudge written records all the time, even today, so... All right. Jimmy, you raised your hand. I completely agree with everything that Dan just said. However, something very important for all of us to be humbled by is the fact that the Great Pyramids of Giza were allegedly created by the Old Kingdom.