"You Crossed EVERY Moral Line!" Piers Morgan Vs Hamas + US-Iran War & Spain-Morocco Migration

25:22I can, first of all, when the war, they think that now Israel is exhausted, either in Gaza, with Spain, Lebanon, Iraq. And I think we want to continue to fight against Israel. I think Hamas did not change its identity. Let me ask you, Mr Hamad, let me ask you,

25:39Piers Morgan:let me ask you, just finally, there's this deal in place. How confident are you that this deal is actually going to happen? Is Hamas genuinely prepared to disarm? And if so, when will you start giving up your weapons? As I told you, this is an exception phase in the Palestinian history. Because of the forced necessity, because of the hard circumstances in Gaza, we accept disagreement. But I think that as Hamas, I can confirm that we didn't change our mentality, our goal to end occupation, to continue to end occupation with the Palestinian faction, because this is our holy mission in order to end occupation.

26:23Maybe with some different techniques, some different tools, some different methods, that's right. But I think this is the end of the history. You know that the Palestinian history, if you read it, they passed in many, many painful stages. But I think this is one of them. It is very hard. I'm not so pleased with agreement, disagreement, because I think that I'm looking to something is morbid in order to protect our people. I don't expect that Israel will fulfill its commitments because we know the essence of Israel. We tested Israel for more than eight years. They will not accept any agreement because the state of arrogance, state of supremacy, they want to control everything by force.

27:08But I think as I told that Hamas will continue with the Palestinian faction, all of them, in order to fight against occupation until we reach the end of this occupation and freedom of our people.

27:21Piers Morgan:And do you still believe that Israel should be annihilated? Well, the question appears to be fair. Now, the existence of Israel, what they give, what this give the world something is better. Israel creating troubles with the Palestinians all the time, with Lebanon, with Syria, with everywhere. They drive United States now to open war with Iran. All the time they are creating troubles. Why is that should exist? This is the question. Is that is a big burden on the children of the world? Well, no, the question, no, the question, the question, Mr. Hamad, the question was, Mr. Hamad, the question was very straightforward and very simple.

28:05Piers Morgan:Do you still believe, as you've said in the past, that Israel should be annihilated yes or no i think that i i'm i'm i'm very honest i think the world should understand the essence of israel and they should understand this state of occupation genocide apartheid state of settlements every day they are they're telling the international community all the time they're telling the united nation resolution all the time they are chilling the the the security council resolution so is the answer yes or no then why did this god Why there is kind of democracy when they now describe Hamas as terrorist organization.

28:41I didn't ask you for your view. I didn't ask you to repeat your view. I simply said, Mr.

28:47Piers Morgan:Hamad, I simply said, do you still think Israel should be annihilated? Yes or no? What's the answer? I think the world should reconsider the existence of Israel. I think the existence of Israel is very dangerous for the Middle East, for the whole world. if Israel gives some good fruits to people. Tell me what Israel is doing in the Middle East. Tell me what they are doing in the Middle East. They are killing, they are apartheid, they are racism, all kinds, all kinds of bad things that Israel is doing in the Middle East. You've made your position clear, Mr. Hamad. Mr. Hamad, you've made your views about Israel clear.

29:25Piers Morgan:People can make their own minds up from the way you answered my question. I appreciate you coming on Uncensored. Thank you for your time. Well, for reaction to that extraordinary interview and to debate all the latest is Joe Kent, the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center. Cenk Yuger, founder and CEO of the Young Turks. Rob O 'Neill, the US Navy SEAL veteran. And Matt Tardio, who's a retired Green Beret and host of Speak the Truth. Well, welcome to all of you. Joe Kent, a pretty extraordinary conversation I had there with the official Hamas spokesman. This is the guy who became infamous very quickly after October the 7th, saying publicly, we want to do this again and again and again and calling for the annihilation of Israel.

30:05Piers Morgan:It's very hard, having listened to his answers to my questions, to imagine that this deal that's been put on the table has much chance of actually working. What is your view? I tend to agree with you. I don't believe this deal will hold. I think it's a noble aspiration for us to try and come up with some kind of a ceasefire or peace or disarmament plan there. But overall, I don't understand what America's role in this is. America has no dog in this fight. This is between Israel and between Hamas. The second that we go in and we try and play referees, we are getting ourselves deeply intertwined in a problem that no one's been able to solve.

30:43And quite frankly, it doesn't really pertain to people in the United States of America. Unfortunately, what we have done by funding the state of Israel is we've essentially put our name on everything that the Israelis have done to the Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank now for decades. And that's come back to cost us in a very, very big way in terms of blowback terrorism, in terms of the way the whole region views us. So my position as an American is that we should just stay out of this conflict completely. We shouldn't be funding Israel anymore based on how they've converted themselves inside of Gaza.

31:17and also how they've drug us into this war in Iran.

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32:35But when he tries to make a point, he just starts talking over his own point and then reiterating the same nonsense. And when he gets asked a direct question that he's expected to answer, or he won't answer it. He just dances around it. It doesn't really seem like he's very serious about it at all. If you can look at some of the footage, and I'm someone that says if I wasn't there in person and I only saw it on TV, I'm going to have questions. But the amount of footage, the amount of live streaming, everything that happened on October 7th, and to say that there weren't atrocities committed, I mean, I think war is violent.

33:05I know war is violent. War is permanent. War can be very scary. But the moment you start taking children as prisoners and then taking them across borders, that's a big problem. That's on a number of reasons, not just moral reasons. But if you can't tell the truth about something right in front of your face, why would we think that a ceasefire negotiation is going to take place in good faith? I just, whenever someone starts using so many words and talking over themselves and when an argument starts, they don't listen to the other side. It's just, it's a very frustrating, especially on, you know, the first Monday of the week.

33:37Yeah.

33:38Piers Morgan:Chek Yuga, welcome back to Uncensored, to you. What did you think of it? I mean, I just felt after half an hour talking to that guy that I just can't see any deal really working here because there's so little trust on both sides. Hamas hate the Israelis. The Israelis hate Hamas. You can have any kind of peace deal in principle that you want to try and conjure, but is it really going to stop these guys wanting to kill each other? yeah of course we have a peace deal so uh... israel and egypt have a had a peace deal for decades of the the necessities for israel to want a peace deal so look at the you know that conversation didn't move me at all as to why that that particular peace deal isn't going to work uh...

34:27it's uh... hamas has agreed to give up its weapons that's that's of the deal which by the way you know i'm on the left but you if this deal held i would give trump a lot of credit because did the israelis claim they wanted uh... the hostages back and they wanted uh... hamas disarm and trump got both of them now israel says no we don't want the deal and we're gonna keep seventy percent of gaza so peers you know that i said on this show that this was never about self-defense it was about uh... land acquisition and here they are sitting on seventy percent of gaza they basically forced over 2 million Palestinians into 30 percent of Gaza, which is an open air concentration camp.

35:09So, you know, you ask them about how they took hostages. You know, I think that they shouldn't have killed any civilians and they shouldn't have taken any hostages. Now, Israel takes thousands upon thousands of hostages. They never charge them with any crime. They don't even bother to pretend that they did anything wrong. Then they systematically torture and rape them. So what Israel has done is demonstrably way, way worse than Hamas. So in terms of the hostages, in terms of the occupation, in terms of 70 times the civilians killed, we all know why we don't have peace. There's only one reason, and it's Israel.

35:43So Israel says no to the deal that Trump and Hamas just did. They say no to the deal that Trump did with Iran. They say in that memorandum of understanding they have to leave Lebanon. And Israel says no, we're never going to leave southern Lebanon. This was always about greater Israel. And America, you owe us. You owe us your military. Now 18 Americans have died. And apparently they owed Israel their lives. Over 400 Americans injured, all for Israel. All the wars are for Israel. And so, you know, you can blame Hamas. And I would agree with you on what they did on October 7th and the civilians killed.

36:18But at the end of the day, who deserves more blame, the slaves or the slaveholders? Obviously the slaveholders. Obviously Israel. So they say, well, look, maybe we might liberate you if you grovel at our feet, but then, you know, us, we never listen to any peace deal, so we probably will defy it anyway. So there's nothing that appeases the fascists in Israel. Can we please stop funding them and having our men and women killed for this terrorist state? And if you call Hamas terrorists, OK, no problem, Piers. But you have to acknowledge that Israel is far bigger terrorist organization. They have a worse civilian kill ratio, and they've killed at a bare minimum 70 times the number of civilians.

36:59And you talked about that baby who was taken hostage. They incinerated 23 ,000 children. Why are we helping these Nazis?

37:09Piers Morgan:OK, Matt Tardio, welcome back to you, Dwan Sanstead. What is your response to Cheknyuga? uh it's saying listen i'm holding in front of me um the palestinian or excuse me the homas charter from 2017. can you point to me where it states what the uh actual land of palestine consists of that they say is being occupied right now do you know what it actually says so you know that so a i don't care about the homas charter i care about the policy well you should I know what happened in 1948. Sink, you got your chance to speak. It's mine now. Hold on, Sink. I asked you a specific question. Okay, there's Palestine exists.

37:49No, no, no. I asked you a specific question and you didn't want to. So I'm going to read it for you. This is my response to you. No, I don't give a damn about that charter. Why would I care? Israel voted to enslave the Palestinians forever. You don't care about this? You don't care about what they're saying in the state of Israel. I'm interested. Hang on, hang on. Don't talk over each other.

38:08Piers Morgan:Don't talk over each other. So I'm interested in hearing it. So, Matt, read it to us. Yeah, so this is from paragraph two, the land of Palestine. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Raz al-Nakura in the north to Umm al-Rashash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

38:50When they talk about occupation, they're not talking about Gaza because both Zinc, you, I, we all know that there are zero Israeli troops inside of Gaza on October 7th. Further, when you gave that interview to that spokesperson, you asked him specifically, you know, whether they're going to lay down their arms, how it's going to go. He continued to state that they were going to resist. And what does that resisting, what does that resisting like basically consist of? Well, we can refer to paragraph 25 in their charter. Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws.

39:24At the heart of these lie armed resistance, which is regarded as a strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the Palestinian people by all means and methods. Sink. All means and methods would include rape. It would include murder. It would include burning down villages and all of those things. And you want to sit back and you want to paint them and say they're not a terrorist entity. The United States should stay out of it. You're a U.S. citizen. I didn't say that. Oh, no, wait, you're not. Oh, I'm sorry. Joe Kent. You had stated that. I am a U.S. citizen. I didn't say they were a terrorist organization.

39:57You're doing stupid I was confused. I was confused. Israeli talking points. I was confused. And I'm very happy to answer them. This isn't an Israeli. Hold on. This isn't an Israeli talking point. This is a Hamas talking point. Further, you're a U.S. citizen. You said that we shouldn't do anything about them. What about the U.S. citizens? Namely, let's go with the last one that Hamas killed, a Hirsch Goldberg. He was taken hostage. Should the U.S. have sat idly by and allowed this radical terrorist organization to take U.S. citizens and kill them? What's your stance on that? And Joe, you've asked me a number of questions.

40:25Okay, now you've asked me a number of questions. Can I answer them? absolutely i'd love to hear your so number one yeah okay here we go so number one uh... israel has killed ten u.s. citizens in the last three years no one has been arrested so our government is saying israel is allowed to murder u.s. citizens and we won't ask them to even arrest the people who did it so that is how little the israelis think of u.s. citizens They take our money. They've taken over$300 billion. We haven't sent a dime to the Palestinians. All we do is fund the endless genocides and wars of Israel because they bribe 94 % of our Congress.

41:07They bribe people like you and people in media to pretend that they're innocent. Now, the reality is... How am I bribed, Sink? Hamas is fighting back against an occupation. How am I bribed? No, I don't care. Maybe you grovel to Israel for free. I don't really care why you suck up to Israel when you should be caring about America and our American boys and girls that are dying for Israel for no damn reason. And all of our money being stolen by the Israelis for no reason. And you come on here about, oh, the Palestinians resist their occupation in the wrong way. Hey, I thought I was going to get to answer.

41:42I thought I was going to get to answer. So now you come in here crying about, oh, the Israelis. Okay. So every time he talks over me. So you say, oh, the Israelis are murdering and taking hostages, and for 80 years they've pulverized the Palestinians. And by the way, you mentioned from the river to the sea. Netanyahu has said Israel is going to take from the river to the sea. Hamas's charter is entirely theoretical because they have no power to execute it. Israel actually is executing from the river to the sea, and they did a genocide, and they murdered over 76 ,000 people to do that. And you say, oh, what Israel does from the river to the sea, when they murder 23 ,000 children, no big deal.

42:26But when the Palestinians dare to fight back against their enslavement, all of a sudden, oh, I can't believe what terrorist Palestinians are. It's the least they could do to fight back against those monsters. So the least that Hamas could do to fight back against... Hold on, this is clear. Hold on, this is clear. Hang on. I will let Matt quickly respond to what you just said at the end. The least that Hamas could do to fight back against the monsters was October 7th. That's your stance, to be clear. No, I didn't say October 7th. I said fighting back in terms of resistance against our military.

43:03Oh, resistance. And right now, Israel has a worse civilian kill ratio than Hamas. So if I acknowledge that Hamas is terrorist, then you must acknowledge, you must acknowledge that Israel is worse. I do want to segue. Far, far worse. That's not true. Okay. You acknowledge that the Israeli government is a terrorist government.

43:22Piers Morgan:Gentlemen, gentlemen, I want to segue to Iran before we run out of time. Joe Kent, let me bring you back in here and talk about the Iran situation. I spoke to Donald Trump last night for quite some time, actually. I can say one thing about Trump. He was still up at 1 a.m. in Washington in the Oval Office working. So no one can question the guy's work ethic. But on Iran, he reiterated to me what he said publicly, which is that yesterday was going to be the day that, in his words, the United States would have unleashed the biggest bombardment against Iran that the world has seen since World War II.

43:59Piers Morgan:And it was yanked at the last minute after direct appeals to the president by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and other allies. So, you know, he reiterated that to me. That's clearly what he said publicly. What do you make of where we are here? because we're nearly, what, five, six months into this war that was supposed to be over in two to three weeks. It's clearly not gone the way that Donald Trump hoped or the way that Netanyahu and the Israelis told him it might go. We are where we are with this. The Iranians appear to have a tight control of Australia for Moose. The Gulf states are extremely twitchy about the Americans and Israelis bombarding Iran again in a way that triggers attacks on them, not back in America and Israel, but against Saudi Arabia, against Qatar, against the UAE, against Kuwait, against Bahrain, and so on.

44:48Piers Morgan:That is the asymmetric war the Iranians have been waging, and they've been waging it very successfully, it has to be said. So where do you think we are, Joe, with this war? Right now we're stuck, but I'm really glad that President Trump did not take the bombing action that he was talking about. Look, if there was a military solution to this problem. President Trump would have executed it a long time ago and it would be over. But President Trump has realized there is no military solution to it. And that's what we got in the MOU in the first place. Unfortunately, we cut that same side deal at the same time in Lebanon.

45:21And then we were encouraging ships to go outside the MOU and use the Straits of Hormuz. We returned to hostilities. But President Trump, I think, wants some kind of a formal agreement with the Iranians. The Iranians simply aren't going to give him back. But we are up against the tight timeline of major economic shock coming from what's taking place in the Straits of Bermuda, Baba Mandib with the Houthis. And again, there's no military solution to any of this. So President Trump has a narrow window right where he can get our troops out before we take any more losses, before we are forced to then have to get back into a retaliation cycle that could spin out of control.

45:58He's got a window where we can get out right now. I think he's already realized that most of our bases in the region are nothing more than a strategic liability rather than a strategic asset, because that's what the Gulf allies are telling us as well. So now is the time for him to say, hey, we accomplished all our military objectives. Iran has agreed that they aren't going to have a nuclear weapon because the Iranians agreed with that before this foolish war, but he can just message that that was what we accomplished. He can pull our troops out of the region, and then we can quietly use the carrot of sanctions relief to get the Straits of Hormuz open back to a normal operating situation.

46:31Same thing with the Houthis. We're going to have to restrain the Israelis to accomplish any of this because the Israelis were the ones that got President Trump into this. They're the ones that got us on board with killing the Ayatollah, which unfortunately and tragically has galvanized the Iranian people against us, which is why the diplomacy track is pretty much dead on Iran. That's what we just need to get out right now before this escalates further.

46:54Piers Morgan:Yeah, Rob O 'Neill, I mean, that is certainly my view of this, is I don't see any way this improves the longer it goes on for Donald Trump or the United States' interest in this. There is the ongoing clash with what the Israelis want, which is a different agenda to what the Americans want or should or should want. You know, Trump has the imperative of the midterm elections coming and all the potential political fallout and so on. But from a military point of view, Rob, Given what we've seen in the last five, six months now in this war, is there any way for things to escalate in a way that would actually be a good thing for the United States?

47:34Militarily, I don't want to see an escalation, well, really at all. And I think where they're hitting on the ports and stuff right now, we're good. They're hitting some serious infrastructure right now. But you've got to believe there are some negotiations going on in the back end here, just like there were in Venezuela. Like Maduro had a reason to get out there to do a backdoor deal just because the cartels, he didn't want to be underwater with them. Hopefully, and I'm saying hopefully because they're good at keeping their cars against their chest, there's some backdoor deal here to get a new regime in that doesn't include the Shah.

48:01And again, I'm not in on these, but what I've seen happen with the administration is they're running a business that wasn't run well, meaning this government, they have an unlimited budget. But they could be, just could be playing politics, meaning there are a lot of elections coming up to include Israel right around October, November timeframe. I mean, I wouldn't put it past them to be doing something for some sort of an October surprise, something like that because of how short the attention span of the American public is, the world public. So, you know, I'm trying to be optimistic with it. It seems like no matter what, people are yelling and screaming and fighting, no matter what we do, and it's happened even back in 1978 with Carter and what we did with Egypt there, like Cenk was referring to earlier, with people sitting here yelling at each other, bringing up points about how you did this wrong and you're never going to do this, it's probably not going to solve much, but that's kind of where we are.

48:45I'll try to be optimistic with it. I mean, we look back to even on my birthday, April 10th, 1998, something about the Good Friday up in North Ireland with England. And that's two countries that kind of wanted a truce. That only took 12 years with people who wanted to. And they weren't fanatic ideologues. So, hey, I'm sitting here watching. I'll do what I can to help. And I'll just say what I think is the truth. And I'll leave it at that.

49:09Piers Morgan:Cenk, the problem it seems to me is that if you take Joe's scenario as the least worst scenario, and I agree with him by the way, you could have a situation where for all the words that Donald Trump comes out with if he was to do that, the Iranians keep all their enriched uranium, they keep control of the Strait of Hormuz, maybe even having a new tolling system which they didn't have before this. The IRGC remain in control of the country. There's been no popular uprising at all. You have the Ayatollah's son, who is almost certainly, from all reports, more hardline and radical than his father, probably not least because his father was murdered, in his estimation, you know, at the start of this war.

49:54Piers Morgan:So you've got a situation where the victory, you know, I think Joe's right. You should claim the victory and get the hell out. But it would be actually in reality a very ignominious failure, wouldn't it, based on what the original war aims were supposedly about? So in order to answer that question, let's step back here before the war. So why did we do the war? We claimed that it was for a nuclear weapons program, which they didn't have, right? And so, and we had ended their nuclear weapons program under the Obama deal to begin with right they were shipping out all their uranium they had no chance of enrichment at that point israelis demanded that we get out of that deal so they would have an excuse for this war so what was their actual objective we all know what their objective was destroyed iranian regime neutered completely if they can put in a puppet like the the shot that will serve israel why cuz israel wants to be a regional superpower in fact netanyahu after the war started said that he said this is going to get make a stronger ron weaker we're going to get america to destroy all their ballistic missiles their drones we're going to get regime change now that was their true objective in terms of the american age objectives we have this fake objective of ending a nuclear weapons program that doesn't exist but great let's end it for the second time the third time and now we have a new objective which is to open up the straight over moves because that's what the war created that it being blocked okay but iran has promised to do that now many many times just take the frickin deal and let's get out of there so you're right peers at the end of that iran will it will get what we want no nuclear weapons program straight over moses reopen iran gets what it's more it wants which is to end the war and has stopped being bombed right the region gets stability and peace the only people that'll be unhappy is israel and why because iran will become a little bit stronger because they'll have sanctions relief they might get money from the gulf and now we all know that they can block the Strait of Hormuz whenever we wanted.

51:57But hey, Israel, you gambled, you pushed us into a war, and you thought it would help you be stronger and Iran be weaker. As it turned out, Iran was made stronger by the war. So that's a sad day for you. Honestly, for us, it doesn't really matter who's slightly stronger in the Middle East. We have no business in the Middle East to begin with. And so Israel says, how dare you? Unless you're an anti-Semite, you owe me hundreds of billions of dollars in every war that I want. And you owe me my territorial ambitions of southern Lebanon, southern Syria, Gaza and the West Bank. No, we don't. The American people don't owe Iran or Israel anything, anything at all.

52:39So let's just get our two objectives and for God's sake, get out of there. And if Israel wants to cry, all they ever do is cry, oh, boo-hoo, we didn't get to murder enough Palestinians. we didn't get enough take enough land in the middle east we didn't get to murder enough iranians so what that they're crying so we just have to cut it out and just clearly recognize that the israelis are the bad guys here they're the terror literally the worst civilian kill ratio of any terrorist group in the world and they keep making us spend our blood and treasure on their offensive fascist attacks in the middle east stop funding israel and our relationship completely sorry we're just not that into you the american people are very clear sixty percent on rising saying and our relationship with israel the only question is are any of our government officials going to work for america or are they going to continue to work for israel and by the way on tuesday we might find out because of all the lost site ones in michigan we're going to liberate the democratic party from israel and will at least have one party back representing America.

53:48Piers Morgan:Okay, Matt Tardio, your response to that and your wider view of where we are with the war in Iran and what Donald Trump should do. Yeah, you know, Pierce, I've stated this before on your show where I don't believe that it's about the nuclear weapons program. I think that's the legal excuse for the United States to go in there because in June he said that we had completely and totally obliterated their nuclear weapons program after Operation Midnight Hammer, set them back decades. Then in February, we heard that they were weeks away. Then this June, he had stated that only two countries in the world might be able to get it out, which is going to be either the USA or China in reference to their highly enriched uranium that was buried.

54:23So I do think this is about putting pressure on Russia and China and bringing Russia to the negotiation table over inside of Ukraine. With that set aside towards the Strait of Hormuz into Joe's point, where he said that we went against the MOU, that's not true. In the MOU, it specifically says in that paragraph that's discussing the Strait of Hormuz between Oman and Iran that they must do so in accordance with international law. International law clearly lays the straight-over moves out as international waters. There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Ships are allowed to pass through that water in accordance with international law without Iran's say-so.

54:54So doing anything against international law, agreeing to give them control over it, quite frankly, the United States doesn't have the authority or ability to do so. When it goes down to Sink's points about the Greater Israel Project and all of this other stuff. It's absolute nonsense. Even Israel agreed to withdraw troops in a phased withdrawal. They were going to retrograde and be replaced by the Lebanese armed forces, which are only about 80 ,000 strong. And the United States is going to help build and prop them up in order to start replacing Israeli troops that they could end up pulling out.

55:22The entire thing is a facade. It's just, it's a, how do I want to say this? I don't know how many times you can hear the same talking points out of these guys without any actual intellectual facts that, that, that back them up.

55:34Piers Morgan:okay they control southern Lebanon and 70 % of Gaza now how's that for a fact what does that say? the facts are on the ground the facts are on the ground they control southern Lebanon, southern Syria Gaza and the West Bank as we speak they have 70 % of Gaza you keep telling us they're going to withdraw and they never ever withdraw and in fact they say they're never going to withdraw and in fact the Knesset said that they will never free the Palestinians is. They are literally agreeing saying they're going to be good guys one day, but they're never the good guys. They're always the bad guys. So what is what is the international security force therefore?

56:10Is it so the Israelis can stay there? No, the international security force just made a deal. Trump just made a deal with Hamas. They're going to disarm and Israel's supposed to withdraw. And then Israel said, no, we don't honor the deal. They're going to withdraw. That's the fact. Yeah, so here's why, because point 20 of the plan, the original one, the 20 point plan said that they should not have their weapons, that they're supposed to be disarmed. And point eight of the new deal says that they will store their weapons. Good, they just agreed to it. And we just, hold on, and we just, no, no, they agreed to store their weapons.

56:44And a Hamas spokesperson just said that they're going to continue to resist the occupation. You just heard it yourself. What does resist mean? No, he just, no, but brother, there's different ways of resisting. Automatically, you could resist peacefully. That's not what Hamas means. You could resist through the U.S. Yeah, sure, we can do that. And he just said they're going to turn over all their weapons. But it's never good enough for Israel. That's not according to their charter. That's not according to their sake. So what else do you want? What else do you want? You can use that dictionary definition.

57:11Trump believes that. You can use that dictionary definition. Trump believes that they're going to turn over all their weapons. Or you can use Hamas's definition. So what do you want other than, do you want them to get on their knees? Okay. Do you want them to strip them? What do you want? What other humiliation do you want? You don't, you know, the reality is that you want Israel to own the Palestinian land. Okay. And you're just propagating a mouthpiece for them. No, I don't want them to own it. Are you an American? Hang on. Are you an American? I want to bring in. I want to bring in. Why are you representing a different country?

57:42Piers Morgan:I want to bring in Joe, gentlemen. It seems to be the Kofi Annan figure here that I can bring in when things get too outrageous. Joe, I want to end just with you because of this extraordinary photograph that emerged over the weekend. and you were in this picture. It was at Tucker Carlson's home. You're in there with Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massey, Tucker. What was this? There is word that you're all planning, as Marjorie Taylor Greene put it, a new political movement. What is the movement? Could it be an actual party? What was going on? You know, things are in the initial phases right now, but there is a growing consensus on, I think, both the right and the left, the people who are sick and tired of the Republican Party, they're sick and tired of the Democrat Party.

58:29They want us out of these foolish wars that we're just sitting here talking about right now. Most Americans have no idea what we're talking about. They don't know about Gaza. They don't know about the Straits of Court moves. They just know that billions of their taxpayer dollars, their blood, their treasures, their sons and their daughters continue to get sent overseas. Our best and brightest get killed. Our taxpayer dollars and spent over there while things continue to decay here in america and so what we're trying to do is just build a coalition of people who say we're finally going to put first we're not going to focus on the next foreign war we're not going to listen to foreign lobbies like the israelis we're going to focus on the issues that matter here to the american people and those of us that were there at that table myself tucker thomas massey marjorie taylor green and there's others as well.

59:13We are, I think, people who initially were part of the MAGA movement, the Trump Republican Party, but we feel that we...

59:26Piers Morgan:You were frozen in mid... You were frozen right at the end there. Just to be clear, though, before we close things, could this involve establishing a new party? Look, it certainly could. I mean, if you talk to most Americans out there, they're sick of the Republican Party, they're sick of the Democrat Party. They do want something that actually represents their interests. And again, we don't want any more foreign wars. We don't want any foreign lobbying in our government and we want leadership in America. And it's going to be easy.

1:00:01Piers Morgan:OK, you're having a few little tech issues with you, Joe, at the end there. But we got the message loud and clear. I want to thank you. You're back. Joe, you were freezing a little bit there, but we got the message. We got the answer. Thank you all gentlemen for an extremely interesting debate. I really appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Thank you, Pierce. The rebellion grows. Thank you. The images of 60 ,000 male migrants rushing into Ceuta are shocking and terrifying, no matter what your political views may be. But it's impossible to separate politics from the fallout which has followed. Spain says that almost all of the men have now been sent back across the small border, its exclave shares with Morocco.

1:00:40Piers Morgan:The Trump administration, however, is determined to make an example of a left-wing Spanish government that it does not support. Vice President J.D. Vance said, quote, the images out of Spain are an unfortunate reminder of radical left-wing globalist policies. Well, the president himself called it an invasion and vowed to make Ceuta a talking point in the midterm elections. If we're not in office, our country will be invaded at levels that made Spain look small time. And when I watched it, I said, boy, I said, I'm going to say it because I knew you're going to be at Camp David, they say, that's going to be a talking point for the big terms.

1:01:21Because when you look at what happened to Spain, they don't know what to do. And it's happening again today. They're coming in by the tens of thousands. They're just invading the country.

1:01:32Piers Morgan:Now, to be clear, Ceuta is on the North African coast. It's a Spanish territory. It has been for almost 500 years. But migrants have to claim asylum or they're sent back. Very few make it onto the mainland, but it doesn't stop them trying. Similar smaller crushes happen every couple of years. And critics of Spain's liberal government say a recent amnesty for illegal immigrants drove this extraordinary crush. For his part, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has condemned fake news, prejudice and ignorance, what his officials say influx of this scale required organisation. And that's where the US and Israel have been drawn into this.

1:02:08Piers Morgan:The gleeful commentary from some Israeli and US officials, coupled with the complex bromance between their countries and the Moroccan king, have led many to accuse them of a plot. And it's not just conspiracy theorists. The Moroccan king has just named a major road after Trump. The Donald J. Trump Highway stretches into Western Sahara, a massive disputed territory which the US says belongs to Morocco. Responding to comments by Israel's UN ambassador, Danny Danon, the Spanish transport minister said, Well, it all seems to be becoming quite clear. Mike Huckabee is the US ambassador to Israel, and he rejoins me now on Uncensored.

1:02:48Piers Morgan:Mike Huckabee, welcome back to Uncensored. Well, thank you, Pierce. It's a pleasure to be on, and thanks for having me back. So I want to start with a quote from a Spanish actor, Javier Bardem, a big Hollywood star. He re-shared social media posts blaming Israel for what happened in Ceuta, saying, we don't know who engineered this crisis, but we know who benefits from a weakened, destabilised Spain, colon Israel, and the Western far-right eager to turn migration into a weapon against Muslims. What is your response to that? Because he reflects a lot of the theories being put out. Somehow the Israelis are behind all this.

1:03:28Piers Morgan:It suits them and the Americans to stir things up with the migrants so that it puts pressure on the Spanish prime minister and it exposes the European migrant problem for what it is. It sounds like Javier needs to stick to reading a script that someone else wrote. He's not very good at coming up with his own ideas. That's ridiculous. To say that somehow this is a U.S.-Israel conspiracy and that's why all those young men flooded to the coast, it's nonsense. I mean, I don't know what's next. Israel and the U.S. are going to be accused of the joint kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby back in the 20s, maybe the downing of the Hindenburg.

1:04:06Where does this stop? Everything that seems to happen on earth, somebody has this nutty idea that it must be Israel and or the United States who would be behind it. Why don't you just accept the fact that there were these people who were wanting to get to that part of Spain? They were deported, but I guess I would wonder, since the Spanish have been so very critical of the policies, let's say, of Israel, of not creating a second state for Palestinians, why didn't they create a state for those people that wanted to immigrate to their country?

1:04:43Piers Morgan:Who do you think was behind it? It certainly seemed to have been very well orchestrated and planned. What would your best theory be as to who and why? Honestly, Pierce, I wouldn't have a theory because I think it's really ridiculous for me, or frankly anyone else, who doesn't have any facts about why they came, to just suddenly invent something. I think that's what's wrong in the world today. We have so many people coming up with these wild theories, and most of them don't hold enough water to put in a thimble. And this is a great example where people don't recognize the U.S. and Israel both have plenty on their plates right now.

1:05:25Neither country needs to be inventing some ridiculous conspiracy theory or, more importantly, actually orchestrating the moving of almost 50 ,000 people from one place to the other. I mean, that's a pretty big logistical challenge. And for somebody to just come up out of the clear blue sky, yep, that looks like what Israel and the US is doing, really they need to get a better kind of argument because that one simply falls apart.

1:05:55Piers Morgan:Danny Denon said, Spain, which never misses an opportunity to lecture Israel, has declared a state of emergency in Ceuta following the crisis over its immigration policy. Maybe before it continues lecturing us, it's time to explain to the world why it still maintained colonial enclaves in Africa. Would you agree with that sentiment? I actually would. I know Ambassador Danone. I've known him for over 20 years. I thought it was a pretty good observation. All of this talk about that Israelis are creating a colonised area. What is Spain doing? How come there is this particular piece of property? I think those are valid questions.

1:06:34I'm glad the ambassador raised them.

1:06:36Piers Morgan:Let's just turn, if I may, to several other issues which are probably more in your wheelhouse. One is the deal that's been announced with Hamas. I interviewed earlier the official spokesman for Hamas, who seemed to be going along with the idea this was a deal that could potentially work, whilst at the same time persisting in saying, for example, that on October the 7th, nobody from Hamas committed any crime or deliberately targeted any civilians. And if anyone did, it was a mistake, not a plan, which obviously were abhorrent blood libels that he was spewing. And it made me think of that. I listened to this guy.

1:07:21Piers Morgan:He was the one who, after October the 7th, went on camera and said, we're going to do this again and again and again. And so they were wedded to the annihilation and destruction of Israel. can Israel do any deal with Hamas? Is there any point that you could actually trust Hamas which many view to be a terrorist organization to be any kind of body that you could do a deal with? Well first of all they are a terrorist organization they've been designated that way the United States certainly has designated them that so is Israel and I think most civilized countries in the world would. The reason we know that Hamas did what they did on October 7th because they were proud of it.

1:07:59They were so proud, in fact, that they strapped GoPro cameras to their heads and they videotaped themselves raping, slaughtering, beheading, butchering, massacring women, children, and elderly people. That's how we know they did it. And they boasted about it. They boasted about it online. They boasted about it in phone calls. They boasted about it on the videotape that they shot. They boasted about it as they took the naked bodies of young women who had been kidnapped from the Nova Music Festival and paraded them down the streets of Gaza, beating their dead bodies. So, you know, this guy has zero credibility.

1:08:39And I think that it's very important to understand that if there's any way in which Hamas wants to make a deal, the first thing they have to do is what they said they were going to do last October, and that's they're going to disarm and demilitarize. They haven't done it yet. So when they do, then we can take them a little more seriously. I hope they do. It would be a wonderful gift to the world if Hamas did not have weapons, because if they have them, they're just nutty enough to want to use them to slaughter people, particularly civilians and innocent people. They don't need weapons. They need to disappear and go away.

1:09:18Piers Morgan:If Hamas do keep their word, which I think is highly unlikely, but let's assume for a moment they do, and they do demilitarize. Is there a scenario where the United States and Israel would accept Hamas continuing to be a governing body in Gaza, for example? I don't think so. The president has made it very clear, regardless of what Israel would say. President Trump said repeatedly that Hamas has no future in Gaza. I think they forfeited the future. It would be like asking, would it be okay if the Nazis continued to run Germany after World War II. I can't imagine anyone, I don't care who they are, who would believe that that had any credibility whatsoever.

1:10:01So Hamas has forfeited any hope that they're going to have a role in governing Gaza. What they should hope for is that they would be given some level of asylum that they could get out of Gaza, disappear, find some place to live anonymously in asylum. But the idea that they're going to govern Gaza. I don't think the people in Gaza would tolerate it, much less the United States or Israel, or hopefully any other civilized country in the world.

1:10:31Piers Morgan:Let's just pivot quickly to Iran. I spoke to President Trump on Sunday night about this, and he reiterated to me what he was saying publicly, that he was ready, locked and loaded, to launch the biggest bombardment of Iran that the world had seen since World War II. Would that have been a smart move if the president had gone ahead with that kind of strike? You know, the only person who can make that decision is the president. All of us who work for him trust his instincts. If he says it's time to go, we're going to be behind it. If for whatever reason, in having talked to many people in the Gulf countries.

1:11:13And they urged him to give, as John Lennon would so brilliantly say, give peace a chance to give one more round of negotiations and opportunity. And he made that decision. So let's see if it works. Let's hope it does. But if it doesn't, I think the president has also made it very clear that there is the military option. It's on the table. And if he takes it, it's not going to be a mild tap. It is going to be overwhelming.

1:11:40Piers Morgan:This war has not been going the way Donald Trump thought or the way he was told it would go by the Israelis when they met with him in the White House Situation Room before it began. Would it not be better politically, economically, putting aside anything else, for the United States to extricate itself from this war, claim a victory, you know, do what Trump does very well, you know, just paper over the cracks and just say, look, we've achieved these aims, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and just get the head out of this. Well, first of all, I was in the situation room when that discussion was held, and I do disagree with any narrative that says that the Israelis talked Donald Trump into it.

1:12:23That simply did not happen. Nobody talked him into anything. Pierce, you know, President Trump really well. You've known him a long time. You know him better than most people who do interviews on TV. And I think it's pretty fair to say that he is not a man that is easily led around by the nose. The idea that the Israelis came in and sold him something is probably just one of the more preposterous things. It was based on the fact that for over 47 years, Iran has been saying death to America. They've begged, pleaded, worked, strived to build a nuclear weapon. And for what purpose? To first destroy Israel.

1:13:01That's always been their goal. That's the appetizer. But ultimately, they've said this for 47 years. Their goal is to annihilate America. America is the entree. And so a lot of Americans may not have even been around in 1979 when the Ayatollahs took power and they frog marched, blindfolded embassy employees across the embassy grounds, held them hostage, 51 of them for 444 days. I remember it quite well. And I remember the humiliation that we felt in America. I remember the chanting of death to America, the burning of our flags and the threats that have never ceased, nor have they ever moderated.

1:13:40I think the president was looking after how can I best protect the American public? The proxies of Iran are already in the Western Hemisphere. Hezbollah alone is in 12 Western Hemisphere countries. The idea that this is some unique Middle East issue or it's only an Iranian-Israeli issue is utter nonsense. These people have ambitions not necessarily to rule the world, but to destroy every part of it that does not agree with their radical Shia philosophy.

1:14:11Piers Morgan:The problem, it seems to me, with this war is that the Iranians have worked out that if you control the Strait of Hormuz and you terrorise your Gulf state neighbours by firing off rockets and missiles at them, thereby destabilising their business models based around, come here, it's sunny, it's safe, it's exciting and so on. that by working that out in this kind of asymmetric war they've been waging, that has, in many people's eyes, emboldened the Iranian regime rather than dismantled them. I think one of the problems, Pierce, is that the Iranians don't think rationally. They don't think in a way that Westerners think.

1:14:51Any attempt to Americanize their worldview or the way that they will approach an issue is fatal on its face. they don't look at life like we look at life, like most of Western countries look at life. They look at it completely differently. So for them, whether this takes 10 years or a thousand years, their goals don't change. Their methods might get more sophisticated. But I think the president's doing something that is the right way to look at it. First of all, he's prepared to bomb them, but he's also focused on bankrupting them because he knows that if they don't have money, if their economy collapses, if the people get fed up with watching this government, this Iranian regime, brutalize its own people, murdering tens of thousands of them for simply protesting, and then making life miserable for the rest of them, there may come the moment at which the people of Iran say, that's enough.

1:15:49And they're the ones who, if anyone, will take down the regime and give the Persian Empire, the Persian culture, the Persian people an opportunity to once again live free and thrive, as they once did, quite nobly. Final question for you, Ambassador Huckabee. I really appreciate you coming on the program again.

1:16:11Piers Morgan:Israel's global popularity has been plummeting in the last two years in particular, and notably in the United States, where now nearly two-thirds of Americans have a negative view of Israel, where half the country thinks Netanyahu should be arrested when he comes to the United States. As somebody who is based in Israel, who knows the Israeli people very well, this has got to be a concern, hasn't it? Again, my interview with the Hamas spokesman, one of the things he said is that, however you want to categorise what they did on October 7th, I view it as a despicable terror attack. He obviously views it as something else.

1:16:50Piers Morgan:But however you view it, I questioned that the strategy had obviously failed. And he countered by saying, but look how unpopular Israel now is, suggesting that they had in some way provoked an overreaction from Israel, as many people see it, which has made Israel increasingly a global pariah. Does that concern you? Of course it does, because it's unfair. It's unfounded. It concerns me a great deal because obviously there's an enormous propaganda campaign that is aimed against Israel and against the Jewish people. And I think that's really disturbing to me because the entirety of the number of Jews on the entire face of the earth is 16 million, half of whom live in Israel.

1:17:38The other half mostly live in the U.S., mostly New York, maybe Miami. me. But the idea that a people, a very small minority of point zero five percent of the population of the world is somehow the biggest threat to the world on its face. Pierce, that's crazy. I mean, that is the kind of thing that you just scratch your head and say, really? But they are up against a multibillion dollar propaganda campaign and a lot of money being spent in the United States on university campuses, on social media. The bots are everywhere painting a picture of the Jewish people as a whole and the Israelis specifically that is simply absolutely unfounded.

1:18:28And I say that as somebody who's been coming to this country for 53 years, since 1973, who lives here now as the U.S. ambassador and who interacts with the Israelis every single day of my life. And it is appalling to me, the reputation that has been thrust upon them. And it is ridiculously and horribly unfounded. I just want the truth to be told. Israelis aren't perfect. Jewish people aren't perfect. None of us are. But the blood libels that are thrown upon them should be really something that every civilized, every thoughtful, every intellectually capable person, every knowledgeable person would say, say what you want about the Israelis, about the Jewish people, but these things that are being said, they're just not true.

1:19:19And they're demonstrably untrue. Ambassador Huckabee, I really appreciate you coming back on the center. Thank you very much. Thank you, Pierce. Always a pleasure. Hope to see you again soon.

1:19:28Piers Morgan:Well, joining me now to discuss the Sayyouta crisis. and who is behind it is Alvisi Perez, the EU lawmaker and leader of the party is over, and Miguel Mora, the journalist and director of Revista Contexto. Well, welcome to both of you. Alvisi Perez, it's a weird story this to watch from where I am currently in Los Angeles because one moment you had 60 ,000 people pouring over a border in an apparent invasion, inarguably, and the next minute, most of them, 58, 59 ,000, had been sent right back where they came from. So it all seemed to be over very quickly. What is your overview of what's actually happened here?

1:20:15Well, thank you for inviting me, Beers. Well, as you said, they said everybody went back, but their own police stopped in the country, so they don't know. Nobody knows, actually. There are still thousands of people in the city, and Italy still has control so on Spaniards so it's not over I think it's just post and about who's behind all this game well I was there on Friday Pierce so I'm not speaking from from a newsroom and and I actually see Morocco saw itself to Washington and to our friends of Israel has their wall in North Africa against Iran against Algeria against Russia that's the deal And because of that deal, Rabat gets everything.

1:20:58As you know, the Sahara weapons, satellites, money, and pays for nothing. And then Sanchez goes to Algiers, Hughes, the other side. And only nine days later, as you said, 60 ,000 people are in the water. I'm not saying, of course, that America or Israel ordered this, God save me. Rabat did it. But Rabat does it because it knows nobody will punish them. So Spain is not playing this game. And Piers thinks just in the table when they play.

1:21:28Piers Morgan:Okay. Miguel Amora, welcome to Ancensi. What's your response to that? Thank you, Piers, for the invitation. And, well, I surprisingly agree with Alvice in his comment, in his argument. We are on the opposite political sides. But it's true that I think that Rabat has done it, has tolerated it, because they knew that Israel and the United States would be fine with that. I think nobody can mobilize 50 ,000 people, 60 ,000 people without the permission of the king of Morocco. That's unbelievable. So it's also difficult that Israel or America could have organized it, but everybody tolerated it. That's for sure.

1:22:19I'm sure the Mossad knew what was going to happen. I'm sure the CIA knew what was going to happen. So nobody told. Nobody told anything. So that's the idea. I mean, everybody knew, nobody told.

1:22:35Piers Morgan:But what would be the point of doing it if so quickly the vast majority were sent straight back where they came from? What is the purpose of this? I think it is a message that Morocco sends to Spain. they have done it before, it's not the first time they do it. Whenever there's something they don't like in the Spanish position, they tend to use migration to pressure or to blackmail Spain. That is a tradition already. And there is also an element of hybrid warfare in the episode, Because, I mean, Israel and America has been very clear in the last months about the Spanish disloyalty with OTA and NATO and with Israel.

1:23:31Because we have to remember the Spanish government has been quite the only one in Europe that has denounced the genocide in Palestine, in Gaza. and who was one of the first that recognized the Palestinian state. And it's the same thing with Trump. Trump is very upset with Sánchez, we know that. And he has been threatening Spain with cutting all trades agreements, with cutting the tourist visits to the country. I mean, Israel and America have been threatening Spain for a long time now. And obviously, Morocco is now a new ally with Israel and America. They have supported the Sahara plan for the king of Morocco.

1:24:25And Spain had to do that as well. But we have to remember that Sanchez went to Algiers like two weeks ago. and he signed a new increment on the exportations of gas in the importations. So that's another fact that would have triggered the episode we live in Ceuta.

1:24:50Piers Morgan:Alvisé Perez, the United States have responded via Donald Trump and J.D. Vance. Trump called it a catastrophe. It looks like an invasion of a country by hundreds of thousands of people. We know now it was about 60 ,000. J.D. Vance, his vice president, wrote on X, these images out of Spain are an unfortunate reminder of the consequences of mass migration and the radical left-wing globalist policies that have enabled the invasion of the West. You know, again, there are many people, conspiracy theorists or maybe actual theorists, we don't know yet, but there are many people who think this was deliberately orchestrated, not just for some of the reasons Miguel put forward, but also because it is a very helpful tool for those on the political right in Europe to say, well, there you go.

1:25:40Piers Morgan:This is the problem, right? Mass migration is becoming the big issue in Europe. It's completely uncontrolled. And until people get a grip on this, then we're going to have this kind of chaos. What do you say to that? Well, thank you for the question. You know, I'm a politician, a new one, but I still suffer a lot when death arrives to politics. Can I say something about death? We talk about numbers all night, more than 70 people, some were kids. I saw the picture of their bodies. they drone at night because somebody told them the doors open go swim and who did that well i will say the name because nobody in europe states mohammed the sixth it's his government his police look away his influencers made the videos those deaths are his and they're also madrid and brussels because they know who this man is and they keep sending money and kissing his hand.

1:26:43So I'm very, very angry with this and about who's, you know, and they call us conspiracy conspiracy theory. No, it's not a conspiracy. It's not a theory is a pattern. Morocco has maybe, you know, this a national holiday celebrating the Green March the day they pushed 350 ,000 civilian over a border and to all Sahara, the Sahara. They brought up this method in 2021. They did it in Ceuta and the European Parliament condemned them for using migrants, even children as pressure. And then what happened and what USA says? Nothing. Zero. And they did it again. Five times bigger. And this week, our Guardian Civil detected Moroccan intelligence agents inside the crones and gendarmes moving people in trucks.

1:27:3060 ,000 people in two days, Pierce. That's not weather. That's a tap. And the tap is in the real palace of Morocco.

1:27:38Piers Morgan:Yeah, Miguel, Alvice went down to the area. Many people think that he was whipping up a sort of inflammatory reaction, making things worse, not better. What do you feel? Would you criticise him for doing that? Well, I went to sit up for a legal rally. I'll thrive. I'm a man, as you know. I finished with a police escort and bottles flying over my head and the mob was shooting literally. Celta is Muslim. And that's not true. That's not religion, by the way. That's Rabat's slogan for our territory to put, you know, religion in the discussion. The police have identified the leaders of that move and these radicalized people of Moroccan origin individuals with names.

1:28:21I'm not talking about the community. I know that populist I'm talking about the specific men the police identified. And you know what happened after a minister of my government says that I was the one spreading hate me. 60 ,000 people across his border. They threw bottles at a member of the Opeyan parliament at me and his problem is my megaphone. I think the arson is finishing the smoke detector, as you said in England.

1:28:48Piers Morgan:Miguel, what did you think of what Elvise did? I think the community took him back to the peninsula and the people didn't want him there because they had enough with with what they had in those days. And it hasn't been only Albise, some other commentators and agitators from the far right have gone to Ceuta these days, and they have also been sent back. So we probably have to think about Ceuta, about one of the European cities where the life between Muslims, Christians, Jews, and all kinds of religions is better in these days. I mean, we have to see like that, like an example of good colliding between religions.

1:29:50So trying to be Islamophobic or to find here the element of religion is always very dangerous. And it leads to things like, if we are going to make a supremacist, end of supremacist speech, things will end like they are in Gaza now or in Lebanon. And I think that's all the way. And about your previous question, Pierce, about Europe, I think it's very, very relevant how Meloni, the prime minister of Italy, rushed to condemn the invasion and to condemn Pedro Sánchez for not avoiding it. We have to say that the data are just the opposite. that Spain is receiving less people from the borders than Italy, like half of it, and that the deportations are bigger in Spain than in Italy.

1:30:59And another thing that nobody is saying, which is true, is that Italy is regularizing migrants under the table, and as much migrants as Spain is regularizing now. So both countries are doing the same thing. The only problem with Maloney is the new far-right party, even up in Italy, and she's very bad in the polls, so she has to do that speech. And by the way, the only thing, the only victim apart the 90 people who have been there in the border in Ceuta. In this episode I think it's the European Union. And I think this is very sad how the European Union has divided it. It was clear that solidarity was the only way to resolve the battle.

1:32:08Piers Morgan:okay obviously i'll give you a very quick chance to respond we've we're almost out of time but very quickly what's your response yeah not only i heard miguel's directly call me uh and people that they in ceuta islamophobics and far right you know he directs a magazine called context good here the context miguel 2021 european parliament 397 votes morocco condemned for using migrants including children has political pressure. The socialists vote just too. Were they all for a right? Look, at some point, for a right just means the people who notice. So you can publish that, Miguel, free. OK, gentlemen, I'm going to leave it there.

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