'You Don't Stand Up To Evil, You LOSE!' Iran Ground Invasion | Feat John Kiriakou & Rudy Giuliani

24:12Piers Morgan:Yeah, I was eight actually then. I do remember it vaguely, but I think the trouble is no one's learned the lessons from history. And I look at what's going on, and I think you were the Deputy Supreme Allied Commander for Europe. You see some of the rhetoric coming out of Donald Trump now, very bellicose and negative about Europe, about NATO, about what he perceives to be the lack of cooperation here for Operation Epic Fury. if you were still in your old job? How would you be handling this? Well, I think I would make the assumption that Donald Trump has pretty much single-handedly torpedoed NATO as an alliance.

24:53You have to understand, NATO is an alliance which flourished for pretty nearly 80 years. And it's based on trust. It's based on common values. It's based on the doctrine of collective defence, that the alliance is there to support an ally if attacked, the famous Article 5. From the moment we saw Trump, too, come into power, we saw Vance and Hegseth announce very clearly that America was not going to underwrite European security. Now, I get that because the Europeans, frankly, have been freeloading from America for decades. And so there's a part, you know, Europe has a part to play in this. But then move forward.

25:33The fact that two months ago, Donald Trump threatened to attack the territory of a NATO ally, Denmark, over Greenland. Nobody has forgotten that. Europeans will not forget that. That is a grotesque breach of trust that the lead dog in the pack turns on the other, a smaller dog in the pack, as it were. So no surprise that no NATO ally is prepared to support Trump in this particular ill-starred mission. No surprise for a start, because it's not a NATO operation. NATO does not cover the territory of the Persian Gulf or the Arabian Gulf. And absolutely, it does not support an ally launching an unprovoked, although you may argue that, but an attack which could well be construed as illegal against a party that had not attacked it.

26:29So there's no way that NATO should or could support it. But the message for NATO now is that NATO's got to put its act together. The European members of NATO have got to get their act together, recognise that, yes, they have to maintain links with America, and certainly in the UK's case, the intelligence and the military links are much deeper than political. They are built on, frankly, shoulder to shoulder, brothers and sisters in arms over many years. But that America, as an alliance ally, a member of the alliance, is not going to play a central part. So Europe needs to step up to the mark. And drawing on Mark Carney's words from Davos, develop and build an alliance based on the middle powers, which it can do if it's prepared to make the necessary sacrifices and European leaders are prepared to show the necessary leadership.

27:22Piers Morgan:In one word, is the special relationship done, over, kaput? I think the special relationship is a fantasy put about, if I may say so, peers, by the media and politicians. It died, if it ever was one, it died in 1956 at Suez and it's crazy to go on banging on about the special relationship. Couldn't be clearer. General Schiff, thank you very much, Steve, for joining me. I appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Well, back to my panel now. I'm pleased to say we've been joined by the former CIA officer, John Kiriakou, who I'll come to in a moment. John, welcome back to you. General Kimmich, you were shaking your head throughout a lot of that interview with a British former general.

28:04Piers Morgan:You didn't agree? Well, a couple of things. He first said that NATO has never operated in that region. He's just absolutely wrong. Operation Ocean Shield was conducted by NATO as part of the counter piracy operations. So they have been there before. Second, the special relationship is not something that simply was a whim of the media. I lived that my entire 30 plus years in the military. I served side by side with Brits. We shared intelligence and we shared foxholes. So I think that special relationship still exists. and this notion about in his lifetime, he had never seen something this whacked up.

28:43For God's sakes, the 300 ,000 dead and wounded at Gallipoli because of British arrogance seems to me a fairly good comparison. So it just always bothers me when somebody with a nice Oxbridge accent comes on and starts lecturing to the Americans. You're sounding a little... And one last point. There is a solution to the Strait of Hormuz, which is I do not believe that Iran wants to fight with the British, the French, the Germans. 1981 to 1989, the United States flagged and escorted Kauai tankers in and out of the Strait of Hormuz. We can't do that this time because the Americans are belligerents.

29:29I wrote an article recently, and the title was, Where Are the Allies? So why aren't the allies like Britain and France and Germany who have far better capabilities in countermeasure, and they're not active belligerents in this war, why are you not escorting the tankers in and out? China would join you as well. So as everybody is wringing their hands as the United States is bringing the world economy to its knees, Why doesn't Britain and France and, you know, God forbid NATO take on that mission? Just out of interest, General, where were you educated? The United States Military Academy and Bishop O 'Connell High School, a trade school in Arlington, Virginia.

30:13Piers Morgan:You have a remarkably eloquent and clipped American accent, I have to say. From being around the Brits, it's that special relationship I've had with the Brits over these years. John Kiriaki, welcome back to Uncensored. Let's just talk for a moment about the domestic jeopardy that I think Donald Trump is risking here. And I think it's significant. The polling is terrible. It's the first time I can remember an American armed forces at war, even if they're not calling it that, which has not had the majority support of Americans. Gas prices are skyrocketing. Food prices are and will go higher because of the issue with the fertilizer.

30:56Piers Morgan:You've got the midterm elections coming. I mean, General Kimmett thinks he's already given up that. I'm not sure that's how Trump will be thinking. But certainly all the polling again suggests that the Republicans could lose both the House and the Senate now if this continues the way that it's going. It just seems a hell of a throw of the dice by Trump. And I'm increasingly thinking he's made a massive miscalculation. What's your view? Oh, I think this is a disastrous miscalculation. Where do you even begin? You know, there's a very significant split right now within the Republican Party here in the United States.

31:35There were a lot of Republican voters who voted for Donald Trump because they believed that he really was the no foreign wars president. You might recall February 14th, Valentine's Day 2016, during a Republican debate in which Donald Trump called George W. Bush a war criminal for getting the United States involved in the war in Iraq. And now all of a sudden, it's as though it's John McCain's neoconservative Republican Party again. It seems to me that Trump surrounded himself with some people like Tulsi Gabbard, for example, and J.D. Vance, who reportedly have been opposed to these foreign interventions, but then others like Marco Rubio, who is sort of the successor to the John McCain wing of that party.

32:29And the party and the president himself don't know which direction to go. I'm very, very disappointed.

32:36Piers Morgan:I'd add Lindsey Graham into that. Lindsey Graham. I think he's been extremely vocal. You're 100 % right. It's so true about the split in the party. I saw Matt Walsh yesterday from the Daily Wire making the point that almost every Republican he's been talking to is against this war. And he said, A, that's highly unusual when you have a Republican administration that's gone to war for Republicans to be as against it as he is hearing personally, anecdotally. He thinks he's not showing up yet properly in the polling. But I saw a thing about enthusiasm for the midterms, and I think the Republican enthusiasm now is down to like 60 % and falling like a stone, right?

33:20Piers Morgan:Which, again... That's the danger. And I think that's the kind of quiet... Yeah. That's the quiet voice there of people saying, we don't get this. this guy, the whole point of Trump was he would not take us into foreign wars, especially in the Middle East, and definitely no boots on the ground. You know, I do think if he commits boots on the ground and it goes even half wrong, as many military strategies think it could, then I think this becomes his legacy. And again, I just asked the question. Oh, I think that's it. I would ask it to the president myself if he calls me. I would just say, why did you do it now?

33:57Piers Morgan:I don't get it. I don't think I've ever seen a gathering of more spineless people in my entire life. This is just simply, it's like a vacuum, Pierce. Like President Trump woke up one morning and decided to go attack Iran because Israel convinced them as if Iran does not pose a nuclear threat, as if there's no... Hang on, hang on, hang on. What would be the right one for you, Pierce, to say that they're an imminent threat? Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on, hang on, hang on. We'll take your incel, but let me just respond. The reason people think that's what happened is because that is what the Secretary of State of the United States told everybody on camera.

34:33Piers Morgan:Just to remind you, Marco Rubio said when he was asked, why did America take preemptive action in this way? He said because another country, brackets Israel, had informed the United States they were attacking Iran and the expected result would be that Iran would, under that incidence, it would then attack American interests and therefore they had to get in first. And J.D. Vance has also said the same thing. We're not making this up. This is something coming out of the mouths of the senior people in the administration. Piers, why did Trump join the 12-day war at the end of the war? Well, the 12-day war...

35:10Israel had been fighting alone for 11 and a half days. Why did Trump swoop in and take out these nuclear reactors? Because he believes that a nuclear Iran poses a major threat. Marco Rubio, Pete Hegseth, they've all said many different things, We were told that threat was eliminated. The president himself said that Iran has killed tens of thousands of Americans over the years. He understands the American people, this is their story. They don't need a reason to understand that there's evil in the world and stand up for evil. And by the way, the Brits are the ones who taught us this. Sure. The importance of standing up against evil.

35:47What I don't understand about any of the people you brought on, Are we just then going to surrender and let Iran just grow into a nuclear armed terror regime? Or does anyone, including you, have another idea of how to prevent this?

36:01Piers Morgan:Yeah, I think the honest answer about that is that... I didn't think so. Well, I haven't answered. Well, while we're doing that, I'm going to take a look at my spine here. Apparently it's been eviscerated. Well, not all of you, but some of you. I see three with spines, including myself here. So you're one of the... But there's nothing... Look, I don't think there's anything particularly heroic or courageous about launching the biggest military attack of modern times with the most overwhelmingly powerful military in history against Iran. That doesn't take particularly... It's not to be a hero. Who needs to be a hero?

36:41No, I don't understand what the...

36:43Piers Morgan:I don't agree that there was an imminent impending threat. I think the imminent... What would it take? What would it take? Well, let me answer. The only imminent impending thing was that Benjamin Netanyahu told Trump, we're going to attack. We now know from Antony Blinken, a previous secretary of state, that he tried the same thing with Obama and Biden, told them he was going to attack. And then both Biden and Obama said, well, we're not coming with you. And then guess what? Israel didn't attack. And that is why people believe, when you add Rubio's comments and Vance's comments, that what happened here is that Netanyahu railroaded Donald Trump into going along with this in a way that was actually rejected by Biden and Obama.

37:27Piers Morgan:And the actual threat, which is we're going to do it anyway, he probably wouldn't have done it anyway if it wasn't for the Americans. So, you know, history will tell us, I guess, the answers to these questions. But it was fascinating to me that Blinken said what he said. And as to where we are now, how does it square? Surely, Doran, you must see the unbelievable risk of committing ground forces to Iran to get enriched uranium from deep under the ground when we know how heavily protected it is and we know how cunning the Iranians have so far been in the way they've responded in this war. I think it's a terrifying potential escalation that could lead to the deaths of many, many, many Americans.

38:08Piers Morgan:right and I say I say for what where was the impending threat where was the evidence it takes me back to 2003 here's the evidence hang on you say I'm spineless let me answer you about spying I was editor of the Daily Mirror newspaper in the UK one of the biggest selling newspapers in the world at the time I took on my own government Tony Blair the Labour government we were a Labour supporting newspaper I waged one of the most ferocious campaigns against a war in media history and it failed. And we know what happened in Iraq. Because I did not believe that there was the evidence that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, or that he was about to use them, or hit London in 45 minutes, or any of that bullshit.

38:50Piers Morgan:And you know what? It turned out, very sadly, I was right. And yet, 20 years later, utter mayhem followed that illegal invasion, as I see it. So I don't think it's necessarily lacking in a spine to say sometimes that these wars are wrong and they're fought on false pretexts and that the public is entitled to stand up and say, not in my name. That actually can often take more courage than simply dropping a load of bombs on people. Pierce, we see that Iran has fired now thousands of ballistic missiles, including those that land in Israel and population centers. They fired two ballistic missiles towards Diego Garcia, which, yes, had they not fired them to the east and they fired them to the west, could have landed in London.

39:35The warhead on a single ballistic missile, if it's a ton and a half, do you know what the impact zone is? It's 100 square blocks in London. What would it take for you to acknowledge that there's actually an imminent threat? We have ballistic missiles landing all over. When the nuclear warhead is on the ballistic missile and it's on its way to Israel, do we then say, okay, this is an actual threat? Or do we stand up today against a terror regime that has developed proxies throughout the Middle East that created Hezbollah, created Hamas, created the Houthis, took over the United States embassy in Iran, has driven trucks and blown up hundreds of Marines and have tried.

40:16MI5 has prevented 22 mass casualty terror attacks in London since 2022. What does it take?

40:23Piers Morgan:Okay, let me bring John back in. John, your response to that. Where do you even begin? The Iranians have been reactive to this, not proactive. You know, people watch on the news what's happening in Lebanon, in Gaza, in the West Bank, in Syria. There has to be a response. You can't just say, well, you know what, we're an existential threat to the Israelis. So, of course, the Israelis are going to have to bomb us. That's that's just not real life. I can tell you in all the years that I was in the CIA, no matter who the Israeli prime minister was, every single time an Israeli prime minister came to Washington, no matter who the president happened to be, the Israelis would say, please help us bomb Iran.

41:13Please help us bomb Iran. Please help us bomb Iran. And the president's always said no until this one. I think that President Trump was duped by Benjamin Netanyahu, and now we're in a war that is not ours from the beginning and that we cannot win. And this is another thing, too. My own experience in the CIA and at some of the highest levels of government, I was the executive assistant to the CIA's deputy director throughout the Iraq war. There's never an exit strategy. It's easy to attack a country. It's easy to overthrow a government. But then what do you do? That's the hard part.

41:53Piers Morgan:Right. I mean, Eamon Dean, that is the reality. And that is why Donald Trump was always so vocal. I'm not going to do this. And yet here he is. He's doing it to the biggest place he could possibly be doing it, with the greatest risk. And that's the bit I don't understand. I think you're one of the spineless three, so maybe you'd like to respond to... No, he's got a spine. Oh, he's got a spine. OK, great. We're down to two. OK, we're down to two spineless people. So just the CIA guy and the guy that rightly called the wrong illegal wars. Got it. OK, look, this war was going to happen by hook or crook, because at the end of the day, you know, the Iran represented not the perfectly rational, logical player in the established global order.

42:49You know, in this poker table, the global poker table where the Russians, the Chinese, the Brazilians, the Indians, the Europeans, the Americans, you know, you see, at the end of the day, if you come to the poker table and you try to cheat and undermine everyone and to try, I mean, to be absolutely loutish and brutish about it. At the end of the day, you will be escorted out of the premises unceremoniously, and then you will be terminated with extreme prejudice. And this is the problem with people who don't understand that the Iranian threat was accumulatively growing stronger and more dangerous as the years progress.

43:25Again, what is so normative about Iran's politics in the region? You have to understand that Iran was expanding across the region, a region that actually contained more than 50 plus percent of the world's traditional energy reserves. And that is a threat to the global established financial order that is backed by the dollar as a reserve currency. You cannot allow Iran to become the hegemon of the entire region, and then Iran can do whatever it wants when it comes to charging for the petrol with other currencies, undermining the status of the U .S. dollar as the reserve currency of the world. if you if you allowed Iran like in I mean to have such unchecked power across the region is going to be tremendously I mean as always President Trump say tremendously you know dangerous to the status of the United States you know financial system as the financial system of the world you know and add to this the fact that you cannot like in I mean basically say that Iran's politics and in a rhetoric towards its neighbors, it's not just only Israel.

44:40Some people are always saying it was an existential threat towards Israel. Since I was a child, their entire rhetoric wasn't just only about Israel and America. It was also about Saudi Arabia. It was about Kuwait. It was about the UAE. The fact that the UAE, trading with Iran for more than 40 years, and at the first sign of trouble, they threw more than 2 ,500 ballistic missiles and drones at the UAE. What does that tell you? It tells you basically that their entire plan, their entire military strategy was about hegemony over the oil rich neighbors. As simple as that. They recruited so many young men, 700 ,000, to be part of non-state actors, you know, illegal non-state actors.

45:25In what world can we tolerate that? And the United States, at the end of the day, if they want for the America first crowd, America cannot be first at home if it's not first abroad, if it's not first overseas. Because at the end of the day, the entire economic system of the United States depends on it being the hegemon of the world and the guardian of the maritime global established order, the maritime imperial.

45:56Piers Morgan:OK, but look, you're making an assumption that America is going to win this. And I think I think that's quite an assumption to make right now. Yes, it is. Because because at the end of the day is the calculus of the firepower. OK, at the end of the day, despite all the rhetoric of Iran. We will see whether whether the firepower alone can win this war. It's not just only firepower at the end of the day. What is the victory? Arabs always say, you know, that victory is just to be patient. is your patience outlast your enemies. Yeah, and my guess is... And here is basically the thing. Yeah, but my guess is...

46:30There is no economic patience in Iran anymore. Three more people said their economy will collapse.

46:35Piers Morgan:My guess is that the Iranians will have a lot more patience than Donald Trump. We shall see. We shall see. We will see. All right, we'll have to wait and see. I've got to leave it there. Panel, thank you. Interesting debate. Thank you very much indeed. Well, I'm pleased to say that I'm joined now by Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor and lawyer to President Trump. Rudy, welcome back to Uncensored. How are you, Piers? I'm good. I've missed you. You well? Me too. You're doing very well. Thank you. We don't agree completely, but I really appreciate your ability to really put out both sides.

47:08I want to compliment you on what you did do, Fuentes. Oh, thank you. That was one of the best interviews I've ever seen, ever. Oh, well, thank you. Particularly after he basically got that interview from Tucker where Tucker put him on his lap and was patting his head.

47:27Piers Morgan:Well, I think the people like Fuentes, you've got to challenge them. That's the point. You can't give them a free run. No, and you did it really well. You did it without being nasty. You're like a good cross-examiner. I would have hired you as an assistant. Do you know what? I sometimes think I wish I'd been a lawyer, but that's for another life, Rudy. Let's talk about Iran, Rudy. You've said, I think, that Trump is reasserting himself on the global stage. Do you still feel that a month in? I do. I do. And, you know, I have to tell you, knowing him 40 years, I can tell you that his views on Iran go back long before all...

48:10I mean, in the 1980s, he's actually on record talking about it, but I can remember having conversations with him where we both felt, particularly after the Marines were hit in Lebanon, we wondered why Ronald Reagan didn't take him out. After taking the hostages, embarrassing the hell out of the United States, and then killing our Marines, I think this is like, this should have happened like 35 years ago. and a lot of people would be alive today, and the world would be a lot better. We can't live with nuclear weapons in the hands of an irrational regime. This is not Putin. This is not Xi Jinping.

48:59They're terrible people. They're very evil, but they're not irrational. They don't want to die. The Ayatollah and the people around him, they're actually displaying the fact that they do want to die. The Ayatollah knew he was going to get hit. He sat there and I think he thought he was going to go up to paradise and find his 72 virgins. So this really fits in what my biggest hero used to say, Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan used to say, mutually assured destruction is the way we kept this world together for a long, long time during the Cold War. But it's immoral because it rests on the fact that both sides have to have a rational leader.

49:41You get a crazy man in either spot, goodbye world. And we got a crazy man who wants to get nuclear weapons, has already killed thousands of Americans, chants every week that he wants death to America. I don't know how much more of a threat you have to have.

50:03Piers Morgan:But given he's been replaced, it appears, by his son, although we haven't seen the son, as Supreme Leader. And the son has now lost his father, his mother, his wife, and two of his kids, reportedly, may even have died himself. We just don't know. But clearly, the ideology hasn't died. The IRGC remain in place. And I just think, and General Kimmich just shared this concern, that if America was to now commit ground forces into Iran to try and get, for example, the enriched uranium. It could be one of the most dangerous operations American forces have ever engaged in. And if, as you say, you're dealing with unstable people who don't mind dying for their cause, does that not concern you, Rudy?

50:48Piers Morgan:Of course it concerns me. I mean, when we lost our first soldier, you say to yourself, is it worth it? And now we're 13. But the reality is, It worries me more that we have a world in which a I mean, at one point, Iran was a substantial power in the Middle East. It looked like they had a they had an empire across the northern part of the Middle East and they control Syria. They control Lebanon. They had three or four proxies that were extremely dangerous. I mean, Hezbollah was undefeatable at one point, we thought. So to let them move back into that situation again puts the whole world in danger.

51:37Why do you think they shot that missile that went, what did it go, 2 ,000, 2 ,500 miles? They wanted to show Europe, you know, we can hit you at this point. And they've actually attacked the Emirates more than they have Israel. Right. which has to tell you that their aim here is either totally irrational or it's to be the dominant power in the Middle East.

52:06Piers Morgan:Or there's a third way you could look at it, which is it shows you they're actually being quite rational and quite cunning. They know they can't compete with America stroke Israel militarily. They can't compete with the military firepower in terms of just numbers. But when it comes to strangling the global economy by closing the Straits of Hormuz, and when it comes to attacking the Gulf states in the way they have, attacking refineries and tourist areas and so on, killing for now stone dead the business models of those states until this is over, that shows a lot of rationality, actually. It's a rational response to defending yourself when you can't do it purely with military firepower, isn't it?

52:50Piers Morgan:They've shown a cunning which appears to have been underestimated by America and Israel. Well, I'm not sure it was. I mean, I think I always thought an action against Iran would be a major war. It's a country that's been building up militarily. In fact, I think had it been two or three years ago, it would have been even worse. We've deteriorated them a lot in the last two years. But I mean, the reality is that probably makes sense at the beginning. Because that's what I thought. I thought they were doing this in order to get the Arab states to put pressure on the president to call a ceasefire.

53:28Piers Morgan:Yeah. But the reality is it's the opposite. European countries want a ceasefire. But they would surrender if I declared war on them. And I'd be able to take them over. I mean, they're all a bunch of useless cowards. Do you really believe that, Rudy? Oh, my God, yeah. I mean, the prime minister in your country said to say, I have people from England telling me you're going to be a Muslim country in 10 years. I mean, the Anglican Church, the Roman Catholic Church is bigger in England now than the Anglican Church. And Charles III might be the Muslim monarch of England. I mean, they're taking over.

54:15and they want to take over and it's their aim. And Iran is the fuel behind that. You take out the Islamic Republic of Iran, the whole thing moves in the other direction.

54:25Piers Morgan:You realise, Rudy, only 5 % of the UK is Muslim, do you? It doesn't matter. I mean, they have tremendous power. How many mayoralties do they have? They have a few mayoralties. But this idea, there's a lot of Americans. I'm increasingly concerned that a lot of you guys seem to have this idea that we're literally being overrun by Muslims. And I don't know where it's coming from because I live here. Well, you're prime minister. I live in London. I don't get any feeling I'm being overrun by Muslims. Well, I was in London about a year and a half ago and it seemed to me there were an awful lot of women with veils on that I'd never seen before.

55:04And you have debates over whether Sharia law should be respected. Of course it shouldn't be respected. Sharia law is a cult of death. I mean, the Koran is a cult of death.

55:16Piers Morgan:But Sharia law has no legal standing in the UK. Well, not according to a lot of reports that I read in different parts of England, it actually dominates. And Steirmer seems to be very, very affected by them politically. He seems to want to make them happy, make them contented. And certainly he doesn't seem to be trying to make them English. Nor do the French seem to be trying to make them French. they're contrary to immigration and assimilation. They just do the immigration part, immigration, and then follow Muhammad. What did Muhammad tell them to do? Take over. You're suggesting that all the millions of Muslims who live in the UK have a kind of radical mindset.

56:03Piers Morgan:And I would say back to you that that is simply not the case. All the evidence suggests that that is not the case. I don't think they all have a radical mindset. In fact, the majority of them don't. I know Muslims in the United States. Right. I've studied the Quran since I was 19 years old. You have about the same number of Muslims in the United States that we have here, and most of them are similarly very well. But what I can tell you is they're very, very silent.

56:31There's a very, very excessive, militaristic form of the Muslim religion, which is justifiable based on the literal words of the Koran. And then the rest of the Muslims are very silent. You rarely hear an objection to the horrible things that they do. And very often you hear a defense of it. It's very hard to get Muslims to stand up to the atrocities that they commit. And there's a defensiveness that's extraordinarily dangerous. Reminds you of a little of Germany. Certainly all of Germany weren't Nazis. They just were afraid and they were defensive and wouldn't stand up to it. That is that is a significant problem in the in the Muslim world.

57:20And it's beginning to change in in in the Arab countries. You also can't discount the fact that what you have going on between Iran, Persia, and the Saudi Arabian desert is a 1 ,500-year, 2 ,000-year war between the Persians and the Arabs. I mean, they despise each other deep down. Now, what happened and why your theory that it was very rational doesn't work is because the Arab countries are now telling Trump, don't end this and leave them there. Because to leave them there is just to kick this down the road. If they're going to do this to Emirates now, if they get more powerful, they'll do even worse.

58:06So if I were the Emir, I would be very much in favor of anything and everything that gets this theocracy over with. And I think it's possible to do it. I don't think they're as powerful as they appear to be. I think that we've done tremendous damage to them. God knows we don't know because most of the press and most of the reporting is very much against us. To suggest that they're winning this war like The Economist did is absurd. You're not winning a war when you've lost thousands and we've lost 13. I mean, it's absurd. And where you've taken more people out in the Emirates than you have in Israel.

58:47The reality is we don't know how much longer it has to go, and we don't know when they're going to break. But we have them going in that direction. And it's going to take an awful lot to get them back there again if some other president has to do it.

58:59Piers Morgan:Well, really, listen, there are many people that share your view about this. I have serious misgivings about this. I know you do, and you're entitled to. And I think it is a difficult... War is always very, very difficult, and it always should be debated. But you know what? I will always allow people that have a completely different view to me to come on and air their views, as you've done. And I appreciate that. And I and I there there are times in which I sit back and run through my head all of the things that you're saying. I don't think it's I don't think this is an obvious. That's why I hate people who describe themselves as interventionist or isolationist.

59:41You shouldn't be either. I mean, it really depends. It depends very much on how much danger is there to you. And I think, you know, maybe we evaluate that danger differently.

59:50Piers Morgan:Yeah. Rudy, I've got to leave it there. But great to have you back on the sensor. Thank you very much. Always good to be with you, Piers. And I tell you, your analysis is terrific. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. You're doing a real service. Thanks, Rudy. Thank you. Take care. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free.

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