"You KILLED Charlie Kirk!" Iran War, Lindsey Graham & More | Plus Karl Stefanovic Speaks OUT!

22:27You also promoted stops the steal. See, again, here we go. So I'm explaining something. To be fair to him, he jumps over to be fair to him, which I had. He's given a very unequivocal response there that he never promoted the pizza gate thing, which was the QAnon theory, obviously, that he never did that.

22:46Piers Morgan:And so do you guys have... On QAnon, I'm in the HBO documentary calling out QAnon. Right, but I just wondered, do either of you guys actually have any evidence he did promote the Petergate theory as a theory? Piers, he is lying. Okay, it was certainly the evidence. What do you mean the evidence is his entire career? What are you talking about? No, that's not good enough. No, John, you can't do that. If you guys are going to accuse him directly of promoting one of the most outrageous conspiracy theories in modern history, at least provide some evidence. I mean, tell me where he has promoted it.

23:23Piers Morgan:Jack Posobiec. They're on chat CBT right now trying to find something. Why would you make a claim like that against Jack if you don't have evidence right away? I don't know if you did or didn't. I'm relying on you two who made the charge to provide evidence. For you making a claim like that. You should be right off the top of your head. You shouldn't have to look down and do your research on the show. I don't mind if they even. To be honest, Brandon, I don't mind if they do want to check it, but I just I don't know the answer for certain. But you guys are the ones accusing him. So I think it's only fair to ask you, do you have any evidence he promoted the Petergate theory?

23:57Piers Morgan:I will find it right now. OK, but yeah, you don't have any at the moment. Jack, wait, wait, Jack. Hold on a second, Jack. So what you're saying on live television is you never, you have never, ever in your entire career promoted the pizza kid conspiracy. You are not in any way, shape or form responsible for mainstreaming it, promoting it in any way, shape or form, making it famous, injecting into the right wing ecosystem. Is that what you're saying on television? I am saying the exact same thing that I have said since day number one to anyone who asked. You can go and look up my statement to the Washington Post back, I believe it was December of 2016, and I compared it to Iraq WMDs.

24:37And what does that mean? Well, what do you think? It means they were fake. Okay. So, Art, if that's what you're saying, interesting. Ten years. Almost ten years. But nobody ever actually looks at what I've said. They just do what you do. I have a quote from Jack. They just smear. It's all you guys do. I have a quote from Jack. Okay. So this is what Jack said with regard to the pizza place that there was a claim that there was a sex trafficking ring in the basement of. You know why people use walkie-talkies in the Navy? We used to use walkie-talkies a lot over cell phones. You know why? Because walkie-talkies can go through different levels in the ship.

25:15So if he's communicating with somebody like in a tunnel or in a basement of another place in the area, that would be a perfect way to communicate with each other. What are you talking about? You're not even providing direct evidence. They had a pizza place that didn't have a basement. You said the words, and I quote, the pizza itself is legit. What's going on in the back is the issue. Yeah, that's my point. I said I went there to show people it was a regular restaurant. So what was going on in the back? I went on to show people it was a regular restaurant. That's why I went there. I left. So when you said what's going on in the back is an issue, what did you mean?

25:51I never, ever went back there. I never, ever went in to promote anything like that. it was an idea that I had to try to reach out to people who were wondering about this on the internet to just go there, order some food, sit down with a friend, and show them it was a regular spot. Explain your comment. What's going on in the back is the issue. What's going on in the back? I've been there. I've been to that pizza place. So have I. What's going on in the back, Jack? Because I went there. You know what was going on in the back? They were making pizza, and people were playing ping pong, and you know what happened?

26:24I actually didn't even go back there based on this conspiracy you guys don't have any direct evidence at all you provided nothing I just read a quote of you saying what's going on in the back is the issue you guys are saying that like you guys are saying that that is the same as equating this to some kind of grand trafficking conspiracy you just don't have it that's literally what it is when you say what's going on in the back is the issue that is equating it to a grand conspiracy theory rather than actually looking at what I did Jack, you are doing what Candace Owens is doing right now. You did what Candace Owens is doing right now.

26:59I'm also telling you that you can go to the Washington Post and look at my statement on the record from December 2016. I see it right now. So does Brian. Listen, you did what Candace Owens is doing right now with Pizzagate. So look, my team have been checking this.

27:15Piers Morgan:Also compared it to Binghamton. They say, Jack, that you, on X apparently, you tweeted claims such as, and they're quoting directly, Pizzagate may be bigger than we suspected. That was just days before a gunman targeted the restaurant. Congratulations, Jack. I'd have to look at that. I don't recall that. That's on my Twitter? You can't both condemn Candace Owens for studying conspiracy theories while you are guilty of the exact same phenomenon that she is. For the record, what happened there is regretful. What happened there is terrible, should never have happened. And in many ways, me going there, I think, and then seeing what happened afterwards.

27:52And I'm being honest. That's why I went there. That's why I went in to show people that it was a regular place. It got spun totally out of control.

28:00Piers Morgan:I guess the point is... And here's my response. Here's my response. That's why when QAnon came up, I came at it very forcefully, very, very hard, and even agreed to go on HBO to speak out against it from the right. Okay. After the fact, right? Yeah, after the fact, after you promoted it, and it led to a man... I don't agree that I promoted it. I'm sorry, I just don't agree that I promoted it. Pierce, real quick, for people who don't know what happened at Pizzagate. Remind viewers who know nothing about Pizzagate, what it was. Thanks to Jack and others, specifically conspiracy theorists, who profited off of this lie.

28:34This was incredibly viral. And by the way, my tweets and videos were not getting big views back then. I'll let you respond. And this was very viral. Well, let y 'all explain what it was. Let me respond to Pierce. Well, I don't want to lie about me. Based off this right-wing lying conspiracy theory, which was a lie, and people made money off this lie. One man who was not crazy, a man drives to this pizza parlor, I've been to it in Washington, D.C., with a gun. He gets out of his car and he says, where are the children? I have to save the children. People said, sir, this is a pizza parlor.

29:04Piers Morgan:Explain what the original conspiracy theory was. The conspiracy was that Hillary Clinton and Democrats were actually using the basement of the pizza parlor for their international sex trafficking ring. This man, who was watching right-wing media, who wasn't crazy, sincerely believed that he was going there to save children from the liberals. QAnon then merged with the deep state, and this is why so many in the right wing said, Donald Trump, you're going to release the Epstein files. It is going to prove QAnon, it's going to prove the deep state. But Donald Trump is all up in the Epstein files, which is why he has not released the Epstein files.

29:37And the person who, in part, was not the only one, but helped fan the flames on social media and other places is Jack Posobiec, who now has the audacity to save the candidates.

29:47Piers Morgan:Let Jack respond. I'm willing. Look, I had this conversation. Would you, and I've condemned the violence, and I said that what happened is regretful. Are you guys willing to say the same thing about the Russiagate shooter in 2017 at the baseball field in D.C., and about the murder of Charlie Kirk that were done by the violent left? Are you willing to say that as well?

30:11There's an investigation happening right now. There's a trial. Wait, wait, wait. Let me say something, Pierce. Let me say something, Pierce. Hold on. Let me say something, Pierce. Do you got the two liberals on the show? Do you think that Charlie Kirk was a racist? Yes, he said that black people were better off during slavery. Do you think that Charlie Kirk spewed hatred? Yeah. I'll tell you. He thought you, as a black man, were better off during slavery. The exact same foolery that you're saying right now is what got him killed. The leftist nut jobs pushing the same stupidity that you're saying right now is the reason why Tyler Robinson killed Charlie.

30:45This is exactly the same thing. You got, well, you should be condemned for saying something silly. So you're saying you can't lie. You cannot lie about them. If you level any criticism, if you level any criticism of somebody, then you are responsible for their death? You can't lie about them. The lies is what caused a person like Tyler Robinson to kill Charlie. Lies. He was not racist. He was not hateful. He did not spew hate. He was a man of courage. He had integrity and he was fair. If you disagree with him, he let you go to the front of the line. and you can have your disagreement. Brandon, Charlie Kirk said black men like you were better off during slavery.

31:21Do you agree with him? Now, listen, 100%. You believe, 100 %? Now what? Wait, after slavery, let me explain, because maybe you don't know black history. No, no, no, you don't understand black history, and you don't understand what Charlie was saying. Listen, after slavery, there was an explosion of success in the black community. We had black Wall Street. We were married to the women. we had children with. Black people had a tremendous amount of success. Our success was growing faster than white people during that period of time. Tom, now look at us. Now go look at any inner city in this country and you see people getting murdered every weekend.

31:56The leading cause of murders in this country is by black people. Violent crimes, black people. Abortion at disproportionate rates, black people. A lot of things that were going well in our communities is going downhill fast after the 60s. And it's because we've been voting for these sorry Democrats for so many years and they've done nothing for black people. And you cannot tell me as somebody who knew Charlie that he was a racist. He wasn't. I knew him very well. We did a whole bunch of incredible things in the black community. He helped out with Blacks at our black nonprofit to help the black community.

32:26We took 400 black conservatives to the White House for the first time in history. So don't you say nothing about Charlie being a racist unless you have unless you have evidence outside of that. You're lying and you're pushing conspiracies that got Charlie Kirk killed. Charlie Kirk said that the Civil Rights Act was a huge mistake. He said that Martin Luther King Jr. was awful and not a good person. I agree with him. As a black man in America, that's on you. That's your prerogative to say that. But you don't know what you're talking about. Somehow that wasn't a racist thing to say. You are not the arbiter of what is or isn't racist just because you agree with something that is objectively racist.

33:05You're not the arbiter of somebody having an opinion about a certain policy that's been put in place where he has evidence. You cannot deny what he's saying is true. Martin Luther King was a whoremonger. Absolutely I can. Martin Luther King pushed communism. Martin Luther King was a whoremonger. And those are the things that Charlie Kirk was speaking about. He was doing an orgy the day before he gets assassinated. You just argued that slavery was like a net positive for black people. Well, first of all, if you had any common sense, if you have any common sense, Nobody said slavery was a net positive.

33:40I said black people's explosion of success after slavery was a testament to this country, the country's values and how we were doing well. And now you look at the black community and it's failing. So you tell me how that's wrong. Brandon, you cannot. That was a violent last year that killed Charlie and they won't condemn it. They just won't condemn the violence. We can disagree. You can disagree with Charlie. Let me ask that question.

34:06Piers Morgan:of Rajahat and Brian. Rajahat, do you condemn the violence that was perpetrated against Charlie Kirk and killed? Yes, yes. It was horrific. It was horrific. No, but I disagree with Charlie Kirk. But you know what? I'll give Charlie Kirk one credit. Charlie Kirk said what he said. He tweeted it. He put it on TikTok. He put it on YouTube. He stood 10 toes down. He goes, I'm saying all these hateful things, racist things like black people were better off during slavery. I believe in this. I have the courage of my convictions. That's what I respect about Charlie Kirk. He said it. He didn't backtrack from it.

34:38What happened to him, which was a horrific murder, should be condemned. By who? Because no one should be killed based upon their First Amendment right to free speech. He was murdered, most likely, allegedly, by Tyler Robinson. He's the only suspect. Tyler Robinson, in part, was allegedly radicalized. He is a white man from a conservative family. He wasn't a radicalized white nationalist. which is not a member of the radical left. And what Brandon is saying... He's definitely a part of the radical left. The left. Brandon, I just want to go back to this. He's saying Charlie Kirk hates me. The motive is on the bullets.

35:11He etched the motive into the bullets he used to shoot Charlie. I answered the question. Let me ask this because I want this for the internet. You said he was a radicalized white. You didn't answer the question. You danced around it. Brandon, Charlie Kirk, your friend, said you, as a black man, were better off during slavery. Do you agree with that statement? 100 percent i understand what he was saying i just articulate you agree with it the perspective that he had just because you don't understand history and you look at everything in the lens as black people are the ultimate uh victims in perpetuity don't mean that charlie kirk can have a an expression of something i agree with him on now you're you here sitting here trying to tell a black man that i can't agree with charlie kirk on the fact that i think that black people were a better trajectory when we were in the 30s after slavery.

35:59He said during slavery. You're lying. He said after slavery. He said you were better off during slavery. No, he did not. Show me the proof and I'll give you$1 ,000. All right, let's go. You don't have it. Ain't no way in the world, Charlie, said we're better in slavery. He said after slavery. It's a whole sentiment around it. And black people understand this. History reflects this. Thomas Sow expressed this. Black people were in a trajectory on a path doing better than white people. Anybody can fact check that. We had millionaires. We had people who were very successful. Black Wall Street. You name it.

36:31We had a lot of production. We were teaching our own schools. We had our own transportation. We own our own companies, entertainment. You name it. We had it. It wasn't until we began to integrate in a way that Martin Luther King thought was best that we begin to see the degradation of the black community. And by the way, race wasn't part of this conversation until you injected it. Again, Charlie was white. The shooter was white. The ideology did not have to do with race. It had to do with him being a left wing, trans, pro-trans activist. Jack, there's no facts to that. There's no facts. There's no facts.

37:04There's evidence in court. I went to court and watched them unveil the evidence. The hatred against Christians, the hatred against Donald Trump, the hatred against Charlie Kirk, the etchings on the bullets of the Antifa anthem, as well as Hey Fascist Catch. This is these are facts.

37:20Piers Morgan:I'm going to check actually in real time whether Charlie Kirk did say that black people were better in the time of slavery. So we're going to find that out as we talk, which I have. I just want to talk to you about general language and discourse, particularly when public figures die, because you wrote a substack this week, the moment Lindsey Graham died, saying he was a terrible man who sold his soul for relevance, was it worth it? You said he was a duplicitous, spineless, political cretin willing to sacrifice his soul of conviction to cozy up to power and relevance. The guy had just died. Does no part of you think...

37:56You know, when Donald Trump attacked, you know, Rob Reiner,

38:01Piers Morgan:for example, or Robert Mueller when he died, or John McCain or Colin Powell, I've always criticised it. So I think it's awful to speak ill of the dead the moment they die. You know, short of people being Adolf Hitler or someone who's killed 12 million people, then obviously they're in a different stratosphere. But when you've got a public servant like Lindsey Graham, who did a lot of stuff across the aisle, people have been talking about that a lot. I interviewed him with John McCain, with Joe Lieberman, actually, and they talked about all this. He's had an extraordinary life privately of service and stuff to his family and to his country, can you not compartmentalise the good and bad?

38:41Piers Morgan:And can you not hold off calling this guy, you know, a duplicitous spineless political cretin within hours of him dying? Because isn't that part of the problem here? One of the reasons that people get radicalised while they want to use violence to take out people is because this constant bombardment from the left and right of this kind of language, even when people have just died. It was natural diseases that took out Lindsey Graham. I don't believe they're right in conspiracies. And I believe we treat these political figures in death the way they live their life. The reason why the entire world literally on the jump when it was announced that he passed away, I was awake at 230.

39:21the reason why the entire world brought up his own receipts, his own rhetoric, was because he lived his life as a genocidal warmonger, as a person who literally said that Gaza should be leveled, as a person who promoted phase four starvation against Palestinians, as a person who cheerlead this illegal, unwinnable war in Iran. You had a fantastic interview with Naftali Bennett. As a person who said, we're in a holy war. No one ever brings up those quotes as people, children, are literally dying. Who was the number one cheerleader of that war that's going on right now? Lindsey Graham. who was the cheerleader of Israel's occupation of Palestinians and the genocide in Gaza, Lindsey Graham, who literally did a complete 180.

39:58He was the man, Lindsey Graham, in 2015-2016, who said that he was the one, he used hateful language, he called Donald Trump a xenophobe. He called Donald Trump a hate monger, a bigot. And then Donald Trump was perfectly fine golfing with this man. Apparently, if Lindsey Graham was a Democrat, he would be calling him a radical leftist. But Lindsey Graham warned accurately what would happen to America and the Republican Party if Donald Trump was elected. Let me bring it. Lindsay Graham said, wait for a second. Why call him a hypocrite? Then Lindsey Graham said, well, hey, Lindsey Graham, you warned about Donald Trump for 10 years.

40:29Why are you now literally a remora on his anus? And Lindsey Graham said, well, I want to be relevant. I want to be relevant. So, yes, a hypocrite like that. Do you think Barack Obama was Barack?

40:40Piers Morgan:OK, but was Barack Obama a duplicitous, spineless political cretin willing to sacrifice his soul convictions? I'm thinking specifically of campaigning to shut down Guantanamo Bay, then keeping it open of running one of the biggest illegal drone programs in American history, of deporting three million people more prorata per year than any president of American history and so on. In other words, you know, is Saint Barack someone who spared the wrath of Wajah Ali because he's on your side? Or did you write the same thing about would you write the same thing about him? The moment Obama dies, would you be straight out with a substack hammering him using the same language you've used?

41:20Everything you just said about Obama, I criticized him during his presidency. And an honest assessment of his legacy upon his death would include everything you just said. Okay.

41:29Piers Morgan:Well, I look forward to reading that because I don't think you'd use the same vicious language, but maybe you will. Maybe you will. Maybe you will. I don't play this game. In the meantime, I'm going to come to Jack for response, but we've checked this. Charlie Curt did not say that black people were better off in slavery. There was a manipulated video clip circulating on social media that created that false impression. This originated from a September 2024 debate hosted by Jubilee Media. During the debate, he discussed historical periods of subjugation, specifically pointed to black communities under Jim Crow laws in the 1940s.

42:04Piers Morgan:What he actually argued, he said that during the 1940s, black communities had lower crime rates and greater family stability than they do today. He used this rhetorically to argue against the idea that systemic oppression or poverty are the only drivers of crime. He asserted if oppression directly caused high crime, crime rates would have been sky high during eras of severe oppression, which he claimed historical data did not show. So, you know, he's not saying that black people were better off in slavery. Clearly. But during segregation. Well, no, he's not. He's talking about periods in the 1940s.

42:37Piers Morgan:Segregation. Which is not what you're talking about. So during segregation. And he was also against the civil rights movement. You said slavery. So I will. Why are you changing the goalposts? Wait, wait, wait. I'll do something in real time. Take the lost vagina. You've literally spewed a conspiracy theory that came from a manipulated video which perpetrated a false impression of what Charlie Kirk actually said. Pierce, I'll do it in real time. Something that Jack and Brandon could do. Thank you for fact checking. I saw that video. You fact checked it. I stand corrected. Okay, good. Do you apologize?

43:12But the fact show that you said black people are better off Apologize. Don't change your goalposts. Do you apologize? Absolutely. You fact-checked it. Thank you so much. But he did say black people were better off during segregation and he opposed the civil rights movement.

43:26Piers Morgan:To apologize, you actually have to say I'm sorry. I, Wajah Tlaib, am sorry. I probably saw that same video. This is what happened on the internet. All right, we're getting somewhere. Thank you for fact-checking. Let me ask, Jack, what did you think about what Wajah has said about Lindsey Graham? Well, you know, it's interesting because, you know, as a sort of new right conservative, I personally also did not agree with a lot of the neoconservative views of Lindsey Graham. I certainly thought that he went way too far in his support for a lot of these wars that have been going on. You mentioned a few of them, probably some other ones I would bring up, as a matter of fact.

44:10but Iraq, for example, or Benghazi, Libya. But at the same time, I do think that having gone, put it this way, having sat through a week in the courtroom and being there with Charlie's mother and father and his widow, it's a reminder to all of us, and looking at this Ann Whittacombe news, which is really all over the place here.

44:36Piers Morgan:It's appalling. And it's horrific. And it does remind me that maybe there's time to maybe you should just pump the brakes sometimes, pump the brakes sometimes and say, you know what, everybody's a human being. And by the way, Tyler Robinson's parents were in the courtroom as well. And for for people who obviously have called for all the way up to and including the death penalty for him, it's it's it's it's one thing to say that something about someone online. but it's totally different when you see them in person, you see their family, you see that it affects real people. Okay. I want to end, because Brian, we haven't got to your book, the day after I had a willpower in a post-Trump world.

45:16Piers Morgan:You label ICE, Trump's secret police. You call MAGA neo-fascists. Trump is repeatedly referred to as a dictator. I guess I would ask the same question to you. A lot of people on the left have very happily called Trump a Nazi, fascist, and so on and so on. Does that help in the general level of discourse in America? Or could that all be tempered as well? I mean, I think if you want to derive the benefit of not being called a fascist, you shouldn't act like one. And I mean, you can start off with Donald Trump's own vice president who used harsher language than certainly I've used, which is that Donald Trump is America's Hitler.

45:54So again, I think when we're watching Donald Trump move to consolidate power, ignore the courts, ignore other branches of government, seek to entrench his own authority, then you don't get the benefit of not being able to be called a fascist. I'm not arguing that Donald Trump is akin to Adolf Hitler. I'm not arguing that he is akin to these other figures who've laid waste to entire populations of people. But I am arguing that he does engage in fascist behavior. And so, again, if you don't want that label to be affixed to you, then you have to act in a certain way. And he doesn't get that benefit.

46:31OK, we're going to leave it there.

46:34Piers Morgan:Thank you for a very spirited panel. I enjoyed that debate a lot, and I think we may all take something away from it. So thank you all very much. Thanks, Piers. Thank you, Piers. God bless, Piers. Congressman Ro Khanna was detained by settlers in the Occupy West Bank on a visit to Israel at the weekend. His account was corroborated by journalists and security personnel who joined him for the trip. The detention of a lawmaker visiting from a key ally would normally be a serious matter for the host government and the ambassador. But as the congressman told me on last night's show, they've instead attempted to deny it altogether.

47:06I am just stunned that Americans are detained by vigilantes. A foreign government cooperates with those vigilantes. And the American factual account is being disputed. I don't understand it. I mean, there was a New York Times photographer there. It's not just my testimony. It is the testimony of Israelis who were with me. It is the testimony of security forces. It was written up in detail in Reuters and The New York Times. And the prime minister is denying what happened. His ambassador is denying what happened. I guess people who can lie about a genocide feel licensed to lie even about the illegal detention and threatening of American citizens.

47:51Piers Morgan:Well, joining me now is Naftali Bennett. He's the former and potentially next prime minister of Israel. And Asali Bennett, welcome back to Uncensored. It is quite extraordinary to see the word of a U.S. congressman be so traduced by a country that he's visiting when he makes serious allegations about being detained. What is your view of this? I've not investigated this event. I need to learn more. I understand he came looking for provocations, but, you know, we're a law abiding country and whatever happens must be according to law on both sides. But if a U.S. congressman was, as he claims, detained by armed IDF for a considerable period of time, you would presumably not think that's acceptable.

48:49Again, I don't know what he was doing. I don't know if they wanted to protect him. I've got no idea whatsoever on this. I came to talk about Iran. I thought that was the topic. So I'm certainly not going to defend this guy or whatever. We need to investigate. Whatever the law says is what we need to do.

49:08Piers Morgan:On Iran, as we were sitting down to do this interview, Donald Trump has just announced he's backing down on his proposed 20 percent toll on ships using the Strait of Hormuz. Posting on True Social, he says he's committed to keeping a blockade in place on Iranian ports, but said he would replace what he called a 20 percent United States reimbursement fee with trade and investment deals with Gulf states and the region. I mean, this is just another, it seems to me, vaguely farcical development here, where it's almost like this stuff is just being made up as we go along. And then when people say it's a ridiculous idea, it gets abandoned and there's a new idea.

49:48Piers Morgan:But at the center of all this, this Iran war is turning into a massive embarrassment for both the United States and Israel, isn't it? Is there any other way of looking at it? Absolutely, there's another way of looking at it. We have a regional bully who wants to go nuclear. Now, everything that we see, all the elements of violence, of bulliness of Iran would be multiplied a thousandfold if they had nuclear weapons. And what President Trump is correctly doing is taking action to prevent that from happening. He's been consistent about this from the very beginning. You know, he's been very clear that Iran must dismantle its nuclear program.

50:32And obviously, as he's maneuvering within this realm, there's a lot of actions that he's taking. But he's not changed his basic goal, which is to dismantle Iran's nuclear program, because life will be hell for everyone in the region. This is not about Israel. This is about the world. if Iran is the same bully but with a dozen nuclear bombs.

50:57Piers Morgan:OK, but then this time last year, we had a 12-day war, and at the end of it, President Trump announced that Iran's nuclear program aspirations have been put back decades. So why are we sitting here together now with me interviewing you, with you saying that the whole point of this war was to do what Donald Trump said had been done this time last year? look uh dismantling a regime that's been working for 30 years 40 years on becoming a terror octopus in the region that's killed thousands and thousands of civilians across the region that is terrorizing its own people and uh aspiring to acquire nuclear weapons that's no easy endeavor and you're better off doing it early, even that it's not pleasant.

51:49And I'm not suggesting this is easy. It's not going easy. But you got to do it because if you don't do it, you get a North Korea with nuclear bombs. So obviously there's bumps in the road. Right.

52:01Piers Morgan:But that wasn't my question. My question is, why are we back in this position, given what happened last summer in the day war. We were told publicly by the president that this had put back their nuclear program by decades. What happened? Was that a lie? Was that bad information? Did Mossad just not get the right info? What has happened? I'm completely bemused why within eight months of that definitive statement, we're back having another war with Iran to get rid of a program, a nuclear program, that we were told had been removed for decades. And then you look at the way this war has developed.

52:38Piers Morgan:We were told it would be over in two to three weeks. We're now four months into this war. They still have all their enriched uranium. They have the slain Ayatollah's son is now the new Ayatollah and believed to be more radical than his father. The IRGC remain in control. There's been no public uprisings whatsoever. And the Iranians have got a clear, firm control of Australia for Moose, despite what President Trump says. They control it. And they're firing off rockets still and missiles at the neighbouring Gulf states. And it seems to me no part of this war can be at the moment claimed to be going well for the United States and Israel.

53:17Unless I'm missing something, because unless they're handing

53:20Piers Morgan:over the U.S. uranium or you can definitively say you've destroyed their nuclear capability in a way we were told had been done last year, I don't see where the victory is here. look when you're in the midst of an ongoing campaign and it's it's not a one-off this takes time what took 40 years to build might take a bit of time to dismantle and yes the attacks were effective yes they pushed back iran's nuclear program almost totally destroyed natanz collapsed the fordo underground facilities but Iran still aspires to acquire nuclear weapons. And yes, we do have the nuclear enriched material that's buried under Fordow.

54:11So there's still work to be done, but we're way better off than we were when they had a whole program that was racing towards a nuclear weapon. So we're better off. I've only got your word for that, haven't I? Have we finished everything?

54:23Piers Morgan:No, we've not. The problem is, Nefzadi, I've only got your word for that. I mean, how do we know we're better off? I thought this time last year, I was laboring under what turned out to be a massive misapprehension that the 12 day war had put back Iran's nuclear program by decades. And again, I simply just ask a simple question. That was obviously not true. So how can we now believe public statements by Israel or by the United States, which say the same kind of stuff? are we going to have to wait until this time next year and discover that's all a load of hogwash too? Because I'm just not sure what I can believe anymore.

55:03God bless people had more trust and belief in Churchill and Roosevelt in World War II during the setbacks. Because when you're fighting a regime, it takes time. It takes time. There are setbacks. And with all due respect, this war is not an all-out world war. It's not that tens of thousands of people are dying every day. We're talking about it's unpleasant. Some people are dying. We in Israel, we in the Middle East are paying the price for Iran's aggression. But we understand that we need to pay a short term price of sometimes taking missiles, etc. onto our homes here in Israel to prevent a much worse situation.

55:51We have to grow up, really grow up a bit. And I know everyone's looking at a stopwatch. We're not 100 percent, but we're working on it. We're doing our very best to dismantle this huge terror regime that it would all be incredibly easy. All they need to do is say, we don't want to annihilate other countries. We just want to build Iran. All of this would go away. But they don't.

56:17Piers Morgan:Look, I don't mind being told to grow up. However, from where I'm sitting, I am deeply cynical about the claims being made about what has happened to Iran. I just don't see any of the stuff that you're saying is actually happening. They control the Strait of Hormuz. And as long as they can do that, they can shut that down whenever they want and cause absolute merry hell with the global energy market. And they can cause merry hell with the economic business models of their neighbours by firing off missiles which go right to the heart of the attempts by the Gulf states to say, come here because it's safe and sunny and prosperous and you can enjoy sport and entertainment and so on.

56:56Piers Morgan:Everybody knows what's going on. And so for every time I hear from, with all due respect, to people like yourself from Israel or Donald Trump or others saying, no, no, it's all going great, I'm reminded that we were told what we were told last year. I'm reminded that Trump said at the start of this war now that actually it would take two to three weeks, then it was five to six weeks. Now we're into four to five months. I'm not seeing any sign of his ending. I'm not seeing any sign of the Strait of almost moving to US or Israeli control. I'm not seeing any of that enriched uranium being handed over.

57:30Piers Morgan:I'm just seeing a regime that's just carrying on that knows there's an existential threat to it. And it's like, well, frankly, what are you going to do about it? Because I don't see what you can do about it, sort of committing vast amounts of ground troops, which no one's got the appetite to do. so everything you just said is all the more reason to persist in ensuring that iran doesn't acquire nuclear weapons because what we've seen now is that they're terrorizing the region they're willing to close the straits of hormones so yeah we can just wrap up and say you know uh pierce morgan says this is unpleasant let's just wrap up get the hell out and what we'll see is a year and a half from now or two years from now, we'll have a nuclear Iran with tens and tens of thousands of ballistic missiles that reach Europe.

58:21And then we'll talk again. So I'm not saying we're a choice between pleasant and unpleasant. We've got two bad choices, but one is much worse. And that is caving in to this thug that is threatening the entire Middle East, the entire world, and capitulating now and meeting them in a much worse situation two years from now, because then we will be helpless because they acquire nuclear weapons. No one can touch them. You see, the problem is I agree of working against this thug and against this sort of intimidation. And we're not going to let them bully us. Is it going perfectly? Of course not. This is this is a very difficult situation.

59:04We do not choose for we don't make the choice for Iran to be a bully or not. We have a choice how we react to Iran. And if we listen to statements like you're suggesting, my friend peers. All right. Yeah, it's not going perfectly. Let's say I get the hell out and we'll meet them with 20 nuclear bombs that can reach London. Let's talk then. So, no, we're standing up not for Israel. This is not about Israel. This is about the entire Middle East and the entire world, because if we let up, if we let these thugs intimidate us, we're going to meet them with intercontinental ballistic missiles that reach London and Paris and Washington, D.C., just a few years down the road.

59:48So we should be thanked for standing up to this bully, not being told it's not going well enough.

59:55Piers Morgan:I would happily offer you my profuse thanks if I thought any of this was actually working, but it's not. And my fear is that actually what you've done is embolden the Iranian regime. I agree with everything you say about that regime. It's a despicable regime. It oppresses its own people. It is the octopus of terror with its tentacles spreading to the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah. I know all this, right? I don't make any pretense about it. But there are lots of awful regimes in the world. North Korea is a good example. Russia, China, there are lots of them, right? And it doesn't mean that you go in and attack all these places.

1:00:27Piers Morgan:I think this was an ill-conceived war, an ill-conceived mission. I don't think anyone was quite sure what they were trying to achieve. And out of it all has come the worst-case scenario of the Iranians realising it doesn't matter what happens in conventional warfare, because they control this stretch of water which holds the world's energy market over a barrel. And I don't see anything has changed that whatsoever, nor do I see any enriched uranium being handed over. So until those two things are dealt with, I don't see how this is anything but a fiasco. I fully disagree. I think you're all right.

1:01:03So, again, we're in a world of alternatives. Now, the alternative is to let this bully acquire nuclear weapons. Piers, they already acquired enough highly enriched uranium for 11 bombs at 60 percent uranium enrichment. That means within weeks they could have achieved 11 bombs. All right. We prevented that from happening. Is that not worth anything? We're standing up for them. You know, I can imagine that if the year was 1934 and we had stopped Hitler and emboldened him, so Piers Morgan would have said, what are you doing? You're emboldening him. No, you have to stop these thugs early on. And I want to say another thing.

1:01:44North Korea never talked about annihilating another country. Iran says it wants to annihilate another country. It says it wants to control the Middle East. It says it wants to dominate the world with export its Islamic terror ideology. If you don't stop it when it's small, you're going to face it when it's too late. It's unpleasant. But, you know, Piers, it's not the end of the world. You're not taking mortars and missiles on London right now. So the cost of fuel is a bit higher. This is unpleasant. It's not pleasant for anyone. It's not pleasant for UAE or for Israel or for Bahrain or for Kuwait.

1:02:25But we all understand in the region that it's a tiny price to pay. And you're not paying any price there in London. It's a tiny price to pay to prevent a much, much worse situation. I would expect you to understand this as a student of history. Look at history. So, yeah, it's not going easy. But President Trump is standing up. The Straits of Ormos, Iran does not yet control the states of Ormos. That's what's up for grabs right now. And President Trump is trying to prevent that. It's not easy. We need to back him facing these bullies. It's so simple. I don't understand what alternative. The alternative is to lay back sapine and let these guys go nuclear?

1:03:10Piers Morgan:No, no, no. But if it was simple, you'd have won this war as quickly as you claimed you were all going to. And you haven't. I didn't say it's simple. Well, Piers, I never said it's simple. This is not a simple situation. Donald Trump assured us two to three weeks, this is all over. Turned out to be nonsense. Well, I want to say something. I want to say something about Donald Trump. Every other president in America's history said we need to stop Iran. We won't let Iran acquire nuclear weapons. Now, there's two options. If you don't mean it, fine. Then, you know, fuss about the cost of energy and let them acquire the nuclear weapons.

1:03:45and we'll meet when they have 50 bombs, and then they'll control the Strait of Ramoz, and no one will mess with them. Or what President Trump did, he's the first president whose actions reflect the statement, we will not let Iran acquire nuclear weapons. Either you mean it or you don't mean it. If you mean it, President Trump is doing exactly the right thing.

1:04:09Piers Morgan:OK, he's just not succeeding at the moment. And that's, I'm afraid, a big problem. Because if he doesn't succeed, he's all very well. I could say I could say I want world peace and everyone to give up their nukes. If I don't achieve that, I've failed. So, you know, unfortunately, the problem is all the bellicose rhetoric. We definitely are better off than where we were. Natali, for all the bellicose rhetoric I'm hearing about this, I just like to deal in cold, hard facts. We can all see what's happened. This war is unfortunately. But you're in the middle of the battle. You're in the middle of the battle.

1:04:40Right. You are in the middle. It's not ended. And the way to succeed is to back such a correct effort of dismantling Iran and not stand a stopwatch for President Trump.

1:04:54Piers Morgan:Here's my problem. I don't agree with what is being done. I think we can. I don't think the tactics are working. I don't think the strategy works. I don't think you all know really what you're trying to achieve. Is it regime change? Do you think you can do that? Is it about encouraging the people of Iran to rise up? Can you get control of Australia foremost? I'm not seeing any of this happen. So at the moment, I'm very cynical about the success of this war. I don't think it's going the way that you all thought it was. Fortunately, fortunately, well, Piers, fortunately, the world is led right now by Donald Trump, who has a strong vision and is less cynical.

1:05:32I mean, you could have told Churchill, you failed in Singapore. I'm cynical. You failed in Italy. I'm cynical. You're not going to do the D-Day now. Oh, come on. You're just continuing wars.

1:05:43Piers Morgan:Churchill didn't spend every day of World War II putting out statements saying we've beaten the Nazis, it's all over, or saying they're all nice guys and the next minute they're the worst people on earth, we're going to blow up the whole of Germany, then we're going to do a deal, we're going to do a deal 38 times, we still haven't got a deal. He didn't do that every day because actually, as you know, the problem with that is, unless any of this happens, eventually you look like the boy that cried wolf. and that's where we've found ourselves. And I find it very depressing that we're continually being bombarded with this.

1:06:18Piers Morgan:It's all going swimmingly. Nothing to see. It reminds me of that guy, Comical Ali, in the Iraq war. Do you remember him? You know, nothing to see here, Gov. Literally, the Americans were behind him. I mean, it's kind of, it's getting a bit ridiculous and I'm afraid, and I don't like to see that. I would love this to be going the way you think it is. But at the moment, I don't think it is. Anyway. I would also look, look, look, look, no, Piers. But no, no. But this is a very important point. President Trump has his style. He has his unique style that we're all aware of. But I also want to say the guy delivers.

1:06:54He brought the Abraham Accords. He brought the deal in Lebanon. All right. He delivers time and again. Now it's tough. He's got his unique style. We need to I think that we need to stand behind him. There have been achievements. Has everything been achieved? Absolutely not. We're smack in the middle. I also want to say it's not that horrible versus the alternative of a nuclear Middle East. OK, you made that point. And that's why I'm backing President Trump. And I think that the West needs to. Otherwise, we're going to be terrorized by these freaking bullies with 50 nuclear bombs. And then the world will really look bad.

1:07:32Piers Morgan:OK. Naftali Bennett, I always appreciate you coming on Uncensored and debating with you. Thank you very much. Thank you, my friend. Imagine the scene, the charismatic host of a major breakfast TV show fired in infamy amid a global row about his right to free speech, now embarking on a controversial new venture across the digital frontier. Well, my next guest, you'll be glad to know, is not actually me. But he is a man who proudly follows in my footsteps. Carl Stefanovic hosted the Today Show on Australia's Nine Network for more than 20 years. He's now hosting the Carl Stefanovic Show and joins me in the studio.

1:08:11Piers Morgan:Well, Carl. Oh, my goodness. So we met on a boat in Cannes a couple of weeks ago. And as you were flying to see me, to interview me for your podcast, you were still, as you took off, currently employed as the handsome host of the breakfast show you'd done for 20 years. Before you landed, you had been removed from... Yes, the post. Yeah. Very similar to the way that I was suddenly abruptly removed from my breakfast show birth. And we did this sort of, well, it was an emotional, it was a highly charged, quite dramatic interview where you were going to interview me. And I went, well, that's pointless.

1:08:46Piers Morgan:I'm now going to interview you. So now you're on my show. And now I'm going to interview you. Well, what's fascinating is you've had a bit of time since. It was also, it was happening in real time. You're now, you're about to fly back to Australia where they've been talking about nothing else but you, to an extent where I've been quite jealous. But how are you feeling about going back? Because you've become the kind of, I guess, the whipping boy for a lot of people who think you've gone down right-wing rabbit holes. You've become a guy they don't recognise. We think Beast is coming out. What's happened to Alcott?

1:09:21Piers Morgan:We'll come to that. But to many other people, you've become a free speech hero, somebody who just wanted to exercise his right on your own podcast to interview who you wanted to interview uh and it reminds me again of what happened with me you know depending who you talk to i was both of those camps if you like now you've had time to reflect how are you feeling well first of all i wanted to say thank you um because that was a weird day um to have had that happen and then to run into you but i did also want to say thank you for giving me possibly the greatest piece of advice that I've ever been given in my life.

1:09:55And that is, once you've stopped crying, son, go and have a long lunch with your friends. And so I did for eight days. But it's true, though.

1:10:04Piers Morgan:You've got to clear your head. You have a chance to do it. Now your head's cleared. You're literally about to fly back to Australia. You've not been back since this all happened. Are you excited? Are you apprehensive? What are you feeling? I'm really genuinely excited to go home. I think the support that I've had over there from family and friends and the community that's following the Carl Stefanovic show has been invigorating and at times overwhelming. The other side of it, I couldn't give a shit about. It is what it is. You can be critical of the interview. You can be critical of the choices, but this is my show and I will choose who I want to have on it and I will do the interview in the way that I want to do it.

1:10:46Is there any criticism

1:10:48Piers Morgan:you've had where you felt that they had a point? I think... In other words, if you had your time again. No, no, no. If you're coming at it from that point of view, it's because you think an interview should be done a certain way. As you and I pointed out, you know, you're a combative interviewer, and I love it. I mean, I just saw Gary Stevenson in the men's toilets. He's still curled up in a ball crying. I mean, that guy... He's still whining. I know that. I mean, that guy's hopeless. Yeah. But if you're judging it that way... Look, I've done 25 years of broadcast interviews. and TV. And I just want to relax into interviews now.

1:11:22I want to do them a different way. I want them to be free flowing. That's not, you know, people aren't going to agree with that style, but it's my style now. And my, you know, the community that I'm building on the show, the audience that I'm building, I think they, they want to hear, you know, things done a different way. They want to see the whites of someone's eyes. They want to see why this person is commanding so much attention. I stand by the Tommy Robinson interview. I think the guy is commanding an audience. Any person that can pick up a phone and get 300 ,000 people on the streets is going to control voting in some way where he wants the votes to go to.

1:11:57So for me, the interview itself, the choice of him, no problem. Now, could I have done that interview? Should I have beaten him up like I think everyone else in Australia is trying to get to him now so they can beat him up? That's fine if you want to do it that way. I don't care. That's your prerogative. That's your network. That's your platform. For me, I just want to do it a different way. And I'm in the process of that happening.

1:12:20Piers Morgan:Look, there's been a lot of praise for you. There's been a lot of scathing criticism. I want to read one of the more scathing, purely because it's quite funny to read it to your face. So this is someone who referred to, it was a scathing article in your character in Crikey. It referred to you as from 24-carat fuckwit to boy wonder. Another colleague speaking in Alomacy said, if you all turn to podcasting, All his journalistic sensibilities are gone. He just cares about power, money and clicks. Your response? Power, money. And clicks. I don't know about the first two. No, look, the crikey mob, I don't read them.

1:12:58The criticism is far-reaching. There's a lot of it. I get that. Criticise away. I've got a great audience that I care about. The rest of it, a lot of it, is free publicity.

1:13:09Piers Morgan:Bob, I think that was probably the wrong way around because I think I read from 24-carat fuckwit to boy wonder. I think it was the other way around. No, well, I preferred that one. I've been called a 24-carat gold fuckwit before. I mean, I did 24 years in broadcast, news and current affairs. There are going to be people along the way who don't like me. You know what? And if I treated you that... Has any of the criticism got to you? Has anyone pissed you off where you thought... Why have you said that you thought you got on with? I think that when you know exactly the phrase people used, those kind of people when you're working with them, but for me it's wasted energy, Pierce.

1:13:51I've got too much to do, too much I want to do. Those people aren't working in the industry anymore so they can... Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They can... Do you want to say what you... I really want to say it. We're unsensored. Well, they can go fuck themselves. There we go. Can you edit that?

1:14:10Piers Morgan:Absolutely not. God damn it, you've got me again. We are uncensored. I was curious about the Prime Minister intervening, being a little bit sneering about you. Anthony Orman Lutz. I've interviewed him, got on well with him, but he was a bit sneering, and you'd always got on well with him and given a fair shake to him. Did that annoy you? It did. Yeah. It did, because, you know, the guy has, you know, his CGT changes, he lied to the general public, went to an election, didn't take CGT, which is an internal issue. But then, you know, even just last week, the guy comes out and he says that about me, and then he goes on this flim-flammy podcast.

1:14:50Well, let's play it, actually. Yeah, let's go.

1:14:51Piers Morgan:Let's just remind people what he said about you, because it teased this up nicely. You go down that road and you go further and further out on the edges of what is mainstream political debate in this country, and, you know, I think that can have an impact. So he's giving you a little thing, calling you basically a far-out loon, and then he does this on another podcast. We're at Rapid Fire Questions. Now, every guest gets asked these. Shag, marry, date. Kylie Minogue, Nicole Kidman or Rhonda Birchmore? I've just got married. I'm only six months in. But if a ghost tips up, let's just pretend. Oh, Kylie, clearly.

1:15:25You'd marry Kylie and Shagger and data? All of the above. All right, it's a triple. She's terrific. All right, that's fair.

1:15:32Piers Morgan:I mean, sorry, am I in some parallel universe where this bloke is taking the high moral ground with you. He then goes on another podcast where he said, if you all go tits up, would you Shaq, marry, and what was it? Date, Kylie Minogue. And he says all three of the above. Yeah. Where does that place the Prime Minister of Australia? I think he may have been on the pina coladas that afternoon. It's like this is that you can't do that podcast, but he'll do that podcast. I think personally, and I don't want to overstate it, or draw too many conclusions at this point of his prime ministership, but I think he could be the worst prime minister since Keir Starmer.

1:16:10Piers Morgan:That bar is low. That bar is low. But I thought there was a real hypocrisy there because he's criticising you for being out of the mainstream political debate. For a prime minister of a country like Australia to be as coarse as he was on camera about a national treasure like Kylie, I thought was given what he said about you. Yeah. Edging away from mainstream. Yeah. How is that any different? No, no, that's what stung most because I do think the only way through, and there's a lot of issues in the UK now, discourse is the way through. And I think you've got to hear these voices, however you prosecute them, and you prosecute like a wild man.

1:16:52Like I said, it's all Gary Stevens. But I think that we've got to have, you know, a media landscape now that does present these stories. And however you present them, if you don't like my show, then don't watch, right? If you don't like the interview, then don't watch. But I'm going to continue interviewing people because I want to hear what they're made of, what makes them so popular, why there can be a driving force in a place like the UK. I stand by Tommy Robinson. I mean, I bet you've tried to get him on. I bet you he's a bit scared of you.

1:17:23Piers Morgan:He bottles me, yeah. I'm scared of you. Happy to be sitting with you, but not me. East TSPF. That's for good reason. You can't say that. No, but I've got proper questions for him. But that's different. I've always been combative. I've watched you for many years. That's not your shtick. So why should you suddenly have to do that? Just to please other people. I might go back and I might have combative. I've done 25 years. I'm tired of the way. And I think a lot of the viewers are tired of that kind of thing. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I know that there are Australian media outlets chasing down, you know, Tommy Robinson now, and they'll attack him.

1:17:57That's fine. Go and do it. Do whatever you want to do.

1:18:00Piers Morgan:The whole point of free speech is you should be allowed to do what you want to do. And I think across the globe, there is a real problem now with freedom of speech and the attacks that come. And you raised it in the interview. The attacks that come on advertisers and the advertisers that put pressure on big companies, I think it's a real thing. Well, there's a fascinating thing happening, actually, in Australia at the moment, because the state government in Queensland has recently passed sweeping new hate speech laws, banning certain expressions, and they made a last-minute change to the legislation to specifically only ban the phrases from the river to the sea and globalise the intifada, with penalties of up to two years in prison.

1:18:41Now, they've been deemed anti-Semitic by the state,

1:18:44Piers Morgan:but there's been a hilarious response, I think, to this, whatever your view about the debate itself, with Flashmoth performing a song called Two Strong Hearts by John Farnham, who's obviously an Australian singing legend, because the song includes the phrase from the river to the sea. Let's take a look. We've got two strong hearts We stick together like our money and the fee You and me, we've got two strong hearts We're cheating up forever like our money and the fee You've got to laugh. They're mocking, really, the legislation that they think is kind of ridiculous if you've got an iconic singer using that phrase.

1:19:24Piers Morgan:What happens to him now? If he sings his own song, does he get put in prison? Well, Farnsey's had a tough couple of years with his health, so it'd be a great way out for Farnsey. Let's lock him in the clink. No, I think that sort of stuff. I mean, some of it's laughable, and some of the stuff that's happened to me has been... It's just I find funny. It's so ridiculously over the top. Yeah. When you actually look at the crimes that people commit around the world. And then your crime was that you sat and interviewed somebody as a journalist. Yeah. People can criticise the way you did it. Whatever.

1:19:58Piers Morgan:You're allowed to do it. It's so preposterous to me. Completely. And, you know, I think that there's people around the world who are campaigning for that, you amongst them. and I will say this, your friendship and the words you said to me were very important to me at a time when I was, you know, feeling it. And I think that gave me... Well, nobody knew in that moment better how you were feeling than me. I'd literally been in your shoes. No one has been sacked more on mainstream television anywhere in the world than Piers Morgan. Well, you know what? The one thing I did take my hat off to, You got the following tribute from your breakfast show colleagues the morning after, and then I'll play the slightly less emotional one that I got.

1:20:41Piers Morgan:Let's take a look at yours first. Carl has, of course, woken up with today for 21 years, so we know this is a huge change for our viewers and, of course, for us, not just here on the desk but behind the scenes because there's a big team that puts this beautiful show together for you every day. He's our mate and he's our colleague, and it goes without saying that Carl's presence will be missed. two decades is a long time. We've spoken to a lot of people over the past few days who have varying emotions. They're upset, they're angry, they're sad that this is all happening and we all wish that it wasn't ending like this and that we could say goodbye to you, Carl, our friend, in a different way.

1:21:20But yes, as Dickie said, we wish you all the best.

1:21:24Piers Morgan:Yeah, it's a tough day. Love you, mate. How did that make you feel? You know I love Sarah so much. I've been to you by both of us. Yeah, you know, no one. This is a tough job. 21 years, three in the morning you see each other. In the curlers, no make-up. And that's just you. We're horrendous. We're horrendous that hour. And Richie Wilkins I've been working with for 25 years. I love him so much. And so my colleagues I'm going to desperately miss. Did you watch that live? No, I didn't. I couldn't. I couldn't. You know, I think I was at a restaurant and my family were watching it, but I just couldn't.

1:22:02So here by comparison, this is what I got. Piers has decided to leave the program. Some of you may cheer and others will boo. He has been my presenting partner Monday to Wednesday for more than five years. And during Brexit and the pandemic and other issues, he has been a voice for many of you. and a voice that many of you have railed against. It is certainly going to be very different. But shows go on, and so on we go.

1:22:37Piers Morgan:Where was the love you, mate? Where were the tears, Susanna? I'm so sorry, mate. You know, Susanna's actually, she's a great friend of mine. We're so very close friends. And we had quite an emotional chat a couple of days later. I really think she was in shock. People criticised her at the time for sounding a bit stilted. I think she was genuinely, completely in shock about it. And I think that I saw the same in your colleagues. It came out in a slightly different way. But it is, you become part of a family. You know, I see all my old, nearly all my old Good Morning Britain colleagues. I don't see the weather guy very often.

1:23:09Piers Morgan:I actually would cross continents to avoid him. But the others, I do see a lot of. And you do become very close, actually. And so it's a big wrench, isn't it, when you suddenly realise that's it. Do you know what stood out for me in all of that? that, you know, I've done 21 years of the Today Show in Australia and you only worked Monday to Wednesday. I mean, what the... How did I get a... How did I miss out on that? It was a great gig. You lazy bastard. Great gig. It was a great gig. And I lived five minutes away. So by then I was getting up at about 5.45 for a six o 'clock start. I was getting earlier.

1:23:47And look, I will miss them desperately, but I will see them. and now they can say whatever they like in terms of the people who are critical. I've got a great show that I'm building up. You've given me great advice on the blueprint and I look forward to working with you more in the future. And I wanted to thank you again for having me on because it means the world.

1:24:07Piers Morgan:Mate, it's great to have you. I think you've been liberated. I thought five years was long enough in Breakfast TV, mate. It kills you. To do 20 plus years is incredible. Yeah. And you've become the most famous guy in Australia, to my deep chagrin. Because I want to be that guy. Well, can I just say before we go how insufferable it has been an Australian in the UK right now with the World Cup? I know. Imagine if we win it. Oh, my God. If we win the World Cup, mate, I'm flying to Australia just to gloat. And I will happily send you back. You won't be allowed in the country. Carl, great to see you.

1:24:42You too, Pete.

1:24:42Piers Morgan:Safe travels. Thank you, mate. It's going to be fascinating when you land in Australia. I'll make sure this interview lands right as you arrive. with you telling the Prime Minister and his critics... See you, mate. Take care. Lots of love, mate. Thank you. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical, and we couldn't do it without you.