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19:42But one time in Fort Lauderdale, when they were able to fly in and he sort of challenged DeSantis, he said he had to go back to Romania. And I asked him, why do you need to go back? You're here in the States. He goes, I'm going to man up and I'm going to show up and I'm going to be there in trial and I'm not on the run. That made me a little bit like, wow, this guy really believes in what he's doing.

20:02Piers Morgan:Pearl Davis, welcome back to Uncensored. I mean, I've always felt with this case against the Tates that ultimately it will come down to the issue of consent, that they are going to, I suspect, say, yeah, we had relationships with these women and everything that was conducted in those relationships was consensual. I may be wrong, but that's my feeling about the way this is all going to play out, including the webcam business they ran and so on. But how can you be sure from the outside, given you weren't there when this was all going on, how can you be sure they never crossed that line? Well, I obviously can't be sure if I wasn't there.

20:42I don't know. But if there's facts that come out that back up the girls, then I'll go with it. But I think a lot of men in this country can relate. I mean, you guys have ex-girlfriends, don't you? You've never had an ex-girlfriend make up a lie about you, or you've never had that happen to a friend of yours. and for Ben Shapiro, it's pretty hypocritical of him to crucify the Tates when the Daily Wire has ex-porn stars on their platforms. So they've had Nala Ray, they had on Lauren Southern, accused a bunch of, yeah, I know. Wait, is Lauren Southern a porn star? That's news to me. Maybe not technically, but she falsely accused a bunch of guys in the conservative party.

21:19Like it's, you know, women will do the most egregious of sins and do the most egregious things and you guys all put them on your platforms there's no like there's no second there's no question about it but if a guy no there are a lot of questions in interviews that go on for a long time but there are a lot of that's what an interview is but then also i think the crucial point you're missing right but you give them softball interviews that you would never give a guy you give them not people who are unrepentant you give them softball interviews that you would never give a guy and there's never any penance for it so it's like it's pretty hypocritical that they're crucifying the Tates for making money off of cam work when you don't crucify the porn stars that come on your platform that also made money off of cam work.

22:01Like, there's a bunch of only fans out there. I agree. That's true. We try not to do that. But I think you're making an apples and oranges comparison. I know you think it's funny, but, like, this is a claim from, like, 10 years ago. Not on camera, at least. This is a claim from, like, 10 years ago. So it's like...

22:19Piers Morgan:But, Paul, that doesn't make it automatically untrue. I know. And what we now have, we now have nearly 60 charges. And these aren't just trivial charges. These involve human trafficking, rape, sexual abuse, forming an organised crime group. We've just heard from a lawyer representing four of the women who says on the evidence he's seen, it's extremely compelling, extremely detailed. And that when people see the full details, they will understand what is really happening. I just think there's got to be an end date to it. You cannot keep dragging people to court from stuff from a decade ago. So if the evidence comes out, and I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

22:58You can based on the statute of limitations, right? Isn't that how the law works? I know. In the UK, it's different. Well, no, every jurisdiction has some statute of limitations on certain crimes. I don't really understand what you're arguing for. Are you objecting to the extradition? My objection is to the hypocrisy. I just think when he played the clip of Ben Shapiro, I just couldn't think I couldn't stop thinking about how hypocritical it is because you guys have ex porn stars on your platform and you give them these softball interviews. And yet then you crucify a guy. I think you hit a glitch because you're repeating yourself.

23:32But I'm just asking what the hypocrisy is. If one is to do an interview with someone who's repentant or even not repentant, just anybody, you know, you can interview Osama bin Laden or something. That's that's the job of a journalist. but how does that relate to your objection to the extradition of the Tate brothers for the alleged crimes? I get that you don't like Ben Shapiro, but I don't understand what point you're making. Let me just jump in. I agree with Michael. She made her point about the Daily Wire. I think we can move on and focus on the Tates here. That's right, right?

23:58Piers Morgan:Well, I mean, my thing about this is you've got so many people on the right. I interviewed Clavicula on Monday, and he was like, none of this is true. It's all a political stitch-up, blah, blah. He has absolutely no evidence that any of that is true, that he said. He just happened to hang out with the Tates in Miami a few months ago, which became notorious because they played the Kanye-Heil Hitler song and they were all seen dancing along to it. Yeah. You know, but there are a lot of people racing to defend these guys. I've interviewed Andrew Tate five times, I think, maybe more. And I've always made the point, look, until you're proven guilty or something, I believe in due process and anyone is entitled to be innocent until proven guilty.

24:41Piers Morgan:But, you know, my point, I think, Adam, about this is that the volume of the charges and the severity of the charges means the prosecutors must be confident they have a pretty strong case here. And these are really serious allegations. And so the rather trivial way that many on the conservative right in America have simply dismissed all this as political stuff I think is ridiculous. I just find it hard to believe it. If they were in a relationship with him after. Well, hang on, Pearl. I'll come to you. But just Adam, first of all. Yeah. Yeah, I hear you. Look, I can't tell you how much content and interviews legitimately with both states I've done on this.

25:24And what I realized, there's three camps. There's the camps that are going to say, put them to jail. They're rapists. I can't believe them. They're such scumbags. Toxic masculinity. you're not going to convince those people of anything. There's the people who are going to say, bro, he's innocent, straight up. It's all a hit job. It's a political warfare. This is what's going on. It's weapons. You're not going to convince those people otherwise. What I hope in America and around the world is there's still reasonable people who are willing to look at what's called facts. I believe Ben Shapiro talked about facts, not feelings, and legitimately see what happened here.

25:59Here's my experience. I remember three years ago when we first interviewed Andrew Tate, I want to say, in Spain, Madrid, we had to meet at a secret location with PBD. Then we, that's when he got canceled. Then we had to fly to Romania to their compound after I was on house arrest. I remember all these different situations and everyone saying, this is what's going to happen. This is what's going to happen. What happened in Romania specifically? Let's do this. In Romania, he was charged with the most heinous crimes, human trafficking, rape, minors, money laundering, trying to start a basically a organized crime and what happened with all those allegations, Pierce and all my other friends out here zero convictions zero!

26:47Not like well we got you on one like Diddy so you have super famous people who have been found guilty

26:54Piers Morgan:Cosby, Weinstein, Epstein Diddy and the Tates are still innocent But Adam, the Romanian process is ongoing, so it's not like they've been cleared of everything in Romania. They haven't. How much time do they need? I thought this was a layup case. Well, I think there are legitimate questions about how long this has all taken. How many years do they need? No, no, I agree. I thought we'd believe in a fair and speedy trial. I said, I don't. I'm not sure what's going on in the UK these days and the hypocrisy with the grooming gangs and everything going on here. But I'm old enough to remember when Andrew Tate was not a Muslim and I'm older enough to remember when the UK was respected and also not a Muslim.

27:30So let's be fair here, and whether it's Romania and the UK, get it over with, not just because of the Tates, because there's some victims here that need justice potentially. Just to be clear, Adam, when you say the UK is Muslim,

27:43Piers Morgan:what you, I think, meant to say is that 5 % of the UK is Muslim. Did you miss out on the percentage, or was there some reason for that? You know we like to have fun in the show, and you know that we're joking. But there's also some truth in every joke. Well, there's no truth in the fact we're a Muslim country. There's 5 % of the population is Muslim. 95 % are not. And it's going great. The rape gangs, the free speech, everything's going great. We had a real issue, but as Michael... I mean, you talk about hypocrisy. I just encourage you to clean it up. You talk about hypocrisy. Michael hit the nail absolutely on the proverbial head.

28:17He's one of the sharpest guys out there, Michael. Well, of course he is. That's why I always have him on.

28:21Piers Morgan:Come on, come on. But at this point, there is a stunning hypocrisy that many on the conservative right in America have been attacking the UK relentlessly. Elon Musk and others have been doing this, right, saying, you guys, you protect these Muslim sex criminals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, of course, Andrew Tate and his brother, they're Muslims now, charged with very serious sex crimes against women, and suddenly it's all like, well, they're all trumped up, it's all political, whatever. Imagine if people in the grooming scandal had said the same thing. Yeah, there is a real peril about the hypocrisy here.

28:58I'll do this real quickly. Michael, sorry, if I may. Michael, please, and I'm going to give you the floor. Pierce, Andrew Tate... Number one, Tristan is not Muslim. Andrew Tate's been Muslim for 15 minutes. Whatever's been going on in the UK is a systemic problem. Is Tristan... I couldn't remember if Tristan was or not. But I'm going to give you some anecdotal real things.

29:13Piers Morgan:Tristan is not... He hasn't converted. It's only Andrew. Pierce, I'm in Jerusalem right now, and I was in Tel Aviv. I can't tell you how many Brits have come up to say, hey, big fan, see you on Pierce. He's the man who loves you. we're moving the hell out of London for fear of our lives. And the number is in 5, 10, it's dozens of people... Well, I'm saying the hell in London, and I haven't feared for my life. So unless they're lying to me about what's going on there, I'm going to take that credibility. But you live in a nice part. I don't live in a nice part. I live in... I actually live... Hang on.

29:46Piers Morgan:Hang on. It's amazing to me. I can tell you, I can tell you, I grew up in South London on the mean streets. I worked and lived on the mean streets of Tooting, The mean streets of the United States! Wandsworth, Brixton, right? West London is a very mixed environment. You're not there now! The problem with you Americans is you don't actually come over here to look for yourselves. I lived in London for three years, Pierce. I've lived there. And you don't think West London has people from... My ex-wife is British, Pierce. I've seen this. West London is the nice part. I lived in the heat. Let's get back to the series Yeah, because You can't gaslight what we see with our eyes Pierce What do you think you see with your eyes?

30:34Piers Morgan:You said, I mean, poor old Adam Apparently Londoners are terrified 5 % of the population That is absolutely not true At least not in London And I can tell you just walking around London for three years This is what commentators do They want to say, believe my statistics Don't believe what you see with your eyes No, I'm asking you to believe what I see with my own eyes. That was a good one. I've lived in London since I was 20 years old. I'm now 61. And the nice part because you make money now. In 41 years of living in London, there's no way you are living in the suburbs of London. I have never once feared for my life.

31:06Piers, you made a lot of money and you're successful. Embrace it, baby. There's no way. You did not live in East London. There's no way. Piers, I got to agree with that. I worked in East London. There's no way that you're out there on the streets of London. I worked in East London.

31:18Piers Morgan:I just loved it. I worked in East London. You're talking of a celebrity at this point. I worked in East London for 16 years. But not now, see? How long ago, Pierce? Well, it's a bit like saying, look, I've got a home in Los Angeles. Pierce, you're dating yourself, baby. I'm 61, but I look 50. You just said Americans don't try for our side. You do, you look great, but you also worked there 40 years ago, big dog. LA is the same. I have a home in LA. There are parts of LA where you might fear for your life. Most of the places, you don't. Same with London. Pierce, next thing you're here to tell me that LA is doing just fine as well.

31:51It's not.

31:52Piers Morgan:I don't like the way LA's gone at all. Let's come back to the Tate's. Let me bring in... I love you so much, Chris. There's a wider show to be had about whether Britain is... It's so terrifying. Everyone has to leave. It's bullshit. By the way, let's not even get into... Andrew Tate is the one. Let me ask you one question. Andrew Tate's saying this out loud. Let me ask you one question. Which city are you all currently in? Mike, where are you? I'm in the free air of Nashville, Tennessee. But to your point, I was just with you peers in London. Yes, you were. Did you fear for your life? Well, the one thing is, because I'm Sicilian, I might pass for, like, a North Pakistani.

32:28They might have let me off the hook. I didn't have any danger when I was there.

32:31Piers Morgan:You never fear for your life. Where are you, Adam, at the moment? Miami? Well, I'm born and raised in Miami. I just happen to be in Jerusalem right now. That's why I gave you all those people who are basically saying they're trying to leave London. So that's my experience here. That's my lived experience, Fierce. It's just my lived experience. It's my truth. I spent three years in London. Where are you now? And now I left because it actually was so bad. Where are you now? Now I live in Dallas. So you want me to believe that the Dallas murder rate, for example, is better than London's? I don't know what the murder rate is.

33:07Let me help you.

33:08Piers Morgan:The murder rate in every American major city is infinitesimally worse than it is in London. I can't... Let's go to the rape statistics. Let's go to the knife attack statistics. Yeah, look, you were talking about the Muslims being in London and it's only 5%, and I said that is absolutely not true. No, I said 5 % in the UK. Yeah, whatever it is in London, it's way higher. How much in London, though, Pierce? It's slightly higher in London as it is in most American cities. Slightly, oh, my God. Let me bring things back. You know what, there's a bigger show to be had about the murder rate in America compared to London.

33:50Piers Morgan:Trust me, we will win. But let me bring it back to the Tates. Michael, let's talk about where we are with this case. Because they are likely to be extradited, I would say, within the next six months, whatever happens. Back to the UK. They're likely to then face quite a lengthy trial, probably, as we heard from a lawyer for some of the alleged victims, in 2028. So this could get wrapped up sometime in 2028. It is, to me, an unfeasibly long time from start to finish this, but at least there seems to be some light at the end of the criminal tunnel, if you like, for these two guys. If they were to be convicted on multiple counts and receive a lieful, very long sentence, where would that leave everyone on the Conservative right, in the US in particular, that were so happy to jump on board with them, knowing there were a lot of accusations out there about them?

34:48They probably wouldn't look all that great. You know, the thing is, the great thing about being a political commentator or an influencer is you never have to admit you were wrong about anything. That's true. They have the attention span of a fruit fly. The one area, though, where I think people could really be justified in not opposing a conviction of the Tates, but of demanding something more be done, is to the point on hypocrisy. not the hypocrisy of journalists you know asking questions or anything but the hypocrisy of these institutions because the way that the tates are defending themselves is they're saying yeah look maybe our behavior was reprobate but it wasn't technically illegal yeah maybe i had this abusive relationship with this girl but it was a relationship that went on for two years yeah that is their argument yeah that is their argument and so you can you can take that to the political level which is all of the attacks on the tates are that they're pornographers okay i hate pornography i agree i think we should ban it is legal prosecute pornographers but yeah but you know looking at pornography as an industry the tates are small potatoes why aren't they going after the big guys who are actually playing in in pornography if you're talking about trafficking yeah trafficking is really bad they may have trafficked girls uh why don't we go after the cartels and the organizations that are actually trafficking people you have at least in my country in america and actually in your country too you have the left-wing parties who are facilitating that kind of stuff.

36:09You want to take rape seriously? Obviously, we've been talking about the grooming gangs. There's been neglect of that issue here in the United States. So I just say, okay, yeah, great. Fine. You know, go after the Tates. If they committed the crimes, throw them in jail forever. But what about the broader political implications? Because that really is a hypocrisy if you're only going after it when it's some online influencer, but not the far more widespread and egregious problems that are systemic.

36:35Piers Morgan:Yeah, that's a fair point. Now, look, on the subject of traffic, and this is a clumsy segue, but it's because you were in the news, Michael, weren't you, for your views about Uber drivers this week, in which you said this. My wife comes to me, she does Uber or whatever, you know, she's getting an Uber. For me, I get a female driver, I say, whatever, it's going to take me longer to get to the airport, but it's fine. My wife gets a female driver, I'm not joking. She will cancel it. No! Yes. I am stoked when I get a female Uber driver because I'm not going to get murdered, okay? You know? Well, they have a new one now because, yeah, because women are afraid of being, like, kidnapped or murdered or something.

37:14But, like, so they have this new one where women can request female drivers. And my wife, she actually goes, she's like, are they going to do one where I can only request a male driver, please? Is this what your wife sounds like? Exactly. I mean, it's an amazing...

37:27Piers Morgan:Now, other than your extraordinary impression of your wife, which I'm not quite sure how she would take that, But were you basically using her but quietly believing the same thing? I mean, do you yourself ever have a female Uber driver? How could you suggest such a thing, Piers? When that clip went viral and it was getting all the headlines, my wife said, she goes, Mac, you left out very important context, which is true. The context I left out is that she hates getting the female Uber drivers in part because I'm so chatty. So I'm talking to them and the women are much more likely to get distracted than the men.

38:01So I think my point still totally stands. I am late to the airport when I have a female Uber driver. They miss the exit. They're not. Wow. I take some responsibility for that as well. I'm very gregarious. I like chatting with them. Adam. That's facts. Adam. Pierce, Pierce, if you want an argument on the show, you're going to get it with Adam and Michael right now, by the way, sir. Go on. Michael knows you're a legend, but question for you. How often do you take Uber? All the time. I take Uber constantly. Okay. Okay, gotcha. I'm just checking in. Because I haven't, the reason I wanted to chime in is I haven't had a car in 15 years.

38:40All I do is Uber. Like DJ Khaled, all I do is win. All I do is Uber. I don't care if it's a man, a woman. I don't care if they're a he, she, whatever they got going on these days. Do they speak English? That's my number one thing these days. Because in America right now, there's a lot of Uber drivers. No habla espanol. Yo vivo in Miami. I live in Miami, and nunca personas que conduzieron coches hablan inglés. None of them speak English. People have been here from Cuba, from Colombia, from Venezuela, from all over the world, Haiti, no English. Now, I speak multiple languages. But please, if you're going to come to America, man, woman, he, fee, she, whatever you're identifying as, learn the language.

39:23Well, I do think, to be fair... And please don't make Michael Knowles late to the airport and get in a fight with his wife, please.

39:28Piers Morgan:Yeah, I do think it's reasonable to expect any cab driver, Uber or otherwise, to speak the language of the country they're in. Because they're having to deal with people who want to go somewhere and want to have that conversation. I think that's not unreasonable. And maybe, Pierce, they could even have an ID. Right, but do you not think that what Michael Knowles said is brazenly sexist? I mean, I have absolutely no problem. Michael Knowles can come up no wrong in my book. I have no problem with female Uber drivers. I would prefer a male Uber driver. Why? Because women are more likely to get into accidents.

40:00I think she just wants a man.

40:02Piers Morgan:Well, hang on. Is there any statistical evidence that female Uber drivers crash cars more than men? I don't think there is. I don't know if it's by Uber driver, but women do get into accidents more when you look at how much they drive. So men technically get into accidents more, but it's because they drive a lot more. But women do get into accidents for how much more. But is that actually true, pro-rata? I don't think it is. I think women famously are deemed to be safer. Well, you can name one famous sports car driver race car driver and that's Danica Patrick. All the rest are dudes. There's an evolutionary reason.

40:32I think I arrested my case right there. Men are better drivers. It's something with spatial awareness. I can't remember exactly what it is, but there's an evolutionary reason for it.

40:40Piers Morgan:Well, you know what I do? I manage to resolve this whole problem by getting a driverless car. When I get to LA soon, I get Waymo, which have neither male nor female drivers. They have nobody. They have an empty driver's seat and it drives you on its own. And I got to say, first few times it freaks you out and then you get into it and then by the end I was ordering them on my own literally getting it to pick me up from a restaurant, take me home on its own and it is the weirdest thing but actually there's no chat problem Michael, for you to worry about no chat problem for your wife to worry about they have so many sensors I saw one of them, one of the Waymos pull a stunt in front of me to avoid having a collision with a car that I honestly think 95 % of human drivers, if they'd been in that car, they would have crashed.

41:29Piers Morgan:And that was extraordinary to watch. So I think it is the future will be Michael Knowles' dream scenario, which is there's nobody sitting there. It's just no one chatting. It protects you from crashes, missed flights, and from sexism. Isn't that the most important thing of all? We've got to leave it there. Fascinating conversation. Thank you all very much. Good to see you, Pierce. Thanks as always, Pierce. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here from Int Mobile. Well, now, I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for$15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made$15 bills.

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42:23Piers Morgan:Well, I'm joined now by the author, broadcaster, and clinical psychologist, Dr. Phil McGraw. Dr. Phil, great to have you back on Uncensored. It's good to see you, Pierce. How are you? I'm well. How are you? Good. Busy, but good. That's a good thing. Well, it's an unusual segment today. I'm going to talk to you about the Tates and then about aliens. Some would say the two may be connected, but we won't make the connection today. Let's start just with this saga of the Tate brothers. So they rose to extraordinary global, I don't know what you would call it, popularity, infamy, by presenting themselves as old-fashioned guys with old-fashioned male values, keep fit, mentally fit, physically fit, you know, but also began to become increasingly, in my estimation, misogynist and, you know, keep women at home, don't give them a vote, all that kind of stuff.

43:15Piers Morgan:But underlying all this for the last few years has been this ongoing series of increasingly serious allegations about alleged criminal conduct that's now exploded with them being arrested in the United States, almost certainly going to be extradited back to the UK, where they're facing up to 60 charges of rape and sex trafficking, sexual abuse and so on, which could depth charge them completely if they're found guilty. At the same time, you have a lot of people on the conservative right in America saying, I don't believe a word of this, they're political prisoners, etc., etc. What do you make of this?

43:53Well, you know, I've followed this from a distance because I've been concerned at how many young men have plugged into this and followed this. And, you know, I think sometimes that they fill the void. They fill the vacuum of a strong male role model in their lives. And so many of these young men have been devoid of relationship skills. They've been devoid of any real relationship skills, interactions in the real world because they live their lives virtually on a screen. And so here come these guys that, you know, they're kind of like carnival barkers. You know, they are out there as hustlers, street hustlers, promising this, promising that.

44:56And, you know, I think it's a message that a lot of young men would find seductive. Like, you know, do this and you'll have all these women do this. You'll have all of these exciting experiences. And I think it's been kind of like a Pied Piper. And it's a hollow message. It's an empty message. It doesn't pay off. And I think by the time that's discovered by those that follow along, you won't be able to find these two guys with two hands and a flashlight. So I think they're just, it's just my opinion. I think they're just con men. And I think they've been laughing all the way to the bank. And I can't believe that they actually believe what they're saying.

45:45I think they just say what works. And they say, look, the more outrageous we are, the more claims that we make, the more show of this fantasy life, the more outrageous the fantasy life we show, it gets more followers. So I think they've just been reading the market and selling what people buy, what these young guys buy. And I think it's a very dangerous message. And I'll get a lot of hate mail for saying that, but that's what I believe. I think it's a dangerous message, and I think it's going to leave a lot of disappointed young men that are going to be behind the curve and have to get out and develop real skills and real relationships with real potential partners in their lives.

46:29And I think that's going to set them back good ways.

46:33Piers Morgan:It also begs the question, why are so many young men, why do they feel so disenfranchised by society that they gravitate to people like this? Because there's a wider picture. I've talked a lot to Jordan Peterson about this, about this kind of lost generation of young men who feel like there's nothing in life for them. Well, you know, there isn't much in life for them if they live their lives on a two-inch screen. Look, nothing great is ever going to happen on a two-inch screen. It's going to happen if you get out and as some of the others out there say, touch grass, which used to be kind of a put-down saying, yeah, you're so crazy, you can get out and touch grass, get off of this and go touch grass.

47:23But it's now a positive movement saying, put down your devices, go out there and get in the real world. And there isn't much for those that live virtually. But if they will put down the devices, is that they'll go out and just go to their church, get in a youth group, go get in a softball league, go hang out with friends, go do something where they're challenged to have to interact. They're challenged to have to answer questions, ask questions. They're challenged to have to groom. They're challenged to have to take a shower, get dressed, go out, engage in conversation, have something interesting to say, Ask some interesting questions.

48:06Go participate in a group activity. They're not developing those skills, and you're not going to get a hit if you're not swinging. You're not going to get rewarded. They say you're not going to catch a fish if you don't have your hook in the water. You've got to get out there and get in the game. And if they will, they will close this gap. I'm the incurable optimist, but you're set back if you don't ever get out in life and give yourself an opportunity to win.

48:35Piers Morgan:A hundred percent. As always, you speak such common sense about this, Phil. Let's turn to aliens, because I didn't realize you were quite so immersed in all this, but you were invited by the White House to review the latest tranche of UFO files before it reached the public. So what did you see, and what should we brace ourselves for? Well, you know, I'm not a Johnny-come-lately to this. I've been following this for a long time. I started doing some interviews about this over a year ago. And I have to say, the thing that first impacted me when I started studying, there have been four releases so far.

49:24I did get an exclusive look at the fourth one before it went public. And I think because I've had some conversations with those involved in the current administration and from a psychological perspective. Look, I'm not an aerospace guy. I've been a pilot since I was a teenager, so I've spent a lot of time in airspace. And I understand radar and tracking systems and how you can get false signals and what the differences are between false signals and real signals. And also, I have some experience with that. But my primary interest in this is from a psychological perspective, because if in fact there is credible, reliable, valid information, and validity and reliability are two important but very different concepts.

50:27If we have valid information that is reliable, that there are phenomenon that cannot be explained with our technology. And so we have to start to come to grips with the fact that we're not alone in this universe and that there may be things going on in our atmosphere on planet Earth that we just simply can't explain, and therefore we're not alone in this universe. that can have a profound impact on people's thinking. Now, 71 % of people in one study said, hey, I kind of figure we're not alone in this universe. That's a big difference from having it confirmed that there may be intelligent, non-human life that is on this planet with us right now.

51:28Have you seen anything, Phil, in your studies,

51:30Piers Morgan:When you were asked by the White House to look at the UFO files and say, was there anything that you saw where you thought, wow, okay, that to me looks alien? I have seen electronic evidence that I believe indicates that there are aircraft that are doing things that we don't have the technology to do. They are, that there are aircraft that are making maneuvers at speeds and G-forces that we simply don't have the capability to do. And it's not a close call, Piers. You know, I've flown with the Blue Angels and they go to like 7.49 G-forces. I think the most that a human has been recorded, and it was on a sled where it was an unbelievable acceleration, up to like 25 Gs for a half a second.

52:42There may have been one experiment that approached 50 Gs for just a microsecond. But you get up into double-digit G-forces, and depending on whether they're straight or in a turn, we don't have the ability to withstand that. And we've seen some aircraft on radar screens and tracking, and they've also been visually confirmed by credible observers, military pilots, commercial aircraft pilots, and seen by different people and on different tracking devices. that would be making maneuvers that G-forces would be like 10 ,000. We don't have that capability. There's no explanation for that. And of all the sightings that are out there that I've seen going through these four different groups of disclosure documents, about 40 % of them are just simply not explainable by our own technology.

54:05Piers Morgan:So where's it coming from? I mean, I would absolutely be in the 70 % who think there must be other life in the universe of some kind. I mean, why would we be singled out this tiny pinprick in something the size of the universe and be the only things that exist? It seems to me, I would have thought, 100 % nailed down certainty. Are you as convinced as me that there must be alien life out there? Well, I am convinced that, well, I would say this, it makes common sense. It makes scientific sense. From the things that I have seen so far, I'm, and I was very skeptical going into this. And Pierce, I'll tell you this.

54:55I think our government, they've been lying to the American people for 79 years. Not only have they been lying by omission and withholding information, I think there has been an active program of misinformation and misdirection.

55:13Piers Morgan:Really? And I don't think that's by accident. I think it's been planned. And if you go back and look at the documents that have been released, it's very much like when you get into the documents from Meta and some of the big companies, social media companies, you find in their own documents that, hey, yeah, we know this is addictive. We know that this creates mental and emotional problems for preteens and teens, but we're doing it anyway. So you don't have to speculate. You can read their own documents admitting that they know it and they're doing it anyway. And the algorithm is sensitized to that so they can get more advertising dollars.

55:54I look at that as being analogous to what I'm finding in these government documents where you go back to 1947, where they were burying information. 1949, there's a classified conference in Los Alamos where they were spotting these things appearing over America's nuclear weapon sites, but they're saying, no, no, no, there's nothing to it. The Robertson panel in 1953 convened and recommended a public education campaign built on one strategy, publicize the cases that have already been debunked and say nothing about the ones we can't explain. I mean, that was their strategy. And then they in 53, they put out JNAP 146 and then followed it with 146E, which penalized people, threatened them with jail time, prison time and ruining their careers with very high fines.

56:54if anybody spoke about these things that they had seen. So they knew it, and they were threatening people if they talked about it. I'll ruin your career, you'll never fly again, and you could go to prison under the Espionage Act if you talk about it. Incredible. Why are they hiding this? I mean, it's insulting to me. These people that are in government, they don't have any particular wisdom. They don't have any insider vision. They were everyday people working in jobs just like the rest of us. but then all of a sudden we're not smart enough to know what they know. You know my theory, Phil?

57:25Piers Morgan:I don't get it. We've got to wrap, Sally, but my theory is it could be because the people that are doing the cover-up are actually aliens. Well, that would be a stretch, but I suppose it's possible. Who knows? Maybe the aliens are here, but they look like us and we just don't realise because we're not aliens. Well, maybe that's true, But I think I think more likely is you follow the money and they're trying to reverse engineer propulsion systems or whatever, because if you do that and you can do the maneuvers that we're seeing, boy, oh, boy, have you unlocked a really important a really important key to energy and energy management.

58:11And I want to be sure that as a government, we're making plans to support certainly vulnerable parts of the population that would have a bad reaction to this if it gets confirmed. And that we're really thinking carefully about those that would really be upset by this. And if human exceptionalism has to be recalculated, that we're there for those people, whether it's religious groups or elderly or those that are perhaps easily destabilized mentally or emotionally, that we have the resources to help those people readjust their thinking. And right now, our resources are 100 % absorbed. If there's a big movement that needs help, we're not ready for it and we need to get ready for it.

59:04Piers Morgan:We do. Dr Phil, always great to have you on our sensor. Thank you so much. Piers, good talking to you. Hope I see you soon. All the best. You too. Piers Morgan on our sensor is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.