‘You’d Be SHOCKED at The Names I’ve Seen!’ Epstein, Guthrie Abduction & Megyn Kelly Super Bowl Row

25:19Quite a few are beginning to do that. Quite a few are beginning to do that. It's going to be interesting how many more follow that path. Azair, you've been waiting very patiently. What's your view of where we are with this scandal? I mean, look, I think that this is an entire view of the Republican Party right here with Clay, the so-called Epstein victims. Look, ultimately, I think if the Republicans wanted to end this situation, they would call and join the millions of Americans that are saying that we want to see the unredacted Epstein files. Three million files currently sit as we stand today that are redacted.

25:54People want to see the truth. And the fact that you have MAGA running around carrying water for Trump, as Mike said, claiming that these victims are so-called victims or whatever it is, it's a shame to the American public. And it's why the Republican Party is losing trust all around this country. I think it's abundantly clear. It's why they're losing special elections everywhere we see because of the fact that they're losing the trust of the American people. And I think that what Clay just said makes that abundantly clear. I don't think that Republicans actually have any particular opinion. I'm sharing my opinion.

26:23I think actually the majority of people are just all fed up with the Epstein situation in general. My position is, if you actually look at the evidence, I do not believe that every Democrat in power and every Republican in power conspired to cover up a bevy of charges that would otherwise have been brought. And by the way, if you want to make it a Democrat Republican issue, overwhelmingly that people who are accused of having misbehaved are actually Democrat donors like Jeffrey Epstein. If you want to make it a Democrat Republican issue, they're way more prominent Democrats in the Epstein files.

27:08We have said from the very beginning that we support every single person that is inside the Epstein files that has been assaulting children. You know, the truth is... We want to call them out. We want to see them prosecuted. That's what we say. The truth is... The truth is... Guys, the truth is... The truth is, the Biden administration didn't release these files. The Trump administration promised to and hasn't released all the files. So the American people and the watching world, because it affects many other countries too, are looking on going, who is actually going to honour the claim to be transparent?

27:42And I think until there is proper transparency on this, this is going to go on and on and on and on. And actually, someone at some stage has to go, you know what, we're going to put it all out there, because until that happens, the conspiracy theories will rage. I want to move on. So joining the panel, back for the first time on Uncensored in a while, but a very welcome return to the best-selling author, the Fox News superstar that is Tyrus. Tyrus, welcome back. Hey, how are you feeling, Pierce? How are you doing? You know what? I know you're a fitness guy. You're my fitness guru in many ways.

28:19My new hip is beginning to kick in. I've been doing a few little gentle laps of my local high street. And yeah, things are looking better. Pretty soon get you back in the gym, bro. Working on those one-twos. I would love that. Let me start with you, Torres, about this whole bad bunny thing. So I had a great debate with Megyn Kelly yesterday. It's gone nuts viral. We've had nearly 40 million people watch the stuff on our various platforms. Well, everything you do is viral, my brother. Everything you do. Thank you, Torres. But her central argument was this wasn't a Super Bowl halftime show for Americans, that it was aimed specifically at the Spanish-speaking element of America, which is about, she said, 40 million.

29:08I think the latest figures are about 54 million Americans who have. that is the first language and it's really split the country i guess this debate i want to play a quick clip this is a stephen crowder and don lemon giving the different reactions proud to be an american it was a total slap in the face to the dumbasses who were like you know this is un-american and we need to have someone who speaks english and blah blah blah blah it's ridiculous us. Donald Trump and MAGA, you are out of touch with this country, like completely out of touch. And you know what? Good. Keep going. Yeah. I mean, you're right.

29:48You guys were right. You're right. It should have been, you know, English. We should. And you know, when they say English, you know what that means? That means white. But we're not going to remain lone wolves and just go, you know, I don't view race. I'm starting to more and more. Starting to more and more. Thanks, Left. Appreciate it. Thanks for waking everybody up. Now, my view, Taurus, which I expressed yesterday, is I actually enjoyed the performance. It didn't bother me at all that he sang in Spanish, no more than it does when Pavarotti sings Nessun Dorma in Italian, right? And the fact that actually there are 54 million Americans who do have Spanish as their first language and millions more who speak and understand it as well, what's the big deal?

30:32Why does this have to be a massive deal? It's not. It's not. Let's stop it. When Macarena came out, nobody was asking for the English version. Listen, I don't care for Bad Bunny. I think his name is silly. I don't like his music. I don't think I've ever listened to any of his songs. He earned the right to perform his art at the Super Bowl, and I did what I do at every Super Bowl at halftime. reload the plate, make your bathroom break, check on the kids, then waiting the halftime shows over, come back, sit my big behind down and watch it. I think this is the result of being, we're just, this is a first world problem.

31:15It doesn't matter. It wasn't a great performance. None of them halftime shows are. Honestly, the best ones are when they have a rock and roll band because it just sounds better. But in terms of performance and everyone's just, if you need to look for something to be outraged about. And this is what you're outraged about. This is what you, when you climbed in bed and went to put your little head on a pillow, you're like, I can't believe that NFL halftime show. You have a wonderful life. We are so great. We are so wonderful right now that we can complain about 20 minutes of a halftime show. It doesn't matter.

31:48Nobody really cares. And you had an alternative. And you know what? A lot of people switched and watch the little puffy super bowl they do that too uh we have remote controls in this country so the fact that this is an uproar is pathetic and this is just what the media does when we don't have a really good we don't have a lot of stories going on that everyone wants to talk about i could i totally agree um clane travis i mean were you enraged that you had a guy from puerto rico who is the biggest downloaded guy in spotify for the last few years who's an absolute phenomenon, an American success story.

32:25Dad was a truck driver. Mum was a teacher. He was a good, God-fearing kid who went, you know, raised as a Catholic, very devout and so on, who works hard, is not embroiled in scandal, works his way to the top of his profession, and then gets the gig that his own talent and success commands, which is the biggest gig in music in America, which is the Halftime Show. He ticks every single box for me. I think it was a really poor choice. And I think it was a really poor choice because Bad Bunny is a super left-wing activist. And the data reflects that I'm right, Pierce. Just before we came on, or last night, but the data continues to come in, about 10 million people turned off their televisions for halftime, which is the biggest drop in the halftime audience that we have ever seen in the history of Super Bowl performances.

33:21And usually, I don't know how many people know this, usually, Tyrus actually I think speaks for a lot of people because I typically am frustrated because I don't like Super Bowl parties, period. I watch every football game on the planet, and I can't focus on the game when I got tons of people who have no idea what's going on in the game. So that's my biggest general Super Bowl complaint is that people who have no idea suddenly show up and they're talking and they're yapping and, you know, I can't tell what's going on with the game. So that's my biggest complaint. But when you go to halftime, usually, guys, the halftime is the most watched part of the Super Bowl.

33:58Usually the audience peaks at the halftime. People get in their cars. They start heading home. Super Bowl parties break down. This audience overwhelmingly rejected Bad Bunny on a level that's never occurred in the history of the Super Bowl. I think that's bad for the NFL. I think that's bad for the overall Super Bowl viewership. and I do think it's significant. When you have a cultural iconic event that is a monoculture event that brings every American together, the biggest audience that we have of the year, and the vast majority of people cannot understand what he is singing, I do think that matters.

34:33I don't think you should have a singer in Spanish. And by the way, Piers, I would say the same thing as Pavarotti. If Pavarotti, a voice of an angel, came out and was doing an opera performance at halftime of the Super Bowl, I would say that's not a good choice. That's not who we need. There were lots of people they could have picked. I think it was a poor choice by the NFL. That's my point. With Pavarotti, Donald Trump used Nessun Dorma by Pavarotti at all of his campaign rallies in 2016. He's played it at the RNC. And I don't remember you, Clay Travis, expressing any outrage that these absolutely cultural, phenomenal moments in the history of the Republican movement.

35:14Trump fears Trump comes out every single time he comes out. If it's a medley, I would have pierced. I will go on the record. If the NFL ever tries to put Pavarotti on the 50-yard line to sing for the Super Bowl, I will storm the field and get arrested to fight back against a non-English speaking performance at the Super Bowl, Pierce. Can we get a booger? You can come help me out. I want to see this. I'll wait if Trump tells you to. And we can do a big show the next Monday. I'll give you the exclusive. If Trump goes on social media, maybe he'll do that. Let me go to Isaiah here. Isaiah, I mean, I'm just not even sure Clay Travis means a word of what he's saying about this, right?

35:59I think people now, I love Clay, to be clear. But I do think people rush now to take the party line on this stuff. What I did was I woke up in the UK, and obviously it was early morning when I woke up, It just happened. And I just watched it. I just immediately downloaded on Twitter, I said, all X. I said, all right, halftime, full show. And I watched it from start to finish before I saw anyone's commentary about it. Just so I could think, I don't know much about Bad Bunny, other than he's hugely popular. What was it like? I thought it was an amazing show that he put on as a spectacle. The most theatrical thing I've seen in a halftime show ever.

36:39I don't think it was the best performance. I thought Michael Jackson, Prince, others have been amazing. But I enjoyed it. And I certainly just saw a guy who seemed to be, it seemed to me, to be preaching a message of love, not hate. He had an actual marriage take place in the middle of it, a legitimately lawful marriage. He talked about all of the Americas in a unifying way. I just, I was really struggling to see how anyone could hate this. And then I turn on Fatal Error, of course. I turn on X, tap in Bad Bunny, and all hell's breaking loose. And there are many on the conservative right absolutely losing their minds.

37:18And I'm like, why?

37:23It's hilarious, Pierce. I mean, I think what started all of that, you see Trump on True Social. He goes and he talks about how much he doesn't like it. And just like robots, all the Republicans start going out with their talking points. It's hilarious to me that they need their little safe space, right? Like, they're always so sensitive. Every time somebody that the vast majority of Americans enjoyed, they thought it was a good halftime show, they wanted to go and run to Turning Point to go create their little safe space. Look, ultimately, look, over 127 million Americans watched this halftime show.

37:54They enjoyed it. It was on social media everywhere. I know for me, I personally don't speak Spanish, but it was great. I had a great time. I was humming the songs on my TikTok live. I thought it was hilarious. So ultimately, I think the vast majority of people thought it was great. And this is just more conservative tiers. It's just what they do. Well, it's like, you know, Mike Nellis, I was in Barbados, for example, after Christmas over New Year. And, you know, there was some name dropping, right? People were singing in Bajan, right? The Barbados language in some of the bars and clubs. It was fantastic.

38:29I don't remember thinking, well, I don't understand it. Therefore, this is outraging me. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THINK. YEAH, I JUST THINK A LOT OF THIS IS JUST SO PERFORMATIVE FROM THE MAGA RIGHT BECAUSE THEY NEED SOMETHING TO DISTRACT YOU FROM THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY, THE JOB MARKET, THE HOUSING MARKET, TRUMP CORRUPTION, ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S REALLY SILLY TO ME. AND, PIERS, YOU HAD ME ON YOUR SHOW NOT THAT LONG AGO DURING ALL THE IS SINDY SWEENEY AND NAZI BULLSHIT AND YOU ASKED ME MY TAKE ON IT AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE SAME TAKE HERE.

39:03everything and I agree with you peers like clay doesn't believe a single thing and he's saying he just thinks it's good for engaging 100 you have to be on your show Monday are you yeah I don't believe I don't think you care exactly right look I can speak for clay clay believes exactly what he says honestly I was trying to think better of you that it was just we need to make this happen listen I just I just don't care but I think it's funny that you're saying he's performative while you're being performative we fellas I'm not No one here really cares about the bad bunny. Performative. I agree. The only reason we're talking about it though is because Clay spent all night bitching and moaning about it on the internet.

39:42This is, this is - Hold on, I just want to come back to this too. Are you really - Why are you on the internet? Go outside, play on the grass. Is this the guy who started white dudes for Harris? Is that the best you got, Clay? Is that the best you got? No, no, no, I just, I want to personally, hold on. I want to personally - Because like on this show, on this show, you've questioned the validity of the Epstein survivors, then you're talking about a halftime show. I'm not sure anything better than white dudes for Harris helped white dudes convince themselves that there were Trump. There were a lot of people who had no idea that they saw you and they're like - White dudes for Harris was a very good idea.

40:13Man is dream shaking. How dare you, Clay? I really appreciate you. How dare you, Clay? Hold on, Tyrus, Tyrus, just a second. White dudes for Harris was an amazing idea and concept. Just a second, Tyrus, I've always wanted to - How dare you, sir? I've always wanted to debate with the Funkasaurus, okay? Like, I'm a huge fan of yours, so don't ruin that for me. Big fan. Okay, let's move on to something else. These aren't debatable topics.

40:39I kind of agree with you. I think what's not debatable is the fact that conservatives went to cry in a safe space. Like, who cares? Yeah, they mean that's hilarious. Safe space and they got well looked at it. You sang along. But imagine being so offended by a halftime show. None of us gave a damn. You run to create your own safe space. That's hilarious to me. What was interesting? This is more interesting.

41:28and shit. This is not everyone on the right actually. Well, not everyone on the right actually was outraged. Interestingly, given his other rank. I'm about as right as you get and I gave a frog's fat ass. I didn't care. Good for Bunny. I didn't care. I didn't care. Well, you were joined by Nick Fuentes. You were joined by Nick Fuentes. I just really want to see Clay. I really want to see Clay run. We need to get that opera singer out there just because I want to see Clay do it because he's a man of his word and he would do it. I will get arrested. I'll come on with your peers. I'll come on with you, Tyrus.

42:02I might need help with the bail, because depending on what the city is, they probably are gonna throw the book at me. We'll get a GoFundMe page or we'll get something. I gotta get my cash lined up. No, I think the next time Donald Trump has Nessun Dormer at one of his rallies, I wanna see you, Clay Travis, lead the campaign against this outrage, against your sensibilities. But it was interesting because Nick Fuentes said this about it. Let's take a look. If the white right, if the best we have to offer is the sad, dying gasp of white culture, it's like some white trash country hip hop artist from Detroit from the 90s.

42:40If that's the best we have to offer, people are going with liberal hegemony. You know, the funny thing, Clay, is I watched the Kid Rock version with the others and I enjoyed that, too, by the way. But if Kid Rock had been the halftime show, would you have been as exercised about the fact that he's obviously a very, very vocal right-wing activist? In other words, if your objection to Bad Bunny was that he's a left-wing activist politically, would you have applied the same criticism of Kid Rock, albeit you agree with him? I agree with Kid Rock. I think he's a great guy. But he appears you're missing the point.

43:20The NFL would never allow Kid Rock to perform at the Super Bowl. Yeah, but if he did do it, if he did do it, would you complain? Because he is now an outspoken Trump supporter. If Kid Rock were allowed to perform at the Super Bowl, all these guys to my left who were talking about, we don't care about who performs at the Super Bowl, they would lose their mind. Pierce, a few years ago. Yeah, but would you, Clay? That isn't true, though. Personally, I would be in favor because it hasn't been relevant in 20 years. Hold on. There's a direct analogy. Hold on, Clay. If they put Jelly Roll next year, a bunch of my people started boycotting it.

43:54I tell them they were being. Don't talk over each other. Kid Rock was selected to perform at halftime, or whatever you call it, of the NHL All-Star Game. And there was a mass uproar on the left. Hockey. Hockey. They said, oh, my goodness. Was there a safe space created, Clay? How dare the NHL connect itself to Kid Rock? There was a huge protest. Was there a safe space created on the left? The NFL would never allow him to perform. I would. Was there a safe space? Let me ask Tyrus. Why would you answer that, Claire? Tyrus, here's my point about all this. A, I agree with you, Tyrus, that actually the whole thing's sort of like a hot air.

44:34But it does seem to get everyone going. But secondly, there's got to be an intellectual honesty about these things. That's what I always try and apply to myself when I look at these things. It's like, if your view is that you don't think anyone who's a political activist, should be allowed to perform the halftime show. It's got to apply to your own side as well as the others, right? We saw all this hypocrisy over Jimmy Kimmel with that saga. And we saw some on the right, like Ted Cruz coming out and being intellectually honest about free speech. And we saw others who weren't. And you, Clay, yeah.

45:09So my point, Taurus, is, you know, I don't mind people being politically partisan, but you have to be intellectually consistent. Otherwise, I can't take it seriously. No. Well, if Pierce, that is a wonderful model, and if we were intellectually consistent across the board on both sides, we wouldn't be doing dumb shit like this. So you're a thousand percent right. And it shouldn't matter. It's a halftime show. Let him bad bunny singing. And if at the end he wants to say his thing, usually most of the time when celebrities make political statements to the masses, it doesn't play out well. So who cares?

45:44The fact that this is what this is what irritates me beyond measure. It doesn't matter. I don't care. Kid Rock, the dude, his music still holds up today. He could be a halftime show anywhere in the country. He was. They had two choices. And they had don't forget that little puppy choices and they had other channels. We have one thousand one hundred channels now with DirecTV or whatever it is. So there was options for everyone. The fact that every side doesn't police itself is a problem. And they love to point out when the other side's doing something. It's like watching your kids argue over a toy, basically.

46:18And this week, the toy is a Super Bowl. Who was more virtuous? Who was more there? Nobody was. The fact that we could all sit on our asses and watch a Super Bowl and enjoy life is a good thing. And the fact that we're complaining about it and arguing about it doesn't matter. Bad Bunny, I haven't listened to one of his songs. I have absolutely no use for him in terms of entertainment. I didn't watch the halftime show, but I didn't watch last year's either or the year before that. The only one I think I watched was Aerosmith, and that's when I was Snoop's bodyguard, and I was physically in the arena.

46:45So, again, move on from it. You want to have a fun debate, but when you start arguing and saying stuff, you want a piece of meat? Like, that is laughable. All these tough troll, all these tough keyboard trolls coming on TV talking about they're ready to fight for Bad Bunny, you know, or fight to take him down. Relax, fellas. Relax. Hold on. I just want to say, can I jump in for a second? Because, like, I'm not sitting here defending Bad Bunny. I thought the performance was fine, but it's not even close to my favorite Super Bowl halftime show. I'm just please begging people, stop making everything political.

47:16If they make Jelly Roll the headliner next year and my people start bitching about it, I'm gonna tell them to shut up too. So it's just, it's a lot of performance. And you played that clip of Megyn Kelly earlier and she's just, and Tyrus knows a lot about this, it's just WWE, right? They're just playing a character, they're playing it up when they can. And speaking of WWE, by the way, if you want to talk about Bad Bunny headlined a pay-per-view for WWE in Puerto Rico and it was one of the best things that I've seen as a pro wrestling fan. So the guy's got talent. I just don't understand anybody caring this much about the Super Bowl halftime show.

47:44People need to grow up. Yeah, okay. Let's change to something else, which is sort of similar territory for me in terms of the consistency point, Clay Travis. And it was the kind of farce over the Obama monkey meme fiasco, which erupted a few days ago. And the reason I think it's similar territory is the easiest thing the White House could have done, The intellectually honest thing, I think we all know this, is they could have just said, you know what, the president... Or he could have said it. I didn't get to the end of the thing. I reposted it, and I didn't realise there was this little meme thing at the end.

48:22And if I'd known that, I wouldn't have posted it, and I'm sorry. Donald Trump can't do that. You know, I've been friends of his for 20 years. Spoke to him last week. We had a great conversation. He does not have a valve that allows him to admit he's got something wrong or to apologize. Wouldn't it just be easy if they had, rather than initially trying to give some laborious explanation, then throw a staffer under the bus as if there's some staffer at midnight who's posting stuff under Donald Trump's name like this, when I think we all know it was him. Why doesn't he just say, yeah, I didn't get to the end, sorry?

48:59The whole thing then just diffuses. I think he eventually got there. And I mean, big picture, this is why whatever you think about me, everything from my Twitter account is me. I will not let anybody else post. If I'm going to get ripped for something, it's going to be something that I did. I think that is, to me, the story. It's a mess. I don't know how many people have access to President Trump's social media accounts. But when you're the leader of the free world, you need to have fail safe and you need to have the ability to make sure that you're not posting things like this, which are huge distractions.

49:34Now, to be fair, if you watch the full meme, it's a sort of ridiculous, absurd Lion King flavored meme where they have people of all different animals with different facial heads on them. But it's a complete unforced error. Trump acknowledged eventually that they screwed up and should not have posted it. And to me, if I were in charge of the White House social media accounts, which clearly I'm not, I would want to further curtail and restrict what we're posting until enough people have actually viewed the entirety of the videos that we're posting. So I think, you know, it's a failure that should be addressed going forward.

50:16That's my take. I think that's eventually where they ended up. But it took several hours for them to acknowledge that this was a screw up and it shouldn't have been posted as it was. Tyra, should Donald Trump just be more willing to apologise when he gets stuff wrong? I'll give you another example. When he attacked NATO forces' contribution in Afghanistan, I had a personal interest in that. My brother, who was a former British Army colonel, who came on the show to talk about it, actually, he was so angry about it. But he did three tours of Afghanistan, and he knows many, many people who were absolutely fighting on the front line.

50:52And in effect, the whole country was a front line because the Taliban were fighting everywhere. And it was incredibly insulting and hurtful what Trump said. He then did a big kind of clarification, saying how great the British forces were in particular, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he couldn't bring himself to apologise. And I just think sometimes with Donald Trump, if he just had that ability when he got something wrong, it would go a long way to calming some of the Trump derangement syndrome.

51:24Well, I think, and I only, I tend to try to answer things and put myself in that position. And I think the reason why you don't see things like that from him is because of the environment that he's in. He apologized and it turned, it's not just for face value, it's turned into something else connected to something else. I mean, he's dealing with legacy media that refers to him as Hitler. Every time he does something, it doesn't matter what it is, it's wrong, he cures cancer, he should have cured polio. It just doesn't matter. So I think his mindset is completely unapologetic. I think behind the scenes, I think if he personally insulted somebody and they were personally affected by it, President Trump would be a stand-up guy and contact them without the cameras.

52:06I know that for a fact has happened on several occasions. But again, me personally, no, I'm not apologizing. Because at this point, whatever he says, they're going to take out of context anyway. So you might as well have some fun with it. Was the meme dumb? Sure, why not? But half the shit that they say about him is dumb and stupid. And we're going to have two guys that are going to list a million things and call him all these other things. And every time he does something, it's times 40. And he spends his whole day sitting around reading Hitler's playbook and how to go after Americans that don't look like him.

52:35Like, it's pathetic. So I wouldn't apologize either at this point in my career. I just do what I do. And if you don't like it, tough. It doesn't matter if I apologize. You're not going to accept it anyways. So what's the point? You see, that's an interesting point, Mike. I suspect Tarras is right, as he often is. is that if Trump did apologise, that would just be used as a weapon against him anyway. And, you know, he's always been the same when it comes to this kind of thing. And the reality is nobody on the left ever apologises for calling him Hitler or a Nazi or any of these things. They think that's perfectly OK.

53:05But when you have something that was clearly inadvertent, I don't honestly think anybody thinks Donald Trump saw that tiny little bit of that meme at the end of what was otherwise a Biden-bashing 60-second clip that he reposted about other stuff. I don't think he got to the end and saw that. I'm pretty sure, right? So given that none of us really think he did and therefore wasn't being deliberately racist, why should he apologise given nobody ever says sorry for calling him Hitler? Well, let's be clear. If Donald Trump ever apologised for anything, I would fall to my knees because I would have assumed THAT GOD HAS INTERVENED IN HIS PRESIDENCY FINALLY.

53:45BUT LOOK, LET'S ALSO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE VIDEO THAT HE POSTED BECAUSE IT ISN'T JUST LIKE A BIDEN BASHING VIDEO. IT WAS 60 SECONDS OF TALKING ABOUT HOW THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN FROM HIM. IT WAS A BULLSHIT CONSPIRACY THEORY VIDEO AND THEN WHOEVER EDITED TOGETHER THROUGH THE RACIST THING AT THE END. MAYBE HE DIDN'T GET TO THE END OF IT OR NOT. I HAVE NO IDEA. THAT'S BETWEEN HIM AND GOD. BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THEY SPENT A WHOLE DAY LYING ABOUT IT. OKAY? IT WAS JUST A SILLY MEME. THE LEFT NEEDS TO STOP CARING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS. ACTUALLY, IT WAS REALLY OFFENSIVE. WE'RE TAKING IT DOWN AND A STAFFER DID IT.

54:14AND THEN LATER THAT DAY, TRUMP WAS LIKE, NO, I DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE. I SAW IT AND I POSTED IT AND I WAS FINE WITH IT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE TOOK IT DOWN. AND TO ME, IT'S SO EMBLEMATIC OF EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THIS ADMINISTRATION. THEY LIE ABOUT THIS. THEY LIE ABOUT THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY. THEY LIE ABOUT THE EFSTEIN FILE. THEY LIE ABOUT HIS CORRUPTION, THEY LIE ABOUT ICE. I MEAN, FOR GOD'S SAKE, WE'RE A COUPLE OF WEEKS REMOVED FROM THE MURDER OF ALEX PERETTI ON THE STREETS OF AN AMERICAN CITY AND THIS ADMINISTRATION IS NOT TAKING IT SERIOUSLY. THEY'RE ATTACKING HIM AS A DOMESTIC TERRORIST AND CLAIMING THAT HE WAS AN ASSASSIN.

54:40SO THEY LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING. SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT I CARE ABOUT THIS MEME. LIKE, IT'S A DUMB, STUPID THING. TO ME IT IS OFFENSIVE, BUT I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT. IT'S JUST THIS IS EVERY SINGLE that happens in the Trump administration. They lie, they have zero credibility on anything. And God, to Tyrese's point, if Donald Trump did cure cancer, I would also fall to my knees and celebrate him for that. But I gotta wait for him to solve any problem in America, let alone that. Say, Nicola, have you always felt like the idea of the tax-experience with one leg in the house to be in the house? No, not at all.

55:07Why is the tax-experience the app with which I can't really do anything wrong? Wow, so that means everything is safe? Yes, exactly. Why is the tax-experience the tax-experience the way you understand? Because the tax It's your whole life. Work, children, partner. You can't do anything wrong. Right. Nice. It doesn't feel like paying. Paying. Safe. With Visa, pay. Now, test it.

55:47in this country can see that if he couldn't apologize for something like this, he can't apologize for anything. And I think it's just a whole story that's just completely indicative of his entire White House, everything that we've seen, the scandals left and right, the economy in tatters. It's just really just him just being himself. Let's end by talking about this appalling story about Savannah Guthrie and her mother, which has sent a real shudder through, I think, a lot of spines, not least people who are on television, like we all are in some capacity, and about our families and about what this may mean for security and all the rest of it.

56:28I mean, who knows what has really happened here? But, Taras, what do you make of this story? It's so strange in so many ways. And then we saw this horrific video coming out of this masked guy at the door, which clearly seems to confirm that she was abducted. But we don't know what the hell has happened to Nancy Guthrie. What do you make of it? You know, I think we've had so many experts give so many opinions. When I first saw the thing, I thought those eyes looked like a woman. You know, it's just one of those things where it's a tragedy. And I'm just kind of watching to see how it plays out. You know, every time I see something, I think something.

57:11And it just kidnapping just seems like such a compliment, a complicated thing to attempt, given today's technology and the ability to track things. Like, I'm always wondering, like, how are you going to even get the money out of the Bitcoin once you get it in there? You know, the addresses and all that kind of stuff. But overall, man, it's it's terrible. And I guess the one nice thing is that everyone is in agreement over this. This is you don't hear anyone arguing over her voting habits. Everyone generally is concerned and wants we all want a happy ending. Unfortunately, I think life oftentimes doesn't give us that, what we hope for.

57:45But, you know, I just wait to see how it plays out. But I think they're getting close. I think they'll probably have some answer for us soon. I don't think once they've got that video stuff, I think it's only a matter of time before they catch the people involved with us. Yeah. Clay, you know, I actually thought the president via his press secretary made a very good statement about this. and clearly he called Savannah Guthrie, who probably is not a big Trump fan. He did the right thing on this. It was quite presidential, I think, the way he's responded to it. And it has gripped not just the country, it's gripped the world.

58:21I've had family members of mine who've never heard of Savannah Guthrie, but they're kind of completely enthralled with the drama of what is happening here. Because at the end of it, you're just thinking about your own parents, your own mother, if your mother's still alive, and what this means and how appalling it must be for them. What's your view of it? Yeah, look, when kids around my age, our generation, were growing up with America's Most Wanted, one of the things we were always taught, lectured by parents, grandparents, there was this idea that young kids were going to be kidnapped. And I remember having that fear when you would go to a mall or you would go to a public location, there was this idea that people were preying on innocent kids and you might be kidnapped, never heard from again.

59:08Fortunately, in the United States, we just don't have that many kidnappings and we almost never have kidnappings for ransoms of kids, of adults, of grandmothers like Nancy Guthrie. And so I think the reason why it struck so many people is it's a true mystery as to what the motivations of these individuals are and who they are. But fortunately, we just don't have this happen. You know, somebody's mom, somebody's grandma are getting kidnapped like this. I think it does evoke a reaction across the entire nation where everybody sits back and says, you know, what would I do if this happened to my own mom?

59:42What would we do if this happened to grandma? And as Tyra said, I hope we are going to end up with a happy ending. But the longer this goes on, the more problematic and troubling I think that becomes, given her age and also just the danger, obviously, incumbent on any kind of kidnapping like this. So I understand why it's gripped everybody in the nation as a whole. Yeah, I mean, Mike, the poor woman has medication, which apparently would have run out after several days. It's been 10 days now. Everyone is following this, and it may well end in a tragic ending. The longer it goes on, the more likely, sadly, that is probably going to be the case.

1:00:25But what has this story done to you? I mean, what have you been feeling as you've been following it? Yeah, it's just, I mean, it's just scary. Like, I don't know how else to describe that. I mean, I don't know Savannah Guthrie, but I think I can put myself in that shoes like Clay just talked about. So it's, I mean, for everybody here, we've all faced death threats at some point. I mean, I had some prominent conservative influencer threaten me and my son. It was Laura Loomer, who's an advisor to President Trump. Like, she threatened my son in a private DM, and I had the cops at my house a couple months ago, just making sure everything was okay, had to redo my security, had to pay to have my family members' information removed from the internet so you can't find out where my mom lives like it's just it's a scary thing and like I hope that the FBI finds her and um I'm I'm I'm worried like you are every day that this goes it just gets less likely that this is going to end in a in a positive way and it's just terrifying

1:01:18Isaiah yeah I think that we all see ourselves in Nancy Guthrie's story um we all think about our own parents we all think about our relatives and our lives and I think what's making this really take off across America is that it could happen to any single one of us. And so the longer this goes on, I think, as everyone here has said, the worse it can possibly be. But we're all just, I think, in America praying for somewhat of some good news to come out of the situation, because it's really horrific, no matter who you are in America. You know, it's interesting, isn't it? Because the Super Bowl is supposed to be the big unifying event for Americans.

1:01:58And yet I would argue this horrific story has been much more unifying in the sense that I don't see anyone trying to score political points. They could, people could. I just haven't seen it. Well, because it's real. It's a real thing, Pierce. This is a real thing. This is objective or virtuous or something you can say, you can say YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCES. THIS IS A REAL THING. NO ONE IS CARING. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HER ABILITY TO BE CONSERVATIVE OR TO BE A DEMOCRAT THAT'S GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS SITUATION. THIS IS A REAL-LIFE SITUATION. AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE ARE THAT THE GENERAL AMERICAN GROUPS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONDING ARE ACTING LIKE CONCERNED CITIZENS.

1:02:45And I think that's refreshing. So the unified sometimes it takes a tragedy to bring people together and focus on what's really important in life. I would add, too, to me it's a lot like what happened to Charlie Kirk, his assassination. It's just so horrific that the normal human reaction to it should be, oh, my God. In the moment, it was like, I hope he survived. But thinking about his wife and his kids and just being a person for once. That's all that it is. Yeah, I mean, the sad thing about the Charlie Kirk killing was, unfortunately, that was not met with a unified response. A lot of people acted like assholes after that.

1:03:18Yeah, there were people on the left who just behaved disgustingly. Absolutely disgustingly. And I was pleased to see... There were people on the right, too, but it was wrong the way a lot of people acted. The same way when Joe Biden announced that he had cancer. I was pleased to see some... Look, let's not get political about it. I was just pleased to see some people on the left call out that bullshit. Because to see doctors and university professors... It was nice for a second, wasn't it, when we were all agreeing, Pierce? It was nice for a second, wasn't it? Yeah, you know... We're still agreeing now.

1:03:45We kind of are, but we're Charlie Kirk's test. Here we go. Here we go. We did it for five seconds. I was going to end this on a good line. I was going to end this on a good line. What did you say to me, you left wing? Let Clay in the show. Come at me, bro. Clay, close us out with a bit of unity, for God's sake. I'll take us home, Pierce. uniformly with what we do unfortunately we can all look at what happened to nancy guthrie's mom and think there's somebody crazy enough that might be willing to do that to one of our families and i think that's why it strikes home so much across the entire spectrum uh because who knows who it might be um and uh you know utterly i think americans of all stripes condemn uh this kind of violence there you go pierce there's a positive way to end it you know what i i think that's very well said and we're going to leave it on that moment of unity.

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