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23:27Piers Morgan:And if it hadn't been for one Secret Service agent who spotted the barrel of this rifle coming out of the bush, Trump would probably have been killed that day. And now, third time, you have this guy. We hired him, missed him. The only reason we caught him was because a woman in the parking lot wrote down his license plate number. That guy got in the car, drove away, and was like 50 miles away. This is incompetent. I'm surprised it's infuriating to be nobody's talking about it. I agree. The point, to finish my point, it's just, okay, you've got the rooftop would be the first place he'd check. That part of his golf course would be the second place he'd check, but they didn't.

24:03Piers Morgan:And here you've got a guy who's checked himself into the hotel on the Friday, armed to the teeth. And you're like, how is that even possible? This is bureaucracy. Let me give you an example. I wish I had said this before. I go to the Atlanta Braves baseball team, Major League Baseball. My kids are monster fans. I'm a fan. There is a hotel with rooms that overlook the stadium. The Atlanta Braves security comes and checks the rooms to make sure you don't have guns in those rooms before every Atlanta Braves baseball game. How the hell do the Atlanta Braves have better security than the president of the United States?

24:47They didn't go around to the hotel rooms and check and see, hey, let me make sure that there's no one with guns or, God forbid, bombs staying in this hotel. It's crazy to me. Yeah. Yeah. Pierce, let me say one other thing about this. I think it's really shocking. And I hope there's bipartisanship on this. This is the problem with government work and bureaucracy. The Secret Service should be the best of the best. There has been far too much DEI in there. It puts Democrats at risk when they're in leadership. Come on. I'm going to you can argue. It's all you got, Ben. I'm going to I'm going to go back to what happened.

25:27There should be no female Secret Service agents. They should not exist. We should have the baddest ass special force badasses on the planet. You should have the best of the best. And there is data that backs up what I'm saying, that we had far too much DEI in hiring, not only at the Secret Service, but also at the FBI. and we had people that should never have been in positions of power there. Now, I say this as someone that there's Secret Service that's still protecting every living president, including Democrats. It is far too easy to get close to a Democrat and or Republican, former president, current president, their family members.

26:02And there needs to be a massive overhaul. I don't want anyone, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, the list goes on, to have this be this easy to go after a president of the United States of America. And part of this is clearly a massive failure. And it's because of bureaucracy. You should have the best of the best. They should be the, I mean, still Team Six should be immediately the first that you think of to come in here. You're dealing with terrorists around the world and you're dealing with these types of individuals. And what you have is a bureaucratic agency that should look nothing like a bureaucratic agency.

26:38So I hope that Democrats and Republicans will say together, this has got to be changed because this is far too many shots being taken at a current president. And by the way, there will be a Democratic president. I want them to have the baddest ass people around them, no matter who they are. And if you guys get a Kamala Harris in there, I want them to be safe as they can possibly be everywhere they go, including their staff, including their cabinet members, including the vice president. I don't care about politics. They need to be safe. And clearly right now there's a massive lapse. Can I jump in here for a second?

27:12All right, check in here.

27:12Piers Morgan:Okay, okay. Mike, know this first, then check, yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, I agree that the Secret Service should be the best of the best, and I think we should wait to find out what actually happened instead of making assumptions based on the limited information that we have right now about what happened Saturday. You've got a video of the dude running past. Are you saying that was good security? Congratulations. You can look at a video, Ben, but Donald Trump and the rest of the administration are saying the Secret Service did their job. So why don't we let there be an investigation before you guys do what you always do?

27:37You blame it on DEI. When the plane crashed just a few weeks after Donald Trump was inaugurated, I was in D.C. that day. They blamed it on DEI, too. So it's just ridiculous. Like, let's figure out what actually happened and then make a determination. And they fired five times, Mike, and missed him. And they have hit another Secret Service agent. And they have almost captured him because he tripped the bell. Why don't you just wait and let the people whose job it is to figure out what happened actually figure it out instead of just making an assumption and going back to the bullshit talking points?

28:05Like, it's just it's ridiculous. Let law enforcement do their job and let them make their improvements. It's not a bullshit talking point. I was going to pretend Democrat president is not a bullshit talking point. The problem is you guys want to make assumptions about everything. Like, it's just lazy. So what grade would you give? Let me ask you this. Wait, wait, wait. Let me ask you this. What grade would you give the Secret Service over the last two years? Would you give them an A? or a B or C? What would you give them? No, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't give them an A. I'm not saying the Secret Service is doing a good job, but I want, I don't know what I would give them.

28:35I don't have access to the information. You guys are the ones that are just making - A guy on a roof, a guy on a roof - Give him an F, like whatever. Shooting the present and no one watching that roof. You can't grade that as an F. I agree. This is why I say it's DEI. You guys are obsessed with social promotion - No, you see, you're blaming it on DEI. You don't have anything to back that up. It's just lazy. You guys have the same three talking points. Like it's just so unbelievably lazy. How would you fix it then? What would you call it? Educate me. Tell me why, what you would do to explain it.

29:02What happened in Butler? What happened the other night? What happened where the people go to take pictures, the same damn place that take pictures of the president playing golf? What would it teach me? Tell me in the liberal world, listen, how you would fix it then? No, Ben, clearly there were breakdowns in security and they should be fixed by people who know what the hell they're talking about. Not for political commentators on Piers Morgan's YouTube show. That's the point that I'm making. You come on here with a cheap political talking point to blame it on DEI when you don't know anything that's going on.

29:29You don't know anything about security. Clay doesn't know anything about security. Neither do I. Stop making assumptions. I saw Butler. Hold on. It's not DEI. To be honest, okay, guys, it's not DEI to say SEAL Team 6 should be in charge of protecting the press. I mean, you want SEAL Team 6 to go do that. That isn't Seal Team 6's job. Seal Team 6's job is to go out there and kill bad guys. That's what they're trained to do. Their job is not to protect the president of the United States. Because they are super badasses. Why would you not want the best people to protect and kill people? I want the super badasses going out there and killing evil people.

30:00I want them to go find bin Laden. You don't want them to protect the president? That is crazy.

30:04Piers Morgan:Let me jump in. Let me jump in, please. I want to bring in Cenk. He's been waiting unusually patiently. Because this segues Cenk for me. And by all means, join in that debate. But it also segues into this debate about left v right political violence. Now, the Center for Strategic and International Studies reported last September that in recent years, the U.S. has seen an increase in the number of left wing terrorism attacks and plots. And in fact, for the first time in many years, 2025, in fact, the first time in 30 years was the first year where left wing terrorist attacks outnumbered those from the violent far right.

30:41Piers Morgan:So let's not get into who's worse, just except there's been a lot of political violence on both sides. But why is political violence from the left surging in the way that it is? And I was particularly concerned about this guy's twisted manifesto because there were no red flags about him, no criminal record, nothing to suggest any violence in him at all. He's a teacher. He just won an award a few months ago. Right. What would have driven this guy? And then you read the rhetoric of his manifesto, as he put it. And you're seeing you talk about talking points. You're seeing a lot of the talking points that are drummed out on the left quite regularly have somehow permeated into his brain.

31:24Piers Morgan:A substantial brain, by all accounts. Very smart guy. and they've made him get a train right across America, book himself into a hotel, and then try and attempt mass murder, which is what was on his mind. And my question for you, Cenk, is park right-wing political violence to one side for a moment. I'm not pretending they don't have a similar issue. I mean, it hasn't been worse historically in the last 30 years. Focus just for this, on this particular guy and coming off the back of a year where left-wing political violence has overtaken right-wing violence for the first time in three decades. What is happening here, and how do we stop it?

32:05Yeah, I reject all of the framing in this conversation. But let me address the heart of the matter and then this nonsense talking point that Ben had. So, number one, I abhor violence. Political violence is intellectual surrender. That's saying I'm pathetic, I don't know how to win a debate, So I'll resort to being a savage and doing violence or terrorism instead. So I hate it on the right. I hate it on the left. And if you're a person who is for peace, especially if you're on the left and our movement is for peace and nonviolence. Well, then if you do violence by definition, you're not one of us.

32:43OK, we banish you and you don't represent a single person other than your stupid ass. OK, so now I won't put right wing violence aside because, as you just said, historically, right wing violence has been much more severe. But that's OK. I'm not trying to blame people. I'm trying to get past it. OK, for both sides, for God's sake, what is violence going to solve? All it's going to create is more violence. And why are we killing each other? This doesn't make any sense at all. We should be resolving this in an American way. And that's through debate and politics and winning the day through your arguments.

33:19So and both sides have gotten out of hand. But on the left, are there people egging on violence? I literally never see that. Right. That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. And now I'm disheartened to see people on the left doing it. On the right, we all know Donald Trump has historically said violence is great, that you should beat up people who he disagrees with and he'll pay the legal costs. And Donald Trump encourages kind of rhetoric from day one. And I don't think it's healthy. I don't think it's healthy for him or for anyone else. Now, I do think... Well, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

33:56Piers Morgan:Hang on, on that point, it's relevant to what you just said, because we actually have a mashup of Donald Trump talking in the way that you're describing. Let's just watch this. Knock the crap out of him, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell... I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. We have the enemy from within. And the enemy from within, in my opinion, is more dangerous than China, Russia, and all these countries. Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole... That's going to be the least of it. It's going to be a bloodbath for the country.

34:32For those who have been wronged and betrayed, of which there are many people out there that have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution. We will take care of it. We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. Like to punch them in the face, I'll tell you. she's a radical war hawk let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her okay let's see how she feels about it you know when the guns are trained on her face you know they're all war hawks when they're sitting in Washington in a nice building saying oh gee will let's send 10 ,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy

35:28Piers Morgan:now that substantiates the point you're making Chang. Yeah, you see, look, that is so unhelpful, including to Donald Trump. There's one clip in there that isn't quite right. The bloodbath clip was about the economy, not about violence. But the rest of it was purely about violence. And in fact, that last one was a rhetorical shot at chicken hawks. And so if he just left it at they're hypocritical, there's no problem. But now look at what he said. if they're going to send in troops to the Middle East, they should have guns pointed at their face. Now he's sending in troops to the Middle East, and that's why you shouldn't talk like that, because it encourages violence overall.

36:09Now, to the Secret Service. Look, guys, they've had tremendous failures, and I have a ton of questions. And a lot of people on the left and the right have a ton of questions about their performance, including, by the way, the guy who failed miserably in Butler, Pennsylvania, California, the head of the Secret Service in that particular location and date, has now been promoted to the head of the Secret Service. That is a very curious, bizarre thing. And by the way, if you listen to Ben talk, you would think that the Secret Service is all minorities and women. No, it's overwhelmingly white males.

36:42So why are you blaming white males? Is that your problem with DEI, that we're hiring too many white people or too many men? So the guy who got promoted is also a white male. I think the real question isn't this distraction about identity politics and culture wars. The real question is what the hell is going on? Why did they let him take that shot in Butler? Why did they move the photographers into place to get the exact right shot? There's a lot of people on the right as well as the left going, that Butler, Pennsylvania shooting makes no sense at all. And we're not saying we know who did it and what happened.

37:15What we're asking is why doesn't our government care about shooting of the president? Why doesn't Trump care? Trump never talks about it. Normally Trump would be crazy about what a hero he is, etc. When I talk about bureaucracy and DEI, it's not just women. There's social promotion of men of certain, whether it's skin color or political beliefs. You've made that agency far too... But the Secret Service is overwhelmingly white, Ben. Let me at least finish what I'm saying. If you're getting promoted because you're a bureaucrat, because you're a liberal white guy, okay? then that's not a for liberal white guys in the secret service.

37:52I know the white guys are liberal. I mean, my God, it's just promoted. There are no bounds of reason. I believe, I absolutely believe this is why you guys are getting creamed in the midterms right now. You have nothing. I'm going to, nothing. I'm going to finish my point. I'm going to finish what I was saying. Nothing but culture war crap. Go ahead. It is a failed culture war bullshit. Identity politics nonsense. I'm going to finish my point. I didn't interrupt you on when you were saying it. I listened to what you said. Ben, you're the biggest interrupter in the entire commentator set. You've been interrupting me since the minute we started this.

38:21Like, stop. Come on. You actually got the last time I talked to you, Ben. You were on CNN and the host had to tell you to shut up. I'm literally going to finish what I said. And I'll go back to the core point here. If you run the Secret Service the way it's being run now, it will continue to be a failure. There needs to be a massive overhaul of the Secret Service for Democrats and Republicans. The way that it's being done now is not working. when you've got a guy that can run through, have multiple people shoot him, and he not get hit by what's supposed to be the best security force for a president of the United States of America, whether a Democrat or Republican, and he can run right through the damn metal detectors and then get shot at and no one shoot him.

38:59And the only thing that saved him from being killed, I guess, is that he fell down and saved people's lives in that room. Like, let's not act like the Secret Service is above reproach here. And there has to be a moment where we say, No one is saying that they're above reproach, Ben. Ben, nobody is saying that the Secret Service is above reproach. You're just making it about stupid identity politics because it's all you have.

39:20Piers Morgan:Let me jump in. Let me jump in. Let me jump in. Because we've got a very slight delay from me to you guys. So I just want to make sure we can get to other stuff here. Clay, obviously Trump says a lot of incendiary things. And, you know, his language about Iran, for example, you know, talking about wiping out the whole country. All of that is what I would categorize as unnecessarily over the top political, violent rhetoric. And all of it permeates down to disturbed minds in some way. I'm a firm believer in that. I do think that people calling Trump Hitler and a Nazi and all the rest of it, that to the deranged mind.

39:58Piers Morgan:I keep Jeffrey's maximum warfare all the time. He was official when he said that. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. I mean, this is for Clay. But my point is that I think it works on both sides. I think incendiary, violent kind of rhetoric or massively over the top, exaggerated rhetoric like Trump's a Nazi or Hitler. To the deranged mind, it's like a signal to them to go and deal with that problem. If he's really the new Hitler, we've got to kill him. It's a public duty. And that brings me to the Jimmy Kimmel saga, where just to remind people what he said, I think we've got the full clip here. Our first lady Melania is here.

40:37Look at Melania. So beautiful. Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow. Obviously was a joke about their age difference and the look of joy we see on her face every time they're together. It was a very light roast joke about the fact that he's almost 80 and she's younger than I am. It was not by any stretch of the definition a call to assassination. And they know that.

41:04Piers Morgan:Now, for what it's worth, my thoughts about the Kimmel thing are that I didn't think the joke was funny. I found his explanation a bit torturous. But I do think that the right has to be careful. It doesn't fall into the same trap it has always accused the left of doing, which is wanting to cancel comedians for jokes. He may not like it. It's tasteless and so on. And he didn't say it in the aftermath of this shooting, obviously. But at the same time, Clay, it plays into this whole debate that everyone's having about violent rhetoric. And I would say that Kimmel's a hypocrite because he wouldn't have said that about Michelle Obama or about Jill Biden.

41:44Piers Morgan:He wouldn't. He wouldn't have done that joke. And he could easily have done it about Jill Biden. Exactly the same joke when it was obvious that Joe Biden was a walking zombie and Jill's a lot younger than him. He never did. So to me, it highlighted the ongoing issue that I have with the late night guys, which is that to a man and the irony is always never lost on me that for the guys that bang on most about DEI, they're all middle aged white guys that they to a man, they skew to the liberal left and they have a double standard that drives what they do. But I don't think he should be cancelled.

42:22Piers Morgan:And I think it's dangerous for the conservative right to call for him to be cancelled or to put pressure on Disney or whatever it may be, because that's exactly what they've always accused the woke left of doing. Your thoughts? Yeah, look, the punchline is Melania hates President Trump and is going to be excited when he actually dies, whether it's of old age or whether it's because somebody kills him. Right. I don't think that's a very good punchline. I don't think it's particularly funny joke. And I agree with your peers never would have been said about said about Michelle Obama, Laura Bush or or certainly Jill Biden.

42:58Now, they probably would push back and say, well, they actually love their husband. but then you're getting into why the joke wasn't funny, because if you have to explain humor, it loses its punch. I would not fire Jimmy Kimmel. I defended him when he made the last tasteless joke, so-called. Look, I have a dark sense of humor. I'm in favor of tasteless jokes. I'm in favor of humor in general. I think we're all better when we laugh more. What I would do, Pierce, if you're asking me how I would respond to this, we got a new CEO of Disney, I would actually defend Jimmy Kimmel by setting forth the new precedent.

43:37And that is, we're not going to fire people for jokes or because the cancel culture comes for them. I've got two examples recently inside of Disney that I think would make a lot of sense. Maybe three. One, I would rehire Roseanne, let her do a comedy special. Hey, we didn't make a good decision when we fired her over a joke, whether we liked it or not. I would also go back. I don't know if you ever watch it. The Bachelor. They fired Chris Harrison for defending someone going to a party back when they were in college. He'd been on the show for 20 years. I would bring him back. I know they got their own issues right now with The Bachelor and Bachelorette overthrowing chairs and everything else.

44:15And then I know they kind of said this, but I would say it even more publicly. They fired Gina Carano from the show The Mandalorian for so-called conservative posts relating to to her opinions on Instagram. I would set a new precedent, and that would be we're going to be wide open creatively. Sometimes creative people are going to say things that people of a variety of perspectives find offensive. But that's the job of being in creative business. So I would defend Jimmy. I'd defend Roseanne. I'd defend Chris Harrison. I don't want anybody getting canceled for actual opinions. Now, acts where you commit acts of violence, things like that, that's very different.

44:52But that would be my perspective on it. And I think conservatives are making poor choices.

44:59Piers Morgan:Before I go to the others, I'll come to you, Mike, next. Before I go to the others, Clay, do you accept that Donald Trump should dial down his rhetoric? I mean, that was the point that Kimmel made. Melani, if you want to start, because Melani was obviously very upset about it, and I totally understand it. But she made the point, you know, that he shouldn't have said it, blah, blah, blah. And Kimmel replied, well, the reality of this joke is that it was a joke and you should just accept it. And if you want to start with rhetoric, which is not very nice, start with your husband. Right. So do you accept that Donald Trump's own rhetoric doesn't really give him the bragging rights or the high moral ground when it comes to this issue?

45:43Well, look, I think Trump's jokes and Trump's often bull in a china shop vocabulary and way to express himself should be of anyone who should be more in favor of wide expression. It's Trump. And look, Pierce, I doubt this is ever going to happen. I think Jimmy Kimmel should have Donald Trump on as a guest. And I think he should talk to him like late night host to talk to the president of the United States. I agree. I don't tune in to Jimmy Kimmel to see him try to analyze geopolitical issues. Back in the day, do you remember when Fallon went on and kind of rubbed Trump's hair and everybody ripped Jimmy Fallon?

46:20Yeah, and they never did it again. It was great TV. Yeah, it was actually what TV should be, by the way. Well, I remember.

46:28Piers Morgan:Well, yeah, well, let me come to Mike Nellis. I mean, I remember when Greg Gutfeld went on Jimmy Fallon. I think he was, wasn't it? Was it Fallon or was it Kimmel? Yeah, it was Kimmel. I think it was Fallon. It was Kimmel, whichever one it was. It was Fallon, you're right, I'm sorry. It was Fallon. And it was deemed a huge controversial moment that a Fox News comedian would be on a late night show. And I remember scratching my head going, well, there, right there is the problem. Right there. The fact that Greg Gutfeld is a hilariously funny guy, is the number one guy in the ratings on cable news, both with The Five and his own show.

47:09Piers Morgan:The idea that his appearance on a late night show in America would be deemed remotely controversial because they skew so left. I think somebody, New York Post, did a check of how many right-wing guests Jimmy Kimmel had had after the last thing he had. And it was like one in four years. I mean, it's ridiculous. So there is a genuine bias, genuine bias that is inherent in those late night shows, Mike, which I think does them all a disservice. I loved it with, I used to go on Jay Leno, or I went on David Letterman, or whatever it was, and they were all impartial guys. They just had everybody on. What's happened to that?

47:47Well, I want to start by giving Clay a little bit of praise for being ideologically consistent on comedy, because a lot of his fellow MAGA influencers are not, and I just appreciate it anytime somebody's actually being consistent on their values, because I also have a dark sense of humor, and I like a good joke, and I don't really care for Kimmel. I never really tuned into a show. I was more of a Conan guy when I actually stayed up that late. But I think this whole thing is silly. Now, the one thing I will push back on just a little bit is like comparing what Jimmy Kimmel said to like Roseanne Barr and Gina Caruno, whatever her last name is, I apologize.

48:17But like Roseanne Barr tweeted a racial slur against Valerie Jarrett. That was highly offensive. It was not a joke. It was like a sincere comment that was frankly very offensive. And Gina compared her compared being a Republican to being a Holocaust survivor. So it's just a little bit different. And I think that's why they got fired. And it isn't about comedy. It's about you say something stupid your employer can fire you that's true whether or not you're a comedian it's also true if you're one of the idiot liberals who was celebrating charlie kirk's assassination a few months ago you can be fired by your employer for saying something stupid now a lot of this is is very much in bad faith i agree that probably liberal shows could do a better job of having conservatives on that we can all do a better job of having real conversations which to your credit peers like you brought on two liberals you brought on two conservatives we're having a conversation sometimes it's unpleasant but we could do a lot more of that and i don't have a problem with Donald Trump going to do Jimmy Kimmel's show, but Trump would never do Jimmy Kimmel's show.

49:07I mean, he only agreed to do the White House Correspondents Dinner this weekend because they wouldn't invite a comedian. And it used to be an event where the whole purpose was the president of the United States would sit and take his lumps from a comedian, whether or not it was Barack Obama or George W. Bush. So we've kind of gotten away from that. And I think I would take, going back to like what Clay said earlier about the signs that were outside the White House Correspondents Dinner about killing the president and killing everybody who was there. It's disgusting. Like people should not say that.

49:32They should not put that on a sign. But I would take those criticisms with a grain of salt because they're not willing to call out the president of the United States for the things that he said. And the president of the United States not that long ago was calling Democrats terrorists and saying that they were treasonous and then talking about how George Washington would have hung Democrats for having opinions that are different than Donald Trump. So he invites this stuff. He has moved the Overton window. Plenty of people on the left do it too. But the president of the United States is the president of the United States and he continues to use incendiary rhetoric that has created this moment in time that we're in more than anybody else.

50:01Piers, let me say this. This is like classic victim shaming. It's victim shaming. You've got 30 seconds, Ben. It's victim shaming. This is the problem with Jimmy Kimmel and with so many. Every single time someone tries to kill Donald Trump, there is this rhetoric afterwards like, well, I mean, you kind of should expect it because Donald Trump said X, Y, and Z. Like Jimmy Kimmel the other night, the audience was clearly laughing, not at an age joke. And by the way, Jimmy Kimmel, if you're being funny and you make a mistake, you can tweet out you made a mistake. You don't have to wait till Monday to correct it.

50:36And he didn't correct it. He doubled down and came up with an excuse. Nobody thinks Jimmy Kimmel was trying to be violent. Can we skip this crap? This is obvious bullshit. Have you watched the show every night? Obvious, obvious, obvious bullshit. He genuinely has the definition of Trump-Durange syndrome. He hates President Trump. The only Durange syndrome is whatever the hell you have. He hates President Trump. It was a joke about him being killed. And if you want to clarify, if it was a joke about him being older than Melania, you take your phone out and you be a real man and you go, in light of what happened five minutes ago, my joke the other night was inappropriate and I'm sorry that it was put out there in the world.

51:11Oh, shut up about jokes. You can fix it. You're a joke. Again, because you guys want Donald Trump to die. That's what it boils down to. You have no problem when people take shots at him. You're a total expert. Let me just say, you're a joke and I still allow you. Every time someone takes a shot. You know who we need? You know who we need?

51:30Piers Morgan:You know who we need right now? We need King Charles to intervene to bring some unity to this panel. My hopes we can replicate what happened in the Congress. Sadly, sadly fallen at the last hurdle. But thank you all very much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks, Peter. See you. One of the many things that was expected to overshadow this week's royal visit was the Epstein files. The former Prince Andrew is, of course, the king's brother. But in the event, it barely registered. Joining me now is Tara Palmieri. She's the host of the Tara Palmieri show, who's covered the story exhaustively and extremely comprehensively.

52:05Piers Morgan:Well, I might add. Tara, welcome back to Uncensored. King Charles has been criticised for not meeting any of the Jeffrey Epstein victims. My understanding was that Queen Camilla was quite keen to do that and has spoken out about this before. but they have been advised by lawyers that it would be inappropriate for them to do so because of the ongoing police inquiries. What do you feel about this? Would it have been a good thing for them to have spoken out or should they take legal advice and just honour that? You know, I've heard mixed things. I think, you know, the Epstein survivors are not being advised by the same lawyers, obviously, and some of them would have liked to have met with the king, even if it was like a simple handshake to observe them, because many of them were on the Capitol.

52:54They were in the Capitol when he was giving his address to Congress. But I think what this entire spectacle that we saw in Washington was about when King Charles came to town without obviously stating the elephant in the room that his brother is under investigation right now, that he's been abused by middle-class American girls of sexual abuse. You know, it's created a sort of sense that there is elite normalization going on right now around the Epstein files and the Epstein case. And that's what we've seen all along. You know, you have an attendance at a state dinner. You have this garden party where you're having members of both sides just vetting him elite media, you know, enjoying being around the king.

53:38And really, there are some unresolved moral issues going on with the monarchy and that institution. And I think that if he did the very least address them, whether it's in his speech or acknowledge them in comments or meet with them, I think it would send a real sign to our leadership in our country, including President Trump, who has some sort of, you know, royal, I guess you could call it fascination. He seems to be very, he seems to fantasize the idea of being a king himself, as you saw from his two kings posts. I think it would send a really strong symbol to him that it's not something that the rest of the world is ignoring.

54:24And he's willing to let it, you know, take up a new cycle in his own visit.

54:31Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, Lauren Boebert, the congresswoman, she said this afterwards, after the King's speech to Congress. Let's take a listen. Congresswoman, should the King be meeting with Jeffrey Epstein's survivor? Some of the victims of Virginia Dufresne are here today in Congress. You know, it's interesting. Last night we were given a list of do's and don'ts for the King by the Speaker. and we were told, you know, no selfies, no touching, no hugging, no conversations. And it really sounds like a list of don'ts, you know, for the royal family with victims more than members of Congress. So it sounds like everything that his family's already done.

55:14Piers Morgan:I mean, it was a sharp point and some people will have some empathy with that point. But I think it's important to recognise that King Charles has never faced any allegations of any involvement with Epstein. It's nothing to do with him. It's his brother who's been completely disgraced. He should face, in my opinion, Andrew, investigators and authorities. But there's a moment resisting that. But we'll see how that plays out. There is this ongoing sense, though, Tara, that the UK has been getting his act together about holding men to account over this Epstein scandal. Lord Mandelson, disgraced and investigated by police, Andrew, disgraced, arrested and so on.

55:55Piers Morgan:But we're not seeing that pattern in the United States. You're seeing some men below the radar a bit who are sort of being brought to account. But none of the big high profile names that have been associated with Epstein have had the similar kind of public shaming, police investigation and so on. Why is that? I mean, it seems like the public officials, that's the problem in America, is that our civil servants, our public officials, our politicians, they haven't faced justice. The only people who have actually paid, I guess you could say, in their reputations or losing their positions are people who work at various institutions like Larry Summers.

56:31You saw Leon Black have to step down from the board of the private equity firm he founded, Glenn Dubin. And there's just been, you know, various various members of the media and of elite, you know, financial institutions and and education that have have had to pay some consequences. But we haven't seen anyone in public life actually be investigated. And that's the difference between the United States and the rest of the world, frankly, where they're actually opening. They're actually opening investigations into possible impropriety impropriety between Epstein and members that now are in our cabinet that, you know, even all the way to the top President Trump.

57:14But I just want to go back to the idea that, you know, King Charles, he made an impassioned plea to Congress, you know, that we need to remember our humanitarian roots. We have to defend democratic values. And it's like, there are so many accountability questions hanging over his brother, over, you know, over him. And I know that in the UK, you are actually investigating him, but not for the crime of sexual abuse. It's something completely unrelated. And so it just feels like there's a bit of a mismatch there when he comes to the United States and sort of tries to appeal to our moral higher ground.

57:54And yes, he should be because we are failing in that place. And in some ways, the UK is doing better. But I don't think we can just sort of say, you know, I don't think we can give this one a pass and say this was just a successful visit.

58:09Piers Morgan:And just finally, Tara, do you think we're going to see the remaining three million documents in the Epstein files? Because it does seem quite extraordinary that half of the files just haven't been made public. I mean, I can't think of anything less transparent. actually more than that peers if you count the 40 terabytes of video i mean that would answer so many questions and we know from you know we know from emails within the fbi that they're sitting on this and i don't know how we're ever going to get this without either whistleblowers maybe maybe some of the lawsuits against the doj will will stand but it's it's really it's it's it's really baffling and i don't know that the next administration is going to want to um release them because everyone looks so bad and i think it would just place so much doubt in the department of justice and create so much suspicion and i think it really reveals you know national security concerns etc how is epstein related to national security concerns because that's why they're withholding those millions of documents.

59:20Piers Morgan:Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Tara, keep up your great work. You've been doing brilliant investigative stuff on this. Thank you. And I appreciate it. I'm sure lots of other people do too. Thank you very much for joining me. Thank you.

59:34Piers Morgan:Well, joining me now is Glenn Beck, host of the Glenn Beck Program and founder of Torch. Glenn, welcome back to Uncensored. How are you? Thank you very much. Very good. Very good, Piers. Good to talk to you. Did you feel the warm glow of royal patronage yesterday as my king addressed both Congress and then the state dinner? I have to be real honest with you. Don't like Charles. Never have liked Charles. Loved his mother. Loved his what? Grandmother, great-grandmother, Victoria. She was fabulous. Him, not so much. I have great hope for William and Kate. But, you know, we're not I'm not I'm not a king person.

1:00:14It's amazing that we're marching here. No kings. But you got one and you're still getting them.

1:00:21Piers Morgan:But there was there was the irony, Glenn, wasn't there? Of all the Democrats who've been marching about no kings, then cheering on an actual king. Yeah, it's not it's not irony. It's hypocrisy, you know. But, you know, there are those. And this is the thing, Pierce, that, you know, I'm coming over for the Tommy Robinson rally and I don't know what to expect. And and I and I honestly say that because I'm you know, I'm not even sure about my own countrymen. Sometimes the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights is not the Magna Carta. Magna Carta was a good start, but we have something that is in totally, totally different.

1:01:04And we don't just guarantee rights. We guarantee the right of the individual. And so many Americans don't understand that even, you know, they're for this collective, you know, everything. And that's not what our founders were for. And I worry, you know, when I hear talk about the Magna Carta and stuff, yeah, well, you can still become a dictator. And Trump could become a dictator if he doesn't concentrate on the Bill of Rights and the founding document of all men are created equal. And we are as individuals, not a collective. And I don't know what to expect from England or Europe as we go into these scary times.

1:01:51Piers Morgan:Well, let's talk about Tommy Robinson then, because I saw that you posted, I'm going to head to stand shoulder to shoulder with Tommy Robinson that Unite the Kingdom rally on May the 16th and said you were excited and proud to do so. How much do you know about Tommy Robinson? I think I know enough, but not as much as you know. I've seen him over the years change a great deal. I think we all have, and mature. I know that he said himself he was very thuggish when he was young, but I think he brings up strong warnings that are important for reasonable people to listen to. But his name isn't even Tommy Robinson.

1:02:38Piers Morgan:His name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. He's got convictions for assault. He was a football hooligan, led a mob. He was convicted of using a fake passport. He's been done for mortgage fraud, contempt of court. He's been in and out of jail for all sorts of different things. And I've got a feeling that most of America, most of the conservative right on the American side, sort of either don't really know this about him or just are prepared to turn a blind eye because they're kind of locked in. And forgive me, I don't want to include you if you don't recognize this characterization, but there's a growing sense.

1:03:13Piers Morgan:I said it on Hannity's show last night. of Britain being overrun by Muslims, overtaken. We're becoming an Islamic state and so on. To which I say, well, we have 5 % of our population is currently Muslim. And I live in London, which is an incredibly multicultural city with several million Muslims living in it. I just don't recognise this portrayal of my country or my capital city as being overrun by Muslims. But this is what Tommy Robinson wants America to think. And he's over here all the time doing podcasts and interviews, talking about the country being invaded, being overtaken. Now, there are legitimate questions about immigration, both legal and illegal, which I've absolutely agree with.

1:04:00Piers Morgan:I also think, and I've said this before, that Robinson was one of the louder voices calling out this absolute disgrace of the grooming rape gangs. and he was right to do so. But I'm not sure I'd be comfortable when even Nigel Farage, head of the Reform Party here in the UK, I'm in New York at the moment, but even he doesn't stand shoulder to shoulder with Tommy Robinson. Does that not give you pause for thought, Glenn Beck? Sure, it gives me pause for thought. I've talked to Tommy. I mean, he has told me all of the things that you just said. He called himself a hooligan, said that he had made huge mistakes, et cetera, et cetera.

1:04:38But I don't know what he's standing for that I would object to. I mean, I'm a recovering alcoholic. I've made huge mistakes in my life. We all can make mistakes in our life. But I'm not sure, you know, because what I see here is an unequal application to the law and a warning of Sharia law. I don't have a problem with Muslims. I don't have a problem with people coming into the country. If, you know, as long as you want to become in America, it may be different. I could move over to England and I'd never be an Englishman. You can move over to America and adopt our country and become a citizen and you will become an American.

1:05:16So it's different. And I want that, but I don't want Sharia law. And that I think is the warning that he is giving and the warning that people should pay attention to all over the West. You are seeing a group of people, I just saw, was it Denmark? 48 % of those who are living as a newcomer and is Islamic, 48 % want Sharia law. That's incompatible with the West. That's the warning that I think people should hear. But I also want to be careful, that's why I brought this up. I want to be careful. You can go wrong quickly if you get into us versus them. You can go wrong quickly if you are not understanding universal individual rights.

1:06:07We have to stand what kept America from going fascist for so long has been we understand the individual right. And that I don't know how to judge in Germany or Europe or any place else because you don't have that's bred into us. We're losing it. But a lot of us still have it bred right deeply into us, that individual strength and love of individual rights that I don't know if the rest of the country has.

1:06:35Piers Morgan:I mean, my issue with Robinson, he refuses to come on my show because he knows I'm going to ask him stuff. He doesn't get asked when he does American shows and he knows he doesn't want to get into it because it might even send him back to prison because he'll repeat lies where there are laws which are currently contempt of court laws in the UK, which if he repeated them, he'd go back to prison. So I think he's a little charlatan. Can I ask you a question? And again, I'm not an expert on your laws and everything else, but are you a little concerned about how many people in your country are being arrested for freedom of speech?

1:07:10I mean, I think it was 14 ,000 people in the last two years. I mean, it's gravely concerning what's going on.

1:07:18Piers Morgan:I've talked out about that. I think there's been a massive overdone response to people putting stuff on Facebook and whatever, whatever. And it's inconsistent with our country saying they're a country of free speech. And then I mean, I thought the worst one was Graham Linehan, the comedian who posted two trans jokes on X and then months later got arrested by five armed police that he threw. It was ridiculous. Or the teacher in Ireland, I think, that is just, I think, got life in prison. I mean, that's craziness. That's craziness. Well, there are some absurd cases, but I think the thing about Robinson I don't like is that, you know, his recent stay in prison was nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with the fact that he had lost a defamation case, a libel case against with a Syrian refugee boy.

1:08:11Piers Morgan:who won the case, won a six-figure sum in damages. And there was a contempt of court order put against Robinson not to repeat his demonstrable proven lies, which is why he lost the defamation case. He then goes and makes this movie called Silence, which is the one thing he never is. And he repeated all the lies. And then he got put back in prison because he was in breach of contempt of court. That's not a free speech issue. That's someone spewing lies, being told, if you do it again, you're going to prison. And he does it again. So I'm not here to defend or defame him, you know, let him speak for himself.

1:08:47I know I've asked him some of these questions. And one of the things that he did bring up that I thought was was at least worth consideration is how many of these things, because we've seen it in America, how many of these things are happening to you because you're on the wrong side of power? how much of that is actually righteous prosecution and how much of that is prosecution because shut up and sit down and i don't know the answer to that well it's a legitimate no no it's a

1:09:17Piers Morgan:legitimate question in all of these cases and i'm sure there is an element of that with some people he's you know he's a self-proclaimed sort of enemy of of the establishment and so on um i i don't know i would feel uncomfortable glenn because i i've got a lot of respect for you a lot of time for you I would just be slightly careful how close your shoulder gets to his shoulder at this rally, because there are some people that go to these things who are perfectly normal, decent people that care about their country. I've no doubt about that. But there are also some absolute hardcore, genuine Islamophobic thugs.

1:09:51Piers Morgan:And the reason I say that is if you ask Tommy Robinson, here's the point I would make. The vast majority of sexual crime in the UK is perpetrated by white men. When was the last time Tommy Robinson ever alluded to any of that on his social media platforms or at his rallies? It's always Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, as if the only people committing crimes in my country are Muslims. And it's a grotesque mischaracterization of reality. so i i will tell you peers when you say you know be careful who you get close to i would say that about anybody i think we all need to be very careful because in on both sides of the aisle in my own country it is starting to become they're crazies on both sides far more i mean yeah a death cult now on the left you know what happened over the weekend with the president it's a death cult Yeah.

1:10:45But there are crazies now starting to appear on the other side. But you can't you you have to be brave enough to say I am an individual and this is what I believe. And I plan on being in England to observe and to watch and to speak on what I believe is important. And what I bring is a warning that individual rights, this cannot be about religion, and I'm not preaching to anybody in England, in our own country. This is not about religion. This is about a political force that wants to shut down freedoms. That is a legitimate concern in Western culture. and needs to have legitimate airing and discussion without hatred or name-calling.

1:11:31Piers Morgan:Glenn, on that point, I 100 % agree with you. Always good to have you on Uncensored. Good to talk to you. And maybe see you in London. Take care. Love to. Thanks, Piers. Bye-bye. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.