"You're DISGUSTING!" Iran War Debate, Michigan Race + Enes Kanter Freedom On WNBA Row

22:24Why is no one asking him to denounce Benjamin Netanyahu, the murderer of 23 ,000 children? We're talking about what a streamer said. Netanyahu said that Israel should have the land from the river to the sea, and then he actually started doing it. He started quoting Amalek about killing all the men, women, and children in Gaza. He's a genocidal monster. So why doesn't someone ask Mike Rogers to denounce Benjamin Netanyahu? Why do we have this absurd, preposterous, bigoted media that always attacks Israel's critics? And any American that dares defy Israel they call an anti-Semite? Look, at this point, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, etc., are much kinder to Muslims and care about equality than mainstream media.

23:10Mainstream media is a million times more bigoted than Tucker Carlson. All they ever do is attack Muslim candidates over and over again, all for their beloved Israel. So since there are almost no defenders of Abdul El Saeed in media, I'm going to declare myself an unsanctioned surrogate for Abdul. And I will take on anyone. I will debate anyone on this Michigan Senate race. Mike Rogers has worked for Israel for 20 years, trying to drive us into this disastrous war for 20 years. He also, by the way, takes money from telecommunication companies, big pharma. He believes in on spying on you. After Stoney, he wanted to spy in on Americans even more.

23:49He's in favor of the surveillance state. No one asked him any of these questions. Why is the media so biased that they won't ask Mike Rogers a single tough question? But all they ever do is, oh, Abdul El-Sayed, he's so Muslim. He's so Muslim. Well, you should hate him because he's Muslim. That's all this press ever does. You are just wrong. And I'm ready to defend Abdul El-Sayed. Go ahead, Ron. Give me your BS and let me kill it. Let me destroy your nonsense talking points. Go ahead. First of all, you're so vitriolic. Can we just have a conversation? And it's not fair to say that people who disagree with Ezra Lassayev are big in.

24:21Yeah, I don't like our country being dragged into war. 18 Americans are dead because of your beloved Israel. That's why I'm vitriolic. I don't like people saying, I hate America and I deserve 9-11. Nobody thinks that. We deserve 9-11. Yeah, your nephew said that on his street. We love America. We love America so much we want to represent America instead of Israel. He's been blown up behind him because he loves America. That's what he did.

24:44Piers Morgan:Let me stop you there. Let's be honest. Let me play a little mash-up of your nephew, Chank Hassan Piker, and the controversial things he said about this. Here we go. Here we go back to... Well, I'm sorry. Are we ever going to talk about Mike Rogers? Hang on. Oh, no. You don't want to talk about Hassan? Is he coming back to Michigan? Hang on. I do think it's relevant. Because Nadjul doesn't want to be anywhere near him. Now we're afraid of him. But we have him here for election. Hang on. Hang on, please. Mike Rogers works for Israel. Hang on, please. He's going to betray you. If you live in Michigan, do not let Israel buy that seat.

25:12If I may just get a word in. This is Israel versus America. If I may get a word in, I want to play. Our state is failing because of Democrats. Please, Ronna, please. Oh, let me guess. Hassan Piker, Hassan Piker. No, no. You guys are so predictable. I would like the viewers to know. It's so obvious. Please stop talking, Jay. Don't you ever call me a bigot. Please, guys.

25:30Piers Morgan:Thank you. Oh, I just did. What are you going to do about it? A bigot. Who are you calling a bigot? Me? You're disgusting. You're disgusting. That is so wrong. You're disgusting for working for Israel. You're bigoted against Americans. I don't work for Israel. Can I please take control back of this panel, if it's okay with everybody? I want to play a little mash-up of what Hassan said, which is what you referenced, Ronna, so that viewers watching understand what you're talking about. Let's take a look. God damn it, I hate America so much. We are the bad guys. We are the bad guys. Why do I hate America?

26:03Because I recognize accurate history. Oh, God, I hate America so much. God, I hate America so fucking much sometimes. It's, like, so stupid, dude. God, I hate America so much. Bro, I hate this country, dude. I hate America so fucking much, dude. Oh, God, I just, I hate America so much.

26:25Piers Morgan:Now, he seems pretty clear there, Cenk, unless you think he's being misquoted. Yeah. Yeah, I don't care. He's not running. He's not running for Senate in Michigan. and he's not anywhere near as connected to a candidate. As Mike Rogers, by the way, has someone from that was part of that neo-Nazi chat in the Young Republicans, a guy who defends him. You got a donor who said anti-Semitic things, but nobody ever questions Mike Rogers because you guys all want to smear Abdul El-Sayed. All right, let me bring in Julian. Because of his connection to a streamer, so what? Let me bring in Julian. Okay, here, I'm connected to Abdul.

26:58I just declared myself an unsanctioned surrogate. I love America. All I want is our representatives to serve America and not a foreign country. You know who hates America? Sell out traitors like Mike Rogers who work for a different country and try to drag us into their wars decade after decade. Pierce, can everyone on the panel agree that Mike Rogers has been trying to drag us into Israel's war for the last 20 years? And that is much more relevant to anything a streamer says. Is this a change show? Are you the only one that gets to talk here? is killed. That got 700 Americans injured. That cost us $100 billion.

27:35I don't want to have to mute you, so stop talking. When is Israel and Mike Rogers going to give us$100 billion

27:41Piers Morgan:back? Let the others speak. Now, Gillian, you've been waiting very patiently. Your face has been contorting into positions where I'm worried it may never recover. So, over to you. Listen, here's the thing. I do think, I disagree with Glenn. I think that Iran is an existential threat. I think that numerous administrations previously have acknowledged that. I think they are the top funder of terror proxies. I think they have missiles that we now know can hit Europe. Against Israel, who cares? They have said death to America, and I'm pretty sure that they mean it. Well, when they say death to America, it kind of is our business, Cenk.

28:18Like, it kind of matters to me. No, only because we support Israel. Do you know that? Do you even know that? It has nothing to do with America. It's because we support Israel. All right, let Gillian speak. It's not a matter of agreement or disagreement. I think that there is a war on the West. Israel's been trying to destroy Iran for 20 years. Let the others speak. And all they do is fund them

28:35Piers Morgan:so they could destroy the entire Middle East. Let the others speak, please. I don't agree with you. And then I think if the conversation becomes, well, we had it under control with the JCPOA, I don't actually think that we did. And we could get into that, absolutely. Can we move on back to Michigan, though, Gillian? Well, the reason I come back to Michigan... I want to talk about Michigan, because I do think it's relevant. But this whole issue of Abdullah Saeed, he is now being targeted by the Republicans relentlessly, and they're bringing Hassan Paikah into it relentlessly. And I do think it's obvious why they're doing this.

29:07Piers Morgan:And there's an attempt to try and draw him into this whole September 11th, 25th anniversary debate by saying this is a guy who tried to equivocate about it, and that's an arguable point, and that Hassan Paikah, one of his supporters, is somebody who repeatedly says, you know, he hates America. This is the story that's running. What is your, do you think it's valid? Do you think it'll work? I mean, is there a danger this strategy doesn't work? I do think that it is. And you all agree that it's a bigotist strategy. All right, let Jillian answer. I don't agree with you, Cenk. The fact that you hang out.

29:41How come they never asked Mike Rogers a question? How come they haven't asked him a single question about his connection? Cenk, Cenk, listen, I appreciate that Hassan is your nephew, but when you excuse rape, I am not saying anything about Hassan. I don't care about Hassan. I care about the Michigan Senate. I understand. Americans, not Israelis. Americans be represented. Look who he is utilizing as a campaign tool. Who's Mike Rogers utilizing? Benjamin Netanyahu. Who's Benjamin Netanyahu utilizing? Mike Rogers to steal that Senate seat for Israel. To hang out with a guy that justifies rape, says Jews better fall in line and not support Israel.

30:20That's not even remotely true. And second of all, you know, it's not true. Hanging out with a guy who murdered 23 ,000 children. Do you denounce Benjamin Netanyahu who has murdered 23 ,000 children in Gaza? It's a simple question. Do you denounce him? Do you denounce Netanyahu? He murdered 23 ,000 kids. It's not a hard question. I think that's terrible. I think what's going on in the Middle East is terrible. I have said that. I will continue to say that. I am against attacks on Jews over it, on innocent Jewish people, and I am seeing a lot of that. And no one's doing that. Your nephew just said, if you're a Jew and you support Israel, you better look out.

31:02You're the one making anti-Semitism worse, pretty dangerous position. That's a threat. You know who else said that? Ezra Klein said that. Dana Bash said that. Haley Stevens said that. But, yeah, when you have radical Zionists claiming that all Jews are responsible for the genocide, it endangers other innocent Jewish Americans. Let me ask you, look, I don't want to... Let me go on Abdul El-Sayed. I want to ask Gillian, Gillian, Gillian, Gillian, Gillian, Gillian, I want to ask Gillian

31:29Piers Morgan:a straightforward question about Abdul El-Sayed, right? Yeah. Is it fair and reasonable, given that he deleted these tweets, along with many others, as says, but is it fair and reasonable to associate him in the way the Republicans and CBS to a degree have done here with 9-11 in a smear tactic manner? Is it fair? Is it the right thing to do? It is my personal opinion that he was making the statement of, well, my government is engaged in these wars and all these people have died. You're suggesting this is what you get. That's absolutely what I took away from it. Now, if that offends you and you don't want a U.S.

32:09senator to hold that position, then don't vote for him. I think that's fair. I think that's what he was saying. And I think that there are a host of other affiliations that are evidence of his opinion being exactly that. You know, when your half-sister takes to the Internet to give October 7th blessings, WHEN THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD PUTS YOU ON THEIR HOME PAGE, WHEN YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW IS HOLDING POSITIONS OF POWER IN ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE CO-CONSPIRAIT, UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRAITORS OF THE HOLY LAND TERROR FINANCING TRIAL, IT'S ALARMING. THIS IS ALL NONSENSE. SORRY IF THAT MAKES ME A BIGOT. THIS IS NONSENSE.

32:52I DON'T LIKE. TAKE IT TRUE, THOUGH. YOU CAN SAY DON'T BE WORRIED. I want to let Glenn Greenwald respond to that.

33:05Piers Morgan:Glenn. OK, let's flip it. Let's flip the religion. Let Glenn respond to it, please. Mike Rogers is supported by radical Jews. Please let Glenn respond. I would like Glenn. Show some respect to your fellow panelists. That would be outrageous, right? But when you do it about Muslims, everybody's fine with it. Smear all the Muslims, right? Let your other panelists talk, please. Glenn. Piers, I think that we're having this conversation, and it makes a lot of sense to people in media because we follow these kind of issues day by day. But I personally think that the biggest lesson that I took away from Trump's victory in 2016 and really in 2024 was that there were all these rules that we thought applied in politics that Trump broke one after the next.

33:44and he continued to rise in the polls and win anyway, because it turned out that none of the things that media people thought mattered were actually the things that mattered to the American people. He had a huge lead in 2015. That was when he mocked John McCain's status as a POW. Everyone in the media was sure that Trump was going to fall in the polls now because you don't mock John McCain's POW status. It didn't make the slightest difference because nobody except the people in the media cared about John McCain in this kind of taboo. Same thing when he said, when he was asked by Bill O 'Reilly, why do you love Putin so much?

34:14He kills journalists. He kills all these people. And Trump's response was, oh, what, you think we're so innocent, equating the United States to Russia? Oh, you can't say that? Well, he said it and he continued to win because it turns out that the things that we talk about because of our status and position in life aren't the same things that concern Americans. The reality is that for as much as you want to say about Hassan Piker, and I personally don't think there's anything wrong with what he said about 9-11 and we can talk about why, but I don't even think it matters because polls show pretty much uniformly now that Abdul El-Sayed, who's the actual candidate, is in front of Mike Rogers.

34:48That's the reality of the polling on the ground in Michigan. How many times do we have to learn that all of these taboos, what you can say, you think Americans are waking up and thinking about whether someone's talking about 9-11 in the right way? Polls show that Americans are not just discontent, but furious and angry about the United States and their government and how they're treated. You don't think Americans walk around and say, God, sometimes I really hate this country. Look at what they do to our lives. This is totally common sentiment. Yes, it's something that's taboo if you're a political consultant, if you're someone in the media and you want to have these kind of punditry conversations, it seems like it's fatal.

35:25And it wasn't even El Saeed who said it. It was just someone with El Saeed. Meanwhile, you have Donald Trump who dined with Nick Fuentes and Kanye West, whose closest advisor, Laura Loomer spouts more bigotry and racism in a single day than Hassan Piker ever has in his entire life. And I don't think it's hurting Trump politically because these aren't the kinds of things people care about. And I hope there's someday when we in the media people, and I have to include myself in this, start realizing the things we think are important aren't the things that the people we claim to be speaking on behalf of think are important.

35:57I know Ronna McDonnell lives in Michigan, but I hate to break it to you, Ronna, but your life is not really very similar to the people that you claim to speak for and the things that you say you care about aren't the things they claim to speak about. People in Michigan aren't rising up and demanding a war with Iran, much to the contrary. So I think we need to just start looking in the mirror a little bit with some self-reflection. Yes, there's a reason why El Saeed is in the lead and won his Democratic nomination. All of this was aired over and over. There's a reason Zoran Mondami won in New York, even though we were told nobody with those positions can win with a huge Jewish population in New York with the real estate billionaires being so influential.

36:34And he blew everybody away, including the Cuomo family, which had been basically undefeated up until that point. There has to be some humility about the fact that we don't speak for the voters and the things we endlessly talk about aren't the things that they endlessly talk about. And the things we think are taboo aren't the things they care about. Okay.

36:49Piers Morgan:Ronnie, your response? I'm going to push back a little because I do live in Michigan. And so I think it's really interesting to listen to all of you talk about a state that I live in. I never left when I was I WAS A R.N.C. CHAIR. I STAYED HERE. MY KIDS WENT TO PUBLIC SCHOOL HERE. AND ABSOLUTELY I HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME ISSUES AS I HAVE A SON AT MICHIGAN STATE WHO I REALLY WANT TO HAVE A JOB IN MICHIGAN AND NOT MOVE AWAY FROM MY STATE LIKE EVERYBODY IS DOING EVERY HOUR FROM OUR STATE. AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HASAN PIKER. THE REASON HASAN PIKER HAS BECOME AN ISSUE IS BECAUSE ABDUL AL SAYED CHOSE TO BRING HIM INTO THIS RACE.

37:20HE CHOSE TO BRING HIM TO MICHIGAN TO CAMPAIGN WITH HIM. THIS ISN'T ANYBODY'S CHOICE TO bring him into this rate except for Abdul El-Sayed. So that is why it's become an issue. That being said, we are a state on the decline. States around us are doing better. Jobs are leaving. Unemployment is high. And of course, the midterms are usually harder for the party in power in Washington. That's a given. We all know that. And Republicans have the power. So midterms traditionally are bad for us. But I will say in Michigan, there's another layer, which is we have had Democrat control for eight years. Our kids can't read.

37:52Our schools aren't functioning. Our insurance rates are through the roof. Our property taxes are through the roof. People are feeling like they can't afford to live here. And you can't just blame that on Donald Trump. And I do have a different perspective because I actually live here.

38:08Piers Morgan:Very interesting takes. You don't speak for the people. I live in Brazil. I would never say I speak for all Brazilians. I grew up in Florida. Do you pay property taxes here? You were the chair of one of the two major political parties connected to massive wealth and power and finance in that position, your life couldn't be any more different than the majority of people in Michigan. So safety doesn't matter to me. I'm not saying you don't understand. So when somebody says abolish the police or defund the police or we shouldn't have prisons, that doesn't matter to me. But do you think the polls, do you think the polls from Michigan, including what have long been considered the gold standard polls, and I realize polls are often wrong, but they are showing El Saeed either extremely close or much more commonly in the lead, despite Despite all of these things that you claim Michiganders are so horrified by, do you think these polls are wrong or made up or what?

38:53I agree they're often wrong. But Glenn, let's just talk to the polls specifically in Michigan. And I want to dial it down because I felt like we got way off with Cenk. And I do want to have a real discussion where people are learning. But the polls had Syed winning overwhelmingly his primary against Haley Stevens. I mean, the polls were so wrong in Michigan for Syed. We also saw polls for Francesca Hong in Wisconsin showing her winning overwhelmingly. So what I do think is that these polls for some of these socialist candidates are not gauging how much people don't like them. Okay, he's socialist adjacent.

39:31He's hanging out with all the socialists. No, he's capitalist. He's very clear about that. Okay, right. All right, sure. But he's socialist adjacent. But the polling, Chank, to my point, the polling did absolutely misread how close that race was going to be against Haley Stevens. So I don't trust the polling right now in Michigan anyway. Okay, that's fine. And he did win. He did win by a very slim margin. Despite massive funding disadvantages thanks to APAC. Ron is pulling this thing of the old Douglas Murray trick of, have you been there? We don't have to be in Michigan to know what the polling indicates about the concerns of the voters of Michigan.

40:10And they're concerned about affordability. They're concerned about prices. Trump has done nothing about that. Mike Rogers promises to do nothing about that other than follow Donald Trump. And he says gas prices are not that big a deal. It's more important that we have this war that he's been pushing for for 20 years. You mentioned who Abdul brought into the race. Well, Mike Rogers has brought the Israeli lobby into Michigan for the last 20 years. He's taken money from them over and over and over again. And he's always represented Israel instead of America in Michigan. And it makes no sense for anybody in Michigan to vote for a representative of Bolivia or Kazakhstan or Israel.

40:47It makes no sense. I get it, Jay. And let me ask you this, Piers. And I'm asking, Piers, let me ask you this. Okay, go on. Isn't it obvious? Isn't it obvious? And can we acknowledge, can we acknowledge, can we all acknowledge that the media has been ridiculously biased? They're the least subjective, the most biased people in the whole country, because they refuse to ask Mike Rogers a single tough question. They refuse to ask him to denounce Benjamin Netanyahu, the butcher of Gaza, who's murdered 23 ,000 children. They've refused to ask him about his own staffers that were justifying neo-Nazis.

41:20So obviously they don't care about anti-Semitism. All they do is hide behind Jewish Americans. 63 % of Jewish Americans are against the current government of Israel. They agree with Abdul El-Sayed, not Mike Rogers. I hear you. So isn't it true that the press is purposely trying to smear Abdul, all of them collectively, and that they haven't... I'm hosting a big job. Hang on, please. They haven't laid a glove on my brother. Let me answer you. Let me answer you.

41:43Piers Morgan:Let me answer you. Which is, I think, the proof is in the pudding, as we say on this side of the pond. Because Polymark, who have actually been more accurate than a lot of polls in the last couple of years, have El Saeed at 65 % predicted to win, Rogers at 35%. And I do think that Glenn was onto something, which is that probably most people in Michigan care a lot more about the core issues affecting their lives than they do about a lot of this stuff. And they also, I suspect, may react to an over-demonisation of somebody who they see on TV every day and don't think is that person. Same way that Trump, when the left kept calling him a Nazi, it just backfired.

42:24Piers Morgan:Because they were like, well, he's not Hitler, so why do you keep telling me he's a Nazi? Same with Zoran when they were calling him like Osama bin Laden and people were looking at this smiling, nice guy. And it didn't work with Trump because they didn't see him as Hitler. It didn't work with Zoran. And I don't think you can turn Abdul El-Sayed... I completely agree. I think that's a really... I do think that's a really interesting point. I think the over-demonisation of a lot of these political figures, it just backfires. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if El-Sayed wins. And if he does, it will be because they tried to throw the wrong kitchen sink at him.

42:54Piers Morgan:Pick him off on his policies, but don't try and make him out to be something that he is. So you're agreeing with me, right, that the media is over-demonising him and they are working collectively and they do appear to be biased in favour of my brothers and earlier Ian Stevens. I would agree with you about this. I do think... But always against Abdul El-Sayed. Well, let me answer you. I do think that El-Sayed has been... I do think El-Sayed has been... Well, let me try and answer you. If I may answer, which is I think El-Sayed has been subjected to a more venomous interrogation about Hassan Paikah than Mike Rogers has about his unequivocal endorsement of everything this current Israeli government is doing, which in many people's eyes, a lot of it is disgraceful.

43:35Piers Morgan:And we see more and more of that every day. So I do think there's absolutely a clear gap between the way that Rogers is being dealt with about his blind allegiance to Israel, and this government in particular, and the way that I think El Saeed's been treated in relation to Hassan Paik. Anyway, I want to move on. Can I talk about policy for El-Sayed really quick? Very quickly, but I want to move on to something else. He is saying he's for EV mandates. He is saying that he wants to have cashless bail. These are things that he's saying. These are his policies. When a terrorist attack happened in Michigan to attack 140 kids at a Jewish synagogue, he said, hurt people hurt people.

44:11He didn't condemn it. This is El-Sayed. This isn't any surrogate. He did condemn it. Please stop lying. And he also said that he's going to raise taxes on every single Michigander, middle working class Michigander. So I say pick him off on that stuff. So I say, I would say forget about Hassan Piker

44:30Piers Morgan:and pick him off on the stuff you're talking about. Pick him off on policy. Anyway, look, I want to just switch to... And by the way, Mike Rogers wants to make sure we can't negotiate drug prices. He's taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from Big Pharma. Everybody join me. Defend Abdul. Let's go unofficial surrogates assemble the Avengers for... Because no one else in media is going to do it. The media is disgustingly biased. They hate all Muslim Americans. They love Israel. You made your point. Defend Abdul because he's for America. You made your point. I want to ask the panel about an interview we did yesterday, which I did with Milo Yiannopoulos, which has gone very viral, and you've probably seen the clips.

45:13Piers Morgan:But if you haven't, I want to play one clip in particular which has had millions of views on social media, where he said this. There you are aggressively promoting ICE being very aggressive and demanding that millions of people be deported. People say, Milo, you've been hoisted by your own petard. And I don't have a word to say. You got me. I'm very... Look... I mean, they're doing what you told them to do, deport millions of people. Well, not really. It just happened to include you. They're not doing it lawfully. And I think... But you did say about Somalis, they should be deported indiscriminately as a group.

45:49Piers Morgan:I'm obviously exaggerating. Deporting them all. Obviously exaggerating there. I think another tweet, I said something like, you know, we shouldn't let the 97 % of Somalis, you know, create a bad reputation for the law-abiding 3%. I tell all kinds of mean-spirited and exaggerated jokes. Right, but the point... The point is that ISIS is supposed to be deporting criminals. I understand, Myrtle. They're supposed to be prioritising people who come in illegally, who sell people, who murder, who rape, who sell drugs. and they're not doing that. I get it. The problem you have, I think, in these tweets and public statements is that you weren't singling out Somali criminals, for example, or just criminals.

46:30Piers Morgan:You wanted Somalis as a group, all deported. You said that. You said that. I was... Look, when the... God and I saying it. Of course not. So what was interesting to me, and let me start with you, Glenn, on this, is that, you know, he... He talked initially about how awful his experience was at being arrested by ICE and how he'd been mistreated and so on and so on, and then claimed it was unlawful because he has a green card. I don't know the truth about all that. We'll have to find out. But a lot of people pointed out, well, he showed an absolute zero empathy for anybody else who was being rounded up by ICE.

47:07Piers Morgan:In fact, he wanted millions more to be rounded up. He wanted whole populace, like all the Somalians, to be rounded up and deported, criminal or otherwise. And as social media has rightly, I think, picked up, he just exposed himself as a massive hypocrite. You know, he cared about the way ICE treated detainees when he became one, and he changed his view of mass deportation the moment it rounded him up, along with all the other people he wanted kicked out. What did you make of this? Yeah, I mean, he has tweets where he not only talked about how he finds mass deportation sexually arousing. But even he had said that you should give absolute immunity to ICE, so meaning they can do any abuse and not be held accountable, and then started going on your show and literally whining and crying about the abuse that he suffered.

47:54And there are cases where people are very indifferent to the suffering of others, and then suddenly when they encounter it, they have a real transformation. Like a lot of conservatives who are very tough in law and order lock them up for 30 years and go into prison. They get out and they become advocates for prison reform and justice reform. And there's a lot of deep transformation there that I can find commendable. But in this case, you know, this is just the worst human trait being exhibited. And let's face it, Milo is one of the most despicable people in all politics. I think most people would agree with that, where you basically are somebody who is incapable of empathy for the suffering of other people and only care about injustices when it affects you personally.

48:31This isn't some deep transformation. This is just somebody hoisted on their own petard. And it makes me it makes it very difficult to feel sorry from. The one point of the story that I think is worth noting, however, is that there is almost no doubt that the reason he was deported was because Laura Loomer didn't like him and he had criticized Laura Loomer. And this is a woman who has probably more influence in the Trump administration than any outside person has ever had within the Oval Office because of Trump's infatuation with her. And this goes back to our other segment. Laura Loomer is somebody infinitely more powerful and relevant than Hassan Piker and who spews the most insane amounts of racism and bigotry on a daily basis that 95 % of Americans would find absolutely revolting, why aren't Republicans and Trump held accountable for her, given how much power they've given her?

49:17And I think, you know, you can hear what happened to Milo.

49:20Piers Morgan:Yeah, very relevant question. Cenk, I mean, you know, notwithstanding he may be the worst person to be passing on this information, but was there stuff that Milo Yiannopoulos came out with about the way he was treated, about the way he was rounded up, about the fact that he maintains it wasn't a visa renewal issue, he has a green card because he married... He doesn't, Piers. It's a lie. Well, OK, I'm just saying... That is a lie. I'm just saying, OK, well, let me start with you then, Julian. That is a lie. That is a lie. It is a lie. So he doesn't have a green card. Is that right? No, he was there in the US illegally, that is for sure.

49:53Piers Morgan:But is he married... Glad to 100 % right. But my understanding is he remains married to an American citizen, right? They are almost complete with their divorce, which began in January of 2025. They were married in 2017. He, I guess, denounced homosexuality sometime around 2021. And in the divorce court proceedings, he's very transparent about the fact that his ex will not help participate in getting him a new green card. And you get one, I guess, every two years. He didn't have a 10-year green card. So he was lying his face off to you about that. OK, so... Honestly, I could... I just want to quickly add.

50:33Pierce, just quickly. Mahmoud Khalil is also married to an American citizen and has a green card. So it's not a guarantee you have to renew it. In that case, they revoked it from him. But it doesn't... It's not an impediment against being declared illegal and being deported if you don't maintain the requirements.

50:48Piers Morgan:Right, and I made it clear in the interview when he came out with all that, I don't know. So I said, look, I can't challenge you about this because I don't know. I said, all I will say, Milo, is that whatever you say now in this interview, it can be verified, right? It will be verified. It will be leaked. We will find out exactly what he was saying and what was true and what wasn't. He said his green card got cancelled. We don't know. But, Gillian, in relation to what Glenn said there, where you can hate Milo and everything he stands for, are you concerned that it looks like the trigger for this was just that Laura Loomer, who seems to wield this extraordinary influence over Donald Trump, that it was because she didn't like him, because he used to work for her and they fell out or whatever, and that it's a personal animus has led to this guy being thrown out of the country?

51:32I would argue that he was here illegally and they deported him, regardless of his skin colour, regardless of what country he is here from. This is a guy that has justified having sex with 13-year-old boys. I'm thrilled to see him leave the country, period. I don't care. He's here illegally. I'm glad he's gone.

51:54Piers Morgan:Cheng, did you have any empathy with anything he said? So I can't stand Milo, and we've, you know, attacked each other many, many times before. And on top of that, he represents Kanye West, and I'm probably the biggest critic of Kanye West in the country. I sussed out that he was a moronic anti-Semite from day one. I couldn't stand people calling him a genius. So I got no love for Milo at all, not 1%. There's two interesting things that come out of this. One is Glenn's right. Like, it's interesting to see him feeling like, oh, my God, is this how people go, what people go through when they get detained by ICE?

52:36Yeah. Yeah. That's what they go through. And it's incredible that people don't have no empathy until they go through it themselves. And I wish that they would develop some empathy for other people in other situations. OK, but the most important part is what you and Glenn are focusing on, Piers, which is he was in the country illegally for years and years and years, and nobody did anything about it until he criticized Israel and Laura Loomer pointed it out. And it's interesting that Mahmoud Halil is on the left and Milo is on the right. But the one common thing that you get for getting kicked out of the country is criticizing Israel.

53:12So and now the media is totally mask off peers because they're all have done two billion stories about Hassan. And you're right to point out. Are you kidding me? Laura Loomer can not only get anyone in the White House fired, but she can have anyone removed from the country. And you're not going to ask about her unbelievably racist and bigoted things she said against black people, Muslims. By the way, also other Jews who don't agree with her.

53:39Piers Morgan:Well, to be fair, Cheng, I have harangued her many times about her comments to the extent that... No, but you should harangue Republicans. Every Republican, including Rana, should have to answer for that. Well, I'm about to ask... If every Democrat has to answer for that. I was about to say... Well, hang on, Rana, I was about to say, the reason Laura Loomer is not on this show today in the way that we asked her to be is because she wanted me to apologise to her for the critical remarks I've made about her previous comments. And I chose, as I did with Meghan Markle, I chose not to take the apology route.

54:18Piers Morgan:Ronna, final word to you on this. Well, final word to you, Ronna, on this. I don't know, she's attacked me a ton. So, I mean, she attacks everybody. And I'm a Mormon suburban woman. So, I mean, I don't know what connections those make. Do you denounce her? Do you denounce Trump for associating herself with her and letting her control the White House? I'm not even going to give her credit for that, because I think you guys are giving her way too much credit, because I do know Susie Wiles, and Susie Wiles is very powerful and has a lot of control in the Trump White House, and I don't think... I think you guys are way overblowing Laura Loomer's influence, and I don't believe it that she's the reason he's deported.

54:55I just don't believe that. He overstayed his visa. He was sent a notice to life.

55:00Piers Morgan:I'll tell you what, we've run out of time. What I would say, what I would say, Runner, is I think it's very telling about her influence that so few Republicans go public in criticising some of the outrageous things she says, including... I denounce anything she says outrageous. Including, by the way, this week, where she says some disgusting things about black female politicians. And I've been waiting for Republicans to berate her for this. I haven't seen it. But they don't. What does she think? I don't look at her stuff. I apologize, I didn't see it. I don't look at her stuff. The truth is, Republicans are well...

55:32She called the Democratic Senate nominee in Florida, Angie Nixon. she said she's a Shakita, she's a black bitch who speaks abonics. Yeah, that's like a no-brainer.

55:43Piers Morgan:It may be a no-brainer, but the truth about her influence is Republicans don't like holding to the same account they hold Hassan Piker for what he says. I do, I do with Nick Cuentes. Because unlike Hassan Piker, she has the... Well, hang on. Unlike Hassan Piker... And I condemn those statements, those are awful. Let me finish. Unlike Hassan Piker, she has the ear of the president and she wields that influence and power in quite an alarming manner. And that's, I think, it's the fact that no one goes after her from the Republican side about stuff she said only this week is the telling revelation about how far her influence actually does extend.

56:22Piers Morgan:Anyway, we've got to leave it there. But the difference is... Very lively... Ronald, I've got to leave it. Abdul brought in Hassan. I've got to leave it. Mike's not bringing in Laura. She is a lot more powerful... She's a lot more powerful and influential. Trump brings her into the Oval Office. Trump brings her to the White House. I can tell you that. Anyway, we're going to leave it there. And if Laura Lieber wants to come on, there'll be no apology. She represents Israel. That's why she has that power. OK, we're going to leave it there. Thank you all very much indeed. I appreciate it. Well, former NBA star Enos Kanter Freedom made global headlines recently after being ejected from a women's match over an altercation with a player.

56:53Piers Morgan:Well, Kanter Freedom sat courtside wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the words woman, noun, adult, human, female, sparking an argument with Chicago Sky's Natasha Cloud. Well, the women's NBA is, of course, in broad and ongoing saga over its transgender policy. Candidate Freedom says he is available for the women's draft next season and joins me now on Uncensored. Well, welcome, Mindis, to Uncensored. Thank you for having me, brother. How are you? So I've got to say, I laughed out loud at the whole spectacle of you being harangued by female basketball stars as you simply wore a shirt which said what a woman is.

57:32Piers Morgan:and to me it epitomised the whole farce around this debate around transgender women competing in women's sport. What really motivated you to stick your head over what is, as you know, a very toxic parapet? So a few months ago, it was around May, actually, I actually loved the game. I watched a lot of WNBA games at home. right after the game, I was on my social media and one of the players, her name is Gabby Williams, right? She came out and she gave an interview. She said, I have no problem with, you know, trans athletes playing in my team or against my team. And when I watched that, I was like, that's very interesting.

58:17And then going forward, all these players and coaches and the league itself was coming out and saying, we have no problem with, you know, biological male playing in our league. I was like, you know what? Enough is enough. if you guys have no problem with it, well, here I am. I am declaring for the draft. And before I did that, I actually read that collective bargaining. So Article 13, Section 1A says, if you identify as a woman, you're allowed to play. So there's no rule against it. So I simply said, well, I'm declaring for the draft. And now the whole world is mad at me for some reason.

58:53Piers Morgan:Well, the interesting thing, of course, is that they're not respecting you and your right to identify as a woman. even though they demand that anybody else that does it has to be respected. And it's becoming an increasing problem. You know, I've told people when we had this debate that I think it was in 2024, the United Nations worked out that nearly 1 ,000 girls and women at all levels of sport had been deprived of medals by transgender athletes. That's not a small number. That's not a handful of cases. That is something that's becoming a massive problem. And the reason they're being deprived of medals is because men, obviously, biological males, have a superior biology, physiology.

59:36Piers Morgan:That's why we separate men and women in the Olympics, in the World Cup, whatever it may be. To me, as somebody who, you know, is pretty liberal-minded generally, I cannot get my head around this debate or why it's even a debate. And I don't understand in particular why women like Megan Rapinoe, for example, who attacked you as an absolute grifter for supposedly protecting women, when it seems to me you're protecting women's rights to fairness, equality and safety a lot better than Megan Rapinoe is doing it. Piers, I'm the tallest woman right activist in the world right now, probably. But to all these women out there, like, to all these people out there, this is not a right or left issue.

1:00:22Like, this is literally common sense. I know that they think that I griff this side or that side. It's really not. This is really a common sense issue. And I'm following their rules. There is no rule against it. If they, Pierce, I promise you, I'm not a difficult person to deal with. I'm not a troublemaker. I'm a peacemaker. If tomorrow the WNBA comes out and say, okay, everyone, we are adding the word biological next to the word woman in our collective bargaining, I will walk through the sunset and they will never hear from me ever again. Right? But if they don't want to do that, then I am eligible to play because I can simply go out there and identify as a woman and compete in their league.

1:01:00And the thing is, all these coaches, all these players and everyone is cheering for it. And now finally, a man wants to identify as a woman and he's getting hate on. I mean, who are they to judge whose journey is real or not? I want to go out there and I want to play basketball. If you bring any other role against it, I will follow it immediately.

1:01:24Piers Morgan:Well, also, I'm cynical, frankly, about some of these transgender athletes. There have been sprinters in America at pretty high level. There have been swimmers like Leah Thomas and others. And they've been pretty unsuccessful competing against their own sex. And then they switch and compete against women. And suddenly they're on the national stage. They're making loads of money. They're getting lots of media coverage. and, you know, I talked to Martina Nervatilova about this a lot and she's very sensible about this. And she said, you know, if you're like the number 500 male tennis player in America and you're making, you know,$100 ,000 a year or something, whatever it may be, then the temptation, and we've seen the temptation with cheating, with doping and so on, but the temptation to just put your hand up and say, say, in women's basketball, well, there's nothing to stop it as you've exposed and just say, look, I'm identifying as a woman and have two or three years of huge amounts of money and sponsors and all the stuff that comes with you being the biggest sensation in the game because, you know, somebody like you, if you competed against women at basketball, you would destroy them, right?

1:02:32Piers Morgan:Obviously, we all know this. And that's the bit that really gets me, is that the idea that this won't inevitably lead to somebody doing that just to make money and be famous is for the birds. This is why they did it when they cheated with doping. Right. So, Piers, I've already spoken with three European players, three G League players and two former NBA players. And they have all said that if they don't change the rules, we are ready to put our name in a WNBA draft in 2027. I mean, get this. So a G League player, right, makes around$45 ,000 a year. At the top WNBA player makes around$1.4 million.

1:03:11So all he has to do, right, all he has to do is just simply identify himself as a woman, and he will be making$1.4 million instead of$45 ,000. So the WNBA have no idea what kind of fire that they're playing with. So I'm just very confused. I just don't want people to think that this is a right or left wing issue. When I have a conversation with Sophie Cunningham, right, she said the same thing. This is not a right or left wing issue because they are calling her like a mug of Barbie or whatever. She said this is literally a common sense. They're trying to put me, her or anyone out there in a box so the one side can hate us.

1:03:50But no, she is or whoever out there that joined this movement, I guess, that is being cheer for over 73 percent of America. You know, all these parents out there. So I'm just confused that I just hope that we can settle this down.

1:04:10Piers Morgan:Yeah, I mean, I just find it extraordinary the way that you've been exposed to so much hatred. When it's obvious the point you're making, you're exposing a massive flaw in the way that women's basketball is set up, in the rules, and you're showing them what the problem is. And rather than actually sit down with you and say, you know what, you've got a very good point here. Let's work it out. They'd rather make you public enemy number one. And what really annoys me is people like Sophie Cunningham have been incredibly brave here by stating the bleeding obvious that they've been attacked and vilified and so on.

1:04:46Piers Morgan:Whereas people like Natasha Cloud, you know, for taking you on and attacking you and making a big sort of statement by doing so, she gets applauded even though what you're actually doing is trying to protect the integrity of women's sport. I really want to make it very clear. I am not anti-trans. I am not anti-LGPQ2 or anything. I'm just pro-woman, right? And people have no idea if they're OK with us coming to their league and actually destroy their league. We're going to take their money away. We're going to take their respect away. We're going to take their endorsement deals away. We're going to take their playing time away.

1:05:22Look, at that point, Pierce, why do we have two leagues? Why do we have men and women? Let's just merge two leagues. because unfortunately the WNBA loses around$50 million a year. So let's just merge two leagues, right? Let's just have one league and we can all compete together. So they have no idea what they are cheering for. But unfortunately, it's just a cancel culture, Pierce. You know, many players, I have actually spoken with many NBA players. I'm like, guys, why don't you guys go out there and speak about this issue? They said, no, no, no, no, no. As soon as we touch this issue, we're going to lose endorsement deals.

1:06:00We might not even get another contract. This is a very dangerous topic. So many players in NBA and WNBA as well think the way that we think, but unfortunately they're never going to come out and say anything because of the cancel culture.

1:06:13Piers Morgan:I mean, just in pure cold, hard reality, if you were to play in the WNBA, in an average game, how many points do you think you'd score? Like, so Will Chamberlain have this record. I'm sure you know about it, 100 points a game. I promise that is my goal, to beat that record. Like, there won't be any record standing. I will literally destroy it. I mean, actually, it will help the WNBA, because think about all the ticket sales and endorsement leaders that they could get. And then once I answer, right, all the other players, European players, G League players are going to start putting their name on a draft, and the whole league is going to be elevated immediately.

1:06:53So I'm not trying to hurt their league. I'm actually trying to help their league if they're okay with it. They could, Cathy Engelbert, the commissioner, can end all this madness tomorrow by adding one word, the biological, and like I said again, I can just walk to the sunset and they will never hear from me ever again. I'm just, I'm very confused. I think, you know, 15, 20 years from now, the historian is going to look back in our time and laugh.

1:07:23Piers Morgan:Oh, they'll think... Honestly, and they'll think we lost our minds. History will look back and say, wait a minute, there was a period of time when they let biological men compete in women's sport and beat them and get in boxing rings and beat them up and win medals that should have gone to women and take Olympic places. I mean, the case of Laurel Hubbard, the New Zealand weightlifter, who was a very mediocre competitor as a biological male in the men's category, and then at the age of 45, took a woman's place on the New Zealand weightlifting team, twice the age of pretty much any other contestant in the Olympic Games as a woman, and won gold medal.

1:08:08Piers Morgan:I mean, it's completely bloody ridiculous. And yet women are terrified for the reasons you articulated. I mean, men are as well, a lot of them, and I salute your courage in doing it. I do with Sophie Cunningham, I do with Riley Gaines and others. It needs moral courage to stand up and say, this is bullshit. And actually, those who defend it and shame those who question it, they're the ones who are eroding women's rights. And so they're the anti-women people in this debate. And sadly, many are women themselves. I'm like, what's the matter with you? I mean, seriously, what is the matter with you?

1:08:45Piers Morgan:If you made the Olympics gender neutral, how many women, biological females, would win a medal? And when the answer is one or two in the entire Olympic Games, that is the inevitable consequence of this madness. If you allowed sport to be gender neutral, actual women would stop winning anything. Why is that a good thing? Yeah. You know, I actually really would like to hear their side as well. I mean, because I go out there, I go on a show and talk about it. I mean, I watch your show a lot and you do a lot of debates. I really would like to sit down with a WNBA player or the commissioner, which I don't think she's going to take to offer.

1:09:25I really would like to sit down and hear their side of the story. I'm really curious. I'm okay with sitting down with a former WNBA player or whoever out there wants to debate me or have a conversation with me. I'm not saying that I'm the most educated when it comes to this topic, but I really would like to hear their side of the story and try to understand.

1:09:46Piers Morgan:You don't need to be that well-educated. You're a man and you know the physical advantage you have over women. It's literally as simple as that. People can try and bring semantics into it and they can try and use the, well, you're transphobic if you think that. You've made it clear you're not remotely transphobic, nor am I. I want trans people to have the same rights to fairness, equality and safety that you and I enjoy, right? And I want them to play sport. I just don't want them wrecking the integrity of women's sport. This should not be difficult. and it is moral cowardice by people like Megan Rapinoe and Natasha Cloud and all these others who virtue-signal their way to the headlines by actually supporting something which attacks the integrity of their own sport.

1:10:28Piers Morgan:I find it incredible. And I salute your courage in doing it. I know why you're doing it. I don't think it's a gimmick. I see people like Dave Portnoy saying you're an absolute clown for making the issue about him. But you're not actually making it about you. What you're saying is, look, this is how mad this is. I could literally play in the WNBA. And if I did, I'd be immediately the greatest player in the history of the WNBA. I'd win all the records, all the competitions. I'd get all the money, all the endorsements, all the sponsorship, and it would obviously be as fair as Lance Armstrong and his team of cheating cyclists winning all the cycling trophies by pumping themselves with illegal drugs.

1:11:11Piers Morgan:It's the same thing to me. It gives you an unfair advantage, and therefore it shouldn't be allowed. And why we're debating it even is nuts to me. Because you know what? I'm a nice guy. I really want to like to hear their side of the story. Like Megan Rapinoe or whoever out there, right? Sure, like, let me come. We'll go on your show. And I would love to see Don. I really want to hear her side of the story and what she thinks and what her mindset is. Because there are millions of kids out there, right, idolizing many athletes like Caitlin Clark, Sophie Cunningham, or whatever sport is. Like, it doesn't matter how much they work, whatever they eat, however they sleep.

1:11:58If they think that at one point in my life I'm going to compete against a man, they will be crushed. and think about this to all these parents out there would you be okay with your daughter taking a shower in the same room as with me of course same go to bathroom or go to locker rooms in the

1:12:15Piers Morgan:same locker room as me like i have a 14 i have a 14 year old daughter it would horrify me it'd be not because i don't trust you or dislike you it's just not right it's why we have separate Oh, my Lord. This should not be difficult. I think America needs to just check itself before it's too late. Like, this is just, I want to make this vertical. This is not a right or left issue. This is just a common sense. And we have to be on the right side of the history. What reaction have you had, and it's from people in the street? The what? What reaction have you had from people in the street when you walk around?

1:12:53So, depends on which state. I guess, I mean, with Chicago, I was getting a lot of death threats. I mean, it's so interesting. Really? Even with my social media. I mean, we posted all the videos. Even with my social media, I get death threats, like, pretty much, like, once every hour. And they said, oh, I hate women. I am misogynist. I'm anti-trans. I'm anti-LGPTQ. Shame on my—I'm like, listen, obviously, I don't really respond to any of it. But the thing is, Pierce, like, this is God's work. and whatever, other than death, there's nothing can stop me and nothing will stop me because I know if I ever, I don't have a kid, but if I had a kid, I wouldn't want my kids to be in the same locker room, same shower, same bathroom with a biological male.

1:13:41I wouldn't want my daughter to play against a male athlete at one point of her career. So for that reason, other than that, there's nothing going to stop me.

1:13:52Piers Morgan:You know, we had a situation in the UK, in Scotland, where the Scottish First Minister, so the top politician in Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, endorsed a policy where trans... People identifying as a trans woman could be transferred from a male prison into a female prison. And so a bunch... You know, at least one male rapist, in other cases, one notorious male rapist just suddenly said, well, I'm now a woman, and got put into a woman's prison. where literally he was surrounded by new potential victims. And this was supposedly a progressive female leader of a country. Now, unsurprisingly, she lost her job not long after that for a number of reasons, but this was one of them.

1:14:37Piers Morgan:And it was just... I felt... I mean, I knew her quite well. I was like, how can a woman promoting women's rights like you do allow that to happen? To put a male rapist who puts his hand up and says, I'm now a woman... It's like putting a hen... You know, a fox into a hencoop. Literally the same thing. And yet a lot of women were like, no, no, this is progressive. Really? You think that's why the suffragettes fought for women's rights? So you could put male rapists into women's prisons so they can attack other women? I mean, it's just completely crackers. Well, Ennis, look, thank you for coming on, Uncensored.

1:15:13Piers Morgan:Of course. I saw what you were getting at. I knew immediately you weren't making a mockery of this, You were just saying, this is a problem and it has to be sorted. And you've all got your head in the sand and you're pretending it's not a problem. And I salute you for exposing it. And I think sometimes it takes moral courage. And, you know, as you say, you're getting death threats every hour, which is disgusting. But that follows what happens with these kind of debates. People on the left, they think they're... It's not even a left-right thing, as you say, but people of a kind of woke mentality.

1:15:44Piers Morgan:They think it's absolutely fine to lecture you about being misogynist while simultaneously threatening to kill you, right? And it's utter hypocrisy. The last thing, I really want to make it clear to all, to every Americans or everyone out there, I'm not here to mock, make fun of any personal decision, any group or anyone out there, you know? I'm literally just going out there and sharing my views and people are calling it anti-woman. You know, it's a free speech. They can say whatever they want to say. But Megan Rapinoe or whoever out there, please come. Let's debate. Let's have a conversation.

1:16:22Peter's right there. I'm not shy of, you know, anything. I would love to just sit down and have a conversation. And maybe, you know what? Maybe you'll educate me. Maybe there's something that I don't see that I'm not, that maybe you can educate me and we can have a conversation. My mindset will change. So I'm a peacemaker. I don't want to have any trouble with anyone. I know they're villainising me and now I'm like the number one public enemy, but I really would like to sit down and have a conversation with whoever's out there.

1:16:49Piers Morgan:Well, if Miss Rapinoe is watching, we've tried to interview her many times. She has never agreed to be interviewed by me. Here's the challenge, Megan. I wonder why. Megan gives it the big one on social media. Fearless Megan. Well, if you're that fearless, come on Uncensored. Me, you and Ennis will have a little chat about this whole issue. and we are prepared to be educated and prepared to have our minds changed if you are able to do that. So, Megan Rapinoe, that is the challenge. Stop ducking us. Come and have the debate and let's hear why you think it's fine and we will argue our case and the viewers can determine who they think has won the argument.

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