'You're Full Of S***!' Piers Morgan Takes Down Moon Landing Denier | Artemis II Debate

0:00The most powerful government in the world falsified their greatest accomplishment. They did indeed fake the moon landing. I want to treat Bart as a colleague, maybe not as an equal. I'm not an equal. Oh my goodness. If you would let me teach you some physics, then you could make your argument stronger.

0:17Piers Morgan:Charlie Duke is an Apollo astronaut, the 10th and youngest man to walk on the surface of the moon. What do you feel about the conspiracy theorists who think the moon landings were all invented? They never happened. They're fake. You're willfully ignorant if you don't believe that we landed on the moon. What is the mindset of somebody who said, well, it didn't really happen? That's like the denial of humanity. These crazy individuals shouldn't have our attention. Given this is the furthest that NASA have ever sent a rocket, presumably you think this must be fake too. The Artemis II mission to the dark side of the moon will be the furthest human beings have ever traveled from Earth.

0:55Piers Morgan:It's a precursor to a full return to the lunar surface and perhaps even reaching Mars. But for this trip, historic though it is, there will be no landing, no walking, no flags planted, very much unlike the Apollo mission 50 years ago. In a moment, we'll talk to the man who says he's on a CIA hit list because he blew the whistle on what he says are the original moon landings being fake. But first, let's talk to the Chancellor's distinguished professor of physics at UC San Diego and host of the Into the Impossible podcast. Welcome to you, Professor Keating. How are you? Good to see you again, Piers.

1:30Piers Morgan:Well, good to see you. I'm obviously about to talk to Bart Simrel. He's made himself pretty infamous by ending up being punched by Buzz Aldrin for questioning to his face that he'd walked on the moon and being part of that, of course, that first immortal trip. What is, before we get to him, what is your view of people that just don't want to believe this has ever happened? I think it's something we need to take very seriously, but not literally. In other words, there are reasons. You could say there could be reasons why NASA and maybe the US government, maybe even the CIA would want to put a whack on BART, as I've heard him describe it.

2:11Perhaps there are some mistruths that our government tell from time to time. But in order to believe the moon landings in the 1960s and 70s were fake, you need to believe a whole host of things that not only require vast conspiracy numbers involving hundreds of thousands of people, you need to suspend your scientific reasoning and your ability to search for truth. You know, Piers, we live in an age that's sometimes called post-truth or post-fact, where you're entitled to your own, you know, ideas and theories. But in reality, what worries me more is not that people get facts wrong. I mean, that happens all the time.

2:48Happens to me all the time as a scientist, but it's that we undermine the process of truth-seeking that no society can withstand. So I'm hoping to talk to Bart. He knows about me. I've invited him to chat on my podcast, and he's turned it down for reasons that I don't understand. So I'm eager to talk to him because I think it's instructive for the public to see not only the great triumphs, but why we know for certain that these things happen and why it speaks to not only American exceptionalism, but humanity's exceptionalism. Well, you know, we'll come back and discuss

3:24Piers Morgan:Artemis specifically in a bit. But given you've teed this up very nicely and we have Bart Sybil waiting, joining me now is Bart Sybil, who has been, what many view, is a conspiracy investigator about the moon landing, saying they're fake. He even confronted, as I said, Buzz Aldrin. Let's take a look at what happened then.

3:47you're the one who said you walked on the moon when you didn't call on the kettle black if ever thought of saying I misrepresented myself you're a coward and a liar and a thief

4:04Piers Morgan:well Bart Simmel joins me now welcome to Uncensored I've actually met Buzz Aldrin all I remember is he had one of the hardest handshakes I've ever encountered on any human being ever. So you were quite courageous there, Barton, but albeit as you were calling one of the great modern heroes a coward. Why are you so obsessed about branding the lunar landings fake? Well, because one of the most historic events in human history isn't putting a man on the moon. It's that the most powerful government in the world that hypocritically claims to represent truth and justice falsified their alleged greatest accomplishment.

4:44They did indeed fake the moon landing. And Brian, first time I've ever seen you speak, he's obviously highly intelligent and a very reasonable person. Unfortunately, people want to believe a tantalizing lie like their team ran or won the Super Bowl. What he's, you know, he claims I'm denying scientific reasoning, but actually he's doing that because it's never happened in the history of the world that a milestone technologically occurred, like let's say flying across the Atlantic in 1927 or breaking the sound barrier or splitting the first atom. It's never happened in the history of the world that more than 50 years later, no one could accomplish it.

5:30Absolute rubbish. What's absolute rubbish? Well, you know, let me let me I'm up against fifth. We've heard your side of the story for 57 years. I would love to just comment on that because I have I have actual experience with an event that happened and it was separated by 60 years. I reached the South Pole twice in 2007 and 2009. Do you know who the first people to reach the South Pole were, Bart? Well, Admin and Scott. Yeah, that's right. And, you know, Admin was for Norway. It took four attempts to reach the South Pole. Hold on one second. Edmondson was the first person to ever reach it. And we didn't go back for 50 years until 1964.

6:07Bart, we didn't go back for 50 years exactly like what happened. Was it harder? Have I never been to the South Pole, Bart? I don't know. I mean, I presume that you win. I have video evidence of me there. Okay, so here we are with six. I'm not denying that. The fact is we have six decades. But you just made a claim that nothing gets hard, nothing gets easier Unless this is technologically true. Well, I can offer, I would like to offer my own contribution.

6:33Piers Morgan:Hang on. I'm not getting much time to share my side of the story here. But, hang on. I'd like to offer my own contribution to that debate. Because I personally went on the last Concorde flight, which was about 20 years ago. And we have gone backwards in the speed of passenger air travel because it now takes twice as long for me to get to New York as it did 20 years ago. So there's another example. The question is, are there aircraft that fly higher and faster than the Concorde? And there are. Not with passengers. Well, people are on board the M25. There's no commercial plane. There's no commercial plane that can get to New York in under about six and a half hours.

7:20Piers Morgan:Whereas Concorde did it in two hours 58. So the premise of your argument is flawed because you've already heard one example from Brian, you've heard one from me. I'm sure there are a myriad other examples. But I'm just keen, before we get too far into the weeds on that part of it, you said here about the lunar landings, in order to appreciate the full absurdity of the lie, it bears repeating what both the US government and NASA claimed in the 60s. On the very first attempt to, and all with one millionth computing power of a cell phone, they've been able to send astronauts to orbit and land on the surface of the moon a distance that is 1 ,000 times farther than they can achieve with human spaceflight today.

8:00Piers Morgan:To buy into your conspiracy theory about this, that it never happened, the sheer volume of people who must have signed up to this conspiracy, right, is overwhelming. Why has none of them, why have none of the people that were part of the lie, why have none of them broken ranks to say this was all faked? Well, first of all, you're incorrect. I spoke to Eugene Krantz, flight director. He said that someone in the command center cannot tell the difference between a, quote, rehearsal flight and a, quote, a real flight. Just because there's 400 ,000 bank tellers at Bank of America, what a bank teller knows about corruption in the bank and what the CEO knows are completely different.

8:42There's only three eyewitnesses to every program. And who knows where they're really going? The fact is we did have someone come forward. Two people came forward. Betty Grissom, the widow of the man who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon. I interviewed her for four hours before she died. I bet Brian did not do that. She told me that her husband called her on January 26, 1967 from NASA and said, Han, for some strange reason, the CIA is over the launch pad today inspecting the equipment. I've been here eight years, never seen them before. That never happened. Why did they show up today?

9:21That never happened. The very next day. That never happened. Even your own testimony says that she didn't see them. I guess Betty Grissom's a liar. Allow Brian to respond to that, please.

9:29Piers Morgan:Brian. She never said that. I haven't finished speaking. He interrupted me. Allow me to say. Bart, I want to do you a favor. Bart, I want to do you a favor. I think what you do is important. I think, as I said originally, I think it's important to question things. Certainly, the government lies to us. Oh, thank you so much. Hold on one second. But what Betty Grissom said, she said they were all over. The CIA was in the Mission Command Center. She never said that. If you go back and look at your own transcripts, she didn't say they were on the launch pad. No one had access to the launch pad because it was full of rocket fuel, so they wouldn't even let the technicians near it, as you know.

10:03But, Bart, I think you have much stronger evidence. And I don't know why you're leading with the things that are most easily deflated. I'd love to talk about what you claim is the most strong evidence so we can tell people. Did you interview Betty Grissom for four hours before she died? Did you say? I 'VE READ YOUR TRANSCRIPTS. I 'VE READ TRANSCRIPTS BY YOU AND BY HER. I'M ASKING YOU IF YOU INTERVIEWED HER FOR FOUR HOURS. SHE DID SAY THAT THEY WERE CIA. SHE NEVER SAID THEY WERE CRAWLING OVER THE LAUNCHBAD. DOES THAT PROVE THAT THE MOON MANUES DIDN'T HAVE TO? YOU WEREN'T EVEN ALIVE AT THE TIME.

10:29THAT'S WHAT SHE TOLD ME IN A FOUR-ERRIVAL INTERVIEW. LET ME ASK YOU, BART. I'M NOT DOUBTING THAT SHE...

10:33Piers Morgan:BART, LET ME ASK YOU. WHAT IS THE MOST CONVINCING PIECE OF EVIDENCE YOU HAVE THAT IT WAS FAKED? Well, I have the crew of Apollo 11 faking being halfway to the moon using a one foot model of the Earth. And I have the CIA on a third track of audio telling them to fake a four second radio delay from Earth orbit. And then we have the eyewitness testimony of a deathbed confession of Cyrus Eugene anchors who saw them film it at Cannon Air Force Base in 1968, even confessed to killing somebody to cover it up because the NSA asked them to do so. That's a strange thing to be saying. You've also claimed, I'll come to you, Brian, in a second, but you've also claimed, you've described what you call as anomalous shadows that are not parallel, suggesting multiple artificial light sources in a studio rather than a single distant sun.

11:23Piers Morgan:So these photographs that we're looking at now, you think are indicative of fakery. Well, let me also say I went from being the biggest fan, greater fan than Brian. I had a shrine of Apollo Pictures in my house for decades. And a filmmaker's job is to make fake scenes look real. Go back to the picture and look how shadows should be in sunlight. The sun, it's a million times bigger than the Earth in volume. It's 93 million miles away. It's going to cast shadows in the same direction on the Earth or the moon. There's two telephone poles about five feet apart. The shadows are parallel. Here's a picture they claim was taken on the moon of objects five feet apart.

12:03The astronaut shadows at 12 o 'clock. The rock, five feet away. the shadows at 9 o 'clock. That can only happen with a close electrical light. We just proved with one photograph that they faked the moon landing despite what anybody says, despite what the corrupt federal government says. That picture cannot be duplicated in sunlight. It can only be duplicated with electrical light, which means they're on Earth, which means they didn't go to the moon. I'm sorry to bring you the bad news.

12:28Piers Morgan:No, no, that's your claim. Brian Keating, your response. Well, again, I want to treat Bart as a colleague, maybe not as an equal, but I want to treat him fairly. I don't want to say, Bart, you have much better evidence than I've heard you talk about. I'm not an equal. Oh, my goodness. Well, I don't think you're a trained scientist. Bart, I mean, if I go to my Wikipedia page... I don't think you're a trained cinematographer either. That's not right. When I go to my Wikipedia page, it says... Those pictures were taken with electrical light. Okay, Bart, when I go to my Wikipedia page, people can see that I'm listed as a professor of astrophysics with 40 years of experience.

13:00When they go to your page, it says conspiracy theorist. So I don't want to say that we're equal because we're not. We're not in the same league. I will treat you like a peer. I will give you an expert review of what you're talking about. But what I want to tell you very clearly, Bart, is you're being deceived. Your league is parroting back what you're told. I want to use your own words. I want to treat you seriously, Bart. I want to say that you have talked to Candace Owens on her podcast, and you described what she later called the firmament, the asteroid belt, and then later the Van Allen belts.

13:28This is one key piece of qualitative but quantitative evidence that you have presented, which I think deserves attention. You have a claim the Van Allen belts are deadly and they are not survivable, and NASA knew that themselves. Correct or incorrect, Mark? Well, show the clip. What clip number is it here, right? Let's hear it in NASA's own mouth. Well, we've got the clip.

13:50Piers Morgan:Hang on, hang on. We've got the clip. Let's play the clip. So the Van Allen radiation belts, you've argued the radiation surrounding Earth is so extreme it would have been lethal for any human to pass through, making the journey impossible. So let's take a look at the clip. Alan said so. Let's take a look. We're going to play the clip. My name is Kelly Smith, and I work on navigation and guidance for Orion. We are headed 3 ,600 miles above Earth, 15 times higher from the planet than the International Space Station.

14:24As we get further away from Earth, we'll pass through the Van Allen belts, an area of dangerous radiation.

14:35Radiation like this could harm the guidance systems, onboard computers or other electronics on Orion. Naturally, we have to pass through this danger zone twice, once up and once back.

14:49We must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space. We must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space.

15:00Piers Morgan:So that's your claim, Bob. Professor Keating, what's your response to that? Well, it's not my claim, it's NASA's claim. He said we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space, meaning the radiation challenges. OK, but very carefully, he doesn't say, because we've never done it before. He never says, Brian, what do you let me see? Do you interrupt because I'm not in the same league as you and you're better than me? No, we just played an extended clip that you produced about a certain theory, so Professor Keating will not respond. Right. So a whiteboard sketch by some NASA engineer who is, to my knowledge, not sketching the exact schematics of the trajectory.

15:38He shows and he describes the Van Allen belts are deadly. And you're right, Bart, they are deadly. And NASA knew that because who did Van Allen work for? John Van Allen worked for NASA. So in order for us to believe it, and he testified that the Van Allen belts, if traversed safely, were no threat to the astronauts beyond getting a few chest x-rays, which you and I probably do every year, right? So I have a model of the Van Allen belts here. Here's a plasma globe, which has electron plasma in it. I thought you bought that radio. Hold on, please. Now you're not letting me present scientific evidence, okay?

16:09There are electrons in here that are at 30 ,000 degrees Kelvin, far hotter than the temperature of the melting point of aluminum, which you talk about in that documentary, which I've seen many times, to debunk it. Inside of this plasma globe, the reason I don't get melted is because the electron density is tiny. It is anisotropic. If you go at different regions through the Van Allen belts, it's completely safe. And one last thing that NASA engineer mentioned, he said it could be dangerous to the navigation systems, the electronics, correct? That means that, according to you, we never even sent electronics, telemetry, anything through the Van Allen belts.

16:45But you know who else agrees that we did? The Soviets. Our arch nemesis, peers, you may not know this. The same day that we landed on the moon, the Russians had a probe that they were trying to return samples from the moon, like this moon rock that I have here. And they were trying to return it to Earth to beat us. And they ended up crashing that spacecraft on July 21, 1969. They failed to reach it, but they agreed to coordinate with NASA, so they didn't hit the Apollo lander because they agreed that would be a much worse thing. Now, Piers, can you imagine us coordinating with Ayatollah Khomeini right now?

17:17And he's going to congratulate us tomorrow or tonight when the Artemis mission lands. That's what goes around the moon. That's exactly what happened. So the best evidence, Bart, doesn't come from America even. It comes from the Chinese, from the Indians, from the Russians, who are our nemesis at the time, proving that we went there with their own images, data and scientific evidence. So that's the way we should do things as a scientifically literate society. And your theory, Bob, hang on, hang on. One of the facts you're ignoring is that, what is his name, Rotogen Dimitri, he was the former commander of the Soviet equivalent of NASA.

17:55He said as soon as he retired, the moon missions were fake. And then I have a friend who works at the Chinese Space Agency. He says that they're blackmailing NASA in exchange for technology that Congress forbid them to receive. So we have retroactively to the Soviet Union, which doesn't exist anymore. He has. Wait a minute. We have the Russian space director saying the moon missions are fake. And we have an employee of the Chinese space agency saying they know the missions are fake and are being blackmailed by the United States.

18:25Piers Morgan:And your theory, your theory about motivation, your argument is that they were faked to ensure a Cold War victory for the U.S. over the Soviet Union. You contend that NASA was under immense pressure to fulfill President Kennedy's goal of landing a man on the moon by the end of the 60s. But they lack the ability technologically to do it. According to you, the risk of high-profile failure and subsequent national humiliation led the US government and the CIA to stage the events in a studio instead, to which my obvious question would be, look, full disclosure, I don't believe a word of it. However, let's just assume for a moment your theory is correct.

19:04Piers Morgan:Which studio? Where? Where did they do this? Well, I guess you weren't paying attention when I said they filmed it at Cannon Air Force Base June 1st, 2nd and 3rd of 1968. according to an eyewitness who confessed to killing a co-worker to cover up the moon landing fraud. Hang on, sorry, I did hear what you said, but there were a number of lunar landings. So you're saying it was all done in this one studio? Well, no, we know that the first one, the TV images were filmed at Cannon Airport Space according to an eyewitness who confessed to a homicide that was investigated by the military police, the United States Senate Intelligence Committee and the FBI.

19:43And when they investigated, they asked him why did he kill this co-worker at Cannon Air Force Base in 1968. He said to cover up the moon landing fraud. He took an oath by the NSA for secrecy. His co-worker was going to tell the public, and he killed him to keep it a secret. And back to whether the radiation belts are lethal or not, don't take my opinion. Don't take Brian's opinion. Go to sabrell.com and read Van Allen's opinion, his document that he published after sending probes up into the radiation. belts in 1958 Scientific American article, and he says they are 250 times a lethal dose. So when they say we have - That is depending on how you go through it.

20:24Bart, if you go through a rainstorm through the eye of a hurricane, it's much different than going through the outsourts of it where it's a nice light London fog, perhaps. It's very different. Van Allen belts are highly anisotropic. Bart, I want to teach you some physics. Bart, if you would let me teach you some physics, then you can make your argument stronger, perhaps, okay? There's multiple Van Allen belts. There's an inner Van Allen Belt. There's an outer Van Allen Belt. Teach me, professor. I've heard you refuse to debate me. Bart, this is my only chance to debate you. You refused to debate me on Joe Rogan.