In short
The episode is a high-conflict debate about the Iran-Israel/US war and whether the conflict is justified, winnable, and should be negotiated. Mohammad Marandi (Tehran University professor) argues the US and Israel “failed utterly” in their aggression and that Iran was not seeking nuclear weapons, citing claims about IAEA findings and US intelligence since 2003, plus statements attributed to Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent. He frames Iran as resisting “evil,” condemns Israeli actions in Gaza as genocide/holocaust, and claims Iran’s protesters were killed (he references 50,000) and that Iran’s chemical attacks were a response to earlier chemical weapons used against Iran. Alan Dershowitz (lawyer/scholar/author; former high-profile US legal figure) argues Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons and that preventive action is necessary, comparing the situation to 1935 Germany/Versailles and citing “setbacks” from Israel/US strikes (including “Operation Midnight Hammer”).
Key claims
Marandi says enriched uranium remains but denies imminent nuclear intent; Dershowitz says calibrated success has delayed nuclear capability by “a couple of years.”
Notable examples
negotiations described as vague MOUs; Hormuz Strait leverage; claims about protesters executed; and Dershowitz’s references to North Korea and “airtight” nuclear constraints.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Stakes of the Iranian Conflict
0:45 to 3:56
Exploring the complexities of the U.S.-Iran relationship and current tensions.
“The MOU, which he eventually got signed, was successful only because it was vague enough for both sides to think that they got everything by agreeing to nothing.”
The Perception of Victory
3:56 to 9:35
Discussion on the progress of the war and perceptions of success or failure.
“And I think for many people, they can see that today.”
Negotiating Peace in a Hostile Environment
9:35 to 13:38
Debate on potential paths to peace amid ongoing military conflict.
“They're attacking their Gulf state neighbours with impunity.”
Debating the State of the War
14:00 to 14:32
Learn about the current status and international dynamics of the war involving Iran.
“You know, I've been having a lot of debates in the last few days about the state of this war.”
Accusations and Historical Comparisons
14:32 to 18:36
Explore the arguments regarding Iran's nuclear ambitions and historical parallels to WWII.
“war of aggression on Iran, both last year and this year.”
The Case for Diplomatic Solutions
18:36 to 21:30
Understand the perspectives on preventing Iran from developing nuclear capabilities through diplomacy.
“It's not perfect, and it will have all kinds of problems.”
Claims of Genocide and Global Reactions
21:30 to 27:52
Discuss the claims of genocide in Gaza and global responses to the Israeli regime.
“Just assure the world that your promise, which is hollow, obviously, on behalf of the Iranian regime, that you don't want to develop nuclear weapons, that your promise can actually be made certain on the ground.”
Debating Israel's Global Image
28:00 to 29:50
The discussion centers on Israel's international unpopularity and the implications of its current government.
“And I'm not at all a supporter of Ben Gavir.”
Historical Parallels and Controversial Claims
29:50 to 31:52
The speakers draw historical parallels to discuss the morality of preventive wars and accusations against Israel and Iran.
“It takes tremendous courage to get involved in a war that is unpopular.”
Escalating Tensions and Accusations
31:52 to 34:22
A heated exchange occurs, with accusations of genocide and comparisons between the regimes of Iran and Israel.
“You're anti-Semite because you've been slaughtered.”
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Calls for Political Change and Regime Critique
34:22 to 38:28
Discussion shifts to the potential for a democratic change in Iran and the implications of external support.
“How many times do you think I was at Jeffrey Epstein's Island?”
Allegations of Media Control and Propaganda
38:28 to 40:41
Dershowitz and Marandi engage in allegations regarding media narratives and their influence on public perception.
“ultimately, for the first time, real democracy.”
Political Ramifications of U.S. Elections
40:41 to 42:00
The conversation explores the potential political outcomes of U.S. elections on foreign policy regarding Iran and Israel.
“All right, let me bring Alan back in here.”
Debate on Iran and Nuclear Threats
42:00 to 43:51
A heated exchange about political responsibility and the nuclear threat posed by Iran.
“Voters are fickle, But principled politicians, Churchillian politicians, do the right thing regardless of what the political implications are.”
Discussion on Equality and Rights
43:51 to 46:05
The participants discuss the rights of Palestinians and the concept of equality in the region.
“But let me ask you, Professor Miranda, let me ask you, look, I presume there's one thing you would both agree on, which you would like this war to be over sooner rather than later, correct?”
Historical Context of the Conflict
46:05 to 49:04
An exploration of the historical events leading to the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
“I think that they should be citizens of an independent state in Gaza, an independent state in Gaza.”
Challenges in Negotiations
49:04 to 51:12
Insights into the difficulties faced in negotiating peace agreements in the region.
“May I just— May I just— Because as a lawyer, let me just tell you one thing.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00I'm sitting opposite Joseph Goebbels right now. Will you at least admit that Iran murdered in cold blood as many as 50 ,000 innocent protesters? We are in 1942. You are the Nazi regime. Epstein's lawyer, Trump's lawyer, is afraid of me, a layman talking. I'm not afraid of you. You can kill Epstein. You can kill whoever you like, but we're not afraid. You can bomb my house. I am prepared to die for the Palestinian people. I would even represent you if anybody tried to prevent you. I don't need you. You're not a good lawyer.
0:39Piers Morgan:Vice President J.D. Vance spent 21 hours to go sitting with the Iranians in the first failed attempt at ending the Iran war. The MOU, which he eventually got signed, was successful only because it was vague enough for both sides to think that they got everything by agreeing to nothing. Well, both sides have bright red lines. The U.S. wants a guarantee that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, plus all of its enriched uranium. It also wants the Hormuz Street to be permanently open. Iran wants all sanctions lifted, proxy militias taken off the table, reparations for war damage and for its control of Hormuz to be ratified.
1:13Piers Morgan:Oh, it wants to keep the enriched uranium, too. In a moment, we'll be holding our own uncensored negotiation. We're representatives from both sides. It will not last 21 hours, but we begin with the newly appointed international spokesman for the embattled Israeli prime minister. Doran Spilman is familiar to many of our uncensored viewers. He now has the task of speaking for a man who is widely blamed for an unpopular war which has cost billions and killed thousands while depleting U.S. munitions, inflating gas prices, shattering alliances and emboldening the regime it's sought to remove. Well, Doran Spilman, first of all, congratulations on your new position.
1:50Thank you for the kind introduction, Pierce. WHAT IS THE WORSE?
1:54Piers Morgan:WELL, IT WAS A BLUNT INTRODUCTION AND IT IS BASED ON A COLD HARD REALITY REALLY. I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD WAKE UP TO SEE A POLL THAT SHOWS THAT NEARLY 50 % OF AMERICANS WANT THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH WAR CRIMES. IT IS PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY THAT THINGS HAVE COME TO THAT. What is your reaction to that?
2:20I can't comment on the poll. I haven't seen the poll. We know that polls can say anything. Depends who you're polling and what people think. But I can tell you about the prime minister is that this is a man who, together with President Trump yesterday, left the White House, two of the most important leaders in the entire world, coordinated. This is the eighth trip that the prime minister and the president, the eighth meeting that they've made together since President Trump was reelected. He has not met with any other leader in the entire world, as much as he's met with Prime Minister Netanyahu and our team.
2:52They left the meeting, and I asked the Prime Minister, I said, how was it? He said, this was one of the best meetings I've ever had with Donald Trump in the 40 years, with President Trump in the 40 years since I've known him. And that just shows you, we're looking at two governments, Pierce, who are so fully coordinated in battling evil. I mean, let's take a step back right now. There's an evil in the world that's called Iran. I think it's objectively evil. They just hung two of their protesters in the streets. They've killed over 50 ,000. They've shot ballistic missiles, and they're firing all over the Middle East.
3:20And you have two leaders who are standing up alone with nobody else's help, saying we're not going to allow this evil to metastasize. Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu and the United States led by President Trump. And this will go down in history, as I've said to you before, Pierce, and I believe this, as the equivalent of having Churchill and Roosevelt fought against Hitler, not in 1942 or 41, but in 1938, before he took the Nazi regime and took over the Middle East. It took over Europe. It will go down in history as two men of incredible bravery and courage. And that's how we're going to see it then.
3:56And I think for many people, they can see that today. If you just look at the facts, they're standing alone against evil, and they are going to win by ensuring that Iran never has a NUCLEAR WEAPON. RIGHT.
4:09Piers Morgan:BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE NOT WINNING. WE WERE TOLD THIS WOULD TAKE TWO TO THREE WEEKS. THEN IT WOULD TAKE FIVE TO SIX WEEKS. WE'RE NEARLY FIVE MONTHS INTO THIS. ALL OF THE WAR AIMS AND PREDICTIONS THAT PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU MADE TO DONALD TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE THIS WAR STARTED HAVE TURNED OUT NOT TO MATERIALIZE. SO THE IRGC REMAIN IN CONTROL. THE PEOPLE HAVEN'T RISEN UP. The Ayatollah's been replaced by his son, who's even more hardline. The Strait of Hormuz has become as powerful to the Iranian regime as a nuclear weapon. They're firing off missiles, as you said, to their neighbouring Gulf states, but they're doing it in retaliation for being attacked themselves.
4:49Piers Morgan:And the upshot of all this is that it's very easy to argue that this evil Iranian regime, and I don't contest your categorisation of it, that they are more emboldened now than they were before the war started. How the hell is that any kind of victory? And how does this end? Pierce, if I was to tell you that a nuclear attack was prevented, would that be considered a success? Because had Israel and the United States not stepped up to the plate in June, and you and I spoke during that war and right after that war, had we not, and it was similar arguments. Why is it taking so long? What's happening?
5:26Had we not stepped up to the plate in June 2025, then in December, January, February 2026, that Iran would have been armed with a nuclear weapon. We wouldn't be talking about the Straits of Hormuz, where Iran is threatening the world with a ballistic missile. Iran would be threatening today with a nuclear weapon. The price of gas isn't going to be$88 a barrel or$120 a barrel. It'll be thousands of dollars a barrel, not to mention that they could shoot and say they will destroy Israel. They're planning on destroying the United States. They're burning pictures of President Trump in the streets, calling for his death.
6:03They're sending people into America. Threats are being taken care of that they are trying to kill the presence of the United States. They would have moved forward and dropped an atomic weapon somewhere in the world to have prevented that. Is that I can't think of a greater military success, Pierce, possibly in the 21st century. And we will look back and we'll understand. There's one problem. You know what? To take care of the Iranian regime, just, just, if I just made just to take care of this regime. There's one problem. Doreen, let me just, hang on, hang on. Let me just rewind you. Sorry, go ahead.
6:31Piers Morgan:Let me just rewind. Let me rewind you. Because you made a statement there. But here's the confusion for the rest of us watching on. After the 12-day war a year ago, which was deemed a spectacular military success, the president of the United States, declared as a fact that Iran's nuclear program and aspirations had been put back decades. Decades. And yet you now want me to believe that within eight months, the threat of them developing a nuclear weapon and using it imminently was right back again. So who's lying here? Who's telling the truth? Was Trump lying when he said that you put back the Israelis and Americans, the Iranian nuclear aspiration by decades last June?
7:16Piers Morgan:Were you lying then or are you lying now? I'm not a spokesman for the president, but I will say this. I think that President Trump has very good instincts. The prime minister, Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Trump have agreed on the outcome, which is the fact that Iran will not have a nuclear weapon whatsoever or the ability to manufacture a nuclear weapon. And therefore, they're united on the goal. How the president decides to move forward to getting that done is up to him. But in answer to your question, President Trump and the state of Israel, led by Israel in June with Operation Midnight Hammer, which is the United States name.
7:52It was Israel for 11 days. The U.S. coming in on the 12th day, causing irreparable damage, stopping Iran from having a nuclear weapon today, set back that regime massively. However, what did Iran do as soon as the fighting stopped? We both know what they did. They didn't all of a sudden turn to the international community and say, you know, we're going to turn over a new leaf. We're going to open businesses. We're going to take Trump's economic plan. Immediately, they eliminated protesters. 50 ,000 people were killed and they went right back to developing their nuclear program. And I think at that point, President Trump sat back and said, wait a second.
8:26We just hammered the midnight hammer. Israel hammered them. And the first thing they do is they go back to trying to produce a nuclear weapon. If that's what their intention is, then we have to try to finish the job. And then he said very clearly, we could do it the easy way with negotiation. I think he's been incredibly patient. Or we could do it the hard way. And our perspective is, however the president decides to do it, and the prime minister has been very clear about this, go ahead and do it. As long as we both agree and we do, they will not have a nuclear weapon. Because if they have it, the United States isn't going to be able to just disconnect from Iran and say, we'll be safe over here.
9:01No, they're building ballistic missiles to reach the East Coast. They already have ballistic missiles that can reach England, not to mention Israel. We cannot allow an arsonist and give him a torch and say, you know what, here's a torch. Try not to light anything on fire. You wouldn't do that with your own family. We can't do it with the world.
9:18Piers Morgan:The problem is that nothing that you've been trying has worked. And that's self-evident because we're now five months into this war. The regime's intact. The IRGC's in control. The people aren't rising up. They're using the Strait of Hormuz. in any way they see fit. They're attacking their Gulf state neighbours with impunity. They've got plenty of ballistic missiles, it's clear, because they keep firing them. And yet I keep waking up and hearing, oh, their Navy's gone, their Air Force is gone, their missiles have gone, and they're completely depleted. We're killing them. Are you? I mean, really?
9:52Piers Morgan:It doesn't look like it to me. It looks like the Iranians are actually getting the upper hand here because they know that controlling the Strait of Hormuz holds the global energy market over a barrel. And even they may not have understood just how big a deal that would be in reality. But it is a massive deal. And what it does is put economic imperatives into play and political ones. With the midterm elections coming in the United States in November, you've got elections, obviously, in Israel. And the Iranians know if they just string things out until then, political imperatives will come into play.
10:27Piers Morgan:I just don't see where the victory comes. You know, I'm seeing no sign of the revolution that you aspire to have happen. The regime appears completely in control and in power. The enriched uranium remains buried away. You've no idea where it is. I just don't see where the victory is coming here unless you can say to me, well, here's how we're going to win and here's the time scale. Can you do that?
10:57you know uh pierce i could respond to each and every single one of these points we've done it before and explain why the regime has been set back i could talk about the ballistic missiles i could talk about their command and control structure which is already in the fourth tier i could take this piece by piece but you know what the biggest and i want to respond you know you know what this war brought out and what iran's biggest tactical mistake was in addition to not accepting the peace deal and killing so many of their people. They played their hand. They played their hand now. They now realize, like you said, they control the Straits of Hormuz and they can bring the world to its knees because of the financial crisis.
11:33And they played this hand before they have a nuclear weapon. Can we imagine, Pierce, if a nuclear weapon, which was three weeks away from Iran in June and could be rebuilt again if this regime, if that enriched material is not removed, if they had a nuclear weapon. If they were smart, they never would have gone to the Straits of Hormuz. They would have said, we're going to accept everything. And they would have slowly built up their plan. Israel would have tried to take them out. And then when they, if they got a weapon, they would have held the entire world hostage. But by playing their hand, we understand who they are.
12:06And you know what, Pierce, we can say back and forth all day long, We haven't done everything. No, we have to work towards defeating this regime. The president, with great wisdom, has said, you know what, I really want to negotiate. And by the way, Israel, I spoke with the prime minister about this directly. It's how he feels it in his heart. He said, if the president can get this done without us having to send our boys and girls, our airplanes, or whatever else in that region, we prefer it. If not, then we'll have to turn up the heat and we'll have to use whatever military options are necessary.
12:34But we want to stretch this as long as we can to hope, and I don't know if it's possible. I'm skeptical, but to hope that maybe someone in Iran will for once think about the Iranian people and we can look towards a ray of sunlight. But if not, we're going to have to use other options. And the president clearly has shown, as is Israel, that we have those options on the table.
12:55Piers Morgan:I've interviewed probably Netanyahu three times in my career, but we've tried every week since October the 7th to get him back on uncensored and he so far resisted all our approaches. You now are his official spokesman. Could we get an interview with him? I'm willing to bring it up. I'm only one week in my position. I keep being told how fearless he is so I don't know what would stop him. But maybe you could pass on the message that we have an open schedule whenever he would make time for us. We'd appreciate it. I will let him know. Doran Spielman, I appreciate you coming on. Thank you very much.
13:39Piers Morgan:Well, let's bring in our two national representatives for the uncensored attempt at brokering the terms of peace. Professor at Tehran University, Mohammed Mirandi, and lawyer, scholar, and author, Alan Dershowitz. Well, welcome to both of you. We've not had you two debating on uncensored. I hope we can conduct it in a civilized manner. Mohammed Mirandi, let me start with you. You know, I've been having a lot of debates in the last few days about the state of this war. And it seems to me that whatever people think of the Iranian regime, it is holding out against the might of the American and Israeli military pretty capably so far.
14:17Piers Morgan:We're nearly five months into this war. What is your overall assessment of where the war is? Well, contrary to what I heard in your little love fest with the spokesman of the genocidal regime, the regime in Washington and the regime in Tel Aviv have both failed utterly in their war of aggression on Iran, both last year and this year. And of course, it was always based on a lie, and we know that they were lying. The International Atomic Energy Agency has never indicated that Iran at any point was seeking a nuclear weapon. U.S. intelligence since 2003, at least since then, admits that Iran was never seeking a nuclear weapon.
15:10Tulsi Gabbard just last year, under oath, said Iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon. And Joe Kent, in his resignation letter at the beginning of the war, an appointee by Trump, head of anti-terrorism, he said that Iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon and that it was not a threat to the United States, contrary to what the madman was saying before this discussion. But we know that Joe Kent also said the reason for this war is the Zionist lobby and the Israeli regime. And yes, the United States has failed. They failed in the 40 days of war. They failed in the 12-day war. They failed in the 40 days of battle.
15:54They failed in siege warfare against the Iranian people. And they failed in the recent conflict or aggression with the Iranians. And they will fail in future. And they are the United States under pressure from Zionists. They are pushing the global economy towards a cliff. And if this continues, we will have a global economic depression.
16:18Piers Morgan:Alan Deitschewitz, your response to that? We are in 1935 Germany. Versailles Treaty, Germany's starting to rearm. It's drafting people. It's violating the treaty. And England and France could have destroyed in a preventive war what eventually resulted in 100 million deaths from Nazi Germany, but they didn't. Why? Because if they had gone in in 1935, it would have been messy. It wouldn't have happened in five days. It would have taken time. It would have involved casualties. But in the end, 100 million lives would have been saved. And that's where we are today. Look, Iran is trying to develop a nuclear weapon.
17:03Forget about what he or anybody else says. Every sane, rational person has to assume that Iran would develop a nuclear weapon if it could. and as President Trump has said, would probably use it, maybe not from a bomb, but maybe by giving it to terrorist groups. And so what we have is a situation where the United States and Israel can help prevent a great, great catastrophe. And as your previous guest from Israel said, they've already done that. They've set back the nuclear program. We don't know whether it's months or years, but it's not imminent anymore. And so it has succeeded to that extent.
17:43But it's messy, and it's very difficult, and it's not going to have a clear resolution. But it's better than the alternative, because the alternative would have been Iran developing a nuclear weapon and having the world beholden to it because it has a nuclear weapon. We made a mistake in North Korea. We allowed them to develop nuclear weapons. The other countries that are nuclear weapons aren't going to use them. But Iran has a policy of being able to use every weapon it can to destroy the great Satan of the United States and the small Satan, Israel. And so I really think that this war, unsuccessful as it has been to produce a final result, will go down in history as probably the most important war since World War II in the sense of at least setting back and preventing an even greater catastrophe from occurring.
18:39It's not perfect, and it will have all kinds of problems. And nobody should claim that the nuclear program has been completely obliterated or that it's been a complete success. It's not a complete success. It's just a lot better than the alternative.
18:56Piers Morgan:But is it a remote success, Alan? Because last time I checked, the Iranian regime still has all its enriched uranium. They've given no indication that they're prepared to surrender any of that. And their chances, therefore, of developing the nuclear weapon in the way that you fear seem to be exactly the same as they were before all this. And again, I'll repeat what I said to Donald Spillman, which is we were assured at the end of a 12-day war by President Trump that that had put back Iran's nuclear aspirations in terms of developing a nuclear weapon by decades. And yet eight months later, we have to launch a fully-fledged war against them because they're about to use nuclear weapons.
19:37Piers Morgan:These things can't all be true. No, it's true. That's absolutely accurate. But what it has done is it's set back the program considerably. For example, yes, they still have enriched uranium. By the way, why do they have it if they're not trying to develop nuclear weapons? But they're buried. And both Israel and the United States have eyes, satellite eyes on it. And right now, it's not accessible to them. Right now, the centrifuges are in great difficulty. Small victories when it comes to preventing nuclear war are very, very important. And, you know, I think a lot of people make the mistake of assuming one side is going to win, one side is going to lose.
20:16know we can have calibrated successes. And what we're seeing here is a calibrated success in setting back the nuclear program, not 20 years, not six months, probably a couple of years. The threat is not imminent. And there are many things that can happen. We don't know what the fate of Pickaxe Mountain is going to be. It too may be subject to attack because of its ability to produce perhaps nuclear weapons. This is an ongoing battle. It will not end in five weeks. It will not end in five years. The goal is to make sure that Iran never, ever, ever, under any circumstances develops nuclear weapons.
20:55And my opponent on the other side doesn't seem to have a problem with that. He doesn't think Iran ever wants to develop nuclear weapons. So why don't you come to the table, make a deal that will make it absolutely impossible to do what you say Iran wants to do, and that is not developing nuclear weapons. We can have peace if you come to the table and present the United States and the world with an airtight, not the old plan, but an airtight plan to do what you say you want to do, that is prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. So here we can be on the same page here and we can avoid further war.
21:34Just come to the table and do that. Just assure the world that your promise, which is hollow, obviously, on behalf of the Iranian regime, that you don't want to develop nuclear weapons, that your promise can actually be made certain on the ground. Then we can have peace. Okay, Professor Morandi. Oh, is it my turn? Because you've been, you know, for the last half an hour, you've been busy with the spokesman for genocide and Epstein's buddy, who used to go to Rape Island with him. I'm a lawyer. For a person who frequented Rape Island, I think anything that he says is nonsense. And see, I listen to him.
22:21I listen to him, but he's a lawyer, yet he cannot tolerate the words of a layman. That's how weak his argument is. Now, of course, someone who supports the genocidal regime of Israel would say this sort of nonsense. And, of course, we recall how the South African government in its ICJ complaint showed genocidal intent by the Israeli regime, including the Israeli prime minister, whose spokesman you brought on and had this little love fest before this discussion.
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22:57Piers Morgan:and... You know what, you don't have to keep making... Professor Miranda, just to be clear, it wasn't a love fest. I can spend my time saying what I want. I made some tough statements. I treated him with the same respect I try and treat you until you inevitably go... until you always invariably go ad hominem on people. Try not to go ad hominem. Stop with the silly deeps. Stick to the proper debate we're having. and viewers may learn something. Force yourself. Let the viewers judge, Piers. I know where you stand, Piers. I saw your previous interview with Ehud Barak. I saw it with his spokesman.
23:41We know where you stand, so that's not really important. But the point is that... Where do you think I stand? Where do you think I stand? You stand with the ethnosupremacist regime. I once asked you three times in a row, Do you consider an ethno-supremacist regime to be legitimate? And you refuse to answer. And the tone of your language, the fact that I'm not allowed to speak.
24:06Piers Morgan:I've also, I've also, hang on, just to be clear, just to be clear, just to be clear, and I want to get back to the debate in a moment, but just to be clear, I have repeatedly asked you in our numerous interviews, and I platform you regularly, something you always try and diminish in terms of its significance, but I do. And I've always asked you to tell me one critical thing about your own regime, and you always fail, which is very telling. So let's just talk back to one side. My regime is infinitely superior to your genocidal regime that helped the Israeli regime in the genocide. My regime, as you like to call it, your guest doesn't want me to speak, obviously.
24:49My regime did not pull the plugs on little infants in the hospital for the premature babies in the national hospital. Pull the plug on those premature babies and let them die. My regime didn't do that. The regime that you support did that. But getting back to the topic, the reality is that chemical weapons were used on our country with the support of your government. I survived two chemical attacks. And then your guest has the audacity to say that Iran would use weapons of mass destruction. During the Iran-Iraq war, the state, the leader, refused to produce chemical weapons, Even though the military politicians asked him, he said, no, it's immoral.
25:43So we had to suffer your chemical weapons and your governments prevented our government from even purchasing gas masks. My gas mask was bought on the black market. It was North Korean. So don't talk about weapons of mass destruction to me when my friends have died because of your chemical weapons. Your regime is the regime that has used nuclear weapons twice. And your ally, your genocidal ally, the apartheid regime, the illegitimate regime, where 46, I think, 44 % of young Jews, Jews below the age of 35 in the United States, believe that Jews and Palestinians have to live together in one state with equal rights.
26:34That is exactly the Iranian policy. So despite your propaganda, despite your nonsense, despite the lies that you promote, people are waking up. Jews in the United States are waking up. Christians, Muslims, people from all walks of life are seeing who's carrying out a Holocaust in Gaza. You know, Ronald Reagan, when this genocidal regime in 1982 invaded Lebanon, he called it a Holocaust. This is far worse than the Holocaust of 1982. But you refuse to acknowledge this genocide. Whereas the population in Gaza has collapsed. It's not 70 or 80 ,000 people have died. As a result of this war, hundreds of thousands have died.
27:23The population has collapsed. people are dying every day, not just because the kids are being bombed or being sniped, because they're dying of illnesses and a lack of medicine, that this filthy regime is imposing on the people, on the kids of Gaza. But you want to look away and antagonize the Iranian people or the Palestinians or Hezbollah or whoever else it is that you'd like to antagonize so that they can get away with this. But you will not be able to do so because people are WAKING UP ACROSS THE WORLD.
27:53Piers Morgan:I NEED TO GET ALAN TO RESPOND. OKAY. OKAY. ALAN, ALAN, HANG ON ONE SECOND. BEFORE YOU GIVE A RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU JUST HEARD, I JUST WANT TO STRESS AGAIN THAT ISRAEL HAS NEVER BEEN MORE UNPOPULAR GLOBALLY AND NOT LEAST IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE 50 % NEARLY OF AMERICANS SAID THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE NETANYAHU ARRESTED FOR WAR CRIMES WHERE TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICANS HAVE A NEGATIVE VIEW of Israel. You know, my view of this is that Israel's current government is populated with people like Ben Gavir and Smodgett, these other guys, who are complete psychopaths, and that the activities that they are promoting in, for example, the West Bank at the moment, and so on, are making Israel a global pariah.
28:40Piers Morgan:Does that not concern you? Of course it does. And I'm not at all a supporter of Ben Gavir. I'm not a supporter Smetridge. I am a supporter of the nation state of the Jewish people. I am a proud Zionist. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. Israel is the only non-colonialist state in the Middle East. All the other states were established by colonialist regimes after the First World War. Israel fought against colonialism and self-determination. I am not here to support everything Israel does. I wouldn't vote for Ben Gavir. I wouldn't vote for Smetrich. I have to tell you that if in 1935, Winston Churchill had been the prime minister of England, and he had gone into Germany and attacked them, he would be the most unpopular person in the world.
29:29It's very unpopular to engage in preventive wars, because you don't know what you're preventing. History is blind and deaf to the future. You only know what you're doing now. And so it takes enormous courage, courage of the kind that not only Winston Churchill had, that Benjamin Netanyahu has had, that Ronald Reagan has had, that George Washington had back in the day. It takes tremendous courage to get involved in a war that is unpopular. The Revolutionary War was unpopular with many, many parts of the United States. It was the right war, the Second World War. Nobody wanted to get into it on the basis from the United States.
30:05Lindbergh was against it. The polls were showing against it. It took enormous courage to take on Adolf Hitler. And, you know, I hate to say this, but I think I'm in 1935 and I'm sitting opposite Joseph Goebbels right now. And he's making the propaganda case for the Nazi regime just the way this professor is making the propaganda case for the new Nazi regime, which is the regime of Iran. Will you at least admit, sir, will you at least admit that Iran murdered in cold blood as many as 50 ,000 innocent protesters? And would you admit, if that's true, that that comes closer to genocide than anything that Israel has been accused of doing in self-defense after its people were raped, kidnapped, murdered on October 7th?
30:55Would you at least admit that the Iranian regime has killed many, many, many thousands of people? yes or no you know we are not in 1935 but we're not in 1939 we are in 1942 you are the nazi regime that is carrying out a holocaust in gaza you are the nazi who is doing it as we speak you're the evil monster you say israel is not a colonial regime you are you're you're from Eastern Europe. You're European. All of those Ashkenazi Jews who are now running the country, they're from Eastern Europe. You came and slaughtered. I'm talking. I didn't interrupt you as you were ranting. The people who you support, the people who are running the country, they're Polish.
31:47They're Ukrainian. They're from Czechoslovakia. They're from Eastern Europe. You're not anti-Semite. You're anti-Semite because you've been slaughtered. You won't let me talk. You are afraid. You're afraid because you know you have no argument. You have no leg to stand on. You slaughtered the semi-Palestinians and you took their land and you support. You are a proud Zionist who supports a regime that celebrates the rapists in prison. They rape Palestinians in prison and then they're celebrated on television. If you don't let me talk, you're just exposing yourself. You're exposing yourself. You're exposing yourself just as you exposed yourself with Epstein.
32:33I'm Yisrael. So in response to your nonsense, the nonsense about 50 ,000 people, those lies have been responded to by the Iranian people. Stop ranting. I'm speaking. You're a lawyer. You're a lawyer. 3 ,117 people died thanks to an armed insurgency that your regime and the Israeli regime funded and supported. And you, you're a coward. You are a coward. You won't let me talk. You're afraid. You're afraid of me talking. Don't tell me I'm afraid. The lawyer, lawyer, Epstein's lawyer, Trump's lawyer is afraid of me a layman talking. Why? Because you have no leg to stand on. The Iranian people have spoken.
33:23They went to the streets in the tens of millions. You're a coward. You won't let me talk. I let you talk because I'm not afraid of you. People are not afraid of you anymore. You can kill Epstein. You can kill whoever you like, but we're not afraid. You can bomb my house. You can kill me with my family, but I'm not afraid of you. I will support the Palestinian people until your regime bombs my home. So go and tell them that. I am prepared to die for the Palestinian people. But you, you who used to frequent Epstein Island, you have no principles and no morality. The Iranian people came to the streets in the tens of millions.
34:11We all know it. The footage is there. The international journalists were there, not just in Iran, but in Iraq. The Iranian people have spoken whose side they are. No one is going to be fooled by your... Alan responds. ...and it's a justify war. Well, let's get this lawsuit straight. Okay, Alan Doshwitz. How many times do you think I was at Jeffrey Epstein's Island? How many times? Say it again so we can get it on tape. How many times? One time is more than enough, but I think you've been there five, six times. Just saying multiple times. How many times do you think I was there? I think you were there five, six times.
34:47Say it again. Five, six times? Something like that, yeah. I was his lawyer, just the way I was the lawyer for Palestinians. What a naive lawyer. Don't interrupt me. I was the lawyer for Palestinian students who tried to hang the flag when Yasser Arafat died. I was the lawyer for Nazis in Skokie, Illinois. I helped represent them. I would even represent you if anybody tried to prevent you. I don't need you. I'm a lawyer. I don't need you. lawyer does, and that's what lawyers should be proud of. And then I'm going to continue to represent people you don't like as long as I have the current strength to do it.
35:27And you can cite that as an argument against Israel, but it has nothing to do with Israel. It's just an ad hominem attack on me as a lawyer and on the American legal system. You wouldn't understand the American legal system because you don't have a good deal. You yourself said you regret being his lawyer, So don't talk nonsense. Say it again. You yourself admitted that you regret being his lawyer. So don't talk nonsense to me. I don't regret being his lawyer. I'm proud to have been President Clinton's lawyer. I'm proud to have been Ted Kennedy's lawyer. I'm proud to have been the lawyer for hundreds of indigent people who didn't have enough money to have a lawyer.
36:09and I would be happy to go to Iran and represent the people who can't get lawyers there who were executed yesterday because they went to demonstrations. You have to say what you're saying. The two people, the two people who were executed yesterday, and I've tweeted the footage, the two people, I'm glad you said this. You are so naive. You're not a good lawyer. I tweeted this yesterday, and I will retweet it after this debate. The two people who were executed yesterday. They burned four police officers alive and stabbed them. They were executed because of murdering four police officers. So I will retweet that today.
36:53But that's, and that, by the way, what happened during that arm, don't be afraid. Let me explain. Don't be afraid of people listening. You are the one from the civilized world. You are the proud Zionists, the ethno-supremacists that we should all be listening to. So don't worry about what, don't worry if people hear what I say. You, your own Israeli regime, the regime that you love so much, itself admitted that they were behind the armed insurgency. Channel 14 of the Israeli regime, which is close to Netanyahu itself said, and I tweeted this, and others have too, that the Israeli regime, they helped send in, along with Americans, they helped send in the weapons that killed hundreds of police officers during those two days of armed insurgency.
37:48Your own regime admits it. Your own regime admits it. I hope that's true. I would like to see the United States and Israel together topple the Iranian regime and replace it by a democratic regime where all people can vote and all people have free speech. I would be happy to participate in any such attempt to try to topple this Nazi regime. That's what would have happened in 1935 if they had done the right thing. We have a chance now to have peace in the world by toppling the Iranian regime. It won't happen overnight. It won't happen quickly. But ultimately, the good people of Iran, the good people of Iran will rise up against their evil leaders who kill them in the street and will give them, ultimately, for the first time, real democracy.
38:37That's what we want. So says the genocide supporter. The genocide supporter who's supporting an ongoing genocide where every day Palestinians are dying, every single day as we speak. And Western media won't tell anyone about it because it's controlled by the same sort of people who you are aligned to. Those kids who are dying of disease every day, those parents who are dying every day because of a lack of proper food and medicine, you are responsible. And all those Western journalists who've been trying to distract public opinion away from it, the only guilt of the Iranian people, The only guilt of the Iranian people and Hezbollah and Yemen is that they say no to genocide.
39:23That has been the guilt for 47 years. For decades, your regime has been supporting the apartheid and genocidal regime of Israel and supporting the most brutal regimes across the world in Latin America and Africa, in our region and in Asia. But the only time your hostility is towards Iran because Iran says no to ethnosupremacism, just like 46 % of young Jews in the United States. Iran says no to genocide, no to ethnic cleansing, no to colonization, and that Palestine must be a land where Jews and Christians and Muslims live as equal human beings. Your regime, your Israeli regime, because you're not loyal to the United States, you're loyal to the Israeli regime, to the genocidal regime.
40:17Your regime bombed it during this war. Your regime bombed the synagogue. Your regime bombed the synagogue in Tehran. Why? Because that synagogue was not a Zionist synagogue. You hate Jews. You hate Jews that are not Zionists. You are an anti-Semite because you kill Palestinians and you're from Eastern Europe. You have no right to slaughter and rape and murder Palestinians. All right, let me bring Alan back in here.
40:48Piers Morgan:All right, let me bring Alan back in. Alan, let's just talk about the politics of this, because you mentioned earlier This could take five years. It could take longer. But there's a political relevancy to this, which is if Donald Trump was to lose the House and the Senate in the midterm elections, then he becomes a lame duck president and would then be highly likely to precipitate a loss in the general election for the Republicans. And the moment the Democrats get back into power, they're going to get out of this. So this could all be over regardless of whatever you would like or Donald Trump would like or Netanyahu would like.
41:26Piers Morgan:This could all be over within the next, you know, just two and a bit years because of the politics of this in America. That's right, because we have a democracy and we vote for what we want. Iran, on the other hand, which in which only Muslims have rights, in which there's no free speech. there hasn't been an election for almost forever, they don't have those rights. Yes, we can overthrow our government. Yes, the Democrats maybe will take control of the House and the Senate. That's a risk. That's what happened in Great Britain after Churchill won the Second World War with the United States. He got thrown out of power.
42:05Voters are fickle, But principled politicians, Churchillian politicians, do the right thing regardless of what the political implications are. And the right thing is to continue to make sure that Iran doesn't pose a nuclear danger to the world. Now, I want to pursue a little bit more of what our distinguished professor here said. He said Jews control the media. Jews control the media. And he started making other kinds of arguments. You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a lawyer, but you're a liar. You're a lawyer, but you openly lie. People are watching. Jews, 46, 44 % of young Jews in the United States under the age of 35, they don't believe your nonsense anymore.
42:54No one believes you. You bombed the Jewish synagogue in Tehran. You're the enemy of you. You are the... I never said you say that. The audience can judge for themselves in fact when you say you've got no freedom of speech your host i've invited him to come to iran on multiple occasions to see if there is free speech when i tell him to read the book going to tehran he gets angry because it does it goes against his narrative but you say supremacist regime and you speak of free speech your country is run run by oligarchs you think that the people of the United States have free speech when they lose their jobs, when on campus they can't talk out against the Israeli regime and the brutality of the regime?
43:42Don't talk nonsense. People lose their jobs in your country. Their futures are destroyed when they speak truth to power.
43:51Piers Morgan:But let me ask you, Professor Miranda, let me ask you, look, I presume there's one thing you would both agree on, which you would like this war to be over sooner rather than later, correct? We would like justice. We would like that. We would like what would end all wars in this region is one thing. That the land of Palestine be a land where Jews, Christians and Muslims live as equal human beings. That's something that your other guests would never support and never accept. And that's why. Well, let me ask you. We have the genocide. Let me ask you. And it's been going on for decades. It's been going on for decades.
44:29Piers Morgan:Well, you said he wouldn't accept it. Let me ask him. Alan, would you accept that? Of course I accept it completely. I accept completely people in every part of the world living as equals without regard to their religion. You would accept that all Palestinians living within the West Bank and Gaza. Listen, no, answer my question. All the Palestinians, including those living in the West Bank and Gaza, they would have equal rights to those Israelis you brought in from Europe and across the world. They would have equal rights. You accept that. Let me be very clear. The vast majority of Israelis come from Arabic backgrounds, North Africa, Muslim backgrounds, Arab backgrounds.
45:16That's not Palestine. That's not Palestine.
45:21Morocco is not Palestine. Kurdish, Iraq is not Palestine. Israelis are of Oriental background. They're Mizrahim, not Ashkenazim, number one. You are Ashkenazi. You and those running the country are mostly Ashkenazi, and the Mishrappese Jews are not Palestinian, and they're not Semites. Of course I believe in complete equality for everybody. Now I want to ask you the question. Do you think you're wrong? In the West, thank God. In the West, so you say, no, no, no, don't run away from the answer. You say that the Palestinian, you answer the question. You say that the Israeli regime should dismantle the system that now exists and that all Palestinians in the land of Gaza and in the West Bank should have the right of vote and should have citizenship to this land and they cannot be removed from their homes.
46:23You say that, right? You accept that, right? Of course. I think that they should be citizens of an independent state in Gaza, an independent state in Gaza. No, no, no, no. I didn't say that. I did not say that. Don't change. Don't change. No, no. Do you accept that the people in Gaza are refugees from Palestine? Answer the question. Answer the question. The people in Gaza are refugees from Palestine. They are not from Gaza. Gaza was a village 50, 60, 70 years ago. The people in the West Bank, many of them are not from the West Bank. Many people in Jordan, they're not from Jordan or Lebanon or in Syria or in Egypt.
47:05The Palestinian population that has been expelled from their homes, that have been kicked out of their homes and have been decimated for decades. You believe that within Palestine, what is now today called Israel, plus the West Bank in Gaza, that they should have equal rights and citizenship. Let's remember how it started. 1947, the UN partition was— Just say yes or no. No, no, no. Answer the question. We don't know how it started. The people who run Israel came from Europe. We know where they came from. They came from Eastern Europe for the most part. Many came from Russia. We know that. They don't—they're not Semites.
47:43I'm asking you a simple question. Just say, should the Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank, and the Palestinians who've been expelled from their homes, who are from that land, who aren't Semites, should they have equal rights and citizenship? This is a simple question. And also the show has asked you the question, and you try to shift the question. Well, let him answer. Let him answer. In 1947. No, he didn't answer. In 1847, the nations divided what was then a place called Palestine, named by the Romans, into two areas. One where there were a majority of Jews, and that could be a Jewish state, and the other, which was much larger with the arable land, which could be a Palestinian state.
48:28Palestinians would have had a completely free state on the West Bank and in the Gaza, and the Palestinian leadership, led by a Nazi named Husseini, turned it down and refused and attacked Israel in a genocidal war against Israel. That's what caused people to leave their homes and abandon their villages. Ben-Gurion wanted to welcome them all, kept them there, let them have a two-state solution. Israel said yes. The Palestinians said no. That was the origin of the conflict. And we can't go back in time now. Obviously, things have changed. But I want complete equality for everybody. I want every— May I just— May I just— Because as a lawyer, let me just tell you one thing.
49:09Let me finish. It's only for your own sake. It's not for the sake of argument. What you are saying, the argument that you're making, these fairy tales worked before October the 7th. They worked because the West had the propaganda machine, they had the centers of knowledge. They worked. And most people did not know the truth. So they worked. But the mistake that you made was that after October the 7th and the South African complaint to the ICJ, after October the 7th, in the complaint that the South African government put to the ICJ, in the South, in that complaint, they showed the genocidal intent of your regime, your Israeli regime.
50:01and after that we saw it carry out that and gradually as time well anyone can read it online i advise all the viewers to use the search engine to go and look at the south african complaints to the icj after that okay people can read it it's just quotes it's just quoting your prime minister you know what quoting your you know president and and then people saw the genocide I'm calling a timeout now. He was carried out all live on television for the world.
50:33Piers Morgan:Just to be clear, I think it's probably pretty clear to viewers now why negotiations took 21 hours and why the war is still raging. But I appreciate you both agreeing to debate with each other. Iran did not attack the United States. Iran did not pierce. Iran did not attack the United States. And the United States is sacrificing the world for this ethnosupremacist regime. It has killed so many Americans. All I can say is good luck. All I can say is good luck to the negotiating teams who are trying to bring this war to an end because even trying to bring this debate to an end is proving completely impossible.
51:12Piers Morgan:I appreciate you both. Professor Morandi, Alan Dershowitz, I've got to leave you there. I thank you both very much for your time. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Piers Morgan on Sensor is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.
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Vice President JD Vance spent 21 gruelling hours negotiating with Iranian officials in a high-stakes attempt to end the ongoing Iran War. The result? A Memorandum of Understanding so vague that both sides walked away claiming victory, yet agreeing to nothing.
As the world watches, both nations remain locked in a stalemate with rigid "bright red lines." The U.S. demands a guarantee against nuclear weapons and a permanently open Hormuz Strait, while Iran is calling for total sanctions relief, war reparations, and continued control over its nuclear assets.
Joining Piers Morgan to navigate this diplomatic minefield is Doron Spielman, the newly appointed international spokesman for Benjamin Netanyahu as well as Professor Mohammed Marandi and lawyer Alan Dershowitz.
Uncensored tackles the tough questions: Can this administration steer us away from a war that is draining U.S. munitions, inflating global gas prices, and shattering crucial alliances? Is peace even possible, or are we witnessing the inevitable escalation of a conflict that no one can control?
00:00 Introduction
01:30 Doron Spielman interview begins
02:17 Netanyahu’s visit to the U.S. and calls for his arrest
04:05 American-Israeli war aims in Iran and victory against the ‘evil’ regime
10:27 Where and when does victory come?
13:03 Piers asks Doron about the potential to get Benjamin Netanyahu on Uncensored
13:43 Professor Marandi and Alan Dershowitz join Piers to debate the state of the Iran war
19:04 Are the chances of Iran developing a nuclear weapon exactly the same as before the war?
22:05 Marandi slams Dershowitz as ‘Epstein’s buddy’
24:46 Professor Marandi defends the Iranian regime against the Israeli regime
28:06 Israel’s declining popularity around the world
31:10 Marandi to Dershowitz: ‘We are in 1942 and you are the Nazi regime!’
41:41 Alan Dershowitz’s rebuttal to Professor Marandi
44:47 Do all Palestinians in Gaza have equal rights as the Israelis?
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