“You’re UNHINGED!” Tommy Robinson Unite The Kingdom Rally ENRAGES Piers Morgan Panel

20:42What we need in this country is a reversal of mass migration, and we need British culture, including our Christian constitutional and cultural roots, to be put first and foremost and at the heart of our cultural settlement. This is where this country... My father, he's not really religious. He's drunk all his life as a Muslim.

21:03Piers Morgan:He's a Muslim. Your father's a Pakistani Muslim, but you want people to be homegrown Christians. I didn't say homegrown Christians. I didn't say homegrown. You did say homegrown, by the way. How do you guys not see that modern Muslims are not assimilating Britain? How do you not see that? Hang on, hang on. Play it back. No, no, just to be clear, technically we can't play it back while we're filming the show. However, we will be posting the clip afterwards. I'll give you one last chance, Ben Habib, to admit that you used the phrase homegrown. If I used it, I did not use it in the sense that you have to be born and bred of ancestral British lines.

21:43If I used it, I used it in a cultural context to emphasise the point that we need a settlement in this country. Can I just say one last thing? The government of this country defines cultural nationalism as being far right. You can go to the government website. It defines cultural nationalism as being far right. In order to have a society, in order to have a nation, you need a common culture. And in order to believe in... If we believe in our common culture, a British culture, we are now defined as far right.

22:12Piers Morgan:You're the son of a Pakistani Muslim, for God's sake. If you... I... What are you talking about, man? My mother is white, English. So she's OK? No. But your dad isn't? And I'm OK. and anyone who loves this country... What does your dad say about this claptrap? He's absolutely with me. Really? As are many, many... He thinks all Pakistani Muslims should be sent home? I never said that, Piers. You're talking nonsense. You said we should have homegrown people at this country. I'm afraid you've hijacked the whole debate. I'm afraid you did. You wish to racialise it. Oh, my God, man! You're the one that used the phrase homegrown.

22:47I am talking about cultural homogeneity, assimilation of foreign cultures into this country, if they wish to come here. Otherwise, if you don't buy into what it means to be British, you don't like what it means to be British, you don't like Christianity, leave the country. It's fine. But this is what's been said for, you know, going on a century now. This is what they said to the Italians who first came here in the 20s. This is what they then said to the Windrush generation who came here in the 60s and built the entire underground network in London. I just said, what? That's not true. What do you mean?

23:21They built Britain. They were temporary labourers. They did not build Britain. That's an old trope that's got to go. Look, you morons, you think we're racist. They did build it. He's blend bin beautifully with Britain. Hindus assimilate beautifully. Every other culture assimilates beautifully. But modern Islam is not assimilated. He just said that the Hindus got into a row over cricket. And Luton is a perfect example of that. You elites don't go to these countries. And May 16th is anti-you. What do you mean by elite, by the way? What do you mean by elite? May 16th is anti-peers. Who's elite here?

23:48I mean you. If you don't think that Britain has a Muslim problem today, You're an elite and you don't travel and you don't know working class people and you've never been to London town. You've no idea who I hang out with. You've never been to Waddle. Go there, use your eyeballs.

24:02Piers Morgan:You haven't got a clue what I do or who I see, have you? You're just spouting nonsense. You haven't been. You have not been to Luton if you think it exists today. It is a fifth post. It is a Muslim city. It is over. It's gone. It's been written off. It's a Muslim outpost a Muslim outpost Wow You can't arrest a Muslim there or they'll take over the police

24:41Was at the unite the right rally to I'm British you morons you're British Yes Why are you occupying America? What's your citizenship? British, American, Canadian. You can't be three. You have to be dual national. That's also a myth, you dumb bitch. You don't have three passports. Whoa, what did you call her? Yes, you can. What did you call her? Of course you can. I called her a dumb bitch. Can you apologise, please? Sorry, that was a bad word. Thank you. I appreciate that.

25:12Piers Morgan:Yeah, it is actually. Why would you do that? I got mad. I use a swear word You just use a disgusting phrase to a woman What? Have you not been in an argument before? You use swear words in an argument We're going to dwell on this like you dwelled on Homegrown and ignored what's really going on here I tend to pick up on things I think what people say particularly when they get angry can be very enlightening I've got to wash this back because I did not use it in any context I'll bet you your entire net worth you use that phrase You going to take the bet? You going to take the bet? Oh, my God, stop.

25:48Piers Morgan:Yes or no? Not in a racial sense. Oh, it absolutely was in a racial context. It was in a cultural sense. Oh, no, no. It was in a cultural sense. I'm brown. I'm brown. Turkeys don't vote for Christians. Oh, no, we found out what you are, which made it all the more baffling why you would use phrases like that. It's perfectly clear what I am. Are you calling a Pakistani a racist to Pakistanis? Yeah. And this is the point about the United Kingdom march. Everyone wants to class the United Kingdom march as racist. Actually... I haven't said that. People do say it. They say racist. I haven't said that.

26:17People do say it. You call it Tommy, you're on the center, racist. They say it's far-right, it's racist, it's a bunch of white people who just want to deport everyone. It's rubbish. I spoke at the 13th of September. There were lots of different ethnicities present, but they had one thing in common. They love this country, they love its history, OK, we've now got the clip. Let's play it. Yeah. What we've got in the United Kingdom is lots of different cultures imported into this country, not homegrown, The cultures are not homegrown. The cultures are not homegrown. That's the point. The cultures are not homegrown.

26:52I did not use it in a racist sense. You assured me you didn't use it at all. Yeah, but you've taken... The cultures were... Go and play the clip again. The cultures were not homegrown. Play it again. I did the same. Play it again. People calling a brown guy racist. That's what Britain is becoming.

27:08Piers Morgan:Let me go to Andrew. Let me go to Andrew Wilson. Andrew. He is actually correct here, Piers. He said the cultures are not homegrown. So he's saying that these are foreign cultures which are coming in. That's literally the context of that clip. Right. But his own father is a Pakistani Muslim. So his culture is not homegrown. So my point is he's a flaming hypocrite. And he doesn't want his dad deported, obviously. That's not his culture. Because it's his dad. But that's not his culture. He just wants other Pakistani Muslims. I've never advocated for mass deportations of people who belong in this country, who buy into this country, love this country, are prepared to die for this country.

27:48I've got no issue with people like that. The people I've got property with who bring antithetical ideologies to this country and cause us, wish us harm, wish our wives, our daughters harm, and wish to set us aside. I've got a real issue with that. And what cultures are they? They're cultures, they are muscular. Name one. Well, let me tell you, It's far more nuanced than you might like to think because you want to have a head-on, absolute head-butting exercise. Well, just name one. But if you take lots of people in, for example... Name one. From where? If you take lots of people in from places like the depths of Punjab, the depths of Sawat, the depths of Kashmir, and who haven't had a...

28:33So, Pakistan. They haven't had a brush. So, from where your father came from?

28:36Piers Morgan:They haven't had a brush. My father is an educated man. He got a PhD at King's College in London. So which part of Pakistan is he from? He's from Punjab, but he was educated. So the depths of Punjab. But if you go to the depths of Punjab... Is he from the depths of Punjab? If you import barbarians who are not even... From the barbarians of the depths of Punjab, where your own father comes from. You're determined to overspeak me and not let me finish my point. If you import barbarians... From the depths of Punjab. who are not even welcome in polite Pakistani society. If you welcome them into British society and you put a protective blanket round them like we have with progressive discrimination, you are going to damage this country, and that is what we have done.

29:23Piers Morgan:But there is something utterly ridiculous about you taking this strong, printable stand against people coming from the depths of Punjab and being barbarians, when your own father comes from Punjab. Don't assimilate. His father assimilated. How do you know his father assimilated? We're talking about assimilation. You don't know his father. Modern Islam is not assimilating in Britain. It's incongruous. In fact, it's in the business plan. It's in the Quran. It says don't assimilate. Actually, I'll bring Ashok in here. My understanding is that the vast majority of the 5 million Muslims in our country do assimilate quite happily.

29:58Piers Morgan:And there are some who don't. And there are some, by the way, from every other form of immigrants in our country. Do you agree that assimilation is important? Do you agree that assimilation is important? I think it would be nice if everybody assimilated, yes. I would like everyone to get on. We're not. We're not assimilating. You're not going to get to assimilation by branding people who come from where your father comes from a bunch of barbarians. The ones that we are importing... Language you use is important. No, it is, and I'm using it advisedly, because we are taking people who are barbarians into this country.

30:30But Ben, I don't know that your dad's not a barbarian, and the people who are going on that Unite the Kingdom... I want to interview your father.

30:36Piers Morgan:I want to interview your father, see which depth of Punjab he came from, and whether he's Barbaro. Also, Andrew and Gavin are advocating for not separating, making a difference. They're saying, deport all the Muslims. So there's a distinction here. And they're saying, oh, actually, a majority of Britain wants that. There's no evidence of that. We've just had an election. And Vani represents probably the most right-wing party in the country. And he's not. Hang on, let me respond. So there isn't actually any support for what they're advocating. There's no democratic mandate to deport Ben's father, even though Ben insists he doesn't want him to be deported.

31:12Andrew and Gavin have just said they want Ben's father to be deported. Andrew, do you think that Ben's father should be deported in the way you suggested when you first spoke? Gavin, should he? Obviously not. We're talking about assimilation. You said all the Muslims should be deported. When Pakistanis first started coming to Britain, it was working out. But something changed in the past 10 years. I don't know, maybe because they got more than 10 % in certain neighbourhoods, and now it is not working. And I don't get how you can't recognise that. That's why Unite the Right had 3 million people.

31:43That's why May 16th... They didn't have 3 million people. They had 150 ,000 maximum...

31:49Piers Morgan:They had 150 ,000 maximum people there. Well, you're there, Piers. I know. Well, let me tell you. Look at the helicopter. That's why Tom got a helicopter, by the way. I can tell you the biggest march... I can tell you the biggest march in this country's history was in 2003. It was the march against the Iraq war. I know about it because I was leading the campaign against the Iraq war and most of them were carrying Daily Mirror, the paper I ran, placards saying no war. And it was the biggest march and it was dwarfed. It was Tommy's march and the elites lie and the media rise. It is complete bullshit.

32:22Piers Morgan:You again have believed Tommy Robinson who says 3 million people get to his march. It is bullshit. Utter bullshit. I tell you, it's equally bullshit to say it was 150 ,000. OK, let me just make my point. Hang on one sec. Hang on one sec. I want to make a point wider about the rally, though. I think people in this country are perfectly entitled to demonstrate peacefully. I think there's nothing intrinsically wrong with people attending the Tommy Robinson March if they wish to do that. Most of them do so completely peacefully. Why'd you tell Glenn Beck not to go? Hang on, I haven't finished speaking yet.

32:54Piers Morgan:Most of them do so peacefully. That's fine with me. Right? If you want to lasso your horse next to Tommy Robinson, absolutely fine with me. But be very cognizant of the kind of person he really is, not the ridiculous caricature he presents of himself in the United States, which is causing this country's reputation a lot of harm, because you're all falling for it. I can tell you, if you walk through London, any part of London, you're not getting a sense of it being overrun by anybody. London is a great, vibrant city. Are you mad? It's not British. You're not here. It's not British anymore. London's gone.

33:27Piers Morgan:Where do you live? Where do you live? I live in New York City. I was just in London. I was in New York City. I go there all the time. I love New York City. New York City's crime... New York City's crime... You know what London feels like? Your crime rate is immeasurably worse than London's. Everyone is tangentially related to the town. No one's British there anymore. Your crime rate in New York is immeasurably... You have immeasurably more serious crime in New York than we do in London. Why is that? If we're being overrun. Well, I don't think you want to go near that third rail, but it has to do with race.

34:01Piers Morgan:In New York? Yes. Ah, well, do explain. Well, we have a larger, we have a major crime problem in this country and in New York City because blacks and browns are on welfare and they're addicted to crack and they have guns because we have a socialist Muslim mayor who's letting them do whatever they want. It's sort of like London, but you guys have knives, we have guns. Guns kill more people. And when Mamdani allows them to do whatever they want and lets them out on bail... Mamdani's been in charge for a few months. We have total anarchy. New York, last time I checked, has had a more... Mamdani has been mayor for a few months, right?

34:43Piers Morgan:New York City has had a far higher serious crime rate than London throughout my entire adult life. What are you talking about? And you've had white mayors and Christian mayors. No, we've had socialist mayors. We've had one right-wing mayor, Giuliani, and that's when there was no crime in New York. Of course there was crime in New York. What are you talking about? Affirmative action socialism. Of course there was crime in New York under Giuliani. No, Giuliani, our annual murder rate went from 2 ,000 to 300 with Giuliani. Thousands of lives were saved. That sounds like a crime rate to me. Because we got a right-wing person.

35:20Under David Dinkins in 92, it was brutal, and we're getting back there now. But we have a socialism problem in New York City, and you guys have a socialism and a Muslim problem. And now we're experiencing both.

35:33Piers Morgan:The point I was going to make about the Unite the Kingdom march, let me bring Andrew back in here. I don't pretend for a moment that we have not had a poor record in controlling immigration to this country this century, right? We have had two problems. One, we've had the issue of small boats coming over the channel from France, which has been completely uncontrolled. And we've had between 40 ,000 and 60 ,000 people a year coming in illegally. And once they get here, it's almost impossible to send them anywhere else. And so they've been put up in hotels at expense to the taxpayer. It's caused a lot of social anger and unrest.

36:08Piers Morgan:And it should have been tackled years ago. We've also had a massive issue with legal migration, where under Tony Blair, a Labour Prime Minister, but also then fuelled by successive Conservative Prime Ministers, we have allowed too many people to come into the country legally. with too many dependents. I don't think these things are contestable. They're just a reality of what we've done in this country. But the narrative that we are being overrun by Muslims is untrue. And that is also, I think, a demonstrable fact in this country. And I'm just concerned that the problem with Robinson is that he spews all this stuff all the time.

36:45Piers Morgan:If you look at his social media feed, the only crimes he focuses on are crimes perpetrated by Muslims. And yet the vast majority... Hang on, Gavin. I'm talking to Andrew. And yet the vast majority of crime in the UK is committed by white people, including sexual crime, including race. You don't understand per capita? The vast majority of crime is done by white people. But you'll never believe that looking at Tommy Robinson's feed, because he only focuses on Muslim crime. Well, hang on. Hang on. When you say that there's various stats which are misleading, Gavin did ask a pertinent question. when you say that most crime is committed by white people well it should be that's the that's that's still the dominant racial element in england what about per capita meaning per proportion but my question hang on real quick i'm almost done okay is there a disproportionate amount of crime from these immigrants in comparison to the domestic population that's his question i think it's valid specifically child rape well actually actually the vast majority of child rape is perpetrated in the UK by white people.

37:54Not asking about that. Per capita. We're asking about that.

37:58Piers Morgan:OK, but why does Tommy Robinson, I don't know the per capita number, I'll get it while we're talking. 85 % of gang rapes in this country are perpetrated, of gang rapes, are perpetrated by South Asian men according to the Quilliam Report of 2017. Well, actually, they were British Pakistani men, to be specific, in parts of the north of England, right? Shmir, which was, yeah, Pakistan. Yeah, from Mirpool. That's what the rallies have been on May 16th. But my point, Andrew, is... It's the per capita rally. My point to Andrew is, is it helpful that Tommy Robinson only fuels the narrative that all the crimes have been committed by Muslims when they're not?

38:35I'm not convinced that that's actually accurate. So it seems... I've watched a few of the Robinson debates, and he tends to focus on disproportionate crime rates, what Gavin's talking about here, which is per capita. He's saying that disproportionate to the domestic population that's here, these people are overwhelmingly committing these types of sex crimes. That doesn't sound to me like he's trying to pin everything on Muslims, but rather point out an individualistic and precise problem. So we have the, okay, we have the data for you.

39:04Piers Morgan:The arrest rates by ethnicity per 1 ,000 people for the year ending March 2025. Black, 19 arrests per 1 ,000 people. White, 10 arrests per 1 ,000 people. Asian, nine arrests per thousand people. Yeah, now do child rape. That's not actually answering the question. Okay, now you want to narrow it down again and again and again. Okay, you asked me to give you the pro-rata numbers. You're mad at the guy who's trying to stop child rape. Sorry? You're mad at the guy who's trying to stop child rape. No, I'm not. Thousands of girls are getting raped. They nailed a girl's tongue to a piece of wood as they raped her.

39:44They raped her under the Pakistani flag.

39:46Piers Morgan:They are Brandy Girls M for Muhammad. Gavin, Gavin, Gavin, Gavin, I have repeatedly said that where I agree with Tommy Robinson has been on his relentless campaigning against the grooming rape gangs in the north of England. That's all he cares about. Hang on, no, no, it's not all he cares about. If only it was all he cares about, but it's not. But the point is, he claims he was the only one who ever exposed this, that the journalists of this country never exposed it, and yet it was exposed originally by a journalist from the Times newspaper. It was a literal journalist who blew the lid off that whole scandal.

40:24Piers Morgan:Tommy Robinson has been right to focus on the cover-ups, which were scandalous and outrageous. And I completely agree with him, as I would say to his face, as I've told him on social media. You know why? Because you would rather let little girls get raped than be known as racist. All you care about is your status. Why would you say such a ridiculous thing? Racist is the worst thing you can be. So you allow girls to get raped. Why would you say such a stupid thing? It's demonic is what it is. I'm calling you guys demons. Really? You sound completely unhinged, ironically. That's what May 16th is about.

40:58You sound unhinged. So they make up 4 % of the population, but make up 18 % of all the people jailed, Pierce? What? Am I reading that right? Is that correct? I just want to make sure that I got this right. You said you're going to get these per capita numbers, and I want them. Like, what are they? What are the per capita numbers? Because what I'm seeing is not looking very good, okay? It's not looking very good for your side. So what are they? What is the actual per capita numbers for these child sex crimes? I find it extraordinary. Why do you call someone racist when they point this out?

41:32Piers Morgan:I've literally just told you the arrest rates for ethnicity, and they speak for themselves. Well, no, it didn't. Well, they do. They literally speak for themselves. I'm not pretending Muslims don't commit crimes. So does every other ethnicity and religion. It's not like this splitting hairs. I do think if we're talking about child race... If that's not splitting hairs, we're splitting young girls in half. That's what we're splitting. Why would you say that? If you've been around people who have been a victim of child sexual abuse, hearing something like that is horrendous. I can tell you, any victim...

42:08You know what's horrendous? If they heard you speak like that, honestly, you would put them into a real panic. It's awful what you're saying. You know what? You just can't handle the truth. I can handle the truth. I actually live in the UK and I have for years been talking about the grooming gangs. I've been talking about Labour and what they did not do in certain councils. I've also spoken about people like Andy Burnham, who's the mayor of Manchester. When he was an MP, he was one of the first people to put in a proper inquiry and actually led to arrests of the people who perpetrated these heinous acts.

42:38Okay, so you're a Tommy Robinson supporter. I think that it's perfectly legitimate to raise issue and raise light on these horrendous crimes. Great. But I don't agree. I do not agree with all of the nonsense we were talking about before, about the Unite the Rally, and talking about him actually acting contempt, you know, carrying out contempt of court. But, you know, child sexual abuse, I just don't like the politicization that we're doing right now. Contempt of court was releasing a documentary about this, by the way. It really is horrendous. If you are a victim, you'll be knocked sideways by that.

43:09Ava, is there a particular ethnic group that you accept is majority responsible for the raping of underage women? Well, Ben, let me sit back a little bit and answer that question because I think that the lunacy of it to me is that any child sexual exploitation or abuse is heinous. And that's the starting block of where I start. But is there an ethnic connection to it? Can I finish? The one thing I would stress is the grooming gangs that did coagulate around Rochdale, around Manchester. I completely have investigated this and I've reported on this. There was not proper reporting of the perpetrators because there were, quote unquote, fears in the council that it would be perceived as racism.

43:54That's institutional. That's an issue at heart. That is actually. That's an issue at heart that we should tackle as a country. And I'm really glad, actually, for some of the very loud influencers online who have brought this to the forefront. That does not negate the white people in this country who carry out child sexual abuse every single day. You know, over 50 % happens in people's own homes. I get all of that, but you touched on a really important point. You said institutions turned a blind eye because of fear. They did turn a blind eye. That is institutionalised racism in this country against white people in favour of ethnic minorities.

44:27That is where this country has gone so wrong. Every single day, but for some reason, Ben, You can't stomach it to admit that actually there are a lot of white men carrying this out every single day. Absolutely. I agree with that. But there is no institutional protection of white criminals. There is institutional protection. There are white men getting off every single day for doing this. The police turned the blind eye. And that's what we should be fighting about. Together. You just said it yourself. Police turned the blind eye. Social services turned the blind eye. NHS turned the blind eye. And actually, I think it was either Gavin or Andrew said it earlier.

44:59We have a two-tier criminal justice system. We have a sentencing council. We have a sentencing council. You just want to hyper-focus on racism. Can I just say? You don't care about children. You don't care about the rape of young children. You don't care. You care about politicising things. No, I don't. You actually care about child abuse. Absolutely nonsense. You would talk about it as a homogenous issue and not simply about one race is doing this, one race is doing that. Muslims aren't a race. So how do I get in trouble for using the word bitch and she can say he doesn't care about child rape?

45:29Piers Morgan:isn't that worse you literally accused all of us of endorsing it that's why because you hid the fact you hid this he's not hiding it he's you're by hiding it you're endorsing it by hiding it you're allowing it to happen you become complicit now you're focused on white rapists because you don't understand per capita i'm not focused on white rapists i'm talking about the issue of people like you don't feel the working class had enough of your accent and the way you ignore things because they're not fashionable. Sorry. I'm sorry that recognizing grooming gangs is not fashionable. What? What are you talking about, man?

46:05Piers Morgan:I've just gone on about grooming gangs. I'm talking about you guys denying that we have a modern Islamic problem with child rape. That's what these rallies are about. You guys want to diffuse it and say, well, white males do it too, and let's ignore per capita. That's not what I said. You're paying it down. That's not what I said at all. That's just not what I said. You're focusing on white males. You're trying to dilute the equation. My point, which started all this, is if you read Tommy Robinson's X feed, for example, you will never see anything about white males committing crimes. Why? Because he's focused on a specific...

46:41Piers Morgan:Exactly. Exactly. Because he's focused on Muslims. And you're not. 24-7. Oh, I'm focused on everyone and all crimes. OK, can you play back your segments on the grooming games of Rotherham? I'm not telling millions of people every day that the only problem in this country is the Muslims taking over, because it's bullshit. Anyway, we've got to leave it there. Will you be watching the rally, Gavin, on the weekend? I'll be there with bells on, just like I was at the last one, with the other three million people. Right, yeah. Well, OK, why don't we count them when you're there? Because you'll find that you're two...

47:18Piers Morgan:Well, you can just look at the shots. You'll find your 2 ,850 ,000 short. No, no. These are the police figures from the march. 150 ,000 maximum. But don't tell me. Let's rely on the deep state. They lied. The police lied. Of course they would. Why would the police lie about a crowd number? Because the state hates Tommy Robinson. They've thrown him in jail 10 times for nothing. They threw him in jail for a series of crimes. He never did get those numbers. Go look up the crimes. I'm just pointing that out. We never did get those numbers, speaking of numbers. We did ask for them many times, but I never actually got the numbers to demonstrate whether or not there's disproportionate criminality from Muslims in the UK, especially when it comes to sex crimes.

48:02Piers Morgan:I will tell you this. I will get those numbers, and we will talk about this again. We will get all the pro rata numbers for all types of crime in this country. I look forward to you guys catching up to us. I look forward to you and your posh accents catching up to the rest of the world. Mate, no disrespect. but you live in America where I think, how many is it? Yes. 40? You know, white people are doing it too, you know. It's a general problem. It's all over the place. I don't like you vilifying my servants. It's so, it stresses them out. I actually think your accent is a crime. And on that note, I'm going to round off this debate.

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