Amadeus, The Revenge Club, and Imposter. With guest Martin Compston

26:07And who doesn't want to do that? So here is Martin talking to Jordan King. It is my absolute pleasure to welcome to the Pilot TV podcast, one of the stars of Paramount Plus' The Revenge Club, and one of the busiest men working in TV right now, Mr. Martin Compton. How are you today? I'm not too bad, pal. Thanks for having me. No, no worries at all. As someone that has been missing the restless natives for the last few months, it's good to hear your voice and see if it works. Thank you. I'm actually meeting Gordon tomorrow. We're planning possibly a wee catch-up bonus. That would be good. But I've been really enjoying The Revenge Club so far.

26:44I've seen four episodes. And I think one of the things that immediately grabbed me with it is this. you've got this very dark sort of strangers on a train meets horrible bosses kind of premise but it's also just really really fun like you get to the end of one and you want to crack straight on with another i just thought for yourself obviously you're very well known for doing a lot of thrillers dramas that kind of thing was part of the appeal of this getting to do something that's dark still but you get to have a little bit of fun with it 100 % mate getting to have a play you know when yeah comedy's not my forte not really what i'm known but again that's it's just opportunities that come your way you know i'm very grateful that i've sort of the work that's came away the last couple of years has kept me busy but yeah when you see that script and you you see the chance that you because i mean comedy can be quite a serious thing but when you see the cast that's coming aboard you know already knew doogie a bit sharon a bit i'm like i knew this is going to be a laugh um and the scripts were wonderful and i don't think you can quite pin it down for what it is because is it a comedy is it a drama is it a murder mystery and it's bits of all of that and I think I don't think there's anything quite like it on TV at the minute you know and as you say it's very very bingeable but I yeah I genuinely had a blast making it yeah and I mean it shows when you're watching it as well because obviously you're getting to work with this big cast of you know there's a lot of funny bones in the cast you just mentioned fellow countrymen Dougie Henschel and Sharon Rooney I did I did get a bit of a kick out of the fact that you're the only one out of the three of you getting to use your negative accent though.

28:15I know. I think I probably do better accents than I am but you know, that yeah, same with Sharon and also I mean, Mira Sayal is just, I mean, she's British comedy royalty, you know with that and Amy Sheeniel, it was just it was a great cast, it was the first time because usually I've been on shows where it'd be like line of duty and stuff and you've got a little tight knit group of sort of like two or three of you but it's the first time I felt like part of like an actor's troupe, you know, like a theatre actors gang because it was proper like six leads and then you throw Amit in there for the therapy scenes and it felt like it was all seveners in there in the trenches together and you know it can be long days but you're all in it together and it can get a bit like naughty kids you know it's it was genuinely some of the stuff especially Amit when he's playing Malcolm he's coming in in that gold suit and all that kind of stuff the first time he comes through for that Trust Casino thing I mean we're all on the deck it was it's tough because you know you have to make your days there's always a time crunch and stuff but yeah we we definitely had the giggles a few times yeah well i mean the it strikes me as well that the the sort of the plotting of all of these different revenge plots and everything it feels you know sort of quite intricate and and you know it is like a very well constructed drama in that way but then the the funniest side of it does feel a lot looser and it feels almost quite improvisational at times as well so i wonder did you get a chance to sort of like dip your toe in improv waters or were you trying to like back away from that a little bit more it's like i it was quite yeah no tim especially our first block director you know tim's got sort of impeccable comedy credentials and um and he was like yeah just try it you know the scripts there you know i think that's you come over prepared you i think the good thing the improvisation is you've got to know the the initial scene so well because you know what you've got to get back to it's not not the not just saying a funny line for the sake of it if it's got no relation to the scene But yeah there was moments I think I came a week late and you think they're all in the groove And you're a wee bit tentative You think oh this is a funny line but you don't quite commit to it You can see people going like did you say something there But once you get You felt it was a safe space I've always felt with improvisation In any kind of walk with it Is I think the problem People have with it Or when they're doing it is they always think It has to end in a massive Fight and a massive laugh and sometimes when you've got nothing to say and it's just the awkward silence.

30:38If you can just sit in those moments and Mira's amazing at that, the stillness she has. If you can sit in them, sometimes the awkwardness of that is the funny, funny things. And the office was the master at that. But I really, really enjoyed it. And again, it was just in that you never felt like you tried something and people were sort of looking down upon you. You always felt like, yeah, we'll have a go and we'll try something else. It was a safe environment. yeah and i literally was just thinking about it now as you were talking as well it's obviously like i don't immediately think martin compston improv but at the same time the first thing i ever saw you in was uh sweet 16 16 yeah ken loach famously like a lot of his process is it's exploration and it's sort of like working around theme and stuff so at the same time like was that a bit of a return for you did you find yourself tapping into a bit of that was fine I've always kind of not so much improv these things like I've always added bits of my own dialogue to stuff but again I think that always comes from great initial writing you know that that inspires you you know because if it's something that's not great you can just come in and go right let's get this done and get out of here but I feel again you have to be over prepared because I think the best improvisers which I think is quite quite contradictory are the ones who know the stuff inside out because then you can throw it away because you know what you've got you've got to get back to in the scene you've got to know the rules to break the rules exactly and I I've always felt quite as she is with my start with Ken Loach I've always felt quite comfortable improvising but yes the comedy improvising is something I haven't done in a long time last time I did it was Urban Myths for Sky and that was great fun so it was something that was always in my mind that I wanted to get back to so I'm really grateful for the team at Revenge Club for giving me a shot at it again yeah and uh something about sort of uh talked about the ensemble but your character callum specifically is that because of the way that the show set up and structure of it he's kind of got that onions layers effect of you're seeing him through these different lenses each episode as it passes i just wonder for you like was there a specific moment when you were reading the scripts or when you did arrive on set where you were like okay i i know this guy now like I get him now yeah I mean it's there are moments that this job can throw you for a loop sometime like I just came off a job called Red Eye and on the I think on the Friday night I was chasing a Russian spy through a car park in Watford as you do and I think on the Sunday I was in a community hall in Dublin trying to convince my daughter that I'm a good dad and it just that was a bit that took me a day to kind of go alright get it together I think I think it was probably after the kind of second lot of therapy scenes when I felt the big thing for Cal I think it was that sometimes you can find a little in and he has a lighter I was about to mention the flicking the lighter the lighter that kind of became a little even just as an actor that became a little safety net for me you just can find something you know it's a very important thing for him as a character but also for me it just kind of felt if I had nothing to do I could play with the lighter you know and that kind of drawn me in so that that was something when i came to set each day like i was all and and i've got a scene with with amy um where we talk about how it annoys everybody and i think i was annoying everybody on set with it as well because you get into a habit of just flicking it um and it has going on but it's very therapeutic um so when i get to when i get to set every day i'd always ask for my lighter first thing yeah that's that's really cool i'm gonna have to let you go in just a moment but i obviously couldn't possibly speak to you without mentioning the very recent, I can see the look in your eyes already.

34:21I'll tell you this right now mate, see when people stop asking me it'll be a sad day, like I I'm lucky that I think as you said, when you see, with Sweet 16 for me when it happened it was like a weight around my neck for a while because I felt like I had to get away from that character but I think Line of Duty, I mean happening sort of late 20s and into it it's, I'm proud of it, you know, and if it's the best thing I'm ever known for, like I can't know if people ever stop asking me about it then i'd be quite sad so no absolutely yeah i mean if you're if your thing that you're always known for is one of the best british teledramas that we've ever had it's not a bad way to to be looked back on is it people always try to get away from it i'm like no that's it then i'm chuffed that people like it well i am very glad to hear that it's coming back and i am gonna have to let you go but i hope that we get to talk to you again when season seven does drop.

35:11Take care, man. Thanks for your time. That was Martin Compton. Time now for this week's news. And look, the Golden Globes nominations were announced. I don't suggest we spend too much time on this, but we should touch on it. You always say this because you have disdain. It's directed at you. I have disdain. Me? Yes. Is it directed at Boyd? No. Boyd? Yeah. My disdain for Boyd? No, no. I thought you were trying to stop him from reading out the massive list. So you're saying Boyd's boring? You think Boyd's boring and you think that's what I'm doing here? Go wash your mouth. Hey, no, You're the one who accused him.

35:41No, that's not what I'm saying. Like a lot of people, it has valid disdain for the Golden Globes because there are basically like 95 people from Reykjavik or wherever deciding what the best TV and films of the year are. Now, it just so happens, particularly I think in the TV branch, so the Golden Globes is unique among all tournaments these days in that it has TV and film. It straddles the divide. The Stranding of the Divine, all in one cornucopia of showbiz joy, joy slash embarrassment, when it arrives on the scene in the second week of January or something like that. Anyway, but the bottom line is, actually the nominations, as often happens with the conglomerate, are really good.

36:25So, for example, I will just... Except for one, but carry on. Okay, we'll get to that. Oh, in terms of film or TV? Oh, TV. Oh, yeah, TV. So we won't do the film, obviously, but leave it to Empire, The Empire. Oh, wow, okay. Legend. Yeah, we're going to leave all the film stuff. We're going to skip over all that. Like, best TV series drama. Diplomat? Yes. Tick. Favourite. Pluribus? Yes. Already, you see? Pluribus hasn't even finished yet, season one. It's already on the list for Golden Globe nominations. Because it's fabulous. Because it's brilliant. Severance? Can't argue. Slow Horses? Yes. Can't argue.

36:55The Pit? The Pit. Well, I can argue because I haven't bloody seen it. And The White Lotus? Yeah. Yeah, nothing to grumble about. I'm saying that underlines what a brilliant year of TV. I've seen some roundups of TV that begin with the thing saying, you know, what's disappointing you for TV? I'm like, you've got, right there, you've got six genius shows. Yeah. Purely in the drama category. I'm still going to say Ander or GTFO. I know, yeah. It's difficult though. But there is, to be fair, Diego Luna gets a nomination further down. He does, yeah. Comedy, best comedy, Aber Elementary. Yes. Obviously, The Bear.

37:30Which isn't a comedy, but carry on. Can't even bother to talk about that. Yeah, exactly. It's like we've said so many times. Hacks, brilliant. Nobody wants this. What the fuck? Yeah, no, that should not. Shrinking, oh no, shrinking has been no one's fine. But crucially, like, that is, they are not, they're not doing a weird date thing where they sometimes do that at the Emmys, where actually they're talking about the previous bear, even though the most recent bear is there. They are specifically thinking season two of Nobody Wants This, which was fine. Yeah, exactly. Only murders in the building.

37:58Yeah. I mean, I still like it. And the studio. Which is genius. Yes. Okay, fine. Everyone liked. limited TV anthology series on motion picture made for television Adolescence of course should win All Her Fault talking of you know literally just gone out just finished on Sky Black Mirror Dying for Sex your favourite oh I like that I really like that Michelle Williams I'm not saying that because of the provocative title I'm saying you did really like that show how dare you I'm alright The Beast in Me the oh yeah yeah Maverick Netflix show and The Girlfriend The Girlfriend Oh, I enjoyed that. Yeah, Robin Wright.

38:35Yes. Crazy Robin Wright. Crazy. Who's crazier? Olivia Cooke. Yeah. Who's crazier Robin Wright? Olivia Cooke, yeah. So I think that's a pretty good list. That is a good list, yeah. Then we have best performance by a female actor in a drama, Bella Ramsey, Last of Us, Britt Lowa from Severance, Helen Mirren from Mobland, which is Maverick, I have to say. It was 1923, was it not? No, I think it's Mobland. I think she was nominated for 1923. Ooh, he's going to be right. Well, I'm actually looking at the official Golden Globes website. I don't know what you're looking at. Is this where James is going to have to issue another apology?

39:11I mean, I will be honest. If she were going to be nominated for either of those, I think 1923 would be a better shout. Yes, but wait a minute, wait a minute. That may be the case. But you're factually wrong. Maybe I'm choosing to make a... I'm making an audible. I'm making an audible call. I'm changing the nomination from Mobland 1923 for the sake of yours. And I loved Mobland, but also... Yeah, she wasn't... It was a bit, you know, they're always after me lucky charms and I don't think, you know... She did get to swear profusely in Mobland. She did get to use C-bombs. She did get to effer than jeffing.

39:45Maybe that's what it was. I think that is what it was. Seriously. Best C-bomb, Helen Mirren Mobland. Yeah, calling everyone the C-word. All right, fair enough. That's what you want. Kathy Bates for Matlock. Yeah. Kerry Russell, our favourite for The Diplomat. Yes. Well, my favourite. Oh no, I love her. Perhaps even more of our favourite, Ray Sewell, Friend of the Pod. She came into the studio. Friend of the Pod. Absolute Friend of the Pod. Then you've got Men in Drama, as I'm calling it now. Adam Scott, Severance. Diego Luna and Dawn. Yes, come on, Diego. Gary Oldman, Slow Horses. Mark Ruffalo for Task, also Friend of the Pod.

40:19Brilliant performance. Noah Wiley, Noah for The Pit. I mean, who knows? I don't know. Who knows? I didn't say. and Sterling Brown for Paradise yes which is pretty good I think should I go through comedy and musical acting nominations can you just do comedy but can you talk really quickly yeah okay thanks female actor in a musical comedy I.I. Debiri for The Bear Jean Smart for Hacks Jenna Ortega for Wednesday Kristen Bell for Nobody Wants This Natasha Lyonne for Poker Face Selena Gomez for Only Murders in the Building okay I want yeah smart carry on is there male as well yes sense of completion men Adam Brody your favourite yeah I like him Glenn Powell for Chad Powers which is fucking insane Jeremy Allen White for The Bear Martin Short for Only Murders Seth Rogen for The Studio and Steve Martin for Only Murders Steve no no Seth Rogen Seth Rogen wins that has to win yeah and women in sporting roles is this a joke now I can't work it out no no it's called Female Actor this pod is sponsored by Boyd reading stuff out well you know What did you start?

41:25You got finished. Started by Andrew. Best performance by a female actor in a sporting role. Just mention this for Amy Lewood, because Amy Lewood's on for the White Lover. She's brilliant. Carrie Coon, etc. Parker Posey, also nominated. Papa, no! Yeah, oh my God. Wow. It was worth it just for that. I think, yeah. Is that it? Boy, draw that steam. Excellent. Thank God the reading batteries have run out. you know they have a podcast category now as well do they? are we in it? it's mad we're not in it we're not in it well in which case if you can enter next year yeah I should can you imagine yeah like and they have got like things which are podcasts which are not particularly I mean that would be the downfall of the globes they're not fitting or anything you might think oh the podcasts are going to be scripted once but no you've got the Mel Robbins podcast is that hello I interviewed Mel Robbins she's a fucking legend I mean you're one step away from being in the Golden Globes so it is mad so we should definitely enter pod night out at the Golden Globes I can see it exactly at the Golden Globes James I'll be wearing lipstick can I just say Jason Itix has been nominated for best supporting role in the I'll just do that category it's good Ashley Waters Adolescence Billy Crudup Controversial Morning Show Jason Itix White Lotus Owen Cooper Adolescence Trammell Tillman for Severance and Walton Goggins for the White Lotus K7 Meltdown K7 has had a meltdown Yeah, that's true.

42:53Oh, dear. Okay, well, we're dispensing with the golden grapes. Yeah, we're done. We're definitely done. That was longer than the ceremony. Right, let's move on to a piece of news which I thought was very exciting, which is 16 years after Pushing Daisies came off the air. It may be returning, which is wild to me. The one with Anna Friel. Yes, that's absolutely right. The one with Lee Pace as the pie maker and the excellent Jim Dale narrator. Kristen Chenoweth is in it. Swoozie Kurtz, Shee McBride, loads of people. Really, really good, weird, fairy-tale-y type thing. The narrator in Boat Story always reminded me of the Jim Dale narration of Pushing Daisies.

43:28What channel was that? I genuinely can't remember. It's been so long. Was it Channel 4 or was it Sky Channel 4? Do you remember? Pushing Daisies. It was on ITV, actually. Was it on ITV? Yeah, ITV showed it on a Saturday night in a frankly misguided experiment. And no one watched it. No, no surprise. But that ran for two seasons from 2007 to 2009, I want to say. Really good Brian Fuller show. really enjoyed it really really quirky like the set up I should say is that you've got Lee Pace is the pie maker and he makes pies that's his job it's not just a clever name and basically he has a special magic power that if he touches a dead body he brings it back to life but if he touches it again it dies again and the wrinkle is is that when he brings a body back to life he has to touch it again and make it dead again within one minute or another life gets claimed someone else nearby will just die because death needs someone so if he doesn't and Charlotte Charles or Chuck his boyhood sweetheart he brings her back to life and doesn't touch her again so she stays alive and someone else dies but the point is they're in love but they cannot touch because if they ever touch she'll die instantly it's a really weird quirky comedy so they do things like kiss through cling film and stuff like that like it's really this is sounding odd it is really really odd and it's incredibly strange but it's really good I really enjoyed it Pushing Doses his eyes have lit up yeah so I'm excited that this may be coming out it may not but Brian Fuller is saying that they're working on a third season at the moment everyone wants to come back maybe they'll do it so good news that would be good yeah it was a really good show it was a very inventive unusual it was right now for some news that will be old by the time this comes out but I just want to cover it off because it's quite exciting for Gogglebox viewers tomorrow we're recording this on Thursday tomorrow there's going to be an episode which is for Stand Up to Cancer and basically it's a Hollywood edition because it's got actual Josh Hartnett on it with his wife actress wife Tamsin Edgerton and they're taking part but more exciting for me personally and I think for Boyd is that Kieran Culkin yes Roman from Succession is going to be on with his wife Jazz Choson so that is going to be very interesting are you fiddling around with the lights while I'm doing this?

45:33I am I've noticed that the pilot TV branding in the studio wasn't working so I've just turned it on okay as always concentration levels are high sorry could you repeat that Kate? kidding kidding kidding but that's going to be on so anyone listening to this on Monday you can check it out on what I like to call all four no 4ID it is actually all four isn't it I don't know Boyd which is it channel4.com whatever it is it's just channel4.com fine so that's some news now one thing we should talk about very very briefly because we did talk about this on Empire and I think we touched on it on Pilot Plus as well but the Netflix bid to buy all things Warner Brothers essentially Warner Brothers Discovery they were in exclusive talks for it well it works out like 82 billion including debt doesn't it for the amount they were going to pay for it and And that was a thing that was announced just after we recorded last week's main podcast.

46:22We didn't really get to get into that. But then since then, the new development is that Paramount Skydance, who were the other bidder here, have now launched what can only be described as a hostile takeover bid, appealing directly to shareholders for them to try and get hold of Warner Brothers Discovery. Essentially, that means that Paramount Skydance are now still in the running, I guess, at this point. And it's not a done deal, despite the fact that Netflix emailed all of us. And I don't just mean us, I mean subscribers generally. Ted Sarandos did not drop me a line. to say that they are now in exclusive talks and they're essentially buying Warner Brothers?

46:52Yes. It's very complicated. No one knows what's going to happen. But a couple of interesting things. One is that the Netflix offer does not include certain things like CNN. No, they're not interested in the news arm of it. Yeah. So it's really for the kind of scripted stuff, if you like. Yeah. Whereas the Paramount Skydance offer is for the whole fucking thing, which is why it's a significant tens of billions of dollars more. and the other thing to say about it is there's a whole political element to it because the people who own Paramount Skydance, Larry Ellison and his son, Larry Ellison is the second richest man in the world.

47:28Well, occasionally the richest. They don't know they go backwards and forwards, don't they? What's a few Bill here and there. Exactly. If you've seen that, the Jesse Armstrong... Mountainhead. Mountainhead. It's kind of all about that. It's like a Larry Ellison-alike character. Anyway, they are right-wing pro-Trump MAGA people. And already there's talk about right-wingifying. That's not an actual word or phrase. It is now. I'm using it now. Right-wingification. CNN, because CNN is like a kind of bastion of liberal, you know, supposedly objective, but actually, you know, they're fairly kind of, they're fairly pro-Democrat, I would say, realistically.

48:07But obviously Donald Trump hates them. So that's part of the, There's a kind of underlying political turmoil going on underneath it. When's this going to get called? When are we going to find out? I think it's going to take... This will take at least a year. Yeah, it will take ages. If not longer. Well, that's even... I mean, it might be less time than that to determine which of the... Oh, yeah, but for this all to happen... From then on, there's all the regulatory bodies to investigate. Oh, I just want to know who's going to... It affects Europe and everyone's got their own regulatory things in broadcasting, obviously, things.

48:36That's a tiny little term. so it's going to drag on for months but it is whatever happens it's going to be it's going to change the face of the industry TV and film yeah I mean it's it's not a good thing I think in either particular regard but because you know reduced choices is never a good thing but I don't know quite where it goes I think there are different risks depending on which party gets it Netflix obviously do many many good things but they're not historically huge supporters of the theatrical experience which is a concern for Warner Brothers film output and obviously their strategy for TV programming is quite different to, for example, HBO's.

49:12But I don't know. I mean, you probably touched this on the Empire podcast, but I think it's completely insane that Ted Sarandos of Netflix fame is not just saying why... Netflix, one of their USPs, obviously, is that they put their films in cinemas basically to qualify for awards things, right? and yet they make like Frankenstein for example and this is a film point I'm sorry I've got sidetracked it's a complete visual feast part of the whole selling point of that film a huge element of that film Was that Netflix? Yeah it's a Netflix film and funnily enough I think Mark Kermode mentioned when he was talking about Jay Kelly which is the George Clooney film they told him to go and see it in a cinema apparently in Netflix because they wanted him to see it on the big screen a film that 90 % 95 % of the people who watch it We'll consume it on Netflix.

50:05So I don't know why Ted Sarandos isn't just saying, obviously we'll keep Netflix as it is at the moment, with not big emphasis on theatrical releases, but we'll keep all the theatrical releases on Warner Brothers. What's he got to lose? It seems insane to me that he's not embracing the fact that he can have his vision of the new Netflix Warner Brothers doesn't allow for huge blockbuster movies. Well, we don't know. We don't know. He might. But quotes by him have been pretty negative about the theatrical window. The theatrical window needs to close a little bit, yes. This is a film discussion. It is a film discussion, so we must immediately stop it.

50:39Just cut it out. And say, yeah, to continue this conversation, or to continue listening to it, feel free to listen to the Empire podcast from Friday. I'm going to bring it back to TV quickly. Go on, Kay. With the news that Lupin is coming back for a fourth season, which is very exciting. Yeah, I love Lupin. Yeah, me too. It's fucking brilliant. Yeah, yeah. So that's some exciting news for Netflix, even if it doesn't win this bid. Have they started making it yet? Are they announcing filming it yet? What stage are we at? I think they've just announced it, I think. Okay, that's Netflix. And Paramount also have renewed Landman, the Taylor Sherwin show.

51:12That's been renewed for a third season on Paramount. I did well. And the other thing I want to mention is that Channel 4 put out pictures of Tiptoe, which is Russell T. Davis' new show that I went on set for. David Morrissey. David Morrissey and Alan Cumming, host of US Traitors, of course. And it's about these two warring neighbours. and it's going to be brilliant and they're just finishing filming now pretty much. It's going to be on Channel 4 in the summer. I'm looking forward to that. Absolutely fabulous. And before we wrap up news, I just want to give you some quick news about Stephen Moffat's Channel 4 comedy drama number 10.

51:51So we found out that Rafe Spall will be playing the Prime Minister and the Deputy Chief of Staff is going to be played by Jenna Coleman, which is very exciting. And finally, Catherine Kelly has also been announced. She'll be the chief of staff. So, exciting casting news. Catherine Kelly, fresh from her brilliant supporting role as Alan Partridge's girlfriend in the recent series, Alan Partridge's series on BBC, which I re-watched recently and is even better the whole thing the second time around. And you know what they've done on the DVD Blu-ray release of it? I think this is absolutely brilliant.

52:25And credit to Steve Coogan. You know there's a fan, Monkey Tennis is a fan, I've been on it, podcast about, in which they go through all Alan Partridge iterations and they kind of go episode by episode. They do a deep dive review. He's put one of their commentary on the official DVD release. Oh, that's good of him. Fully credited. Yeah, it's like having one of your spoiler special, you know. On the official DVD. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Can you imagine Pluribus when it comes out on Blu-ray? It's got us banging on about it or something. We'd love that. We should make that happen. Vince, if you're listening.

52:58Yeah, so kudos to Coogan and Partridge and all things. Excellent. I believe that's the end of news. The end of the podcast, surely. It's nine hours in. Oh, we should probably review some shows, shouldn't we? Let's begin with The Revenge Club, which we heard about a little bit earlier on from Martin himself. This is the new thread on Paramount+. It is based on the novel by J.D. Pennington, and the book is actually called The Othello Club. But this co-stars Amy Fionn-Edwards, Mira Cial, lots of other people in, and they're the sort of eponymous group, the sort of revenge club and they start out as a divorcees sort of support group and they seek retribution upon their love rat exes.

53:35Now, Boydie, you do love a love rat. So, do you want to tell us more about this? Do I? Yeah, Channel 5 show, remember? Oh, of course. How could you forget your show of 2024? Contender, top 20 contender. Yeah, exactly. This has got a great cast. I think Mira Sayal I think is how you'd pronounce her surname I apologise who should be in everything she's a great reminder she's great in this and I think she should get way more major TV roles great to see Martin Compton in a different role as well from what we know of him obviously in Line of Duty etc and the forthcoming Red Eye still charming very charming still charming but more I don't know slightly it's like a different fit for him yeah he's an everyman in this I feel he's a very high pitch there yes yes he is the every man Amy Fiona Edwards whose character Emily is the focus of the first episode at least whose husband is having an affair and in fact all these people are effectively coming together in a support group aren't they being run by Malcolm played by Amit Shah of people dealing with the best way to deal with this kind of betrayal and divorce and their partners getting up to no good I think what I liked about it is that it's neither a like police procedural it's not a mystery it's not really a cop show I mean cops get involved because things happen in fact in the very beginning there's a framing device there's a framing device of like she's being interrogated in the first scene crimes have been committed thank you for reminding me of that yeah obviously I like as in all of peak TV you have to have a framing device at the very least you can't start the story at the beginning absolutely not I'd Jack Wright in that sense, because that's how it started.

55:22Yeah, exactly. Yeah, what I really liked about it was it doesn't fit into any easy genre. It's not really murder mystery. I mean, there's crime drama. Crimes have happened clearly, which is established in the opening framing device, which then flashes back to tell us to fill in the details. It's a pick and mix of genres, isn't it? It's like there's loads of different things at play. But the extent to which it is a pick and mix makes it not... It doesn't easily fit into any of those categories. you can have the pick and mix all in one bag an assortment James' favourite I do love a pick and mix a juicy assortment of treats and I think the cast is the key as I say all of these people I didn't even mention Douglas Henshaw who's really good in it Doogie as you were calling him remember?

56:06Doogie Henshaw when we got over familiar exactly I think his mates call him which I am definitely one I'm not Shanae Kula I didn't mention him he's really good as well he's the one at the end of the first episode so he wants his case to mean the next one they explore. So I thought it managed to make a quite far-fetched idea that these people could come together and kind of hatch a crackpot plan. Kind of make it almost believable, or believable enough for you to go along with the willing suspension of disbelief that you need for a story like this. It's the characters, I think, that assist with that.

56:41Because it's fun, like you say, it's kind of crackpot, But because I believed in, like, particularly Amy and Martin Compton's characters who have this chemistry, right? And so, like, as it's unfolding, I'm like, actually, no, I'm buying more and more into it. And I think that's helped by other characters like Mira, etc. But I just like the fact that they've, I don't know, one of them anoints them the pound shop Ocean's Eleven. And that's kind of what this is. And it's just fun and entertaining. And I thought it'd be kind of cosy, like a cosy crime element. but actually no it's actually there's a you know the crime is quite serious and we're going to have to piece it together as the series goes on but I enjoyed it and I like the backstories I think good character work it's kind of it's like a mix between a caper because the revenge they take they're quite elaborate it's not you know some of the stuff is wild I won't give anything away but it's quite fun the way they put them all together and how they execute them that's very Ocean's Eleven-y and then in addition you've got this oh it all gets a bit serious police investigation.

57:41So it's the mystery of what went wrong, how did it go wrong, what happened, and who, let's be honest, died as a result of it. So that's kind of there to keep you going, just in case you weren't drawn in by the caper. Yeah. But it's a lot of fun. I think it's a good first episode. It draws you in. It does, yeah. And it does defy, I would say, easy categorization. Yes. That was a struggle for me. Easy for you to say. Yeah. Turns out revenge is sweet. Yes. Yeah. Did you read the official book, Katie? No, I haven't. The Othello Club. The Othello Club? Did you? No. Oh, okay. I thought you were like, did you read the official book because I have?

58:15No, not at all. He knows I'm an avid reader. Kay can read. And does read. Kay reads books that aren't necessarily set in a world of orcs and goblins doing magic things. He can't even understand that concept. He's like, what do you mean? Other books exist. Just saying. But does anyone know why it was called The Othello Club? No. No, I don't. Maybe they were big Shakespeare fans. Maybe they started by reading Othello. Maybe it was a Shakespeare appreciation society. Well, there was probably, you know, in Iago, there was that kind of betrayal going on. Motiveless malignancy. Yes, exactly. A Machiavellian character like Iago.

58:52Did I study at A-level? Yes, I did. But, I mean, look, there's always fun to see love rats being brought to justice. Yeah. And I think there's an element of, kind of, I think, well-earned Chardonnay here because we're all like, God, get them, get them, get the love rats. Yeah, especially the Amy Fjorn Edwards. Oh, yes. You're like, you are a shit. You can go to hell in a hand car. Yeah. Satisfying. The revenge club then on Paramount Plus, who do not yet own What About The Discovery. Oh, you're going to ask me when it's on, aren't you? I am. God. Yeah. Tell me now, Boydie. Boy, don't be funny. You've had so much information at your fingertips.

59:28I can tell you now without looking at the calendar. It's on now. Oh, yeah. That's right. It's on now. Because it was heavily embargoed. Yes. Yeah. Oh, that was a test. He tested you. I did, I tested you. And suffice to say, you failed. You were found wanting. Next up, we have Amadeus, which is Joe Barton's new show and a series I hold directly responsible for me not having season two of Black Doves to enjoy over Christmas. But I will try not to hold that against it because this is a historical drama based on the 1979 play by Peter Schaffer and fictionalises the rivalry between two great composers, specifically Antonio Salieri, played by Paul Bettany, and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.

1:00:04You may have heard of him. played by Will Sharp, both of whom will be on the podcast next week talking about this show with Boydie. In the meantime, though, Kay, can you be the maestro for this particular show? Always, I'll be the maestro. Do you know what? So I went into this knowing very little about mates, so I won't surprise you to know. You're not an avid pianist? No, no, I'm not. I mean, I sometimes tinkle the ivories at Christmas, but... An avid what? Sorry. Lol. but so good is this right that I instantly was then googling and in that predictable way I'm a cliche in that way because I was like oh my god now I need to know like the backstory and stuff like this it is very very well done as you would imagine and the casting is great so as you say Will Sharp is Mozart and he particularly I mean they're both well cast the leads Paul Bettany is great as Salieri because he is very upright and quite serious character.

1:01:03He was first on the scene composing and then gets usurped essentially by Mozart. And he's creatively blocked. He's a very pious man, creatively blocked, believes that he's been channeling the music as a conversation with God. Much like this podcast. I mean, said no one. And yeah, and so, you know, Mozart comes on the scene and what I liked about that character of Salieri so first of all it starts in a very dramatic fashion because this character is trying to unsuccessfully end his life and he has this confession that he wants to make to Mozart's wife and what I like about it is that it doesn't go down the predictable route of like when Mozart comes on the scene it'll be easy for Antonio to try and you know scupper his efforts to stop him from you know having an audience with the emperor all these kind of things, which he doesn't do, actually.

1:01:54He, you know, he's quite open to trying to help Mozart first, which I thought was interesting, an interesting dynamic. Obviously, that's about to change because Mozart is hugely talented and he's a real character. He is... A bellend? No, I, listen... He's a bit of a bellend. Oh. Listen, he's got shades... Not even a bit of a bellend. He's shades of... This is a bold take. Oh, this case taste in men coming to the fore here. No, no, no, no, no. Look, of course he is. But crucially with him... Right, in the scale of bellends, right? Right, you've got me. You've got James. No, no, no. You've got the bellends who are extraordinary bellends and have no talent, have nothing to back it up.

1:02:33And then you've got the people who are bellends, but they're incredibly talented. Now, it doesn't take away from... A prodigious bellend. It doesn't take away from their bellendry, of course, but they have the goods to back it up. And I put Mozart in that. Do you think there was this conversation that Joe Barton had when he pitched this show? The levels of bellendry. Do you support his decisions to go off and compose elsewhere, we're leaving his poor wife and child. Well, did he? I haven't got to that bit yet, boys. I'm sorry. So that is very much a spoiler for me. Spoiler for Amadeus. Yeah, I was like, I've only watched the first episode, boys, so don't spoil it for me, please.

1:03:05But in this first episode, he is very... I think he's electric to watch, right? Because he's a live wire and he has got talent and charisma oozing out of him. And he is arrogant, of course. And, I mean, some of the scenes, There is a scene where he has, shall we say liaison, a liaison with a woman and some soft fruit. Liaison with a lady. With a lady and some soft fruit, which is extraordinary to see. It's very amusing. Also, it added a new sign-off for me because, as you know, verbally I like to always say to Boyd, best or best wishes. Where are we going with this? But now, Boyd, I'm adding the very brilliant Toodaloo.

1:03:45Oh, Toodaloo. you know Toodaloo is Empire Podcast's Helen Sainoff Sainoff that's why Boyd likes it so much oh my god no wonder she's a legend that is an extraordinary sign off so anyway yes it's funny Mozart as a character he's very amusing and he is so sort of unfettered and fluid and he's so sort of free with his writing that's why obviously this Salieri probably could have great reason for hating him because he is, you know, he's a master of what he does and he's unrestrained and that shows up in so many different areas of his life, which would make him seem like a bellend because particularly with the ladies.

1:04:26But he has this relationship and this connection with Constance. You know, she is his match and she is fantastic. We should say that's great casting by Gabrielle Grevy. So, yes, overall, I was very, very taken by this. And I think it's, yeah, it's just fun. It's bawdy. It's exciting. It's a smart period romp. That's how I'm describing it. Yeah, I mean, it's an incredibly bold, it's the only word for it, decision to do a new version of this story because, I mean, partly, I mean, by the way, all of the press information fairly says this is a version inspired by the original play. Yeah, Peter Schaffer's play, not the Milos Forman film.

1:05:11I mean, I've seen neither plays. Right, but I've seen both. and the Milos Forman film is regarded by many as one of the greatest films ever made. I mean, I know Simon Mayo of Bauer Radio fame's favourite film of all time. Is it? Yes, indeed. Is it one of your favourite? You know you've got a lot of favourites. It's got to be one of your favourite films. It's not in my top 20, I would say. Every film's in your top 20. That's true. That must be a real disc to that film. Well, I'm just proving you wrong, aren't I? He's saying it's terrible, basically, is what he's saying. No, it's not terrible. It's really, really good.

1:05:42It's a great film. But I think, so it is audacious, to say the least, for people to go, oh, what we need is, you know, a new version of this story told across five hours, roughly, on television. But... Joe Barton is nothing if not audacious. Indeed. And what I think he's done brilliantly is he's opened out the world of this story. So you get much more, particularly of Gabrielle Carivia as the wife in this story. and she gets and it's kind of like exploring the ramifications of a lot of stuff that you see in the original play and film but doesn't have time to delve deeper into it so he's delving deeper into this into Mozart the relationship with his wife all of that obviously the rivalry with Salieri but there's more of Salieri in this version you know you get to see his by the way it's a while it's a while since I watched the film and it's an even longer while since I watched the stage play, but I'm pretty sure that's what he's done.

1:06:50And at the same time, he's kept it incredibly fresh and vibrant. And the casting is fantastic, as Will Sharp is. I think where you're talking about, you know, what level of dickheadery do we ascribe to him effectively? What type of bellendery? Levels of bellendery? Well, because he is so charming, Will Sharp, and likeable, and handsome, and, you know, all of those things. A bit different, interesting, I would say, to Tom Hulse, who's in the film version. I think Will Shop manages to make him more likable. Yeah, well, yeah. And likability... Well, he's got a cheekiness to him. Yeah. There's a discussion about relatability in this, I think...

1:07:29Oh, I mean, who among us can't relate to Mozart? Exactly. But I think that's... And I brought it up in the interview, and they were like, that's more of a question for Joe Barton, which they're absolutely right. They said it in a very nice way. They were like, boy, what the fuck are you asking us that for? But I think Joe Barton has this bit, yeah, where Mozart and his mate discuss is their story relatable? And I think that's really interesting because I think, you know, people will say, people did say about Amadeus the film, oh, it's full of horrible people, you know, competing, this essential rivalry.

1:07:58They're both bellends. Bellends, yes. But what Joe does brilliantly in the script for this show is deepen our understanding, I think, of those two and everyone who's in their circle, you know, in their circle of friends, acquaintances, relatives, wives, partners, etc. And what happens to Salieri is Salieri suddenly rejects religion, for example, and goes massively debauched. What? This is like, yeah, slight spoiler. Boy, stop spoiling the show for me, please. Is that a spoiler? No, for me specifically, because I'm so invested in that. And Kate likes debauchery and she doesn't want to know that's coming.

1:08:28Sorry. I did bring it up in the interview, which they happily discussed, so certainly it's that much of a spoiler. And then I watched the whole thing, because I was in prep for the interview. I like to do my homework. Professional. and it goes places, I think, in the end, where the original film and play couldn't go and it's really beautifully directed and written and acted and so it's like a real prestige TV project that I think really works. People often complain about people rebooting and reimagining old property, old IP and all of that. It's tired. It's almost as tired a criticism as it is of actually making something out of old intellectual property But this is an example of where it totally is valid because it's adding something more to the original.

1:09:13And it's, you know, it's giving us, and it's entertaining us brilliantly at the same time. And the casting down to, you know, the smallest, Rory Kinnear. Rory Kinnear is the, you know, freshman. I mean, there's a lot of his diplomat prime minister in that performance. It's great. But he's so brilliant at it. I mean, the diplomat, he's astonishing. I love him so much as the prime minister. He's so horrible and nasty. He's slightly less horrible in this. He's just imperious as the emperor. Is the emperor or king? Of Austria, yeah. Emperor of Austria. He would be imperious. You've got to be imperious if you're the fucking emperor.

1:09:44I mean, if you're a literal emperor. So he's slightly less of an absolute total shithead as he is in the series that I keep forgetting. The Diplomat. The Diplomat, thank you. I can never remember the title of that show, even though I love it. It's one of my favourite shows. It's definitely going to be in my top 20. Can you get your tattoo? Nicol Trowbridge, the Prime Minister. So it's brilliantly cast, brilliantly done. and it is an absolute gigantic treat. Do you know when I was watching this, what it made me realise? And I'm going to continue with The Count of Monte Cristo, and I know you guys were very negative about it, and I enjoyed the first episode.

1:10:15The Euro pudding. Yeah. But I think what it made me realise is, like, both period dramas, I mean, this has got such flair and wit. Yeah, it has pizzazz to it. Yeah, it's like in a different league, and I think that's what I realised. Yeah, this is a Rolls Royce compared to that Hillman Impel. Oi. I have to be honest, I didn't think I was going to like this. Oh, why? Are you a fan of the original? I've seen it, but no, not particularly. I'm sure it is one of the greatest films ever made, but it's not really my jam. Were you just in a Mary Mary Quircottri mode? No, I think mainly I just wasn't, I was like, it was the subject matter.

1:10:48Genuinely, it was the subject matter. And it wasn't that I thought it would be bad, I just thought, you know, if you'd given me season two of Black Doves, I'd been there with bells on, but for this I just wasn't really feeling Mozart. Okay, you're fine. But I mean, it took maybe five minutes, ten minutes before I was kind of sucked into this. Yeah. Because it starts with, you get, again, a framing device. We have a framing device. We get old-age Salieri confessing his sins before we get into it. But I think, first of all, the second, weirdly, it was Rory Kinnear, actually. When he comes in, you know, doing his Nicol Trowbridge as the Emperor, I was like, okay, I'm on board now already.

1:11:22And the way Bettany tries to kind of navigate the kind of politics of whether he can do his new opera, whether he has to do the old opera, what language is going to be, and that sort of thing. and then the second Will Sharp comes on he commands the screen because he is a raging bellend but he has such charisma and a little cheeky twinkle in his eye he's got, how do you say that? Insouciance that's what he's got there but also I love that they have they have a piano off like a duel between him and a court pianist and it's just amazing he's like it gets orgasmic I genuinely I've never been so invested in a musical performance I was like, God, get him, get him.

1:12:01Like, it was like... Wow. Tickle those ivories. No, it was like watching, like, two prize fighters going at it, but via their keyboards. And I thought that was such a brilliantly staged sequence. And, you know, whether you're interested in Mozart period drama, classical music, pianos, there's something just universal about that sort of, like, mano-a-mano kind of confrontation. And the fact that they're able to do it through music, yeah, I thought was... Piano duel. A piano duel. It's a thing. Dueling pianos. What's interesting is that, for me, is that there's a whole load of films and TV shows at the moment about male geniuses and their...

1:12:37And podcasts, about that too. And podcasts, yeah. About their flawed, and particularly, well, I'm toasted by you, yeah. Flawed genius men wanting to have things their own way. So there's this. Who else? I've seen more of it. So the relationship with the mother and the... etc. The mother, his wife and mother plays out more. I urge you to not ruin any more of it. Yeah, no, no. Then you've got Hamnet, the film, which is about with Paul Mascos William Shakespeare who has to abandon his wife and kids to go up and write. Well, I'm saying has to. There's always a choice. There's always a choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:13:16And then the Timothee Chalamet film I was talking about, Marty Supreme, he abandons the... Spoiler for Marty Supreme as well. there's a lot of yeah so there's a lot of abandoning genius my heart is bleeding for all these tortured men well this is my point is that it could be it could be seen as a tired trope but it's definitely a thing I think and people love films and TV shows about geniuses and there are often almost certainly people who call themselves geniuses or regard themselves as a genius are men and yeah two of them in this room James knows he's a genius thank you buddy that's very kind of you to say I aspire Puffing out his chest.

1:13:53Yeah, I aspire to geniusness. Fail. And I, of course, have achieved it. But I think this is partly about that whole syndrome. The difference is, I think this is partly about... Bell-end syndrome. Male genius bell-end syndrome. M-G-B-S. I think this... And it does a really good job of exploring. It kind of says, if you're presented with all of these brilliant things, like if you're Mozart and people want stuff from you and they're going to literally pay you to do stuff and they're going to love you for it, it's hard to resist that that's part of the whole thing and the extent to which you can or can't resist that is explored brilliantly I think in this that's my long window and it is so effortless for him yeah Amadeus then Amadeus Amadeus which lands not till Sunday as I recall yeah Sunday 21st December 2025 on Sky Atlantic worth the wait now now we have very little time left we have one more show to cover because next up we have Imposter on Channel 5 And this is an Australian-UK collab created by Neighbours producer, Jason Herbison.

1:14:56Herbison? Herbison. Herbison. It stars Coronation Streets, Kim Marsh, and Neighbours, Jackie Woodburn, as well as former Home and Away star and Kylie sister, Danny Minogue. It's what I'm calling a soap convention. Yeah, it really is. It is the twisted tale of a woman called Helen, who refuses to sell her seaside mochi. She's a motelier, as we've discussed. she refuses to sell her seaside motel despite the machinations of her scheming family only for her long lost daughter or is she I wonder what James thinks of this to pop across from Merseyside in fact and slide into her life now apropos of nothing I think it's a good time to reflect briefly on Pilot TV's mission statement to bring you the very best of cinematic TV entertainment to help you navigate the quality waters of prestige TV and as I say at the top of every episode to be your essential guide I do every show that matters.

1:15:51Now, I know what you are expecting, what you're all expecting, what you two in particular are expecting is that I will go on some kind of sneery, elitist monologue, disparaging Channel 5's imposter and perhaps suggesting that it does not 100 % fit that description, Boyd-y. Listen, it's like the least of nothing. What? Listen, that's unfair. I'm not going to do that. I am not going to do that. Boy, James, own up to the... Why are we doing this? Because everything's embargoed, you know. You should be thanking me for finding another show for a review when there was nothing else on. If the option was not to do anything and cut this short, would you have wanted to do it?

1:16:26No, because you like to... We could do that. We could literally do that. But do you know what we're not going to? And I'll tell you why. Because you like to eke it out? Because I had to fucking watch this. So, Boydie, please tell us about Imposter.

1:16:38Yes. As you say, it's about a hotelier. A motelier. A motelier. and she has to deal with her various offspring who clearly want to exploit her and her hotel for all it's worth. They want to sell it off and make loads of money. She wants to keep it because it's basically her life's work. In comes Kim Marsh as the secret daughter that no one knew she had who's been living in England, hence Kim Marsh's accent and she arrives on the scene. At this stage, let's remember what the title is of the show. Now, well, this is the great thing about it. This is such a, I mean, it would be a complex web to navigate.

1:17:21Can you navigate a web? I don't know. But it's called Imposter. It's actually, funnily enough, it's either called Imposter or The Imposter. I think it's called Imposter in Australia. And we get the definite article. We get the definite article. I see. Because we're worth it. On the fifth channel. Is it channel five or is it just five? It's just five. The five. It's just Imposter. you know they don't like they don't like other you know they're grammatically indecisive yes decisive so yes there's a character who pops up in episode 3 played by Danny Minogue oh wow you got to episode 3 you got to episode 3 well I had to because I was writing about it this is like catnip for him I was writing about it for him oh this is the new love rat isn't it and it is the new love rat to some extent and I was like when the fuck does Danny because there's a Q &A with Danny Minogue in the press pack etc and she talks about you know, all this, that and the other.

1:18:09And, I mean, you can put two and two together, but it's like one of them is an imposter, anyway, between her and Kim Marsh. I watched this, and it's so clunky. It makes Love Rat look like a fucking masterpiece, is what I would say. So, in the press information, they talk about they want it to be a bit like one of those 80s erotic thrillers, that basic instinct. And I was watching the first episode, I was thinking, when's the basic instinct stuff going to kick in? Because you have to wait for the cheese, Boyd. The finale, a final scene of episode one, includes some intimate scenes of intimacy, shall we say, with Kim Marsh, and it's hilarious.

1:18:50And they are shot almost like in tribute to those films back in the day. Because if you watch those films like Fatal Attraction, Basic Instinct, The Erotic Thriller. Sliver, 90s erotica. And I, by the way, I love that. I have no doubt. But they are quite camp. and over the top and stupid and almost self-aware. It's like Mills and Boone. Well, except more kind of adult, more edgier than Mills and Boone. I think Mills and Boone were swoonsome and romantic, weren't they? They didn't emphasize the shagging. No, not as raunchy. This is just pure raunchy shagging. But it's shot in such a kind of ridiculously funny way.

1:19:27It's almost like a spoof of sex scenes. Genuinely is. It genuinely feels like something out of top secret or something. It really does. It really does. You can spend any minute, like, Kim Marshall, to, like, do something stupid, like, put it in an airplane or something. So, it is shockingly amateurish, and yet kind of mindlessly entertaining, you know, as far as it goes. But obviously, literally the only reason we're doing it, James, to address your point, there's nothing else on. Yeah, I felt bad for Boyd, I think. I mean, you know. You know what you did. It's a TV drama that's running consecutive nights on five, and that is within our remix.

1:20:06I'm surprised you haven't brought up the fact, well, maybe it's just me. I struggled so hard with Jackie Woodburn's Irish accent, which is worse than James's, and I didn't think anything was worse than James's accent. It was like she was constantly grappling with it. Sometimes it was okay, sometimes it was off, and it was like so distracting to me. In many ways, the least offensive part of this show. I know, but what I found irritating about that, because, well, first of all, I have to say, I'm usually the big defender of 5, Channel 5, etc. You are. But in this instance, I can't because this, I think, is below their standard that you should require.

1:20:42Well, never did. But the issue with the accent thing was, which I found irritating and unnecessary, was like, she could just be an Australian motor owner, right? Why do they have to make her art? She could have still, you know, been visiting England and given her child up for adoption. There was no need for this extra hurdle, linguistic hurdle for her to have this accent. But anyway, yeah, I mean, I've got nothing more to say because I think less said sooner spent it. Yes, I think you're right. The less said about this, the better. So imposter or the imposter airs on five or the five, depending on whatever you want.

1:21:16When, Boydie? Today, Monday. I think Monday, yeah. Not that we're in any way recommending that you take advantage of that information. Oh, not necessarily. No. No. What did we miss this week, Boydie? What have we not covered? Do you know what I have got? because I had to bring the Christmas coffee. Shall I tell people? Yeah, you tell us. Okay, I can tell you that Fallout, season two of Fallout comes to Prime Video on Wednesday. We couldn't cover that. It's embargoed until tomorrow so we're going to be covering that on Pilot Plus, I think. Emily in Paris or Emily in Paris, I don't know how you want to pronounce it, is on the Netflix.

1:21:48That drops on Thursday and that's the only thing I have in the calendar. See, that's why. Yeah, I think that's probably accurate. Okay. That was embargoed as well, we should say. Emily in Paris. Yes. Okay, that's it. I've got an Empire Christmas lunch to go to, so we should probably call time on the podcast there. Oh, cute. James getting pissed. Not invited. Yeah, sorry, Boynie. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah. Have you got invited to the after drinks? Oh, how insulting. Oh, my God, boy. Exactly. I'd rather hate you than you went to that. I would honestly, I would give you that bullet. Wow. I might raid the BAFTA screening of Avatar.

1:22:25Avatar stuff and nonsense, as I'm calling it, just so I can heckle James in his intro. As I intro it, yeah. I'm so annoyed myself. I'm not going to that screen. I might call him up since it's a last-minute move. As I said, you can just heckle him every week on this. Yeah, you can. Yeah, but there's no in front, in the public, in front of people. He wants to do a full Salieri and sort of take me down on stage. Exactly. Bring it on. Okay, that was... We haven't said our show of the week, have we? No, that's a good point. Right, imposter. Right, moving on. I mean, it's so obvious to have food and drink.

1:22:57Imposter. That it's obviously, you know, we don't need... 100 % Amadeus. But I also did really enjoy The Revenge Club. Amadeus. Okay. With bells on. That was this week's podcast. If you enjoyed it, please leave us a review. It's nearly Christmas. Please send us presents. I'm hungry. Please send us cake. You know, any of those things are fine. If you want to follow us on social media, you can. You know the handles by now. And we'll see you on Thursday for Pilot Plus, when we will hopefully be talking about Fallout. And then on next Monday. And what is out next Monday? Let's have a look. Next week.

1:23:28oh it's the Christmas one because it's the one that goes out just before Christmas so we'll be talking through a lot of the Christmas shows the mandarin including yes including well that may not be on next week's regular podcast we might do that on the final pilot plus on Christmas morning I mean it's very confusing it is very confusing but yes more on that next week in the meantime I'm off to have mince pies and whatever else I've ordered for lunch so that's I don't like mince pies that's not true it's probably it's probably a fettuccine or something I have to say of all the intros that might be your worst you really?

1:23:58yeah I mean, it's an outro. It's an outro. Oh, intro, outro. Intro, outro. Shake it all about. Yeah. Oh, my God. Let's call the whole thing off. Let's call the whole thing off. Let's call this off, please. This is terrible. This is why we're not getting a Golden Globe, you bastards. I mean, this is absolutely the reason. Pilot out.