Criminal Record, Beef, and Mint. With guests Peter Capaldi and Cush Jumbo

38:15Oh, boy. Thanks, Ben. So this is from 2019. I watched, and I know this says they don't want it to be dubbed, and you can watch the dubbed version, but you can also watch it in Icelandic with subtitles, and it's The Valhalla Murders. Have either of you heard of this? Oh, I heard of it. I didn't watch it. Yeah. So The Valhalla Murders, I won't give anything away. So basically, a detective goes back to investigate the first ever serial killer case. and it's it's absolutely it was originally I watched it when it was on Netflix and now I was trying to find this morning and I think I'm pretty sure now it's on a it's on BBC you can watch it on BBC 4 that's what it's saying it's saying you can watch it on BBC 4 but that is absolutely brilliant I tell you what so Harlan Coburn now so you know he does several of his adaptions in foreign languages have either of you did either of you see Hold Tight it's 2008 and eight yeah with yeah i don't think so do you remember do you remember it boyd yeah it's so good no i know it's not nordic i sorry i just wanted to mention because you know i'm not i'm not that big on subtitled things but i know i know this is this is polish but i just want to mention as another kind of foreign language thing that i really really enjoyed which i think is definitely worth did it have richard armitage in it no it didn't wow okay yeah yeah so that was a polish version right this is sorry this is a polish version yes it's a polish version of it's near scandinavia but geographically it's you know it's yeah but yeah it's not it's not scandy but it is absolutely brilliant worth a watch worth a watch worth a watch not not scandinavian but anyway i know it's not right i'm just saying no it's not scandinavian he's obviously done his homework Let's hear what he has to say.

40:04Okay. So this show was a Swedish series originally, and it's about a female detective who, in the first scene, she comes back to her house where there's a party going on, and she herself arrests her own son for drugs. Do you remember this? I like her style. No. What's it called? It's called Before We Die in English. in British, in the British language. In Swedish, it was called Inan Vidor. Inan Vidor. It was created by Niklas Rockström. And it was turned into, it was remade by Channel 4 and called Before We Die. And it starred Leslie Sharp in that lead role. And sure enough - A great Leslie Sharp.

40:53They stuck, I love Leslie Sharp. And they stuck very closely to the original and started with her arresting her own son, played by the great Paddy Gibson, Patrick Gibson, who's in the OA, my friend. Oh, I love him. I love Paddy Gibson. Yeah, I interviewed him for this very podcast. This is how far back we go. Wow. Yeah, the British version was 2021, and then they did another season, second season of it. But the original Swedish version is brilliant. The British version is fine. I love Leslie Sharp. I love Paddy Gibson. So, you know, it's all good. But the original is absolutely brilliant. Where is it available?

41:30Do you know what? That's a very good question. I am not 100 % sure probably on channel4.co.uk maybe channel4 streaming but that is a yeah I'll have a look seek it out and you shall find yeah seek it out before we die and the other thing to say about it was it was a massive recommendation by Ricky Gervais Ricky Gervais yeah him and Jane is it bad that now I'm taking it a bit more seriously yeah no me too now I'm listening to you I mean it's about time but but these things do count don't they but yeah he he and Jane Fallon his partner watch a lot of they love watching this stuff they love watching subtitled foreign language kind of crime dramas and films God that makes me want to really really watch them all the time now no but when we had him on the podcast remember we had him on the podcast the live podcast a couple of years ago and I asked him a bit about it and he's like yeah that's that's the that's the stuff they watch on TV and Before We Die was the one he particularly singled out as being a great show an excellent show oh I bet they're loving Yo Nesbo's Hole I bet they're loving that Detective Hole-y which we did yeah I need to finish that by the way have you finished that?

42:42oh yeah I finished it it's absolutely oh god yeah it's absolutely and as you know now James and I had a bit of a discussion about where they put the subtitles on this particular oh he's obsessed you're both obsessed with subtitles just deal with them please do not low yourself to this level of discussion But I have to say, it's true. The problem is that when you're looking and you're having to, your gaze, averting your gaze constantly to the subtitle below. If you're having to avert your gaze constantly to the subtitle below, it's not as enjoyable as if they're above, which is the point that James and I had quite a lengthy discussion on and agreed upon.

43:22James with curly hair, that's what I'm going to call you. Oh God. Let's just start calling him Jeff. Okay, right. okay do you think we've sufficiently answered that or do we do we need to do a google of some other like nordic thrillers that we might not have no i think that's i think we've sufficiently answered the question unfortunately i am just looking up before we die the original version to see where it's available it doesn't seem to be available anywhere so that was a good recommendation so boy's gonna offer to buy dvds and dv players for everyone who wants to watch it well no we could all convene when we go around to at Ricky's when we go yeah no you'll get in the coach to my house remember with all the people I want to talk to yeah and that Luton trip the screening in the garden but the British version the Channel 4 version is definitely available on Channel 4 anyway that is that was indeed the listener question fully and frankly sorted out with also some Polish in there as well yeah a bit Polish a bit British a bit of unavailability you know You can't have everything in life.

44:27We said some words. We said some stuff. Yeah. Anyway, more stuff coming up now, more words, because now we return to the highly esteemed news section of proceedings. Who would like to start with some TV-based, TV? Television-based news stories. I'm looking at you, Steph. So I'll hear nothing of this being film news, okay, because it originates in TV. I know what you're saying. Yeah, you're right. Already I'm backing you up on this one Do you know what I'm going to say? For anyone who doesn't know what you're going to say What is it? Shall I guess? I would love you to guess The in-betweeners No I'm not going to say that No I wasn't going to say that I did have that on my list I did have that on my list And I'm hoping you hadn't spoken about this before Jamie Lee Curtis Oh no Jamie Lee Curtis Murder She Wrote Oh, Steph.

45:24Okay. Steph, all your dreams have come true. My God. Okay, so I'm a big Jamie Lee Curtis fan anyway, but Jamie Lee Curtis basically now is developing big screen reboot scheduled for December 22nd, 2027, murder she wrote film. I'll hear nothing of it being a film. Wait, so Jamie's playing Fletcher? It's not apparent what she's saying So she says Basically they've said Oh yeah hang on Yes she is doing it Sorry live on air excitement Sorry just clicked on the updated news bit That was a live on air squeal Oh I'm so excited though Oh my god what great casting By herself to play Jessica Fletcher Oh it's going to be great I'm really Really interested to see what they do what she does with this this is going to be absolutely incredible and so I wonder if they'll be just remaking the old stories or they're going to branch into like I imagine it's going to be like one really incredible story that she's going to do so it's going to be directed by Jason Moore sorry do you know what rather than a mediocre one they're going to choose a really shit one from the two pieces sorry sorry I was reading at the same time sorry so I've gone so squealy no all I mean is they're not going to do like not going to do loads of the different stories like obviously like the series yeah I know that was my fault actually because I was still thinking of the TV series that's why I said stories rather than well yeah I mean fair enough because this is a film news story rather than a TV one but crack on I think it's going to be one case is what I'd say or actually it could be like it could be like a serial killer in Cabot Cove which would be a great thing to do okay we know there's a lot of murders in Cabot Cove as it is yeah anyway Anyway, what's funny is...

47:20Anyway, directed by Jason Moore, who's a directed Pitch Perfect. Sorry, Boyd, what's funny? Go on. What's funny is that, you know, she's in that Scarpetta series. Yes. And you were really scathing about her and said she was just transposing her character from the bear and I completely disagreed with you, but carry on, yeah. I thought she was great in it. It was like she was transposing her character from the bear and adding on layers and layers of cheese to that performance. Let's move on. Let's move on. Another funny thing was she was an exec producer of Scarpetta, famously. She was responsible for getting it made.

47:56She was. And then she gave herself this role, this demented role. So carry on. Anyway, it is quite funny. Yeah. And now she's given herself the role of a lifetime. I hope there's no shade about that. Of course, if you're like leading the charge on something, I think you should be able to, and if you've got the talent to back it up. It wasn't like she cast herself as Scarpetta herself. No. What I would say is if you at any point in your life have the chance to cast yourself as Jessica Fletcher, then you do it. It's unlikely. You can play the sheriff. Boy, you'd be the sheriff. Oh, my God. You'd be so good as sheriff.

48:30Anyway. Right. Oh, and I don't know whether you've covered this, but did you cover the Nobody Wants This casting news? Yes. I think you are. Sarah Silverman joining Nobody Wants This? Yes. Yes. I sang her praises. Apologies. Apologies. I sang her praises, Steph. Sarah Silverman. Boyd's a huge fan and unless Jamie Lee Curtis is going to be in it as well I think we have covered that for the news your campaign against Jamie Lee Curtis no I love her I love her it doesn't feel that way well no I was entertained I was just kind of intrigued by her choice her acting choice for that Scarf Hatter thing particularly but anyway was it too heightened for you your favourite word it was quite heightened it was quite it was one of those that horrible phrase which critics use which I find quite annoying which is it's like she was in another show but in this particular case it was like she was in another show anyway I didn't realise you were such a defender of Scarpetta, Kay.

49:19No, I just like that. I mean, it was a big character and she's like very messy. Is it because she's called Kay? No, because that's Nicole's character, isn't it? No, I mean, yeah, Nicole's character. Oh, what, defending her as a whole? The man's character, yeah. Kay should have her own detective drama series because she shares the same first name, Kay, with Scarpetta. Correct. It's only a matter of time. Get in touch, guys, I'm available. No, the story I thought you were talking about, about whether it's a film story or a TV story, is the Inbetweeners reboot. Because that obviously is a legendary TV show on the E4 and then the Channel 4.

49:55It was a huge phenomenon. Two films resulted from it. But now they're saying there were rumours that the creators were going to do more Inbetweeners, do Inbetweeners reunion with the core cast. And we didn't really hear more about that. I think that was rumoured last year. and then now stories are surfacing that they've signed up with Netflix, the creators. Oh, wow. Okay. And the hope is that they're going to bring back the original cast. But in the story I saw, it didn't say specifically, oh, yeah, they have signed up the core cast of four. You would need them. You can't do that. I mean, you'd think, right?

50:29Unless they do the junior in-betweeners and they have four new vads, which they could do, right? What, the Spawn of? Yeah, the Spawn of, something like that. No, I don't. Oh, I'm not here for that. No, because I don't know about rebooting The Inbetweeners, really. Because they're rebooting them. Are they just going to be in their normal lives now? Oh, I don't know about this at all. Yeah, it'd be like a documentary for every middle-aged person on the planet. No, because no. No, just no from you? Do you know what I mean, Kay? I just think like The Inbetweeners is so of its time as well, and the humour is very of its time.

51:08It would be a challenge for the writers, I think. Yes, that's a very nice way to put it. It would be a challenge. I think they're right. Ian Morris and Damon Beasley are said writers. I think they're talented enough to deal with whatever they end up actually commissioning. But it's interesting that in these news stories, there's one I saw on the Radio Times, et cetera, saying it doesn't necessarily mean the original cast will be involved, but they want them to be. So anyway, who knows? Who knows what's going on? But fascinating. They are amazing writers. I have met them both and they are absolutely lovely people as well.

51:41I will say that. They are. I just don't know. I don't know. No, fair enough. We'll see. What? We'll see. Kate? Some news from me, which I'm excited. Well, I'm nostalgic about. So I used to love TFI Friday back in the day, the Chris Evans Channel 4 show. And I read yesterday that actually the show returned apparently a few weeks ago on um youtube as tfi unplugged on the virgin radio uk channel apparently that's what's you know um what it is but now channel four have signed a deal to broadcast new episodes on friday nights at 11 which is um i think it's gonna be interesting talking of like can something transcend its time and be updated um because obviously a lot of the stuff that happened back in the day probably isn't very appropriate now so it's gonna launch on so by the time this episode of the pod comes out it will have already started on friday and uh the first episode guests are sam rider uh jack savareti sindhu v jemma arterton peter capaldi uh kush jumbo and shria goshel so that's a good lineup that is a good lineup well i mean we've got peter capaldi and kush jumbo so we don't need to tune in well it's not a competition but you're right we have one yeah this is not this is nothing against your lineup your lineup is fantastic you've done very well you know what i love tfi friday you know i love tfi friday back in the day you know but do you know do you know do you know what um it's a bit like did you watch the big breakfast i'm gonna say probably all watch the big breakfast yes right so big breakfast was the the show wasn't it everyone watched it the big breakfast it was brilliant and then they tried a couple of times to bring that back and it's never worked haven't they and they've done it they've done it you know under the guise of it just being...

53:30I don't know if they've done many. They did a one-off, which was for a specific season of shows on Channel 4, I remember. Right. Which was never particularly designed to be brought back. I think the problem with bringing it is just too expensive. Well, that's what I thought it was. I thought it was brought back under the guise of, oh, if people really like this, then we'll actually bring it back properly. I don't think they ever made it... For a long time, I don't think there's been a concerted effort to bring it back, put it that way. Okay. Because I think it's just too expensive to have a daily morning live show like that with all the production complications.

54:00These things are incredibly expensive. Saturday Night Live is unbelievably expensive just as a side issue. So I don't think that was ever going to happen. So what they've done with this TFI quotes reboot, and there was a reboot of TFI, which I went to see. Did you come to see that with you? Yeah, I've got a picture behind the desk. Yeah, we both went to that, right? Yeah. That was fun. Yeah, that was fun. So they did do a kind of a proper reboot of TFI a few years ago, which was a limited run, I think. I mean, God, I'm trying to remember if there was even more. Was it just a one-off? I think there were a couple of episodes.

54:38But anyway, what this is isn't really, if I may say, a reboot of TFI Friday. This is kind of taking Chris Evans' radio show, isn't it? Yes. and turning which has been happening and which most all radio now is filmed anyway but everything's filmed everything so all podcasts are on are on YouTube now like the ones like our ones which you can get comments from underneath never read the comments but what I'm saying is is that it's not really it's not really the return of TFI Friday no it's they have sort of like tried to recreate the backdrop a bit and this that and the other but no it's not TFI Friday proper but it's an iteration like a it's It's TFI Lite.

55:21Right. I've got some Penelope Wilton news, which I think we can all agree is welcome. So she's teaming up, apparently, with Slow Horse's Jonathan Price for ITV's new powerful drama, Mavis Eccleston. And apparently, Steph, this is based on true life, and it's the story of a woman who became the sole survivor of a joint suicide pact made with her husband of nearly 60 years. and following his death, Mavis was then arrested and charged with his murder. Oh. I think you'll be interested in that. God, that sounds fantastic. Oh, that is welcome news. And great cast, obviously. It's brilliant that Penelope Wilton, you know, at this stage in her career life, is getting lead roles.

56:04She was in Afterlife with Richard Gervais and, you know, he hired her because she was in one of the greatest sitcoms of all time, Everyday Peace and Circles, of course. Yeah. So, yeah, that is brilliant, brilliant news. I wonder how old she is now She's looking at her It's age but It's just a number boy 79 79 With that level of talent It is just Just a number Oh 100 % Yeah Do either of you watch The Rookie? Yes No It's so good Okay well Steph Nathan Fillion You'll be delighted to know It's been Yeah it's been renewed For a ninth series It is a cult phenomenon Isn't it The Rookie? It is a cult James was telling me Apparently he had discovered It was a cult Like loads of tweens Watch it Like But it is Yes I mean Nathan Fillion is wonderful in everything it's just it's fantastic you should watch it what's so good about it?

56:52I suppose I suppose really for me it's all about Nathan Fillion it's just it's kind of you know it's a procedural essentially but it's fun and what's different about it so his sense of humour is different too yeah I think so I think Nathan that's the brilliance of Nathan Fillion with every role he has he can't he's inescapably got a level of humour and he's got funny bones And yeah, and just warmth. He just has a general warmth. I think that's probably the major difference. But yeah, look, it's an easy watch. It's a nice, easy watch. Untaxing. Yes, exactly. Yeah. But yeah, if you don't watch The Rookie, you should watch The Rookie, and now you'll have eight seasons to look forward to, and now a ninth.

57:35So hooray, hooray. Does anyone see the... I know we're all big fans of this person coming up next in the next news story, if I may whet your appetite. for it. You may. I was a bit partridge there, sorry. Yeah, I love it when you go a bit silly Billy. Yeah. Philomena Kunk, right? Oh, Diane Morgan. Yeah, Diane Morgan. See, good reaction. That is so exciting. she's back. Her new series is going to be, so I'm particularly excited because, as you know, I do have a list of my 20, 30 favourite films of all time. And she, her next project is Kunk on Cinema. oh wow right up your street amazing yeah exactly so she will be talking us through the history of cinema oh my gosh Boyd she should interview you well you know it's too late now but I say that I don't know if she's filmed it yet or not I've no idea I'm starting a petition I would love to see you and Philomena in a room hashing it out well this is the official description Concord Cinema will follow Philomena she asks experts about the history of cinema from the invention of the camera to the new wave filmmakers of the 60s, right up to the entrance of CGI and what the future of AI holds.

58:47Kunk will attempt to demystify it all while sitting in lumpy seats with stale popcorn, asking herself, where did cinema come from? And why? What does it want? And why can't it tell us? Do you know what? I'm doing an immediate reverse ferret. And actually, I would love to see Philomena interview James. Oh, yeah. About cinema, about subtitles, about compositing. You know, all the stuff that he loves. Obsessity, yes. Yeah. And all that sound stuff that he's always obsessed about. Sound stage. The sound. Volume stuff. The volume. Yeah. Oh, God, that'd be great. Maybe they've been in touch with him already.

59:22I mean, who knows? Maybe that's where he is now, this week off. He's filming. Oh, secret filming. Guys, this is what's happening. Spread it. Wow. Yeah, it's exciting, isn't it? Yeah. Any more news? I've got one more, actually, which is that legacy of spies, which is the new, it's going to be the new adaptation of the John le Carré spy thriller. I'm very excited about that because it is the return of Smiley. It's the return of John le Carré. His stories are always brilliant. It's got a star-studded cast led by Matthew McFadden, Charlie Hunnam of Queer as Folk, Daniel Brühl with an umlaut. And they're joined by this week, who's the last Dan Stevens is joining in, Felix Camera, et cetera.

1:00:08That is going to be brilliant. Legacy of Spies, BBC MGM Plus co-production, going into production now. Oh, that's great. Something to look forward to probably next year, do you think? At the earliest, I would say, yeah. Yeah, next year. A fair while away. Exciting. Very exciting. Is that it for news? I think that's it for news, babe. We're done. Fair enough. Let's move on to reviews. And where should we start? Shall we start with Mint, which is the only, two of the show, two of the three shows we've been, unusually for us, our second seasons of shows. We try and do going fresh with the newest thing.

1:00:46And talking of freshers, Minty Fresh. Very good, Lloyd. Thank you. The debut series from writer-director Charlotte Regan, who made Scrapper, which was a highly acclaimed indie film. Have either of you seen Scrapper? I have not. Okay. Well, there you go. Is it good? It's very good, yeah. This show stars Emma Laird as 22-year-old Shannon, the daughter of crime boss Dylan, played by Sam Riley, who meets cute, a hunky-looking dude, played by musician Ben Coyolana, best known as Loyal Karner, on a bridge somewhere in a station. Looks a bit like Luton, but he's in fact in Scotland somewhere, I think.

1:01:29It all kicks off from there. Steph? Are you on board with a bit of mint? So this is kind of, you know, this is a very modern day Romeo Juliet type story, isn't it? You know, she's a beautiful young girl who is romanticizing her life and searching for love. He is a very handsome, young, clean cut man. And I don't want to give away the, I don't want to make any spoilers here, but she's from a prominent Scottish crime family. And it would be absolutely terrible if she met and fell in love with somebody who wasn't suitable. I think we're allowed to say. Are we allowed to say that? Yeah, I think so.

1:02:11It's in the official plot description. Okay, fine. So then she meets, as you said, there's a meet you on opposing platforms of a train station. and sparks fly. And when I say sparks, I mean literal sparks. Because they actually, you actually get to see sparks because they intercut the scenes with sparks and like nice bits of like, you know, light around people. And sorry, I'm getting to the point of that. I found that quite hard to watch. That's a big question, isn't it? Yeah. Right. So I want to really like and enjoy this. I don't know whether I just found all the it felt a bit like they threw a lot at it in terms of that kind of production of like there's a there's a scene in the in in the first episode where she's thinking about she's in bed and she's thinking about this boy and it's you know she's having you know lovely thoughts about him and everything.

1:03:17I love your description of this But she's having I don't know She's having lovely thoughts It's a lengthy It's a lengthy scene It's quite drawn out That scene wasn't it Yeah And then they come in And there's an arrest She's just thinking about him She's having a nice time With herself She's having a She is She's dealing with herself Let's just put it that way She's dealing with herself She's getting the job done A bit of self love She's getting the job done I admire what they're trying To do with this It has Very It's got very much a feel of, I don't know how to put this, and I don't want to sound horrible, because I think what they're trying to do is really lovely, but I found it difficult to watch and follow the story and keep my interest up when dramatic scenes were intercut with these devices.

1:04:04Does either of you know what I mean? It's just, I found that hard. There are flights of fantasy. I think they're calling it magic realism, magical realism. whereby and this is a film scrapper the film had had a bit of this in it as well so it's her thing it's charlotte regan um as a filmmaker's big thing i think is to have moments where which seem fantastical and so you get people kind of flying or kind of rising up into the air you get the sparks flying when the handsome man walks by them which is a device i've seen quite a few times um recently and you get her and you get different film stock almost of when they're having when when they're having their little fantasy moments she's dreaming about him as you say and then it kind of all gets very vivid vivid lighting and different and a different kind of film stock to get technical about it like it's almost like but so yeah she does stuff that's out of out of this world while telling a really realistic story a story of social realism if you like sorry to to interrupt but that's right that's roughly what is happening and and the big question i think is do we is that do we like that thing or is it a bit of a gimmick you know what's how do we feel?

1:05:11And judging from the sound of it, you aren't entirely on board with those moments, those fantastical moments. I think I want to be on board with it because I love the idea of this story, but I think it's not for me, but that's not to say it won't be for other people. I found inserting the magical realism, I found for me, it jarred and it stunted my enjoyment of the story. But that isn't to say that's not because I'm just so used to watching things which are linear in their narrative. And I probably just couldn't appreciate it for what it was because if I had I known going into it, oh, I'm going to be, I need to fully immerse myself into this world of magical realism.

1:05:50Maybe I'd have a different take on it, but just in general, I didn't enjoy, it didn't make me want to watch any more of it. Whereas if it was just a linear narrative of a story about a girl from a Scottish crime family who'd fallen in love with a boy who was, she wasn't allowed to fall in love with, I think personally, I would have enjoyed that more but I do really appreciate filmmakers trying to do something different um so I don't want it to come off as a negative because it's not a negative it's just a very personal opinion about my level of enjoyment and what I'm used to watching and enjoy watching I would usually be in Steph's camp because you know I quite like I as you say I quite like it just a straight drama but for some reason I really got on board with it I don't know what happened yeah I really enjoyed it i think it's because i i feel like we've seen a lot of crime dramas and i think she was you know and i have read so i reviewed this for boyd and i read an interview with uh charlotte regan so i got to understand a bit more what she was trying to do with this and i just think it's like feels like a fresh take on something we've seen a lot you know in terms of a crime drama so first of all the fact that um it's not just like the men aren't at the center of this you know usually with these crime dramas you have these really sort of um strong uh domineering men quite violent at the center of it but this is focused all about the women in this crime family so it's got the young girl uh shannon played by emma laird who is this as steph said it is like a criminal romeo and juliet where she's full you know star-crossed lovers fallen for someone from a rival crime family will it will it work you know she hopes it will but there's a lot stacked against them and then you've got the mum played by Laura Fraser who has sort of bought into this life from a very young age.

1:07:38She met her husband Dylan and she's grown up with it and this is just, you know, the criminal aspect of life is just what she's put up with and has become a part of but that's, I think over the series that will change, they're gonna, that's gonna unravel for her and it's gonna make her question, you know, her relationship with Dylan and then you've got the brilliant grandma, right, who is like, uh lindsey duncan plays her and she is potty mouth she is horny she's gun-toting i love that character i think she's really fun so i think just in the characters alone like i'm putting the female stories at the center of it it felt different and fresh um and then the magical realism which i just thought was quite sweet and again sort of elevated it from what i'm used to seeing so yeah i'm i was as surprised by that my reaction to it as um you steph will be but I actually really enjoyed it and I just and I just found it exciting to watch yeah I think you've opened your heart to the magical realism in a way that I haven't whereas I found it distracting and I want to be the person who's opened myself to the magical realism so I will watch another episode of it but you are a very closed in person you don't like to I am I am I won't let the magic in I just absolutely won't yeah void yes I am fascinated by this show because it's first of all I think it's absolutely brilliant that this is going out on BBC One on Monday, today, Monday, as this comes out, at nine o 'clock.

1:09:04You cannot get more prime time for what is a quite weird kind of out there thing, which even if you kind of forget about the magical realism stuff, which is kind of part of its whole DNA, it's still quite a bold telling of a Romeo and Juliet-style story, you know, in and of itself. And I think it's brilliant. I think the BBC, for starters, there's a huge amount of credit for giving Charlotte Regan the freedom to do this show and not only commission it and make it and give it the budget it needs. Because this can't – this is – you know, there's a lot of quite ambitious – every shot in this programme is striking.

1:09:46And there's brilliant, like, location work, incredible shots. And there's, you know, there's a bit – there's CGI, as we've said. There's different film stocks and different types of ambitious visuals. And it's all, you know, it can't have been cheap. It's all filmed beautifully and brilliantly. And it's going at prime time, as I said. It's fantastic that it's happening. Because also, she's a working class, a proper working class talent. And you very rarely get this type of story of working class people on TV, still vanishingly small number of shows like this written and creative and produced by someone working class and so all of that is brilliant i i'm not i i thought i think i think because i've seen scrapper with her film where there is a lot of this stuff similar stuff happening in scrapper you know like the cloudy wallpaper will start moving and stuff like that so it is her thing And I think she's almost like saying gritty kind of real stories with working class origins needn't have to be kind of grey, grim, and gritty.

1:10:51Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And that seems to be the impetus behind it. Dower. She's like fighting a one-woman war against Dower. I like that, though. I think that's too. Completely. I think it's brilliant. I'm not 100 % convinced. I'm slightly in between you two. So I'm not 100 % convinced that – I think sometimes it slows down the story when she does it in this show. Whereas I think in the film, it's easier to get away with it. This is a six-part show, and I think sometimes, like, it just didn't need to have those moments. And yet, at the same time, I think I defend her right absolutely, and I defend the creative decisions to have them, because she's giving herself her own style and her own – and it does elevate it to being something different.

1:11:35That's the thing. Yeah. It's refreshingly different. Yeah, it's refreshing. So I'm fully behind it. As a viewing experience, I have some doubts about it. In this case, Mint is on BBC One today, Monday the 20th of April, nine o 'clock, and I think it will be on the iPlayer as well, no doubt, and there you go. Moving on to we've had the Mint. now it's time for the beef Kay did you watch season one of Beef? not that it matters because it's a whole different story and with completely new characters and completely new setting anyway. So I actually didn't and I've been meaning to and this is really sort of like giving me the boot up the bum to do it because I really enjoyed this episode that I watched for the second series so as Boyd says you don't need to have watched the first series to enjoy this because it's a stand alone story this this whole show reminds me of the white lotus in tone and feel because it is set in a luxury establishment which is catering for the elite it's a country club and um carrie mulligan and oscar isaac's character um oscar's character he works there he's like the manager and he's jumping through hoops because the billionaire owner is coming to visit and he's trying to impress them and his wife who is a ostensibly an interior designer um is trying to help him with that but is also deeply frustrated in their relationship so they are dysfunctional um past issues are surfacing she feels um annoyed that um things in their personal life are unfinished and that he's constantly focused on work and she feels that her needs and her ambitions are unmet and he equally is frustrated with her and so it's just it's a bubbling hot pot of tension and um passive aggression and then on the other side you have the character of ashley who's this young woman who works for the country club and her boyfriend who is an outworked fitness trainer and they're at the beginning stages of their relationship so it's very idealized and you know they're obsessed with each other they you know he is deeply in touch with his emotions and overthinks everything to do with their relationship and they're all both sets of like couples are working for the man and are like you know um trying to sort of have aspirations of you know social elevation but they're both in the same situation of like they are just working and trying to make ends meet and trying to survive and it's all about this uh older couple having this tense standoff, which is witnessed by this younger couple who then don't know what to do about it.

1:14:19They don't know whether to call the police because they sense that Kerry Mulligan is in danger. They've taken a video of the events and it's about how that story then unfolds of what they do or don't do and how the couple, how Oscar Isaac, who has witnessed them being there, how he handles the situation and tries to shut it all down. I just really liked it. Like I said, it reminded me of The White Lotus. I think the characters are so well drawn you can empathise with both sets you can see that the older couple have battle scars of their relationship probably shouldn't be together but are trying to survive an awful level of dysfunction but you can see how they've got to that place and then you can see from the younger couple's point of view how they just don't want that future they cannot see beyond their new romance and the first flushes of youth and love to see any other side of it other than this is really bad we need to intervene um but yeah it's going to be interesting like it's it's it's tense it's awkward it's um it's really well done and it's beautifully shot so i really liked it oh my god i'm gonna i'm gonna be you know how james has got that thing where he cannot like he can't bear cringe comedy right and you you've said the two were right tense and awkward now I think 100 % this is going to get better and better and it and absolutely this is a great show but I found it so I found it so uncomfortable because I couldn't bear I mean I don't like confrontation at all I'm not a confrontational person I hate arguing anything like that and I just found it so it's so a show called beef exactly it's like and that's why I didn't watch the first beef because I watched the first episode of beef which uh the first season with Ali Wong and it's about it's actually about a real life event where there was the road rage incident and I watched the first episode of that I was like oh this is not for me I can't because I find too stressful it's I find it really stressful watching people argue and my god Oscar Isaac and Carey Mulligan they absolutely go at it and it's a brilliant the fight scene between them the continued argument they kind of go from one room in the house the other room in the house and it's um off the back they've just had this fundraiser for frogs to save the frogs at their country yeah that's and it opens it's and the observations about the elite oh oh it's you know the satire is good yeah the the dark comedy of it is incredible um but as you put it so well they're both these two couples you've got this young couple and you know from the outset their their love is going to be corrupted in some way because they're dealing with the social inequalities and the hierarchy and this other couple are in the upper echelons, dealing with the upper echelons of society.

1:17:04And it's just, they're similar. These two couples are so similar in the fact that they're, you know, they once used to be in love. They're just at different stages of the process, right? Yes, I know. And it's just, it's so upsetting to watch. It's really uncomfortable, but that is testament to how brilliant. I mean, I haven't seen Carrie Mulligan in anything for ages and I could almost have forgotten what an unbelievably incredible dramatic actress she is because she just makes me feel so upset. In this scene where she's screaming at him and the things that she's saying to him, you feel so embedded in the midst of the relationship, the misery of their relationship.

1:17:47And then obviously when they realize that they've been filmed, the scene that comes after they're realising they've been filmed, there's a bit of comedy. And it is very darkly comic, isn't it? Oh, yeah. But, my God, I just found it. I was like, I cannot watch this. I can't watch it. It's just too... Wait a minute. This is even worse than James. James can't watch half the things on TV because of, you know, he's a grinch. You can't watch it for conflict. You have to avoid conflict. I mean, doesn't that rule out like every drama ever made? No, do you know what it is? It's specific. No, what I'm saying is this is so honed in on a couple's extended argument.

1:18:24That scene is such a long scene. It's really uncomfortable. It's brilliant. It's absolutely brilliant. It feels like succession in that way. Yes. And you know when you want like, but I, like I, in real life, obviously hate conflict, but I, do you know, I don't know why I'm so relaxed watching it. Maybe it's because I know it's not my own life. Of course it is. But for me, it just felt, it felt like it felt really real. I felt like I was in the room with these people whilst they were having this really intimate argument about the state of their marriage. Mummy and Daddy are fighting. Yeah. And I was like, oh God, this is so, but like I say, I'm going to say it again.

1:18:55It's testament to how brilliant the acting is because it felt so real and raw. And there's a bit in it where she goes to him, I, I hate you. And it's just, oh my God. It just feels, it does feel very Mummy and Daddy's fighting. It really just, yeah. But it's brilliant. And I enjoyed it in the fact that it's a fantastic story. And towards the end, you see how, like I said, you see how these young couple come to a realisation that, God, life isn't fair. And actually, we should try and do something about this. And you think, oh, God, the corruption of their young innocence. They've got a bit of clout now.

1:19:34They've got their own straight of Hormuz. Yeah. Brilliant. Yes, they have. Did I ever think that was going to get mentioned in the pod? No, I did not. But yeah, it's, but it is uncomfortable to watch. It is uncomfortable to watch. Yeah, that's the whole thing, yeah. You didn't watch the first season, did you say? I watched the first episode. Like I said, I watched the first episode. And then I didn't carry on because I can't take it. I can't take like one continuous argument for like eight episodes. It's funny you should say that, but you can't take it for eight episodes because you've watched the first episode, right?

1:20:09Yes. Well episode 2 Without wanting to spoil it At the end of episode 2 Is a whole new thing It's a whole new thing What a huge new level of attention Huge new It's a whole different thing I'm so excited Yeah So you need to kind of Carry on watching it At least And you'll see that It's not just What you This story brilliantly Is not just what you think it is From the set up From the first set up It then goes down another road Which is extraordinary The final scene of episode two is absolutely incredible. Yeah. I love it when you do this. I love it when you flag that we should continue. It's a flag.

1:20:46I'm flagging. Yeah. It's a big thing. Yeah. Oh, I'm not, I'm definitely going to keep watching it. I have to just deal with my own. Steal yourself. Yeah, because it's, I can appreciate it. This is going to be a great show. This is going to be fantastic. It's already a great show for me. I don't think, you talk about Carey Mulligan, brilliant, because she was in The Ballad of Thingy, What's It? Absolutely fantastic. Wallace Island. Yeah. I need to see that. Yeah, exactly. Kay's long, dark journey into the soul of trying to find a screen to watch it at. Famously, I don't think she or Oscar Isaac have been better, ever been better than that.

1:21:22They are so brilliant in this show. He, in particular, I think, because I feel like I'm kind of used to him being in Star Wars and being a kind of big macho hero figure. He's so reduced, isn't he? Like a man. And he's enthralled to her to some extent, frustrated with her. In his work, he's kind of asked to deal with absolutely brilliant boss. Frustrating himself. Frustrating himself, exactly, to Chairwoman Park, who is the owner of the country club, who is brilliantly played by Yoon Yoo-jung, who is fantastic. And she has this assistant who has to kind of like magically work out every single thing she wants to do.

1:22:02All of that. The relationship between the assistant and the privileged person has never been more brilliantly drawn as it is in the show as well. I love all that stuff. And then you've got the young couple who are fantastic as well. Charles Melton is hilarious as this kind of would-be personal trainer. And it just captures that disconnect between these two young people in this age of mobile phones and social media and smartphones. And just like they're both doing their own shit. Hyper-communicative, like so connected. Yeah, and yet not because they kind of do their own shit and they kind of get annoyed with each other when they interrupt each other doing their own things, which are inevitably to do with, you know, TikTok or whatever the hell they're doing.

1:22:42It just feels so on the button. And, I mean, I love season one. The whole point of it is that these are stories united by the idea that when human beings get into conflict, it can get out of hand so quickly. The phrase that escalated quickly is made for these shows, these stories. But what's brilliant about season one was fantastic, and it just went to the end of the extreme of what could happen if these two people in this road rage incident that you referred to, Steph. But this has much more going on than that, even. I think that's a really clever thing by the creator, Lee Seung-jin, to do is to bring another thing, an element into it.

1:23:25As I say, I keep referring to it at the end of episode two. So it's absolutely brilliant. And the other thing is there's a character played by Song Kang Ho, who is Chairwoman Park's associate figure. If you recognize him, he's in Parasite. He's the lead in Parasite, and he's an absolutely brilliant actor as well. And he comes into it more as time goes on. I won't say much more for spoiling it. I think it's phenomenal. I think it's absolutely brilliant, even better than season one. And, yeah, it's all out on Netflix now, I believe. Yes, it all dropped. As a vegetarian, I love beef. oh yeah beef oh we're all vegetarians on here aren't we well let's not get to that okay okay yeah he's partial to chicken but he's largely a vegetarian i do not refer to myself as a vegetarian let me be absolutely clear i refer to myself i'm a i eat pescatarian yeah i eat fish and chicken sometimes okay you're not you're not i just only read me

1:24:26many many times I can't believe I always do you know what for all these years that I've known you which is probably nearly 20 years I thought you were a vegetarian this whole time why is that that's the image he likes to put out there but anyway yes anyway moving on to the final show we're reviewing this week you've heard them you've heard them being interviewed Peter Capaldi and Chris Jumbo and now we've got season two of the show they are two kind of like rival or two frenemy police people, police people, police investigators. Detectives. Detectives. Yeah, detectives. Season one was all about, could she trust him?

1:25:05Is he to be trusted? Is he breaking the law and getting what he wants out of this case? And she's trying to stay on the right side of morality, and there was a whole clash between the two of them and how that would resolve itself. And now in season two, they're kind of brought together on a case where he wants to kind of get help from her, really, in sorting out his new drive to investigate the death of a young man in a hideous rally, a kind of right-wing rally coming to conflict with another demonstration in the centre of London. And there's a death and it affects everyone profoundly, particularly Kshumbo, and it all kicks off from there, doesn't it, Steph?

1:25:44What did you think? Oh, I love this. You know what? I'm so annoyed that I hadn't watched Criminal Record Season 1 and I am going to go back and watch Criminal Record Season 1. Yeah, I'm surprised too. I don't know. I think it just somehow it passed me by. I'm not sure what I was doing. Something definitely not as worthwhile as watching Criminal Record Series 1 because this is absolutely right up my street. Peter Capaldi is so magnetic on screen. I can't ask this because she absolutely. And there's a scene where they meet, which I think is kind of third of the way through this first episode. And just the dialogue between the two of them in this scene in the coffee shop is incredible.

1:26:20and I god what is Peter Capaldi's level of screen presence is is kind of unparalleled isn't it like you he's so uniquely watchable and you're just so drawn into his words I first thought you find yourself just watching his mouth because everything he's saying is just oh it was delivered so beautifully I love the premise of this whole thing so it opens on the rally scene and then quickly escalates quickly and unfortunately someone as they kind of disperse it's revealed that someone has actually lost their life and then Kush's character has to go to the family and it's you know it sadly it's a kind of indictment of a situation we are in a lot of the time in this country at the moment where things escalate quickly and rallies and people there are just a couple of bad people at a well-intentioned rally and it all goes fucking wrong anyway absolutely love this I love anything where you're not quite sure who's on the right side because you're not like with Peter Cavalde you're like so you're you're in this yourself but you need something from her but I don't know whether you're entirely how much of a slippery snake are you yes and I love that I I love a slow kind of unraveling of a web of deceit in anything um I I don't have I have no notes for this but I do you know what was really annoying is I wanted to go and on pilot plus somebody recommended to us that if you wanted if you hadn't watched the first season of something you could go um on YouTube and I was like oh I'm gonna go on YouTube so I've got that and it on this thing called binge bot and I was like right I'm gonna go and look on binge bot and see what the season one was all about because when I was reading about it it was really hard to kind of extrapolate what it was all about but it was just you know webs of deceit here and this person thought that this person was doing something wrong and then you know that wrongly convicted people and all that which again right up my street so there's a the end of this episode as well is fantastic I think what happens at the end of this episode is not what you obviously not what you expect and then it makes you question even more what you originally thought halfway through the episode so yeah I'm saying all this in a very mysterious way as so as not to give it away but again has my favorite device which all of these things have which is um Kush's character is haunted by an old case from the requisite, I think, 10 to 16 years ago.

1:28:41Usually it's like eight, 10 to 16 years ago. And she gets up her phone and she sees, and she's looking at old reels and stuff. So yeah, it's brilliant. Absolutely loved it. Okay. Did you see season one? No, I didn't. I watched the first episode. I think we reviewed the first episode and I found it too stressful. Oh my God, this is so funny. Like me, on a case, stress levels are very, you know. There's a lot of wuss action going on at the moment. Oh yeah. Wow. And I think there were some other shows that I just kind of prioritised, but I recognised at the time, and I think we reviewed it and said it was brilliant, as Steph has said, for all the reasons Steph has said.

1:29:17I just, I really like the two central characters. And like you said, Steph, it's very hard for me, having not seen season one particularly, but I knew there was conflict between them. I knew there was a sort of uneasy friendship between them. Where Kush was on the back foot. But it's very interesting to watch this dynamic and how much and how they sort of need each other. But because she's, you know, all June, her DS June is reluctant to trust him. But like I said, they have to rely on each other to a certain degree and watching that play out. So, yeah. And I thought it was very realistic. So the beginning scenes of the rallies and how it escalates, as we've seen on the news.

1:30:01And I've got a member of my family deals with that situation when those rallies happen in London. And actually, it gave me a newfound sort of understanding of what they put themselves through, the danger that comes with it, the sort of the high level of planning involved and the need to make decisions in that split second. Yeah, I thought it was very well done and felt very authentic. oh i was it really the whole scene of the um rally and then the counter demonstration and the and the conflict and the the fighting that that whole sequence was like brilliantly done and i was really i'm fascinated how it must be a nightmare doing those things i had because if it's so real that you think like there's a riot going on around the corner and they must be able to how they block off the area where they're filming and how they well off off off pod i'll tell you all about it a lot of planning goes into it and stress and management and, you know.

1:30:56Oh, I meant as much about the filming. I meant the filming. Oh, right. As the actual thing. No, the actors, the actual events, which are extraordinary, stress on the police, et cetera. But I'm talking about filming it. Like how - Oh, like blocking off the streets. Yeah. People are flinging themselves at each other. I mean, just in terms of camera angles and stuff like that, how do you get into the mellow? Yeah, just sort of staging a right-wing counter rally in the middle of central London on location when you're making a drama. just that whole task is like being really difficult fraught with you know dangers in itself and then you've got the actual and that's the drama yeah I'm fascinated by the drama and how they make it and the ambition it is the whole show brilliantly rests on this constantly evolving shape-shifting relationship with Peter Capaldi and Cush Jumbo's characters and you know season one was all about you know what to what extent can she trust him and can you know what what are they both prepared to do to get what they want in their in their cases how far do you push things in terms of you know breaking the law and being maverick detectives etc but and it was what was i think unique and brilliant about it was that it did all that which is all quite you know that's grist to the mill for every other prime show out there but this was so well done that you really you really believed in it and it had an authenticity to it.

1:32:19The use of the London locations and the characters seemed very real. Even the kind of, you know, the bad guys versus the good guys. Often the bad guys weren't as bad as you thought they would be or had reasons to be bad and the good guys were worse than you thought they would be. It did all of that really well. I just thought it was just so well done. And of course, these two brilliant actors at the centre of it who are both fantastic. Capaldi's, like the season one started this brilliant sequence, which I think is one of the best openings to a show for years which is him him in this driving and looking after this couple and telling him and they're wanting stories about him he told them that he's working security for them but he's also a cop and they were like and the whole thing was brilliantly done driving through this London at night and him telling them about the deaths that he'd had to deal with it was brilliant anyway this carries on and I think it's really good now I have one I do have one note do you have no notes?

1:33:11I have one no I said I said no notes so I do have one note and I wonder if your one note it's going my my note is that they put something in the eye and maybe you can tell me this is necessary I did I really don't like in this you find this device in a lot of kind of cop shows the cops always always always have to be in therapy with their partner and I I just find that a bit annoying you know I don't I don't think this needs it she doesn't need to you know be in therapy with a partner and they always do that they always always now have this scene you know someone's coming out of the house and they're obviously they're going to therapy and then they do the scene on the sofa and then they talk about it afterwards I just feel I just don't I don't want any more of those I would defend that on the grounds that no no no it is a scene we've seen a lot before you're right I think what's good I think what's good about it and that and this is typical of the whole show really apart from my one caveat which I'll come to is that that I think the scenes afterwards were pleasantly not what you expect them to be.

1:34:14You know, they're not having a go at each other. They actually, it's almost like the therapy worked, didn't it? They had a nice stroll in the park. Yeah, it was almost pedestrianised. Yeah, yeah. And the way they deal with the kid, you know, wanting to move in with his dad. I think the insights into her private life are quite cleverly done and quite, you know, they don't take over the whole show, but I do feel they're quite real. I believe in that. I believe in, I know we've seen it before, but I believe in this version of what we've seen before. Okay, well, that's a good point. I just think I would like, you know, every single cop we see, none of them have, everybody has to be in therapy.

1:34:49Like they always have. Well, everyone should be in therapy. But I think what's good about this, and I do recognize it's a device that's used a lot, is that rather than ramming loads of information in it, like to explain the situation and give all this background detail, exposition it doesn't do that which i quite liked it was quite brief yeah it was brief it was it i suppose we watched something a while back where i felt like it was really labored and it was a massive part of that that detectives that you know they have they can only be good at the job if everything else is you know if everything else at home is failing and it's all you know because they're putting their life's work into it and i suppose yeah maybe i'm just a little bit fatigued with that no i'm absolutely pro-therapy i absolutely agree with you everyone should be in therapy but in terms of the drama i think i'm a bit fatigued with that device boy what's your beef with this my beef is my um slight note is that in i don't know how many episodes you watch but there's a character played by dustin denry burns who is a kind of like cross between tucker carlson russell brand piers morgan oh your favorite people all my favorite people he is he's like a right wing online personality making his own show right and we see him more in episode 2 than episode 1 we see him doing his stuff and in the studio and talking his nonsense and his group that he's part of this right wing group is part of the whole central storyline and I don't I don't buy his character.

1:36:35I don't buy this character yet. And it's a really hard thing to do because we know of examples of these people who have become hugely successful, influential, online, now mainly online people. Actually, Piers Morgan, I wouldn't include any more in this group because I think he's kind of redeemed himself quite a lot with the way his online show deals with issues. But I'm talking about these real online activists who are talking absolute nonsense, conspiracy theorists, exploiting people's weaknesses literally in this story. Banging all about Flat Earth and all that kind of rubbish. Flat Earth or more, it's more, you know, racist theories, anti-Semitism theories, all of that.

1:37:16Conspiracy theories. And I just think that's a really hard thing to pull off to create a character who is a bit like all these people we know and have heard of in the Manosphere and all of that and to actually successfully bring it off. And it's such a well-judged show. it's so you know it never got it never really sinks into melodrama or at least that that character stands out to me as one i don't quite buy and you know it might just be me you might you might go along with it but as it goes on you see more and more of him and i'm like wait are you saying he's heightened not really because in a way they those characters those people are heightened right they themselves are caricatures of themselves absolutely exactly so it's valid i'm not so i'm not criticizing the performance by the way because i think dust and every bones is always great and everything and he's clearly been there's a reason why he's doing it in that way but i just i don't know i just kind of slightly i just didn't buy his character it's just yeah one of those things you bumped against him i bumped against him yeah but i may i may be one round who knows um but it's it's it's a fantastic it's a really good week and it's another really well-made season after the excellent season one.

1:38:28I'm excited because James has seen the whole series and he's very excited to talk about it. So next week you will be getting, I'm sure, a full rundown of his thoughts. Yeah, James was gutted because he has watched all of this, obviously, well in advance when it arrived on our Apple TV portals, preview portals, and was desperate to bang on about it. But he decided to take the week off. He even suggested that we delay the review to when he comes back. I mean the whole thing is centered around him well you should do a spoiler special what a demon sounds like it warrants it you should do a capture and criminal record spoiler special yes maybe one day we will that's it for reviews this week I'm looking at the also on section I'm just balancing my laptop which has this information on it on my on my lap you haven't got a mag in front of you we're not doing the classic Russell exactly it's Tuesday I haven't had a chance to get the mag yeah oh god But what I will say is other stuff coming out this week includes Running Point Season 2, this is a Netflix show.

1:39:29Running Point. Yeah. You know I love Kate Hudson, Running Point. We all love Kate Hudson. Yes, controversial stuff. I watched Series 1, a lot of Series 1. I did not find it funny. As funny as it should be. Right. You know when I have my tonsillectomy, right, I said afterwards that I watched some shows which I was deeming recovery shows, right, shows that you can watch when you're you know you're you're you've taken drugs exactly right and you don't actually have to pay them that much attention to them so just easy to watch and i watched the whole first season running point and the reason why i found that so enjoyable is you don't really have to watch it very much do you know what i mean you don't really but did you actively not like it i just do you know what it does sorry boyd i just derailed you i just with the people involved like you thought and co-creative with mindy you know mindy's going It's going to be amazing.

1:40:21But I think what I'm increasingly finding is that I'm less a fan of, like, I don't think, I've expected it to be much, much funnier than it was and consistently funny. And yeah, it felt a bit predictable. But anyway, sorry, boys. Oh, it's 100 % predictable. Everything in it was completely predictable. Absolutely everything. But yeah, that's why I've resigned it to recovery television. I love her. So I will watch anything she's in. It's also got Justin Theroux in it, of course, as well, who I love so equally. He's just not listening to us. It's literally just what we just said. Justin Theroux who is yeah and he is a drug addict it's almost hitting two hours now I mean and also I am trying to balance my laptop on my laptop and look at what else is out this week Steph it's a tough job okay I'm just saying maybe it's time to invest in a lap tray is what I'd say I mean you could be right yes there's also this thing called Kevin which is an adult animated show about a house cat called Kevin which is interesting because it's got quite a good voice cast Amy Sedaris is in Aubrey Plaza, created by Aubrey Plaza and other people.

1:41:25And obviously, famously, we have a bit of an antipathy towards, at least I do, animated stuff at James' which is really unfair and ridiculous. Completely unfair. What's interesting is this is an animated show about Kat and Ricky Gervais' new project, which is all being, which is talked about, he's ready to arrive on Netflix soon. They're just doing all the different versions of it around the world they have to do for the, but that show is all about a gang of cats as well. so animation and cast oh my god it's a big year for that okay there's a show called Saint Pierre on You and Alibi on Thursday which is a death in paradise is it actually in the death in paradise universe okay oh okay no no not at all it's just got the actress who was in death in paradise oh okay fine Josephine Gilbert there you go excellent The Cage starts on Sunday on BBC One which is the new Sheridan Smith drama we probably could have done that but that I think is embargo too which we'll probably do the next week.

1:42:19Showed us with Michael Socha. Oh, love him. I believe are in that. And then he says, scrabbling around to look. I think he's called him Michael Socha. It's Socha, is it? I've been calling him Michael Socha his whole life. Cage, do you know? Have you hosted a Q &A with him? Not yet, no. Okay. I'm doing the Cage screening, but I don't know if he's going to be there. Please. If he is, I will get that breaking news. Socha or Socha, please, I'd like to know. Unchosen a big new Netflix drama with Asa Butterfield and others about cult religion which I've seen quite a lot of that starts tomorrow Tuesday the 21st which is an unusual release day for a Netflix show and was embargoed till that day one day out we could have reviewed it today but it was one day out the embargo on that there's an animated Stranger Things spin-off that starts on the 23rd it's a big week for animated stuff and on Friday Richard Gad's new project, his first project since Baby Reindeer, the huge phenomenon, arrives on the iPlayer.

1:43:20This is iPlayer first. This is, again, to fans of unusual release plans, his show Half Man arrives on the iPlayer, episode one, on Friday, this Friday. It then goes the following week to Tuesday night on BBC One. And it's only on weekly, even on iPlayer, it's on weekly. So it's just a bizarre schedule. But I've seen all of it, and I can't say because it's embargoage, but again we'll do that we'll cover that in the next episode i'm sure and of course uh mine too with him will be out in the podcast as well that's about it what has been what is our fucking pick of the week so mine is beef but i want to give special mention to mint for being uh different yeah it's beef the beef the beef is one it's the it's the i'm gonna say i'm it's really hard i beat crim i really enjoyed criminal record but i probably would be beef just because I'm putting aside My being uncomfortable With people Shouting at each other Very loudly Well done For a long time How have we somehow Managed to make this Even longer than When James does it I don't know I don't know That's I can only apologise Anyway You've both been brilliant Thank you very much Steph and Kay Thank you Boyd for hosting I've been Boyd And we'll be back next week Under the return Of the fascistic Detitorial regime Yeah And I will miss Kay And I feel very sad About that But No, enjoy the peace.

1:44:44We'll all be back. No, I will feel very sad. See you then. Pilot out.