Rooster, Gone, and The Capture. With guests Kurt and Wyatt Russell

6:21Kurt Russell:Well, okay, what else are you going to do? You know, just like send in a photo of your bottom and you expect casting directors to believe that is your bottom. They need to see it in real life.

6:28Wyatt Russell:I don't, I think they extrapolate. I think they imagine what they think the bottom will look like and they cast on that basis. And then if the bottom doesn't live up to expectations, that's when your stunt bottom comes in. Oh, wait a minute. I thought you were about to say they sack you if your bottom isn't up to it. I mean, they might do. I think...

6:45Kurt Russell:Could you imagine the shame? could you imagine the shame of going on set you've got the whole crew around and then they're like someone's whispering and they're saying that bottom is shit and it's got to go and they've got to get a stunt bottom

6:58Wyatt Russell:we really need to get hold of what's his name from what's his name the actor you said again?

7:03Kurt Russell:Luke Thompson do you know what? I dream of getting hold of him

7:06Wyatt Russell:I'm sure I've asked I mean I often ask about Scenes of Intimacy because I think it's you do actually it's one of my stock he loves it it's always fascinating but what I don't think I can't remember asking about whether actors actually show off their wares before filming begins to make it clear there cannot be a bum veracity test it definitely used to be it definitely used to be I've definitely read interviews with people where they say you have to get your bit set to show it's what the director wants now obviously now we're living in different times and that probably is against... But my only counter to that is, as I say, if everyone's in agreement this is a thing that is useful for the show, including the actor, then I think it may well still happen.

7:57Wyatt Russell:I don't know.

7:57Kurt Russell:One thing's for sure. We've got to get to the bottom of this. Oh, my God.

8:01Wyatt Russell:Oh, my God.

8:02Kurt Russell:But, okay, that's one of the main reasons to watch this because he is so gorgeous and there's like a great front-on scene and they have a bath. Front-on scene, did you say? A front on scene. Yeah, because it's not a full frontal.

8:16Wyatt Russell:Oh, I thought that was your nice way of putting it. No, no.

8:19Kurt Russell:It's just, oh God, it's so... I think it's as steamy as ever and it's wondrous.

8:25Wyatt Russell:This is insight into Steph's wank bank that I just never really need it. I do not. Frankly, it's upsetting.

8:32Kurt Russell:It is exciting when you're watching it though and you're like, oh, Luke Thompson.

8:35Wyatt Russell:Do you watch producing with Mr. Steph, like with Leanne George?

8:38Kurt Russell:Oh God, we had a terrible thing. It feels like more of a solo activity. You know, no. He put the Netflix on. And I was like, no, no, no, please don't watch Bridgerton. This is Steph's special alone time. Yeah, but I'm not ready.

8:52Wyatt Russell:So he does watch Bridgerton. No, it's hilarious. Bridgerton?

8:55Kurt Russell:So we had one of those arguments that sometimes couples have where I was like, don't. And he was like, I'm not waiting for you. And I was like, you will wait for me. You will wait. And then it turns out. To watch Bridgerton. To watch Bridgerton. Then it turns out he was like, oh. He was like, no, I just realised. I hadn't watched the second and third series. So late night, all I'm hearing now, when I'm putting Gracie to bed, is him watching Bridgerton alone to get up to the season that I'm on. Suspicious.

9:27Wyatt Russell:I don't even know what to do with this information. Though I enjoy that this is the medium whereby you are explaining to your husband how he has to delay his own pleasure. That's lovely.

9:35Kurt Russell:No, it is, absolutely. You can't, if you decide to watch something together, you've got to watch it together, okay? Anyway, I like to watch Bridgerton on my own. Well, Luke and I have just got a special pond that needs to be served alone. Anyway, it's wonderful. And yeah, I thoroughly recommend you delve in.

9:52Wyatt Russell:I bet you do.

9:53Kurt Russell:I do.

9:54Wyatt Russell:Here's a question. I'm still fascinated by this subject. Is there more male butt action than female, say, boob action?

10:01Kurt Russell:Yes, there is. Which is interesting, isn't it? There is a nipple situation. I feel like there was a lot of talk about what was termed the pinnacle. so there was a lot of talk about female orgasms but there wasn't, there's not been there has been not as much flesh revealed female, there's been more male flesh which I'm delighted about.

10:23Wyatt Russell:I was talking to somebody who works in TV the other day who, shall remain nameless, who said that a producer will not have naked boobage in any of their shows. They won't. There is a naked boobage in this. Well a particular producer Yes. That you're just not going to name. Okay that's fine. And they banned boobage in their shows. They just don't want to have boobage in any of their shows but they will have. They're fine with a male buttage. I think that's fine. There's a distinction there. Which is interesting.

10:50Kurt Russell:We'll come on to this a little bit more later because this is something I want to talk about because I feel like there's been a real shift actually in the fact that I'm seeing more male... Look at her little face. Her whole face is lit up. No, I think this is true. Isn't it interesting?

11:05Wyatt Russell:It's weird how boobage has become slightly unexpected. When you see it now, I think it was in Lena Dunham. certainly in girls I mean copious amounts of girls mainly her own but I think it's shocking when that happens I think it's much more shocking now to see bare boobage than it is in almost anything else really

11:24Kurt Russell:I was shocked to see this nipple actually in Bridgerton but as I've said I was delighted to see every part of Luke that I possibly could and please do get him in so I can tell him

11:34Wyatt Russell:we will do our best to have a kind of bum out interview here in the studio if at all possible the entire interview could be about this issue

11:41Kurt Russell:that would be amazing

11:44Wyatt Russell:Boydie what filth have you been watching this week yeah I haven't watched Bridgerton I need to catch up I am going to do my last industry state of the industry Boyd's industry corner yeah because it also ties in with news because just after we recorded last week literally as we were recording in fact it was announced that there would be one more fifth and final season of industry so that was news that we missed out on just because of when we record and everything. But as we speak here today, Wednesday, the finale went out on Monday. And can I do a... No, you cannot do a spoiler. If you want to do industry spoiler chat, we have a place for that.

12:25Wyatt Russell:We don't really. That is on Pilot Plus. But no, you cannot drop industry spoilers on the main podcast.

12:31Kurt Russell:Listen, why just in future, okay, just don't tell him it's a spoiler because he doesn't watch it, so he's not going to know. No. Because then Boyd will get complaints direct to him.

12:38Wyatt Russell:No, I could say flash, you know, rewind forward by like a minute. And then, you know. But people are driving, they're jogging, they're going to be fumbling for the controls. Accidents will happen. We've done that with your favourite shows before, I'm sure. That's a different matter. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're kind of twisting the expanse away.

12:55Kurt Russell:I'm going to say, how big a spoiler do you think it is?

12:58Wyatt Russell:I mean, the funny thing is I've already mentioned this way earlier in the season.

13:01Kurt Russell:Okay, he's already said it. It's fine. Just say it again then.

13:03Wyatt Russell:Okay, wait, wait. Crucially, give everyone a breath. Boyd's on his bullshit again, so just be warned. He's about to ruin another show.

13:12Kurt Russell:Boyd's BS. BS, yeah.

13:14Wyatt Russell:So, you know, brace yourselves. Boyd's on his bullshit. Okay. Boba, Boba. Boyd's on his bullshit again. Anyway, that's fine. I did mention this halfway through the season that this was a thing that they touched upon, but basically, one of the characters in this show, in industry, as it goes on and on, and you finally make it absolutely clear in the finale, kind of turns into Ghislaine Maxwell. so like she ends up trafficking literally trafficking young underage girls to a situation in the in the finale where men are present and men are being kind of looked after if you like it's literally they've literally taken that story of the whole Ghislaine Maxwell Jeffrey Epstein story and kind of made their own version of it but brilliantly kind of almost deployed it at the end of the previous season and deployed the reasons why this character ends up in the situation it's just an ingenious bit of you know incredibly topical fascinating way of using that story and have their own kind of parallel version of it so yeah that's that's one of just one of

14:15Kurt Russell:the amazing things about this i've i've heard a lot of people who have said that this we've heard other people say that this season of industry is so good that they've they've gone back and watched from season one which is what i plan to do i do plan to do that you should yeah yeah it's that

14:30Wyatt Russell:That was it. It's not even that spoiled, I think. It's just a fantastic bit of storylining and just exploring that whole horrendous world, really, and how amoral it all ends up being in the capitalist, let's face it, system. Why don't you watch Industry, James? It annoys me. Bell End.

14:48Kurt Russell:Bell End Test, remember?

14:50Wyatt Russell:Oh, dear. To be fair, I was quite drawn into and captivated by the most recent season when we started it in a way that I wasn't by the first season. so it has been added to the sofa list oh okay so I am it's on I don't know when I'll get to it but I would like to get to it I could just do a James and organise my own spoiler special with the creators you could I encourage it you should I would applaud you doing that in fact Boydie I think we should set that as a challenge for you for next week to organise a spoiler episode you do love it I am a busy man I've got so much to do you fit them in Boydie you know you can you should absolutely do it okay people need to hear this there is a lot to discuss I mean look at the sex annuity I was going to say I did ask them you could ask them the bum question you could ask them the bum question do you audition individual buttocks you do see a lot of Kit Harington's bum in the series

15:43Kurt Russell:well I love Kit Harington Kit off Harrington

15:46Wyatt Russell:there's an incentive for you

15:48Kurt Russell:no no I'm definitely going to do it I'm definitely going to do it everybody I hear a lot of people saying that this season is really has been the best

15:54Wyatt Russell:it gets better and better it's like White Lotus isn't it I feel like the most recent seasons have been like gateway drugs for everyone who now wants to go back and watch the rest. Yeah, definitely. And the other thing I watched which I thought I'd mention is The Brits. I know it's pop culture. And not even film, but music. Music and pop culture. We'll let you go with it. But I just want to mention it because I think it was really good this year, The Brits. And a lot of that is down to Jack Whitehall as the host who did a brilliant job. You've got to have a comedian hosting these things. You know, actors.

16:22Wyatt Russell:No. Actors who are funny in scripted shows don't count. And often they make the mistake. They seem to like, the Oscars does this, the BAFTAs do this, where you get an actor or actresses, or even one or more of them, but they're not comedians.

16:36Kurt Russell:I know, that's why I thought it was such an odd chance to get Kristen, what's her face, to do the SAG after. It never works.

16:41Wyatt Russell:It never works. Just get a fucking comedian.

16:44Kurt Russell:Sorry, the Actors Award.

16:45Wyatt Russell:Yeah, so for the Oscars this year, Conan O 'Brien, second year running. Absolutely, that's as it should be. Remember that time when they had like, we didn't have James Franco. Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway, no. That was excruciating. Bless Anne Hathaway. she did her absolute best to try and salvage it but it was just terrible terrible idea terrible idea so there's that and they had the Brits the BAFTA film was hosted by an Australian funny woman who's not a comedian either who's a funny actress who lived in is this a riddle? yeah I don't know

17:14Kurt Russell:she lived in a shoe

17:19Wyatt Russell:anyway yeah so he was Jack Wilde did a brilliant job and he responded to like people in the room and he was funny he went around the table I was interviewing I spoke to Noel Gallagher and he just did a fantastic job but I also I'm not I'm not the world's expert on rockular music but the performances were great Harry Styles opening the show was absolutely oh I watched

17:39Kurt Russell:I did watch that did you see him yeah I watched the Harry Styles I watched the clips of that because yeah now you've said it's really good maybe I should go back and watch it but I gave up watching the Brits a long time ago yeah but you know maybe I should go back and watch it it was good

17:51Wyatt Russell:and Alex Warren Alex Warren his performance was stunning with orchestra full orchestra and everything his song Ordinary was brilliant but I wanted to say that Harry Styles is clearly being influenced by David Byrne you know David Byrne is currently he did a show last night of Exo Talking Hands he did a show last night in Hammersmith which everyone says is one of the best shows ever I haven't seen anyone saying that's clearly what he was doing with his dancing and with the backing dances he had because it wasn't like a showbiz dance routine it was like a David Byrne dance routine

18:21Kurt Russell:it was very much like a contemporary dance wasn't it?

18:25Wyatt Russell:And if you've seen Stop Making Sense, one of the best concert films of all time, James, I've now, I always look out of the corner of my eye. James, do you need time?

18:32Kurt Russell:Do you want to leave for like... Can I? Yeah.

18:34Wyatt Russell:Can I step out for a minute?

18:36Kurt Russell:You can play a computer game.

18:37Wyatt Russell:I do always look at the, I can sense him, you know, either like losing the world to leave, doing his emails, or frowning on me for even carrying on this discussion. No, I like it when he does this.

18:47Kurt Russell:He kind of goes...

18:48Wyatt Russell:Yeah, yeah.

18:49Kurt Russell:It's like the James Rabbit of like, what's happening? I don't know what you're talking about.

18:53Wyatt Russell:This is all lost on me. I don't know the name of these people exactly but Harry Styles is also the man of the moment to mention a film because he's got the best scene in the film Project Hail Mary oh is he hang on no no no it's a karaoke song did you just ruin Project Hail Mary no it's a karaoke song okay well I was just about to say

19:10Kurt Russell:I didn't know he was in Project Hail Mary he's not in it

19:13Wyatt Russell:someone sings one of his songs okay and it's fine

19:16Kurt Russell:he's on his bullshit I know

19:19Wyatt Russell:he's relentless shut up

19:20Kurt Russell:no okay that's exciting I'm really looking forward to seeing Project Hail Mary you should go as a film, not a TV show.

19:26Wyatt Russell:Yes, indeed.

19:27Kurt Russell:James, what have you been watching?

19:29Wyatt Russell:What non-TV related things can I tell you about? Let's have a think. Sometimes better than some decades old TV show that you've decided to re-watch. And by the way, I think more anger is provoked by you admitting that you're watching age old TV shows than by me going on about spoilers sometimes.

19:44Kurt Russell:I mean, you watching Broadchurch has created...

19:45Wyatt Russell:Apparently people have even been coming up to Boyd and saying to him, I can't believe James has only just discovered Broadchurch.

19:49Kurt Russell:I know, we said this. Did we not mention this on the last podcast? That people are aghast.

19:53Wyatt Russell:Yeah.

19:54Kurt Russell:I mean, it is a bit silly, isn't it? A gas infuriated.

19:58Wyatt Russell:Anyway, I'm having the best old time. I'm now halfway through series three of Broadchurch. I will say, I think the third series so far doesn't feel quite of a piece with one and two.

20:09Kurt Russell:I agree, as I would a few years ago.

20:11Wyatt Russell:It maybe feels like I'm not as engaged with it as I have been in the previous two series, but I'm still really enjoying all the characters.

20:17Kurt Russell:It's so funny that you're having this Broadchurch binge. It's great. I'm loving it.

20:22Wyatt Russell:I'm loving it. You're all loving it. Everyone else is a poor... James, late to the party, Dyer. Yeah, look, I'm having fun with that. And then when I'm not watching that, I am currently on, I want to say, the end of season five of Star Trek Voyager while I'm playing that game. Because I've just completed the section which would be Dark Frontier, which is mid-season five. So we've met the bald queen. It's very exciting. The single-player game that you've done.

20:43Kurt Russell:Yeah, that's right.

20:44Wyatt Russell:The survival sim. Star Trek Voyager across the universe. No, across the unknown. Across the universe is the song, sorry. Yeah, that's the Beatles. you may have heard of them you may have heard of them although I prefer the cover by Fiona Apple anyway other things I have watched Paradise is a show I said to myself I was not going to watch the press screeners for because they basically made all except the finale available and that is maddening to me so I was like no I'm just going to watch it week by week and then I watched episode 4 as it dropped and immediately then binged all the press screeners because I just couldn't stop watching it because it takes a fucking turn.

21:23Wyatt Russell:It takes a turn. Spoilers.

21:25Kurt Russell:Is this what I would call a starting again show?

21:31Wyatt Russell:I mean, the reason why you would especially hate it, Steph, is we get to see the end of the world from multiple different people's perspective across multiple episodes. So they start again, and then they start again, and then they start again. So it is the anti-Steph show.

21:44Kurt Russell:Is it Sterling K Moss? Sterling K Moss?

21:47Wyatt Russell:Sterling K Brown. Sterling K.

21:48Kurt Russell:What about Sterling K Moss?

21:50Wyatt Russell:The specialist Moss, Sterling K. Brown. Sorry, Sterling Moss was a racing driver in like the 50s or something.

21:56Kurt Russell:Do you know, it's because we were talking about someone with that surname and I was really excited about it.

22:00Wyatt Russell:I'm confused with Sterling K. and Lesworth Moss. Oh my God, what is happening? Yes, it's all the bums, isn't it? They've gone to your brain. I don't know why it's happening. Sterling K. Brown, I love him.

22:09Kurt Russell:Is he one of the main... He's wonderful, yes.

22:12Wyatt Russell:He's the lead and he's fantastic in it. But yeah, there's a lot going on this season and it's, yeah. So what episode was that again? Four. This was four, which has aired as we go out now. And I have now watched all the way up to seven, but I haven't seen it.

22:24Kurt Russell:So it's people starting again and again and again in multiple...

22:29Wyatt Russell:But it's great. And I'm loving it. Having a really good time with Paradise. Sounds dreadful.

22:33Kurt Russell:Have you watched any of it?

22:35Wyatt Russell:Only the two. I made my slightly negative reaction to it. Remember, Boydie came for Shailene Woodley. Which I've had people agreeing with me about. Really? Have you known? Have you known? But I do really want to carry on watching it. when I really like the show. The fact that it's back with, that sounds like I will be on board with. Yes, like there's a lot more in bunker action going on. That's what I want.

22:57Kurt Russell:Okay, well, you just let me know when they're starting again, the finishes and they've started, and then, okay.

23:02Wyatt Russell:I will let you know. And the last thing is something that I have not been watching, but I wanted to ask if either of you had watched, which is Louis Theroux's Into the Manosphere documentary. Oh, I saw that. Which I really want to watch, though I worry will upset me. I haven't had time to watch it yet, but yeah, it does look... that's on my list. Yeah, but I really want to see that. And I think he's talked about how he thinks it's the most important documentary he's done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which obviously you would do if you're doing publicity for a new documentary. But nevertheless, it's a subject I think that's quite important.

23:29Kurt Russell:Is it about a male mental health or is it about toxic masculinity? It's about the manosphere. The manosphere, that's what I've got. Okay.

23:38Wyatt Russell:I believe. Maybe we should cover it on the podcast. Maybe we should do a Pilot Plus type thing and it is feature length. But maybe we should do something on that because I would like to watch it. If I have to watch things, I quite like to do it. I mean, if we review it, then you're pretty much in agreeance that it's not a film. Oh, and finally. It's a feature-length TV event. Great.

23:59Kurt Russell:Okay, we definitely should do that.

24:00Wyatt Russell:We've sorted that out.

24:02Kurt Russell:That's over now, okay? We've never come back to that. Never again.

24:05Wyatt Russell:Okay, let's move on, shall we, to a listener question. This week's listener question comes from Marcus. And Marcus says, Dear Pilot, As a long-term listener to both Pilot and the other movie-related podcast, I have a question for you all, and it relates to TV show theme tunes. There are many composers who operate in the movie sphere, Mrs. Williams, Shaw and Zimmer, to name but a few, but what about TV? Who are the greatest TV theme composers? So I propose a Mount Rushmore with the following rules. One, composer must have at least two iconic theme tunes, so it might rule out Doctor Who and Star Trek, and even Mission Impossible themes, but there you go.

24:44Wyatt Russell:Two, composer must have at least five other well-known TV show themes under their belt. So if something they wrote was used in a little-seen Bosnian psychodrama, that doesn't count. Three, it doesn't have to be just UK or US shows. If they've done work in Europe or the Far East, that is globally respected and heard of, then it is good. As Mount Rushmore has four faces, but you are but three, I'm going to start the... No, you don't get to start it. Sorry, Marcus. But anyway, Marcus was suggesting Barry Gray, who themes Stingray, Thunderbirds, UFO, Space 1999, Joe 90, Captain Scarlet, and Fireball XL5, to name but a few.

25:20Wyatt Russell:So who else joins him? I'm immediately, I hate to say this, removing Barry Gray from our Mount Rushmore, because it is our Mount Rushmore. So the way this can do, Boyd will know from the Empire podcast, each of us get one choice, one pick to add to Mount Rushmore, and then we have to agree on the fourth. That's how this is going to work.

25:38Kurt Russell:One pick each, then we will agree on a fourth. Delighted as I am about this dissertation question. Right, okay. So I was doing some Googling. Oh, God, I don't think I'm going to get in the criteria.

25:51Wyatt Russell:I was doing some Googling. Hard research. It's good.

25:54Kurt Russell:I know, because, okay, so I do want to just quickly mention that John Addison did Murder, She Wrote theme tune, which is a truly iconic theme tune. Okay, so Mike Post. Do you know what Mike Post is responsible for?

26:07Wyatt Russell:Tell me. In the NYPD Blue?

26:10Kurt Russell:Well, A-Team, perhaps one of the greatest theme tunes of all time. Rockford Files, Hill Street Blues, Law and Order, and Magnum P.I. Hill Street Blues, that's what I was thinking of, yeah. Magnum P.I., guys. Can you think that one person could have Magnum P.I. and the A-Team theme tunes under their belt? That is insane.

26:35Wyatt Russell:That's pretty good work. That is pretty good work. Okay, and that is your choice? That's my choice. That is Steph's... You are carving Mike Post's name... Mike. ...into the mountain?

26:44Kurt Russell:Yes.

26:45Wyatt Russell:Done.

26:45Kurt Russell:Chipping away.

26:46Wyatt Russell:Okay, Steph's choice. Boydie, what is your choice? I'm going to go for... I've got two possibilities here. Which one shall I go for? I'm going to go for Nicholas Brattel. Oh, okay, interesting. Who did Succession, one of the greatest theme tunes of all time. Crucially, also, worked on Andor. I'm about to get to it. Sorry, sorry, carry on. He won't even give you the time, will he? I was building up Succession, one of the greatest theme tunes of all time, The Underground Railroad, which I checked as also really good, a show called Ziwe, which I don't even know what it is. Right. Winning Time, The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty, fantastic, in 2022, and Andor, as you so rightly say.

27:29Wyatt Russell:So there you go, Bratel.

27:31Kurt Russell:Okay.

27:31Wyatt Russell:I'm surprised because I wondered whether you were going to stump for Christabel Tapia de Vere. who obviously did The White Lotus but crucially I always think I love his Utopia score as you know but no I don't think there were enough others you're right because the fucking criterion is so difficult five shows I'll give you my other I did have another option I thought the other option was one you would have you see which is why I've steered away from it which is Ramin Djawadi yes who did Westworld yes I would say my two favourite theme tunes of the last decade or whatever are Westworld and Succession Westworld music is amazing Westworld music is nice

28:12Kurt Russell:remind me of the Westworld music give me a little hum

28:15Wyatt Russell:it's hard actually it's hard does it require

28:17Kurt Russell:a concert orchestra

28:18Wyatt Russell:it does it requires an orchestra and luckily we have one here if you just like to no we don't we don't have one here and of course you do Game of Thrones Game of Thrones Fallout House of the Dragon three body problem Jack Ryan if you like I'm going to say

28:30Kurt Russell:that I also think the criteria should have been that it's hummable

28:33Wyatt Russell:that's quite specific

28:34Kurt Russell:Yeah, but you know, like, the ones online are quite humbable. Anyway, so carry on. I'm not going to hum them, but I'm just saying, that's also a good criteria.

28:41Wyatt Russell:And if you're going British, there's David Arnold. David Arnold did Little Britain, let's not forget. He did Sherlock, which again, so Sherlock's one of the other greatest. Absolutely iconic. Sherlock, I definitely agree with. Good Omens, he did. Dracula, the brilliant version of Dracula. He works with Stephen Moffat a lot. All these things he does a lot. Brilliant is a generous descriptor for that particular one. The first two episodes were very good. Oh, no, I meant his music. I mean, yeah. Oh, right, okay. I thought you were talking about the show. No, no, no, the show, you're absolutely right.

29:10Wyatt Russell:The show famously, one is genius, two is pretty good, and then the third one is what the fuck. Absolutely. Oh, my God, you two. Get a room, Jesus.

29:22Kurt Russell:The third one was what the fuck.

29:24Wyatt Russell:And Murray Gold, I want to mention Murray Gold, who's had an association with Russell T. Davis, so he wrote the music to Queer as Folk, and he's pretty much worked on almost every Russell T. Davis show since then, including reworking Doctor Who theme tune and doing all the soundtrack work for Doctor Who in its reincarnated form. And he's an absolute legend. He does brilliant stuff. So there are my... Okay, so Nicholas Bratel is your choice. You are carving him into the mountains.

29:50Kurt Russell:You're getting an A-plus for this homework, by the way, because it's very good.

29:54Wyatt Russell:I struggled to whittle this down because initially my brain went to things like Star Trek composers or Mark Snow for the X-Files, if we're talking truly iconic. but again in terms of volume I don't think that's there my beloved WG Snuffy Walden was one that I kind of felt for the West Wing obviously but yes things like that he did Nashville he did Under the Dome Studio 60 Felicity, My So-Called Life Roseanne back in the day as well he also did Friday Night Lights but I think he gets disqualified on that because I think Explosions in the Sky does have most of the credit for the Friday Night Lights music so I'm taking that away from Snuffy sorry Snuffy I've interviewed Snuffy before he wouldn't mind who else was I thinking Daniel Pemberton Snow Horses even Peep Show you know whatever you like I did come very close to picking Ramin Djawadi because he's amazing I've interviewed him as well but and you know because so many of the shows but in the end there could only be one choice for me and it was not him and it is Bear McCreary so Bear McCreary primarily for Battlestar Galactica which is my all time favourite TV soundtrack not the main theme necessarily but all of the score all the way through it I think is wonderful for that but also he did Outlander he did Foundation as well lest we forget he did Lord of the Rings The Rings of the Lord The Walking Dead and My Beloved Sea so you see why Bear McCreary has basically done everything that I love so it could only be Bear for me so I am chiseling Bear McCreary's face into the mountain if we're going to do a group one I would nominate Ramin Djawadi but obviously we would need to vote Remind me again

31:30Kurt Russell:remind me again

31:31Wyatt Russell:Ramin Djawadi Game of Thrones Game of Thrones most famous for Westworld Fallout House of Dragons free body problem

31:36Kurt Russell:done I mean you just had to say Game of Thrones to me yeah Ramin Djawadi

31:39Wyatt Russell:yeah interestingly I actually actively disliked Bear McCreary's soundtrack to Lord of the Rings Rings the Lord

31:45Kurt Russell:you were just like

31:46Wyatt Russell:he's no Howard Shaw I just thought it was completely exactly what is actively

31:50Kurt Russell:disliking a soundtrack I just thought it was

31:51Wyatt Russell:over the top and overbearing and annoying I remember coming out of the screening do you remember the screening they were supposed to screen two episodes of it season one and for technical reasons it broke and I remember and I just ended up someone asked me what do you think I said I think it was fine I thought but the music was awful and people were like what? it's Bear McCreary they were absolutely furious with me I was like I didn't like it Boyd was all knives out great name though

32:13Kurt Russell:as well

32:13Wyatt Russell:yeah they only screened one episode and I remember Boyd was over the moon but they weren't going to show the second one yeah I'd impressed anyway he's a very hard man okay well Marcus I hope that that has fulfilled your desire to see a Mount Rushmore of TV composers if you would like your question answered on this particular podcast, do send your queries, questions and feedback in to pilottv at empiremagazine.com. If they are interesting group discussions that we think will work well for the main podcast, then they will fall on here. And if there are all sorts of other things, feedback, other questions, we deal with those on Pilot Plus each week.

32:45Wyatt Russell:And if you are not a Pilot Plus subscriber, the question of course is, why not? Because it's not very expensive. It's like£3.49. I don't even know what you could buy for that. Could you buy a Soreen Maltloaf value pack for that? I'm saying probably not.

32:56Kurt Russell:I tell you what, you can't buy anything for that now because I went into a well-known coffee shop chain and I was like buying a hot chocolate. I was like, I'm so sorry. How much was that? It's just ridiculous the prices in there. So, yeah.

33:09Wyatt Russell:That's inflation for you. It's a bargain is what we're saying. And for that, should we say what you get for that? You get this particular podcast. I think it's like 17 hours early. That's very precise. You get this particular main podcast without any ads at all. You get spoiler special podcasts and you get a second weekly show every Thursday. Honestly. It's not the gift that keeps on giving. Yeah. So basically what we're saying is if you love anyone in your life, then you should buy Pilot Plus subscription for them. Definitely. Definitely. Okay, good. Right, brilliant, wonderful. Should we have this week's guests?

33:41Wyatt Russell:Please, God. Guess what? It's only the Russells. Wow. Kurt and Wyatt. Kurt Russell and Wyatt Russell, who both play Lee Shaw in Monarch Legacy of Monsters on Apple and season two of Monarch, even though we all thought Kurt Russell died in season one. Turns out he didn't. Season two is back on Apple Now. You can watch it now. And both Kurt and Wyatt came into this very studio and did an interview. Although, except it wasn't actually the studio. It was the one next door. But you get the point. They came into this building. Well, no. It was going to be me. I, unfortunately, was called away. But it was okay.

34:16Wyatt Russell:It was okay because pilot TV mega fan, pilot TV obsessive Chris Hewitt stepped into the breach because he was like, the option to be on a better podcast. The opportunity to upgrade and appear on Pilot was just, I mean, it was more than he could resist. So he jumped at the opportunity to be given the privilege of being on the Pilot TV podcast, and he interviewed Kurt and Wyatt Russell in the studio yesterday. Fantastic.

34:42Kurt Russell:Wow.

34:43Wyatt Russell:This is what happened. Kurt Russell, Wyatt Russell, welcome to the Pilot TV podcast. How are you guys? Good, good. How are you? Yeah, I'm not too bad, not too bad. We had some tech issues a little second ago. I had to run out of the room and grab someone because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I'll be completely honest with you. And to share this, because I thought this was a beautiful moment, to share this with our listeners, Kurt, you yelled, Tech support! Well, I saw you walking with him. Tech support, yeah. I've always remembered that with Tom Cruise. Yeah. The middle of the sky. Tech support!

35:16Wyatt Russell:Which is a quote from your own film. Yeah, well, not mine. Not talking about it, but it isn't. It's not your line, but it's a quote from your own film. Which made me think, do you guys quote your own films? Every once in a while, there's a couple of lines in used cars that I'll definitely quote.

35:38Wyatt Russell:It's not really a quote, but it's just a scene where, Look out, Marshall Lucky. He turns around and shoots him and he goes, $24 ,000, that's too fucking high. There are favorite actors of mine that I've worked with that did line readings that I'll repeat only to myself. Nobody even hears me. One of my favorite ones was Donald Moffat in The Thing. And he goes, it's gone, McCready. It's gone. another one another one whenever whenever any whenever like someone's sick or like you know they're feeling better like they're kind of come out of their room for the first time in three days I was almost going to say it on a show and I did I'm all better

36:34Wyatt Russell:Will Brimley my favorite line reading from the thing is when he is tied to the couch. I'd rather not spend the rest of this winter tied to this fucking couch. It's amazing. Do you get a sense? Do you know when you've nailed a delivery, a line reading, that people will be quoting you? That's a really interesting question. What I fascinate, I've only surprised myself a couple of times. Okay. When I did, they became lines that became people repeat. Right. Such as? I'm trying to remember one. In Miracle, it was, the way the line's written, the way it was written out, in the speech that he gives before they go out, play the game is, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, this is your time.

37:23Wyatt Russell:You know, this is your time. And I looked around the room and I said, this is your time. And that's played in every arena. The other one was, the other one that I remember, it literally just happened to me. We were late at night shooting, this was on Tombstone. And I've just shot one of these guys. One of my brothers is leaving in a train. Run, you, Kerr. I say, you know, I'm screaming at this guy. He says, run, you, Kerr. You tell him I'm coming. And I suddenly went, you know, this is one thing to tell him you're coming. It's another thing to put it all on yourself and who you are and what you have become in that moment.

38:05Wyatt Russell:You tell him I'm coming. That's a whole other fucking kettle of fish. And I get that one all the time. You tell them I'm coming and hell's coming with me. You hear me? Hell's coming with me. I've seen them actually. I've seen that used very many times. But those, I mean, do you have any of those that you kind of like? There's some dud here all the time. There are some dud lines that like super fans enjoy. Love from Lodge 49. Lodge 49. That was an incredibly well-written show, obviously. The master's Jim Gavin. Hi, Jim. You're listening. Do you get people saying lines you have forgotten that you said?

38:50Wyatt Russell:Oh. You're like, that sounds like a good line. What's that from? Who said that? I usually just kind of try and keep walking when that kind of thing starts to happen. Hey. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. What was that from? I do a good job of letting things go in one ear out the other. But no, not really. I can't. God, I'm horrible at remembering. Yeah. When something happens for me, it's like it's over. And then I don't think about it anymore. I don't listen for it anymore. I don't hear about it anymore. I live in kind of the middle of nowhere now with my family. I'm out. and so when it comes back in it's always like a re-entry it's like I've been watching Severance lately I really felt that when I do this I'm like you know this is like my innie and then when I go home and I enter this building it's like and then I'm at my Audi again and I don't remember anything that just happened my work life and my own life I do a very good job of making myself forget that's wild I don't know where you got that from Does that come from growing up in a household with famous parents in a way?

40:10Wyatt Russell:Yeah, yes. They didn't bring it home at all. It was not dinner nothing. It was like they went to work and then they came home and it was like having a parent that would go to work and come home. Dinner table conversation in sports and what was going on in your life. Yeah, right. It was all about what was going on in our lives. which is what I hopefully give to our kids. It's like that's what they're doing is what I'm interested in. It's more interesting than what I'm doing, in my opinion. It's much more fun. It's much less predictable and much more chaotic. It's funny, but that's true when I think about it now.

40:51Wyatt Russell:That's all you do as a parent. Yeah, I'm 27 with kids. I mean, think about when you're a parent. There's not even a thought in your head about, let me tell you what I did today. No. I was. The second you try and say, you know what happened today? It's like, who cares? It's so not important. Gee, what happened to you today? I've never seen that. That's maybe a good idea for a show. A kid that is so into your life. You must be infested, right, to a degree in what your parents do? I know. I don't remember doing that as a kid. Hi, Dad. You don't get to believe what happened to me. I'm very proud. We've done a good job with Bud.

41:41Wyatt Russell:He's my oldest. And every once in a while, he'll just be like, Hey, Dad, how was your day? Because that's something that we, you know, when someone asks how your day was, you tell them and then you ask how their day was. But I don't think he really actually cares. He made the effort to check that box. box, exactly. Which is a good box to check. I can ask for toys. Thanks, dude. And I get about two words into my answer and he's like, he's got out of the room. Grab the box of chocolate covered pretzels and wants to go in the backyard and skate on the ice rink. How old is bud? Five. So is he kind of the sweet spot in a way that, you know, for Marvel and Avengers?

42:23Wyatt Russell:No, he doesn't care about that stuff. He's not into it. He's into Harry Potter. Big time. Loves that magical world. He loves the music. He loves the score. He loves listening to Harry Potter on the way to go do stuff in the car. He's really into that. He's not into monster things. I even talked to him about it because I was brought up the other day. I was like, hey, bud, do you like the monster stuff? He was like, nah. Not really.

42:54Wyatt Russell:There's a great show coming out which might change your mind. I'll never forget, we were watching Minions. I was in the bed with him and I realized that it had Apple TV in this place that we were staying. I was like, let's see what happens. I switched it over. It's a Captain America Winter Soldier. He's watching it and he's like, what is Minions? He's like, Minions. I'm like, okay, we'll just see what happens and I come on screen and he's like watching it and watching it doesn't say anything I'm like who's that and he's like dad he's like dad how are you and I'm like uh huh and he's like minions and I was like okay clear his day let's go back to minions he gave it a shot that's the way it should be I'm like great it was almost a test to be like if he was like yeah It would have been like, oh god, that would be worrisome.

43:55Wyatt Russell:He doesn't care at all. That's amazing. So going back then to whenever you were five, Kurt, you would have been making things like, I'm guessing, Backdraft and Tango and Cash around that time. He was born in 86, so yeah. Backdraft. Kurt comes home with his firefighter's costume on. Still coughing from the smoke inhalation. And you're like, yeah, whatever. Well, I remember going to set on Backdraft. I got the same haircut. I got that flat top. Yeah, when you had the haircut, then I got it for the show. So we took a great picture. Yeah, it was a good photo. We were very proud of that haircut. But I don't really remember much about that movie being on set or anything.

44:38Wyatt Russell:See, that was 90. You were only four years old. I was a little older because I remember playing stickball. So Denny, who's here. we were playing stickball by the trailers. That's what I remember about the movies. It was like the stickball. We'd set up a goal net outside the trailer and I'd play a goal and Denny and Jimmy Petty would shoot on me. That was the fun around the set. It wasn't like going on to set was always like, okay, whatever. It's passed on from generation to generation. If you'd said at that point that acting was never really on the agenda I'm guessing for you, Wyatt, at that point?

45:17Wyatt Russell:One day you'd be in the same show playing the same character. That was definitely not on the car. That's a hell of a thing. When did they come up, the idea? Who did they approach first? Did they approach you both or was it a pincer movement, getting one? We got one, the other cancel now. Years ago, I had been with an agency and then agent moved out of that agency and they went on to create a new thing which I wasn't really interested in doing. So I was about a year and a half looking around for an agent. Wyatt finally said to me, You should meet with Darren, who was his agent. Eventually, I did.

45:50And so I joined on.

45:53Wyatt Russell:It was an interesting situation being at the same agency as Wyatt. I wanted to make sure that all things were kept separate and you didn't have to worry about me that way or he didn't have to worry about anything. And Darren's great. There was none of that. So I went to Darren, and Darren approached both of us. Both of us. And so they have this idea for you guys to play the same character in this Godzilla show. And we were both like, really? They said, just listen, hear him out. They have a good idea. They want to focus more on the humans. So when we had the meeting, it was like, oh, that is a good idea.

46:32Wyatt Russell:It's unique. It's very unique. And it could be really cool and interesting and bring a lot to the story and more to the monsters than the monsters bring to you. That's what you worry about a little bit. I've done all kinds of weird things, and he's done all kinds of weird things that don't necessarily lead you to Godzilla, like playing a Mormon baby killer on Heaven. It doesn't scream Kong co-star. So I was hesitant, but then as the idea was as unique, As it ended up being, we said, well, if it can be as good as it is unique, then it would be a very cool thing to do. We've been approached to do father and son things before.

47:18Approached by approached, I mean, hey, guys, take a look at this.

47:22Wyatt Russell:And some of them were okay, but it was like, Wyatt has had his own career for 17 years. He's established. He's starring in movies and doing his thing. And I've been doing it for a long time. So it's like, we're known actors now. So, okay, we can look at things. We don't have to worry about the idea that we're only doing this because we're father and son. We're separate entities. Same as Goldie and I said that early on. And Kate and Oliver. Meredith. We do our own worlds, right? So that one, when it came, it was like, okay. But the idea of playing the same person was immediately kind of interesting.

48:07Wyatt Russell:That we had not been approached with before. And when we were cast, when we all agreed and deals were made, it was like, okay, this is actually going to change things a lot.

48:18Kurt Russell:Yeah.

48:19Wyatt Russell:And that was a lot of a hurdle to get over. Not a little bit, a lot. And understandably so. It was not on the table before that. It wasn't on their minds. So it took some work. and figuring out where this character works best for the show and how it works best for the show. And this idea of going back from one era to the back to the future in the now era, 2015 in this case. Yeah. It was, we could really take advantage of what we could do, but you weren't playing father and son. You're playing the same person. So the approach had to be taken that way. And because you're the elderly, does that mean you take your cue in terms of characters characteristics from Wyatt?

49:07Yeah, exactly.

49:08Wyatt Russell:And I learned that real quick the first day I went on his set, because we have separate sets. Went on his set and watched. I was enjoying, for 45 minutes or so, I was just enjoying Wyatt. And I was enjoying watching him do things similarly. It's like he was asking the questions of the director or working with the other actors, very, very much the way I would have. But then I was watching the different takes and watching what he was doing, how changes he was making. And I stopped watching him, and I really started saying, oh, that's right, that actor and I are playing the same person. I need to get educated here.

49:43Wyatt Russell:And I need to stop having a good time, swigging a beer and just going, this is great, this is great. Wyatt, this is going to be great. And I said, no, it kicked me into gear. I was like, no, this is not father and son. You're playing that guy. Same guy. What's he doing? and it was informational and great. Wyatt, with that in mind, you could have sabotaged Kurt. You could have... You could have... I was like, yeah, he's like a backflip guy. Every time he does something good, he does a backflip. What? He speaks your Welsh accent every now and again. I'm doing the whole thing with a Filipino accent.

50:20Wyatt Russell:The whole thing with the crossed eyes. I didn't blend on that. Yeah, I'm like, okay. He's an opera singer. he sings opera now and again I thought that was inferred and you'd be like no he got rid of all that years and years ago but was it a one and done in your minds for you because season one yeah because season one you didn't know it was not told to us that we were going to do more than one season for sure it was like the hope is always that you do another season obviously they weren't just going to They weren't planning on doing one. They weren't hoping on planning on doing one in that beginning.

51:01Wyatt Russell:But like every show that I've ever done, it's like you might only get one season, so do the best you can. And then, again, when it was over, it was like, I don't know. It comes out and people decide if they like it and watch it and if Apple wants to make another one. But it was not something that we were talking about. Season two and what was going to happen, and it was just about that season. We were just kidding. And it didn't end that way, really. But we distinctly didn't think about a season two. I mean, the way that show, the way that season finished on paper was his young Lee says to her, she says, aren't you supposed to – they get into a row early on when they're first meeting.

51:43Wyatt Russell:And he tells you, Lee, you can leave now. And he turns around and says, I'm out of here. She says, aren't you supposed to salute when your mission is complete? Being wise-ass. and he just keeps on going. He turns around. I know he turns around and says, when my mission's complete, I will. Now we get to the end. And I said to the director, oh, I want to do this thing at the end here where when the pod goes up, I'm back. You see me get up. The wind's blowing because the pod took off. And I look at it and she's looking at me through the window as the pod's going up. But I want to salute her. My mission's finished.

52:13Wyatt Russell:And then I see Godzilla. That was the end. You see Godzilla there. He just looks at me and moves on. And I'm down there now. That was the end of it. And they didn't do any of that. They just had me say, well, I did that too, where I pried my hands and I said, and I just ad-libbed, thank you for everything. And that was the end of him. He was gone. And then you follow them up. And then you get into when they arrive up there. So it was the end of a show. That was it. That was it for him. and then you heard that Godzilla and Kong had signed on for another season and you were like, we're in We were excited about Kong Godzilla was always an issue Oh god, really?

53:00Wyatt Russell:It's interesting to me now Kong's pretty cool and Titan X, which is the new monster that they introduced that was exciting but also a little nerve wracking because Kong and Godzilla are like Pantheon on the Mount Rushmore of Zillow's. They're the size of our monsterverse. And this is a new one that you're bringing in, and it's like, well, people like it. Is it going to look cool? You don't know. You have no idea. They're just like, there's this tight-necked monster, and you're like, okay, what does it do? And you're reacting to it, and then I went into a meeting and I saw a picture of it, a rendering.

53:39Wyatt Russell:And I was like, oh, it's going to be awesome. It's going to be cool. People are going to love it. And I didn't. I looked at it and I went, oh, talk about a diva. I was like, I don't know. When this gets into action, we're laying heavy on this. But boy, I'll tell you what, they are fantastic at what they do. They really are. Yeah, absolutely. Each episode, when you look at this show, 10 episodes. It's 10 movies. It's 10 movies. When you see it on the big screen, it's a movie. It's epic. It's epic in size. It's a hell of a thing. We can't say too much about what lies in store for you guys in season two of this show.

54:20Wyatt Russell:But are you hoping at some point that maybe we can both leave, occupy the same space? It is interesting what we did. Keep your eyes on seven and ten. It was something that we wanted to do the first year. We actually shot something, the two of us, in a situation. Let's put it that way. And it was, they called us and said, we can't put this in there. Why? And they said, it just changes the arc of the whole show. It just, you suddenly just want to walk, what is this now? And they said, yeah, understandable. But if there's any chance that we do end up doing a second season, that was, that's my number one call for it.

55:06Wyatt Russell:That's the thing. Thank you. and we held true to that and we did some really we did an interesting thing this year one of the things that this show has that now you know everybody has talked to us about is in the same year there's a hell of a group of actors they're really good yeah I mean they're just all really good yeah and everything fits in that regard so and that's that's stronger this year too amazing guys on that note I'm going to let you go it's been an absolute pleasure Wyatt, Kirk thanks so much indeed Thank you. Cheers, guys. I'm talking to you again. Tech support! That was Kurt and Wyatt Russell versus Chris Hewitt, and time now for this week's news.

55:45Wyatt Russell:What do you chaps have for me?

55:47Kurt Russell:I know what you're going to say, but I'm going to just say it anyway. Okay, so... What do you mean?

55:53Wyatt Russell:It's quite a rambling introduction to you. It's almost like you're playing for time.

55:56Kurt Russell:Well, okay, right. So, Game of Thrones film, Game of Thrones being a TV show, film, okay, a script already written...

56:04Wyatt Russell:First word, sounds like... What is this?

56:06Kurt Russell:A script has already been written by the boss of Netflix hit thriller. See, I'm using... Are you reading a Google Translate of the story? Wait, wait, wait.

56:18Wyatt Russell:Is this an AI step?

56:20Kurt Russell:I'm just trying to get this new story through because I know it's about a film, but I really want to say it.

56:24Wyatt Russell:I think we need the Boyd bot, ultimately, at this point. Right, so... It's a film. There's a Game of Thrones film coming.

56:29Kurt Russell:Yes, but listen, listen. You're going to really like this because Bo Willimon and or writer is doing the yes one of the

56:38Wyatt Russell:and or writers and the house of cards creator we should say

56:41Kurt Russell:oh I love god do you know what I'm going to do a house of cards rewatch

56:44Wyatt Russell:I mean it's a bit problematic now but sure you go for it

56:46Kurt Russell:I do love it though mainly just to see

56:48Wyatt Russell:how good Kevin Spacey was

56:50Kurt Russell:he was amazing I'm joking he was good he was no everyone was good in it he was you know obviously everything awful aside but he yeah yeah I mean not aside because it matters but oh Jesus

57:01Wyatt Russell:wow this is going well I'm enjoying it okay

57:02Kurt Russell:anyway that's exciting and it is TV adjacent.

57:06Wyatt Russell:You know, there were two big TV to film announcements this week, because you're right, there was Game of Thrones, which was big. There's also Ghosts. They announced that they're doing a TV, a film of Ghosts. Oh, was that the door thing?

57:19Kurt Russell:that was the door thing. Hang on,

57:20Wyatt Russell:we've had a finale for the show. Yeah, but it wasn't a film finale, was it? No, no, but was the story not wrapped up in the film? It wasn't. I bet so. It's not just stopping them coming back. It's quite an easy way, it's easy plot-wise to bring them back to go, the ghosts I was going to say didn't all die of course ironically the living humans didn't all die either so the ghosts were already dead but yeah no there will be a ghost that is the nature of being ghosts there will be really good news but you could sense it's the kind of show that would translate to a good feature length no you're not I don't know

57:55Kurt Russell:I'm really excited

57:58Wyatt Russell:you're not that excited

57:58Kurt Russell:no I was just thinking about it I was thinking about why I didn't because everyone's doing the door thing because it was on Instagram, wasn't it? It was on socials with the door being opened. Exciting.

58:09Wyatt Russell:So, yeah, are those stories TV stories or are they film stories? We can debate that. Well, in the same way as we were discussing beforehand that Peaky Blinders, The Immortal Man, is a film. But there is an argument that it is germane to this podcast. We may need to cover it in some capacity. It's definitely germane.

58:27Kurt Russell:We definitely need to cover it. Oh, you're on fire today. You're really tickling me.

58:34Wyatt Russell:It was all the bum chat at the top of the show, wasn't it? It's made of everyone giddy. Giddy on the bums.

58:40Kurt Russell:Right, so I'm also going to say that Robbie, Robbie, maybe it's friends who called him Robbie, Robert Louis Stevenson. Oh, Robbie Louis Stevenson, famously.

58:51Wyatt Russell:Robbie Williams did perform at the Brits as well, which I didn't mention in the Aussie Osborne tribute. Yeah, which was great. But Robbie Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island.

59:00Kurt Russell:Okay, so there's going to be a star-studded remake of Treasure Island. It's going to have... Oh, hold on. Oh yeah, Hayley Atwell's going to be in it. She's going to be Bess Hawkins. That's great. Boardwalk Empire's Jack Houston as Aaron Graham. Oh, there's lots of good people in it. That's exciting.

59:18Wyatt Russell:I love the way you're reading this.

59:19Kurt Russell:I know, because I can't remember everyone's names because, you know, my age.

59:23Wyatt Russell:What's interesting is MGM Plus are clearly obsessed with this kind of like old IP. They did Robin Hood, didn't they, recently? They did something else. I can't remember they've really gone for like yeah old ancient things and kind of reviving ancient ancient novels where they're trying to get

59:41Kurt Russell:a new generation of fans oh no no yeah

59:42Wyatt Russell:I mean yeah I'm open minded about it but and I think they recommissioned Robin Hood in fact as well in fact that was a new story did we cover that last week

59:49Kurt Russell:I believe I gave you that new story last week where I revealed that

59:52Wyatt Russell:you were an RMGM plus correspondent in many ways where I revealed that

59:54Kurt Russell:I also liked the Robin Hood which is the animated one with the fox in if you remember

59:59Wyatt Russell:you did yeah Did you two see the God of War picture? And did we talk about it on last week's show? Because I can't remember. There was a still, the first still from the God of War TV show. No, we didn't.

1:00:10Kurt Russell:You talked about someone being cast for God of War. I think that was Ed Skrein. No, you didn't. You talked about the casting, but you didn't. Yes, Ed Skrein as Balder. Yeah, because I said he looked nice. But you didn't, yeah, you didn't say.

1:00:21Wyatt Russell:You were imagining his bum, weren't you? I was, you know, I'm all about the bums. All about the bums. No, so there's first picture of Ryan Hurst as Kratos, and the internet reaction has been, shall we say, somewhat negative.

1:00:34Kurt Russell:Oh, why? I want to look at it now.

1:00:36Wyatt Russell:I don't, you know, it's hard to say. I don't know whether it's because he doesn't look like the Kratos they are familiar with, which is fair because, you know, he's an actual human. But also, I guess the picture, it looks a bit goofy. Like, someone did make a point of saying, he literally looks like he's taking a shit in the woods. and I was just like okay which was in the opening scene of Game of Thrones

1:00:59Kurt Russell:Night of the Seven Kingdoms yes he was

1:01:01Wyatt Russell:he wasn't technically in the woods but he was beside a tree I mean I think technically he was one tree does not make a wood

1:01:07Kurt Russell:it was a tree it was a tree upon a hill and in the background in the background there was a wooded area anyway I did just hit the mic

1:01:15Wyatt Russell:with my I made the mic with my headphones we'll keep it in Boydie just headbutted the microphone I genuinely don't know what people have been putting in Boydie champagne pain this morning, but something's gone awry.

1:01:25Kurt Russell:Can I, can I, it looks like he's giving the little boy an archery lesson.

1:01:32Wyatt Russell:Yes.

1:01:32Kurt Russell:Is it supposed to look like that?

1:01:33Wyatt Russell:Well, I mean, broadly speaking, I think what's happening, I suspect he is teaching Atreus to hunt.

1:01:39Kurt Russell:Right. Well, I think he's done very well with his body makeup and I think he looks fine.

1:01:46Wyatt Russell:God of War fan, Steph Sealand, has weighed in on the God of War picture.

1:01:49Kurt Russell:Yeah. I mean, what's the, what's the whole, what's the premise of God of War? Is it?

1:01:54Wyatt Russell:Oh, God.

1:01:55Kurt Russell:Are you sure? Quickly, quickly.

1:01:59Wyatt Russell:He is, basically, it was rooted in Greek mythology originally, but this is the kind of reboot series which started on the PS4, and it is rooted in Norse mythology, and he is an old, retired Greek god of war, now hanging out in Norse myth, and there are Norse gods, and his wife has just died. So, basically, the plot of this, fundamentally, is his wife has died, and he needs to bury her. That is basically the plot.

1:02:20Kurt Russell:That actually sounds good. I'm not even being sarcastic. That actually sounds like something I'd enjoy. Yeah. Okay.

1:02:25Wyatt Russell:But all sorts of shit happens and the gods come along and Boulder becomes a bellend.

1:02:28Kurt Russell:Who's the little fella? That's Atreus.

1:02:30Wyatt Russell:That's his son, Atreus. He's a dad on the stricter side, let's say. He mainly calls his son boy, boy. A harsh dad. Yeah, he's a harsh dad.

1:02:39Kurt Russell:I don't think he looks like a nice dad who's teaching his child some new skills in the woodland.

1:02:45Wyatt Russell:It's probably hard to express the harshness in a still photograph. Well, he could be shouting at him.

1:02:49Kurt Russell:Yes. Couldn't he? So actually, you know. He's stringing him up.

1:02:52Wyatt Russell:A little bit like that. Imagine David Morrissey in one of the shows that we're going to be reviewing very shortly. He's that kind of dad. Oh, okay. That says it all. That's what you need to say. Yeah, there we go.

1:03:04Kurt Russell:He's a Norse god, David Morrissey. That's exactly that.

1:03:08Wyatt Russell:He's Norse god, David Morrissey.

1:03:09Kurt Russell:Well, then he's very mean.

1:03:10Wyatt Russell:Yes, he is. Okay. Yes, he is. Right. Okay. Anything else in the world of news? Has anything else happened, Boydie? Well, I mentioned the industry thing. They confirmed the industry fifth and final season. and they were talking about, the creators were talking about how, you know, what an honor it was to do an HBO show. It's an HBO BBC co-production. I think HBO these days puts most of the money in and how they got to succession level. So I think it deserves to be talked about in those terms as five seasons of an absolutely brilliant show. I also think, here's a guest listeners, people who do watch Industry, I wonder if you agree with me.

1:03:44Wyatt Russell:I have no evidence or inside knowledge of this thing. Okay. But they've deployed a guy called Sebastian Stefanowicz, a new character this season, who's been seeing glimpses of him two or three times, and he's a Reform MP. And he's played by Edward Holcroft, who was in London Spy. Have you ever seen London Spy with Ben Whishaw? He was great in that, and he's been in stuff on and off.

1:04:05Kurt Russell:I think I probably have, because I generally try and do, try and watch everything Ben Whishaw is in. Okay, yeah.

1:04:11Wyatt Russell:London Spy was written by my neighbour, Tom Rob Smith, who lives two floors above me. Does he? Yeah. So starry. Anyway, I think Edward Holcroft is going to be his character is going to be features heavily in the fifth and final season I think they're kind of establishing him in a small way in this series I think then he'll be much more important in the next season that's my guess

1:04:31Kurt Russell:that's your guess you have no evidence whatsoever it's just from the Boyd mind

1:04:35Wyatt Russell:literally from my mind exactly okay yes great I'm going to call a close on news partly because we are on a tight schedule this week oh please god yeah so let's move on to this week's reviews and first up this week we have Rooster on Sky Comedy. This is Bill Lawrence's latest show, and it sees Steve Carell as an author who ends up at Ludlow College, the workplace of his daughter, played by Charlie Clive, who is currently going through a very public, very messy breakup with Jamie Tartt, a.k.a. Phil Dunster. And if you wondered where you could find John C. McGinley after he stepped back from the Scrubs revival, then it turns out this is actually the answer.

1:05:14Wyatt Russell:Boydie, are you going to crow about Rooster?

1:05:20Wyatt Russell:a little bit John C. McGinley by the way you see a lot of John C. McGinley yes you don't see his bum I'm sorry Steph I mean not yet unless you've watched the whole series nips yes buns no nips pretty much full on topless John C. McGinley which is bold for a man you know I'm fully in favour of him he's 66

1:05:40Kurt Russell:he looks great he looks great he looks great in sauna he looks absolutely fantastic yes

1:05:45Wyatt Russell:yes this is an interesting one Because there is, as you say, it's Bill Lawrence, who is your current hero for his work on shrinking. Ted Lasso, which we love, of course. Hence the Phil Dunstead. By the way, this is, I think, who I was thinking of. You know, I was talking about another show where, Vladimir, where Leo Woodall was playing an American professor. Why not just make him British? Well, he is just British. Phil Dunstead is just British. And it's absolutely worked. It's fine. Brilliant.

1:06:13Kurt Russell:Do you know what? It's such a relief. It'll be because of the book, Vladimir. It was a relief. and not to cut you off at all but just to that point when I watched this I was like this is exactly what Boyd and I were saying because it enhances it so much but carry on

1:06:28Wyatt Russell:so that was good that was a good decision so this is kind of built around I saw Steve Carell talking in an interview about how this was like the best pilot script he's ever read and stuff and I was like okay interesting I mean it's fine and you were like is it though I was to be I almost deployed the annoying James is it though So, meme, I think we can call it. But I didn't want to be too annoying. But it's fine. It's good. I liked it. The thing I liked about it was it kind of captured the American so-called liberal arts college life. I was lucky enough to spend a year in an American university, University of Massachusetts Amherst.

1:07:06Wyatt Russell:But they have a thing called the five college system, which means you get to go to classes at different colleges in the area, including Smith College, which is a legendary college, Amherst College, incredible, where Jacob Dillon, Bob Dillon's son, was there at the time. And it was an incredible experience. It is like a really idyllic setting, and I think it captured that. Visually, it's very sunny, and this one is somewhere in California, this fictional college that they all go to.

1:07:33Kurt Russell:Ludlow.

1:07:34Wyatt Russell:Right. But the opening scene is of the guy, of Steve Carell's character, who's a best-selling author of quite kind of mainstream books, shall we say, be invited to give a talk to the students and I literally went to like events where there was authors would give talks to us the students back in the day and they'd be either inspirational or not inspirational so it kind of for me it was like a nostalgia trip and it is like this is almost in a world that is like I feel possibly dying out for political reasons as I say in America right now but thank God I think they still do exist like this I think they still so the setting is great I really enjoyed the setting I thought and it felt very authentic the way the students behave and the way the professors behave and just the general chatter but i felt very it felt very kind of not particularly plot driven like there is a there is a bit of story going on with you know an affair etc and with phil dalton's characters i'm trying to spoil it um but it felt very kind of light on its feet in a good way in quite a good way but i guess this is bill lawrence's kind of mode now almost because it has i think it has that in common with shrinking a bit that i i think i actually said this when we reviewed shrinking that it's quite a laid-back show narratively.

1:08:38Wyatt Russell:It's not driven by storyline and plot. And this felt like it was actually driven by Steve Carell's character, who is weirdly... We think of Steve Carell as being a very outgoing, kind of vivacious... Even the character from The American Office was overbearing in a way. Whereas in this, he's slightly wary of interacting with people. He's got issues about anxieties, about just meeting new people and stuff. So he meets this woman who works at the university and he's kind of shy about her, etc. So it's an interesting character for him to play. But I didn't feel an enormous... When I finished, I watched two episodes.

1:09:15Kurt Russell:I was about to say, how many did you watch?

1:09:16Wyatt Russell:I watched two. And at the end of the first episode, there's a big thing that happens. And it is quite funny. But I think it's quite gentle. It's quite, as I say, it's quite story light in a way. Or at least it doesn't... It's definitely not melodramatic. But I kind of believed it. I believed in the characters. which is a big step, one step. But I didn't exactly go to the end of the second episode and think I have to carry on watching this now. It was more of a, I might find time to watch this at some point. I can sense Steph. I feel Steph either loved it or, I don't know, because she's so pro-Bill Lawrence.

1:09:47Wyatt Russell:You are very pro-Lawrence. Right.

1:09:49Kurt Russell:If I didn't know that this was a Bill Lawrence thing, I'd still love it, I think. I really loved it. This is the thing that I watched as many, we had six available. I don't know if you guys had more because you get special privileges. But there were six available and I watched all six. For me, this is... Yeah, I get what you're saying about his more recent roles he's played, but for me, this is kind of a bit of the 40-year-old virgin in the college years in terms of his character. There's a lot of elements of characters that he's played in the past coming together. There is a bit of his character from The Office.

1:10:24Kurt Russell:There's a lot of the... It's very much a... He's divorced. He's having to find his feet again. I think what Bill Lawrence does so well is he makes every single character interesting it's and they're not overbearing characters which is why it feels comfortable and I think I talked about this last podcast why what and why I don't really like starting again things is because the setting to me is so important and is so much a character and I absolutely agree with you it's beautiful where they are and it really makes you you feel part of the campus I I I absolutely loved it and it does get more exciting and I not to labour on the point but someone's bottom appears several times and it is also

1:11:13Wyatt Russell:God what a bottom themed episode this is honestly

1:11:17Kurt Russell:so we watch so if you don't if you don't subscribe so you didn't get to listen to Pilot Plus we reviewed Vladimir which was we universally hated and I didn't hate it you hated it well you didn't love it I didn't love it no no no no no

1:11:30Wyatt Russell:universally hated is a strong yes it was very much hated by you yeah okay universally hated by Steph Seaman

1:11:35Kurt Russell:alright it's terrible universally hated by me it was awful but this gets loads of the things that that should have got right yeah this is better so the fact that he's this sexy British professor and he oh god he's brilliant he gets really

1:11:49Wyatt Russell:Phil does to get his bum out he doesn't in episode one or two oh he does

1:11:53Kurt Russell:oh he does look at him look at him

1:11:54Wyatt Russell:A little glee on your face.

1:11:56Kurt Russell:It's so great, though. And the way that the storylines progress, if you get all the way to episode six, it's wonderful. And it's not... I think you kind of allude to the fact that you think it's a bit slow, or you don't, you think it's storyline.

1:12:09Wyatt Russell:I want slow... Slow is a bit much. Just, I think there's something about it. I didn't find it riveting. Like, I found it nice and enjoyable. It's kind of that kind of tone. Did you care about it?

1:12:20Kurt Russell:I think, for me, the other thing is, like, I really cared about all of them. I love Danielle Deweyler's character. She's great in this.

1:12:27Wyatt Russell:Yeah, him snubbing her. I didn't buy that. Well, that's why you have to keep watching

1:12:31Kurt Russell:to find out what happens. You know, the advancing storylines, I feel like he's so good at kind of unravelling each character, you know, very intimate, all their intimate troubles, really slowly and brilliantly, but in a way that still keeps me interested. I just loved everything. Did you say James just raises an eyebrow

1:12:52Wyatt Russell:out in the most either that's like she's gone mad

1:12:55Kurt Russell:I suppose because

1:12:58Wyatt Russell:you are ascribing to this show a level of depth that I did not witness

1:13:02Kurt Russell:how many did you watch

1:13:03Wyatt Russell:just the first one which to be fair doesn't even cover the set up of the show

1:13:07Kurt Russell:okay so here's my thing when you talk about depth and you know it's one of my you know it's one of my I get really annoyed when sometimes we watch one show and then we say something and no one likes it and then I've watched loads of it and I tell you you should watch more because it's really good

1:13:21Wyatt Russell:And we just ignore you. Yeah, and you just ignore me

1:13:23Kurt Russell:and then you don't go back and watch Small Prophets like I told you. You should. Anyway, let's just, I'll put that aside. There's, the relationship between Steve Carell's character and his daughter's character is beautiful. And it's really...

1:13:35Wyatt Russell:And they are good together and they've got good chemistry and Charlie Clive is great. She was great in Pure and she was in Lazarus Project as well.

1:13:41Kurt Russell:This is a story about, there's some great lines in this about their relationship and later on his ex-wife comes back into it and she, I won't give away who she's played by, but that's a great episode. I'm so relieved that John C. McGinley has left the Scrubs reboot, which I wasn't completely satisfied with, to join this because I love his character in this. And it is funny. Maybe it's not bellyache funny, but it's comfort funny. And you end up really caring about these people. Certainly I did. James couldn't give a shit about them and I can tell by the look on his face.

1:14:17Wyatt Russell:Do you know what? I think my issues with it are twofold. One, I have a particular hatred for the comedy device of misunderstandings that go awry, you know, and it's like, and then this sort of slightly, almost slapstick, so the event, the event that happens at the end of the first episode is so ludicrous, and it's so over the top, and it's so, oh my god, this is happening, oh, you know, it's absolutely farcical, and I was like, which is ironic, because obviously I love Fawlty Towers, which is pure farce, but didn't like that, and also So there's a scene in this where there's a classic comedic misunderstanding where he's looking at one thing and then people think he's looking at something else through a hedge.

1:14:59Wyatt Russell:And it was just like, that's a naked gun joke. What are you doing? And I found the humour to be at times just a bit, I don't want to say basic, but I wasn't particularly taken by it. Don't get me wrong, I do not think this is a bad show at all. it's quite as you said it's quite comfortable to watch I found it quite a nice comfort watch Steve Carell is always a lot of fun and so you know there was good times to be had but I was like again I'm not hugely invested in the story I'm not finding this laugh out loud funny and I find the sort of humorous track that it was going down just a little bit basic I know what you mean yeah it definitely has moments of silliness does you're he's kryptonite TV comedy silliness but I think it actually needs I almost have the opposite criticism I think it needs more moments like that well you kind of need to either embrace it or not but it's quite silly whereas you're right maybe if it was very silly it would work or if it was less silly it would work I think it needs for me it needs more silly moments more jokes more funny more unashamed

1:16:05Kurt Russell:right I think one of Bill Lawrence's great talents is he makes things he doesn't go over the top he makes these people believable his characters are believable and the incidents in his shows are all believable and you think they could happen.

1:16:19Wyatt Russell:You've seen Scrubs, right?

1:16:20Kurt Russell:Yeah, I know, but as I said, I don't enjoy this reboot. I don't enjoy this reboot. I think, okay, I'm primarily thinking of shrinking. I think if it, they made, and lots of more funnier things do happen. If, like me, you're committed and you've watched six episodes.

1:16:35Wyatt Russell:You are the consummate professional.

1:16:37Kurt Russell:Yeah, but I don't agree with either of you. I just don't think you can say that when you've only watched one episode. I'm sorry.

1:16:45Wyatt Russell:No, I watched two.

1:16:46Kurt Russell:I don't think you can say it if you watch one or two episodes.

1:16:50Wyatt Russell:Well, then, since Boydie and I have both been disqualified from talking about Rooster, we fall to Steph to tell us what it's about. So, yes. Yeah, it's great.

1:17:01Kurt Russell:I think if you love shrinking, you'll like it. Is it as good as shrinking? No, but it...

1:17:05Wyatt Russell:Is it better than Vladimir? Yes, to be fair. I mean, you're talking about, I'm talking about, you know, college sets. It's interesting how many college sets. I know. Because in a way, gone is. Gone is like school sets, isn't it? Yeah. professors teaching kids and that whole milieu in wealthy kind of... Yes.

1:17:20Kurt Russell:Everything's better than Vladimir. Like adverts are less than Vladimir.

1:17:22Wyatt Russell:Wow. Your hatred of Vladimir has gone off the deep end. You have, yeah. But at least, at least, I would say this for, this show, I've forgotten the name of it. Rooster. Rooster. Rooster. I would say it doesn't open with a shocking scene and then it could have opened with the scene at the end of episode one and then gone ten weeks earlier. You know, it could have done that but thank fuck it didn't.

1:17:44Kurt Russell:This is like, you know, Steve Carell's wonderful character finding, you know, finding his feet again and it's delightful.

1:17:50Wyatt Russell:Best, best part of the script he's ever read.

1:17:52Kurt Russell:Yeah, and yes, Steve, you're probably right. Oh my God.

1:17:57Wyatt Russell:Rooster then. Sky Comedy and Indeed Now on the 9th of March, which is what day, buddy? It's Monday. It's today. It's today. This podcast on the day it comes out and why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you?

1:18:09Kurt Russell:Surely you get up and you think, right.

1:18:11Wyatt Russell:Oh, you know what? I forgot to say, there's a good doggy in it, isn't there? because the picture we used in here is a lovely doggy. The dog. The dog is good. The dog. He knew it had some good marks for that.

1:18:18Kurt Russell:And also, Phil Dunst's character exclusively speaks to the dog in Italian and it's so cute. That's good. So cute.

1:18:25Wyatt Russell:Oh, okay. Bruce, then, be sure to stick around for the buttock shot which comes in a later episode.

1:18:31Kurt Russell:Totally, totally worth it. Just for that. Dun bum?

1:18:33Wyatt Russell:Who knows?

1:18:34Kurt Russell:No, no. I promise you. I promise you you're seeing Phil Dunst. No, no, no. I know I could.

1:18:39Wyatt Russell:No. Next up this week, we have the return of The Capture on BBC One. This is a show that handled deep fakes and digital manipulation before they became ubiquitous, really, in real life. It now returns four years, four years after the second series. Feeling more timely than ever before, I'm saying. This once again sees Holiday Granger as Rachel Carey, who is now, because this takes, even though it's four years later, this is set one year after series two. She is now running SO15, which is the Counter-Terrorism Command Unit, and she's spearheading the launch of an all-new camera designed to separate real footage from manipulated ones, as well as presumably the AI slot videos of cats with machine guns.

1:19:19Wyatt Russell:Steph, if you are indeed the real Steph, give us the lowdown on series three. Do you watch The Capture, Steph? Have you seen series one and two?

1:19:26Kurt Russell:So I watched the first series of The Capture.

1:19:29Wyatt Russell:Yes.

1:19:30Kurt Russell:And then for some reason, I don't know why, I haven't seen the second series, which is stupid, isn't it? It is, yeah. It's deeply stupid. Idiotic. When did it come out, the second series?

1:19:39Wyatt Russell:Four years ago. Yeah, you just said that. Yeah, four years ago.

1:19:42Kurt Russell:Four years ago. Okay, baby.

1:19:43Wyatt Russell:Oh, Steph was like, oh yeah, I was busy. Four years ago, I was busy. No, I was busy. Oh, you were having a baby?

1:19:48Kurt Russell:No, no, no, no, because she's six now, but she's like two.

1:19:51Wyatt Russell:So you were two years into having a baby? Yeah, I was just like,

1:19:54Kurt Russell:you know, a lot of soft playing, just in all those classes and shit.

1:19:57Wyatt Russell:Your poor daughter's having taken the blame for your shoddy TV.

1:19:59Kurt Russell:It's her fault. It's her fault. There's like a gaping hole in my viewing because I was, you know, watching fucking shit on Netflix, you know, all that kiddie stuff. Anyway, right. Anyway, wow. I mean, I don't think I've been as blown away by a show. I almost couldn't believe what I was watching. Firstly, it scares the shit out of me because I'm watching this and I'm thinking, oh my God, is this actually happening? Because it's all so believable. It probably is all happening now.

1:20:26Wyatt Russell:It's much more believable now than it was four years ago, yeah.

1:20:28Kurt Russell:Well, so this whole thing, this capture thing, which is the AI faces and people use... Correction. They talk about correction.

1:20:35Wyatt Russell:Correction is digitally manipulating video footage.

1:20:39Kurt Russell:Yes, sorry, I meant correction.

1:20:39Wyatt Russell:to essentially make people do things they're not doing or to show people as being other people, which back then, when season two came out, series two came out, was science fiction. Now it's just Instagram.

1:20:48Kurt Russell:I mean, my God, the amount of times that they could have, like, it was a cliffhanger in this episode. I just kept going, oh my God. Like, it's really heart-stopping, isn't it? God, it delivers. This is definitely not a show you can watch while doing anything else because you're so focused on what fuck is happening and thinking, oh my God, how is Holiday Granger going to get out of this situation? It's so, like, it's really intense. So this is going to sound strange, but this episode felt like a series finale. I don't know if you all agree with that point. There's a lot happening. Yeah, and I was like, how, if it starts like this, where the fuck is it going to go?

1:21:29Kurt Russell:Because this is unbelievable. I don't want to give, it's hard to talk about this without giving you any spoilers. and I don't want to give any spoilers because the bang, bang, bang of this episode, the pacing of this episode is so insanely brilliant. It's masterful. And I also don't want to ruin it for you. You should just watch it.

1:21:48Wyatt Russell:It's hard to talk about this.

1:21:50Kurt Russell:It's really hard to talk about. Mentioning anything.

1:21:53Wyatt Russell:There are a lot of plot twists from the very first episode.

1:21:57Kurt Russell:I mean, God, I really was blown away by how good this was. But like I said, it does feel like a finale, so I don't know what they're going to do I'm hoping that you've watched more no they only gave us

1:22:07Wyatt Russell:two episodes I watched two yeah

1:22:09Kurt Russell:right I only watched the first one because I was busy doing it all kicks off

1:22:13Wyatt Russell:in the first one to be fair and then it continues to kick off in the second one does it keep that pace

1:22:17Kurt Russell:oh yeah

1:22:18Wyatt Russell:I was annoyed they told me they were going to give me three episodes and I haven't got a third episode yet so I'm still I'm just you know furious it is absolutely fucking brilliant and this is the most I think the capture is the most underrated show a show that is absolutely phenomenal. I thought Season 1 was great, Season 2 was even better. Ben Chaynon, the creator of it, did our pilot live show where we debuted the first episode of Series 2, I seem to remember. And he somehow ratcheted it up even more. Well, he has done a really difficult job of, as James said, reflecting the fact that now you can do these fake facial recognition and all of that on Instagram and on social media.

1:23:02Wyatt Russell:pretty much anyone can do it and it's horrifically real it's insane but he's somehow, to me I don't know anything about, you know, apart from what you see in the news and what you see around you but he seems to have kind of tapped into what's going on in the world in all of these seasons advancing it just enough to make you feel like he's completely on top of what is the latest tech and what they're working on, what Holiday Granger's gang are working on seems to be the kind of thing that we would need right now that people will still be working on at the same time there's an investigation going on into the use of it and abuse of it that happened in series two you don't know who she can trust at all like she's surrounded by all two different people Leah Williams' character Ron Perlman's character from the CIA Ben Miles all these people kind of are returning from previous shows Papa S.E.A.

1:23:50Wyatt Russell:do of course but you just don't know they're all like she can't fucking trust anyone basically and it's got that paranoiac conspiracy thriller thing off to an absolute T it's up there for me with Line of Duty I agree just in terms of and the storytelling as you say is so propulsive there's so many twists it almost goes right Line of Duty you thought you could watch an episode of Line of Duty and you know they'd have at least five or six things going on the final shot at the end of the first episode is going to have you absolutely breathlessly wanting to carry on this outdoes it even more it's an absolute it's like it's thrown down the gauntlet you know it's a real mic drop isn't it yeah it's an absolute mic drop it's like Ben Cheney is somehow thrown down the gauntlet to his fellow dramatists working in this world of paranoid conspiracy thriller kind of stuff and he's just done an amazing job.

1:24:35Wyatt Russell:I think it's phenomenal. I think it's like, you know, if this isn't up there with my top shows of the year, I would be stunned.

1:24:41Kurt Russell:Yeah, I mean,

1:24:42Wyatt Russell:it's thrilling. Conor Day Grange, I watched the first episode thinking, no one does reaction shots. Oh my gosh, she's brilliant. In episode one, there's a thing, she's watching a thing play out. Yeah. Trying not to spoil anything. And just, everything is played out on her face. The face acting. It's just incredible face acting. She is genius at face acting. And I think, you know, because kind of the storyline and what's going on rests on her face acting in many ways. It's just, it's brilliant. No, she's amazing.

1:25:12Kurt Russell:There's another scene, there's a scene in her apartment. Again, I'm not going to give it away, but I was like, oh my God. But yeah, she's phenomenal. It's so thrilling, this. So, so thrilling. I totally agree with you. It's more than up there with Line of Duty, more than up there.

1:25:26Wyatt Russell:But what's hilarious kind of is what Boyd said, is that if you were to ask the majority of people, do you watch The Capture, they'd be like, what? No, exactly, yeah. Never have heard of it. That's why I mean it's underrated. Which is deranged. I think if you've watched it, you rate it as highly as it needs to be. But it is weird. It doesn't feel like it's part of the culture. I think hopefully this will be a turning point.

1:25:42Kurt Russell:Yeah, why is that, though, do you think? Why is it?

1:25:45Wyatt Russell:It's a very good question. I genuinely don't know. I guess there just hasn't been as much noise about it. But as Boyd said, I do wonder whether this third series really will land for the simple reason that previously, it didn't feel like super far-fetched, but now this is our lived reality like when all the war stuff started kicking off with Iran and whatnot the amount of stuff that was on social media pretending to be a lot of battleships sinking and it was just all AI generated nonsense so we are already at the point now where you cannot trust anything you see at all because it's basically photoreal the manipulation is and that's the premise of this show that they're able to just manipulate video footage and while before it was just like oh that's kind of a scary idea now it's just like shit this is life and I think that maybe will resonate with people but even if none of that was the case it is still a nuts and bolts brilliant conspiracy thriller it's fantastically thrilling the set up is good the storytelling is great because the previous ones like the first series was as you know it was about a guy who was being convicted of a crime based on video images had been doctored this has ratcheted up the status and the series two with puppy S.E.A.

1:26:51Wyatt Russell:do had more it was more thrilling there was more going on more action in it this one has sort of seen it crank up another notch like shifted into an even higher gear so now and I think only with this third series is it now it almost has the velocity in fact not even almost it 100 % has the velocity of latter season line of duty at this point because it goes along pell-mell at a thousand miles an hour from the very first episode and you're just like well strap in and it's absolutely brilliant yeah

1:27:17Kurt Russell:I think I think what was so exciting to me about it is because we've watched a couple of shows that we've mentioned they seemed a bit slow and it seemed like you'd be doing something else and this I really enjoyed the fact that you had to watch and actually you really couldn't take your eyes off it because it was that thrilling and it was that exciting but yeah God what a show

1:27:37Wyatt Russell:I'm also obsessed with Rachel Carey's green coat you know how you say all detectives like you need it's outerwear it's all about outerwear when it comes to TV detectives whether it be oh okay I'm just looking at I'm not just looking at a picture of it I wish she was wearing a blue coat in this shot a publicity shot also that's a suit she's not wearing a coat Yeah, that's when she goes to meet him. But like, you know the green coat that she wears? I mean, it's not Lenny James' puffer. You know, not that he's a detective. You know what I mean? It's getting there. But that green coat, that's a good coat.

1:28:05Wyatt Russell:Luther's coat. Luther's coat. Iconic coats. Iconic coats. Iconic outerwear is the thing for TV dramas. I think it can elevate a show, and that is a great green coat.

1:28:12Kurt Russell:Lenny is a detective of sorts.

1:28:15Wyatt Russell:He's like a home detective, yes. And if I were a home detective, I too would have a yellow puffer. Home detective. He detects things at home. Yeah. He has a puffer jacket in pilot yellow.

1:28:26Kurt Russell:Yes. No, I know. I wear it, yeah.

1:28:28Wyatt Russell:Very on brand. But yes, yes, good outerwear is very important.

1:28:31Kurt Russell:Okay.

1:28:32Wyatt Russell:Well, God, what a show. What a show. The Capture then, Series 3, which lands on BBC One. When, Boydie? Well, it just started yesterday, Sunday, the 8th of March. It's going out weekly, and it's not all on the iPlayer. You see, you can tell when a thing is, when the BBC knows it's got a very exciting, tense thriller on its hand when it does not put it all out in one go. So you have to watch it week by week by week. Not available. on iPlayer or on Boyd's Screener account. I know. Well, episode one's available on iPlayer, but episode two... Sorry,

1:29:00Kurt Russell:how many episodes are there?

1:29:01Wyatt Russell:Just one so far. Just one a week, Sunday week. Oh, six, I believe. Just one. This is one episode of the show. It's basically a film. It's a film. I believe it's six episodes. Six episodes, yes. Fantastic. Finally, this week, we have gone on ITV1 a missing persons drama with David Morrissey as the kind of martinet headmaster of a posh boys boarding school and Emma Appleton as his daughter who is also a part of the faculty. Eve Miles is a police officer and she gets involved in their lives when Morrissey's wife goes missing and with him coming across very strongly like a massive wrongun, it all seems a little bit suspicious.

1:29:39Wyatt Russell:This course comes from George Kay who brought us such shows as Lupin and Hijack, we should say. And the show explores the idea of elitism and how privilege can make people feel untouchable by the rules that govern normal people. who better then than virgin gold club member Boyd Hilton to tell us all about it gold club gold member Austin Powers yes Boyd Hilton in gold member let me just say that I very much enjoyed this because so it's funny there's so many thrillers I mean there's not only so many thrillers on TV at the moment there's thrillers about people disappearing left right and centre vanished we did that one recently there was the one about the sleepover with the kid who vanishes I can't remember what that was called Was it All Her Fault?

1:30:25Wyatt Russell:No It was another different one Oh yeah the one with the play date the one that was play date and then got called something else with Holiday Granger Which is actually running on ITV now on it was running on ITV Wednesday or Thursday nights at the moment so you can't move for disappeared people basically they're all over the fucking place But they're not

1:30:43Kurt Russell:are they?

1:30:44Wyatt Russell:It's kind of the point I've got to think about titles right gone it's just like isn't that couldn't you come up with something more better you just said you really liked it

1:30:55Kurt Russell:you can't miss it

1:30:56Wyatt Russell:it's the title literally the title I just worry that it's going to get lost and forgotten you know at the end of the year when you go thinking which one was that was it vanished or was it gone or was it you know that's what I was thinking

1:31:05Kurt Russell:what are the titles of these things they're talking about I know

1:31:07Wyatt Russell:I do find like generic titles are a nightmare for those of us who struggle to remember the names of shows at the best of times things like it's like it's not her fault or nobody wants this of stuff it's like stop naming shows things like that all her thought is better than just gone I mean it just feels like a bit so generic I think they thought it was quite bold maybe anyway that's a minor detail

1:31:31Kurt Russell:it really is

1:31:32Wyatt Russell:I think what George K is great at is what she did with Hijack and what was the other thing he said he couldn't even Loupin Loupin get over my senility you have to get used to it Loupin

1:31:43Kurt Russell:I've been dealing with it for many many years we should say

1:31:46Wyatt Russell:Hijack Loupin one word titles yeah yeah that's true and Lupin just a high word a one word title about a character's name so you know I mean that's obviously cheating there but anyway what George Kaye is really good at is taking these very big kind of genre pieces if you like thrillers essentially or you know Lupin a crime caper kind of thriller hijack mixing thriller with like disaster movie almost tropes and kind of making them elevating them above and beyond what is the norm for this kind of show I think and I think it helps that you've got David Morrissey who I love in everything and does brilliant, lugubrious, disapproving, embittered, twisted characters brilliantly.

1:32:26Wyatt Russell:And he's oozing inner turmoil in this role. I think he's fantastic. The way he walks and talks and stands there and stares at people. He's got an incredible presence. Incredible presence. And Eve Miles, I have to say, she's absolutely equally brilliant. And she's just great at being that kind of likeable. Her dialogue, I think it's really well written because the dialogue, her dialogue feels completely naturalistic and establishes her as kind of a normal human being in this context of people where she's embroiled in a case that she's kind of is investigating on the side because she's kind of sidelined in the investigation, but dealing with her frankly irritating colleagues who undervalue her and dealing with the various suspects in this case of this disappeared woman.

1:33:10Wyatt Russell:And she just makes it so real and natural. She just imbues it with the naturalism I think is really fantastic. She's always been brilliant. going back to Torchwood the brilliant Doctor Who spin-off Broadchurch Broadchurch and so this is a brilliant role for her and the scenes between the two of them are just great like you really want more and more of those it's kind of it ends up being a pretty traditional whodunit to be honest like there's enough candidates and suspects to

1:33:32Kurt Russell:have you watched all of it?

1:33:33Wyatt Russell:and this is what I was going to say I'm up to episode 4 I've watched 4 of 6 I think this is 6 part was it 5 or 6 part? I think it's 6 6 yeah you've watched the whole thing

1:33:40Kurt Russell:no I haven't watched the whole thing Rooster was the thing I watched that one

1:33:42Wyatt Russell:well I have to say you know I've got to the end of episode four and you're it does a again George K does a brilliant job of swinging from one kind of suspect to another and making one character more prominent you think oh they've definitely done it that character's definitely done it and then no like ten minutes later oh no actually maybe you've brought this you're giving a scenes with this character maybe they've done it I genuinely have no idea right now three quarters of the way through the series who the fuck did it and what the fuck exactly happened and that's really clever and the final my final note of acclaim because I do think this is a really good show.

1:34:15Wyatt Russell:And it's harder than you think. I think he's very good at making the psychological decisions that people take in these situations believable and real. So often, I was talking to someone else about this the other day, a TV writer, so often on TV thrillers, and there are a dime a dozen, every week there's another, you queen of crime, obviously you're in touch with all of them. We've reviewed many of them, if not most of them. and often you just kind of like there are things that happen that are just so unlikely and ridiculous decisions being made by characters in the middle of these kind of plots you think why would you do that?

1:34:51Wyatt Russell:that's ridiculous but this I think George K goes out of his way of explaining why people do things in certain situations that seem silly and misguided but actually he gives you the psychological reasons why and I totally bought into all of that so I think it's a really enjoyable entertaining and gripping show and I think it's a cut above the usual you know prime time it's not quite in a week of the capture and gone

1:35:14Kurt Russell:God what a week it is a really good week

1:35:16Wyatt Russell:for big mainstream thrillers the capture is genius and this is very very very good I think yeah

1:35:22Kurt Russell:had I not seen the capture I would have been I think I would have been even more excited about this and if Under Salt Marsh had not been released this year I would also be more excited about this I think this is really good I really love it when you've got a detective who has a lingering unsolved case that also becomes part of the main story.

1:35:44Wyatt Russell:That old chestnut.

1:35:45Kurt Russell:I just do. I just love it when there's something that's been giving them some turmoil for years and it's traditionally like eight years ago that something happened in a case they didn't solve and Eve Mars has that and she also has her own demons and relationship demons. But my God, he's going to... James is going to murder you. This is going to be the next thriller.

1:36:10Wyatt Russell:We've got one minute left.

1:36:11Kurt Russell:David Morrissey, my God, he scared the absolute shit out of me. He's so brilliant in this domineering, overbearing role. And I don't think it's a spoiler to say, you immediately think, oh, well, it was him.

1:36:22Wyatt Russell:Oh, yeah. I don't know. It's by design.

1:36:24Kurt Russell:But yeah, and then it's absolutely brilliant. And I think it's going to convert James permanently to ITV dramas.

1:36:32Wyatt Russell:I mean, I don't think it will. I think Broadchurch did that now.

1:36:35Kurt Russell:Oh, okay, yeah, that's true.

1:36:36Wyatt Russell:But I liked it. Didn't love it, but I did like it. I thought it was solid. I think, you're right, I think E. Mars is fantastic. David Morrissey is magnificent in this. Emma Hamilton, I think, is really good in this as well. I think she plays that role brilliantly. And adds to the kind of weird dynamic within that family. It's also interesting because it's desaturated heavily to almost make it look like a period piece, which I thought was an interesting choice. Initially, I was like, oh, is this set in the 80s? I thought initially because it has that kind of washed out look Yes, it does which I thought was an interesting you know stylistic wrinkle but yeah I thought it was a really interesting setting for that kind of classic missing person mystery and I really like the idea that that they wrong foot you I mean do they wrong foot you for all I know he literally did it because I haven't seen the whole show but he's so dour and moody and difficult and borderline coercive controlling certainly that's the impression he gives you don't actually know that when you meet him I mean, he's so, like, every red flag for the detectives goes off the second they meet him.

1:37:37Wyatt Russell:I just thought that was a really fun way of framing it. It goes through, like, sometimes, initially, oh, he definitely did it, and then you're like, oh, no, no, he didn't, and then you're like, oh, actually, he's done it again. It flows brilliantly like that. Can I just mention the director, Richard Laxton, who is brilliant. He directed Joan last year. Do you remember Joan? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The story of that. And he did him, he goes back to him and her. Sophie Turner. Sophie Turner, yeah. He goes back to him and her. I remember seeing him on set for him and her, the classic Russell Tovey show.

1:38:01Kurt Russell:Not his and hers, the fantastic Netflix show. No, exactly.

1:38:03Wyatt Russell:But he's done a brilliant job of creating that. He has got a visual style to it, which I think is really interesting, yeah. Right, Gone Then, which is on the ITV, Wemboidy? That started yesterday as well. That's on Sundays and Mondays for three weeks.

1:38:17Kurt Russell:Sundays and Mondays. Yeah, that's quite common.

1:38:19Wyatt Russell:Sundays and Mondays. Transmission plan at the moment, yeah. It's quite common.

1:38:22Kurt Russell:Transmission plan.

1:38:23Wyatt Russell:Transmission plan. Other things out this week. Oh my God, it's quite a busy week, isn't it? I am going to...

1:38:28Kurt Russell:This is official. This is fine.

1:38:30Wyatt Russell:This is official, yeah. it's okay to turn this page. This is an official... This is what James gets furious when I turn the page. Yes, it's maddening. Okay. The Louis Theroux documentary, the aforementioned, is on Wednesday on the Netflix. Yes, Inside the Manosphere. There's a so-called This Close starting on ITV on Thursday, which is created by deaf actors. It's all about deaf characters and what they have to fill up with. Claudia Wickham's chat show starts on Friday. We all need to know that. 10.40 BBC One. Outlander, the final season, begins on MGM+. Oh, that began on MGM +, on Saturday, sorry.

1:39:00Wyatt Russell:Oh, A Woman of Substance is a huge... Oh, A Woman of Substance. Any other week, probably would have done it. Maybe we'll try it.

1:39:04Kurt Russell:No, is it Channel 4? Yeah, Channel 4.

1:39:06Wyatt Russell:Wednesday, Wednesday. One Piece Season 2 lands on Netflix, if you're into that. That's on Tuesday. Ellis Season 2, Ellis, the Channel 5, Detective Drama with Sharon D. Clarke, the great Sharon D. Clarke. Sure, why not? James doesn't. Scarpetta. Yes.

1:39:19Kurt Russell:Scarpetta, Nicole Kidman. Prime Video, Wednesday,

1:39:21Wyatt Russell:heavily embargoed. Which we will cover on Pilot Plus as well as quite possibly Louis III. Okay, yeah. So Scarpetta starts on Wednesday on Prime Video. Virgin Rivers back on Thursday one of K's favourites and did you mention The Madison the other Yellowstone spinoff Michelle Pfeiffer with Michelle Pfeiffer right is it actually it is it's a Yellowstone spinoff and that starts on Paramount Plus on Saturday there you go there we go and did you mention the other Bennett sister

1:39:49Kurt Russell:BBC One Sunday

1:39:50Wyatt Russell:no you're absolutely right the other Bennett sister which is on the Sunday yes so a lot going on a lot of shows a lot of shows going on but that's all we've got time for on this week's podcast if you haven't left us a review and honestly we've been going now for about 8 years so there's really no excuse but if you'd like to leave us a 5 star rating then we would obviously appreciate it and if you want to follow us on the social medias at Boyd Hilton at Steph Sealand at James C. Dyer God knows I need new Instagram followers so please feel free to and at Pilot TV Pod and we will be in your ears on Thursday doing Scott Petter and next week oh so many things Invincible Imperfect Woman I think technically Peaky Blinders lands on Netflix that week so if we're going to cover it that might be the week that we cover that we'll see but yeah good times goodbye from Boydie goodbye

1:40:33Kurt Russell:I thought we were going to do our pick of the week oh we didn't do our pick of the week it was the capture it's the capture for all three of us

1:40:38Wyatt Russell:it's the capture

1:40:39Kurt Russell:okay it is the capture format wise depending on what depending on what your mood in it no it's the capture it's the capture it's 100 % stop it Steph okay it is the capture

1:40:49Wyatt Russell:it's fantastic yeah okay fine and it's goodbye from the bum obsessed Steph Sealand

1:40:53Kurt Russell:listen just take my advice Bridgerton rooster what time to be what time to be alive

1:40:59Wyatt Russell:Steph's bum watch that's what's going to be a new segment on this podcast right it's fine okay let's go now we can put this whole thing behind us pilot out