Colin From Accounts, and The Gentlemen. With guests Paddy Young and Jack Shep

33:46So there's a certain amount, certainly with the husband, of wanting to kind of explain his side of the story. And then even the children, you know, the older children who had been on social media, again, there's a certain part of them who wanted to reclaim their lives after what had happened. So I think, but what I think the other thing that makes that documentary extraordinary is now we have so much access to a film, police camera footage. So all the police officers have body cam footage, which, as I say, brings authenticity to the story. But I think when you intersperse that... And interview footage.

34:27Exactly. It's all there. It's everything. All the way through, the level of access. The access is... And in answer to your question, why would you want to... I think, because what she did is... And she has an explanation, shall I spoil it in case people haven't? I think we've stopped short of explaining exactly why she did these things. No, don't exploit it. But there is an explanation of what she did to her kids, right? But it's so mad that you're basically learning about the human condition, I think, when you watch a show like this. You're learning the extremes of the human mind. And it is unbelievably disturbing.

35:02I'm not saying you should watch it. In a million years, I will not watch this. But if you can take it, if you can sit back and dispassionately watch what's going on, understand what's going on, it is the horror of it. And beliefs, people's mad beliefs, I found it incredibly powerful. And the way people become indoctrinated. All of that. You love psychology. From a psychology perspective, it's really interesting. It's really, really interesting. This part I don't doubt, but I also struggle with the kind of bleakness of humanity. You do. and I don't think I need more evidence to you in no way would I recommend James Toshier or anyone who would be all the trigger warnings but if you can take it I ended up watching it totally by accident because you were and Kay had as well and it is one of the best crime true crime so to speak documentaries I've ever seen have you watched The Jinx?

35:53yeah I've watched The Jinx I've watched the classic I mean Making a Murderer I ended up interviewing the directors of that at BAFTA do you remember when they did season two blah blah blah he's still right he's still in prison that guy yeah and you haven't watched Making a Murderer have you no so again I think you would find that interesting I already know what happens well yeah but I think I think you're there's some that come at come at it from the psychological perspective which I think you as someone who's very interested in that kind of thing would enjoy I'm going to find you one that's good I admire your determination to get James to watch stuff that we know he's not going to watch You've cut yourself off from something that I think you would find interesting, so I'm going to find you something.

36:36I think I would prefer it in a kind of condensed 10-minute discussion rather than having to sit through like an eight-part documentary. Like this, that's why we've done it here now. So, well done you, you've done it. I've done it, well done. So, but just to say, The Devil in the Family is on iPlayer, and it is, if you haven't watched it, it is fucking unbelievable. That is what I have been watching. I had decided, because I was flying, because I'd just come back from, let me be honest, my holiday was slightly less memorable than yours. I went and did some horror houses and went on some roller coasters, that was basically it.

37:01Didn't bang my head on anything, really, at all. Did you have to go... Were you going to review roller coasters? Also, you're officially describing it as a holiday now. Yeah, pretty much. I'm under no illusions that it was work. What was it work, though? Did you go... Yeah, I mean, yes, there was an element of work to it, but let's be honest, I went to a theme park. Like, you know, it's in a grey area, right? Did somebody pay for you to go on roller coasters? That's what I need to get to. I was not personally given any money, no. Right, but they just said, can you go and tell us what you think?

37:28It was paid for. That's what I mean. Someone paid someone, but I was not junkies so what I mean is they go do you want to come on some roller coasters in Florida and you go yeah alright yeah basically do you like roller coasters I mean who doesn't I don't you don't like roller coasters I don't either I don't either but he's been doing this every year for about 10 years oh I remember there we go oh this is the decades long jolly yes thank you I think you're referring to my essential work assignments how many roller coasters did you go on I mean that's academic but I will say the Velocicoaster and Stardust were both absolute bangers.

38:00Also Hagrid, the Hagrid motorbike ride is my favourite. I love that. It's great. Somebody else I know said that they went on the Hagrid motorbike ride. Oh, it's so good. Always be on the bike though. Don't be on the sidecar. And even if you have a small child, make them go on the sidecar. You actually have to ride a bike. But it's so cool. Actually being on the bike makes it feel amazing. It's really cool. Oh my God. Did you just go on the... And there's a Stardust one. They have two roller coasters and they kind of... So you're racing. So like, in our group, some of us went on one, and some was one and the other.

38:26And the two roller coasters race and they twine in and out so you're seeing your friends kind of flying around you. By the way, did you meet Jonathan Ross's daughter, Honey, there? Yes. Yes, she's part of our group. She mentioned it. Yeah, I love it. She's great. Her and Jonathan's film review show is very good. Her boyfriend is a friend of mine who has appeared on this very podcast because he is Gav, the Welshman who provided the Welsh voiceover for this podcast. Oh my God, I did not know that. We're all connected. That is extraordinary. I religiously listen to Honey and Jonathan Ross's podcast every week and it's great.

38:52You've never mentioned that before. You've mentioned a lot of other podcasts. I've never mentioned that one. I think you'll find I mention it once or twice. I don't like to mention it too often because people think I'm saying it's better than the Empire film podcast. It's what my other podcast I listen to would describe as podultery, Boyd. But what I'm saying is both podcasts are very good. If you're a film fan, and they do film and TV on Honey and Jonathan Roth's podcast, which I've mentioned once before at least, definitely. Anyway. It's fine. We can plug Honey's podcast. It's all good. I'm glad that you met her.

39:17Yeah, because she's great. God, this is a real podcast to discover today. Anyway, so the point is we weren't there just to go on the rollercoaster. coasters or to hang out at the water park volcano bay which is a lot of fun but uh we did the halloween horror night i want to go to i saw that on instagram the other day because it has a big volcano yes it does so fun oh it's great yeah i bet it's about a billion pound to go to though wouldn't know uh anyway anyway as i was saying i was like we uh we went to the halloween horror night so that's you spend the whole night and they have like 10 horror houses they spend all your building them and then we do them all back to back like in one night one scream-filled exhausting night and it's and i put a video up on my instagram i know i reposted it but i didn't watch it did you I mean who could blame you the horror houses yes when you say horror houses it's like just like going in like a room which is like a haunted house no it's like a maze like you go through it's a whole sound stage and you walk through it so and I can talk about this because one of them at least is TV related which is they did a Stranger Things season 5 house and so you walk through and you start in the upside down and like Castle Byers is there and there are like Demogorgons and Vecna jumps out you and Eleven's there and the kids are there and you see like the ending with that not to spoil Are they playing Running Up That Hill?

40:23No, actually, weirdly, they didn't, which I found quite strange. Maybe they didn't get the rights. Maybe that's more of a season four thing, though, isn't it? Oh, no. But it was great. It was great. That wasn't my favourite house evening. My favourite house, the Sinners' house, was fantastic. But the Hellraiser one was my favourite. Is that just a thing they do always, then? Have houses, horror houses? Yeah, every year. It's massive. It's massive. The guy who's kind of the master behind it is a guy called Mike Ello, and he's a genius. And he's so into his horror, and he loves all this stuff. And he gets so excited when he gets a new IP.

40:52But they did a Fallout one last year. So it's all like there tend to be 10 houses. There's normally five or six IP ones which are based on films and TV shows and then the others are original horror things. But it's like, you know, like Halloween, like no one does Halloween like America. Like no one. And it's like, it's an institution. Like it starts at the end of August. It runs to like the end of November. It goes on for so long. And obviously Universal is a very sort of family-friendly theme park. And then when it gets to nighttime, it completely shifts because they've got all this like dark stuff comes out and you get the scare zones outside where like maniacs with chainsaws and masks and stuff are like running up to you.

41:27I'm out. It's properly terrifying because you'd be like sitting there having like a Coke or something and suddenly this killer clown with blood dripping from his fangs comes up to you with this incredibly loud actual like revving chainsaw thing without blades. Oh my God, I could definitely get a job there at the moment. If I take this off, I could be, yeah. You could fit right in. You could scare the shit out of people. I do not understand. I know, again, this is going to sound weird because I've loosely loved to come. I do not understand why you'd want to have the shit scared out of you right and also then go on a rollercoaster to like physically be do you know what I mean why would you want to do that we're all adrenaline junkies I don't get I don't get rollercoasters at all love them like do I want to feel like I'm so close to death because this might do you know what I mean you're not I mean look you might be at Thorpe Park but steady steady I just say for sake of our lawyers that was a joke that was a joke I did not mean it that is not true please do not sue us but I mean you've got like I guess you have a seatbelt.

42:21You're buckled in. You're not in danger of flying off the rollercoaster. I found them terrifying as well. I don't. Really? Not for me. No, no, no. I have absolute faith that I'm not going to come off them. No. I was in Disneyland Paris, and I went on this one which was like Crusher's Coaster, and I was only going on it because I was with my American friends, and they were like, we're all going on Crusher's Coaster. And I was like, yeah. It goes up and down and round and round. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't want to do that. I don't need all that movement. Steph's very much a two feet on the ground kind of girl.

42:48Two feet on the ground, straight ahead, thanks. Person on the ground. Yes, you are the POG. Oh, God, did they do upside-downy ones? Oh, so many upside-downy ones, yes. Oh, no. Yeah, the Velocicoaster is incredibly fast. I think it goes like 70 miles an hour. It's absolutely wild. Nah. Tapping out. Not for me. Not for me. No? Me boy, like a gentle merry-go-round. I'd like to be able to go on a freebie to Florida, Universal Studios every year and just sit in the hotel having a lovely time. I wouldn't want to go on the actual rides. Do you have to go on them? I mean, that is kind of the point of the trip.

43:16I know, but if you got up there Sure, I'm going to stay in the bar. This one looks a bit too scary for me. Would you be in trouble? I mean, I don't know if I'd be in trouble. I don't think they'd force me to go on it. But no, it's fun. I love it. It's great. Anyway, anyway, anyway, we've now moved on from my exploits and horror houses and stuff. The whole point was, I had got Mare of Kingtown ready to watch on the flight out. I was going to do it. It was going to be my trip. And then, well, and I was ready to go. and then, and it's Boyd's fault, I'm saying. It's either yours or Kay's fault. I can't remember which one, but I'm going to say it's Boyd because Boyd is here.

43:53The podcast we recorded just before I left, one of them mentioned another show. Yes, but James, I mentioned Mare of Kingstown. I know, but I'm like a golden retriever. I only remember the last thing I see. And they said, and I went, oh my God, I'm going to watch that on the plane. And so instead of watching Mare of Kingstown, which I watched none of, I watched the entirety of Stirling Point. and I loved every single second of it. It is amazing. I love it. It is one of my favourite shows of the year. That was me. That was me. It was you. It's wonderful. And someone said like, oh, it'll totally scratch your off-campus itch.

44:26I was like, it will not. Let me tell you, it did. And it's not the same show. It's a very different show, but we're having a banner year for YA television. We really are. Oh, now I feel really jealous that I haven't watched that. It's so good. But the thing is, it's very different. But what I love about it, and I know this is going to sound mad, because the set-up is, and we have talked about it a bit on this podcast, is that there's these two twins in New York and they're raised by their dad. And they inherit the money. Yeah, they inherit an island, essentially. And so they go to the island, or she does, she goes to the island, and he goes to the island to find out what is happening.

44:57You know, this mysterious grandfather, her mother died when she was young. What's going on with all this sort of stuff? And so she goes there and then stuff happens. What is so good about this is the character work is fucking on point. And there's a real... Obviously, I am not a teenager, but there was a real all-authenticity you're kind of me shocked yeah exactly you know like when you watch a lot of teen shows I mean Dawson's Creek for example where under no in no universe is that actually how teenagers speak or behave it is 100 % a teen show written by a middle-aged man like that is what that is and most teen shows are like that this show feels like this is how teenagers speak this is how they behave this is it feels so authentic and the characters are so rounded and they really do steer away from kind of tropes like having the like oh there's two boys they're interested in her oh, this one's clearly going to turn out to be a dick.

45:45And it's like, well, actually, no, they're actually really nuanced and really interesting characters. And it's nowhere near as cut and dry that everyone, all of the characters have good sides and bad sides, like actual human beings, right? But that's quite unusual for teen shows. And the shading of these characters is great. It's also incredibly gripping. You get so invested in all the family revelations and the fact that every episode ends on a massive what the fuck cliffhanger. And yes, there's melodrama in here. And there are a couple of turns where you're like, really? but most of the way through you are fucking invested I could not stop watching it I mainlined the entire thing back to back and I loved every second of it I am do you know what you know how much I hate it when you finish things before me I am going to go home and I am going to stay up all night until I've finished it you will love it you absolutely will Ella Rubin who plays Annie in this is unbelievable do you know what her performance is incredible it makes me so happy when you get so excited and passionate about something it really does it fills my cup Let's just remember that I was there first.

46:44He did. Did you ever see the whole thing? I haven't seen the whole thing. I've got about halfway through. Like with the pit? Yeah, basically. Because there's another, do you know what, there's another one coming up. I can't wait. Which Prime are absolutely killing it with these TV shows. Netflix have got one coming up, which is Crew Girl, which is heavily embargoed, otherwise we could have done it. But that's about a girl arriving to cocks a male royalty. Steady. a girl arriving it's about a girl arriving to cocks I think that's kind of what all teen shows are about on one level or another steady they do make reference even though it's all about rowing and why she is a cocks oh rowing now oh brilliant rowing rowing hockey it's the rowing version it's not it's quite it's 12A so it's not like you know it's fairly so fewer cocks than Avatar exactly but it's the central character in that the woman I'm ending up reviewing it which I can't do at Cevillian Bargo but what I will say is the main woman is fantastic.

47:45Okay, he can't say anymore. There are only two complaints I have about Sterling Point. Every character is incredibly believable. The performances are so naturalistic. I love them. Does it sound like a complaint? But there are two characters which stand out as not fitting the rest. Keen Ruffalo, who is Mark Ruffalo's son, does not fit in the show on any level. And there is another character, I can't remember the actor's name but she plays Rory's mum. And they are so two-dimensional and archetypal. Oh, yeah, she is. They don't feel like they're part of that show. And it's not even necessarily a comment on the performances.

48:16I don't understand why these characters were written in that way. So, like, Keane Ruffalo plays Annie's twin brother. But where she's this incredibly believable, nuanced, textured character, he's a punchline. And I just, really, that bothered me. It didn't ruin the show for me on any level, because she's not in it that much. But those two characters, I was like, what were you thinking? I'm just going to have to say, I will hear nothing against Mark Ruffalo or anyone from the Ruffalo family. No, it's Keane. Mark is great. This is his son, Keane. No, I'm saying anyone from the Ruffalo family. For all we know, he is the Chet Hanks of the Ruffalo family.

48:48I've no idea. No, he is not the... No, I don't believe he is. I'm just saying. It could be. Yeah, no, no. Do you know what really... Can I just say one thing? Keane Ruffalo's also in... Yes. What's the show I'm talking about? Come on, boy, then. Come on. Task. He's in Task. He's in Task with his dad, Mark Ruffalo. Okay. do you know what they keep kept advertising when I was in America that fucking Chad Powers oh I know yes I know which apparently is a hit and we were like yeah we didn't like it everybody loves it and I was saying oh god this show's shit and they were all going no it's great I was like is it it's because they just love that sport so much they were just it's terrible so that's the most important thing I've seen at Sterling Point I have also watched I got given the finale of Vigil which is very exciting so I'll say I'm Vigil loved it and Lioness I've seen everything now apart from the final episode of the new season and Boydie I would like to once again castigate you for your incredibly wrong and egregious review of what is a magnificent season of a superlative show oh okay he's taking it on the chin he is yeah okay but so just just to recap you know when I left you your dear one of your best friends and we had agreed that we were gonna do one of our things like we were gonna watch Mare of Kingstown because you know we're close and like and then we could do one of our special you know offbeat podcasts where we get and I make some logo and it's all fun yeah you didn't do that no I didn't do that sorry are you going to watch Mare of Kingstown it's on the sofa list how far up the sofa list is it it's quite high it is quite high it's definitely it's definitely you know ready to go I will watch it soon ish well there is no season 3 of Foundation so you've got room yeah but there are Is there a third season of Foundation?

50:37There's no fourth season of Foundation. There's also the new Temptation of Crew Girl, by the way. Honestly, it's got to the point now where bring me the teen dramas and I will drop everything and watch them because this year is the year of teen dramas. You are such a Taylor Swift. Honestly, I just pour it into my eyes. This stuff is brilliant. Pour it into my eyes. Isn't it injecting into my veins? I don't know. I don't know. Slam it into my head like a marble sink. Like a marble sack. Jesus Christ. Okay, well. Anyway, shall we move on to a listener question? Let's do it. Let's do this. This week's...

51:13Oh, speaking of listener questions, I just want to very quickly... I feel this is so egregious, it cannot wait until the next Pilot Plus. On Pilot Plus, last week, we talked about Steve. Not a particular Steve, but the fact that many, many of our listeners, and indeed everybody who writes in, is apparently just called Steve. Oh, we had that before. And the conversation we had was that, can you think of any characters who were called Steve. And we were like, oh, none other than the film Steve. No, Steve, I can't call Steve. And then someone sent me a message and it was just block capitals. It just said, Steve Rogers.

51:42I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, good point. You deserve that. Sorry to all Steves for besmirching your name. Anyway, that is not the question. The question here comes from Steve. No, it comes from Alex. And Alex says, dear Pod, I have been a supporter since the beginning but had to write in to declare Steph the people's champion. She has been great since joining, but after James and Boyd's diabolical take on Lego, where could you put it? Are you joking with all your room for film TV freebies and bookshelves or even Boyd's kitchen cupboards? I had to write in and say thank you to her for sticking up for us Lego lovers.

52:20Yes, it's expensive, but it's a good tool to de-stress and thanks to the recent correspondence, I have started a re-watch of The X-Files. Sorry, James, only mythology episodes or IMDb rated 8 or higher. to enjoy while building the X-Files Lego site. Oh, I bet that's great. On the X-Files, I was pleased with how well it holds up, and it got me excited for the potential reboot, and I would like to know your thoughts. Is there any 90s show that you would love to see rebooted, or do you have any current shows you love that you feel like your favourite shows brought back? For me, Ludwig fills a Jonathan Creek-shaped puzzle hole.

52:55Thank you all for brightening my weeks with your expert TV opinions. Oh, Alex, firstly, I'm really happy about being the People's Champion for Lego. Someone messaged me to say that they are making that Downton Abbey. Yes. Yes. Someone from Lego messaged me to say that. Yes. Yes, can't wait. Maybe they're going to send you one. Maybe they'll send it and the three of us can build it. Every week, what we could do is we could have a little break and we could just build it over the year, sorry. Build it over the year. We could do a time-lapse of just us building this Lego Downton. That would be amazing.

53:25and if only I could believe that you would commit to things that you said to me on this podcast then we could definitely do that. That's fair. I earned that. Okay, that's a great question. Do you know what? It's not 90s but I would really like a Homeland reboot. Really? Yeah, I'd like a Homeland reboot. But in what way? Like picking up with her where she ends up? No spoilers. No, going back. I want to see her before she became that character. The origin story. A Carrie origin story. Is that a reboot? it's not a reboot it's a prequel isn't it it's a prequel reboot I'd love to see that I really really would like that really yeah like in the way you know like they could have divided Scarpetta into the before and after but they do it all in the dual timeline that's why yeah regrettably regrettably but then yeah that's what I'd really like to see let me think of a 90s one while you give your answer okay I mean the one that we were going to get to see was of course Buffy which I would say is absolutely crying out for it but I fucked that didn't I what happened Yeah.

54:24They pulled the plug on it. Do you remember? Chloe Zhao was involved, Sarah Michelle Gellar was involved, and then the person, from what Sarah Michelle Gellar has said in public and on social media, the network exec was not a Buffy fan, was not really invested in the project, and just wasn't feeling it, and the whole thing got torpedoed. It is astonishing that it hasn't been rebooted yet. Yeah, it is. The other show that I've gone full which hasn't been rebooted, which I think could have been, is Ally McBeal. I had that down as well. Did you? I had it down, just an iconic 90s show. And I think people forget that it was one of the most boldly kind of cinematic of shows because it was a fairly light, legal comedy, drama, you know.

55:09Surreal comedy. Often surreal. Dancing Baby. Dancing Baby. Surreal flights of fantasy, or fantasy, fantasy, whichever the phrase is. But funnily enough, it's mentioned, we talk about it a little bit in the forthcoming book, The Queerist of Folk by Russell Davis you see what he's done here me I do and I'm going to allow it keep going my friend it was yeah it was a big influence on Russell and he picks it out as being a show that was incredibly slick and beautifully shot and lit the lighting of it was incredible so I thought you were being a bit Gen Z oh my god it was lit it was so lit it was so lit as well no more YA for you no it's taken over your mind so yeah my vote goes to the end of the year for sure and also this show was the 80s but my other show which I mentioned a few times not as much as you mentioned Friends and I Richard Seinfeld one of my other often mentioned or Frasier 30 something 30 something was I love 30 something it was genuinely groundbreaking so you're shilling now for 40 something or 50 something I want to see 40 or 50 something yeah again I find it weird that hasn't been somehow rebooted yeah that's a great show yeah I do you know can I just give you an Ali McBeal anecdote well not an anecdote story I was so obsessed with Ali McBeal like obsessed with Ali McBeal I wanted to be Ali McBeal and it got so bad it got so bad that I did six months of the first year of a law degree because I was like I'm going to be Ali McBeal before I realised that it was really British law was about mostly about like how many cows you can keep in a field and shit like that and I was like this is not for me I'm not going to be Ali McBeal I was so obsessed with it at that time because it was just at the time you did a law degree and then pivoted to publishing and Pippish I know I did a psychology degree of course you did yes I remember and then you did publishing after that yeah I did publishing after that for my master's degree anyway Ali Mubi was so influential that it nearly that's so funny this is how much that television show meant to me I was completely obsessed with it I would just it was the show at that age I was like oh my god this incredible Portia de Rossi was amazing Lucy Liu like just what a show Peter Minnichol The Biscuit just yeah I do I genuinely believe when they made the TV show of Steph's life at the end of every episode she would ascend into a basement bar and Vonda Shepard would be playing the piano absolutely do you know what else I'd really like to bring back Party of Five you probably I know Party of Five Neve Campbell that's what put her on the map oh yeah of course do you know what you're really pleasing me today in many ways Gloria Esteban is the high point this is a real close second it's the high point for all of us yeah Party of Five I love Party of Five I think that could really work now as a reboot I'd really enjoy that um Mad About You Oh, that is a great shout.

57:51That is such a good shout. I need to know what happened to Murray. Yeah, oh, that's great. I mean, if you're going to go mad about you, then, you know, I'm just going to have to say Seinfeld. No, you know, you don't have to say that at all. I do. If you're saying Seinfeld, technically the West Wing started in 1999. Therefore, the West Wing is the answer to this question and it needs a reboot. But you know what you would have been like? So when I was away, I was staying with my friend in New Jersey and her dad is a Manhattan lawyer and he only speaks in Seinfeld quotes. I kid you not. When I first got there, he was like, do you love Seinfeld?

58:21And I was like, of course I love Seinfeld. Everyone loves Seinfeld. And then he just spoke to me in Seinfeld quotes the whole time and it was amazing. It does sound amazing. We mentioned Dawson's Creek already, but Dawson's Creek. Oh, Dawson's Creek, yeah. What's happening on the creek? I don't know. I'd like to know. Well, yeah. I mean, you would say my so-called life, but obviously that's not going to happen. No, that's not going to happen. Well, not Dawson's Creek for reasons. Not with Jared Leto, anyway. No. But yes, I think we've covered it. You think we've covered it? Boyd is now bored of this question.

58:48Sorry, Alex. It's now five hours in. It is five hours in. And we haven't got anywhere near news. Do you know what? We're just compensating for the fact that we've only got two shows to review this week. So we're padding with all of this nonsense. Have you forgotten we've got guests as well? Have we? Yes, I know. I've emailed you. Yeah, I emailed you there. Don't know anything about this? On Air Admin. Everyone loves that, guys. This is good to know. Is it in the calendar? Yes, it's in the calendar. And I emailed you about it before the show. So you just said, yes, it's in the calendar. but I think I was not convinced by what you just said and I'm going to check fuck it's in the calendar right anyway that was this week's listening question if you would like your question read out on this regular pod or on Pilot Plus which you should absolutely subscribe to mainly because that's literally the only thing that funds us doing this podcast and you know you like the podcast right then please do send your messages in to postbag at pilottvpod.com apparently we now have a guest or guests Boydie would you like to tell us more about these guests that you have booked without telling me.

59:48First of all, I absolutely 100 %... It's on the calendar. He told you. Thank you. Thank you. And I emailed you at precisely 11.42am this morning. Whatever. Oh my God, it's got a timestamp. Like I've checked my emails. Like he checks his emails. There could be something urgent. You know, anything could have happened. We could have all been dying of smashing our heads. Steph's had a blow to the head. I know. She's the one. What's your excuse? Anyway, I spoke to Paddy Young and Jack Shep two of the excellent young cast of SNL UK ahead of its second season that starts up this coming Saturday I believe as we talk and it's going to be I mean it's in the title of the show, Boydie Thank you It's going to be Give me strength Give me strength It's not on Thursday Shut up It's going to be guest hosted I meant, is it this Saturday or next Saturday?

1:00:37I think it is this Saturday as this goes out and the guest host is going to be Jeff Goldblum which I didn't know when I understood him by the way otherwise I would have mentioned it but Jack Shep you remember had just won an award in Edinburgh Edinburgh TV Festival for best moment of the year when he did his Diana Princess Diana oh that was really exactly even you liked that that was genius comedy hater James Dyer so yeah Paddy Young Jack Shep interviewed by me for this very podcast which I did tell James about enjoy Paddy and Jack welcome to the Pilot TV podcast how are you both doing we're pretty good we're excited to be with Empire yeah Empire slash Pilot TV I mean It's the sister podcast of Empire.

1:01:17So, you know. Oh, well, that's a good big brother to cut you. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I love this stuff. Yeah, thanks for having me. Pleasure. Congratulations on the second series of SNL UK. And also, you were voted Best Comedy at the Edinburgh TV Festival Awards. And you got the best moment for your legendary Diana. It's true. Incredible. Legendary. I don't know if I'd say that. I think it's legendary. It's legendary, isn't it? It was shit. how was it how was it to win all these awards already winning awards getting second series well it was it was crazy because I think we I think obviously when we started everyone was set like it was there was some concerns from people they thought we should be shot and killed so it's nice that it feels great that in that way that sort of thing of what's the word validation it was really fun it was really exciting I think none of us expected to win so we were all really honestly like I don't know.

1:02:09It was like sort of probably quite cringe from an outside perspective. We were like... I caught Diana, I think, in the dress before the first episode. I just saw her at the close-up on the thing and I thought, wow, that genuinely was unbelievable. Oh, shit. So I'm glad that finally the rest of the nation's caught up with me. Yeah, it took time. It took time. It did feel like an instant iconic moment. Was it something that you'd had in your locker anyway? yeah i had done it like online and in stand-up and stuff but like in quite a very like low-key arch like is that the word like very sort of crap way i'd never like properly put my full head into it you can do all the princesses yeah yeah yeah i'm building up a roller deck i mean you and eugenia close me and you're good friends well we get more related in a way yeah through marriage but nonetheless and so i've sort of got a roller decks going of like facial expressions but I didn't think it would be in any way taken seriously.

1:03:06I thought it was quite crap but here we are. It's gone viral to new levels I think. And the thing is once I think it's viral that always means it's a good thing. Of course the British public know what they're talking about. Exactly. You do the weekend update. I do. Which is, let's face it, in itself I'm going to use the word iconic again. People use the word iconic all the time but it's true isn't it? That has been the you know so many legendary people have done it tina fey emmy polo chevy chase the first was that particularly the thing that you wanted to do when you signed up to do the show i always think i went up for both and i didn't know i i actually didn't know which one i'd go which one i'd get put in um and then didn't really realize how lucky we were doing update until we sort of started the pre-production um yeah it's it's pretty awesome i get to sit down the whole time these guys are always we wear suits which is hard because that's like hard to be dressed up you guys are often in cosies but generally if I want to I can be sat down pretty much all week if I wanted to whereas you there's times in your stood up for like half an hour yeah there's times where I'm Tom cruising around a room on a couple of yellow pages yeah but you're sort of just swinging around on a wheelie chair and that's really nice yeah that was the main appeal obviously it's really nice to be able to sit but then I will say this is that when you do stand up or acting where you stand up the energy gets to go somewhere but when you're nervous and you're behind a desk there's nowhere for anything to go to did you have that the first time you went on update you just sort of sat placed maybe when you did the golf thing did you not feel that there's nowhere for the energy to go yeah and then also you feel like really conscious of what you're like doing with your body and like when you're on and stuff yeah the best thing is to be given something where you have to hold two things right and then you're not going to do does that happen often well I always pitch for it he's always pitching to do you know speed stacking no I do the Cubs song yeah I would look forward to that in season 2 yeah yes and we should say you've just done you were in Edinburgh doing your own show right doing your stand up show how did that go it was good I think yeah four stars in the Guardian I saw damn that's good well you want five obviously you'd like that but you know you get what you get four is the heads five yes exactly four from the Guardian is like an 8.4 yeah yeah right yeah yeah it would have been five an empire at 100 yeah if we if we did reviews of comedy it would be five stars yeah which is maybe we should from now on i think you should yeah yeah let's go back to the first first show we have to yeah i i feel we have to how nervous were you was it like because there's a film of like the first night of the american version right have you watched that yeah there could be a film of your one you know in a few years time was it no it would be like a Mike Lee film.

1:05:48Yeah. Princess Diana's playing you. It would be like, it would be, it would be Chantal Ackerman's Jean Delman. It would be us like, Kitchen Sink drama. So I was just saying, you've really tamed that reference to the Empire. I'm very grateful. Thank you. Yeah, it would be like harrowing. The number one film of science sound of all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would be like that. It would be like harrowing. We were all sort of, but, but, no, it wouldn't. That's an exaggeration. No, yeah. How do you feel? Yeah, it was like this, well, at the start of Saving Private Ryan, you know, they're all just sort of stood at the top front of the boat and they're all like pissing their knickers and they're yeah that's what it felt like i was truly truly terrified they were actually shot you you well in a way we were we were shot by multiple cameras yeah exactly and the bain british public yeah no i think the bain british public yeah yeah i don't know how you felt but for me the dress went all right it was good so then immediately after that i thought oh wow okay i've got nothing to be worried about and then as time passed we got within an hour to showtime I truly felt bananas and I became fixated on it was like a fire exit I was so immersed green and white I kind of went he was there he's got synthesis yeah exactly he smelt that his voice is shit brown shit brown voice that's one takeaway from this discussion I felt the same where I was like there's a picture of me where I'm like pulling a sort of stupid face and it's funny that's just like the most scared I'll ever look that's why I looked like the most scared I've ever been it was just terrifying but then once it started it was pretty it was quite quickly clear once the episode started that it was like oh this is actually going okay did it help that tina faye which is like a kind of mother figure of like easing you into the whole idea of this life she was so amazing and also like such a steady hand like really chill yeah and she's getting drinks in okay yeah do you get nervous before each show anyway now or do you need that in a way that adrenaline for the show or would you rather it was more calm and you know you or is it calm i think as it went on it got less scary from a more like macro point of view of like are people going to like dm me on instagram tell me to kill myself and more more i stopped he stopped thank god and i had to pay him to stop to your face exactly but um but like no like the fear of how it went down that subsided and like it was so amazing that people like were into it and we're like so grateful and hopefully we can continue to make it something people enjoy but i think the stress then became a lot more like micro about like okay i'm in the cold open and then i've got to like i've got like four minutes to like put a bananas in pajamas outfit on and do i mean like that then became a thing of like oh my god am i gonna am i gonna make the i don't know if you have that with like i guess the equivalent would be like jokes yeah it's gonna work i think it's always yeah it's always sort of scary but i think it sort of maybe has to be and so much as it's always it's always going to be very last minute there's always going to be at least one thing you do that you're like I'm really not sure if that will work you know there might be a lot that you think will go a certain way it's funny though because when you watch everyone else's sketches you always think well that'll go well so you're watching other sketches go well then it gets to your bit and you think this will be the moment this will be the moment when I destroy everything but so far we haven't no do you read reviews did you read the reaction to the show or did you I try not to okay yeah why because it won't be good I don't think it'll be good for me either way okay yeah so I really try not to well I think we actually had a chat about like I think it's bad either way to let the perception of something like inform it in that way where you're making it still right I'd say there's other people in the cast that don't mind looking don't mind telling us about that they'll tell you yeah they'll tell you well let me break it to you it's getting got very very good reviews seriously you may not know and it's getting picked up again it's getting picked up again apparently really thank god but that must be my ferret I need to feed my ferret sorry it's all about the ferret but that must be a massive relief right because this is a huge let's not forget to do this show at all was a huge gamble wasn't it on Sky's part so it must feel incredible that's it's not only done well but I think it's become a real thing that people are talking about no it's amazing and also you know we know I can't we're going to get 20 episodes within one year and I don't think there's anything comparable comedy wise that's new that just never happens so I even think we thought best case scenarios we'd do six then maybe we'd do another six in a year the fact it went from six to eight and meant to have another load was just like yeah to know that we've got that many more bites at the apple it's amazing yeah also scary it's scary it's a dream come true and the dream is sometimes you spend your entire time as a freelancer being like god if only I just knew what I was doing in a few months time and then once you get locked out you're like I'm a prisoner are you happy to be a prisoner for the next like few years listen i like a gilded cage i've only ever been in normal cages yeah you've only ever been in cages i don't mind the gilding is very good have there been um sketches that you wanted to do that didn't get past the you know the the people in power of Skype so to speak the big cheeses the king you know that kind of went too far for them or has it been kind of have they not interfered too much I think that actually kind of nothing's off the table really like I think there are obviously things we really loved that didn't make it but like obviously who knows like maybe we can re-pitch them and they'll make the show so I'll keep strem about what they were but I don't think we ever felt like that we were like I don't know like censored or silenced at any point I mean no Someone behind us like that.

1:11:25Yeah. Is that okay? Fire in a crossbow with us. What do I think? No, I think I never really felt like anything was too far. It's weird because you can get really fixated on your own thing. And then you often remember at the read-through that like, because there's 11 of us in the cast and 18 writers, there's literally 30 people thinking my thing has to get in. Yeah. You know, when someone else is, again, when someone else is getting, you're like, yeah, but yours is just, you know, when your thing doesn't get in go in yeah yeah and then there's a funny thing where I think like Chloe Feynman who just left SNL did like a thing about did a post about did a post yeah I'm online I'm sorry but like about being on the show where she was like it is running around and then like bawling crying about the fact that your sketch about like a gay magician like makes poops appear on people's chests is like Chloe Feynman yeah Chloe Feynman for example had that idea and it was too disgusting for Sky One.

1:12:25But, you know, you'll have an idea for something and then be, like, crying about, like, I just really need my, like, Gage Himney Sweep sketch to get away. Oh, yeah, that was good. It was good. Oh, well, I ruined it now. Cut that, cut that. Yeah. No, that's a good idea from sketch. It is. Thank you. Thank you. So is it kind of competitive, then, in a kind of adult way? Of course it is. Or even not an adult way. The whole thing is composition. Yeah. But it's kind of like a comedy is, you know, by its very nature, it's, you know, if you're a painter, you spend, you can spend your entire life without ever meeting another painter.

1:12:59But every time you do a gig as a comedian, you're following someone else who's just done it and someone else is about to go on. Or when you do Edinburgh, you might have the show of your life, but then you hear about someone else had the show in their life in a whole new way. So the whole thing is competition. Guy after Vincent Van Gogh. Sky looks like shit. I can't follow him. What am I doing? Cut off both ends. So yeah, it's competitive. so I think but I think that's why the show's so good because no one is thinking the day of the show oh my god the show's gonna be bad no one's thinking that everyone's thinking is my bit gonna be bad is my bit gonna be cut and that's why it is so good overall it's competitive but it's like you're also in your lane like you're just on your thing and no one ever has arguments that's the other weird thing especially you Jack never will argue with anyone or throw his weight around yeah what's crazy is Paddy will never try and undermine me in a professional capacity what's cool is that paddy will never ever say something really barbed actually let's say it a little bit offensive he'll never do that in five years time i expect you to read a book you know exposing the inner turmoil but i think it's like that you're right that it's competitive but it's sort of like it's sort of like swimming where it's like you just do you're in your line and then you're like looking around and you're obviously like everyone's trying to get there first but there's no sense of like you know no one's like going into the cube you know what the everything like swimming.

1:14:16Some people do breaststroke, some people do backstroke. It's like we've all got our own style. We've all got our own style. The swimming analogy is perfect. We'll leave it there, I think. We can't go beyond that. Thank you so much. It's like swimming. Thanks for having us. Those were this week's surprise guests. You're such a friend. You're such a shit. I'm now for this week's news. And I think we really should let Steph talk about this because there has been a new trailer for the Harry Potter TV show starring Steph, the girl who lived. Did you watch the trailer? for the new Harry Potter series?

1:14:46No, I've been in hospital. You are Harry Potter. Fair enough. It's a bit too triggering for Scarlett. With your lightning scar. I told you everyone's calling me Harry Potter, didn't I? Harry Potter! Boy, did you watch the trailer? I did watch it and I thought it was very good. I still got the same view which I had when the first teaser trailer when I had that big HBO Max party. Which we watched under the stairs at that. We went to a big HBO Max party. Sorry, sorry. Let's just do a little reverse there. We watched it under the stairs. What happened? What are you talking about? We don't talk about that, Seth.

1:15:21Okay, fine. Carry on. There was a big party. There were special rooms. There was a special screening room under some stairs. They were showing the Harry Potter teaser trailer on the loop. And it looked great. It did look good. It still looks great. Does it? Oh, you differ. Carry on. I mean, but I can't get that excited about it. But yeah, because I find the first few Harry Potter films quite dull. And the books are not huge. I think it gets better as it goes along, as he gets older. But they're very young. They're very, very young to start with. And so the thing that you are reminded of when you watch Australia is, my God, they're really, really young.

1:15:54And they look all like they can act, from what we've seen in the glimpses. They look like they can act. The bar is not set high for you, boy. I'm not saying it's necessarily true of the films, by the way, the early films. Let's just say there are major acting challenges. Scathing. I'm not sure the director Chris Columbus fully triumphed. Wow. And so, I mean, it looks great. It literally looks great. I mean, you know, the... Visual effects. Visual effects, the cinematic quality of it, etc. But it still feels like an exercise that really needs to get Harry Potter, non-Harry Potter obsessives on board.

1:16:29But I think there are enough Harry Potter obsessives globally for it not to be an issue. The whole project just makes sense. And I think the fact that it dramatizes across the whole series, you know, the first book, is that right? Is that the way it's going to go right? Yeah. It means that it's obviously going to go much more in-depth into the story of the characters. Into the book, which is, what, 170 pages? Anyway, carry on. Anyway, it looked good, but no great surprises. I didn't, you know, it kind of left me... The thing that I was left watching it... Oh, here we go. There's no nice way of putting this.

1:16:59It's got a bit of a Timu Harry Potter feel about it. And I don't mean that it doesn't look expensive. What I mean is... That is literally what Timu would mean. Okay, that's literally what I'm saying. But I don't mean that the show looks like cheap or anything. But it does, because the reason is, you look at the fucking cast of those Harry Potter films, and it is heavyweight after heavyweight after heavyweight. You cannot beat that cast. That cast is like once in a lifetime. I'm talking the adult cast, right? And then you've got great people in this, like you genuinely do. So, puppet S.E.A. do is fantastic.

1:17:32I really like Nick Frost and stuff. But they're inheriting roles which were made iconic by like titans of actors. So it's a really hard act to follow. And meanwhile, and I know you're absolutely right, so Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, Emma Watson were nobodies when they started it. But now, obviously, all three of them are massively famous. And so you look at these three kids, and it's hard, it feels like a downgrade. And I'm struggling to get past that. I think like, for example, like Papet Siedi's casting, I think is really, really good. and the scenes he has in the trailer, you don't see a lot of him, but he feels like he gives Snape a completely different energy to Alan Rickman.

1:18:07I think that's a really good choice and I'm really interested to see that. But you look at the McGonagall, you look, and, you know, Nick Frost, he's great, but Robbie Coltrane is fucking Robbie Coltrane. Do you know what I mean? It's like, so you're watching this and everything feels like, it all seems fine, but it just doesn't feel on the level that the films are. And the other thing that I think they have a problem with here is the iconography of Harry Potter. is so, like, the sorting hat, the main hall at Hogwarts, all of it is indelible. And not just because I've literally just been there because it's in a fucking theme park at Universal, but the livery of it all, all the production design, it is so bored into your brain because it is so salient and because these films are always on repeat.

1:18:49So then they're approaching the series and it's like, well, what do they do? Do they do the same shit? Like, with the sorting hat, its mouth is in a different place. Was that what they thought? Well, okay, we're going to make it a bit different. Let's make the mouth slightly lower. Like, what are they doing there? Because you can't copy it exactly. because then it would be weird. But then if you deviate from it, are you not just making it worse? But would it be weird to copy it exactly? Because isn't that what people want? They just want more Harry Potter. They just, that's what they want. And genuinely, I think that's what I would think I would probably do.

1:19:15I would almost keep the aesthetics the same. Just make little stories. I'd almost keep the John Williams soundtrack because it is so, it is so, for me, indivisible from those stories. Oh, you've really hit it. Are you coming for Johnny Williams? No, I'm not. No, no, no. I'm just thinking, I think, I don't, it's not even an issue. if they did use the music then fine like in Cape Fear the TV shows they use the music they do and that would be fine good move yeah I think it's quite simple I think you're over complicating this me surely not exactly doesn't sound like him no I know it's weird isn't it but just this one occasion is over complicating I think what they've simply done is and I think it's fine is they've gone back to the original books and they're adapting them and they're not adapting the films and they're not and I don't think even looking so the reason why things look different or look the same is because the production designer is going from the books and the team that's making this show, including the showrunner and the director, have their own vision of how to turn that book into a TV series, which is, I guarantee you, going to be better than the film, the first couple of films.

1:20:18Because as I reiterate, they're not very good. I think you've made that perfectly quick. Despite the John Williams soundtrack, which is probably the best thing about them, to be honest. And the cast issue... Sorry. just to address his cast point you two are very you're very up here today no no no but I'm not angry I'm just disappointed I just didn't have that feeling at all about the cast because you're right of course the cast was full of the original cast was full of iconic great British actors it almost became a joke didn't it if you weren't in Harry Potter then you weren't but actually when you think about it it's got John Lithgow Papa S.E.A.D.

1:20:54Nick Frost Janet McTeer Johnny Flynn who's always good Warwick Davis Belle Powley Catherine Parkinson and Bertie Carvel. These are, Daniel Rigby, these are really good actors. But no one's saying they're not. I'm not saying they're not good actors. You kind of are. But I'm saying that there's good and then there's legend. But I totally did not get the, I did not have the experience of watching this show and thinking, oh, the cast isn't up to standard. I just didn't have that at all. And I think it actually did look expensive and lavish enough with this cast. I think it completely makes sense to have this cast.

1:21:23And I think it's going to be fine. This is a different Potterverse, isn't it? That's what we have to remember. it isn't the same one as much as you might like it to be it isn't and even though you've called those actors Timu we'll just let that go to be fair I'm not calling any of those great actors Timu people I'm just saying it's not as if they don't know right it's a really hard shoes to step into they just are but I think for me the casting makes total sense I don't know about I mean for me I'll take Papa any day anywhere at any time he's literally my pick for Bond 100 % I think the man is brilliant so I don't I just don't yeah I don't my issue with it is I'm not sure if I want to sit through eight hours or however long it's going to be of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone I just don't have a particularly essential level of excitement about that whole prospect because I'm not on Potterhead necessarily I like the good films when they you're also not the target audience no no no of course not but that's an interesting point isn't it because these are aimed at kids and as adults we enjoyed the books and stuff as well but who are they aiming this at what age range it's a bit of family It's kids, families.

1:22:29Family viewing. I think there's a difference between... There's a reason it's arriving at Christmas. Yes, but I think there's a difference between a family sitting down and watching a Harry Potter film, which is two hours long, and be like, oh, we watched that as a family, and then sitting down to watch a 10-hour TV show. Okay. That's a different proposition. Right, let me take you back, because when I was younger, at Christmas, do you know they did all the C.S. Lewis adaptions, Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe? That, for me, I always remember that as one of the most magical times of my life.

1:22:54They did it, it started just before Christmas, and everybody was watching that. maybe that's just going to be this for people. Perhaps. I think that's a brilliant comparison. I guarantee you, families will sit down and watch this thing when it goes out at Christmas and it will be massive and now people will love it. Honestly, I think, I think, as I say, I think you've just overcomplicated it. Have I? In your own mind, yeah. I just don't think, I don't think it's going to matter in the end that, you know, it hasn't got Maggie Smith and whatever. It matters to him. Yeah, but I want this. We're not invalidating your feelings.

1:23:24He is him. All right. He's on his own. It's not what he wanted. I don't think he's... I mean, Maggie Smith is otherwise occupied, so, you know, she wasn't available for this. It's fine. And nor is... Richard Harris is not around yet. Nor is Alan Rickman. Nor is Robbie Coltrane, like, you know. Who played Hagrid? Robbie Coltrane. Robbie Coltrane. Sorry, that's what you just said. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, but I just think this cast is a really good cast. I think, you know, you've got your Harry Potter and this was a Harry Potter for a different generation and I think that's fine. This has turned into an epic.

1:23:55This is a news story. So essentially what we're saying is there was an intro of Harry Potter. Looks pretty good. Yeah, anyway. Is there any other news? Yes, there is other news. Boyd is bringing all the news today, aren't you, Boyd? Well, because I did go to the Edinburgh TV Festival. By the way, I meant to say, I hosted three sessions in one day. Yes, we've heard. I think you mentioned that. I may have mentioned it, but I had, I count them, six separate people during the course of my two-day stay in Edinburgh. And they said they just loved the podcast. Very effusive. in their comments about us all.

1:24:29Very nice. Are you sure about me? Are you sure? I've completely forgotten all their names. Excellent. But I did the one, I wrote down one guy's name because he was so nice. It's Bav. Bav, who works at ITV. He was brilliant. He stopped me in the... Does Bav hate me? No, no, no. A little bit. Only good thing, all of these people... Everyone loves you. What are you talking about? I would suggest there are certainly some people who work at ITV who don't, but carry on. No, no, no. They understand your bias against ITV. they're fine with it they've learned to deal with it and it's all good hey I liked Trigger Point it's great exactly exactly but yeah literally five or six people came to me to say that and it was incredible that's really nice so thanks to all of them but I hosted the Netflix spotlight session and they made loads of announcements so just a couple of big projects The Unheard which tells the story of two sisters who go on the run after an act of vengeance goes wrong stars Kate Winslet and Maxine Peake right and it's written by Jack Thorne Oh, that is going to be an absolute banger.

1:25:29Bring it on. There for it. Yeah. How to Kill Your Family, which is the novel, Bella Mackey novel. Do you know about this? Oh, yeah. How to Kill Your Family. It was a big hit book. Yes, it was. Massive hit book. Yes. That's being turned into a series starring Clive Owen and Anya Taylor-Joy. Oh, that Anya Taylor-Total Joy. Friend of the pod. Friend of the pod. There are two Top Boy spin-offs. Shut up. I won't shut up. Oh, my God. Johnny Boy, which is a five-episode, I assume it's focusing on Barry Keoghan's character. Oh, my God. Good reaction. Yeah, because I love Top Boy. which takes the Jasmine Johnson character, and it's all about her.

1:26:06And these are both kind of exec produced by Rona Bennett, who created that show. That show is on my sofa list. I've not watched it. It's really good, isn't it? What the fuck? Sorry. We reviewed the season. We reviewed one season of that, but it was a season that starts in Jamaica, so it kind of doesn't feel like part of the proper film. You haven't watched Top Boy. I know, I know. I know. I can't remember if I'm still angry with you about this. Have you watched Mare of East Town? Yes, of course. Okay, fine. So someone hasn't watched it and it was making me angry. That was a disgrace. But you haven't watched Top Boy?

1:26:33No. That is such fucking great television. I know, I know. It's on the list. Yeah. It's on the list. After Mare of Kings Town. And the final one I want to mention is Jig is the new comedy series from Derry Girls creator Lisa McGee. And it's a mockumentary set in the high stakes world of competitive Irish dancing. Oh God, yes. oh yes please wise not to love you lost me at mockumentary but then you pulled me back with competitive Irish dancing I've got you back oh that's going to be great god that's great Netflix that's all Netflix news that's all Netflix yeah there were loads of Sky announcements on the Sky but they were made before the actual sessions I did with them there were loads of good Sky things probably the most pertinent of which is the second series of Under Saltmarsh ooh oh that's sorry I remembered that's why I was I still haven't seen the rest of that I know it's on the list I will watch it so that's confirmed and that'll be the further adventures of Rafe Spool's character oh you know because if you know you know what happens at the end have you just ruined Under Salt Mars no no I haven't no no no not at all not at all no because he's just he's a character it's fine you've finished it haven't you yes okay good anyway Rafe Spool's character who Rafe Spool's fucking brilliant in it oh he's brilliant and such a such a really interesting character fascinating character he is a fascinating character so I'm really glad they're going to continue his story just while we're I'm going to pivot from Under Saltmarsh to Dutton Ranch.

1:27:55It's always pivoting to Dutton Ranch. Yes, I'm going to pivot to Dutton Ranch. Are you talking about Taylor Sheridan? Yes. So, obviously, there's been a whole, like, hoo-ha going on behind the scenes there. Taylor Sheridan has now taken the reins of Dutton Ranch because he's not happy with what's happening with it. But then, equally, there were rumours that he and Rip had come to blows on the set, or nearly come to blows, to be fair, I don't think they actually hit each other, because you hit Rip, you die. But, yeah, apparently, they got very fraught between Cole Hauser and Taylor Sheridan. Well, I had read there was a bit of a thing between them and it was something to do with coffee copyright or something.

1:28:27Really? Coffee? Yeah, back when they were doing Yellowstone. So I think there's a little bit of beef there between them. But yeah, I can't, I'm really, I wonder if Ed Harris had anything to do with Taylor Sheridan coming back because obviously we spoke before about Ed Harris. Do you remember he gave that interview where he said he wasn't happy with his character and he told his agent to get him the fuck out of there and he wasn't happy. But yeah, I'm really interested because you, you know, unlike me, haven't watched Dutton Rants, have you? Yes, that's correct, Steph. Another one of those things that you promised to watch but haven't.

1:28:55I get the sense that Taylor Sheridan is not necessarily the easiest man to work with. I think that's fair to say. I have heard similar. I think the thing with Taylor Sheridan is he's one of these people who is incredibly blunt and outspoken and doesn't sugarcoat anything and thinks that is a virtue. And I think he rubs people up the wrong way a little bit. Did you see that thing I sent you about the 666 run? Yeah, four sixes, the four sixes, yeah, which he said he's definitely not doing. He said he's definitely, because everybody believed that that was, that Jimmy's story is going to be continued.

1:29:26And apparently it's not happening. There's no way. He said he would never do that because it would be kind of a disservice to that ranch because they're proper cowboys and stuff like that. So yeah, that's interesting. But yeah, I wonder what he's going to do. I mean, you won't know because you don't know what happened at the end of Dutton Ranch, but I'm excited. I'm excited to see how it changes. You really have, like the whole Sheridan-iverse, you've just devoured it all at this point. But you know, Steph, if you've watched the three seasons of Lioness like I have done, then you'd have a real understanding for the real, the true Taylor Sheridan.

1:29:53You two. You two and your Taylor Sheridan. I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But yeah, that is interesting. I really would like to know the story behind why he's coming back. Well, let me know when you've watched Lioness. You know, like a real fan. And when you finish Mayor of Kingstown, then we can talk. Anything else? Anything else, Boydie. No. We're going to skip that. Do you know what? It's genuinely fun. I was like, oh God, it's going to be a really short episode. We're only doing two shows. We've got no guests. I'm worried that we're going to be interrupted like we were when we tried to do our, the Pit.

1:30:20Yeah, we did the Pit Spoiler Special where we were actively thrown out by a DJ who needed to be live on air. Oh, how did your Pit Spoiler Special go? It was unfortunately a little bit truncated. So we're going to do a kind of, in fact, if you are listening to this and you have questions you'd like us to talk about for the Pit Season 1 or 2, send them in to postbag at pilottvpod.com and on next week's Pilot Plus, we're going to have a little Q &A, like a Pit Q &A. And I can talk again about my Pit Immersive experience, which is available to you should you hit your head on a marble sink. Yes, Steph hasn't watched the pit, but she has experienced it.

1:30:50Fine, let's move on then to this week's reviews and we begin, where else would we begin other than with the return of Colin from Accounts which lands on BBC2 after airing on Binge in Australia. And this is the last outing for Ashley, Gordon and Colin in a show that, lest we forget, last witnessed the most excruciating proposal in history, but here picks up after a three-year time jump. So, Steph, this is a show about a dog, so it'd be rude not to really sort of throw you a bone for this one. So, to talk kind of from accounts, we have Steph from Pilot TV. So, right, there's eight episodes in this season, this final season, okay?

1:31:34And they only gave us... Six. Six. Yes. And I've watched all six, of course, of course I have. because I love Colin from Accounts and you know when I love something I just have to keep watching it. And I just want to say, I know lots of people talk to me about how they weren't happy with season two. I was not one of those people. I was really happy with season two. I thought it was perfect. I love the continuation of their story in season two. But if you were mostly not happy with season two but you loved season one, then you are going to be really, really happy with this season because this, I would say, brings back the absolute magic and jeopardy of, and this is not a spoiler because it happens in the first five minutes, they are not together anymore.

1:32:22So Gordon and Ashley are not together anymore at the beginning. And so now you're back into the, oh my God, they're not together. They have new partners. What the hell is going to happen? And because I've watched six of them, so I know most of what happens, but because they're not very kind and they didn't give us the last two episodes, which I imagine are incredibly brilliant. I don't know what happens at the end. But what I think, again, I think made that first season so incredible was like, are they going to get together? Can they make this work? They're so different. Are they actually destined to be together?

1:32:55And that's what this is about. How are they going to navigate their new partners? Are they going to stay with their new partners? Is something going to happen? Is there something magical between them? What the fuck is going to happen with Colin? Do you know what I mean? Because you find out that Gordon has been looking after Colin while Ash has been away doing her doctoring elsewhere. She had a placement that she had to do, and now she's a GP. Gordon is still at Echo Park. She's got new owners. Which has got new owners, which is hilarious. But you're back with the old gang Chiara, and it's just like someone's had a baby again.

1:33:30I don't want to give too much away, because you want to know what happens. You want to discover it for yourself. but I mean Linnell is Linnell in this series is so good so she's Ash's mum played by Helen Thompson oh my god she's magic the comedy is completely on point I think all the one-liners in this are back it's kind of for anyone who wasn't I was like I said again I will reiterate I was very happy with season two but this is really really reignites and ramps up the magic of season one and it's absolutely brilliant it's absolutely brilliant I don't know what's going to happen at the end. I've got an idea, but I...

1:34:06Oh, I'll tell you exactly what's going to happen at the end. What do you mean? There's only one way this story can go. Well, I watched an interview with them. They both get killed in a freak yachting accident. They both faint in central. Well, I watched... Oh, Jesus. I watched an interview with them where they were talking about this, and obviously they write it together and they are married in real life. And Patrick was saying that Harriet actually wanted him to die at the end of this season. She may have wanted that, but it's not going to happen. Well, go on. But what I would say is, I'm pretty sure I know where it's heading and what's going to happen in the end, but the brilliance of it is, the rom-com formula, this is a rom-com, right?

1:34:46Extended over three series and eight episodes per series, and that's a lot to eke out. Because what you're basically doing is you're setting up two people who meet Q in the very first scene of the first episode when she flashes her breasts and he hits the dog and they adopt the dog, etc. What they then have to do is throw obstacles in their way for the subsequent episodes, two series, to get to the point where they're going to walk off into the sunset together in whatever way they deem feasible. But I think the problem with the second series, and I think it's of such a level, the whole show is at such a level of excellence that even the second series that I don't think was as good as the first, I think the issue for me was they didn't find enough Jeopardy.

1:35:32Jeopardy. They didn't find enough obstacles to throw in their way. Convincingly. Because they were just trying to navigate through a relationship. Yeah, exactly. It was navigation. And that was... But it was still great. Compared to pretty much every other comedy on TV, it was great. Absolutely agree. The genius of this series, and you get it within seconds again of this starting is, are the two new relationships. Yeah. And they're immediately hilarious because you've got her doofus this fitness freak who wants to open his own salmon farm and is obsessed trout trout farm well there's a bit of mention of salmon as well I mean he's just just fish in general he smells of fish is the key and the line about that when he goes is I died oh the one line is in this absolutely on point so funny but that character and that performance is fucking hilarious and he's a gigantic bell-end, right?

1:36:31And then you have his partner who is this very impressive highly organised very beautiful woman who is completely inappropriate for him and she's kind of already running things and organises his birthday party the birthday party in episode 2 is just one of the great comedy sequences set-piece sequences of our time because it's just relentless. Everyone arrives, all the characters we've met before, the mum, the brother, his brother, oh my god. Extreme levels of twattishness. It feels like there's absolutely no fat on this script at all. But the genius factor of these two relationships, and the genius upon genius of it is, not just providing these two utterly inappropriate people for our two heroes to fall for, but they make you somehow believe that they would fall for them, even though they're both utterly twattish, right, in their different separate ways.

1:37:34The woman, I put so many great conversations about the woman who plays his new partner, who's been going out with for about 18 months, I think. She laughs at the end of her own, every sentence that she says. You know, and that's such a, you meet so many people. Once you notice it, it's really annoying. She usually goes, yeah, yeah, it's his birthday. Just a little cat giggle at the end of every single thing she says that isn't remotely funny because she has no sense of humour. And neither of these new characters have a sense of humour, which only underlines the brilliance of the original two characters.

1:38:07Of course, their whole relationship is founded on their sense of humour with each other. Their kind of, you know, their wry banter. And of course, the dog, Colin the dog, who's brilliantly... Brilliantly deployed. Played here by Zack. Played here by Zack, the glorious border terrier. Zack the border terrier. The greatest breed of dog obviously known to Matt other than Huskies and Schnauzzi so I just think you know where it's going as in all rom-coms it's got to end up where you want it to end up it just has to but already I've only watched the first two episodes oh I see sorry I'm professional have you watched six?

1:38:42of course amazing I'm very time your time poor I'm very time poor yeah I mean look Steph they're a full half hour in shut the fuck it's pretty brutal I watched them all in one sitting did you? not quite no I won't even do I win anyway Anyway, I think this series is as good as the first series. And it's absolutely brilliant. Do you see what I mean about it? Yeah, the quality of the writing, the jokes, as you say, every scene is brilliant. The scene where we meet the new owner, when they do a Zoom with the new owner, it's so funny. It's so well... I just wanted to say they tried to do it still. They tried to freeze, do a freeze.

1:39:19It's so funny. It feels like the jokes are so original as well. They don't feel tired in any way. I sat there thinking, my brain has been so brainwashed. My brain has been brainwashed. I've been so brainwashed by James' inability to deal with comedy. I sat there thinking, do you know what? This is so good that even James is fully on board with this. Accurate. And even James, because they tread the line between silly, it's not silly, it's totally believable, and yet when you sit down and think about it, it's also full of incredibly laugh-out-loud moments. And it has cringe in it. It has cringe.

1:39:51Ben, you're right, and it does have silliness in it, But somehow, all of it is pulled off with such incredible verve. And the two of them, Patrick Brown and Harriet Dyer, no relation, have this incredible ability to mine awkward situations. Like, Harriet Dyer does this, this is so awkward face. I've never seen anything like it. It is incredible. Her face acting that she does during that. But he does it as well, just like this kind of slightly mumbling. It's just incredible. And don't you think, the two of them, they go toe-to-toe as comedic actors and they're both, they're just incredible. Yeah, absolutely.

1:40:29There's so many clever moments. Like when they get locked in the fridge, it goes to darkness. And just goes completely, the screen just, you just can't see what's going on. I thought that was so clever. The very opening scene where you cut to the man sitting there when she's doing the consultancy with him. It's just so full of great, great jokes. The supporting cast as well. Kiara the Brett like all of Lynette like Lee just all of the supporting cast there's no there's no like I said there is no fact I am the man of the house say you're the man of the house say you're the man of the house was it Wawam the charity Wawam and it's it's so it is so outrageously funny but in such a clever way it's just we have to say it is genius it's absolutely genius it's an obvious word but it's absolutely genius it is I mean I was talking to people on my trip.

1:41:20Do you ever tell me I went to Universal when to see that? But I was talking to people but I was saying genuinely none of them had heard of it apart from the one Australian had heard of it but most of them hadn't heard of it. I was like this is one of the best shows on television. It really is. Absolute genius. Let me ask you as a hatred of comedy for you what sets this apart and makes this because as Boyd said it does have cringe in it. It has incredibly uncomfortable the whole thing is like you know based on a totally cringy situation and this with the addition of these two new relationships is there's some real ultra cringe what sets this apart why is this different why do you find that you're able to endure this I'm interested I think there's a couple of aspects to it I think partly it is exceptionally well written and I think it is exceptionally well performed I think it stays just the right side of silly for me and I think because it doesn't rely like it does have cringe in it but it doesn't twist the knife to make it unbearable which some although that one episode in season one where he's trying to be down with the kids is pretty excruciating episode seven i think it was yeah that whole thing with the with the gen z that that kind of killed me but honestly it's because my sense of humor is quite dry and sarcastic and there is a very dry sense of humor that runs through this i think both both of them have quite deadpan delivery and that is 100 my sense of humor so i think weirdly it just tunes into the exact wavelength of what i find funny while also covering all these other bases because this show and a lot of comedies have a very specific sense of humour and they hit that note repeatedly and there's nothing wrong with that that's fine this show has quite a broad spectrum of comedic tones so I think weirdly there's a little something in here for everyone if you like cringe it's there if you like silly comedy it's there if you like dry humour it's there there's a lot in here and all of it's funny even slapstick even slapstick the boyfriend who is allergic to dogs that is slapstick that's real slapstick but it's fucking hilarious but it's funny it's really hilarious but you've got that he's been right So if this was a pure, like, silly slapstick thing, that's the joke, right?

1:43:20The joke is, he looks silly. That's the joke. In this show, that is a joke, but the joke is Patrick Bramwell's completely incredulous, dreadful, deadpan reaction to it. And that's the bit that I find funny. That scene, like many, many scenes, works on so many levels. His arrival, Patrick Bramwell's face, when you haven't seen him yet, and he thinks it's a maniac, a random maniac is approaching. and then when you see him and then when he goes away to have his freak out and every level of it it works the people having the gender reveal party at the park I don't know if that's an episode you've seen but like that whole thing is so brilliantly handled it's just it's very entertaining what's the furry stuff he keeps going on about the the dander the dander the what?

1:44:09the dander's got me the dander the dander it's chock-a-block so many brilliant moments I think if this is I think it's weirdly and I totally admire the BBC better than season one no no no it's better than two I'm talking about why it hasn't become a kind of pop culture phenomenon I think it's a cult classic fans of comedy love it but I don't think it's broken out yet into the mainstream and like you were talking about people hadn't heard of it which doesn't surprise me I think weirdly even though I really admire the BBC the BBC acquired this and they're showing it very soon after it goes out in Australia and they're showing it two episodes a week and I love the fact that it's on BBC2 and anyone can watch it and the iPlayer.

1:44:49But I think if this had been on Netflix, I bet the youth would have got behind it. I think it would have felt more of a cultural phenomenon weirdly and annoyingly because I totally... I think they don't shout about it. I feel like it doesn't... There's no awareness of the show because I feel like it doesn't get marketed. Where's the marketing? And also, and I hate to say it and I love it, but part of the problem is it's called Colin from Accounts. And I think that's... It's okay. Actually, it's not a generic title, but it's a misleading title. so if you see it as a listing there is nothing about that title that is appealing when you know the show it's a genius title the title is a joke it is but it's kind of backfired because it sounds like a boring show and people are going to resist aren't they like my mum if I say oh by the way you've got to see Colin from Account she's going to be like why would I want to watch that a show about an account I don't care and you have to explain that's not great that's a shame it's a shame isn't it but it sums up the show because every element is a comedic thing and so is the title ironically I think the show would do better if it had been called Dog Park yeah oh that's really annoying but people should discover this because it is a fantastic show regardless of the title and everyone should everyone should watch it this is one of those shows you know when you talk to someone and they haven't watched a show and then you're like oh I'm so jealous because you're going to get like you're going to now have three seasons of such an incredible show but yeah oh I mean god Patrick Bramwell and Harriet Dyer just wondrous and Patrick Bramwell will be on this podcast next week, though ironically not to talk about this show.

1:46:14Except we will. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sure it may come up is what I'm saying. It may come up. Yeah. What week though? So his new show for Apple TV Last seen. which is a crime thriller and literally could not be more different as I said, I think when I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago. Both come out in the same week. Is that an accident? We'll ask him. But that's weird, isn't it? That his big new starring role, serious role is out the same week as the final season. The man's a chameleon. What can we say? So there's a lot to talk about. Okay, so Colin from Accounts, which is on BBC Two. When boy did he?

1:46:45Today, Monday and Tuesday for the next four weeks. Monday and Tuesday, BBC Two and iPlayer. Okay, great. A few moments later. We're back. We're in a different studio, but let's not dwell on that. We're time for our second show of this. Who knew that in an episode when we only had two shows to review, we were going to run catastrophically over time-wise? Who knew? Well, I knew because I'd been away for three weeks and, you know, I'm very chatty. That's true. It's stressful. I've taken the opportunity to take my over shirt off. You have. People can see this. So people on the cameras are like, boys, where are your toes?

1:47:14Is that a costume change? But I can assure you, we're still recording in the same day. We haven't re - No, we haven't redressed in the same clothes. We just rebooted. Relocated to another studio. But it's fine. Anyway, we have another show to review. Yes. Go for it. Okay. So also this week we have the return of The Gentleman on Netflix. This is Guy Ritchie's series spun off from his film of the same name. And this is Theo James as Duke Edward Horniman, a former soldier, now a lord, essentially, who not only inherits his title, but also a thriving criminal enterprise run by Ray Winston and Kaya Scott-Lario.

1:47:45Boydie, you are yourself a distinguished gentleman, so please do give us a skinny on this show's return. So, I don't subscribe to the entire concept of guilty pleasure, right? I just want to make that clear. You just like shows that are good or bad? No, if I like a show, no matter how cheesy or over-the-top or stupid it is, or a record, a song, you know, I like ELO, you know, Just culturally, I don't accept the idea that you should feel guilty about liking anything. However... What a refreshing view that you're going to change now. The gentleman, I do feel slightly guilty about the level to which I enjoy this show.

1:48:26Now, I think I said this when we reviewed series one. I really enjoy it. And I like the season two even more, mainly because of Hugh Bonneville and his hair. Hugh Bonneville is back, is a newbie in his second season of Downton Abbey fame. And in this role, he plays a politician, a lord and politician who's very highfalutin and powerful. Is this Downton Abbey with an organised crime gang in? Yeah, basically. But obviously his role is a kind of postmodern, very aware reference to Downton Abbey, right? He's a posh old lord. But this time, this character has a wild haircut, first of all, almost like a 50s throwback haircut that is quite spectacular, that works very effectively, whoever was in charge of hair and makeup, because it gives him a whole different kind of quality to him.

1:49:18And he is going for his most, I would say, camp performance he's ever given in a major TV series or film show. And he plays this kind of slightly predatory, not slightly, quite predatory gay man, or gay or bisexual man, who's completely besotted with Kaisco Delario's brother, who is quite a handsome guy and everything. And that becomes part of the storyline of episodes one and two, kind of one of the main subplots because they're working to see whether it benefits them or not to make cannabis illegal considering the whole mansion where they live, the whole estate is built on a cannabis farm. Right.

1:50:03Series one was all about that. Anyway, so the whole Hugh Bonneville element ratchets up the comedy levels of this series for me and the pleasure element of it. But I think the reason I feel slightly guilty is because essentially it is absolutely idiotic, this show, in so many ways. It's like none of it really makes sense. Decisions are made willy-nilly. It's got this quiet camp over-the-top tone to it that is embodied in Hugh Bonneville's performance, which I very much enjoyed. And there's loads of like, kind of Ray Winston spends the whole show wandering around in his towel, in his sauna. Vinnie Jones is in it.

1:50:38Vinnie Jones is in it, exactly, as the kind of... The groundskeeper. The groundskeeper, who's also an expert on vintage wine. Kaisuko Delorio's character is kind of like constantly just wanting to shag this guy who, you know, fair enough, why not? And there's just loads of vividly drawn... Daniel Ings, who has kind of clearly been filming something else because he's not in the first couple of episodes as much. she pops up in the second episode do you remember Daniel Lings if you watch series did you watch series 1 by the way I'm looking at you you're going to be slightly blank well I'm looking at you blankly because I didn't watch the first series and then I didn't get the screeners in time but then this morning I tried to rush and watch because it's out today so I've watched the first ten minutes before we came into the pod so that's why this is going to be you two talking to me going like oh that sounds fun so Daniel Lings was the incredibly over the top drug addict in series 1 who's coked off his head which is Theo James' brother Theo James' brother he does pop up in episode two, and something as radical as going on in his life.

1:51:37And then you have all these kind of vivid, quite funny characters. I think, you know, in terms of genre, I don't get hung up on it, James does, but it's kind of like comedy gangster, comedy thriller. Comedy crime. It's definitely trying to be funny quite a lot of the time. And then suddenly there'll be an unbelievably violent outburst of gunfire and someone's brains will be splattered all over their kitchen. And so it's kind of, it treads that line between how far can we go in making it darkly comic and a little bit sick and twisted, or quite a lot sick and twisted, in fact, which is what I enjoy about it, really, and also being so over the top and ridiculous and absurd that therein it does become a bit of a guilty pleasure because I have to admit, as I'm enjoying it, that it is also stupid.

1:52:19It felt to me, like, again, I've only watched the first 10 minutes, it's a little bit like Knives Out, Saltburn crossover. That's how it felt, like, to me. You know what I mean? Like, if those two had a baby, that's the show. That's good, yeah. Without the whodunit. And a bit of Guy Ritchie gangster. And then Guy Ritchie, yeah. Yeah. There's a... I've watched the first couple of episodes and there's an assassin, a kind of Japanese assassin character. Do you see him in an episode? Have you seen him? No, I haven't seen the first one. Yeah, yeah. So the whole thing is kind of borderline... borderline kind of racist, sexist, homophobic.

1:52:53Oh, how nice. But I think they bring such kind of confidence and... I'm trying to wonder whether joy is a strong word, but it really makes me... I really enjoy watching this show. I have to admit it. But I think the guiltiness comes from the fact that it kind of definitely tests the line in all of those things. It's not woke, put it that way. No one's going to recuse this show. But I think it just about pulls it off. Some people will be offended, I think, by certain things that happen in the series. But I think you've got to take it as it comes, take it with a large dose of salt. And in the end, you've got to enjoy watching Ray Winston and Kaisa Coelho and Theo James.

1:53:26This is easily Theo James' best role. I mean, he's delicious. He's playing a slightly more posh version of himself. without wanting to be too horrible. But they're all great, and, you know, he's got an amazing starry cast, really. Guy Ritchie, by the way, like, churning out these shows. Mobland is back the following week, season two of that, still with Helen Mirren and Prius Brosnan and Tom Hardy, to say the least. He gets unbelievable people. People seem to love working with him. And I was thinking, I was reading up on this, and because you know, there's the whole controversy which we'll get to when we review Mobland about did Tom Hardy or not walk off or not.

1:54:00Well, apparently people really love actors really love working with Guy Ritchie and he's unbelievably prolific does about two films a year and all of these TV shows and it's not just the money I think he has a very charming way of you know kind of letting the actors do what they want to do and have a good time and he creates a kind of fun atmosphere on set because let's face it this show mirrors his life right he's a country boy who spends half his time hunting, shooting and fishing dressed in tweed it's almost like Theo James' character is just a Guy Ritchie kind of equivalent caricature and so the bottom line is just to go back to my first point it is a pleasure I feel a little bit guilty but not enough it's great I really enjoy it it's one of my favourite things that he's done Guy Ritchie I have to say Can I give you my my review of the first 10 minutes?

1:54:43Absolutely I thought this looked absolutely brilliant I thought I love it when there's bigger than life characters saturated colour everything looked a bit mad yeah it did it seemed yeah it had a bit of a quite like I said like a salt burn knives out feel to it I thought this this this feels like it's going to be a fantastic romp. I didn't watch season one, but I will go back to it. Because it looks... Can you watch season two without having no... I mean, you could, but why would you? Well, you absolutely... Genuinely, why would you? I know. He doesn't want me to. Because you don't... No, but there's no sense to it.

1:55:15I don't understand any person who would think, do you know what? They're both available every episode on Netflix. Fuck it, I'm just going to start with season two. Who does that? That's the mark of a sociopath. You're right. Okay. I agree, but act funnily enough. Sorry, as I said, so I'm definitely going to watch season one because it would be complete madness if I didn't watch season one because why would I? But funnily enough, you could actually not watch season one. But you must not. If you wanted to, it wouldn't make any difference. Thanks, Paul. Unbelievable. What did you think, James? I really liked this show.

1:55:43I really enjoyed season one. I don't... I can't say I would describe it as a guilty pleasure. It's just lots of fun. Like, I don't think it's... I think this falls into your normal guilty pleasure thing. No, it's just a good show. Like, it's like... It's not, like, the most premium show ever but it's also not cheap and it's got good people in it. It's well written and executed. It looks great. It's a really fun, engaging, watchable show. It skips along. You're never bored. And there's so much charisma on screen because all the characters in it are fantastic. Yeah, I have a really good time with it.

1:56:15And also, it scratches that itch, right, that you get from Downton Abbey. You know, that kind of like, and I think Americans have it more than Brits do, but that kind of like posh porn thing where just watching posh people be super rich and super posh is just quite entertaining. It is entertaining. And so watching him smoke his cigars and drink his port and talk about wine while also like, you know, being a criminal, it's just fun. Yeah. It's probably like watching you at your house, isn't it? Yes, Steph, yes. I do, in fact, live in a stately mansion out in the kind of Surrey countryside. Do you know what?

1:56:46I can see you later in life drinking port. Really? Yeah. I'd probably be drinking like Coke Zero out of a port glass. I like a glass of port. Of course you do. Of course you do. Does someone bring it to you while you're wearing your smoking jacket? Sadly not, but I did sit there thinking, I would quite like to live this life. I bet you would. I mean, to be fair, I think we all would. I'd quite like a safety home and a butler. No, because think about the robot vacuum. It wouldn't get ready. It would take days to get around there. You would run out of battery. I'm saying it might not actually be able to do the whole house.

1:57:18Maybe you could have one for every room. Oh my God, yeah, that's true. Okay, there's always a workaround. There's always a workaround. The Gentleman then which returns on the Netflix well it has returned it's lived because Steph's watched it live it's literally out now exactly yeah it started last Thursday okay super what else is out this week that we weren't able to review due to inconvenient embargoes well the week of Patrick Bramall as I'm calling it continues on Wednesday with the release of Last Scene which is the big thriller he's in in which he's the lead but that is embargoed which is why we're not yes and we're going to cover that on Pilot Plus we are and we're interviewing the great man himself we are and he'll be on next week's regular show I'm so excited about that.

1:57:55Yeah, except crucially, he's been brought in by Apple, so we cannot exclusively talk about Colin from accounts. No. No, I'm not going to talk about him, his starring role as Radley in Bluey. Yeah, that's actually what they'd like you to talk about. Yeah, that's fine. That's what I want him for. It's the National TV Awards tomorrow on ITV at 8 o 'clock. Can't wait. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's good stuff nominated. Blue Lights is nominated. Woo-hoo! Yeah, Strange Things, Trigger Point, etc. Heater Rivalry is nominated. if that wins that'll be incredible yeah there is The Paper season 2 yes which is the Donald Gleeson friend of the pod as I'm calling him on Sky 1 and now on Thursday at 9 o 'clock I think it's a double bill of new episodes I enjoyed the paper I thought it was good did you watch it?

1:58:40I think I did set in the office universe no I didn't watch it Taylor Swift I believe enjoyed the paper yes exactly because she loves him because of that's right she's known for it as well I mentioned in earlier Crew Girl this is the new other YA show not to be confused with the Crow Girl no very different tone very much not bonkers like Crow Girl that starts on Netflix Thursday the 10th of December can we can we stop this trend whereby all of these brilliant I'm not saying this is brilliant because I haven't seen it but all of these great YA shows you know like Off Campus Sterling Point they're always embargoed yes so we never get to review them and we always discover them after the fact I think we will be able to review this one considering I don't think it's quite a light week on what we can do Except we weren't because it's out this week, so if we were able to review it, we'd be reviewing it now.

1:59:25No, no, no, I mean... We could review it in the next episode. Sure, but there's other stuff out next week. I know, I know, I know. We're all right. All right, we might. We'll see what happens. And is it a film? Is it a boat? Is it a plane? It's a feature-length final episode of Call My Agent on Netflix on Thursday called Call My Agent. Is it called Call My Agent The Movie? It's called Call My Agent The Movie. Is it called The Movie? Is it called The Movie? Well, that answers that question. But Call My Agent was a TV show. I tell you what, I will give you latitude to discuss it. Thank you. Well, I've discussed it.

1:59:56It's very good. We're getting thrown out of another studio now. Oh, no. It's happening today. I'm going to say we'll be back. Thank you very much for listening to the podcast. Do you live with a lifestyle rating? Subscribe to Pilot Plus. That's Steph. That is Boyd. We've been your hosts this evening. I hope you've enjoyed the show. We'll be back next week when Neely is on Prime. Slow Horses returns to Apple. Oh, God. What else happens? Other things. Mobland. Walking Dead. Dead City is back. Outlander's back. Christ. American Hostage is next week as well. Anyway, lots of things. very exciting Steph how's your head it's actually it hurts it hurts but I'll be okay I'm not surprised after that okay that's it we're done pilot out