Criminal Record, Beef, and Mint. With guests Peter Capaldi and Cush Jumbo

37:54It's not fast-paced? Yeah. You're saying it's slowly paced? It's slowly paced. It's deliberately paced. Deliberately paced. Yeah. Interesting. But I enjoyed it. Okay. What was it called again? Excellent recommendation. It's called The Breakthrough, and I believe it was on Netflix. Excellent. Steph, what have you been? Queen of crime? Queen of crime drama? Queen of… Just three. Oh, boy. Thanks, Beth. So this is from 2019. I watched, and I know this says they don't want it to be dubbed, and you can watch the dubbed version, but you can also watch it in Icelandic with subtitles. And it's The Valhalla Murders.

38:32Have either of you heard of this? Oh, I heard of it. I didn't watch it. Yeah. So The Valhalla Murders, I won't give anything away. So basically, a detective goes back to investigate the first ever serial killer case. and it's it's absolutely it was originally I watched it when it was on Netflix and now I was trying to find this morning and I think I'm pretty sure now it's on BBC you can watch it on BBC 4 that's what it's saying it's saying you can watch it on BBC 4 but that is absolutely brilliant I tell you what so Harlan Coburn so you know he does several of his adaptions in foreign languages have either of you did either of you see Hold Tight it's 2008 yeah with yeah i don't think so do you remember do you remember it boyd yeah it's so good so it's like no i know it's not nordic i sorry i just wanted to mention because you know i'm not big i'm not i'm not that big on subtitled things but i know i know this is this is polish but i just want to mention as another kind of foreign language thing that i really really enjoyed which i think is definitely worth did it have richard armitage in it no it didn't wow okay yeah Yeah, yeah.

39:39Because that was a Polish version, right? Sorry, this is a Polish version, yes. This is a Polish version of... I mean, it's near Scandinavia, but... Geographically, it's, you know, it's, yeah. But yeah, it's not Scandi, but it is absolutely brilliant. Worth a watch. Worth a watch, worth a watch. Not Scandinavian, but anyway. I know it's not Scandinavian. Right, I'm just concerned. I know it's not Scandinavian. He's obviously done his homework. Let's hear what he has to say. Yeah, come on. Okay, so this show was a Swedish series originally, and it's about a female detective who, in the first scene, she comes back to her house where there's a party going on, and she herself arrests her own son for drugs.

40:26Do you remember this? I like her style. No, what's it called? It's called Before We Die in English, in British. in the British language. In Swedish, it was called Inan Vidor. Inan Vidor. It was created by Niklas Rockström. And it was turned into, it was remade by Channel 4 and called Before We Die. And it started Leslie Sharp in that lead role. And sure enough - The great Leslie Sharp. They stuck, I love Leslie Sharp. And they stuck very closely to the original and started with her arresting her own son, played by the great Paddy Gibson, Patrick Gibson, who's in the OA, my favourite show oh I love him yeah I love Paddy Gibson yeah I interviewed him I interviewed him for this very podcast this is how far back we go wow yeah the British version was 2021 and then they did another season second season of it but the original Swedish version is brilliant the British version is fine I love Leslie Sharp I love Paddy Gibson so you know it's all good but the original is absolutely brilliant it's kind of where's it available I do you know what that's a very good question I am not 100 % sure probably on channel4.co.uk maybe channel4 streaming but that is a yeah I'll have a look seek it out and you shall find yeah seek it out before we die and the other thing to say about it was it was a massive recommendation by Ricky Gervais Ricky Gervais yeah him and Jane is it bad that now I'm taking it a bit more seriously yeah no me too now I'm listening to you I mean it's about time but but these things do count don't they but yeah he he and Jane um fallon his partner watch a lot of they love watching this stuff they love watching subtitled foreign language kind of crime dramas and things yeah that makes me want to really really watch them all the time now no but when we had him on the podcast remember we had him on the podcast the live podcast um a couple of years ago and um we talked to ask him a bit about it and he's like yeah that's that's that's the that's the stuff they watch on tv and before we die was the one he's particularly singled out as being a great show, an excellent show.

42:33Oh, I bet they're loving Yo Nesbo's Hole. I bet they're loving that, Detective Hole-y, which we viewed. Yeah, yeah. I need to finish that, by the way. Have you finished that? Oh, yeah, I finished it. It's absolutely brilliant. Oh, God. Yeah, it's absolutely. And as you know, now, James and I had a bit of a discussion about where they put the subtitles on this particular one. Oh, he's obsessed. He's obsessed with it. You're both obsessed with subtitles. Just deal with it. Please do not lower yourself to this level of discussion. But I have to say, it's true. The problem is, is that when you're looking and you're having to, your gaze, averting your gaze constantly to the subtitle below.

43:10If you're having to avert your gaze constantly to the subtitle below, it's not as enjoyable as if they're above. Which is the point that James and I had quite a lengthy discussion on and agreed on, agreed upon. Anyway. James with curly hair, that's what I'm going to call you. Oh God. Oh God. let's just start calling him Jeff okay right okay do you think we've sufficiently answered that or do we need to do a Google of some other like Nordic thrillers that we might not have no I think we've sufficiently answered the question unfortunately I am just looking up before we died the original version to see where it's available it doesn't seem to be available anywhere so that was a good recommendation so boy's going to offer to buy DVDs and DVD players for everyone who wants to watch it Well, no, we could all convene.

43:56When we go around to Steph's house. At Ricky's. Yeah. No, you'll get in the coach to my house, remember, with all the people I want to talk to. Yeah, when we go to Luton. Yeah, on that Luton trip. The screening in the garden. But the British version, the Channel 4 version, is definitely available on Channel 4. Anyway, that was, indeed, the listener question, fully and frankly sorted out. With also some Polish in there as well for you. Yeah, a bit Polish. a bit of British, a bit of unavailability. You know, you can't have everything. We said some words. We said some stuff. Yeah. Anyway, more stuff coming up now, more words, because now we return to the highly esteemed news section of proceedings.

44:38Who would like to start with some TV-based, TV? Television-based news stories. I'm looking at you, Steph. So I'll hear nothing of this being film news, okay, because it originates in TV. I know what you're saying. Yeah, you're right. Already, I'm backing you up on this one. Do you know what I'm going to say? Yeah. For anyone who doesn't know what you're going to say, what is it? Gentlemen, shall I guess? I would love you to guess. The in-betweeners. No, I'm not going to say that. No, I wasn't going to say that. Oh, well, that goes. I did have that on my list. I did have that on my list. And I'm hoping you hadn't spoken about this before.

45:16Jamie Lee Curtis. Oh, no. Hang on. Jamie Lee Curtis, murder, she. Oh, Steph. Okay. Steph, all your dreams have come true. My God. Okay, so I'm a big Jamie Lee Curtis fan anyway, but Jamie Lee Curtis basically now is developing big screen reboot scheduled for December 22nd, 2027, Murder, She Wrote film. I'll hear nothing of it being a film. Oh, so it is a film. Wait, so Jamie's playing Fletcher? It's not apparent what she's saying So she says Basically they've said Oh yeah hang on Yes she is doing it Sorry live on air excitement Sorry I just clicked on the updated news bit That was a live on air squeal Oh I'm so excited though Oh my god what great casting By herself to play Jessica Fletcher Oh it's going to be Fletcher's a legend I'm really really interested to see what they do, what she does with this.

46:23This is going to be absolutely incredible. And so I wonder if they'll be just remaking the old stories or they're going to branch into like... I imagine it's going to be like one really incredible story that she's going to do. So it's going to be directed by Jason Moore. Sorry. Do you like what? Rather than a mediocre one. They're going to choose a really shit one from the two pieces. Sorry, I was reading at the same time. Sorry. So I've gone so squealy. No, all I mean is they're not going to do like, not going to do loads of the different stories. Like obviously like the series. Yeah, I know.

46:58That was my fault actually because I was still thinking of the TV series. That's why I said stories rather than, yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, fair enough because this is a film news story rather than a TV one, but crack on. I think it's going to be one case is what I'd say. Or actually it could be like, it could be like a serial killer in Cabot Cove, which would be a great thing to do. Okay. We know there's a lot of murders in Cabot Cove as it is. Anyway. Anyway, directed by Jason Moore, who's a directed Pitch Perfect. Sorry, Boyd. What's funny? Go on. What's funny is that, you know, she's in that Scarpetta series.

47:32Yes. And you were really scathing about her and said she was just transposing her character from the bear. And I completely disagreed with you. But carry on. Yeah. I thought she was great in it. It was like she was transposing her character from the bear and adding on layers and layers of cheese to that. let's move on let's move on another funny thing was she was an exec producer of Scarpetta famously she was responsible for getting it made she was and then she gave herself this role this demented role so carry on anyway it is quite funny yeah and now she's given herself the role of a lifetime I hope there's no shade about that of course if you're like leading the charge on something I think you should be able to and if you've got the talent to back it up it wasn't like she cast herself as Scarpetta herself no what I would say is if you at any point in your life have the chance to cast yourself as Jessica Fletcher then you do it it's unlikely hold on you'd play the sheriff Boyd would be the sheriff oh my god you'd be so good as sheriff oh anyway right oh and I don't know whether you've covered this but did you cover the Nobody Wants This casting news yes sorry Sarah Silverman joining Nobody Wants This yes I sang her praises apologies I sang her praises Sarah Silverman Boyd's a huge fan and unless Jamie Lee Curtis is going to be in it as well I think we have covered that for the news your campaign against Jamie Lee Curtis no I love her I love her it doesn't feel that way well no I was entertained I was just kind of intrigued by her choice her acting choice for that Scarf Hatter thing particularly but anyway was it too heightened for you your favourite word of the moment it was quite heightened it was one of those that horrible phrase which critics use which I find quite annoying which is it's like she was in another show but in this particular case it was like she was in another show anyway I didn't realise you were such a defender of Scarpetta, Kay.

49:19No, I just like, I like that. I mean, it was a big character and she's like very messy. Is it because she's called Kay? No, because that's Nicole's character, isn't it? No, I mean, yeah, Nicole's character. Oh, I'm defending her as a whole. Yeah. Kay should have her own detective drama series because she shares the same first name, Kay, with Scarpetta. So. Correct. It's only a matter of time. Get in touch, guys. I'm available. No, the story I thought you were talking about, about whether it's a film story or a TV story is the Inbetweeners reboot because that obviously is a legendary TV show on the E4 and then the Channel 4.

49:55It was a huge phenomenon. Two films resulted from it. But now they're saying there were rumours that the creators were going to do more Inbetweeners, do Inbetweeners reunion with the core cast. And we didn't really hear more about that. I think that was rumoured last year. And then now stories are surfacing that they've signed up with Netflix, the creators. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, and the hope is that they're going to bring back the original cast. But they didn't, in the story I saw, it didn't say specifically, oh, yeah, they have signed up the core cast of four. You would need them. You can't do that.

50:28I mean, you'd think, right? Unless they do the junior in-betweeners and they have four new vads, which they could do, right? What, the Spawn of? Yeah, the Spawn of, something like that. Oh, no, I'm not here for that. no because I don't know about I don't know about rebooting the Inbetweeners really because what they're rebooting them what are they just going to be in their like normal lives now oh I don't know about this at all yeah it'll be like a documentary for every middle aged person on the planet no because no no just no from you I just do you know what I mean Kay I just think like how like the Inbetweeners is so of its time as well and the humour is very of its time it would be a challenge for the writers, I think.

51:11Yes, that's a very nice way to put it. It would be a challenge. I think they're right. Ian Morris and Damon Beasley are said writers. I think, I mean, they're talented enough to deal with whatever they end up actually commissioning. But it's interesting that in these news stories, there's one I saw on the Radio Times, et cetera, saying, yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean the original cast will be involved, but they want them to be. So anyway, who knows? Who knows what's going on? But fascinating. They are amazing writers. I have met them both and they are absolutely lovely people as well, I will say that.

51:42They are absolutely delight, yeah. Yeah, but I just don't know. I don't know. No, fair enough. We'll see. What? No, we'll see. Kate? Some news from me, which I'm excited. Well, I'm nostalgic about. So I used to love TFI Friday back in the day, the Chris Evans Channel 4 show. And I read yesterday that actually the show returned apparently a few weeks ago on YouTube as TFI Unplugged on the Virgin Radio UK channel. Apparently that's what it is. But now Channel 4 have signed a deal to broadcast new episodes on Friday nights at 11, which is, I think it's going to be interesting talking of like can something transcend its time and be updated?

52:25Because obviously a lot of the stuff that happened back in the day probably isn't very appropriate now. So it's going to launch on, so by the time this episode of the pod comes out, We've already started on Friday. And the first episode guests are Sam Ryder, Jack Savaretti, Sindhu V, Gemma Arterton, Peter Capaldi, Kush Jumbo and Shreya Goshal. So that's a good lineup. That is a good lineup. Well, I mean, we've got Peter Capaldi and Kush Jumbo, so we don't need to tune into… It's not a competition, but you're right. We have one. Yeah. This is nothing against your lineup. Your lineup is fantastic.

53:01You've done very well. You know what? I love TFI Friday. You know, I loved TFI Friday back in the day. I bet you know what. But do you know what? It's a bit like, did you watch The Big Breakfast? I'm going to say we probably all watched The Big Breakfast. A hundred percent, yes. Right. So Big Breakfast was the show, wasn't it? Everyone watched it, The Big Breakfast. It was brilliant. And then they tried a couple of times to bring that back and it's never worked, haven't they? And they've done it, you know, under the guise of it just being… Yeah. I don't know if they've done many. they did a one-off which was for a specific season of shows on Channel 4 I remember right which was never particularly designed to be brought back I think the problem with bringing it is just too expensive well that's what I thought it was I thought it was brought back under the guise of oh if people really like this then we'll actually bring it back properly I don't think they ever made for a long time I don't think there's been a concerted effort to bring it back put it that way because I think it's just too expensive to have a daily morning live show like that with all the production complications these things incredibly expensive.

54:02Saturday Night Live is unbelievably expensive just as a side issue. So I don't think that was ever going to happen. So what they've done with this TFI quotes reboot, and there was a reboot of TFI, which I went to see. Did you come to see that with you? I've got a picture behind the desk. Yeah, we both went to that, right? Yeah. That was fun. Yeah, that was fun. So they did do a kind of a proper reboot of TFI a few years ago, which was a limited run, I think. I mean, God, I'm trying to remember if there was even more. Was it just a one-off? I think there were a couple of episodes. But anyway, what this is isn't really, if I may say, a reboot of TFI Friday.

54:47This is kind of taking Chris Evans' radio show, isn't it? Yes. And turning, which has been happening, and which most, all radio now is filmed anyway. Like everything's filmed. and everything. Our podcasts are on YouTube now, like the ones, like our ones, which you can get comments from underneath. Never read the comments. But what I'm saying is, is that it's not really the return of TFI Friday. No, they have sort of like tried to recreate the backdrop a bit and this, that and the other. But no, it's not TFI Friday proper, but it's an iteration, like a, it's TFI light. Right, I've got some Penelope Wilton news, which I think we can all agree is, yeah.

55:26Welcome. So she's teaming up, apparently, with Slow Horse's Jonathan Price for ITV's new powerful drama, Mavis Eccleston. Cool. And apparently, Steph, this is based on true life, and it's the story of a woman who became the sole survivor of a joint suicide pact made with her husband of nearly 60 years. And following his death, Mavis was then arrested and charged with his murder. Oh. So I think you'll be interested in that. God, that sounds fantastic. oh that is welcome news and great cast obviously it's brilliant that Penelope Wilton you know at this stage in her career life and career is getting lead roles she was in Afterlife with Richard Gervais and you know he hired her because she was in one of the greatest sitcoms of all time Everdekees and Circles of course so yeah that is brilliant brilliant news I wonder how old she is now just looking at her age but it's just a number it is 79 with that level of talent it is just Just a number Oh, 100 % Yeah, completely Do either of you watch The Rookie?

56:29Yes No It's so good Okay, well Steph Nathan Fillion You'll be delighted to know It's been, yeah It's been renewed for a ninth series It is a cult phenomenon, isn't it? The Rookie It is a cult James was telling me Apparently he had discovered It was a cult Like loads of tweens watch it Like, but it is great I mean, Nathan Fillion is Wonderful in everything Yeah, it's just It's fantastic You should watch it What's so good about it? I suppose Nathan I suppose really for me, it's all about Nathan Fillion. It's just, it's kind of, you know, it's a procedural essentially, but it's fun. What's different about it?

57:02So his sense of humour is different too. Yeah, I think so. I think that's the brilliance of Nathan Fillion with every role he has. He can't, he's inescapably got a level of humour. And got funny bones. And yeah, and just warmth. He just has a general width. I think that's probably the major difference. But yeah, it's, look, it's an easy watch. It's a nice easy watch Untaxing Yes exactly Yeah But yeah if you don't Watch The Rookie You'll be You should watch The Rookie And now you'll have Eight seasons to look forward to And now a ninth So hooray hooray Does anyone see the I know we're all big fans Of this person Coming up next In the next news story If I may Whet Your appetite For it You may I was a bit partridge there Sorry Yeah I love you when you go A bit silly Billy Yeah Philomena Cunk Right She's bad Diane Morgan.

57:54Yeah, Diane Morgan. See? Good reaction. That is so exciting. Yeah, she's back. Her new series is going to be, so I'm particularly excited because, as you know, I do have a list of my 20, 30 favourite films of all time. And she, her next project is Kunk on Cinema. Oh, wow. That's right of your screen. Amazing. Yeah, exactly. So she will be talking us through the history of cinema. Oh my gosh, Boyd, she should interview you Well, you know, it's too late now I say that, I don't know if she's filmed it yet or not I've no idea I'm starting a petition I would love to see you and Philomena in a room Hashing it out Well, this is the official description Concord Cinema will follow Philomena She asks experts about the history of cinema From the invention of the camera To the new wave filmmakers of the 60s Right up to the entrance of CGI And what the future of AI holds Concord will attempt to demystify it all while sitting in lumpy seats with stale popcorn, asking herself, where did cinema come from and why?

58:54What does it want and why can't it tell us? Do you know what? I'm doing an immediate reverse ferret and actually I would love to see Philomena into James. Oh, yeah. About cinema, about subtitles, about compositing. You know, all the stuff that he loves. Compositing, yes. Yeah. All that sound stuff that he's always obsessed about. Soundstage. Volume stuff. The volume. Yeah. Oh, God, that'd be great. Maybe they've been in touch with him already. I mean, who knows? Maybe that's where he is now, this week off. He's filming. Secret filming. Guys, this is what's happening. Spread it. Wow. Yeah, it's exciting, isn't it?

59:31Yeah. Any more news? I've got one more, actually, which is that Legacy of Spies, which is going to be the new adaptation of the John le Carré spy thriller. I'm very excited about that because it is the return of Smiley, it's the return of John Le Carre his stories are always brilliant it's got a star-studded cast led by Matthew McFadden, Charlie Hunnam of queerest folk fame Daniel Brühl with an umlaut and they're joined by this week Dan Stevens is joining in Felix Camera, etc that is going to be brilliant, Legacy of Spies BBC MGM Plus co-production going into production now. Oh, that's great. Something to look forward to probably next year, do you think?

1:00:18At the earliest, I would say, yeah. Yeah, next year. A fair while away. Exciting. Very exciting. Is that it for news? I think that's it for news, babe. We're done. Fair enough. Let's move on to reviews. And where should we start? Should we start with Mint, which is the only – two of the show, two of the three shows we've been reviewing this week. Unusually for us are second seasons of shows. We try and do going fresh with the newest thing. And talking of freshers, Minty Fresh. Very good, Roy. Thank you. The debut series from writer-director Charlotte Regan, who made Scrapper, which was a highly acclaimed indie film.

1:00:59Have either of you seen Scrapper? I have not. Okay, well, there you go. Is it good? It's very good, yeah. This show stars Emma Laird as 22-year-old Shannon, the daughter of crime boss Dylan, played by Sam Riley, who meets cute, a hunky-looking dude, played by musician Ben Coyolana, best known as Loyal Karner, on a bridge somewhere in a station. Looks a bit like Luton, but he's in fact in Scotland somewhere, I think. It all kicks off from there. Steph? Are you on board with a bit of mint? So this is kind of, you know, this is a very modern day Romeo Juliet type story, isn't it? You know, she's a beautiful young girl who is romanticizing her life and searching for love.

1:01:50He is a very handsome, young, clean cut man. And I don't want to give away the, I don't want to make any spoilers here, but she's from a prominent Scottish crime family. And it would be absolutely terrible if she met and fell in love with somebody who wasn't suitable. I think we're allowed to say. Are we allowed to say that? Yeah, I think so. It's in the official plot description. Okay, fine. So then she meets, as you said, there's a meet you on opposing platforms of a train station. and sparks fly. And when I say sparks, I mean literal sparks because they actually, you actually get to see sparks because they intercut the scenes with sparks and like nice bits of like, you know, light around people.

1:02:40And sorry, I'm getting to the point of that. I found that quite hard to watch. That's a big question, isn't it? Yeah. Right. So I want to really like and enjoy this. I don't know whether I just found all the it felt a bit like they threw a lot at it in terms of that kind of production of like there's a there's a scene in the in in the first episode where she's thinking about she's in bed and she's thinking about this boy and it's you know she's having you know lovely thoughts about him and everything. I love your description of this But she's having I don't know She's having lovely thoughts Well it's a lengthy It's a lengthy scene It's quite drawn out That scene wasn't it Yeah And then they come in And there's an arrest She's just thinking about him She's having a nice time With herself She's having a She is She's dealing with herself Let's just put it that way She's dealing with herself She's getting the job done A bit of self love She's getting the job done I admire what they're trying To do with this It has Very It's got very much a feel of, I don't know how to put this, and I don't want to sound horrible, because I think what they're trying to do is really lovely, but I found it difficult to watch and follow the story and keep my interest up when dramatic scenes were intercut with these devices.

1:04:04Does either of you know what I mean? I found that hard. There are flights of fantasy. I think they're calling it magic realism, magical realism. whereby and this is a film scrapper the film had had a bit of this in it as well so it's her thing it's charlotte regan um as a filmmaker's big thing i think is to have moments where which seem fantastical and so you get people kind of flying or kind of rising up into the air you get the sparks flying when the handsome man walks by them which is a device i've seen quite a few times um recently and you get her and you get different film stock almost of when they're having when they're having their little fantasy moments.

1:04:44She's dreaming about him, as you say, and then it kind of all gets very vivid, vivid lighting and a different kind of film stock to get technical about it. Like, it's almost like... So, yeah, she does stuff that's out of this world while telling a really realistic story of social realism, if you like. Sorry to interrupt, but that's, right? That's roughly what is happening. And the big question, I think, is do we like that thing or is it a bit of a gimmick? You know, how do we feel? And judging from the sound of it, you aren't entirely on board with those moments, those fantastical moments. I think I want to be on board with it because I love the idea of this story.

1:05:20But I think it's not for me. But that's not to say it won't be for other people. I found inserting the magical realism, I found for me it jarred and it stunted my enjoyment of the story. But that isn't to say that's not because. I'm just so used to watching things which are linear in their narrative. and I probably just couldn't appreciate it for what it was because if I had I known going into it oh I'm going to be I need to fully immerse myself into this world of magical realism maybe I'd have a different take on it but just in general I didn't enjoy it didn't make me want to watch any more of it whereas if it was just a linear narrative of a story about a girl from a Scottish crime family who'd fallen in love with a boy who was um she wasn't allowed to fall in love with I think personally I would have enjoyed that more but I do really appreciate filmmakers trying to do something different um so I don't want it to come off as a negative because it's not a negative it's just a very personal opinion about my level of enjoyment and what I'm used to watching and enjoy watching I would usually be in Steph's camp because you know I quite like as you say I quite like it just a straight drama but for some reason I really got on board with it I don't know what happened to me.

1:06:33Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think it's because I feel like we've seen a lot of crime dramas and I think she was, you know, and I have read, so I reviewed this for Boyd and I read an interview with Charlotte Regan, so I got to understand a bit more what she was trying to do with this. And I just think it's like, feels like a fresh take on something we've seen a lot, you know, in terms of a crime drama. So first of all, the fact that it's not just like the men on at the centre of this you know usually with these crime dramas you have these really sort of

1:07:09strong domineering men quite violent at the centre of it but this is focused all about the women in this crime family so it's got the young girl Shannon played by Emma Laird who is this as Steph said it is like a criminal Romeo and Juliet where she's fall you know star-crossed lovers fallen for someone from a rival crime family will it will it work you know she hopes it will but there's a lot stacked against them and then you've got the mum played by uh laura fraser who has sort of bought into this life from a very young age she met her husband dylan and she's grown up with it and this is just you know the criminal aspect of life is just what she's put up with and has become a part of but that's i think over the series that will change they're gonna um that's gonna unravel for her and it's gonna make her question you know her relationship with um dylan and then you've got the brilliant grandma right who is like uh lindsey duncan plays her and she is potty mouth she is horny she's gun-toting i love that character i think she's really fun so i think just in the characters alone like i'm putting the female stories at the center of it it felt different and fresh um and then the magical realism which i just thought it was quite sweet and again sort of elevated it from what i'm used to seeing so yeah i'm i was as surprised by that my reaction to it as um you Steph will be but I I actually really enjoyed it and I just and I just found it exciting to watch yeah I think you've opened your heart to the magical realism in a way that I haven't whereas I found it distracting and I want to be the person who's opened myself to the magical realism so I will watch another episode of it but you are a very closed in person you don't like to I am I am I won't let the magic in I just absolutely won't yeah um void yes I I'm fascinated by this show because um it's first of all i think it's absolutely brilliant that this is going out on bbc one on monday today monday as this comes out at nine o 'clock you cannot you cannot get more prime time for what is a quite weird kind of out there thing which even if you kind of forget about the magical realism stuff which is which is kind of part of its whole dna it's still quite a bold telling of a Romeo and Juliet style story you know in and of itself and I think it's brilliant I think the BBC for starters there's a huge amount of credit for giving Charlotte Regan the freedom to do this show and not only commission it and make it and give it the budget it needs because this can't this is you know there's a lot of ambition every shot in this in this program is striking and there's brilliant like location work Incredible shots.

1:09:49And there's, you know, there's a bit much of CGI, as we've said. There's different film stocks and different types of, different ambitious visuals. And it's all, you know, it can't have been cheap. It looks, it's all filmed beautifully and brilliantly. And it's going out prime time, as I said. It's fantastic that it's happening. Because it was also, this is, she's a working class, a proper working class talent. And you very rarely get this type of story of working class people on TV still vanishingly small number of shows like this written and creative and produced by someone working class and so all of that is brilliant i i'm not i i thought i think i think because i've seen scrapper with her film where there is a lot of this stuff similar stuff happening in scrapper you know like the cloudy wallpaper will start moving and stuff like that so it is her thing And I think she's almost like saying gritty kind of real stories with working class origins needn't have to be kind of grey, grim, and gritty.

1:10:51Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And that seems to be the impetus behind it. Dower. She's like fighting a one-woman war against Dower. I like that, though. I think that's too. I think it's brilliant. I'm not 100 % convinced. I'm slightly in between you two. So I'm not 100 % convinced that – I think sometimes it slows down the story when she does it in this show, whereas I think in the film, it's easier to get away with it. This is a six-part show, and I think sometimes, like, it just didn't need to have those moments. And yet, at the same time, I think I defend her right absolutely, and I defend the creative decisions to have them, because she's giving herself her own style and her own – and it does elevate it to being something different.

1:11:35That's the thing. Yeah. It's refreshingly different. Yeah, it's refreshing. So I'm fully behind it. As a viewing experience, I have some doubts about it. In this case, Mint is on BBC One today, Monday the 20th of April, 9 o 'clock, and I think it'll all be on the iPlayer as well, no doubt, and there you go. Moving on to we've had the Mint. now it's time for the beef Kay did you watch season one of Beef not that it matters because it's a whole different story and with completely new characters a completely new setting anyway so I actually didn't and I've been meaning to and this is really sort of like giving me the boot up the bum to do it because I really enjoyed this episode that I watched for the second series so as Boyd says you don't need to have watched the first series to enjoy this because it's a standalone story This whole show reminds me of The White Lotus in Tone and Feel because it is set in a luxury establishment, which is catering for the elite.

1:12:37It's a country club and Carrie Mulligan and Oscar Isaac's character, Oscar's character, he works there. He's like the manager and he's jumping through hoops because the billionaire owner is coming to visit and he's trying to impress them. and his wife who is a ostensibly an interior designer um is trying to help him with that but is also deeply frustrated in their relationship so they are dysfunctional um past issues are surfacing she feels um annoyed that um things in their personal life are unfinished and that he's constantly focused on work and she feels that her needs and her ambitions are unmet and he equally is frustrated with her and so it's just it's a bubbling hot pot of tension and um passive aggression and then on the other side you have the character of ashley who's this young woman who works for the country club and her boyfriend who is an outworked fitness trainer and they're at the beginning stages of their relationship so it's very idealized and you know they're obsessed with each other they you know he is deeply in touch with his emotions and overthinks everything to do with their relationship and they're all both sets of like couples are working for the man and are like you know um trying to sort of have aspirations of you know social elevation but they're both in the same situation of like they are just working and trying to make ends meet and trying to survive and it's all about this uh older couple having this uh tense standoff which is witnessed by this younger couple who then don't know what to do about it they don't know whether to call the police because they sense that Carey Mulligan is in danger.

1:14:23They've taken a video of the events and it's about how that story then unfolds of what they do or don't do and how the couple, how Oscar Isaac, who has witnessed them being there, how he handles the situation and tries to shut it all down. I just really liked it. Like I said, it reminded me of The White Lotus. I think the characters are so well-drawn. You can empathise with both sets. You can see that the older couple of like you know you have battle scars of their relationship probably shouldn't be together but are trying to survive an awful level of dysfunction but you can see how they've got to that place and then you can see from the younger couple's point of view how they just don't want that future and they can't they cannot see beyond their new romance and the first flushes of youth and love to see any other side of it other than this is really bad we need to intervene um but yeah it's going to be interesting like it's it's it's tense it's awkward it's um it's really well done and it's beautifully shot so I really liked it oh my god I'm gonna I'm gonna be you know how James has got that thing where he cannot like he can't bear cringe comedy right and you you've said the two right tense and awkward now I think 100 % this is going to get better and better and and absolutely this is a great show but I found it so I found it so uncomfortable because I couldn't bear I mean I don't like confrontation at all I'm not a confrontational person I hate arguing anything like that and I just found it so it's so a show called beef exactly it's like and that's why I didn't watch the first beef because I watched the first episode of beef which uh the first season with Ali Wong and it's about it's actually about um a real life event um where there was the road rage incident and i watched the first episode of that i was like oh this is not for me i can't because i find too stressful it's i find it really stressful watching people argue and my god oscar isaac and carrie malligan they absolutely go at it and it's a brilliant the fight scene between them the continued argument they kind of go from one room in the house the other room in the house and it's um off the bat they've just had this fundraiser for frogs to save the frogs at their country yeah that's and it opens it's and the observations about the elite oh oh it's you know the satire is good yeah the the dark comedy of it is incredible um but as you put it so well they're both these two couples you've got this young couple and you know from the outset their their love is going to be corrupted in some way because they're dealing with the social inequalities and the hierarchy and this other couple are in the upper echelons dealing with the upper echelons of um society and it's just that they're similar these two couples are so so similar in the fact that they're you know they once used to be in stages of the process right i know and it's just it's it's it's so upsetting to watch it's really uncomfortable but that is testament to how brilliant i mean i haven't seen carrie mulligan in anything for ages and i could almost have forgotten what an unbelievably incredible dramatic actress actress because she just makes me feel so upset you know in this scene where she's screaming at him and the things that she's saying to him um you feel you feel so embedded in the in the midst of their the relationship the misery of their relationship um and then obviously when they realize that they've been filmed the scene that comes after they realizing they've been filmed there's a bit of comedy and it is very darkly comic isn't it um oh yeah but my god i just found it i was like i cannot I cannot watch this.

1:18:02I can't watch it. It's just too... Wait a minute. This is even worse than James. James can't watch half of the things on TV because of, you know, he's a grinch. You can't watch it for conflict. You have to avoid conflict. I mean, doesn't that rule out like every drama ever made? No, do you know what it is? It's specific. No, what I'm saying is this is so honed in on a couple's extended argument. That scene is such a long scene. It's really uncomfortable. It's brilliant. It's absolutely brilliant. It feels like succession in that way. Yes. And you know when you want like, but I, like I, in real life obviously hate conflict, but I, do you know, I don't know why I'm so relaxed watching it.

1:18:40Maybe it's because I know it's not my own life. Of course it is. But for me, it just felt, it felt like it felt really real. I felt like I was in the room with these people whilst they were having this really intimate argument about the state of their marriage. Mummy and daddy are fighting. Yeah. And I was like, oh God, this is so, but like I say, I'm going to say it again. It's testament to how brilliant the acting is because it felt so real and raw. And there's a bit in it where she goes to him, I hate you. And it's just, oh my God, it just feels, it does feel very mummy and daddy's fighting.

1:19:09It really just, yeah, but brilliant. And I did, I enjoyed it in the fact that I can, it's a fantastic story. And I, towards the end, you see how, like I said, you see how these young couple come to a realization that God, life isn't fair. And actually we should try and do something about this. and you think, oh God, the corruption of their young innocents. They've got a bit of clout now. Yeah. They've got their own straight-to-pour moods. Yeah. Brilliant. Yes, they have. Did I ever think that was going to get mentioned in the pod? No, I did not. But yeah, but it is uncomfortable to watch. It is uncomfortable to watch.

1:19:49Yeah, that's the whole thing, yeah. You didn't watch the first season, did you say? I watched the first episode. Like I said, I watched the first episode. and then I didn't carry on because I can't take it. I can't take like one continuous argument for like eight episodes. It's funny you should say that we can't take it for eight episodes because you've watched the first episode, right? Yes. Well, episode two, without wanting to spoil it, at the end of episode two is a whole new thing. It's a whole new thing. What a huge new level of tension. It's a whole different thing. I'm so excited. Yeah.

1:20:23So you need to kind of carry on watching it And you'll see that it's not just what you – this story, brilliantly, is not just what you think it is from the setup, from the first setup. It then goes down another road, which is extraordinary. The final scene of episode two is absolutely incredible. Yeah. I love it when you do this. I love it when you flag that we should continue because – I'm flagging it. Yeah. It's a big thing. Yeah. Oh, I'm not – I'm definitely going to keep watching it. Oh, good. I have to just deal with my own – Steal yourself, yeah. Yeah, because I can appreciate it. This is going to be a great show.

1:20:59This is going to be fantastic. It's already a great show for me. I don't think you talk about Carrie Mulligan, brilliant. Of course, she was in The Ballad of Thingy, What's It? Absolutely fantastic. Yeah, I need to see that. Exactly. Kay's long, dark journey. It's the soul of trying to find screens to watch it at. Famously. I don't think she or Oscar Isaac have been better, ever been better than that. They are so brilliant in this show. He, in particular, I think, because I feel like I'm kind of used to him being in Star Wars and being a kind of big macho hero figure. He's so reduced, isn't he?

1:21:36Like a man. And he's enthralled to her to some extent. Frustrated in his work. He kind of has to deal with absolutely brilliant boss. Frustrating himself. Frustrating himself, exactly. to Chairwoman Park, who is the owner of the country club, who is brilliantly played by Yoon Yoo-jung, who is fantastic. And she has this assistant who has to kind of like magically work out every single thing she wants to do. All of that. The relationship between the assistant and the privileged person has never been more brilliantly drawn as it is in the show as well. I love all that stuff. And then you've got the young couple who are fantastic as well.

1:22:14Charles Melton is hilarious as this kind of would-be personal trainer. And it just captures that disconnect between these two young people in this age of mobile phones and social media and smartphones. Hyper-communicative, so connected. Yeah, and yet not, because they kind of do their own shit and they kind of get annoyed with each other when they interrupt each other doing their own things, which are inevitably to do with TikTok or whatever the hell they're doing. It just feels so on the button. I mean, I love season one. The whole point of it is that these are stories united by the idea that when human beings get into conflict, it can get out of hand so quickly.

1:22:58The phrase that escalated quickly is made for these shows, these stories. But what's brilliant about season one was fantastic, and it just went to the end of the extreme of what could happen if these two people in this road rage incident that you referred to, Steph. But this has much more going on than that, even. I think that's a really clever thing by the creator, Lee Seung Jin, to do, is to bring another thing, an element into it. As I say, I keep referring to it at the end of episode two. So it's absolutely brilliant. And the other thing is there's a character played by Song Kang Ho, who is Chairwoman Park's associate figure.

1:23:39If you recognize, he's in Parasite. He's the lead in Parasite, and he's an absolutely brilliant actor as well. and he comes into it more as time goes on. I won't say much more for spoiling it. I think it's phenomenal. I think it's absolutely brilliant, even better than season one. And yeah, it's all out on Netflix now, I believe. Yes, it all dropped. As a vegetarian, I love beef. Whoa. Yeah, beef. Oh, we're all vegetarians on here, aren't we? Well, let's not get into that, because Kate... Okay, okay. Yeah, he's partial to chicken, but he's largely a vegetarian. I do not refer to myself as a vegetarian.

1:24:13let me make that absolutely clear I refer to myself I'm a I eat fish pescatarian yeah I eat fish and chicken sometimes okay you're not you're not no I just only read meat many many times I can't believe I always do you know what for all these years that I've known you which is probably nearly 20 years I thought you were a vegetarian this whole time why is that that's the image he likes to put out there but anyway

1:24:39yes anyway moving on to the final show we're reviewing this week. You've heard them. You've heard them being interviewed, Peter Capaldi and Chris Jumbo. And now we've got season two of the show. They are two kind of like rival or two frenemy police people, police people, police investigators. Detectives. Detectives. Yeah, detectives. Season one was all about, could she trust him? Is he to be trusted? Is he breaking the law and getting what he wants out of this case? And she's trying to be, stay on the right side of morality. and there was a whole clash between the two of them and how that would resolve itself.

1:25:15And now in season two, they're kind of brought together on a case where he wants to kind of get help from her, really, in sorting out his new drive to investigate the death of a young man in a hideous rally, a kind of right-wing rally coming to conflict with another demonstration in the centre of London. And there's a death and it affects everyone profoundly, particularly because Jumbo and it all kicks off from there doesn't it Steph? What did you think? Oh I love this you know what I'm so annoyed that I hadn't watched Criminal Record season one and I am going to go back and watch Criminal Record season yeah I'm surprised too I don't know I think it just somehow it passed me by I'm not sure what I was doing something definitely not as worthwhile as watching Criminal Record series one because this is absolutely right up my street Peter Capaldi is so magnetic on screen I can't as is Kush absolutely and there's a scene where they meet which I think is kind of third of the way through this first episode.

1:26:14And just the dialogue between the two of them in this scene in the coffee shop is incredible. And Peter Capaldi's level of screen presence is kind of unparalleled, isn't it? He's so uniquely watchable and you're just so drawn into his words. You find yourself just watching his mouth because everything he's saying is just, oh it was delivered so beautifully i love the premise of this whole thing so it opens on the rally scene and then uh quickly escalates quickly um and unfortunately someone it as they kind of disperse it's revealed that someone has actually lost their life and um then a character has to go to the the family and it's you know it sadly it's a kind of indictment of a of the situation we are in a lot of the time in this country at the moment where things escalate quickly and rallies and people there are just a couple of bad people a well-intentioned rally and it all goes fucking wrong anyway absolutely love this I love anything where you're not quite sure who's on the right side because you're not like with Peter Cavalde you're like so you're you're in this yourself but you need something from her but I don't know whether you're entirely how much of a slippery I love a slow kind of unraveling of a web of deceit in anything.

1:27:40I have no notes for this, but do you know what was really annoying? I wanted to go and on Pilot Plus, somebody recommended to us that if you hadn't watched the first season of something, you could go on YouTube. And I was like, oh, I'm going to go on YouTube. So I've got that on this thing called BingeBot. And I was like, I'm going to go and look on BingeBot and see what the season one was all about. Because when I was reading about it, it was really hard to kind of extrapolate what it was all about but it was just you know webs of deceit here and this person thought that this person was doing something wrong and then you know that wrongly convicted people and all that which again right up my street so there's a the end of this episode as well is fantastic I think what happens at the end of this episode is not what you obviously not what you expect and then it makes you question even more what you originally thought halfway through the episode so yeah I'm saying all this in a very mysterious way as so as not to give it away but again has my favorite device which all of these things have which is um Kush's character is haunted by an old case from the requisite I think 10 to 16 years ago usually like 8 10 to 16 years ago and she gets up her phone and she sees and you know she's looking at old reels and stuff so yeah it's it brilliant absolutely loved it okay do you see in season one no I didn't I watched the first episode I think we reviewed the first episode I found it too stressful oh my god this is so funny like me on a case stress levels are very you know there's a lot of wuss action going on at the moment oh yeah wow and i think and there were some other shows that i just kind of um prioritized but i recognize at the time and i think we reviewed it and said it was brilliant as steph has said for all the reasons steph has said i just um i really like the two central characters and like you said steph it's very hard for me having not seen season one particularly but i knew there was conflict between them i knew there was a sort of uneasy friendship between them where kush was on the back foot it's very interesting to watch this dynamic and how much and how they sort of need each other but kush is you know or june her ds june is reluctant to trust him but like i said they have to rely on each other to a certain degree and watching that play out um so yeah Yeah.

1:29:54And I thought it was very realistic. So the beginning scenes of the rallies and how it escalates, as we've seen on the news. And I've got a member of my family deals with that situation when those rallies happen in London. And actually, it gave me a newfound sort of understanding of what they put themselves through, the danger that comes with it, the sort of the high level of planning involved and the need to make decisions in that split second. yeah I thought it was very well done and felt very authentic oh I was it really the whole scene of the rally and then the counter demonstration and the conflict and the fighting that whole sequence was like brilliantly done and I'm fascinated how it must be a nightmare doing those things it's so real that you think there's a riot going on around the corner and they must be able to how they block off the aerial where they're filming and how they it's off pod I'll tell you all about it a lot of planning goes into it and stress and management and you know oh I meant as much about the filming I meant the filming of it as the actual thing no the actors the actual events which are extraordinary stress on the police etc but I'm talking about filming it like how blocking off the streets yeah people are flinging themselves at each other I mean just in terms of camera angles and stuff like that how do you get into the melee staging a right wing counter rally in the middle of central London on location when you're making a drama.

1:31:21Just that whole task is like, it strikes me as being really difficult, fraught with, you know, dangers in itself. And then you've got the actual... And that's the drama. That's the drama, yeah. I'm fascinated by the drama and how they make it and the ambition. It is... The whole show brilliantly rests on this constantly evolving, shape-shifting relationship with Peter Capaldi and Chris Jumbo's characters. and um you know season one was all about you know what to what extent can she trust him and can you know what what are they both prepared to do to get what they want in their in their cases how far do you push things in terms of you know breaking the law and being maverick detectives etc but and it was what was i think unique and brilliant about it was that it did all that which is all quite you know that's grist to the mill for every other prime show out there but this was so well done that you really believed in it and it had an authenticity to it.

1:32:19The use of the London locations and the characters seemed very real. Even the kind of the bad guys versus the good guys. Often the bad guys weren't as bad as you thought they would be or had reasons to be bad and the good guys were worse than you thought they would be. It did all of that really well. I just thought it was just so well done. And of course these two brilliant actors at the centre of it who are both fantastic. Capaldi's. Season 1 started this brilliant sequence which i i think is one of the best openings to a show for years which is him him in this driving and looking after this couple and telling him and they're wanting stories about him he told them that he's working security for them but he's also a cop and they were like and the whole thing was brilliantly done driving through this london at night and him telling them about the deaths that he'd had to deal with it was brilliant anyway this this carries on i think it's really good now i have one i do have one note do you have i have one i have one i know No, I said a no note, so I do have one note.

1:33:14And I wonder if your one note is going to... My note is that they put something in the eye, and maybe you can tell me this is necessary. I did, I really don't like, and you find this device in a lot of kind of cop shows. The cops always, always, always have to be in therapy with their partner. And I just find that a bit annoying. You know, I don't think this needs it. She doesn't need to, you know, be in therapy with a partner. And they always do that. They always, always now have this scene, you know, where someone's coming out of the house and they're obviously going to therapy and then they do the scene on the sofa and then they talk about it afterwards.

1:33:54I just feel, I just don't, I don't want any more of those. I would defend that on the grounds that, no, no, no, it is a scene we've seen a lot before, you're right. I think what's good, I think what's good about it, and this is typical of the whole show really, apart from my one caveat, which I'll come to, is that I think the scenes afterwards were pleasantly not what you expect them to be you know they're not having a go at each other they actually it's almost like the therapy worked didn't it they had a nice stroll in the park yeah it was almost pedestrianised yeah and the way they deal with the kid you know wanting to move in I think the insights into her private life are quite cleverly done and quite you know they don't take over the whole show but I do feel they're quite real I believe in that I believe in I know we've seen it before but I believe in this version of what we've seen before Okay well that's a good point I just think I would like you know every single cop we see they none of them have everybody has to be in therapy like they always have Well everyone should be in therapy but I think but yes I think what's good about this and it is I do recognise it it's a device that's used a lot is that rather than ramming loads of information in it like to you know like to explain the situation and give all this background detail exposition.

1:35:09It doesn't do that, which I quite liked. It was quite brief. Yeah, it was brief. I suppose we watched something a while back where I felt like it was really laboured and it was a massive part of that. That detectives, you know, they can only be good at the job if everything else is, you know, if everything else at home is failing and it's all, you know, because they're putting their life's work into it. And I suppose, yeah, maybe I'm just a little bit fatigued with that. No, I'm absolutely pro-therapy. I absolutely agree with you. Everyone should be in therapy. But in terms of the drama, I think I'm a bit fatigued with that device.

1:35:41Boyd, what's your beef with this? My beef is, my slight note is that in, I don't know how many episodes you watch, but there's a character played by Dustin Demery Burns, who is a kind of like cross between Tucker Carlson, Russell Brand, Piers Morgan. Oh, your favourite people. All my favourite people. He's like a right-wing online personality making his own show, right? And we see him more in episode two than episode one. We see him doing his stuff and in the studio and talking his nonsense. And his group that he's part of, this right-wing group, is part of the whole central storyline. And I don't buy his character.

1:36:35I don't buy this character yet. And it's a really hard thing to do because we know of examples of these people who have become hugely successful, influential, online, now mainly online people. Actually, Piers Morgan, I wouldn't include any more in this group because I think he's kind of redeemed himself quite a lot with the way his online show deals with issues. But I'm talking about these real online activists who are talking absolute nonsense, conspiracy theorists, exploiting people's weaknesses literally in this story. Banging all about Flat Earth and all that kind of rubbish. Flat Earth or more, it's more, you know, racist theories, anti-Semitism theories, all of that.

1:37:16Conspiracy theories. And I just think that's a really hard thing to pull off to create a character who is a bit like all these people we know and have heard of in the manosphere and all of that. And to actually successfully bring it off. And it's such a well-judged show. it's so you know it never got it never really sinks into melodrama or at least that that character stands out to me as one i don't quite buy and you know it might just be me you might you might go along with it but as it goes on you see more and more of him and i'm like wait are you saying he's heightened not really because in a way they those characters those people are heightened right they themselves are caricatures of themselves absolutely exactly so it's valid i'm not so i'm not criticizing the performance by the way because i think dust and every bones is always great and everything and he's clearly been there's a reason why he's doing it in that way but i just i don't know i just kind of slightly i just didn't buy his character it's just yeah one of those things you bumped against him i bumped against him yeah but i may i may be one round who knows um but it's it's it's a fantastic it's a really good week and it's another really well-made season after the excellent season one.

1:38:29I'm excited because James has seen the whole series and he's very excited to talk about it. So next week you will be getting, I'm sure, a full rundown of his thoughts. Yeah, James was gutted because he has watched all of this, obviously, well in advance when it arrived on our Apple TV portals, preview portals, and was desperate to bang on about it. But he decided to take the week off. He even suggested that we delay the review to when he comes back. I mean like the whole thing is centered around here Well you should do a spoiler special What a demon Sounds like it warrants it You should do a capture and criminal record spoiler special Yes Maybe one day we will That's it for reviews this week I'm looking at the also on section I'm just balancing my laptop which has this information on it on my on my lap You haven't got a mag in front of you We're not doing the classic Russell Exactly It's Tuesday I haven't had a chance to get the mag Yeah Oh god But what I will say is other stuff coming out this week includes Running Point Season 2, this is a Netflix show.

1:39:29Running Point. Yeah. You know I love Kate Hudson, Running Point. We all love Kate Hudson. Yes, controversial stuff. I watched Series 1, a lot of Series 1. I did not find it funny. As funny as it should be. Right. You know when I have my tonsillectomy, right, I said afterwards that I watched some shows which I was deeming recovery shows, right, shows that you can watch when you're you know you're you're you've taken drugs exactly right and you don't actually have to pay them that much attention to them so just easy to watch and i watched the whole first season running point and the reason why i found that so enjoyable is you don't really have to watch it very much do you know what i mean you don't really but did you actively not like it i just do you know what it does sorry boyd i just derailed you very briefly i just with the people involved like you thought and co-creative with mindy you know Mindy's going to be amazing but I think what I'm increasingly finding is that I'm less a fan of like I don't think I've expected it to be much much funnier than it was and consistently funny and yeah it felt a bit predictable but anyway sorry boys oh it's 100 % predictable everything in it was completely predictable absolutely everything but yeah that's why I've like resigned it to recovery television yeah I love her so I will watch anything she's also got Justin Theroux in it of course as well who I love to know equally he's just not listening to us it's literally just what we just said Justin Theroux who is yeah and he is a drug addict it's almost hitting two hours now I mean and also I am trying to balance my laptop on my laptop and look at what else is out this week Steph it's a tough job okay I'm just saying maybe it's time to invest in a lap tray is what I'd say I mean you could be right yes there's also this thing called Kevin which is an adult animated show about a house cat called Kevin which is interesting because it's got quite a good voice cast Amy Sedaris is in Aubrey Plaza, created by Aubrey Plaza and other people.

1:41:25And obviously, famously, we have a bit of an antipathy towards, at least I do, animated stuff with James' which is really unfair and ridiculous. Completely unfair. What's interesting is this is an animated show about Kat and Ricky Gervais' new project, which is all being, which is talked about, he's ready to arrive on Netflix soon. They're just doing all the different versions of it around the world they have to do for the, but that show is all about a gang of cats as well. so animation and cast oh my god it's happening it's a big year for that okay there's a show called Saint Pierre on You and Alibi on Thursday which is a death in paradise is it actually in the death in paradise universe okay oh okay no no not at all it's just got the actress who was in death in paradise oh okay fine Josephine Gilbert okay there you go excellent The Cage starts on Sunday on BBC One which is the new Sheridan Smith drama we probably could have done that but that I think is embargo too which we'll probably do the next week.

1:42:19Showed us with Michael Socha. Oh, love him. I believe are in that. And then he says, scrambling around to look. I've been calling him Michael Socha. It's Socha, is it? I've been calling him Michael Socha his whole life. Cage, do you know? Have you hosted a Q &A with him? Not yet, no. Okay. I'm doing the Cage screening, but I don't know if he's going to be there. Please. If he is, I will get that breaking news. Socha or Socha, please. I'd like to know. Unchosen a big new Netflix drama with Asa Butterfield and others about cult religion which I've seen quite a lot of that starts tomorrow Tuesday the 21st which is an unusual release day for a Netflix show and was embargoed till that day one day out we could have reviewed it today but it was one day out the embargo on that there's an animated Stranger Things spin-off that starts on the 23rd it's a big week for animated stuff and on Friday Richard Gad's new project, his first project since Baby Reindeer, the huge phenomenon, arrives on the iPlayer.

1:43:20This is iPlayer first. This is, again, to fans of unusual release plans. His show Half Man arrives on the iPlayer, episode one, on Friday, this Friday. It then goes the following week to Tuesday night on BBC One. And it's only on weekly, even on iPlayer, it's on weekly. So it's just a bizarre schedule. But I've seen all of it, and I can't say because it's embargoage, but again we'll do that we'll cover that in the next episode i'm sure and of course uh mine to you will be out in the podcast as well that's about it what has been what is our fucking pick of the week so mine is beef but i want to give special mention to mint for being uh different yeah it's beef the beef the beef is one it's the it's the i'm gonna say i'm it's really hard i beat crim i really enjoyed Criminal Record but I probably would be beef just because I'm putting aside my being uncomfortable with people shouting at each other very loudly for a long time how have we somehow managed to make this even longer than when James does it I don't know I can only apologise anyway you've both been brilliant thank you very much Steph and Kay thank you Boyd for hosting I've been Boyd and we'll be back next week under the return of the fascistic dictatorial regime yeah and I will miss It's okay, and I feel very sad about that.

1:44:43No, enjoy the peace. We'll all be back. I will feel very sad. See you then. Pilot out.