Man On Fire spoiler chat

0:07Welcome to our Man on Fire spoiler chat, which in this particular case is me on fire and Steph on fire. Boyd is not on fire specifically because he hasn't finished the show. Just lazy, Steph, I'm saying lazy. Just unbelievable. Unprofessional, really, in many ways. Yeah. But we said we were going to have a chat about the show, which I really enjoyed and did, of course, storm through when we first reviewed this for the podcast, being a massive fan of both the AJ Quinnell novel and indeed Tony Scott's film with Denzel Washington. So I was curious to see what they did with this. But Steph, I sense you have thoughts about this.

0:40You have the demeanour of someone who has many things to say about this series, which is, of course, we should say, written in its entirety by showrunner Carl Killen, who did the whole adaptation himself. I, all the thoughts I have are wonderful. Let me just put it that way. Cause I absolutely loved it. What I would say is I think the last three episodes are so amazing. I do love episode two, but I think the last three episodes are particularly good, are particularly good. And so I think why it took me, cause I, you know, we were saying we're going to do this for a while. and then I think I'd kind of was stuck on I was stuck on episode three and I wasn't sure why I couldn't just but then from then I was like I thought it was really propulsive but there's something kind of in the middle and I don't know what it is whether it's the bit where you're kind of working out that it's Tappan and he's the bad guy and you know it's coming sort of all coming together in you know in Creasy's mind and I was just really you know sometimes in the series you get really stuck and you can't kind of push yourself to the other side, but push myself to the other side.

1:49I did, and it was absolutely fantastic. I'm really curious because you made mention of an egregious miscasting. I did. Okay. And I'm wondering, it's not a huge part, but I'm wondering if it's the same person that I thought, oh, that's a bit of a strange, but it doesn't seem to be the right role for this person. is it paul ben victor's role interesting no it wasn't so that's that's that's moncrief isn't it the director of the cia but no it wasn't that now this may be because of the type of things i watch but but oh i know who it is it can't be scott mcnery yeah it is a truth universally acknowledged that if scoop mcnery is in your film and he is not the bad guy then he is the bad guy and that is literally just a fact it is the law of nature you can't get around it it just is what it is so the second Scoot McNary turns up on screen I'm like well you're the bad guy and that was it like that's all I needed all I needed was to see his face and I knew the entire plot of the show and so but knowing that they must have known that casting him which is why I don't understand why they cast him okay that's such a good point yeah I I suppose because I went into it with thinking oh my god who is James talking about who is James talking about and I thought Paul Benvictor was I think it was a really strange decision because also probably in the same way I'm he's always to me the gangster do you know what i mean he's it's just a really weird role for him i thought this is a strange small role for you to take on and you have really no lines and it didn't seem out of place it doesn't it just doesn't seem right but yeah that's a really good point i think who would ever been in that role though and you know we talked about this before yeah who would whoever had played henry tappan's role so you would have known that that was the baddie obviously from from the books anyway but also i think it's really obvious that he's going to be you know he's going to be the duplicitous one you come to it now thinking well obviously it's someone on the inside obviously it's somebody who's going to um creasy's going to have respect for and he's going to have to show this vulnerability that he has been fooled and he can't quite believe it um so i think whoever was in that role in slight defense of his casting whoever was in that role you'd know that they were the baddie well it depends if you need to pick someone who you just wouldn't think i don't know who that person would be but let's say it was tom hanks right like if you'd cast tom hanks in that role no one would have thought he would like ever it would not have entered your mind but scoot mcnery and i'm bless you scoot this is not personal criticism he has an inherent shiftiness to him he has an untrustworthiness to him that you just he's a wrong and he's just a wrong and he radiates wronginosity he's he's got that kind of weak slimy man thing about him hasn't he's got kind of like he's like really kind of oh i don't know he makes my skin crawl yeah he has a big incel energy yeah he has big incel energy yeah he's really kind of sorry i'm so sorry i know you subscribe to the podcast i can only apologize no but like to his credit to his credit because you really believe he is that nasty bastard don't you like he's absolutely amazing but I want to mention a couple of um scenes that I thought was so brilliant and just so cinematic and I love it and I really want to talk about the fact that this felt so big budget this we talk you know I know we've talked a lot about the fact that nowadays you get these great series and they just feel like six seven hour films and this to me did feel like that you know albeit with this kind of dip that i had in the middle which i can't quite get to grips with what that was but anyway um i think it maybe it's because you know i think is it episode two where you have the plane you know the plane scene oh i want to now bearing in mind bearing in mind it has been a while since i watched this so my division between episodes i can't 100 say but sure it sounds around episode three let's okay let's go with two let's say i think it's i think it's episode two i think it's kind of and yeah it's kind of second part of episode two that is so bold what they do in that scene and i i don't even want to think about how much it costs but it's relentless and it goes on and just when you think okay the plane's going to stop or something's gonna happen it keeps going and it keeps going and there's more and and yaya um abdul-matin is able to just keep up that like kind of the energy and the pace of those insane scenes.

6:17I can't almost believe he does it. And you're with him. It's really like chest-pounding stuff. And again, that's a big scene, obviously, with a huge plane. It's amazing. But the other scene I really loved, the scenes in the prison. Prison is brilliant, yeah. I mean, not prison generally. Prison is not brilliant fundamentally, but this prison was great. to me that whole episode that episode which again i think is episode i want to say episode six or seven um where there's a bit where he's wheeling the trolley out and he's got the prisoner inside the trolley underneath and just oh my god i was so nervous you know when you're watching and this is and he's doing it in such a measured way but it's so cinematic and i watched it um i watched it on my on my big tv and i think this is one of those things that you know we often talk about the screen size you're watching things if you don't watch it on a big screen you're really missing out on the explosions because there's such a great number of explosions the explosion scene where he does the kind of molotov cocktail where he realized just before the guy um uh you know the guy beto shoots the guy who's putting the grenade in right at the end and then he does the Molotov cocktail and then it's just his shadow his silhouette sorry his silhouette with all the fire and it's the it is the man on fire you know piece um wow I just it was rip-roaring success I think this is and obviously it will have a season two because they've laid the groundwork for it they have usually so because I can't I mean I do remember actually vaguely how the book ends it but the thing is it's you talk about adaptations to the book like the book has no connection really to the film beyond the very vague outline of the plot and then this has even less connection to either the film or the book so it's so because i said this this this combines perfect kill and man on fire so it's the first two crazy books uh but when i say combine it's shall we say inspired by i think like it doesn't follow the same beats at all the plot is nothing to do with each other it's just nothing at all oh it really isn't like so like if you've seen tony scott's man on fire It is about Creasy, who is now retired.

8:39He is washed up. He's an alcoholic. He's got PTSD. He's got all this sort of stuff. And he takes a job as a bodyguard for this young girl, played by Dakota. Very young Dakota Fanning, Pinto. And he's, I mean, he's a wreck. He drinks. And that's why he's cheap. And they hire him. And he, but he bonds with this girl. And this girl gradually kind of brings him out of himself and helps him to kind of rediscover who he is. So it's actually very sweet, the kind of relationship they have. Then she gets - But this is notes. This has notes of this, doesn't it? Well, this is the interesting thing. So the crux of this, the film, is his relationship with the girl, how it was starting to heal him, how she gets, quote unquote, killed.

9:13And then he goes on this rampage of revenge because she was his lifeline and he decides to burn the world down and kill everyone connected to her. and again the book is similar to that but it's not quite the same and it's set in Italy as Volsor Mafia it's not in South America at all um or Central America and um uh whereas this it has that paternal custodian thing going on with Poe but it's not the same because she's just his friend's daughter she's a lot older she's an older teenager doesn't need him in quite the same way uh and she doesn't have that bond with him so it's a really odd thing so it's almost like she's only in it to pay lip service to that original thread of the original book slash film and that's not to say i didn't enjoy it and actually i actually think it's a slightly more layered more interesting interpretation rather than being that he has a bond with this child the child is kidnapped slash killed and he goes and kills everyone this it's more like he wants to go and kill everyone because they killed his friend but he has to look after this girl who frankly needs him but also is old enough that he can tell himself that she doesn't and it's more of an emotional need rather than a you know basic parental care need if that makes sense because she's traumatized and she doesn't have anyone i actually think that the problem with that and that was the probably the only thing i didn't particularly love about this is i think that poe's character doesn't have the vulnerability that you need her to and i love i you know i love the original um man of not the original the second one as we've discovered of course i i mentioned the book and i mentioned tony scott's but i don't mention the earlier film yes yeah I think the problem is exactly as you say with Poe's character is that if she was younger, if she was as young girl as Dakota Fanning is in the Denzel Washington film, you would have, he would be more, I don't know, his level of protection would be propelled more.

11:04I just think with Poe's character in this, like you said, she doesn't need him. And also, almost the emotional crutch is reciprocal between these two characters because it's almost like at times and there's a specific moment where he finds out that actually the hotel the apartment complex that they blow up it wasn't even going to be that apartment and it was because he was in there and there's this kind of flashbulb moment for him that actually not only is he trying to avenge but he's avenging something that wouldn't have happened unless he was there so god that the you know the levels of like emotional turmoil are just way heavy and she's almost there to say okay don't worry we you know we're to get we're together now and this is fine and actually kind of appease any of his level of guilt and he never is over and Creasy isn't with his affection of her um and obviously you get to the end I mean and I was still like oh my god is this going to go really left field is is he going to is he going to die at the end and obviously he doesn't and he's going to hopefully go on to another mission and we'll have season two and that's brilliant but yeah I there is only the only thing about if you watch it in a binge I would say there's only so many times you can look at Poe's face and think this girl cannot keep up these watery eyes for the do you know do you know what I mean it's a very slight complaint but she she's just has that kind of I mean that is her only function in it to just constantly look terrified and it is terrifying everything that she's going through but yeah i don't know whether that slightly i found that slightly irritating if i had to be incredibly picky i i understand where you're coming from i think it's kind of distilled when valeria kind of talks to him about the fact that like that she she needs him on a fundamental level and that she what he doesn't understand is like he's completely committed to the self-destructive act of self sacrifice where he's going to kill himself to kill all these people and she's like you don't understand what that will do to her because you're the only thing she's hanging on to and i think the reason why he doesn't realize that is because she's slightly older like he doesn't make that connection young child needs protect he just sees young adults but he doesn't realize that she's still very emotionally vulnerable so i thought that added layers to it but you're absolutely right i think poe felt a little bit extraneous to the story for a lot of it like she was a bit of a kind of a plot device here and there uh and and they try and weave it in together but that kind and this brings it back to our dear friend Scoot McNary.

13:32I put it to you. If you are an enforcer who works for the CIA, who's come in to essentially commit an act of domestic terror under false flag attack, and you are deliberately, deliberately concealing your identity from the people you're working with, why, oh why, oh why, when you see a random civilian bystander, would you lift up your mask to show her your face for no reason? Not least of all, it's dangerous. You're on a motorbike. but why would i mean there were a few plot points like that in this i was just like oh fuck off and genuinely i got quite annoyed and i've almost got like a list of them but that was a big one when the two enforcers infiltrate the favela following valeria and the gang have them in their sights and like shoot one of them and the other one gets away it's like with the best will of the world i know they're not like special forces but fucking hell like it's your favela you know the groundwork you have the drop on them there is zero chance this guy gets away like none i i totally agree yeah i mean the bit i obviously is to you know it all comes together when she realizes that that you know and it's for the confirmation so creases in the when he's in the prison and he's saying look up a name and it's for the confirmation because she cannot access that part of her memory she cannot access that facial memory and she needs to know so yeah I know you I know what you mean like why would he do that it's ridiculous but yeah and also I agree the part is also true but I tell you what I really I thought you know quite often with these kinds of things you get sort of a subplot which isn't you know which is interesting but obviously you know you could you could live without it but i found the livro and beto um their whole dynamic i the person i cared about most in this whole thing was livro i honestly i was like oh my god you know just save livro at all costs this young boy who just needs to get out of this with ella and the the bit where he go he says um you think i'm weak and i'm i'm not weak and i i didn't do i didn't want to do what my brother said because I thought it was wrong not because I'm weak and or I found like that you know that emotion in there really like gave me something and actually those two the dynamics between those two was was beautiful to watch and again I think you talked when we originally talked about this show I spoke about the the use of the favelas and how beautifully and I think you also made mention to City of God which it obviously really reminds reminds you of but just the way they use drones to to really take in those vistas is spectacular yeah and it's and the favela looks amazing and you really feel like you feel like you're immersed in it yeah there's an authenticity to that yeah there's a real authenticity and it's i think it's probably one of the only times that boyd would actually really um like corridors because when you're going around those the the corridor like matrix of a favela it's inherently exciting the and when Livro says, you know, this is the only place where the poor live above the rich and then you look down on Rio.

16:47I mean, it's spectacular. So, God, yeah, I really, really loved everything about this apart from, yeah, maybe the Poe, which I'm being very picky. Weirdly, Poe is not on my big list of grievances. Give me your big list of grievances and I'll see if I agree. Grievance number whatever we're on now. so there's a bit where creasy takes a hostage cuts open his chest puts in a makeshift explosive and again there's a there's a thing with an enema bomb in the film if you may remember which is kind of reminded me of but like the guy when he's infiltrating the little warehouse the guy fights back and hits him with a piece of rebar doesn't he and instead of being creasy and just punching the guy in the face stealthily he blows his heart up it's like that's noisy you could totally have taking that guy out what are you doing i know but that was an accident i found that bit quite funny because i do think there are there are there are elements of humor in here where he and he just kind of goes oh fuck like that doesn't he that's true he does realize after his last shit i shouldn't have done that yeah um you know that's that's again yep i'm going to allow that okay okay grievance number whatever two when he's in the safe room i knew it was going to be this because it's my he's been torturing them he's pretended to cut off the thumb or something of their son and then like ha ha we now have po now you must do what we said and then to which i would have responded i refer you to the earlier torture and the knife i am currently holding let her go now or you're going to have trouble you know pleasuring yourself in future because you'll have no fingers uh you know it's just like it's like he had all the cards and he'd established threat and motive and a willingness to do these awful things, they'd have done anything he asked.

18:29There was absolutely no need for that whole exchange and I didn't buy it for one second. Yeah, again, I'm going to give that to you. I mean, I would say all of these grievances, none of it takes away from the enjoyment because there is an inherent ridiculousness to this kind of show that is necessary. Yeah, of course. But yeah, I mean, I didn't love that whole safe room scene. like just the whole i just i never really buy the fact that just using that kind of tape can really restrain people because it just didn't do you know in your experience of restraining people you found that it actually doesn't hold yeah i get it i don't know i just think when you go back to the prison and he's restrained i can't remember the name of uh the the the prisoner guy something beginning with f oh you're mad estavar no no hang on no estavar is the guy he tortures in the safe room you're thinking faraz faraz right so yeah when you know when he ties up faraz and it's like It's quite a lengthy process for him to have tied up all of the family on his own and just all of that kind of stuff.

19:29I don't know. And then when they're trying to get the little boy to just get his head on the button to release it, it's like, oh, come on. You could have moved yourself. There was nothing showing you that they were tied to not being able to move themselves. and I suppose you know at the times when he's he's sort of loses consciousness the other part is he just always regains consciousness just at the exact moment when so which again is part of the inherent ridiculous that doesn't take away from the enjoyment and is necessary to move the story along but is also a bit like oh come on I think it's it's one of those things like as a classic trope is like if you have a super powered person they will always lose their powers at the least convenient moment or something will happen to give you tension, to give you threat and drama.

20:18Here, he always has a panic attack at the worst possible moment and then falls and bangs his head. And you're just like, look, I'm not casting aspersions on people with PTSD and panic attacks and all these various things. But equally, it was so ridiculously convenient whenever it happened. But I rolled my eyes quite heavily at that as well. There were a few moments like that. Another point, I wonder if you think this as well. It sounds like we're ripping this to show. We actually really like the show. We love it. It's absolutely brilliant. But it is just funny to point these things out. I couldn't quite understand why.

20:56You know the Russian guy who helped him and he's kind of like one of his fixers. Yeah, Ivan. Sorry, I don't know why I can't remember his name. It doesn't quite become clear why Ivan would put himself in such mortal danger. You know, like such extreme mortal danger. For what? because it's not clear like if he's getting paid for it or like why he would just out of nowhere just decide it feels like he's an old pal of creases but also there's money involved but also he seems like some kind of adrenaline junkie because he only really likes things if they're exciting so yeah it's a bit woolly why ivan is is quite as involved as he is that's that's not really very clear and also the other thing about ivan okay is that i fail to believe he's kind of got this bolt hole which is this beautiful villa which is oh my god like whoa real estate porn central it's insane and it's all glass and it's gorgeous and it it i why would you not have your own security there do you know like what like you're using this as kind of a safe house like you've got clearly on the dodge yeah you're on the dodge like i just don't believe you wouldn't have your own bodyguards so when tappan comes with his crew there is literally nothing to stop him she's just wandering out the shower blow drying her hair yeah and and then also how they suddenly managed to escape and then tappan doesn't doesn't find them the two girls they escape on a motorbike you're like that so they've managed right because they were one room away from them yeah she just left her the decoy was leaving her hair dryer on right so she left her head around and they managed to not only grab their belongings find helmets find a motorbike which we'd never seen before and get down the mountain and they were quite a considerable way down the mountain before some more of tappan's people came yeah they're not the most competent it was a ridiculous timeline it's just not yeah i mean if we're talking ridiculous like i mean let's talk about the poison tapes which they just touch which doesn't really hurt them but puts them into like a like a like a like a i don't like a what do they call it like a plastic isolation cylinder thing and they go to the hospital so they can grab them it is the most flawed improbable plan only only superseded perhaps by them pretending to be the bomb squad when they go into the prison i was like do they really have no security i don't know carry on yeah and then for some ungodly reason Poe decides whilst Tappan the man that she knows is after her and wants her dead when he's in the clear chamber she decides to take off her mask and say fuck you I mean it's just not worth it Poe but isn't that part of the plan as I remember it the plan is for whatever reason that she if I recall I may be getting woolly on this but I think the idea is she's supposed to let him see her because oh is it I don't remember that Because that gets security chasing her.

23:52Then she runs and then she hides. And that draws off security so that Creasy can take them out. I mean, it is a fucking stupid plan. But I believe that is the plan. But the whole thing hinges on, and genuinely, and again, Carl Killen, I really enjoyed the show. Don't take any of this personally. I want to talk about Chekhov's elbow. So there is a bit where Creasy's like, oh, yeah, I don't really want to hang out with you guys because I've got PTSD. And I don't want to get close to people. And I have real emotional connection issues. and she's like oh but dude maybe you could hang out with us and we'll have fun and we'll do karaoke or something it's like oh i'll tell you what you know because i'm really masculine instead of doing that why don't i like teach you all a bit of self-defense and that's how i'm gonna bond with you and i'm gonna act like i'm teaching you but really i just want to be around you because i really like people and i want to bond and he teaches them all this one move this elbows and you're like huh i wonder if that's going to be important to the plot at any point oh my god yeah this the slow the slow-mo martial arts teaching it goes back to like dinner music where they've all made a lovely meal and you know they don't they seem they're not worried at all about being in this hotel which they're they're going to be imminently found you know they're going to be found imminently and that they're having this kind of last supper yeah i i know what you mean it's it's deeply silly and then there's the fact that creasy gets literally shot in the chest but shrugs it off and is back the next week it's fine do you know what if jack reacher can stop a bullet with his literal pectoral muscle and i'm saying that john creasy does not need to worry about being shot in the chest.

25:17Well, I was waiting for the part where the, you know, the coin that she has, the coin that was somehow going to save his life. She left under the bed and nearly got them killed. Yes. Yeah. I was like, and the thing is when he says, when they're trying to escape and she says, I've forgotten something, is it important? And also, if it was under the bed, like, that's just stupid. Like, she wouldn't have known it was under the bed. If she forgot it, she wouldn't. She'd be on the bedside table or somewhere she deliberately left it. She wouldn't think, I wonder where I accidentally dropped this. like yeah and then she reaches under that's again you know yes so there's a few there's a few plot points a bit a few little ones all of the i mean the business card as well the fact that he just randomly drops a business card it's just again it feels like the plotting at times in this i'm so sorry carl killen the plotting is a little bit tenuous just like oh we need a way for them to i know what if he has a business card and he just drops it on the floor of a random bodega why don't we have that yeah okay let's do that um i wouldn't have done that i would also say at the very beginning when creasy applies for the job and you see like sores or whatever his name is he could turn him down for the job and then you see that that guy is of course the president's like who his hood his enforcer his right hand thomas of reno's character right yeah yeah so you see him and you're just like hmm i wonder if you're i don't know behind the whole thing and it's so obvious from the beginning because he's so again light scoop man he's so fucking shifty and it's totally telegraphed so genuinely at no point did i believe it was for us like it was always clearly the president and i just feel a little bit like that in it like had this been more should we look there's nothing about this is subtle let's not pretend it's subtle but if it was more subtly plotted that would have been a proper reveal as opposed to an inevitability which is what I felt it was.

27:02But do you remember when we first reviewed this and we talked about the fact that you need some plot points that people are going to, they know how it's going to go. Yeah. And they want to be able to see it coming. Exactly. And I think, yes, you're totally right. You know immediately that he's a baddie. You know that he's duplicitous. You're 100%. But again, I don't think that was his thread. I think his thread was how far will he go to remain concealed that for me was his journey in this like and he goes far obviously he's a he's horrendous and how deep is he in it you know so even though i don't think it's necessarily a problem that you immediately understand that he's on the wrong side it's that he's it's how he develops and how because he goes completely crazy doesn't he He completely loses his mind, that guy.

27:53But I think for me, even though, yeah, that was obvious again, it didn't. Like nothing, let's just say nothing that was obvious about this takes away from the enjoyment of this show. It's absolutely brilliant. Yeah. No, I agree with you. I think despite my Chex Notes long list of grievances, I had a really good time with it, you know, and all of that. And I thought when Creasy finally takes out Tappin, oh, the scalpel to the femoral artery, that was, oh, ah. ah that was horrible yeah but again you knew that was going to happen because you they hone in they you know there's you know they hone in on the scalpel and you're like well obviously he's going to do he's going to do the thigh and you know and you know again that's a bit of a trope yeah but even though you know that's going to happen seeing him on the floor with the blood the arterial blood squirting out yeah well it but you're like it still enjoyed it you know i mean it's still something amazing about rubbing her hands but you know him getting his comeuppance yeah that's true you do you want bad things to happen to him so yeah i uh that scene i i quite enjoyed that scene because i like scoop miniris talked about how yeah yeah i did training in krav maga because you know i thought you know because i'm smaller than yaya like i had to like i had to make it look like i was like mate with the best will in the world you were always getting killed and it wasn't even close but i love the bit that that clearly cognizant of that on one level he's playing like keep away behind a table like crees is trying to get around and he's like and he's just keeping the table between them i was like yeah you stay there and keep it up because that's the only way you're staying alive i found that quite fun and that was genuinely quite believable yeah i do you know one thing that they didn't have which i would have liked is they didn't have any kind of dialogue between tappan and creesie where creesie says anything to him about the fact that you know aren't we supposed to be mates yeah he doesn't say and there's never that confrontation i suppose you know as it's all revealed to him um in the prison basement i suppose at that point there's no question but i would have liked to see that dialogue because i would have liked to see tap and try and weasel his way out of it some way and then say no no no you know you've got this all wrong but that you know that's again really nitpicky yeah but i know it's some those are quite cathartic but uh i don't think i missed it too much but i i you know like i say i i've been slagging this off for like half an hour now but i really really enjoyed the show and one thing we haven't talked about which is vico the reformed gangster uh and vico i like because obviously when you meet vico he's just being a bully to livro and you think oh you're the bad guy but i like the fact that it it switches it turns out it's actually his brother who's the massive abusive dick yeah yeah and actually vico even though he's brought up in a favela and he's kind of very machismo and all of this he's actually a halfway decent guy i thought that was that was actually quite sweet little subplot.

30:40When he reveals, again, I really love that whole thing and the Beto, Vico, Livro, save Livro at all costs. I was really, I said, I said to Liam, like when I was on episode three, I was like, can you just tell me now? Cause I need to know, does Livro die? And he was like, I'm not going to tell you. It's like, cause if he dies, I'm not watching any more of it. Cause I couldn't take it. Cause he was such a sweetie. But yeah, Vico, when he reveals to Livro and he says, do you remember my sister? and he's you know his sister obviously you don't find out what happened to her obviously she had some terrible demise but he and he says i'm not going to make that same mistake again and obviously he's amazingly handy at doing things and when there's um there's a scene where he they realize that they've they've set up this uh they've set up this break-in and he says we haven't dropped the breadcrumbs and he surrenders himself to them which didn't need to god carry on didn't need to did not need to puts his hands up and the way he handles that and you obviously he knows he's really fucking good at this kind of thing but he wants to be on the right side of the you know he wants to be on the right side of it he wants to use all of his incredible talents to be on the right side and I love what happens to the end that they get they get jobs on that yeah they're all working for Ivan yeah but it's such it's such a great because obviously they're not going to you know you obviously fear that at some point you know Beto's going to find them you know the scene where he goes he gets in the safe and he steals on the money you're like well you know your card's marked mate you're going to you're going to eventually be killed they're going to find you but they're not now because they're on a cruise ship of sorts and it's all going to be fine and even that's insane but brilliant yeah they got to go on a cruise yeah amazing what a lovely way to end yes so despite the long lists of grievances on both our parts we really enjoyed this and we're looking forward to season 2 yeah oh season 2's going to be so good.

32:35I really hope they bring back, I don't know how they do it, but I'd love to see you know, I love it when they assemble crews. I'd love to see... You want Livro back again don't you? I want Livro and Vico back. Just Vico actually, I really loved him. Well Livro, you know, he's got time to bone up and also he reads a lot. So he could develop a very particular set of skills between season 1 and 2. I would love that. And return with, you know, game. Yes. We'll wait and see. Well, that is it for our spoiler chat for Man on Fire. We hope you enjoyed it. We will have more of these coming up. Please don't ask me what, but there will be many, many wonderful spoiler chats to entertain and amuse you going forward.

33:11Until that time, pilot's out.