PLUS Dutton Ranch

0:07Welcome to Pilot Plus, your extended guide to every show that matters. And yes, yes, we are back in the Yellowstone-iverse for Dutton Ranch, which lands this week on Paramount+. Now, Dutton Ranch is the fifth, fifth series in the Yellowstone franchise, which handily leads us into something that I haven't told you guys about, which is the Yellowstone quiz, which we are going to begin now. So, to win a bar of chocolate, which one of you can name the other four Yellowstone shows? Um, right. Without making a single mistake. Mad Marshalls. Yes. Oh, God. What is it called? 19... Oh, got to get the date right.

0:49No. It's the one with the date. 1923? Yes, correct. 1923. And there's two with a date. Okay. Then Yellowstone... And then it's... The other one's called Yellowstone. And it's another date. And it's an 18... Oh, 18 what? Yellowstone. 18... Give it a pun. oh yes two no oh god damn it it was one year off it's Yellowstone 1883 ah okay and there's one more if you don't get this one you are immediately ejected from the podcast uh Landman no it's Yellowstone oh Landman is not it's not it's not is it now I heard you say Steph you said Madison I heard you say Madison now Boydie I did say that I know you think the Madison is part of the Yellowstone universe and I know you've always maintained this terrible I cannot advise enough, Boyd, it is not part of the Yellowstone universe, and you need to get that into your head.

1:44But, Boyd, that's something you really just don't want to get wrong. Listeners, James is being ironical, because he fucked up his knowledge of the ongoing spin-offs. Now, Boyd, the quiz has not ended, because to win double the points that Steph just earned, which are points, name for me the two yellowstone spinoffs currently in development oh i uh 1944 oh my god he's absolutely right which is a sequel to 1933 oh my god you are on this it's almost like you've got something like wikipedia open in front of you you absolute because i can see your eyeline oh my god i did that with just my brain with just my memory oh my god boy i'm sorry i had it open on my screen anyway for reasons of research so But the funny thing is, 1944 is in production, and there's one brilliantly called 6666.

2:39Yes, the 4-6s, it's called. Oh, is that an Alamo one? It's based on the 4-6s ranch, which appeared in Yellowstone Seasons 4 and 5. Yeah. Okay, right, we pivot now to round two. Ready? How many, without looking, boy, I can literally see your eyeline. Do not check IMDb, do not check Wikipedia, I will know. Can I just say, I'm showing my hands. I'm showing my hands to know you. Okay, one doesn't browse with one's hands, one browses with one's eyes, but it's fine, it's fine. I trust you. Yes, but I'd have to, listen, listen, I'd have to tap, wouldn't I have to tappy-tappy? Yes, yes. Okay. Show me your hands, Boyd.

3:13Show me your hands. Everyone is holding their hands out like they're being arrested. Right. How many non-Yellowstone TV shows written by Taylor Sheridan can you name? Boyd. Not many. No, the one we were just talking about, what was the one we were just talking about? Landman. Landman. Landman. Thank you. Yes, you can have the Madison, but Landman? I can't remember. You're testing the memories of a senile old man here. I am. All right, Steph, would you like to step in for double points? Oh, God, I would. We've had Landman. We've had the Madison. Just anything you've ever seen that's got cowboys in it in the last 10 years.

3:48Well, one of them is literally called The Last Cowboy, but you can have that one. There's another potential three I would give you points for. I don't know. Do you know what? I looked all this up yesterday, and I literally can't remember. Mayor of Kingstown. Mayor of Kingstown. Tulsa King. Tulsa King. Yes, sorry, Tulsa King. Because I love Tulsa King. One more. It's got a colon in it. Tulsa King. And I'm going to kick myself because I know it. Special Ops Lioness. Yes, that is the correct answer. Right, look. Is that the Zoe Saldana one? Oh, no, that's something else. Yes, that's correct. You have brought disgrace upon yourselves and the houses of Sealand and Hilton respectively, but you can still claw back some honour.

4:26name for me the five films well that's actually about six i'll say you only need to name me five name me five of the films that he's written oh you don't have to name all six helen highwater correct and some others the oscar nominated one what was that one if you get one you should get the other one because they're connected he did a film and its sequel oh yeah um denise vilnav directed it come on sicario sicario and the sequel was called sicario to more sicario no no it wasn't it was come on i'm afraid your time is out it was well actually you i would have accepted soldado i believe it's now officially known as sicario colon day of the soldado which is a mouthful there's another one feels a bit naturey wind river water in it it's got water in it that's so annoying i would also have accepted those who wish me dead as a film but there's another one Don't You Wish You Dead, that's what I was thinking of, yeah.

5:20That's the final one. TV movie, you would not think that he'd written it, but he has. Oh, I want to know what this one is. Michael B. Jordan's in it. Michael B. Jordan's in a TV movie written by Taylor Sheridan? It's very Tom Clancy, without remorse, which I saw a night, but a lot of people wouldn't have seen it. All those things merge into one, yeah. Okay, now Steph, Steph, I need you to lock in. I need you to absolutely lock in for this next one. Okay, I'm locking in. we all you and I in particular first new Taylor Sheridan not for Sicario not for Yellowstone but for one of his acting roles yes he played a character on a long running TV show for two points name for me one the show and two the name of the character I can't remember his name but it's Sons of Anarchy it was Sons of Anarchy and he played Deputy Hale yes it Hale Deputy Hale except it turns out Taylor Sheridan hated acting and so he stopped doing it here's a couple of facts for you just to round off the Taylor Sheridan quiz.

6:16He played Jareb, who was a Trianon religious zealot who was involved in taking over the Enterprise in season three, episode 12 of Star Trek Enterprise, Chosen Realm. He was also a recurring role on Veronica Mars. I know, I was going to say Veronica Mars. Yeah, as Danny Boyd, who was the cousin of one of the Fitzpatricks, Liam Fitzpatrick, I think, the head of the Fighting Fitzpatricks crime family. So there you go. I hope you've all learned a little bit more about Taylor Sheridan from that. But the irony of doing a big Taylor Sheridan quiz is that Taylor Sheridan has precisely fuck all to do with Dutton Ranch because he didn't write it and he's not the showrunner.

6:53Even though it is not only a spinoff of Yellowstone, but a direct sequel to Yellowstone. This show is created by Chad Fian, who ironically is also no longer connected to this show because he had a massive falling out with everyone and has since left. But he is still credited with the creator and showrunner, even though he is currently not the showrunner. taylor sheridan is an executive producer i don't know if that's an honorary role i don't know if he actually had anything to do with this but to the best of my knowledge he's not written any of it uh but anyway anyway anyway this is a direct sequel to the end of yellowstone uh and it's kind of to a certain extent it's almost like it exists in place of what would have been a a sixth season of yellowstone uh kelly reilly returns as beth dutton and cole hauser returns as the excellently named rip wheeler and let me tell you if i ever take on a kind of non-deplume for doing podcasts and rip wheeler is definitely in contention uh also everyone's for annette benning is in this ed harris is in this loads of jai courtney of course jai courtney's in it and guess what he plays a bellend who knew um but but but steph you have not seen yellowstone i have not seen yellowstone boyd has not seen yellowstone so in many ways we are ill-equipped to judge this as a continuation of yellowstone's legacy so let's just judge it as an entity in its own right tell us what you thought of dunranch okay i would just say i it's not technically true that i haven't i would say because i have watched it kind of vicariously because um members of my household i am is obsessed with yellowstone can i just on a technicality point out that much as i would like to believe it's true you cannot watch things vicariously living with a person who has watched a thing does not mean you've watched a thing point about it being is that i you know when someone's watching something in your house and you kind of walk past you go oh what's what's happening there and is that a horse no what's happening so i kind of know loosely what you know what what happened and you know it caught my eye so it's not technically sure that i haven't seen any of it so i have seen something because i really like kelly reilly however i am by no means an expert and i did not watch the six seasons like people you know like everybody else did and absolutely loved and what i would say is i started watching this i got to the second episode and there's a long list of spoilers that we're not gonna we're not gonna give away anything but we definitely will need to do a spoiler special on this and i turned to you might be doing that on your own but i was gonna say yeah i don't want to be uh right solo spoiler special that's fine yeah steph's monologue hold on a minute hold on a minute because right so in episode two rip perhaps one of the greatest tv characters of all time yes does something does something which i was like why would he do this and i turned to liam and i was like can i ask you a question like what's what's the deal with rip like he's just done saying why would he do this and I'm not joking that with incandescent rage right Liam turned to me and he went you will never understand Rip and I was like what what and he was like Rip is not a man that can be known and I was like okay okay I'm just wondering why he did this thing because it just seems a bit stupid and he was like I and he actually I cannot talk to you about this because you have made no investment in Yellowstone so you don't deserve to be watching this.

10:17I was like okay so I just want to acknowledge that it might be slightly annoying for people that we haven't committed to watching Yellowstone and yet we're reviewing something but what I would say is this my god this show is so addictive we were given four episodes right as you know I make I make mention of it a lot that I'm quite time poor. I watched all four yesterday because I could not stop watching it because here are the reasons i couldn't stop watching it right kelly riley as beth yeah wow she's fantastic mvp of yellowstone in many people's eyes oh my god not only is right no this is not important but she is goddamn sexy she's a sexy formidable powerful woman and she is the only person that really can keep rip you know like contained and she oh i love the whole dynamic of their marriage.

11:08Kelly Riley is from Chessington. Yes. Recently interviewed by me on this very podcast, let's not forget, for her role in Undersault Marsh. Yes. Which she was incredible. I've seen the charisma in action from a mere couple of feet away. I watched an interview with her because the thing about this is, my God, she's so hot and powerful and brilliant in this role. And the Beads of Sweat, she was saying that it was, they filmed in Texas. This is a Texas production. And she was saying it was 104 degrees every day. She'd never experienced anything like it. So when you're seeing these sweaty, when they're getting up in the night and saying, oh my God, it's so hot here because they've become displaced.

11:49So we should just say, this isn't a spoiler. They're in Montana and something happens and they get displaced and then they buy a ranch in Texas. And that is the beginning of, that then becomes Dutton Ranch. She's incredible. Annette Bening as this, again, formidable matriarch of a rival ranch. then ed harris pops up you're like as a vet as a vet ever at the vet and as his story unravels you've got warring brothers you've got the ranchman warring you you've got the kind of um wet son who's becoming carter who might be becoming slightly wayward don't want to give too much away but for me kelly riley is a force to be reckoned with and is so i just couldn't take my eyes off her I could not take my eyes and the storylines absolutely again we can't give too much away we've got a massive long list of things not to give but there's lots from what I understand from discussing with my husband who's really annoyed with me about this um when I've given him a few plot points he's like yeah that's totally in character that's what they do like um and I said Kelly Riley's amazing and he went his words were she's the fucking boss that's what he to me I was like yes she definitely is yeah watched all four the opening sequence the other thing about this which I really loved and James if you don't love this I'm going to be quite confused I the opening uh the opening credit sequence is is magnetic and exciting and obviously the use of light is beautiful and you want to be there because it looks so it looks warm and wonderful and amazing to live outside and they do all this camping and everything is great until it's not great and when it's not great it's really not great um but it's kind of like game of thrones except it's like game of ranches do you know what i mean it's like yeah and i think that's also god i'm well into this i'm so yeah i'm i'm i'm yellowstone-averse now and i am i am 100 i'm going to go back and i'm going to watch yellowstone from the beginning and then I'm going to do spoiler special on my own because I loved, loved, loved it.

14:00I think I'm completely, completely converted. Well, it's amazing. So this weekend you're going to watch all 53 episodes of Yellowstone, I presume. Yeah, that's what's going to happen. I don't want to get into it too much because I want to talk about it on the main podcast, but I'm in the midst of a really upsetting tonal shift on Ted Lasso and I just don't know if I can continue, but we'll get into that at another point. We'll get into that on the main pod. Boydy, were you as lassoed by this cowboy show as Steph was? Not quite, no. Boys review. Yeah. I mean, I have watched episodes of Yellowstone, by the way.

14:34I'm not a complete Yellowstone. See, you like me. I've seen the first episode. I've never watched past the first one. Yeah, I think I've seen the first episode of about three or four of the seasons. Oh, yeah, that's true. I watched 1883 all the way through. I've seen all of 1883. Oh, yeah, you like 1883. Yeah, I really liked it. It's kind of a standalone prequel thing, so you don't need to have seen any rest of it for that. Right, yeah. I mean, well, I've said this before, and I apologise. I mean, I think the last time I said it was probably about five years ago, but his films, in the quiz, in your brilliant impromptu Taylor Sheridan-based quiz, his films are outstanding.

15:09Like, Hell in High Water is brilliant. It's an absolutely brilliant film. Yes, Sicario is a fucking masterpiece. It's legendary. It's a masterpiece. his script writing on those films is key to their success and their brilliance and they're kind of densely layered quite complex morally ambiguous films that are just wonderful and then you get i know he hasn't he's not directly involved in this but this definitely has the sheridan tv kind of tone to it which is i'm going to use the word slightly apologetically soapy to the max like you know how they say sometimes with soaps that slightly unfairly but it's a thing that's been said a lot with soaps is that um the writing there's no subtext everyone says what they think you know about stuff on the surface and there's no attempt to you know like have them have complex thoughts beneath what they're saying they just they just say what they what they see say what they think all times and i think i feel like taylor sherry's tv work does the same thing like Everyone's running around being quite one-dimensional, aren't they?

16:14I mean, and the other thing people say about soapbox provisions and stuff, oh, you know, there's one-dimensional, they're not complex, there's not good and bad, and then you see Jai Courtney arriving in full-on, utter C-word mode. It's not the subtlest performance. It's not the subtlest of introductions to the character. he is an absolute c-u-n-t and it's fun watching him having a good time you know this is the man who did this shark-based um serial thriller serial killer film yes dangerous animals amazing australian shark serial killer absolutely classic film um so he's like having the time of his life he loves this stuff he loves this shit um then you've got um annette benning being very good i I mean, the stars they managed to attract to these shows is also extraordinary, isn't it?

17:09Like, you know, Helen Mirren. Yeah, but you know what? Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford. Yeah, but you know what? I listened to Michelle Pfeiffer talk about why she did the Madison. Which, Boyd, just to be clear, is not part of the Amazonian universe. Don't make that mistake again. No. and she said that she called she was offered this and she called Helen Mirren who she respects obviously like everybody does and Helen Mirren said a Taylor Sheridan set was the happiest she'd ever been and it was the best set she'd ever been on in her career and that is why Michelle Pfeiffer signed up for the Madison interesting I imagine as well $2 million per episode yeah I mean I don't imagine that hurt no it was absolutely because Helen Mirren told her to thank you very much which is interesting because let's just say there have been, you know, if one reads the interviews of people who are on television shows, he is not, by all accounts, the easiest person to work with, even if he is, you know, master cost of genius, clearly.

18:09But there you go. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, back to Dunroth. So, yeah, you've got these, like, absolutely one-dimensional characters being played by really good A-list actors. And, of course, as you say quite rightly, Steph, I don't know why you're looking so askance. Because I don't think they're one-dimensional. what you think they're more than one dimensional really i think there's a lot more to rip i think there's a lot more to beth i think annette benning's character right let's just say i've watched four of these i think there's a lot more to these characters than you are what you're saying stephanie we can't possibly judge having not seen four as one of my favorite things to say i happily admit i've only seen one i shall not be watching more but is this is this widow's bay mark ii is that where we're at oh oh do you know what i've checked my watch and it is absolutely time for a reverse vote from you on Widow's Bay because the people are coming for you.

19:00We'll get onto that once we open the post bag. The people on the ground. No, no, no. I enjoyed it. Let me just say right here on the record, I enjoyed it. And you're right, Kelly Riley is the absolute MVP of the show and she is incredible. She's got this like, without wanting to sound too creepy, she's got this sultry thing going on, hasn't she? She's hot as hell. She's hot as hell. She's almost like a Marilyn Monroe quality to her. You know, when Marilyn Monroe Misfits, one of her late films she did, which has kind of had a Western vibe to it. Not the Young Offenders superhero TV series from the rest of your British television, which Marilyn Monroe, and I cannot emphasize this enough, was not in.

19:42That was Robert Sheehan. Exactly. But so she brings in absolute... Whenever she's on screen, the whole thing kind of lightens up. lights up um and i love seeing ed harris i love ed harris you know he's like mr soulful as a vet indeed i was just a soulful vibey guy isn't he and he's like oozing authenticity and stuff but it is it is quite the story to the storytelling is so like full-on straightforward but actually quite addictive that's what i wanted you to say it is addictive yeah it is addictive but it's not so addictive that I'm going to devote much more of my time to this particular show. Well, I don't, I don't, I don't understand why, why?

20:27I think it's so addictive and it, and I think the other thing is I totally disagree with you. I think there is so much more to it. I think there's so much more to these characters. Um, the only issue I had with it is as a vegetarian, I wasn't so into the, it's very beefy, literally beefy. It's a lot of me. I mean, you know, Boyd was only semi-offended because he's a part-time vegetarian, so it's fine. Yeah. But apart from that, I just have such admiration for the scenes of the cattle rustling. Like I said, the vistas are beautiful. All of it, I think, I just can't. Go on. Do you know what? It's absolutely beautifully filmed.

21:01So much so, really, that it's stunning. Yeah, the backdrop, the landscape. almost like the show kind of stops sometimes, almost like for about 30 seconds, just to take in the spectacular scenery, which is an interesting creative choice in itself. But it looks stunning. It's beautifully filmed. It's got great people in it. I think it's just a personal thing. It doesn't draw me in. And I can see why the storytelling is addictive. And partly because it's so... full-on, as I say, you know, come on. I mean, should I call it Rob Will, by the way? He's called Rob Will with a hyphen. Why? Why is he called Rob Will with a hyphen?

21:46Rob Will what? I'm very confused. It's very confusing. And then he's going to Bueller, which I love. The names are brilliant, by the way. Bueller. Bueller. Bueller. But it's just not quite gripping me to the extent where I feel I need to carry on watching it. Yeah, it's just... There's also a line at the beginning. A thing happens at the very beginning, and one of them without any kind of irony or awareness shouts get carter immediately i was i don't know how you can shout that without immediately kind of winking at the camera right okay so i have seen as i said the first episode of yellow so we get criticism on this podcast a lot for our blind spots and the yellowstone of us is a big blind spot because yellowstone is a fucking phenomenon at one point it was described as succession for republicans i don't know if that is fair but needless to say it is hugely popular when i interviewed kate mulgrew captain catherine janeway she was honestly before the cameras rolled she kept telling me how obsessed she is with yellowstone i need to start watching yellowstone so i watched the first episode of yellowstone and my takeaway was this is brothers and sisters with cows so it's brothers and sisters is a great show i mean don't do it don't great just doing a lot of heavy lifting there brothers and sisters is a show that is that is part drama part soap opera and it has very soapy elements to it and i felt that there was a hint of the soapiness like i'm not saying it's dallas but there was a hint of the soapiness to yellowstone which is why i didn't go with it so i never pressed on what's the problem with that hold on a minute oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa they're ponies right what is the issue what is the problem with that even if you do which i don't because i'm a snooty snooty mcgooty elitist you know this well you're not allowed to do that because that's that because this is really entertaining i'm gonna let you carry on because it's your podcast if you expected me to start a binge watch of coronation street from episode one you're gonna be waiting a long time now this is not coronation street in any way shape or form but carry on carry on to be fair you're right you're right it's not as good as coronation street but oh whoa okay anyway anyway let's not get bogged down in the whole coronation street i watched this episode and i don't necessarily disagree with boydy in that it is it felt there was a lack to me of subtext and subtlety and nuance it was quite on the face of it it was quite direct it was very much you you know it is what it is it's on the it felt a bit surface level and you know if i want to watch a western i want open range you know i want there to be if possible somewhere on the ranch a multi-dimensional portal that takes you to another time like that's what i really want from my westerns open range may it rest in peace got cancelled anyway this doesn't have any of that but despite myself i was really sucked into it i mean i don't understand rip wheeler because really steph can anyone ever truly understand but i didn't know what was going on but i was invested in the reason why they relocate i don't know if that's on the list of spoilers but i'm going to assume it is so i'm not going to mention the reason why they relocate uh and the fact that she's immediately getting into it with annette benning as bueller anyone anyone uh bueller Jackson about like beef slaughtering and then there's this I mean the Jai Courtney thing is fucking stupid but again like it's quite it's quite addictively soapily compelling and I was really tempted at the end of this to watch the next episode there are only two reasons why I didn't and they are these one I've got too much else to watch for the podcast I haven't got time at the moment and two and more importantly it goes against that obsessive compulsive thing I have where I have to watch things from the beginning and I cannot in good conscience watch a sequel show without having watched the original because it's just upsetting 1883 was fine because it was a prequel so that was okay so long story short i like this i think it's good if you like yellowstone i suspect you will also like this but more importantly what this has made me do reluctantly and in a way that nothing else has compelled me to do it has made me agree with myself that i'm going to go back and start yellowstone again let's do it james let's do it together we're gonna do a yellowstone quest now just just to to manage expectations this is not going to become like a priority game of thrones binge watch where i'm watching five episodes a night but i am gonna try and watch a few episodes of yellowstone over the next week or so and just see how it feels i'm gonna see how it feels let's just try it on let's just try it on oh yeah i'm so happy has done what no other thing has done it has made me give yellowstone another the chance.

26:10I am so proud of you because you know what I think? You can be very snooty and that's fine because you're very clever. But I do think, I think sometimes, you know, we can't write things off because these are incredible. Look, the people have spoken. Everybody loves Yellowstone, right? It doesn't mean it's not enjoyable. This is really enjoyable. I know there's great storytelling in here and you two both love storytelling, right? Okay. And I do just totally disagree. I don't think these characters are one-dimensional but even if you do think these characters are one dimension it doesn't take away from how entertaining this show is i don't disagree with anything you said i said i liked it i liked it i enjoyed it i just i didn't enjoy it enough to go back and carry on to carry on watching i just it's just on priorities it's not mine yeah i'm going to stage an intervention do you know why because we've been talking about dutton raj for 28 minutes and at this point i'm gonna say everything we need to say about dutton raj has been said so let's put a pin let's put a pin in the ranch I'm being fascist yes let's put a pin in the ranch let's move on and we will revisit Yellowstone Steph when you and I have watched some episodes which will probably not be on Monday show because we're recording that tomorrow morning and we won't have time but after that the Yellowstone of us let's do it yeah okay you are the Rob Will of this podcast I am the Rob Will of this podcast fantastic no Rob Will will be happy let us move on to the post bag

27:48now now now we mentioned widow's bay and as we were saying when i was saying giving yellowstone a chance it's like it's no widow's bay i'm definitely not giving widow's bay another chance however we have been inundated is a strong word but we've certainly had a number of people who are, shall we say, put out. I reference you to my WhatsApp messages. Friend of the pod, fellow podcaster, Kobe Omenaka, sent me a message this morning saying, James, please, please, please, please, please. Actually, he said, please say you've released the B video somewhere. No, I haven't. I'm so sorry. The cameras were down in the studio again this week.

28:22Otherwise, I would have cut it into the recording, but I didn't do that. But, but he said, if I have time today, I'm going to write a quite stern email for the postbag, imploring you all to watch and give Widows Bay another good look. I know Steph has, but I feel it's one of this year's gems that people are overlooking. And if they're overlooking it, it's partly the fault of you two and you should totally reverse for it because it's brilliant. In many ways, partly the fault of Matthew Rhys and indeed the people who made the show. But before we continue, before we continue, Andre wishes to say this.

28:56I'm watching Widows Bay. I agree with Steph. and the majority of people that willows bay has had a great start it's got good characterization great acting loads of laughs it's made by a parks and rec writer which is why the workplace bit feels good to me and some very creepy scary bits so far and more eps to come from ty west and andrew de young who directed most of the chair company and a severance director and this show really feels like a mix of good bits of all these shows throw in the midnight mass type setting jaws callbacks shining references i genuinely don't know what's not to like about this show it's gotten better every episode boyd said that it's still that it that it's still got some quite negative reviews out there uh verbatim apparently that's literally what you said boydy uh now andre has checked metacritic and says there are literally no negative reviews whatsoever andre says there are 20 positive reviews and four mixed reviews literally no negative ones It averages 77 on Metacritic.

29:57Hijacked Season 2, however, which is, as he says, way worse in terms of quality, wasn't talked about in this way, and it has worse reviews and lower scores. So why even mention reviews in this way? It's fine just to say you didn't like it, Boyd. Anyway, that is Andre's bone picked quite thoroughly. Boyd, we seem to be on the wrong side of history here. I've already said I'm going to. I'm coming on watching it, yeah. I'll address the point fully Have you watched any more? I've watched some more Yeah You're going to talk about this on Monday aren't you? Yeah I'm going to talk about it on the next podcast We'll save that till Monday I just want to say If people didn't listen to that particular podcast Boydie and James were both Absolutely scathing about it And obviously were completely wrong Because it's really funny And also the thing that was surprising About your negative reviews about it was that andre's quite right it is like a pick a mix of loads of fantastic shows and also boyd i really really the big thing that i took on bridge with against you was that matthew reese's character has so many echoes of kind of a larry david s character that i just did not understand why i didn't like them but maybe you'll rectify that and and and return to my good graces well we'll find out on monday luckily for me i don't need to give widows bay another chance because I am now going to be watching Yellowstone.

31:23Oh, nice get out. There we go. There we go. I've chosen my path. I cannot be diverted. Right. This is from Amar, and it's aimed, well, I'm going to assume slightly at Steph. Oh, God. He hates scousers, as the song goes. That's all you really need to know about the man, but I'll share some more. Graduate of the legendary class of 92. Six-time Premier League champion. Three-time FA Cup winner. Three-time League Cup winner. Two-time Champions League winner. Two more than the whole of Arsenal FC. 85 England Caps former captain of Manchester United brother of Phil since retiring he's become one of the best pundits has a huge YouTube presence with the overlap and stick to football as well as being a hotelier in Manchester and with all that I've still never heard anyone say the words I love Gary Neville it's always a case of yes he's excellent but insert strong opinion he's given and annoyed people with here but great to hear this rarely said out loud opinion on one of the great right backs in Europe.

32:23Don't do it, Boyd. I don't know what that bit means. Amar's literally listed all the reasons why more people should be shouting from the rooftops, they love Gary Neville. But yeah, sorry, Boyd, to your point, go on. I just have four words in response to your obsession with Gary Neville, which is he's no Jamie Carragher, is all I would say. I don't know what these words mean. Okay. All right. Look, I like Jamie Carragher, but he doesn't have one ounce of the charisma that Gary Neville does. One ounce? Not one ounce. Not an ounce. Yeah. Extraordinary. Incredible claims. I mean, I do love Micah Richards as well, but, you know, Gary Neville is, yeah.

33:03I feel like we've turned into footballistically Arsenal at this point. Yeah, we have. Yeah, no, it's hilarious your obsession with Gary Neville. Oh, I love it. I am actually obsessed with him. I really hope I meet him one day. Well, we'll see if we can get him on the podcast. If only so I can ask him who he is. Right, let's move on to a message here from Steve. And Steve says, further solidarity with your writer Dave about HBO Max content not being available on their platform. Australia got HBO Max about a year earlier than the UK and we had the same issues. The answer they gave me was content that was continuing was still under contract at the existing provider john oliver is still not on there as for apps to find content for any of your australian listeners i find flicks is the best option though i still keep my own spreadsheet from steve founder of flicks now that's not true he had i'm sure nothing to do with flicks but anyway apparently that's a useful thing if you are in australia but yes the ongoing uh rubik's cube of what is and isn't available on hbo max seems to be uh troubling people around the globe oh it's so annoying i think we said this boy god it's so annoying when things aren't they should just don't just don't launch the streaming service until you're ready to give the people what they want don't you think just don't just don't do a half-assed effort so people are having to fish around try and find and do that thing on your phone where you're like where can i watch this it's so irritating i'm with you guys i'm with you we have had a message from kate and this dropped into my inbox as we're doing this which means i'm because i'm looking at the the pilot tv post bag it dropped into the post bag as we're recording now that means i have yet to screen it so it has not gone through the highly highly scientific triage system oh don't read it then because it might be horrible it might be it could be i hate steph it's good no it's not uh i'm gonna go in i'm gonna risk it we should live on the edge we should embrace adrenaline i'm gonna go into this sight unseen kate don't fail me okay hello fave podcast crew of all time that's a good as a long time plusser i'm sharing with you a selection of random feedback and questions that you didn't ask for and may not care for but i'm sending nonetheless number one job share feedback i am loving the job share i was worried about bantz levels with k stepping back but steph is more than happy to call the boys out for being total bellends and so i am relieved and loving steph's presence but then equally love when k suddenly pops back up again but when will we get the pure chaos and abuse that will come from all four of you being present on the same pod It might be like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters.

35:34I think maybe that way madness lies. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Number two, pod competition. I have listened to every episode of the, in inverted commas, other podcast. I love it, but can I just say you guys deserve to be so much bigger. Thank you very much. I don't really think you're in competition with each other. You offer complimentary, but ultimately different content. and I think fans of T-R-I-E, brackets, fam, lols, I believe that was aimed at you, Steph. A little bit of acronym humour. Would love PilotPod. So the question is, Boyd, you seemingly know and are friends with everyone.

36:11Why don't you ask Richard Osman to throw you guys a bone and reference you on the pod? Yeah, Boyd, why haven't you done that? Oh my God, what a thought. Why haven't I done that? I saw him at the BAFTAs, actually. Of course you did. Yeah. I think he vaguely recognised me, because I haven't met him at the BAFTAs. He was just like, who are you? Everybody recognises you, Boyd. If you walk down the street with Boyd, if you walk anywhere with Boyd, at least one or two famous people you'll come across, especially in our building, and they always love Boyd, obviously. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's a slight exaggeration.

36:40Of course they do. No. But it'd be very funny. I'm not sure if Marina particularly, I think Richard Austin would happily mention us. I'm not sure if Marina would, because for reasons. Why? Anyway. Oh, you know, I work for Heat magazine. It's one of her big... Oh, she doesn't like Heat. Well, we both like the Heat magazine. Oh, is she? Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. All right. Yeah, oh, yeah. Even though she worked at Sun for years, but anyway. That is true. Okay, number three, a correction. I'm going to... This is kind of partly my fault, partly your fault, Steph. The other week, someone wrote in about a high-profile criminal who recently died, but their crimes were so awful, they wondered whether they would ever be dramatised.

37:18And you all assumed that it was the recently deceased Ian Huntley. but James stated the email came in a few weeks back presumably before Huntley's death so I actually think they were referring to Ian Watkins which if you have never read the court transcript I can tell you his crimes and behavior is so so much worse than what is reported in the mainstream media presumably for the same reason the reader was pointing out that it is just too awful and I cannot see how it could possibly be dramatized. Steph you are a wrongan expert do you feel this to be true without giving us details that I absolutely don't want to hear?

37:49I can tell you I I will never tell you the details of his crime. And I do know, cause I have read those court transcripts and I, we have not covered him in crime monthly because there are some things that cannot be written down and what he did cannot. And yeah, I agree. Yeah, absolutely agree. I don't think that will ever be made into a, yeah, no, yeah. It definitely is. None of that. Thank you. Okay, good. And then she says something nice about me, which you don't need to hear but there was a quote Oh what did she say? She likes my quoting of Blackadder but her favourite quote from Blackadder is you look like a bird who swallowed a plate to Percy which is an excellent quote from season two of Blackadder I believe.

38:34Right number five her actual question yes Kate we've got to the end finally an actual question for discussion Steph recently referenced Damages as a totally underrated show which I agree with another one I always think about is season one of Bloodlines it has Carl Chandler Chloe Sevigny Sissy Spacek Ben Mendelsohn and Linda Cardellini. It was cast brilliantly. So gripping. But I've never heard anyone on here mention it. You may have to do a bit of research looking back through Boyd's Heat column over the years, but what other shows unfairly came and went that didn't get the accolades they deserved?

39:06I mean, that one is something that I think we probably need to actually have a think about. But I will say Bloodlines' show, I know the one you mean, I've never watched it. No, I'm surprised I haven't watched it either because I love Linda Cardellini. Was it a cancelled show? Do you know what? I don't remember. I believe it's Bloodline. It's a singular rather than plural. Oh, it's Bloodline. Yeah. Bloodline is, I think, the one they're referring to, which is 2015. And this was... Yeah, three seasons. Carl Chandler. Oh, God. Incredible. Fantastic cast. John Leguizamo, Andrea Reisbrough. Sam Shepard's Sissy Space Set.

39:43Yeah, I remember watching the first episode. I'm sure we reviewed it. Were we around then? No, we weren't. Not 2015, we started in 2018. So I must have reviewed it, yeah. Oh, it's about the slow decline of a hotelier family after the return of their prodigal eldest son just as they're losing their hold on the Florida town. Oh, it sounds great. Yes, I remember it now. I think it was one of those I've seen the first episode. It sounds like brothers and sisters with peers. Oh, it was only cancelled because of the high production cost. Oh, there you go. Yeah, I mean, that cost is expensive in itself, isn't it?