PLUS Hostage

0:07Hello and welcome to Pilot Plus, your additional guide to everything worth watching and sometimes not worth watching on TV. For the second week in a row, we've been abandoned by our great leader, James, and we've even been abandoned by our kind of great crime leader, so to speak, Steph Sealand, who is dead to go on holiday the same time as James. I mean, I don't know who does the full planning. I thought you were starting a rumor there. No, no, no, no. Not at all. That voice is, of course, the voice of Kay Ribeiro. And it's a two-hander today. It's a one-on-one because of the aforementioned absences of James and Steph.

0:51How do you feel, Kay, about going just a duo? Well, listen, you know, that excites me greatly. I have no issue with that. I should tell the listeners that I'm a little under the weather, shall we say. And so if I'm a bit low energy, it's not because I'm just doing this with Boyd. It's just because I'm feeling a bit rough. I mean, too much information maybe, but that's fine. Okay, yeah.

1:19Do you know what's brilliant about that? That interaction already. That's giving an insight into the compassion and the sympathy I get from Boyd. if I dare to be under the weather, ever. I think that's an unfair attack on my... You already hit the requisite levels of energy. That's what I meant. Oh, okay, fine. I don't think anyone would have noticed there was anything wrong. I was worried. I like to bring the energy. Yeah, of course. Today, in this episode, we will be reviewing, finally, Hostage on... Netflix? Correct. Yes. Yes, Netflix. And this arrives on Thursday, the day we come out. This podcast comes out.

2:05It's been heavily, heavily embargoed until then, so I haven't been able to review it. And it's all very exciting. And hopefully we'll have Saran Jones and the creator, Matt Sharman, I think. Yes. On the regular pod that comes out on Monday. And then we're all having a bumper. I think the description is postbag. I think I'm mooted doing a – I don't know why I'm getting into the details of it, but I'm, you know, I'm doing a smoke spoiler special discussion because the finale went out on Friday, last Friday, Kay. I'm sure you're aware. But we're saving that to when James comes back to honour his importance, even though, like, they do, they're doing spoiler special discussions about Alien Earth over there on the Empire feed, Kay.

2:48Oh, don't, we've had, yeah, we've had an email about that. Yeah, guests from, no, have you? Good. Oh, I'm glad. Yeah, read it out. and you know what not all lots of coverage of Alien Earth there over on the Empire feed but we have of course had the best coverage with our interview and with Alex Lawther from Alien Earth yes fantastic anyway on to Hostage this is a I would say big bold story in which Saran Jones plays no less the British Prime Minister and her husband, played by Ashley Thomas, rap star known as Bashy, Ashley Thomas, I'm sure you're aware, and actor. Big on the rap scene. Big on the rap scene.

3:33He is big on the rap scene. He plays a husband who is kidnapped in a foreign country and held to ransom by mysterious people. And Sir Anne Jones's prime minister, Abigail Dalton, has to turn to the French prime minister, played by the legendary Julie Delpy, for, in quotes, help with the situation because the territory in which he's been kidnapped is, I believe, kind of French... French Guyana. Guyana. And the Frenchies still have a lot of power over it, you know, for good or ill. Indeed. That is the basic plot, okay? What the hell did you make of this series? So, I have watched it all because I will be interviewing Saran and Matt, but I know I'm wary of spoilers.

4:17We don't want to ruin this for anyone. I would say... Yeah, we should say, sorry, just sorry to interrupt. at this early stage. I'm just, you know, doing what James has done. Listen, you are channeling Dave. Yeah, I'm channeling James. Just to say that the interview hasn't happened yet. It's happening this afternoon. So we're in that slightly weird situation where, you know, anything could happen between now and when you're doing the interview. So we're assuming. I'm doing it from my sick bed. I was, you know. Oh God, yeah. Heroic. But anything could happen, yeah, in between now and then. Maybe I should be Prime Minister with this heroine.

4:44Oh, for sure, yeah. Yeah, just filling in that background that you haven't actually conducted the interview yet, but you will be and it'll all be fine. I have every confidence I will be chatting to them. But yeah, I've watched the whole series, but it's spoiler-rific, you know, so I don't want to give away too much. So in this first episode, basically, it sets the scene, as Boyd says, Serene Jones is British Prime Minister, Abigail Dalton. Within eight months of her premiership, she faces a political and personal crisis, as detailed by Boyd, in that she is first of all trying to negotiate with the French president, president Toussaint and they're dealing with hot button issues in terms of immigration you know so the French president wants Britain to be firm and tough on immigration has some radical suggestions with regards to the UK borders and Abigail is trying to solve the NHS medical supply crisis and so she's trying to you know she's embroiled in these discussions and negotiations and then the worst thing happens as Boyd said which is that her husband is um who's a humanitarian doctor is taken um hostage it is stressful like it's tense it's stressful it's high octane um you know she's put in this incredibly difficult position I really love the fact that you know it's a female prime minister and president and it's how they are dealing with the power and also that on the domestic front the issues they have and i think both women really just fully um i don't know they're really well cast and very convincing these roles so jones has this kind of working class um politician with integrity who really is making difficult decisions and stands her ground even when those decisions involve her family um whereas uh delpy is uh how would you describe sort of like an ice queen who's nakedly ambitious um will do whatever it takes to win her upcoming election um but she's not without compassion she's you know it's well-rounded character she's you know she does have sympathy for abigail's predicament and situation it's just if she's prepared to put abigail's needs above her own which is what the tense situation we find ourselves in at the end of the episode so i mean this is a gourmet burger i mean it is lavish it's thrilling um it's entertaining.

6:59It is, you know, kind of preposterous in places, we have to say that. But what I would say is it's very easy to get swept up in. And you just want to see how it unfolds, because there are so many twists and turns to this. What did you make of the fact that there's a reason why the French president can't help as instantly as you'd think she would, the British Prime Minister. And that's a huge spoiler, the reason why. But the reason why, it's quite something, isn't it? I mean, that is one of the things. It's mad, right? And those are one of those preposterous moments I was referring to because it is a crazy twist.

7:44Having said all that, listen, if I was in her position, you know, it's something. The French Prime Minister? The French President's position, you mean? The situation she finds herself in, which if I was Delpy and the reason why she can't, I can see it. But given her position, yes, it was an unwise decision to make. And I'm not just talking about her position as the French president. I'm talking about other positions she holds. Steady. We're being deliberately vague. Steady. Yeah, we're being deliberately vague. But yeah, it's a mad moment. And there are quite a few of those mad moments. But I think if you can let that wash over you and just go with it, then, like I said, it's just a fun, entertaining thrill fest.

8:27Yeah, for me, it's not only a gourmet burger. It's a gourmet burger with relish on the side because it's absolutely bonkers, isn't it, for a fair period of time. And, in fact, it gets more and more mad as it goes on, I would say. Yes. And do you know what? I wish we could do – we can't spoil it. But we can. You know what? Not right now, but we can do a spoiler special discussion at the later date. I think we should, because the last episode particularly, I have a lot of things to say. Yeah. Well, you can ask the creator about various intriguing twists and turns. One of the elements I want to talk to them about, which actually I read, Boyd, in your preview for Heat magazine, was the sort of scale and ambition of it.

9:10because it's very impressive, the fact that they – didn't they create an actual size Downing Street? Yeah, they created number 10 Downing Street, the whole of Downing Street, the street itself, which if you've ever – you know, it's on the news a lot. Boyd, I've been inside. Of course you have. I've been inside Downing Street. I can confirm that's exactly how it looks. Was that a gathering of creative legends or something? No, it was less salubris. we did an interview with the Prime Minister oh yeah for heat yeah yes a photo shoot and I went along of course you did and yeah went through that was that David Cameron it was Cameron yeah I was sort of skipping over that part but yeah I went through the famous door and it's really interesting you insisted we interviewed David Cameron before the election you know me so well you were his biggest pretty much his biggest fan and yeah 100 % and he appeared in that's right true blue all the way Wow.

10:08So you will know. So yeah, they rebuilt the whole street pretty much for the show. And they also built a House of Commons as well. Yeah, it's very impressive. You'd think, because there are so many shows that include the House of Commons in them, you know, like through history, you'd think there was a House of Commons set that everyone could use. But no, I think... What? Yeah, I think... That's mad. You think they'd actually have a set that was just kept built? Yeah, right. No. No. Of course not. They'd have to strike the set each time. You can't just keep one in case like a House of Commons is needed.

10:42I think there has been, actually, Katie. I think you'll find up until fairly recently, there has been a House of Commons set. Really? Yes. Where? I don't know, in Elstree or somewhere. I'm just plucking that out. In your mind. Wow. Wow. Well, I mean. Well, if there was, then why didn't they use it? Were you saying it's now been deconstructed? I think it's been recently. Okay. To be honest, I'm making this all up. It could be complete fantasy on my part. But anyway, the bottom line is the lavish Netflix budget has stretched to them recreating these huge historic places, real-life places, in an aircraft hangar or outside an aircraft hangar somewhere in Britain.

11:25And that element of it is very convincing. Some would say more convincing than some of the plot twists that happen. but it's one of those things where I always say particularly with Saran Jones shows and she's brilliant and we love her and I love her and everything but I often can't shake off that show she did I often bring this up, you know the one I mean? A Touch of Cloth she did A Touch of Cloth the Charlie Brooker comedy that took the piss out of crime dramas and she's so brilliant in that show It was like Charlie Brooker's cop drama piss-take version of, like, The Naked Gun, you know. It was really silly, really, really silly, but hilarious.

12:13You should check it out. I think I'm sure it's almost always on Sky. In fact, here's my tip for you. After you've introduced Sir Anne Jones later, you could bring it up. By the way, do you often think yourself of, like, you know, a touch of cloth, that hilarious thing you did when you're doing big... Are you sure she's going to want me to bring that up? Maybe, maybe not. I think you might be sending me on a full Zarin there. I'll leave that up to you to decide, yeah. But that show is full of hilarious, like, double takes and reaction shots, over-the-top reaction shots. And in this show, there are moments when she has to do proper, like, she's aghast, right, at various things that happen throughout.

12:48Almost every episode has something going on where she has to react to it, and it's madness. And I just kept thinking, oh, my God, this is so much like a touch of cloth when she has to do similarly over-the-top things. so yeah but so it is ridiculous there's things that stretch credulity to the limit but it's really good fun that's what I'd say it's cuckoo bong it's cuckoo bong and what's the other one banana crackers but I wasn't I'm not interviewing Saran Jones and Matt Shalman I'm doing another interview at the same time by the way so I'm not slacking before I can accuse him of being lazy I'm not slacking I'm doing Alfie Allen and Shahzad Latif for also for the podcast yes for Atomic I'm excited to discuss that we're reviewing in next week's pod yeah anyway I am not but I watched all five episodes anyway because it was so compelling and entertaining and enjoyable and you really and you really want to know what happens next don't you oh yeah that and that is such a I mean I think for me that's always the measure and it's actually thinking of recent shows that we've reviewed You know, I would say like one in every three or four maximum is, you know, you really feel you want to carry on watching.

14:03And this is definitely at the top of the list of recent stuff. The storytelling is incredibly enjoyable and entertaining. And partly because it goes to places you don't expect, like to go back to that thing that we're not spoiling, the reason why Judy Delper is present, can't come to the immediate aid of Sir Anne Jones as Prime Minister. Did you understand? Her hands are tied. Her hands are tied. But I have another question. Did you understand, because I didn't necessarily, why this medical supply crisis has happened? It's like we have... No. Yeah. Yes. No, should I tell you what? I mean, I just sort of pieced it.

14:39I made it make sense in my head that thinking that there were obviously like maybe customs and, you know, stuff happening at the borders that was slowing things down, the medicine from France. But no, that wasn't, I don't think, adequately explained. It was like, yeah, it was like it was slightly an alternate universe where Brexit hasn't happened or something? Or, I don't know, it felt like, yeah, I didn't understand why this crisis has reached the point where they couldn't get hold of any medicine from anywhere in the world, apparently. Britain, the British Prime Minister. I think it's just another thing that you just got to go with.

15:11Yeah, you got to go with it. I think there's been a run of shows that are enormously entertaining that you have to suspend your belief with, like In Flight, like The Assassin. There's all these shows where things happen and you're like, that wouldn't happen, it's unrealistic, but actually you kind of can make it work. Inflight is like a kind of hyper-realist documentary compared to this. No, I know, I know. But you know what I mean? There are increasingly shows relying on the fact that everything has to be factually correct to make sense. True. I should also mention, of course, that a certain actor is in this playing Saran Jones' mother, Saran Jones' father, not father.

15:56God, that's the big reveal. The big news is. That would be an amazing, I wouldn't put it past that, but that would be an amazing. Oh my God, and you get quoted on like, I don't know, digital spy in radiotimes.com. Yeah, thanks, yeah. The big news. But no, no, the big fact is that it gets a lot of work. James Cosmo is back. Your friend. My friend, not Cosmo Jarvis, as I call him. And NCJ, not Cosmo Jarvis, is back with another big supporting role as, yeah, Surratt Jones' character's not very well father, Max. And obviously I just like it when James Cosmo pops up in every single TV show, reminding me of the Cosmo Jarvis mistake.

16:36The debacle. The debacle that happened, yeah. So, yeah, I think we both enjoyed it, Hostage. Yeah. it's definitely worth catching up on because it's just a bit of fun it is it's a Laura Laura Luffs oh my god did you channel Scylla do you know what I love Post Boyd thanks I love that you have now channeled James's accents and impressions Hostage all five episodes of course arrive on the Netflix today Thursday the 21st of August if you're listening to this as it comes out and why wouldn't you and it is fun. You will, and you'll never see, I'm banging on the bed of relentlessly, but you'll never see the reason why Judy Delpy can't help.

17:22Sarangelo is coming from a moment. Like I say, I don't necessarily blame her, although morally, ethically, maybe not. The more you say about her, the more people are going to wonder what, try and guess. Our lips are sealed. That is hostage. Well done, everyone. And now, I believe, we're going to crack open the mailbag ladies and gentlemen it's Miss Kay versus the post bag

17:59oh he's made it American yeah the mailbag sure yeah okay we're going to kick off with an email about smoke from Greg who says I just finished watching smoke on Apple TV and was curious what you all thought of it. The plot got more and more batshit. And by the end, there were lots of unanswered storylines and it felt utterly ridiculous. I've not felt so angry at a show in a very long time. The more I think of it, the more terrible I think it was. I could not disagree more. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And I really want to do a special discussion on it because Dennis Lehane, the creator of it, was doing an interview with Variety.

18:39after the last episode went out, basically his own spoiler special chat. And he was talking in it. You remember my theory about Smoke, which is that it makes Hostage look like a kind of small-scale, cozy little drama, melodrama, because Smoke takes such big swings, huge big swings. Oh, yeah. massive twist there's another big twist in the finale in the final episode which I never saw coming and I think is brilliantly done I love you've done this before where I've alluded to the big twist in the finale and you've looked a question in the app listeners Kay's looking at me like she hasn't noticed the twist in the final episode I think you need to watch it again yeah well the thing is it was so long ago now that I watched it all I think you need to watch it again because Dennis Lane talks about this twist in the finale that Apple wasn't so keen on He talks about that, how they did it almost in secret behind Apple's back.

19:37They just had this, yeah. And it's a huge, big thing. All I recall, and I'm not going to, because we will do a proper discussion. Don't spoil it. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Is that I did enjoy, I mean, it is Cuckoo Bong, and I enjoyed it for its madness because I leant into it and I was just kind of, this character, his character, Taron Egerton's character was just like so compelling. however that last episode lost me as in like that's when I was out because of this wacko like it was mad I'm with Greg it got so batshit that I was like no come on I mean it was mad enough it didn't need to go to the next level it took it too far I love the next level madness that's because you're next level mad you know the other thing I'll when we do the special discussion which will hopefully be next week with James I'll dig out this but he also talks about you know there's a bit in it and this is not a spoiler there's a bit in it where there's two characters there's a confrontation involving a gun in a mouth remember that bit oh yes well oh my god obsessed with that moment what a moment and he's the dentist saying that they actually cut about a minute and a half that goes on for another minute and a half shut up really yeah but he thought it was too much they thought it was too much everyone was like that bit with a gun in the mouth to him you gotta you know you're going too far now and he was like okay all right we'll dial it back a bit um so yeah but it i absolutely loved it when something goes that bonkers and cuckoo bong and over the top I think you either go with it or you kind of stand back and go oh no I just went with it I absolutely love it yeah the thing is I didn't go with it it's just a really oh wow interesting we were trying to get time with Dennis I'm going to chase that up yeah do yeah and Tara why not get them both yeah yeah double bubble yeah if the variety can get Dennis then why can't the pilot oh of course pilot CV yeah yeah makes a lot of sense yeah now for a message from Lee who says first plus dropped on Wednesday this week.

21:31Mind blown. Yeah, we should just cover that off. Basically what happened was I got some messages straight away and James very kindly on his holiday said he would still like schedule the pilot plus, the episodes. But because he had holiday brain, he got the date wrong. And so, yeah, it erroneously went out on Wednesday, but we like to think it was just a nice treat a day early. Yeah, it was a bonus, yeah. Anyway, Lee's second point was, the episode with Boyd K and Steph this week was pure joy. Just listening to the three of you chatting to each other was lovely. You should make a podcast together.

22:05Basic Binges, anyone? I've a buried memory of a show that came before Basic Binges with John Ronson. Am I wrong? John Ronson? Yeah. I don't know. In my head, I was thinking, is he getting confused with John, Dan? No. I might have interviewed John Ronson. And what was the – basic bingers did undergo various – We were basic bingers. We were first of all the Unmissables. Yeah. And then we were basic bingers. We went renegade. Yeah. I might have interviewed John Ronson because I do know John very well. Yeah. He's a friend. I haven't seen him for a while. But, I mean, he moved to New York with his family, Lock, Stock and Barrel.

22:43Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. But so I may well have interviewed him because I do know him. And he would have had, I'm sure, some documentary out that we would have reviewed. so it's hardly possible but not as a regular he was he would have been a one-off guest I interviewed yeah but it's quite possible yeah so Lee says looking forward to the next episode I was at the live show by the way Russell T. Davis was a gift I had a thousand Doctor Who questions but it wasn't the place thanks Lee oh thanks Lee yeah that's brilliant he was a gift oh now so we've had a very nice message obviously about our reunion our basic binge reunion and now we've had some feedback from Nigel who says hi everyone sorry to be a pedant but I got taken out of your review of Peacemaker this week as Steph kept calling John Cena John Senna instead of famously the correct pronunciation of John Cena please review and correct for the next episode thanks Nigel can I just say I mean fair enough right but people love people love nothing more than correcting people's pronunciation of things I've just noticed and I'm not having a go out of distance by this we have to be told we have to be told right yeah Hello, look how I fly into a fury if anyone gets my surname wrong.

23:54Exactly. And some might say, you know, yeah. What would they say, Boyd? They would say... He's only saying this because we're a remote recording and we're not just tuning together. Sometimes the pronunciation of a name might or might not be, you know, shall we say, challenging. Anyway. Yes, I am a hypocrite. I get it. Anyway, but what is increasingly clear to me is people love correcting pronunciation. I do a football-based podcast, which some listeners... Oh, do you? Yeah, yeah. What's it called? It's called Footballist in the Arsenal, okay. Fine. There's this player, our big new signing of the summer, Arsenal, is a guy called Victor Jokeres, right?

24:33Easy enough? No, no, no, no. It's spelled G-Y-O-K-E-R-E-S. So it would be Jokeres. Jokeres. And I kept saying, as a lot of people are doing now as we speak, discussing our new striker, Victor Jokeres. I kept saying that when I was talking about him on my podcast. This bloke sent me a direct message. Oh, no. I would have thought you would have known, you know, that tone. I thought you would have known, realised by now, that the G is silent and it's yokeries. Sort it out. In that real tone of like, you know. And meanwhile, on match of the day, they're mispronouncing it. Mispronouncing it. The irony.

25:15The irony. Yeah. No, but listen, the thing is, I can see it both ways. Because as I said, I get irate if people get my name wrong, even though it's not the easiest name to say, blah, blah, blah. So I understand people feeling like, you know, it is important to get someone's name right. And it's important for people, if they are broadcasting, to make every effort to try and do that. But also what I'd say is, like, I personally, as the woman on this podcast who fucks up the most on names. Now, it's become such a joke amongst us that sometimes I have to get in touch with the boys beforehand saying, I can't lead on this preview because I'm going to fuck every single name up.

25:53And they're like, yeah, yeah, sure. And we re-record numerous times when I mess up. But the point of it is, some people say, oh, you know, it's lazy or, you know, you should have more respect. I actually spend time Googling and listening to YouTube tutorials on how to say names. And most recently I did that and it gave me the wrong version and I went to this screening room and I said it. And the person was like, oh, no, it's not like that. So it's hard. It's hard. And we apologise. We get stuff wrong. Steph would be mortified that she's made a mistake. And I'm not going to tell her for that reason.

26:26But, yeah, we take your point on board, Nigel. And we have reviewed your comments and we have corrected them just now. Nigel. See you. I die star. Sorry. I've got another fun example, actually, of a pronunciation story, which is I'm not going to name the show or the actor, But I did an interview with someone, an actor, and you're given in the notes on the, you know, it's like in a junket situation. It says in the junket notes, by the way, this actor's name is pronounced so-and-so, right? Oh, my God, amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, very useful. I love that. Meanwhile, I'm watching like his co-star being interviewed, who's not pronouncing it that way.

27:10And I'm like, could someone tell him? yeah someone should have told that person also i kind of feel like it's the responsibility like if someone gets my name wrong i i just correct them yeah and i know sometimes that comes across as being a twat but i just think i just want to correct them because otherwise if they get correct they might feel bad and also more importantly i just want it to be said right so i think i can talk about the burden does bear on before i could talk about this all day but i did a q a on stage last week for um another show we'll be reviewing in the other podcast how do you say that name?

27:41King of Conqueror do you know who I'm talking about? I think so so I looked at Nikolai Costa-Waldau the official I looked it up he was in Game of Thrones, he's a huge star but I've always, how exactly do you pronounce Nikolai Costa-Waldau it says Waldau in the official, if you look at, there's a video I always try and find a video I've been looking at videos trying to get it right uses that pronunciation but then on the night again like his own co-stars were going and Nikolai Kosta-Waldau or Wuldau it was not there was it's so I I as James knows he says it to me he's like something's now happened where I've built it up so much in my head that even the most simple names I screw up because I'm so tense so sometimes I just like will say a name really fast if I don't know it because then I think it'll just sound like a noise I think I did that with Nikolai Nikolai Kosta-Waldau Nikolai, Nikolai, Nikolai, Nikolai.

28:40Anyway. Oh, lordy. Anyway, we've taken the note on board and just always know that we are trying our hardest and sometimes we just shit. Okay, now for a message from Judy, who says, I'm the listener who sent James the message about the pit being available on the in-flight entertainment on my Virgin flight to Florida. As James is now off watching the pit on his own flight to Florida, I wondered if we could take the opportunity to talk about a show that isn't sci-fi. I'm not sure if you've discussed this before, and I'm late to the party with this, but The Summer I Turned Pretty has had me hooked and I'm more invested in the story than a 40-something should be.

29:19I know it's nothing groundbreaking, but the love triangle is reminiscent of Dawson's Creek and I often imagine spending my summers in that setting rather than the northeast of England. Love the pod and the recent 349th episode was epic. Also a big fan of Wallace Island. Judy oh no did I say Judy it was Trudy oh yeah see I've messed up Trudy Trudy Trudy yeah by the way Ballad of Wallis Island Cal's going to mention this to you is now available you can buy it on you can buy rent it on you know like Skype whatever you've got now whatever yeah okay so well as you know I've been extraordinarily busy with work I've got I'm hosting at Carfest this weekend so all my time is taken up by that but I was thinking if it's in the cinemas next week in London, which I don't know if it will be.

30:08I'm going to go and see it. And if not, Boydo, actually you're involved in this plan. I was thinking, if I can't have the cinema experience, why don't I have the Boydo experience on your 800-inch screen? Wow. I mean, you're literally inviting yourself to my... And I, by the way, would have to pay for, presumably, the, you know... Yeah, obviously. And snacks. Yeah. Well, we'll have a think about that. Yeah. Not going to happen. Okay, that's translating as yes. So Trudy, in answer to your email, we have had that recommended to us before and I've tried it, but I couldn't get on. I mean, I enjoyed it to a certain point, but I didn't continue with it.

30:49So maybe I should give it another go. I think we reviewed the first episode of season two. It's my memory, but you thought we reviewed the first episode of the whole thing? No, I knew it was the first episode of some series. Oh, yeah. And by the way, yeah, you probably tried to watch the first episode. It was actually the third episode, third series or whatever. Yes, that's something else I get wrong. Just checking you've watched the right series of Invasion, by the way, that we're reviewing. Is it series three? Yeah. Right. I think that's insane that we're doing a series three show, by the way.