PLUS Lazarus, and Nobody Wants This

26:36Okay, wait, wait, wait. James, you cannot, because have you seen the first one? Yeah, but the only difference between me and Boyd is like 23 minutes. We only agreed to review it. We never said... Yeah, that's fine. No, I agree with that. Yeah, yeah. I just... That's right. You can call them out for unprofessionalism. That's fine. I don't mind. You're not in no position to get involved in this. Yeah, this is not a watch of the whole season demand. No, it's fine. Okay, well, what I was... But that's interesting that you did anyway. So it must have been fairly compelling. No, that's what I'm saying.

27:01I'm saying it's still very watchable. But I just think I'm starting to find those two characters slightly more annoying than I did first time around. I mean, I suppose it is the nature of it, right? Because it's documenting a relationship and a couple who are trying to work through these things and they're living together. What I would say is one of those shows where the supporting cast is much funnier than the main two. Well, this is what I was going to say, yeah. 100%. Which is the fact that Timothy Simons and Justine... Now, how are we saying this? I think it's Lupe. Okay, Lupe, who play Sasha and Morgan, their siblings.

27:32They are the real draw of this. And this series particularly, I just love watching their friendship. And also, like, the sister-in-law. Oh, yeah, Sasha's wife, Jackie Tone. She's fantastic. She's the best one. She absolutely takes no shit at all. Because, of course, Morgan and Sasha were flirting with each other, right, last time. and that's what comes out in the first episode. Yes, and in fact, it's a real sort of, this season they kind of explore Sasha and his wife's relationship and it's really interesting to see that. And actually, that's where some of the emotional depth comes from. And in the finale, it's fantastic.

28:09I really, really enjoyed the final episode and I thought, oh, okay, all right, they're getting into the meat of it now. There's a bit more depth to it. And then they do the nobody wants this twist. but yeah overall like I said I have watched the whole series so also like I thought it was fun that all of those actors by the way because Justin Lupe was brilliant in Succession Timothy Simons was in loads of American comedies what's the American version of The Thick of It that In The Loop was the film yeah he was in that and he's really funny and he's in Veep a lot as well a lot of Amanda Inouye's stuff and in this series they're joined by Alex Karpovsky as Big Noah the other rabbi who's also called Noah right and he do you know who he is Alex Karpovsky do you recognise him he is from Girls he was Ray in Girls absolutely brilliant oh yeah of course yeah yeah he was one of the best characters in Girls so it's kind of got like a whole kind of cornucopia of top also you missed one go on Adam Brody's actual wife Leighton Meester has a cameo in this one oh yeah interesting so there's an on screen And doesn't Seth Rogen appear as well in this series?

29:21Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, there you go. So basically every Jewish comedic American actor slash performer is in this series pretty much, as they should be. So worth watching, basically. If you liked series one, definitely check it out. I did, and I will. Is that a commitment? I mean, we never know with you now. Definitely a commitment. Your words mean nothing. That's fair. That is fair. And my watch list is long. My sofa list is overflowing at the moment, but this is definitely on it. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Okay, nobody wants this on Netflix. Literally, nobody wants this. Nobody wants this. Okay, fantastic.

29:57We will do some Diplomat Spoiler Chat and another point in case we watched it all. No, no judgment. No judgment here. Mate, don't lie. I'm simply stating facts. I am not judging. No, you can't even watch the shows we are reviewing on the show, so I think you need to step... I think you need to back off, right? Yeah. Should we have the post bag?

30:18Ladies and gentlemen, it's Miss Kaye versus the Postbag.

30:35Okay, let's get to it. So, I wasn't sure how many we'd have time for because I thought we were doing an extensive Nobody Wants This chat. I didn't realise it'd be cut short because of your ineptitude.

30:49So we start with this one. It is from Kat. And she says, Hey lovely podlets, given that so many Hollywood actors have moved into television, what is it about modern TV that attracts movie stars so much now? Is it just the insane buying power of the streamers or something else? Perhaps not having to go to multiple locations, not having to do a gruelling PR tour, or just the promise of a potentially steady and repeatable income? Which stars, other than Tom Cruise, do you think will never move into television? We have literally answered this exact question. Oh, when? I know this because I thought this sounds familiar, and then the Tom Cruise thing at the end, I was like, we've definitely answered this exact question.

31:25Did you do it when I was off? And did you keep the email in the inbox? Is this what's happening? I don't think so. I don't think it's one that I asked. I seem to recall you asking it. But definitely the Tom Cruise thing is for me. That's the giveaway. Okay, Boydo, do you have any thoughts on why stars are... I can try and answer. I'm trying to think of stars who haven't done, still would hold out from TV. And there aren't many. I was thinking of the big, you know, the old hitters, even the De Niro's and the Pacino's have done more TV recently. And actually, so it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, they've all gone into it.

32:00Who else is there? Glenn Powell's got a show at the moment, obviously. We surely talked about this last time, but there is that sense. It used to be the case where movie stars were just, it was like a higher echelon, wasn't it? It was simply that being in movies was massive success. Movie stardom, being on TV was kind of slumming it. That was how it was seen going back to the 90s. And I just think those days are so long past at this point. We are so long past the point where TV is an inferior medium to cinema. It's a different medium. I think it has definitely different qualities and there are definitely good things about both that are separate.

32:36But I think the quality of TV is now so high that I don't think, for me, anyway, there's any distinction between, you know, TV and film actors. Yeah. Robert Pattinson? I don't think he's done any TV, isn't he? I don't think he has, but I could see him in the future. Like, you know, in that... You can see him in the future in Mickey 17. You wouldn't want to, because it's shit. You know, what was that show, Presumed Innocence? Was that with Jake Gyllenhaal? I could see him in a show like that. Jake hadn't done much until then. I mean, he hadn't done much. But that certainly... He did do that and was very good in it.

33:09Angelina Jolie in the yeah I don't think she's done any TV I'm pretty sure although I could again see her in one of those shows like an Apple one was it the Lion what was the one with Nicole Kidman and Zoe Saldana Lioness yeah like I could see it in something like that yeah that's true she could pop up in that so now we're just answering what shows could we imagine what shows could we imagine people being in I think they would all be good in the expanse Brad Pitt what's he done on TV Friends oh yeah it's always comes back to Friends yeah that doesn't really count I can see Brad Pitt doing George Clooney famously started on TV yeah oh yeah oh yeah remember the peacemaker was a big deal for him because that was his first big like he was transitioning from TV to cinema and that was seen as like an elevation like he's a TV actor he's become a movie star but could you imagine him coming back to TV now like what would really 100 % yeah I could I tell you what the possible key to all this is is Quentin Tarantino has talked quite a lot about the fact that he's really tempted to do a long-form TV series.

34:10Like, he's going to, supposedly, his next film will be his last, but I believe it when I say it. But he's definitely talking about wanting to do a big TV series. And if he starts doing a TV genre, then the likes of Clooney, Pitt, all of these, even maybe Tom Cruise, I think, would take part if he approached that level of people. So I think it's down to that kind of thing, really. If a project came along from that, from the world's most famous film director, apart from maybe Master School of Sazio or something, if he deigns to move into television at any point, then I think you'll see some of those reluctant stars join in.

34:46That's my theory. I think it comes down to motivation, doesn't it? Because to a certain extent, you get someone like Tom Cruise who gets paid in such stupid amount of zeros here per movie. You would imagine that short of bankrupting a TV show, he probably wouldn't get that kind of money. But it's the same reason that an actor might decide to do a play in the West End, right? It's scratching a different itch, doing something slightly different. But equally, I think TV shooting schedules are much more punishing than film shooting schedules. They are, but they don't have to be, in a way. Again, if you have a real star director, like I bet David Fincher, I bet David Fincher, I don't think he changes the way he directs his TV stuff.

35:21You think they were all phoning in on Mindhunter, is that what you're saying? Taking extra long lunches. Quite the opposite. Quite the opposite. What I'm saying is on Mindhunter, he probably used the same overall approach to filming as he did with his films. Yeah. So, you know, I think when it's that level of directorial talent, then the stream gives them the freedom to do it however the hell they want, is my feeling. I think we've answered that question. Again. Sorry, I was just staring. I've got an insect bite. It's very irritating me. You've been bitten by an insect. Yes, in the studio. That feels like a seventh to a sci-fi movie.

35:51Jesus Christ, you're falling apart. I literally, I said that to my friend yesterday. I was like, I'm falling apart. That's the only thing I can say. Anyways, continuing with Star Power. Now, James, do correct me if we've had this one as well. I will, don't worry. I'm just assured, I will correct you. Craig says, hi Kay, watching only murders in the building and the studio. So many stars. Are there any other shows that have more stars in them? Thank you and come on you Spurs. Oh no. Oh, the shows with the most star power. I mean only murders. Once you've got Streep on board it's very hard to beat that, isn't it?

36:24Also the studio, he's right. What else? The studio is incredible. I don't know that they count. What? When you've got people like, I mean actually, do you know what I think in the studio they kind of do count because like Ron Howard it's not like a blink and you miss him cameo it's like it's a proper role in the episode and whatnot and they do have very good people in it but they are kind of cameos it's so hard it was starting out as a reverse ferret now you're doubling down I've done a 360 degree ferret it's a spinning ferret Boy Day any thoughts? The Morning Show is quite starry isn't it especially I mean it is you've got two of the biggest female stars in the world and Jon Hamm and the other guy, the annoying character in the current season, you know, going off to make his film in Hollywood.

37:11I love him. Stop going for him. Billy Crudup. Billy Crudup. Crudup. Billy Crudup. Yeah, back off. That's pretty starry, that show. Yeah, that's a good one. And even like down to, who's it, the newbie character of the series? Anyway, it's full of fucking stars. Yeah. Okay. I made my point. Is it because I mentioned Spurs? Yeah. Boyd's been completely thrown by the mention of Spurs. which is just the incandescent rage. He's now like ignoring it. Oh, absolutely not. No, I just feel pity. Oh, God. Wait, what was the score last night? Arsenal on 4-0, thanks for asking. Top of the league. Teed you up for that, you're welcome.

37:47Now for a message about Boyd's book. Dear all, as a Pilot Plus subscriber, I'm very disappointed not to receive my free copy of Boyd's Hilton's Gavin and Stacey book. Seriously, what do we pay our frightfully good value £3.49 a month for? Fair. I shall be waiting by my letterbox with bated breath for its arrival. Regards, Mike. Boy, did you not hand deliver a book to every subscriber? Yeah. Because I kind of felt that was implied. No, but you can get it for like, I think you can get it for like half price on Amazon. At least you could last week. Okay, lovely. It's like 25 quid. You can get it for 12.50.

38:19Yeah, I mean, I'm not, by the way, I'd much rather you went to a fantastic local bookshop and bought it there. Obviously, support your independent bookstores. But yeah, you can get it for pretty, pretty good. every book that comes out now you get that has so much money taken off it by Amazon but then this is the publishing model isn't it yeah they set the RRP at some asterisk this book is£999 and then they can just price it whatever they want not just Amazon as well they do it in the supermarkets oh no I know yeah completely in fact I saw the other day now the standard for a fairly big book now is£30 yeah it's ridiculous that is mad genuinely mad also especially in a time when you people aren't buying books and you want them to buy more books there's no excuse Boy, you're part of the problem, is what we're saying.

39:02Well, no, I mean, the Gavin's Facebook is only 25, but there are... Still pretty pricey. I know, I know, I know. But the thing I want to know is, who is buying those Taschen books? You know those Taschen books that are like several hundred, if not several thousand pounds each? Yeah. Who is buying them? Whose coffee table can support that weight? I get that. I think if you're rich, then it's quite... So yourself, you have many of them. I don't. I was tempted. I have to say, you remember years ago, they brought out a 2001 Space Odyssey one that was stunning. because it was like, you know how in 2001, this is a film, sorry.

39:31Listen, I would expect nothing less. They had this black, huge black object that is at the centre of the whole film. And they brought out this kind of massive, lavish making of book of 2001 in an actual monolith, in a black object. And you opened it up. Wait, did you get it? No, I didn't get it. That cost, I remember, but I was tempted. I remember thinking, oh, if I really, but it was like two grand it was unbelievable you've got to think for your supreme wardrobe you can't just be like that's like two t-shirts you get for that but thank god I didn't buy it because then they brought out a kind of much cheaper version they do that yeah they do that a lot so yeah rich people will get the massive limited edition thousands of pounds one I remember they did one with I think it was about Muhammad Ali and called Goat as in greatest of all time yeah and it was a massive thing and it came with its own metal stand was it in the shape of a goat it was in the shape of a goat see that I would be tempted by yeah that would be there's an Arnold one there's an Arnold's book which I your friend Arnold yeah which he did not send me one but again that comes with a kind of big sort of like sort of plinth and all this sort of stuff the other one they did the Shining one which I think I remember Nick De Semlian I think went to that had a big launch and everything like it's this unbelievably elaborate everything you ever want to know about The Shining anyway forget all these films if you're going to get a film book get Nick De Semlian's book that's what we're saying which one?

40:52he's written several well all of them will be cheaper than this last action heroes yeah get all of them They are all cheaper than Tashin books, yeah. I can confirm. By the way, just for anyone who was concerned, just to let you know, there was an official handover between Boyd and I. He did give me a copy of his book. Yes, I like James as well. Crucially, he didn't do it on the podcast because he's not a natural showman. And I think you owed it to the audience to capture that moment. That is true. Do you want to say what's even funnier about that? He gave it to me a second before we started recording and James was like, what are you doing?

41:21What are you doing? That's true. I was quite put out. Yeah. But no, I don't think listeners were concerned about James because we established that you gave one to James and Stephanie Sealand who gave one to me. That's true. You weren't here, Kay. You were on your retreat. You should have got on a virgin bike and you should have driven over to my flat. Anyways, we got another email and oh my God, a glorious another cheerio. I'm here for the cheerio sign-off now. That might be my new best wishes by the way, Boyd. You're a fan of this for cereal? The sign-off. Okay. Anyway, it's from Cameron who says, Hope you're all well.

41:52Did you finish watching the Mark Ruffalo show Task? I thought it was absolutely incredible. Paced perfectly, tight direction, and the writing and acting gave such dedication to giving every single character, including the baddies, such inner lives. Sorry. Boyd, I won't be interrupted while reading Cameron's email. Those final two episodes were particularly memorable. Everyone was so good, but I want to single out Tom Pelfrey. Yes. Robbie, yes, he was fantastic. And Amelia Jones as Maeve, who were both so real and so moving and helped give the show such heart. spoiler alert and Lizzie's story was really heartbreaking and has stayed with me for days later anyway keep up always entertaining all the entertaining bickering I mean I don't know if you really want that Cameron that's actually so Task is next on my sofa list well I was going to talk about it on the main podcast tomorrow oh okay because also so there's a very real possibility we might be doing a spoiler special for Task another I mean breaking news as usual on the podcast yeah wait a minute who's we well you'll have to watch as well only if you want to Boyd does.

42:52Only if you want to. Boyd's already seen it. Oh, have you seen all of it? No, you're, yeah. We can't talk about it because Boyd's going to talk about it on the regular podcast. Yes, sorry. I was leaping to a defence. Do you mean on the podcast, you meant? I thought... Am I being involved in the podcast or is this an Empire special? I think he's being ostracised, yeah. Oh, no, no, no. This will be us. It will be all those of us who have the time for it. Who's the guest? Well, I'm in early negotiations to have Brad Ingleby on the podcast to talk about it. Have you done the Stephen Merchant interview yet?

43:19I did. I spoke to Steve Merchant yesterday, and that's going to be on the regular podcast on Monday. And he was a delight. He is a brilliant delight. An absolute delight. It was absolutely anarchic, that interview was. What show is he in? It's for The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon. The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon. Yeah, you see, normally I would have insisted on doing that interview myself. Well, I didn't think you'd want to do this one. Yeah, but having to watch Daryl Dixon. Indeed. But I did watch it, and I did speak to him about that. Although, I will say, the conversation got derailed quite early on and never really recovered.

43:48That's what you want. Yeah, it's definitely not what I would describe as a Walking Dead-centric interview. Oh, they're the best interviews. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. But you covered up Zomzies. Do you know what? We never got to Zomzies. No, I never, I never. Very remiss. Yeah, I didn't read them into that. Anyway. Okay. Now for a location, location, location type question. And it is from Graham and, now, are we, Graham and Gael? Gael? How's it spelled? In France. So, G-A-E-L-L-E. Gael, yeah. Gael. As in Gael Clichy, the ex-arce from Manchester City. It always comes back to football. Okay, Gael.

44:21All right, fine. Graham and Gael in France. And they say, Hi team, love the pod, an essential part of our weekly listening. Following on from your chat this week about film locations that are not what they seem, we think the racetrack scenes in the excellent Netflix series, SANA, definitely are up there. Supposedly set in Norfolk, the racetrack scenes were filmed in Argentina with cloud-top mountains in the background. A far cry from the rather flat reality that is Norfolk. a classic case for saving money by needing to film on location the series is excellent and I believe it's the highest priced production made by Brazil Netflix to date so not bashing it thanks again for all the reviews interviews and recommendations if you need somebody to sit in on the Foundation's season 4 spoiler special let us know interestingly enough on this point one of the things that I spoke to Stephen Merchant about was The Walking Dead Daryl Nixon begins and those of you who have seen season 2 will know this it begins in London Now, they come out of the Channel Tunnel and walk to London.

45:18It takes them about 15 minutes. I have questions. But at one point, they're walking through what looks like some sort of Kent village, and then they are literally walking past Parliament. I'm like, um... Anyway, what I found fascinating, that entire thing was shot in Madrid. What? Yeah, so all the London sequences is just Madrid. And they've essentially just... I mean, in the olden days, it would have been a matte painting, wouldn't it? But they've CGI'd it in. So you've got post-apocalyptic London superimposed on Madrid. Tell me how I feel about this. Yeah, well, so it was interesting because I was watching it, I'm like, I can tell that's not real.

45:49Not just because Parliament isn't infested with zombies, but, well, having said that, but they also have like, it's really funny, so they turn these Madrid sort of like back-locked things into streets, into London bag streets. And so essentially, they're just very narrow streets, more narrow, I think, than you would find in central London. But also, they just stick in. It's really easy for them. I think, yep, black cab there, red phone box there, done. Job done. It's a good one. Where do you think Lazarus is set? by the way oh that's a good one that is a good question where is it set or is it shot well I'm going to say the fact that he said that I think it's not London so I'm going to say Prague well I think it is set in London oh I think oh no no I mean filmed yeah I think it's meant I think it's filmed in London no no I think it's filmed in Manchester I know it's filmed in Manchester oh so it is in the UK it's filmed in the UK oh yeah yeah okay because I think it's Manchester doubling for London I'm pretty sure because Key Street which is based in Manchester the previous metro production company they make they will not they do every single thing they make is in the north of England.

46:46Good for them. Interesting. So I'm pretty sure. I don't think they explicitly say it's set in London but I think it is set in London. Well I'm assuming the grandiose office was just a soundstage anyway because I don't know anywhere like that. Yeah it was. Of course. What do you mean? That's the kind of studio we recorded. Of course. We are even now in our giant Hudson Proxy-esque window in front of us. Okay. Last message is from Elliot who says apologies in advance for crossing the tv film streams hmm Elliot also apologies to Kay if she hasn't seen Twin Peaks because from memory I've only heard Boyd and James talk about it a message in last week's plus episode mentioned the X-Files and Twin Peaks as shows which were less successful in transitioning to the big screen in the context of Downton Abbey that was from our friend Barb I remember anyway he continues and says the Twin Peaks comment surprised me as although I know Fire Walk With Me has some very negative reviews on first release.

47:43Yes, it's terrible. It's brilliant, I tell you. Oh, sorry, I thought you were... We didn't discuss this last week, did we? I don't think so. No, basically Barbara, do you remember our listener Barbara had got in touch and said she didn't think they were ones that transitioned particularly well. Oh, she didn't think, right, right. So, on Firewall with me, I should clarify, I just said it's terrible, that was my knee-jerk reaction. I thought it was terrible when I watched it. Crucially, I watched it when it first came out and I have never revisited it. Right, that's where you need to revisit it.

48:08But in my head, I have that it's terrible. You need to revisit it. I'm in the increasingly large cohort that says that it's absolutely brilliant and it's wildly misunderstood from when it came. It's difficult. You make me want to revisit it. It's a really tough watch. It's not easy. And I think partly you might still recoil from it because it's a really harsh film in all kinds of ways. Not for me. Definitely not for you. But it's brilliant. It's absolutely extraordinary. So yeah, it's... Is that the crux of this message? Well, listen, no, no, no. So Elliot says, yeah, so he recalls there were some very negative reviews on first release I thought it had been critically reappraised by most of the time by boy I watched the show for the first time this year and got to see Fire Walk With Me in the cinema a few months ago personally I think it's a masterpiece but it's clear why it was divisive I know I'm exceptionally late to the party but I was only 12 when the return came out so that's my excuse so what were your reactions to Fire Walk With Me at the time and how do you feel about Twin Peaks in general looking back love the pod keep up the good work So, I mean, I guess I'll just answer that.

49:09I hated it when I first saw it. I think, ultimately, it just wasn't what I was looking for. It wasn't what I wanted it to be. That said, Twin Peaks, the second series of Twin Peaks, is all over the shop, so... And was largely disowned by David Lynch, wasn't it? So, the first season of it is genius. I have a lot of time for season two with the Tarantulas and Windermere and all that nonsense, but it's definitely a lesser season. Twin Peaks, The Return, I had... You didn't like that either, did you? I really didn't like it. I really, really, really didn't like it. And I think it's one of these shows that some people do genuinely think is a modern masterpiece.

49:42Sight and sound, pretentious individuals that they are, named it their film of the year, which might be the most irritating thing anyone's ever done in print. But they did that, and I still haven't quite got over it. And I'm like, I think I wrote a piece about this for the magazine, like a bit about why it was infuriating me. And I just, I know it's not what you'd necessarily class as pretentious, because this is just David Lynch, right? but there are moments where it's just like 20 minutes of just like static noise and there's someone oozing out of a plug socket and you're just like oh fuck off with this shit I just cannot even with this I really can't and it just I couldn't deal with it because like Twin Peaks is quirky and it's surreal but it's a whodunit like it's got a narrative to it it's got a story Twin Peaks The Return it's like it's like an it's like an ASMR acid trip nightmare of just like imagery and sound You say that like It's a bad thing.

50:34I just, yeah. Look, I need a plot and a story. First of all, the question wasn't even about Teresa Turner. It was about the film. I believe he mentioned both. Firewall with me. Yeah. Did he mention both? Okay. Anyway, but my reaction was very similar to the correspondent, Kay, in answer to his question. Was it him? Yes. I didn't like the film either when it came out. I found it, it's so challenging. I found it kind of annoying and pretentious. But then it is, the reassessment is fully, is full. And I watched it like probably five years ago again for the first time and thought it was incredible and watched it again recently.

51:06It's out on Criterion Blu-ray, by the way. Oh, okay. I believe. And it is phenomenal. And I don't love every single episode of The Return, just meant to return, but it is incredible stuff. I love most of it. Like, the Atomic Bomb episode is stunning. Incredible episode of TV. One of the best episodes of TV of all time, you could say. So, opinions differ on Twin Peaks. Yeah. I was about to say I'm in the minority. I'm probably not necessarily in the... I mean, certainly in one of some very divided camps on that. And it could just be that I'm a bit basic and I just cannot appreciate art. Maybe that is it.

51:43It's another film discussion, but the film... Sorry, Kay's literally lost to the will to live. I've just slumped. Okay, here's a question. I'm physically slumped in my chair. What would Kay make of Twin Peaks The Return? Oh, she'd hate it. Yeah, yeah. He knows me so well. I was going to try and sing that to you. I'm not going to. The David Lynch film that I have most trouble with, though, is... In Razorhead? No. Inland Empire Oh Inland Empire is three hours don't forget of footage shot on the cheapest like digital camera for some reason because at the time he was like oh let's I'm going to go digital I'm going to be ahead of the game and from the whole thing like on a camcorder pretty much not even an iPhone it was like pre and it just looks shit and it's boring and I just couldn't get on with it at all but again some people think that's a masterpiece so but that's the one that's the one David Litch thing I just cannot get on with What do you think of Eraserhead?

52:32Oh, I love Eraserhead. It's fantastic. Upsetting. It's just upsetting. Yeah. I mean, all David Lynch is... Sorry, now we're literally getting into an Empire magazine discussion with David Lynch. Yeah. The ranking. Let's do the ranking of David Lynch. You must have done that in the magazine, right? I definitely didn't take part in it. Oh, okay. Because I don't... You were banned for your... Yeah. I mean, the man ruined Dune. But I don't get on with his very kind of surreal interpretive filmmaking. I saw Dune. One more thing came before you... I mean, it's fine because I'm totally zoned out now.

53:02You're doing your emails like he does when we're talking about stuff. June came out when I was on an interrailing trip with four friends around Europe. And we were in France. I think we were in either Nice or Cannes. I'm paying attention now. I was so excited about the fact that June was... Because I'd read June books and I played the board game and I knew David Lynch as a director. And I thought this is going to be the best thing ever. And I dragged my friends, my 18-year-old friends, to see fucking June. So they still taught you? Barely. It was literally like, what the fuck have you done? What is this shit?

53:36It is quite boring. It's very boring. It's really slow and boring. And I had to like, I was devastated. I think we had to walk out. I think we walked out halfway through. Yeah, so it's my June recollection. Carry on. Thank God for Denny Villeneuve. Right, that's it for the postbag. If you want to send your messages in, it's pilotTV at empiremagazine.com. We would very much like to hear from you. Please don't at me about David Lynch. right on the regular podcast on Monday we will have Stephen Merchant on talking about everything except The Walking Dead we will also be reviewing Art Detectives It, Welcome to Derry and the latest series of Trigger Point exciting times right we will see you then until that moment pilot out

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