PLUS Margo’s Got Money Troubles

0:07Fanny, Pfeiffer, Kinnear, Offerman, they're all stars of this week's special bonus review of Margot's Got Money Troubles on Apple TV. and my splendid colleagues, Stephanie Seelan and Kay Ribeiro, are with me to present this week's episode of Pilot Plus because James, our leader and inspiration, has decided to take... Oh, my God. Laughing at that idea. Has decided to take a whole bloody week off. It is extraordinary. Do you know why? You go on, Steph. Big lazy bastard. Big lazy bastard, yeah. Hold on a minute. Hold on, you've missed the whole important point that it brings me and Kay back together on this very pod.

0:56It does bring yourself, Steph, and yourself, Kay, back together. Boyd. For this very special episode hosted by myself, Boyd Horton, while we cope with James' absence. What a shambles already this is. Yeah, and also what a crime to language there, yourself, myself. Get out. Yes, it's a different joke. It's a reference. Oh, God. Well, the whole thing. Should we just stop? Should we just go? Should we just stop here? Yeah. I tell you who's going to come out of this world, which is James, because he doesn't manage to hold it together. And you know what? His evil plan has succeeded. He's like, you know what?

1:32I'm going to throw those three in there and just see what happens. Steph, just as an interlude, right? Once before, he actually said to me on a couple of occasions that he thought I should host it when he was off. And I, because I've always credited him with how much work it takes and like his good intros, et cetera, et cetera. and he finally revealed because I was like why are you so determined for me to do it and basically I think it's that he wanted me to fail for me to understand how much he goes through and I was like I already understand but anyway so it's not too late you can still host this week's main Pilot TV podcast I'm good I'll do it next time which are recording tomorrow okay I'm absolutely I'd be absolutely delighted if either of you hosted it in James' absence but I feel like you're both busy independent women was shit to do.

2:19We've got a lot of shit to do. Let's remember, we're in a job share, okay? Yeah. For a reason. Yeah. Not least because you and James are so intolerable. We are the intolerable patriarchy writ large within the world of podcasting. You'll hear my voice is slightly worn out today because I've been emotionally wrecked by our performance on Saturday against Bournemouth. I'm so sorry. Thank you. Thanks, Sarah. Yeah. Do you know what? Can I just say? My little nephew who lives in Bournemouth, he lives in Bournemouth, right? But he is a massive Arsenal fan. Time to move. Okay. No, well, he's a massive Arsenal fan, right?

3:01And little Xander, he said to his father of the result, he said, I now hate it here. I now hate Bournemouth. I'm going to leave. Oh, wow. He's going to displace himself because his team were beaten by his hometown. Fair enough. Just listen, you know, I'm loathe to ask, but just for a sense of completion to explain to the listeners and to me, what was the damn score? It was 2-1 to Bournemouth at home. It was just a defeat, you know, defeat. Not slashing. No, no, no. Not fine. Not fine. There's six games to go. Anyway, let's not get bogged down. You're riding high. Come on. It's fine. Well, yeah.

3:38Let's not get bogged down in that whole football discussion because we've got lots to get through while James is away watching his Lord of the Rings extended edition DVDs. And we've got some stuff to review. Specifically, Margot's Got Money Troubles, the aforementioned star-studded new drama series on the Apple television. It stars Elle Fanning, Michelle Pfeiffer, Nicole Kidman, Greg Kinnear, Nick Offerman. It's adapted from a 2024 novel by Rufy Thorpe by David E. Kelly, the incredibly productive David E. Kelly, who did Big Little Lies. He did that thing with... Ally McBeal. Ally McBeal. Originally, yeah.

4:21Just Ally McBeal. Just stop there. That's enough. It's an interesting story of a woman who resorts, eventually, to taking part in the OnlyFans phenomenon, which, by the way, there are at least two, if not three, other TV dramas coming up that also have an OnlyFans storyline. it is the way forward. Listen, it's a popular revenue stream, Boyd. Well, I know it's very popular.

4:51We'll get to that later. Kay? Yes. What money troubles have you got, and did Margot deal with them sufficiently? Well, listen, just from the off, if I ever experience money troubles, I will be coming to Boyd of Bank. Boyd of Bank? The Bank of Boyd, even. The Bank of Boyd. I think you're more likely to get Boyd a bank, whatever that is. Boyd a bank is my new... A Celtic financial institution of some kind. I will be going to you, Boyd. But no, as you say, this is from the legendary showrunner, David E. Kelly. And I didn't know, and I know I'm late to the party, you guys will know, and I'm terribly slow, but I didn't realise he was married.

5:32He is married to Michelle Pfeiffer. So of all the three decades... The three decades they've been together, this is the first time she has starred in one of his shows. And I have to say, it's a fantastic role because she plays single mum, Cheyenne, who is a former Hooters waitress and the mum of Margot, said Margot of the title. And what happens is basically Margot falls pregnant. She's a young college student who has aspirations of becoming a writer and then falls prey to or falls for the charms of her college professor, her English college professor, who woos her with, frankly, terrible poetry and promises to get her into a reputable, a very good university, help her with her application and actually knocks her up, gets her pregnant.

6:21And despite everyone, including her mum and the professor trying to convince her to have an abortion, she refuses to have a termination and has a baby. And it's about how she deals with motherhood and the financial implications of that. and as Boyd has spoiled, she goes into OnlyFans. I really enjoyed this. I thought this was great. I think Elle Fanning is really good as Margot, as this sort of trouble, not trouble, she has these aspirations, as I said, of being this writer and she has this great future planned out for her, but she falls victim to this notion that she's found this guy who loves her when in fact he's just obviously quite calculated and is trying to have his way with her and he's got a very lovely life.

7:06You feel really sad for her because she thinks it's the real deal and actually he's just a bit of a shit. And Michelle Fiver, who is her mum, she's sort of experienced everything that Margot's gone through. She had her very young and she kind of doesn't want her daughter to make the same mistakes. And she's loving her life currently and doesn't really want to be a grandma. But it's about how, it's the dynamics between those two that I think is really intriguing. The mother-daughter dynamic, which Steph, as we all know, is a very interesting dynamic to behold we do we do know that and um and yeah i just i just really i thought it was really funny and tender and sweet and i only watched one episode but i know that nick is it offerman he's gonna come up he's gonna um appear as her dad who's a i think he's a pro ex-pro wrestler with addiction issues so yeah throw that into the mix it's gonna be even more entertaining so yeah i i ended up because i'm a massive parks and rec fan which i'm always talking about and say and I love Nick Offerman so for me when I knew he was in the cast I was like well I need to find out I need to get to where he's in it and he's actually doesn't appear till the very last scene of the second episode so if you're waiting for Nick Offerman that's where you're going to find him what a listener service that is already do you know what I mean like yeah fast forward to the last scene um yeah and Nick Offerman Kidman doesn't arrive until I believe the fourth episode yeah because I've yeah I've watched three and Kidman's not in it so much so that I was questioning wikipedia and like are you sure nicole kidman's in this because she she hasn't appeared so far she's a starry cast it's a it's very starry so yeah i i think one of the main things about this is what a role for michelle pfeiffer she is having the time of her life not in just she gets the best lines she gets the best outfits she is obviously i mean unbelievable what a woman she looks incredible and one of my favorite lines in this is there's a point where she's doubting her skills as a grandmother because she can't take care of this baby without this baby crying.

9:04And she's sitting on a bench and she's crying saying, I just can't do anything. I'm only good at being pretty. And it's just the way she delivers the lines. She's a great comedic actress. And I'm also watching The Madison at the moment. So to see her trying to traverse these two roles is like real extremes is incredible. Yeah. So she's having the time of her life it's brilliant I love the whole concept of it there is a lot of boob in this there is a lot of Elle Fanning is very out there with the nudity and the boobs and what I think is really interesting is the boobs go from being kind of you know the boobs that are for the professor to the boobs that are for the baby so you really see the the arc of the boob do you know what I mean which I think is interesting and then obviously and then also OnlyFans boob OnlyFans booth oh god yeah and there is a there is a scene where she kind of starts to think about this only fans thing and she's something happens and she does something in front of a mirror and she and she says i think people would pay for this you can imagine she's a woman she's a breastfeeding woman you can imagine what happens anyway um but the thing that's going to keep me watching is um nick offerman who has been an absent father um and a pro he's a pro wrestler she has a flatmate Susie Who is obsessed With pro wrestling Thaddea Graham Yeah Thaddea Graham Who is from Bad Sisters Oh is she I didn't watch I didn't watch Bad Sisters Sorry I'm sure she was The detective The young upstart detective Who was trying to Catch the sisters out And was constantly Put in her place Yeah She's great in this She's absolutely great So and she's In the first episode Elle's character Margot realises That her Flatman is obsessed with but it doesn't reveal that's her father.

10:52So as I said, he comes up at the end of episode two. But the thing that's going to keep me watching is his redemption arc because you find out why he left and why Michelle Fofer became a single mother. But yeah, his redemption, I mean, all of the characters are really, really interesting and they've all got enough about them that you want to keep watching. But for me, because I love Nick Offerman so much, that's the thing that really excited me, which has kept me watching to episode three. But yeah, I'm very excited to see how Nicole Kidman does in this as well. But yeah, I loved it. I thought it was great.

11:22I thought it was really original. I watched an interview with Michelle Pfeiffer where she was talking about working with Elle again, because they'd worked together when she was really little. And she said it was amazing to see her again coming back as, and she was a really powerful woman. Obviously, she's exec produced this as well. And you can see that Elle Fanning, she owns that screen. And you can really see that in this. And that made me really happy. So yeah, she's owning it. She's putting her body out there, but it feels very much like she's in complete control of this production. That's how it felt to me watching it.

11:54But yeah, loved it. Absolutely loved it. What about you, Boydo? Yeah, well, I'm about to say, Kay. I think it's interesting that there is a lot of nudity. And Elle Fanning, who's, by the way, is having a brilliant time in her career because she was in the film Sentimental Value, which is Oscar nominated. and she's fantastic at that, kind of playing, almost like herself, playing a young Hollywood star who's clearly not based entirely on her, but exactly the sort of person she is in real life. But as you say, she's very exposed, literally, in this show, but it never feels exploitative and it always feels like, whereas if you compare it to Euphoria, which is still uppermost in my mind, from, which as we record this, starts tonight on Sky and HBO Max, that is such a male gaze-y version of female nudity.

12:48Like Sidney Sweeney in that, I feel like you can almost sense the lascivious director, you know, kind of panning upwards and focusing on her breasts, basically. And the whole thing takes place – I'm trying to stop myself and bang on about it – but the whole thing almost takes place in a strip club. You know, there's endless boobage in that show, relentless, and it does feel exploitative. And I was trying to think, when I was watching it, I was thinking, what does a non-exploitative version of this kind of thing look like? And it looks like this. This is a show, by and large, written and created.

13:24I mean, David A. Kelly's adapted from the novel, but there's a lot of female input into this show, and I don't think it does ever fall for the male gaze. So there's that element. She's brilliant, absolutely brilliant, Elle Fanning, as you say. Then you've got really interesting interactions between her mum, the Michelle Pfeiffer character. And I think it's really interesting, quite bold, that Michelle Pfeiffer, as you talked about the scene on the bench with the baby, she just has no maternal instinct towards the grandkid at all, whatsoever. And that's not at all. And I don't think the arc of that story is going to be, oh, in the end she does.

13:58I think it's going to be, no, she just chooses not to, so far at least. And I'm on episode five, I think. So you get that sense of that between her and Margot as well, though. Yeah. Like in the first episode, there's one line I thought was really like quite tender where she sort of is kind of talking to Margot about how she got pregnant when she was young. And Margot sort of says to her, you know, oh, I'm sorry. You know, was I a mistake? Like, I'm sorry. I basically did that to you. And she was like, no, you ruined my life so pretty or something. It's quite a sweet little line. That's beautiful.

14:26That's beautiful. But other than that, you just get the sense that, you know, that maternal instinct or, you know, those feelings don't come easily to her. No, it's almost as if she has a simmering resentment against her own resentment of the situation. Does that make sense in terms of she doesn't want to feel like that. She's resentful that she has any feelings of resentment. She's got this daughter and she loves her daughter and she wants to love this little thing, but she's looking at this. She's seeing history repeat itself. She was a single mother and the father abandoned her. There are some great scenes where she's confronted with um l fanning's father later on um but yeah i i think it's really nice to see that alternative view because obviously not everyone is naturally just maternal are they and and they shouldn't you know that shouldn't be a big issue no exactly but what the twist is that it turns out that um without wanting to spoil it too much is that nick offerman's character is really interesting.

15:28Let's just say that. He's not what you expect. I'm guessing, I'm sensing, reading between the lines, that he's quite paternal. Well, I'm not going to say. Okay. You may say that. He will not be drawn, Kai. He will not be drawn. Possibly not. But in all kinds of ways, he is not what you expect. He's very interesting. And you, as the world's leading, apparently, so we found out, Nick Offerman fan, Steph, you will be delighted to know that he absolutely he's absolutely brilliant in this he's so soulful and kind of believable and as I say unexpected in all kinds of ways that he's really is the star of the show I think I mean I know it's bad to say when the whole thing's about these brilliant women but he's he's so good.

16:11Once again you've brought it back to the men boy do we see that? Yeah I mean no he's like a quiet storm in this isn't he like from what I've seen so far. And also, I would just say him and Megan Mullally are probably my most favourite married couple ever. When it was COVID, I literally watched videos of them doing, they do jigsaw puzzles together. And I watched endless videos of them doing jigsaws just on Instagram. He's a brilliant figure, isn't he? He's brilliant on chat shows. He is incredible. He was in, of course, The Last of Us, the best episode of The Last of Us that was never bettered, no matter what James might think.

16:45You can get away with saying it now that he's not here. I'm saying, I'm saying. So you'll never listen. Yeah. Yeah, and he's also always the best animated character. Whenever he voices an animated character, which he does a lot, he's always the best one. I mean, yeah, Nick Offerman, wonderful. So I feel like you're the founder of the only Offerman fans. Just saying. Watch this space and send tips.

17:07And everyone in it is really good. So it is, I think it's, I think it's, it is really, I was slightly worried about the recent shows that we've watched that haven't been great, that have been a bit of a letdown. I'm sorry, Kay, I include that Dan Levy show in that. Apologies. I know, I know. But this is so much better, I think, than those shows that we've reviewed. It's really well done, isn't it? I like how it's shot as well. Brilliantly shot. It's got a kind of very vivid colour palette. but I think what's interesting is it doesn't necessarily have the most the greatest narrative drive like it's not there isn't a huge amount of dramatic tension or suspense but in yet you want to carry on watching it because there's such interesting characters too and you want to watch the development I'm definitely not going to spoil what Nicole Kidman does because when she arrives it's quite a moment so yeah I think it's really good That's the thing I think you can get away with a lack of drive if you enjoy spending time in the company of those characters.

18:10Like you said, living in the world of these characters is very pleasurable and obviously they're all such big hitters. So it doesn't feel laboured. You're not thinking, oh, something else needs to happen here because you can't... You don't feel shortchanged. You don't feel shortchanged, Kate. Summed it up. You don't feel shortchanged, yeah. Well, Margot's Got Money Troubles is already on Apple TV as we speak, as this goes on Thursday, and it arrived yesterday, Wednesday, the 15th of April, 2026. um moving on i think now you know what now is don't you now is the time to unlock the key to the post bag slash chest ladies and gentlemen it's miss k versus the post bag

19:07God, you've got chest and breasts on your brain. Wow. So, our Lord, our Liege, James, boarded me kindly some messages. Now, just to explain, we got to about, I think, one in the morning last night, British Standard Time, and we're all desperately trying to ascertain from James how to either access the mailbox that people send communications to or just for him to, you know, send us, forward us some of the messages that he's got because we're completely stranded. We've had no content at all, apart from the fantastic review of Margot's Got Money Troubles because he just wasn't, well, I was completely oblivious.

19:51I thought we'd... So what I've done is, I mean, Kay's got some questions which are finally, eventually, at what, I don't know, 6am this morning, he finally relented and let you see them. I love that you're really sticking the boot in because he's running. Oh, I haven't even started. You've been emboldened, Steph, that this sort of happening. Yeah. So I thought, you know what we do? I looked at, do you remember, have you heard of Vogue 73 questions? Yes, of course. Oh, yes. Yeah. So I thought, I looked at that and I thought we could do some of them. I'm not 73, but if we do have time, once we do Kay's, we'll do Kay's opening of the mailbox first.

20:26And then if we've got time, we can do a few questions from Vogue 73 questions. Well done, Boydo. Love this. Yeah, thanks. Great concept. This is so awful. So this morning when I couldn't, when I, who was tasked with the person to do the recording thing, couldn't figure it out, I said, I sent a message to James. And then when I phoned, then he didn't respond to that. And then I had to, I left it half an hour. Then I, then I gave him a FaceTime and I FaceTimed him and I went, I'm not even a call, a FaceTime. No, strictly FaceTime. Full intrusion, full intrusion. Love it. And, and I said, was he halfway up a mountain?

20:58I know he was halfway up the stairs. Fully dressed. Yeah, he was fully dressed. I only know from the top up. That's all I can say. I don't know about his trouser area. I don't know what was happening down below. It's not Euphoria season one. I said to him, don't worry, babe. I'm just going to be five minutes. An hour had elapsed. We had a nice chat. It was fine. It was fine. I think he needs to get time back in lieu of that conversation. He definitely does. You could have just done the podcast. It would have taken longer. Jesus Christ. I said to him, I'm going to try not to call him. And he went, it's okay, Steph.

21:31So, no, I definitely can call him and will be for the rest of the week. Okay, let's go. Kay, I can't believe, Kay, you've got the postbag back. I'm going to pick these at random, starting with this one, which is entitled Gourmet Burger Show Fail. And it's from, oh my God, the brilliantly named Douglas Belch. Right. That is a great name. Isn't it fantastic? Yeah. He says, hello, James Boyd, and whatever part-timer joins this week. I only joke, I love Stephen Kay. Well saved, Douglas. Oh, you saved that at the end. Dougie B. Well done. Right. He said, I was watching Gourmet Burger Show Hijack season two, and I just couldn't get into it at all.

22:10In fact, I fell asleep during the first and second episodes, which normally only my missus does. So like James would do, I've resigned it to the sofa list, never to be seen again. So my question to you guys is, what Gourmet Burger Show just didn't work for you, even with the lavish locations, great actors, and tons of money thrown at it? Keep up the good work. love the pod Doug Belch listen Doug I'm going to say I'm going to agree with you on hijack I I started it and I was like no this is not for me I can't do it and I loved the first hijack so I'm with you on that and I have mentioned this before but I am going to say it again because people you know people people need to feel good if they also didn't like it severance everybody goes on about how good severance is and I just I just I just don't think it is that good it's as simple as that okay do you have a gourmet burger i don't know if you'd actually classify this as a burger gourmet or otherwise but i just remember always being so disappointed in riviera right i don't know if anyone remembers this it was on sky i mean it had a shed load of money thrown at it um and it had a relative you know had a good cast julia Styles uh Lena Olin Dimitri Liodis and it was so lavish and luxe and like had good talent behind it and I just wanted to love it and I just thought it was diabolical and I'll never forget that it always sticks in my head as like with all that money and that talent behind in front the camera and behind I just cannot get over the fact that it it ended up where it was it sounds like you're still not over it i'm just gonna i don't i don't want to i don't want to trigger you but it does sound like you're still not over let's actually tell you why steph it's so yes it's so my kind of show right it's so like set abroad you know the glamorous world of the rich and um all about the family politics and dynamics it should be something that is absolute catnip for me and so i think i was just yeah i remember going on a lot to boyd at the time i was sitting next to each other because i was just like how how is this possible when so much money is behind it but Yeah, anyway.

24:17That's such a good answer to this question that I'm suspicious that you've had prior sight of these questions and you had extra time to prepare. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on a minute, Boyd. Okay. Firstly, okay, back off. Yeah. Okay. And secondly, maybe she's just able to like immediately recall something that was so disappointing. We've already established she was triggered by it. Listen, while I am very like thankful to my Doberman for stepping in there my protection any time but you know the truth of it is Steph my recall is horrendous these Boyd and James both know that I'm literally when put on the spot I just power down and either refuse to answer the question or do a question that's adjacent to it no obviously before we came on I had to I opened my eyes and I looked at the emails and then yeah I looked at it fully and but I already knew when I saw that I instantly I couldn't remember the title I had to look up Julia Stiles' drama, but yeah, it came up.

25:18You're absolutely right, though. That was a real disappointment, bearing in mind the star power and the talent behind it. The money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was a nothing burger. I'm having trouble thinking of the answer, but what comes to mind, I'm not sure if it quite is a gourmet burger. It was a potential gourmet burger. I guess all these things in the end turn out to be burgers rather than gourmet burgers, so to speak. So I'm going to throw in the legendary Butterfly, which was the show we discussed, we reviewed with Russell T. Davis on the live pilot TV show last year, which is this kind of espionage spy thriller.

25:58It was pretty expensive looking, and it did star Daniel Dae Kim, who's a, you know, sought-after actor and Piper Parabo and people like that. It was such a generic, mediocre burger in the end. As proven by the fact that you couldn't sum it up on stage, right? Yeah, it was impossible to sum up. But that was partly because Russell T Davies was brilliantly grilling me about every single aspect of it while I was basically really depressed. Live trolling. It was brilliant stuff. It was brilliant. Live trolling, yeah. Was it a limited series, that? Well, I think it wasn't supposed to be. I think it was supposed to be a returning series, but it was so shit.

26:34After points drubbing, it instantly got nicks if there was a second series. Yeah, I think it was a prime video show. And Prime Video has a whole kind of collection of fairly generic espionage thrillers, most of which James, by the way, and I'll talk about him again in his absence, seems to lap up. But even he had to draw the line of Butterfly because it was so - Oh, did he? Yeah, it was so lame. I kind of think the same of the other - What was the one that you always say I fancy him? The Night Agent. Oh, no, The Night Man. The Night Agent. Yeah, The Night Agent is - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another disappointing burger.

27:09Yeah. The only noticeable thing about The Night - Oh, no, I love The Night Agent. Do you? I feel like Not the night manager Not the night manager No I know I know No the night agent The one with that sexy guy I thought you liked Tim K Well this is the thing I once said it on the pod And then it became a running joke It's the most interesting thing About that show Is the alleged K fondness For the main star Yeah Okay I just think Steph Like it is It's entertaining But I think it It doesn't quite deliver It should be better Than it is That's my feeling It's no diplomat. Considering the different locations.

27:43Yeah. That's a Netflix show. The diplomat is, of course, the inspiration for the whole gourmet burger phrase. And that is what every TV show should aspire to in that world of espionage and thrillers and things like that. Can I just come back to my answer? Because I want to know. Because I believe that you two both like Severance. And I want to know why you like it so much. I can't recall it. I don't think I was a fan. Okay, Boyd, why do you think it's good? Well, it's got a brilliant premise for a start, which is the whole idea of people going to work in the daytime and having separate incarnations.

28:25Oh, yeah, severance. Yes. Yeah, severance. You do know. I know. Sorry. Brain fog. Yeah. The whole idea of it is brilliant. and the ramifications of that whole idea whereby everyone, well, actually not everyone, most people have these two lives, two separate lives, and neither side of that divides between working and leisure time and family time and the one half of you not knowing what the other half has been doing is just fascinating. Yeah, but is it fascinating for as many series as that? I know what you mean. There are people who don't like it, like you. And I get why. It unfolds quite steadily and slowly, and it reserves a lot.

29:20It's all about what the hell is going on, this company. Why are they doing what they're doing? What's the big thing that they're all creating, if you like? Why are they so ruthless, kind of in the end, quite violent? It's quite an oppressive regime, this company. That's the other thing. It's kind of a comment on corporate, you know, in late capitalism, corporate exploitation of the workers. So it's got that element to it, which I think is interesting. And I think it's brilliantly made. It's incredibly striking, you know, looking. Yeah, for sure. Lots of reasons. Yeah. But I get why it is quite – that takes a long time to unravel its mysteries, I would say.

30:02So I think that's a valid – I think people some people go I'm done I've heard enough let's move on well that's what happened with me I was like oh I'm going to say something it was a bit I just thought oh this is like one note this is what happens and that's it they've just I think there were quite a few notes but yeah okay unfair of me then okay I'll take that on board well you're often unfair but that's fine outrageous it's coming for both of us Kay it's standard with him okay now to a message entitled shrinking Steph yes hi Pilateers hope you're well just curious on k and or steph's views on the last episode of the season of this season of shrinking i thought it was absolutely beautiful and had me in buckets of tears harrison ford in particular dug deep with his performance and as another completely unrelated aside i was gobsmacked to start watching justified great show and see the pits katherine lanassa as a guest star so so young are there any moments brackets james especially with his rewatches where you were blown away to find a popular actor now who was in a much smaller role 10 to 20 years ago that's a great question um should we start with shrinking k were you happy with that oh i i couldn't agree more i thought it was really really beautiful it it was uh the more um interviews i don't know about you k i mean k and i have probably got so much shrinking on our instagram algorithms that we're always presented with these because sometimes i send them to k and i know she's probably seen them but i get them and she gets them um interviews that harrison ford little snippets of things that they've said about shrinking and the more I watch Harrison Ford interviews the more I realize he is just playing Harrison Ford in shrinking as he is now and it's that makes it even more wonderful and authentic when he does a scene like that which is so powerful and beautiful because you know it really is coming from the heart and I watched um I watched a clip of of a speech he did to the crew whilst they were in that scene do you remember that one I think we talked about it actually okay and at the end when that scene had wrapped he was talking to them all about how much he loved working with all of them and it and it was as beautiful as the end scene of shrinking we don't want to give him any spoilers but as the end scene of shrinking which does see him and jason siegel and it is lovely and if you don't want shrinking yes it's beautiful it's beautiful so yeah um yeah i do love i loved i loved the final episode and i thought it wrapped it up so neatly and satisfyingly and that's why I was worried when news came out that there was going to be a fourth season because I was like no they always said it was going to be a three series arc and it's you know it's so well done that last episode and the last series where all the characters end up and their future plans I thought to undo that would be a mistake but last week I was reading an article where Bill Lawrence had sort of spoken about series four and said it has been wrapped up obviously in this three series arc but they'll do a jump forward so you know that'll be interesting that will be really interesting okay i guess they have to do because otherwise it's you know they would have undone the good work in a way of that neat yeah final episode but yeah it's that's i found it so emotional so sort of like joyful and just it just did each of the characters justice this you know we've been on this journey with them for so long and we've seen their various you know issues and traumas and their friendships growing and um i just i just think they handled it incredibly well so props to the writers there's something about the show and and especially by the end of this season it just it fills your emotional cup very satisfyingly doesn't it yeah yeah um i don't have an answer for for the second part of the question i don't have an answer so Boyd, that's absolutely your territory now.

33:53Take it away.