PLUS My Brilliant Career

0:07Welcome to Pilot Plus, your extended guide to every show that matters. This week, we're here to talk about my brilliant career. No, no, not mine, but rather the show on Netflix. This is a six-part Australian television period drama. And it is, of course, based on the novel by Miles Franklin, which has previously been other things. It was a film. Do we know about it? Have you seen the film, Boydie? A 1979 film? Years ago. Years ago. Years ago. Had Sam Neill in it. Yeah, yeah. All good films have Sam Neill in, surely. All good films have the late, great Sam Neill in them. That is absolutely true.

0:38but this one stars philip and northeast and christopher chung slow horses is roddy ho which is very very exciting and the story follows sybilla and she is played by philip and northeast and she is growing up in rural australia in a town called i believe possum gulch which is and i've checked my notes the most australian place on the face of the earth but anyway she moves to live with her grandmother in the early 20th century with ambitions well her grandmother's ambitions of finding her a husband a suitable match but she however is far more interested in becoming a writer that is until she meets roddy ho christopher jung himself and things take a slightly different turn or do they we shall see so boydy would you like to talk briefly about my brilliant career not my brilliant career but my brilliant career i'd like to talk about my brilliant career and you have a brilliant career well like you're retiring now i think yeah Maybe you know something I don't.

1:34We've all got brilliant careers, let's face it. Oh, God, that sounds awful. This is intriguing. I mooted. This was a mooting by me that we should review this show because this is one of those shows. These days, Netflix puts out about two or three new things every week, pretty much. Although when it gets to the month, they kind of conk out. They don't bother. But this was lost in the morass of TV that we review on the show, on Pilot TV. and I started reading reviews of it online and then they started getting think pieces online. You know something is becoming a proper pop culture phenomenon when, you know, like Vogue is writing about it and this, that and the other.

2:12And there are big lavish photo shoots with one of the main stars, i.e. Christopher Chung, getting his biceps out for like hot fashion photography. Hot rod indeed. Hot rod, exactly. And of course that is, let's face it, the main element of interest, I think I can speak for all of us here, is Christopher Chung showing what he can do outside of the brilliant character of Roddy, who was, of course, the main focus of the last season of Slow Horses. And he was absolutely brilliant. And we interviewed him for the podcast. He's a lovely guy, very funny. And to see him in this role, it's quite striking because he's kind of playing this guy that everyone fancies.

2:50He gets to take his shirt off at regular intervals to show how ripped he is. And by the way, did men look like that back in the early 90s? Yes, because they were working the fields. Okay. Especially in Australia where they were doing droving and like, you know, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. It looks like he's got a gym locally to him as well in the Gulch. What's that place called again? I believe it was called Possum Gulch. Possum Gulch in Possum Gulch. Possum Gulch. So it's intriguing to see him in a role that could not be more different from Roddy. Because Roddy is obviously a complete bellend of the highest order and says stuff that is preposterous.

3:28every other line that comes out of his mouth is idiotic. Whereas in this, he's kind of the cool guy that people fall for. Even the kind of matriarchal figure of Mrs. Bossier, played by Anna Chancellor, a.k.a. Duckface from Foreign Easy Funeral. She's like this kind of, you know, very bossy, proper woman who's decided that Sibylla should be looked after in her lavish house and before she, in quotes, comes out to society and all of that. and she's quite a forbidding victor but even she falls for Christopher Chung's character Harry at the drop of an eyelid she's like oh you're wonderful blah blah blah and they all love him and he pulls it off I mean he is really charismatic and funny and hot and ripped and he's got all the credentials he needs to make that character work and Philippa North East as Sybilla I think she's fantastic she's the lead and she's in pretty much every scene because the whole thing is seen from her point of view she is in a writing story about what we're seeing happening to her on the screen, to the extent that she literally kind of covers over what we've just seen in the first episode, in the beginning of the second episode, and she's looking through all her notes, and this is kind of how it works, because she is a completely aspiring writer.

4:42She wants to be a novelist. That's her role in life. She doesn't want to be bothered by having to be assigned to a man to marry in an arranged marriage situation, which is still going on, you know, even then in Australian society in the 1900s. So it's got all the elements of a traditional period romance, but as created by Liz Doran, the guy who wrote the novel is a man, Miles Franklin. I was about to say, the woman who wrote the novel, Miles Franklin is a woman. Miles Franklin is Stella Maria Sarah Miles Franklin. Well, there you go. And there is a very much a kind of proto-feminist message in this whole thing.

5:20and in fact not just one message but it's kind of quite relentlessly rammed home that we want Sibola is like a woman there's like a prototype feminist hero isn't she hero heroine and she is literally telling us that constantly that she shouldn't bow to the whims of the men in her life and she's trying to rebel against all of that to the point where the end of the first episode she does this thing that um is of course framed in the beginning of the first episode as well because you've got to have a framing device one week two weeks earlier whatever it is at the beginning Anyway, she does this outrageous thing, and everyone's shocked and stunned.

5:54And yeah, you kind of believe it, you buy it because she's so good in the role. And I think it is well written. It's beautifully shot as well. It's got this nice golden hue to it in a lot of the scenes. I really liked it. I think it's a cut above your average period drama. It's very entertaining. It's funny. Yeah, what's not to love? Well, well, well. It's no Little House on the Prairie, is it, Steph? Well, or is it? Boys, at 1400 hours on Sunday, I started watching My Brilliant Career. By 2300 hours, I had finished watching My Brilliant Career. And I have a whole list of reasons why that happened.

6:38Okay. Oh, wow. Right. Because this was already out on Netflix, I made sure that I didn't read anything about it and I didn't read any reviews because I don't like to do that. Because when things were already out, people have already made their mind up and I was like, I'm just going to watch this. And after I'd watched the first episode, I was like, yeah, I'm going to have to finish this today. So firstly, Philippa North East. If Rachel Weiss and Rose Byrne had a child together and that child also had their acting prowess, it would be Philippa North East. She is so stunning in this role. And I was immediately besotted with this character of Sabella Melvin, absolutely besotted with her because she dominates the screen and her performance is so captivating.

7:36Harry Beecham, oh my God. So of course this has Bridgerton vibes. This has kind of Australian Bridgerton vibes, right? And it's even got the kind of requisite coming out of a lake see-through white shirt, which you have to have. I'm going to try and really hard not to spoil anything because I have watched the whole thing. And if you start watching this, I will, and you don't and you don't feel like you have to binge the whole thing I'd be really surprised because I just wanted to know what happened to Sabella so badly I love anything with kind of First Nations people in it and there's two storylines with First Nations people that work for the Bossier family um which are beautiful and tender and incredibly well drawn it's it's that to me was absolute magic um yeah so subplots there's unexpected twists there's you know people hiding secrets um but at the center this female protagonist who there's something about kind of the unmatched joy of watching a woman because it is very much rooted in a feminist story finding a woman who in many ways kind of falls in love with herself identifies her passion um you know desires in the early 1900 hundreds to have something of her own um it's it's about female empowerment at its very best with this this just unbelievably lovable character and she's just fun and she i love being with her and seeing what she was going to do next and her unpredictable behavior um i i just found it so uplifting and so wonderful for all the right reasons because when you you think it's kind of going a certain way and it doesn't go that way and it's funny and even so harry's aunt the woman who plays harry's aunt which basically she looks a little bit like a cracked out bet middler and she's she's great as well doesn't she she's she's fantastic and and you've got this sort of collection of women and it's it's they're all they're all sort of have they've all got this open secret that they want more and they want they want to own property and you know things are changing.

9:48It's the turn of the century. So the other thing that I love about this, which was done in Bridgerton, which was to incredible effect, is using contemporary music. And there's a great, and I think it's episode four, there's a Kylie song in it. And for me, that was joyful. That was absolutely joyful. There's a dance and a Kylie song is used. Yeah. Do you know what? Australians. And little fact, do you know who is Phillip and North East's partner no it's only lestat in it it's only sam reed wow oh my god what you've done here steph is you've made amends you've made amends to the family because i was like oh no but you guys she's just intoxicating she was intoxicating as an actress and in this like i said you know every so often we get we review something and i i get to i i binge the whole thing because i can't just stop watching like I did with Small Prophets and Laughs in the Prairie and various other things.

10:47But this, I was like, I can't stop. I could not stop watching it. But yeah, I've just got no notes on this. It's magical. And clearly other people have no notes if it's getting all the applaudits that it definitely should get. Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was wonderful. Please, please, please tell me that you two are going to continue watching this after James. You tell me you love it. I've watched two. You know the scene where she suddenly gets everyone dancing? Is that the end of episode one or two episode one that's the it's the crazy dancing it reminded me i'm not allowed to mention this show because james isn't allowed to mention friends and but it's it's so much like the bad dancing scene in seinfeld where julia louis dreyfus oh yeah yeah do you remember elaine does the bad dancing she's renowned for a bad dancing to the point where everyone's embarrassed to bring it up and the dancing in that fc is the same kind of dancing that elaine does in Seinfeld.

11:38Anyway, carry on, James. Yeah. So, I just want to mention as well, the other kind of sort of love interest, Frank Loudon, the guy who plays Frank Loudon, is unreal. He's also brilliant. Jake Dunn, who is from What It Feels Like for a Girl, the brilliant adaptation of that book. And he is scary in that show. So, he's another one who's showing, he's like a scary sex worker slash kind of small-time criminal and who completely could not be more different, again, from the role he plays in this. because he's a sweet kind of guy who's a bit of a doofus, but generally a good guy. But I think the performances are so good in this that they have shed the skin of previous characters.

12:17That's how I felt, indeed. James, how did you feel? I feel I need to make an important correction, which is that it is, in fact, Possum Gully, which is the more Australian place. But then, funnily enough, Possum Gulch, interestingly, is a 2019 novel by Jennifer Moonsong, in case you were wondering. that's why you got confused yeah if you want like a a kind of love story come period drama come coming of age story this is 100 it's a lot of coming in that sense a lot of coming in this and there is a little bit of it in the show as well which is good uh but also like christopher chung talked about this about how he he feared a lot that his career would be defined by playing quote-unquote asian characters and you know he thought that like kind of the the asian best friend was going to be his lot and you know obviously roddy ho is a fantastic character but i think it's really great this he's got to play this almost like colorblind cast character as harry beecham which was the sam neill role in the film um and he's so good in it because a he is ripped to fuck hot rod as we've said but also like he's he's charming but arrogant sort of cocksure but also with kind of a sweetness to him there's a whole thing with some apples in the first episode um and you become very very rooted in what is or is not going to go on between those two because as you said stuff like she's like very much like she you know they may be it may be all about introducing her to society and her finding a man and there's some financial stuff going on as well but that's not what she wants she wants to be married to herself she wants to be a writer she has literally no interest in falling in love that's not what she's there for she wants experience she wants fuel for her writings um and you know it's it's it's yeah it's a it's a really fun role i don't know where this goes i've not read the book or in fact let's be honest seen the film back in the day um but yeah i had a really good time with it surprisingly so given the title which uh wrong footed me ever so slightly yeah i am gonna urge you both to finish this because it's so brilliant what happens i just think you will miss out if you don't watch all of it um and as i said i started at 1400 hours and i finished at 2300 hours and in between i cooked dinner and that is mad though Steph you must accept that you need help no that is the mark of a truly unputdownable show I just you know I just I must admit I didn't have that experience with it I didn't find it was unputdownable I was like you know I could watch more of this or not you know it's fine yeah but once you get to midway through the second episode then you can't you literally can't stop oh yeah I want I watched the second episode yeah it's really it's great I if I had time I will I will finish it definitely props to Genevieve O 'Reilly as well.

14:56Yes. Who plays her aunt and is of course brilliant in audience. Brilliant. Always brilliant. Indeed. That's right. Mon Mothma herself. Exactly. My Brilliant Career then, which lands on the Netflix in the past because it's already on the Netflix and you can watch it whenever you so choose. I'm telling everyone to watch it. I'm telling everyone to watch it because it will just fill you with joy and hope and wonderment. You've said it on this podcast. That is the equivalent of telling everyone to watch it, right? Yes, that is. I've already told. What I am doing now is exactly what I want to do because I'm an empowered woman and that is telling you to watch it because it's amazing.

15:31Do you think your version of my brilliant career is going to be crime monthly? I'm telling you now, nothing has made me want to step back into the 1900s and start a writing career more than this show. Do 1900s crime? I sometimes do do 1900s. Well, as we know, the new monster is going to be what's-her-face, isn't it? Lizzie Borden. Yes, yes. Yeah, coming soon. Yeah, yeah. In about a few weeks. this having a moment babe clearly it is okay that is enough for the review section let us move on to the post bag

16:07and the post bag it seems is kind of revisiting a few different things now we've had a few messages which are all along the lines of furious about furious except i feel like we've already addressed this a little bit because on monday's podcast i did do my official mayor culpa on furious um but yes we have a number of people uh philip wrote in as well barbara wrote in as well a lot of people saying you know really really enjoyed the show are absolutely hooked on it so yes it is definitely one if you did not catch monday show it is one that we have revisited and it is well worth looking at i'm not going to read out all of the emails because that would be tedious for everyone but take it from us we were wrong we were wrong i think that was a rare occasion when not a single one of us had gone on to watch a second episode.

16:55I can't remember what was happening that week, but usually at least one of us has gone on to a second episode. So I would just say that's rare. That's very rare. And we got it wrong, but we're holding our hands. I'm literally holding my hands up here now. Yeah, it's really good. I have finished all of Furious now, and it does not disappoint. That's what I'm going to say. So we had a message here from the Colonel, possibly the chicken guy, possibly not, but specifically says that I should go on holiday more often because I've come back inspired because Furious is indeed brilliant as we've just discussed but more than that my love for Serious Tree of Lioness is completely justified he says it's gone up to a different level with less gung-ho behaviour and more espionage with accompanying tension Boy gave it a derisory review after watching two so could I suggest that you agree to watch at least three apps before making judgements no because we have to also live as well as do this podcast so we cannot cannot unfortunately watch three episodes of every show we review or we would die but we do try and watch as many as we can sometimes as in steph's case that will be the entire series and sometimes it is one or two episodes but uh anyway he says he says here however james is very wrong about lioness being sheridan's best this remains mayor of kingstown which none of you have bothered to watch it makes lioness look like barbie uh to be fair two things One, Barbie is great.

18:16And second of all, did I say it was his best? I said it was my favourite. I'm not sure I said it was the best. You said it was your – no, you're correct there. You said it's your new favourite. I cannot be 100 % sure whether you said it's his best, but we have really just having our share of the naissance, aren't we? I'm still in the immersion phase. Yes, so that's okay. Sorry, we do have a steady – there's a steady stream of listeners who remind us about Mare of Kingstown. Yeah, it does happen. It is on my list. It is on my Sheridan list. It is. We have to admit, I have to admit that it's a show I've neglected because, you know, it's on what?

18:53I think they've had four series by now. Quite a few, yeah. Yeah, and it has a lot of devotees who say it is among the best things. Isn't everything done the Sylvester Stallone one? No, no. You're thinking, that's Tulsa King. This is the one with Jeremy Renner. This is Jeremy Renner, yeah. Oh, we should watch that. Oh, maybe that can be our new thing. Yes, maybe that'll be the one. Hey, Arnie's been watching TV shows. Let's do it. Yeah, let's give that a go. Do you know what? A lot of the messages this week are people just taking issue with things that we haven't given credit to where it deserved it.

19:26So this comes from Russ. Russ, not to be confused with Ross. This is Russ, and Russ says, In the recent Shows of the Year So Far episode, I was surprised that Maximum Pleasure Guarantee didn't get a mention. I remember you reviewed the pilot episode favourably. I would have confidently predicted that this is the type of show that sits squarely on the overlap of everyone's tastes on the team. Or maybe I'm completely wrong and I don't know you all as well as I thought. And he says, Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed has been one of my favourites this year with so many plot twists and cliffhanger moments to keep you hooked.

19:56I also cannot remember the last time I rooted for a character as much as Paula, played by the outstanding Tatiana Maslany. I think Boyd really liked that. I think you went back to it. I did really like it. I mean, I think we all really liked it. That's when I learnt about Canboys. like you didn't know about them earlier yeah i'm telling you that's when i learned that people could just call up other people isn't your husband a cam boy he is not a cam boy okay as far as i know well exactly i really like maximum pleasure guaranteed and it was absolutely bubbling under in my in my top uh how many did we do 20 10 no we did 10 but just let us remember that we're all relying on the james maths of that so we don't know and actually i thought if memory serves me correct i think midway he realized he's got some math yes but i fixed it oh you did okay infelible i was quite remedial at maths at school you have to bear that in mind so oh me too babe me too yeah uh we have a message from james and james not me and james says thank you steph thank you for the recommendation of what a toxic love story on netflix which was a wild story if somewhat slapdashly made still a really great true crime story as the crime queen in your opinion what are the five craziest true crime stories that have yet to be made into documentaries oh god that's a fucking pandora's box god i that is good that's gonna right okay don't do it now live surely no don't i'm gonna come back to that but also i just want to give credit where credit's due because actually in a weird turn of events that was kay who recommended that because she had watched two true crime things that week but which i'd already seen and i was so excited about it so then i think i saw if i'm being completely honest i think what happened was i then sort of took over because i was so excited she'd watched crime because she'd watched a ruby frank thing and the toxic love a toxic love story which is incredible twisty turny unbelievable and k was really like she does it true crime is not k's bag at all but the love that was that was coming out of me towards her because she she'd embraced this true crime and so she was the one i'm you know credit where credit's due but i'm glad you enjoyed it uh we should also say that uh james continues uh my wife loves a true crime doc i told her all about steph and what she brings to the pilot gang when it comes to all things murder mystery deception intrigue and whatnot and i've shared a few clips of pilots opinions on shows she likes over the years to try and convert her to the podcast but alas she's still yet to bite however today she was intrigued enough that she's taken out a yearly subscription to crime monthly so between us you have the earning power of our household supporting two of your projects steph keep up the stellar work oh that makes me so happy does he say what his wife's name is uh no oh that's a shame you can't subscribe to heat as well i mean no do you know what crime no no no do you know right i'm gonna tell you this the thing is about heat is he is not really kind of subscriber led whereas true crime monthly because it's kind of a you know sort of a niche thing and it's monthly um you know people collect them and stuff and it's really nice okay like yeah i'm surprised that crime monthly has lots of subscribers because you would think that you know murderers don't like to give out their home address but you know who knows 25 of uh my whole readership is uh subscribers actually i thought you're about to say murderers i was gonna say wow that's a hell of a demographic in the very least They probably are.

23:22Who knows? No, they're not murderers. They're all wonderful people. You know, we do at Empire, we sometimes get genuinely this, Drew. We get subscription queries from people who are like, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it says the bottom, like, HMP Belmarsh. Like, they'll have, like, and they're, you know, at His Majesty's Pleasure. James, I literally, my job when I first worked at Zoo Magazine, the now defunct men's weekly, was to sort out the section they called called Letters from the Insane, which was just people from prison writing in to just ask crazy questions. So, yeah. Zoo, not the most tasteful of magazines, as it goes, but anyway.

24:01Well, that is why it is defunct. Did you work on Zoo before Empire? Yes. Did you? I don't know why. I didn't remember that. Have we been through this? I have occasionally had dalliances with your brother on several magazines. projects but yeah i worked on zoo and the whole reason i got that job at zoo was actually a tv reason because i wrote an essay on why men should stop going on about how shit sex in the city is because what they were missing was actually being able to watch you know basically free porn with their girlfriend's consent and that they just think it was a whole mindset problem and they published that highbrow editorial clearly but nevertheless a tv critic from the get-go so you know you found your calling uh message here from ollie ollie says just thought i'd throw my opinion in and say any game of thrones fan should 100 visit dubrovnik the tours are great but you really get a feel for king's landing by walking on the walls and renting a boat to ride around black water bay i went for my snag do to tick the geeky box and we had a brilliant time i'm not aware of eating any dodgy food like you mentioned though finally just wanted to say ignore the moaners and keep being your hilarious selves, as that's what makes the pod so much fun.

25:12I don't agree with every opinion, but don't understand those that take time to moan about such little things. You all do a great job. Thank you, Ollie. Oh, Ollie, you're okay. Some rare positivity for our opinions, which have been under fire quite a lot recently. We're making strong stuff. We're making strong stuff. If you don't agree with us, I mean, yeah, that was very well put. If you don't agree with us, of course, that's fine. Brilliant. Let us tell us. But don't go psychotic on us. You don't go crazy. this is just this is just our opinions for god's sake you know what we don't know the world it's true but i think it's only certain things like not mentioning vampires specifically but yes that i've got a new name for it i'm calling it the listat lash that's very good that's very good the listat lash um i i like that i i think it's anything and it's not just limited to shows we get this on empire with films a lot as well anything with an incredibly passionate and engaged fan base becomes inherently toxic yes and it's not about your take and it's not about what you think it's that when you love a thing there's there's a tribalism to it whereby if someone gives a negative review of it you feel personally attacked like it has it has shook the foundation of your identity and you lash out at them personally now this happens a lot when people have not even seen the thing you're reviewing so let's say i've reviewed a thing and not liked it and they're saying, you don't know what you're talking about.

26:33It's brilliant. It's like, it's not out. You haven't seen it. You don't, I mean, you might be right. You might be right. Maybe it is brilliant. And I, like Widows Bay, I've got it wrong. But I find that wild when people do that. I find the disconnect between the idea, I mean, I am the least likely person to personally attack anyone, right? I don't know. You're fucking feral. I am from Luton. No, Luton's great. But somebody did send me something that some lovely person had written on the Reddit, because I don't go on there, but somebody had sent me a grab of it. And what made me laugh out loud is this wonderful person, and thank you to whoever it was, because it's incredibly sweet, had written, for God's sake, she's just given her opinion.

27:15It's not like she's clubbing seals. I was like, yes, thank you. That is sensible. I'm not clubbing seals. But yeah, it's hard. And I understand people are so passionate and feel so connected to shows. And obviously we are very passionate and we love TV. So yeah. I think James probably does club seals in his spare time. I've heard it occasionally. Especially if they don't agree with him about the expanse.

27:46I'm going through these. I'm now just deleting anything to do with Lestat because I'm just like, I'm not, I'm not. I can't be bothered with it. This has gone on far too long. Listen, yeah. Kay has decreed, I spoke to my therapist Kay and she's decreed that the Lestat lash is over. although even though I found this really good name for it now the Lestat Lash that's very very good I've been thinking about that for ages right a question here from Steve Steve says on plus you talked about casting younger versions of characters for me Orange is the New Black consistently nailed this for their characters backstories the other answer of course is anytime McKenna Grace's cast as the young version of another character that was almost her whole child actor career and she did it so well.

28:27The best example, of course, being Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, where she played the younger version of the title character so well, I didn't even know it was a different actor. I thought there were some kind of de-aging special effects instead. Great to hear the K-Post bag jingle again. Cheers, Steve. Not so much a question as a statement. No. We're all nodding our heads. We're all nodding in agreements. Yes, indeed. Amar is back, and not to talk about Yellowstone, but to talk about something else. Amar says, firstly, Welcome back, Kay. This got me thinking about Nemesis on Netflix, which I feel is a very Kay show, and that's definitely not an insult.

29:05I was wondering if you or anyone else on the team has seen it. It came out a few months ago, but it was really popular and spent a while at number one in the Netflix Top 10. It's been renewed for season two. It's basically Michael Mann's Heat as a miniseries, a detective hunting a master thief against the backdrop of LA. It's a really entertaining, bingeable show with a good cast. It's not going to win any awards, but it is a fun watch. Did any of you watch Nemesis? I have not seen that. No. No, I haven't either. Matthew Law is the lead from Abbott Elementary. I think maybe that's why Kay would love it.

29:39She likes Abbott Elementary. She does like Abbott. She loves Quinta. And it's passed me by, yeah, completely. Courtney Kemp created it. Can I go back to that question, that person? was that crime question the question what are the five cases that haven't been made into anything? Yes, the maddest things that haven't been made into something. Oh, I think I have an answer for that. Oh, interesting. Okay, well, you know, feel free to tee it up and deliver it. James, I've just been thinking, but I'm thinking back to that crime question because of that lovely lady who's now taken a subscription to my magazine, not mine, you know, the magazine I edit, and I've got I've got five which I think are crazy a couple of them really recent ongoing crimes at the moment but I think are going to be made into stuff so I'm going to give I'm going to give a list okay number one Nolan Wells this is a case that is ongoing a young African-American male went on a boat with his three white friends and he never came back um it is a real crazy case that has got to be solved but I'm sure someone is already thinking that in that is going to be in the works another trial that's going on at the moment is Lindsay Clancy she is a much she is a mother of three she killed all her children she's a nurse she killed all of her children she's currently on trial um and her defense is saying she is not criminally responsible she also tried to take her own life jumped out of a top-rated window isn't paralyzed from the day the waste down this is a huge huge case at the moment um and somebody has definitely got that in the works i'd say a p diddy thing is definitely going to be in the works um because that is insane that whole thing i really and then there's two things that i would love to get the ryan murphy true crime treatment which is weinstein and epstein this to the two of those so i would say those are five things that I'd really, that I think are going to happen in the near future.

31:44Wow. Okay. Top tips. Don't plan to watch any of those, but I'm sure you are right. Those will be made. It's true, Grimm. I can't deal with it. I'm so sorry. Did Weinstein go on Epstein's Island? In which case, you could just narrow that down to one, couldn't you, between the two of them? Yeah, you could call it the Steins. You'd think he would have done. Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt they were in each other's spheres because they were just like, wealthy monsters yes that's maybe what it could be called wealthy monsters oh that's a good that's a good title do you know what like on the subject of this stuff because it's quite hard to to to deal with i was going to say furious which i'm really enjoying furious is dark because the subject matter is very much about child abuse and it is i mean it is it's really dark at times like it's quite it's quite a lot to to take on board emotionally that shows it's so good but it's also really grim i'd be interested to talk about once it's all finished because there's there's some yeah let's just say there's some stuff in there that's uh well you'd love it steph it's really really good i'm gonna watch it i'm gonna watch it when i go on my plane you should you should definitely watch more of that okay another question here from holly and this says i was also quite late to dtfst louis in fact i finished it last saturday and it basically ruined my weekend one of the more heartbreaking endings to a show i can remember in a very long time partly because you could see it coming.

33:04I ended up going straight into a rewatch of Arrested Development. For some reason, I felt like seeing Jason Bateman in a different, happier mode would act as a palate cleanser. So my question is, when you're left so downbeat by a show, do you ever deliberately segue into something completely the opposite? And what's your go-to for that? I realise I'm inviting James to talk about friends here, but I will risk it. Congratulations on 400, and here is to 400 more. Oh God, I'm going to be at 75 when that happens. Steph, you almost certainly think, oh, I need something feel-good and tee up something about, I don't know, some kind of massacre in rural America.

33:40Terry's genuine feel-good show was a special victim to you. That was a feel-good show, which I couldn't even wrap my head around. I mean, that's why I love Murder, She Wrote. And I also like more contemporary Parks and Rec. But honestly, I'll be totally honest, I rarely need a palate cleanser. Because I just don't... You're naturally buoyant. Yeah, for you, a really vicious, nasty, twisted crime is a palate cleanser. I think the thing is, I'm just supremely upbeat, so it's okay.

34:14I'm thankfully an incredibly optimistic person, which sounds insane that I edit this crime magazine, but I don't know, I cleanse my own palate. I think I'm okay, but I do love watching... Now that's a quote, I cleanse my own palate. She cleanses her own palate. you know yeah i'm fair enough i'm i'm kind of okay because i mean every second show i'd be watching if i needed a palate cleanser would have to be some kind of comedy and i do watch a lot of comedy but no it's fine i watch episodes of would i lie to you so oh yeah well yeah i was going to say like non-scripted kind of comedy stuff seems like a perfect antidote if you watch a lot of scripted stuff and it's heavy like going out of that sphere entirely or watching something reality-based is probably a good I love a dip into a really love a dip into a league of their own and also also actually I spent quite a lot of time on my Instagram watching um service people be reunited with their dogs after they've been away okay that sounds fabulous service people being reunited with their dogs the only service people not like regular people no it's it's soldiers coming back from abroad isn't it and their dogs go absolutely batshit when they see them yeah that is basically my algorithm is uh service service humans being reunited with their dogs um you know service people going to the graduation of someone they know when they haven't seen them for years a lot of service people yeah i do i i obviously it's on my algorithm you know people have been trying for a baby and then get like an ivf success stories and just in general any any photographer who's taking pictures of dogs at strange angles wow yeah that's very good um And of course, you're not allowed to say Friends, but I'm not allowed to say Seinfeld.

35:58But it is Seinfeld. Do you know what? I don't... Friends is not what I use... That's not what I use Friends for. I do watch Friends. I watch Seinfeld. I rarely dip in and out of things, as you know. I feel like I can do a full rewatch. I can't jump in and out of things. I find it stressful. I don't like it. In fact, I actually, having spoken about how the dance sequence in my brilliant career reminded me of Elaine's Bad Dancing, I had to go and track that episode and watch it again. And it is absolutely hilarious. so yeah yeah no i don't do that i will switch mediums more than anything else so like if i've watched a really heavy tv show i'll like fire up the playstation and i'll i'll play a game normally something really bleak like a fromsoft game but uh but yeah i'll normally do that because i find like a change of venue or medium will help me to cleanse the old palette there what is the average time that you spend gaming like in a session i think i asked you this the other day and i don't know whether i got the answer i wanted i refuse to answer on the grounds my answer may incriminate me is it like is it like longer than an hour he's bleeding the fifth i've never played for less than an hour in my life so right if you were my teenage son would i be like we've got to get him off that machine he's got a problem yeah well so no it will vary so and one of the things we're going to talk about when we do the next regular poll on monday is you're going to say what have you been watching and i'll be like well i played a video game for 30 hours on the weekend so i didn't forget about our teenage son steph we're worrying about our podcast colleague who's spending far too much time playing computer games.

37:18I really do. Do you know what? I'm going to load up for you. I'm going to load up for you a load of service people being reunited with their dogs. I think I could watch that for 30 hours without that out. Oh, you definitely can because they always do it with great music and you're like... Can I just say, I get greeted by my friend's dog as if I'm a service person. Tell you that. That's the great thing. All dogs greet you as if they're the one thing that their whole joy in life depends on and that is why dogs are the greatest thing of all time. They are the greatest thing. Yes. um but no in terms of the question the closest i come to it is if if like my i have a i have like a breakup routine like at the end of a relationship am i feeling sad or traumatized i will binge watch a show like an actual breakup yeah let's say let's say you've been dating someone and it ends bad and you're feeling a bit sad you're bummed out who would break up with you you're so lovely yes i am i am a delight steph it's true uh but strange it is as it is to believe it does happen uh i will delve into a big old rewatch.

38:14I undertook a Peaky Blinders one once. Oftentimes a really long one as well. Because it gets you out of your own reality and it gets you somewhere else and I find that's quite a nice anaesthetic for emotional trauma. Have you ever thought to yourself, it's not going great with this person and I'm looking at a rewatch. And I also quite fancy watching Battlestar Galactica, so maybe two birds one stone. Knock this on the head and dive straight into it. oh my god that's 100 % the way to know you know Peaky Blinders there's this Peaky Blinders thing at the end of my street well London London Bridge London Bridge like a recreation of the pub of Peaky Blinders is there the garrison at the end of your street yeah when did this happen why it happened like about a week ago suddenly it arrived yeah fully this fully formed recreation what's it in favour what's it in in like prophesying or what was it for it's it's it's own thing it's like this is you know like it's like a kind of live experiential It's an immersive experience Thank you Steph That's exactly what it is Right And yeah it's astonishing Have a peaky pint Like you're going To the garrison Basically yeah Get in a fight There's people sitting Outside having pints Of beer And God knows What goes on inside Oh God I'm so jealous Someone sticks a grenade Down your trousers And then you know That kind of thing I'm so jealous The only thing at the end Of my road is like Dog poo in the local Londis What are you doing Living Luton Well you know what I'm saying we should all Go down to Boyd's Gaff And we should all go and have a pint in the garrison and see what happens.

39:42I think that'll be fun. Yeah, yeah. I'd like to do that. Oh, good old Peaky. Right, let's have a couple more. Angela says, I finally watched all four seasons of Industry and searched for it in the podcast so I could listen to everything you had said about it. Yes. Loved hearing your thoughts, though such a bad take from Steph. Oh, God. It's another one. And Boyd's interview with Harry Lorty. James, please watch it. I think you would really get into it if you watched more. Looking forward to hearing about season five and hoping Boyd will do more interviews of the cast and showrunners. Why didn't, what did I say?