PLUS Neagley

0:07Welcome to Pilot Plus, your extended guide to every show that matters. and we are gathered today very early, very early in the morning, very early in the week. It's quite an unusually early door start for us, but that's fine, you know, it's fair, because we're going to be talking about Neegley. Neegley, the character known as Neegley, and I know this because the Lee Child, presumably approved audiobooks of the Jack Reacher books, do describe her as Frances Neegley, with a G, which is not silent. However, they've made different creative choices in the show, and I'm not going to let that colour my view of this series.

0:39This is the Reacher spinoff on Prime Video. It stars Maria Sten as Francis Negley, and it is created by Nick Santora and Nicholas Wootten. And the question is, does this live up to the extraordinarily high quality of the first season of Reacher? I don't mind, yeah. Well, not only is the question, does it live up to the first season of Reacher, but also does it live up to the most recent season of Reacher, which regular listeners will know. James was up in, what's the phrase? Up in arms. Up in arms about. I mean, much like Jerry Jim himself, who is also up in arms. And even now, the fallout from that critique is, I see people on my timeline in various social medias saying, oh, James was so wrong about.

1:24Enablers, that's what they call Boyd, enablers. Yeah, Reacher, because it's just as much fun as the previous series. I mean, it's not. It's substandard. Perhaps even more. No. And you don't even notice the supposed decline in production values. So it's all fine. I thought this was potentially – so I was kind of speeding myself for this to be another kind of cheapo, you know, not fully committed set in the world of Reacher. Much like the most recent season of Reacher, as you've already said. Like you allege of the most recent series of Reacher. But in fact, I thought it was certainly the opening.

1:57It's kind of pretty spectacular, visually powerful. This guy is walking along by the subway in Chicago, and he takes all his clothes off and jumps in front of a train. It's quite a striking moment. And then the camera pans over to what's happening with Reacher and Neagly, who are involved in some kind of child kidnapping situation, which they're sorting out with a car chase and various bits of fighting, and this, that, and the other. And it was all very dazzling, I thought, the first few minutes in the opening sequence. I was impressed. Now, I have a question for you. So, I've read lots of the Reacher books, but there aren't any books with Neaglia.

2:37No. She's in some of the Reacher books, but she's not in all the Reacher books that she has appeared in in the series, if you may. So, they've definitely crowbarred her in more. They've crowbarred her in, with a view clearly to making the spin-off. But the spin-off is a television-based thing. It's not to do with the books. No, it's its own unique thing. Its own unique thing. So, I am predisposed to enjoying stories, crime stories, particularly about cults, about religious cults. And this has a kind of cult at the heart of it. It reminded me a bit of Harlan Coburn, the kind of the setting and the way the narrative unfolds.

3:15The cultiness. The cultiness, particularly, yeah, I guess. She also comes into contact with kind of new characters. who she kind of forms her own little team, doesn't she, with Detective Hudson Riley, who's like the handsome guy who is clearly kind of flirting with her. Yeah. And he's played by the brilliantly named Greyston Holt. And then there's this young guy who's like desperate for money, who's kind of been beaten up by some mysterious people, Keno, Keno, Keno, played by Jasper Jones. And she's got this woman who's working for the police, Renee Birdwhistle. who initially they have this kind of like antagonistic relationship and then she ends up helping her out and becoming part of this kind of, as I said, this ragtag team she kind of forms.

4:02She's the requisite British part of the crew, person in the crew, isn't she? Yeah, requisite British. And of course, Neagly has her own connection to the poor guy who died. She knew him and they had a kind of like brother-sister kind of relationship. And that's, so there's an issue, she's emotionally invested in it. So there's kind of like more reason than just her investigating a random crime. There is an actual personal connection. I really enjoyed this first episode. I've only watched one episode. But I thought it either, depending on your viewpoint, carried on the Reacher tradition quite well and is quite slickly made and interesting enough visually to make it feel kind of quite cinematic.

4:43and I thought the storyline and the, I'd say particularly the cult setting, and she, Maria Sten is really good, very convincing in the role. She can beat up, you know, four men in one scene and you kind of believe it. So I enjoyed it, yeah. I enjoyed it a lot. Oh, Boyd, do you know what? I couldn't agree with you more. Right, so I was immediately drawn in because the opening scene is like a naked bottom walking and I was like, this is for me straight away. Not, but attached to a mat, by the way. It was attached, but really the central part is, you know, what you're focusing on. So the naked bottom is walking.

5:20Obviously the bottom, you know, it comes to a horrible end. But still, you do get those moments. Now, oh my God, this is absolutely brilliant. This is so entertaining. Like, I love the, like, so you see Reacher in there for the first couple, in the first couple of minutes. and that's that's just a delightful little nod and it's kind of like okay it's kind of like he's saying okay you can have your own show now and have her own show she does she is absolutely brilliant in this um i love as you know i love any kind of assemble piece where they're assembling any sort of crew together and the way she does it with the um the guy from the streets and the the the cop who's whose family's kind of on the bad side some of his family's on the bad side a but he's trying to make good and then the the snobby british girl who you know really actually wants to be part of the crew this is coming together beautifully the whole thing is wrapped up and also it had a fantastic explosion in there um and a great dead body so i love the whole thing i think she's brilliant in this role um i think people are going to love it because it's so so entertaining yeah i'm feeling but i watched one of them after various difficulties last night uh and yeah i would have carried on watching more had i been able to get the screeners earlier but yeah i thought it was so she is so brilliant the only one criticism of this and i know we have to do they have to do this to get the cash but the product placement of you who in this really wowed up did either of you notice it no obviously this is england steph so in in the uk yoohoo is a glue yes that's true so in america yoohoo is like a chocolatey drink with a yellow thing and there was just too much yoohoo drinking and too much yoohoo yoohooness going on and that's my one my product placement complaint but apart from that i wanted to keep going and did you watch the sizzle reel at the end of the episode, but oh, so much good stuff to come.

7:25It's hard to avoid it because it starts kicked off immediately before you'd have time to even press pause on your remote. That is true. I think sometimes those sizzle reels are actually quite useful in kind of like deciding either way whether or not you're going to continue to watch the show. This is fine. Like, it's okay. It's not a million miles away from the DNA of current Reacher, unfortunately. I think Maria Stan is very good. The difficulty this show has for me a little bit is Reacher at the moment, we'll ignore season one, is not very good. But you have an incredibly compelling central character in that he is just unstoppable.

8:02Like he's like this immortal, unstoppable force of justice. And there's something quite cathartic and fun about watching that happen. So you're prepared to overlook a lot of the, shall we say, less good ropey parts of the show because of that central character. So what you have here, though, is you don't have that character. so this has to do a lot more heavy lifting if you'll pardon the illusion to kind of make the show work because you don't have i mean obviously have reach at the beginning but he's not a part of the show now i think that uh maria stent is very good i think francis negely is an interesting character i actually quite like the fact that that character in the books is quite roughly sketched that we don't know a lot about her background we don't know why she doesn't like to be touched really like there are illusions to things but we don't go into great detail I don't really think that I ever wanted an incredibly detailed backstory.

8:46I quite like the fact that she's on the periphery and she's a little bit mysterious and she comes in when Reacher needs her. I don't know that I needed a deep dive into Negley as a character, but you know, here we are, fair enough. I did not love the dialogue and the scenes with the cop because again, it felt very unnecessarily tropey and stuff that we've seen before. It's like, okay, you're going to have a flirty relationship with this guy who's having problems that, you know, he's got an issue at work and various things and then the person when she's at her detective agency you know she's a maverick and she's always breaking the laws it's like really i know that's kind of who negley is but also it's just i feel like i've seen this far too many times um that said i think she does a lot to salvage this and i also think what kind of works here is the cult setup which is as you say boy it's just a fundamentally interesting thing he was in a cult it's mysterious you don't know what it is when this started i wondered if they were actually going to steal die trying from reacher uh which is the second jack reacher book where he goes to it's not actually a cult it's kind of like a prepper militia group but i wondered whether this was kind of going in that direction because that's about kidnapping and this militia and whatnot and i thought that would have been an interesting way to almost like switch die trying and make it a neagly story but it actually i don't think that's what they're doing because this cult seems less like you know a militia more just like a religious cult, you know, because they're very agrarian.

10:07There's a lot of growing of tomatoes and potatoes and celery. And in the trailer at the end, for the rest of the season, we see glimpses of the mad, you know, kind of Jesus-like figure. Your cult leader. Yes, indeed. Well, I think the thing is, there's so much more to this cult. You know, I absolutely love a cult. And I think - You do love a cult. What's really exciting about this is, and I don't want to give too much away, but there's there's a crazy scene at the end where i i won't say what they they tell you is happening in it but it's absolutely crazy but it's also this farm this cult on a farm is is linked to something even more sinister outside of the cult which makes it you know inherently much more interesting than just kind of your normal run-of-the-mill religious cult where people are just in a compound this has ties to something even bigger outside which is which is clever yeah there's a strange there's a strange man doing strange things we should say yeah i'm gonna pick you up on saying you don't need to know her backstory i think it's really important to know her backstory and especially how she is related in friendship to the guy who dies i think it's really like you you you need to know and all the stuff that you're saying is tropey i think if what i suppose what i'm saying is if you're not a reach ahead like you and maybe you'll be a neely head or a neagly head depending on what you decide um you need that that's really central to understanding the makeup of this character so i think where you're you're you're such reach a core like you're you're you're throwing her away without really understanding that you need all of that is what i'm saying you need all of that for this show to her yes i think it was more i was thinking from a from a Reacher novel reader, I don't feel the need to delve into that character.

11:56But I understand that you kind of do need, you can't know nothing about her if you can have a literal show called Neagliela. I completely get that. You're absolutely right. It is tropey. I think the stuff that particularly, I think the big flaw for me is when she's in the precinct, when she's in the police HQ, and that guy, the boss who's hiring her, he is another shouty, superior detective who's angry at her for whatever reason. There's hardly even any reason to be angry with her at that stage. And he's still shouting at her in every scene she's in together. So those bits, I know what you mean.

12:29I thought they were needlessly tropey indeed, to use a word. I think this might just ultimately be where we are going to be with the show because of the people involved. Because it is Nick Santora again, I think, you know, it's going to be a lot of what the Reacher series is. Which is a shame though, because again, my feeling here is like, it's okay, it's decent, I quite like it. I may well watch more of it, but it doesn't feel super premium to me. It doesn't feel super prestigy. Like, it feels like little things. Like, there's a major plot point which revolves around some kind of vegetable that's fallen off the back of a lorry.

13:00And it's just like, it's a really kind of simplistic bit of plotting to connect A with B. Sort of deus ex greenhouse, if you will. And I was a bit like, really? Are we doing this? Like, surely there's something slightly more sophisticated we can do here to tie these things together. Like, true detective, this is fucking not, right? But it's quite fun. I would put this in the same bucket as things like The Night Agent, right? It's quite fun. It's a fairly compelling story. It's pretty silly, but it's a giggle. So I'm not saying people shouldn't watch it. I'm just saying know what you're watching before you watch it.

13:32Okay, hold on a minute. That buckwheat was essential to the storytelling, right? Clearly. Okay, I don't know whether it's because I watch this at what time? 11 o 'clock, right? Pretty late. I think, okay, we've had this argument before. This doesn't need to be prestige. This is not prestige TV. It doesn't need to have that apple sheen. It doesn't need to have any of that to be thoroughly enjoying and entertaining show, which it is, okay? I want kind of those vivid, saturated colors. I want the big explosions. I want the dead bodies. I want the connections that are actually quite easy to follow.

14:11Sometimes you cannot, do you know what I mean, Einstein your way through a series. Sometimes you just need to watch something really entertaining. And this is it. And I think if you love Reacher, you'll like this. You might pick holes in it, but if you don't love Reacher, you'll like it. Because it's a really thorough interpretation. She's compelling as a main character and she's interesting. And she does have this backstory that you want to know. I want to know why she doesn't like being touched. So, you know, I just, I think don't, you're not coming to it for prestige. You're not going to get it if you are coming to it for prestige, but it's definitely worth it.

14:51You're right. To be fair, there is definitely room in the world for shows that don't require huge leaps of kind of like concentration and you can just kind of enjoy them. I will totally give you that. So, Neagly then, with or without the silent G, which lands on Prime Video on the 16th, which is Wednesday, yesterday. Yes. It's already arrived. It's already arrived. You can watch it now. All the episodes. Which is unusual, because they don't do that with Reacher. No. Yeah. It's interesting. It's a neatly binge. Prime Video, they do it randomly. Sometimes they do put it all up, sometimes they don't.

15:26They're quite unpredictable. They're a force of chaos. Right. That is it for the review. Let's move on to the post bag.

15:36triage it's the post bag we begin with a question for boyd i think from katherine and katherine says dear team for the love of god someone please explain how the hell mrs brown's boys keeps winning best comedy at the national television awards i know it's supposed to be public votes But surely that has to be a steward's inquiry. Cathy? No, I find the explanation of it much more understandable. It reflects public opinion. The NTAs are the only TV awards in the UK that are voted for by members of the public. And so QED, literally the most – look at the ratings of Mrs. Brown Boys. There's a reason why it's been going for 20-something years or whatever and always gets Christmas and New Year special because it's a guaranteed ratings winner year after year after year.

16:30People, you know, there's a big enough movement of fandom for that show to make it the hit it has been. So whereas if it had been voted for by, you know, I don't know, 4 ,000 BAFTA members like the BAFTA czar or whatever equivalent, and then it won, you'd be like, oh, hold on. They need to have their membership revoked, right? You know, it's supposed to be people within the industry voting for the best thing. The best thing. The NTAs aren't about the best. They're about the most popular. That's the simplest way of putting it. And Mrs. Brown's Boys, in that lineup, unbelievably, is still the most popular.

17:05And yes, it's frustrating on one level. If you think that, say, Amanda Land, just for example, is 100 times better than Mrs. Brown's Boys. But Mrs. Brown's Boys has that fan base. What can you do? It's also not just the public, is it? it's a demographic of the public who is willing to vote for these things. So I don't know quite how that, you know, sections out. Well, certain publications, like, you can vote for, including Heat. So Heat readers get to vote, Sun readers get to vote. So you're saying it's your fault? That's where we're coming from. Yeah, partly our fault, yeah. But I don't know.

17:38I like to think that the Heat readers are the ones that voted for Amanda Land and the Sun readers are the ones that voted for Mrs. Brown's voice. I'm pretty sure that's the case. I've decided. Okay. Boyd has decided. We hope that has answered your question, Cathy. we have a question slash rant here from john so you know strap in this is a long one john says as a long-standing trekkie i was relieved when strange new worlds began as it felt like proper trek was back after the disappointment of discovery real star trek style episodes that made you think with brilliant casting and superb hair then the gimmick episodes arrived now once in a while this was fun most big tv series do a musical episode at some point think Scrubs, for example, so it was no surprise when Star Trek did one, and as a one-off, it was a fun episode.

18:21And in the first three seasons, it felt like two to three were gimmicks, and the rest normal. Now, as I get to the halfway point of the latest season, I cannot take it any more. The Muppet episode was the final straw. Apart from the first episode, where the crew go back in time to the time of the dinosaurs and meet a Martian Empire, which I'm surprised was never used in the OG series, it's been gimmick after gimmick after gimmick. Star Trek does Event Horizons, Star Trek does the hangover star trek does film noir now muppets in isolation they are all entertaining but every episode doesn't need to be a gimmick i can't make up my mind if it is the showrunners deliberately making rubbish episodes because one rule of classic star trek is you always have a few rubbish episodes or they took social media love for the previous gimmick episodes as a demand for all episodes to be this way or worse they saw the popularity of the orville and thought that's what people wanted because, to be blunt, Strange New Worlds just feels like the Orville now.

19:13I just want Pike and his crew to come across an anomaly that leads to problems that require them to use their brains to solve it or beam down to a planet with some society that mirrors the worst of ours so they can make some great commentary on where we are currently. For example, Space Trump would be interesting. I suppose what I'm saying is, hashtag not my Star Trek, John. Oh, do you know what? After you have that massive rant about the Muppet episode last pod, I was like, I've definitely got to watch it because I was so intrigued. But now I'm thinking it's just going to be a massive waste of my time.

19:45No, I had the same thought as well. I actually did watch the start of that episode. And then switched off. Oh, what's it like? I actually quite enjoyed it, but I get the complaints. Yeah, it is an outrageous gimmick. I like, but my taste tends towards the more outrageous gimmicky stuff that you can find in terms of TV shows, the better. So I'm kind of, I enjoy the fact that they've clearly gone bonkers for gimmicks in this season. But I will finish watching it. Yeah, I just thought, oh, I've checked that out, the Mad Muppet episode. Yeah, it sounded exciting. It is. I did get a message on social media from someone else who was actually very much enjoying that Star Trek Strange New Worlds has completely embraced absolute anarchy this season, which it absolutely has.

20:32but i i mean i'm i must admit i agree entirely with john like i you know the odd gimmick is fine but when the gimmicks vastly outnumber the quote-unquote normal episodes i feel like the show has gone off the rails a little bit because we went from this like star trek does event horizon i actually really enjoyed it was an unusual episode but it was still quite serious so i actually is that a gimmick episode i guess to an extent but actually that one i let slide but yeah the dude wears my starship one the muppets all of that stuff the film noir and then there's a soap opera episode a literal soap opera episode and i just can't even with that how does that work basically so i i haven't i haven't watched it yet it's the next one on my list but from what i understand spock's evil twin cyborg you may remember from star trek five uh is in it and it's again it's the whole thing is acted out like a like a soap opera now like a like an american daytime soap basically like days of our lives so you know starships of our lives if you will It's like I really like that.

21:26That does sound fantastic. Of course, you two would like it, yes. It's just very upsetting. What I do quite slightly respect is whenever one of these gimmicks happens, they have a policy of always having a quote-unquote scientific Star Trek explanation for why it's happening. So it's not like they're all suddenly singing. There's some weird anomaly that's making them sing, right? There's always a reason for it, which I actually quite like. So I think that's quite fun. But yeah, I just think gimmicks should be like one every four or so episodes. I think when you're slamming them in back to back, it's just, yeah, it's too much.

22:02I think in a 10 episode run, you can have two gimmicks. And I think that's it. I think that's you maxing out on that. Well, we're on about five already with this season. Okay. Did they know that this is the next season going to be the last season? It is, and it's a shorter season. So did they know that? Do you think that's why they've gone then run amok? you know just kind of perhaps Bazzel like let's have all the fun we can have while we can have it because if you look at the earlier seasons they were few and far between the kind of gimmick episodes and they were less gimmicky they do seem to have like doubled tripled and quadrupled down on them with this season and it is yeah it's quite a lot yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna yeah I'm gonna love it Boydie I'm sure yeah thanks make Star Trek serious again that's what I say right Carmen says in response to you Steph and it says get well awesome Steph what a totally horrible experience you had so sorry your trip ended in such a scary and dramatic fashion wishing you a super speedy recovery also the dignity humor and tv related spin you managed to insert when recounting the incident was also quite the marvel a great reminder of how unbelievably lucky we are to have the nhs dignity that's no word that's ever been applied it's applied to me thank you but i knew that was coming thank you very much a note here from davin and davin says hello pod have the bluey mob come after you since the admission that james and boyd haven't seen it it can be a surprisingly emotional and engaging show since it seems to be aimed at toddlers but makes enough of an effort to be more for the whole family if you've got a spare 20 minutes can i suggest checking out the episodes onesies cricket and if you want to feel old fairy tale right okay Okay, three, sorry, who's this person?

23:46What's this person's name? This is Davin. Davin. Okay, I, though you have picked out three incredible episodes, okay? So I'm going to give you guys an idea about what these episodes are about, okay? So Onesies is an incredible episode where Chili, who's the mum's sister, comes to visit and she hasn't seen her for a while. And it's about infertility. So on the surface, it's about her getting onesies for the kids and it's actually about infertility. Cricket is about being an older brother and it's so emotional. It's unbelievable. Rusty, whose dad works in the military, is incredibly good at cricket.

24:25The ending of that episode honestly gives me chills. Fairy Tale is the one about how Chilean bandit meet and it's about whether um fairy tales exist and it's an origin story and it is so beautiful um so yeah i know literally every blue episode like i'm sick to death of trying to get these two to watch it david how many episodes of bluey are there well there are there are three there are mini shows there are three seasons um and in each season how many i'm thinking i'm thinking there's like 18 20 i can't remember but there's a shitload and obviously the bluey movie is coming out so but they're they're brilliant and i would say what my recommendation is always uh to people to watch stick bird which is a fantastic episode they're at the beach in that episode um and i think that really also speaks to to being an adult and yeah it's just it's wonderful but those three that Davin has highlighted are also excellent.

25:26There have been 154 episodes of Bluey. Wow. There you go. And as you say, there are only seven minutes roughly in each though, so bear that in mind. But yeah, we have got the film next year, which I think is going to be massive, isn't it? The Bluey movie. Yeah. Okay, we have two connected messages here, and the first one comes from Billy and it says, your listener noticing the police stuff in Ted Lasso reminded me of something I've vented about to my kids for years. I'm afraid it's film, though. In 101 Dalmatians, the live-action movie, the woodland creature in the supposed English countryside included flipping raccoons.

26:05Flipping raccoons? Flipping raccoons. Billy was not happy. We do not have raccoons here in the UK. That is 100 % true, except in zoos. How is that the case? Have you ever been in the countryside, Boyd? Have you seen a lot of raccoons? Well, I've been in the countryside, but I haven't gone searching for raccoons. I think they'd seek you out. As a person who's regularly in the countryside and also as a person who had a Dalmatian, I can tell you that a Dalmatian in this country has never seen a raccoon. I can tell you that now. But, yeah, why didn't they just use squirrels? I don't know. Raccoons maybe have more personality.

26:36Especially since we do have the grey American squirrels. Yeah. Of course, it's interesting because I mentioned on the previous podcast I was watching Adults, the American comedy, which features a raccoon episode, an episode built around a raccoon invading their flat. is their flat in the uk no no it's in it's in america new york then it's fine yeah oh yeah it's accurate yeah connected to this we have a message here from paul paul the beer guy not to be confused with paul the wine guy paul says just caught up on the last pod and after listening to the ted lasso jail debacle i have to jump on a similar set problem which i find particularly frustrating apologies but i'm coming for pilot's favorite slow horses i cannot believe british intelligence headquarters is completely open plan with glass partition walls and dual monitors on each desk open for all to see although i have no evidence to the contrary i do wonder if this would contribute to the enviable double agent having so easily obtained our precious national security secrets love the pod best regards paul that's a really good point such a good point yeah but my feeling is that it is i wouldn't i i wouldn't be surprised if actually mi5hq is a bit like that because you know i think they'd probably think the last thing they'd worry about is see through windows when you know every they probably think there are other issues that they need to make sure is safe for high level intelligence gathering um as opposed to the glass windows and also i think just the people who design this kind of stuff the interior design is just like it's a look sleek and sexy and you know full of mirrors so um and it works obviously televisually from that point of view.

28:12But I wouldn't be surprised if the... I'd be interested to know, wouldn't it? We should get someone from MI5. If this was the rest of the entertainment, they'd find someone from MI5. Yeah, and they'd ask them what it's like. And then they wouldn't be able to tell us because, you know, the Official Secrets Act. But I remember listening to an interview with the set designer for The West Wing, and they were talking about, you know, how they made The West Wing look the way it is. And they were like, no, of course, you know, the Roosevelt Room does not have glass walls. You know, it's just a room. But we wanted the Roosevelt Room.

28:38You wanted to be able to see out and see across the bullpen and see the other offices, like, you want to have a sense of scope and a sense of distance to these shots, so they have a lot of glass walls. And also, they were saying, like, the Situation Room, which is where the president goes whenever there's something serious going on. They were like, you know, it's dark, there's all these screens on the wall with, like, military-looking things. It's like, it's really moody and it looks really top secret. And they said, no, like, if you go to the White House, Situation Room, it's a fucking meeting room.

29:01Like, it just looks like a meeting room. It's like all the other meeting rooms, you know. But that doesn't make good television. so you have to make it visually exciting because you can imagine if like let's be honest with our government budgets you probably go to like mi5 or mi6 headquarters and it probably does look like you've worked into sort of some sort of ancillary nhs office block like i don't imagine it's particularly high-end or you know really old 1960s staircases i don't imagine it's it's you know quite as slick but again i don't think that would make for quite as as fun a watch but i have i have I have one of these myself and it will, this is a sneak preview of a show we're reviewing on Monday's podcast.

29:37There is a scene in one of the shows that we review on Monday's podcast where you see a teenage boy graduating from high school with a mortar board and like the robes and everything. And I'm like, either I'm very old and out of touch or I'm sorry, do we do that in the UK? Cause I've never in my life seen that before. Oh no. Well, I don't want to get into something that we could discuss at length in the episode coming up, But you see that all the time. They do that all the time multiple times. In the UK, at high school. Yes. This is a thing. High school. This is the university, 100%. I have never, ever in my life seen it done in a UK high school.

30:12High school. Okay. Not that I hang out in UK high schools. It's important that I stay out of runs. Yeah. I think they do it at like nurseries, like weird graduation type things at nurseries. Hang on. With waterboards and robes. You get like toddlers taking their little hats off and throwing them up in the air. Steph, I hate to say this, I don't believe you. I'm going to do something very dubious now and find a nursery where they get the children to dress up in mortables and robes. No, maybe I'm thinking... That's interesting in high school. No, they definitely do have like graduation type things, don't they?