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16:20see also material that may cause harm or offence. Oh, that's interesting.

16:24Nicola Walker:You can't be recruiting through the TV. I mean, this is extraordinary. I think generally before 9pm, everything has to, they have to operate on the assumption that children may be in the room and programme accordingly. So it's not going to be like cocks akimbo or anything like that because again, it might upset young guys. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. We're just going to have to rewind a little bit. Did you just say cocks akimbo? Yes. That's his dance troupe that he writes. It's my improv comedy troupe. Okay, well, we hope that, James, this has enlightened you somewhat. It is the Wild West out there, unless you're on terrestrial television.

16:59True. If you want cocks akimbo, you've got to get streaming. Sorry. Right, anyway, let's move on to a message from Julia. And Julia says, hey, lovely piloteers, this is too new for this week's news and will be old news by the time next week's news happens, so I'm hoping it makes through the post-bac triage system. There you go. That's the setup. up heated rivalry just swept the boards at the canadian screen awards with 16 out of 16 category wins and picked up a peabody in the same weekend not bad for a show described as gay porn and hockey smut by some people not pilot obviously can you talk a bit about this phenomenon a mega popular show dismissed by many as trash while simultaneously being showered with prestigious awards has any other show previously achieved this thank you for being the best pod around I mean, I would just say it's just not trash and never has been trashed.

17:49Jemaine Clement:Has it been described as trash? Only by people who haven't seen it. I think it's been described as pornee a bit. But, I mean, it's an amalgam, isn't it, of really well done and I think well written and well acted drama and all the stuff surrounding the hockey games and the two rival stars, etc. It's all very authentic and very well handled by the writers, etc. And it's very well acted and put together. it's just on a technical level it's a really well done show um so i don't think i think it was only but the sex scenes are so vivid shall we say um and such a key part of the whole thing and they're frequent and you know throughout this what six-part series that people kind of people who aren't really engaged with it properly regard it as a porn that oh it's that gay porn show with the hockey players right having sex with each other so kind of like not but it's all that's a bit like saying well Queer as Folk to go back to 1999 Ross C.

18:47Jemaine Clement:David's Queer as Folk had famous sex scenes in the first episode which shocked people to their core but it was absolutely brilliant piece of drama at the same time so I think only people who regard any show as having that amount of sex in it is immediately regarded as somehow porny but actually it's a incredible piece of work at the same time so I think He's a Writer who totally deserves the audience attention it's getting because it is a really really good show it just happens to be very sexy at the same time Yeah, I hadn't heard that it had been panned in any way. No, I mean, I didn't. I mean, I think maybe, I don't think it's been critically panned at all.

19:19No, no. I think perhaps there has been a cultural conversation where people are saying, well, it's that trashy sex show.

19:23Jemaine Clement:Oh, yeah, yeah. But then, you know, like... Trash is, that use of that word alone is very judgmental, kind of, you know. I would never use that for a show. But no, I mean, is it any pornier than, for example, Off Campus? Or, you know, Bridgerton? I mean, no, not really. It's probably on the same level as Bridgerton in a way, but I think off campus I've only seen you're the expert on the nudity and sex off campus

19:48Nicola Walker:off campus is much more porny than Bridgeton Bridgeton I think has got less it started out more it has been reported to me that there's an awful lot of nudity in off campus which I don't recall seeing excessive it has been reported it has been reported I've been told by a third party

20:06Jemaine Clement:they fell in my lap so to speak to be fair I have not yet watched off campus it's on my sofa list I haven't watched you on episode one it's become quite a phenomenon again it really has

20:18Nicola Walker:everyone's watching off campus you need to but not on the northern line crucially and not before the watershed hockey and sex is all the rage right now it is puck buddies do you want to hear something really shocking though to go back to that question of shows that have been panned and you know critically panned but won awards right do you remember do you remember back to last week when we all talked about that terrible show La Brea yes

20:42Jemaine Clement:no colour me

20:44Nicola Walker:colour me shocked it's won an Emmy for outstanding special visual effects in a single episode I don't believe you that's funny it has the worst effects I've ever seen on television I'm telling you also right one of a show that you and I both like The Rookie James that is critics do not like that but that's one loads of loads of well I mean we're going to get on to a little bit later on in this episode when we have James and Steph's Yellowstone Roundup we're going to talk about Yellowstone, which is a show that critics did not like at all, but people absolutely obsess over. It doesn't have many awards, does it, Yellowstone?

21:18No, but also, if you look at Scott East Metacritic for season one, it's like 50-something. It didn't go down particularly well.

21:23Jemaine Clement:The email was about, and I think it is a phenomenon, is shows that have a lot of sex in them are dismissed by some misguided critics, but actually they often end up getting recognised by awards ceremonies when they're that good. I think that's what's happened in this case. I'm just trying to bring this back to the topic. Was it specifically about sex? I thought it was just about shows in general that had been panned but then received awards. I thought it was more about... And also, James, can you please refer to our pilot thing as its official name, Pilot Dutton Branch.

21:53Nicola Walker:That's what it's called. Pilot Dutton Branch. Please, that's all I ask.

21:58Jemaine Clement:I added a horse noise, by the way. Euphoria is another example. That show's got loads of nudity and sex in it. Your favourite show. Number one hate watch currently on television. I've got the finale to look forward to later oh you haven't watched it I'm a busy man 90 minutes well you need to watch it before tomorrow yeah 90 minutes I know what happens

22:17Nicola Walker:I know what happens I know what happens in this whole show because I just read it I'm going to see

22:21Jemaine Clement:fucking scary movie scary movie 7 or whatever it is tonight I think it's 6 but yes 6, 7 well that'll be good

22:27Nicola Walker:no it won't yes it will I love the Wayans oh my god anyway that's a whole other film related conversation sorry so let's return our attention to the post pack and we have a message here from Jordan and Jordan says in light of the amazing I Love Boosters my wife and I just found I'm a Virgo by Boots Riley and I think it's worth talking about on pilot watch the first three episodes and you'll be hooked

22:47Jemaine Clement:in fact we reviewed I'm a Virgo on pilot I would say Boots Riley's oeuvre is quite specific and I think if you like his stuff you will love it and if you don't you will be utterly bamboozled by it because he has this very odd streak of kind of surrealist, magical, realist comedy, which is definitely not for everyone, whether it be, you know, talking animals or 13-foot teenagers, like whatever you want. But I'm a Virgo was very strange. It was, yes. He was the giant... He was the giant... It was the one with the giant teenager, yes. Giant teenager. Yeah, exactly that. But I liked it. I thought it was good.

23:27Jemaine Clement:He's very talented. He's great. Yeah, undeniably. I just... I find his stuff somewhat bamboozling. It can be quite bamboozling, yeah. Did you ever watch Sorry to Bother You, the film? Yes. again really good but absolutely mad yeah it's one of these things where I watch his stuff and I recognise its genius but I also am completely sure I don't understand it yeah that makes sense you will understand it have you seen I Love Boosters I have not no neither have I no ok that's the end of that

23:56Nicola Walker:oh I haven't watched I haven't watched I'm Virgo I'm a Virgo that looks like something kind of like he's a giant teenager he's a giant teenager yeah ok well

24:06Jemaine Clement:go and seek it out

24:07Nicola Walker:I will see.

24:07Jemaine Clement:Oh, I love Boosters is the film, right? Sorry, I didn't even know that was coming. Message from Kate. And Kate says, following on from your discussion of which actor has had the highest profile career since Game of Thrones, surely the answer is Pedro Pascal. Oh, God, we're such dicks. We are idiots. That is absolutely the right answer. How could none of us have thought of Pedro Pascal? Yeah. Because I guess it felt like a long time ago when he was in it. Well, he's only in it briefly as the Red Viper of Dawn in one of the great episodes of Mountain of the Viper. The Mountain of the Viper is literally one of the best episodes of TV of all time.

24:39Have you heard his anecdote about how he got the role? No, please tell it to me now. As Oberyn Martell. He was mentor to a younger actor who was reading for the parts, and he was helping him prepare for it. And he had a look and he was like, huh, this is a really good part. And so he dropped a line to a very close friend of his, Sarah Paulson, who happens to be married to David Benioff, the showrunner of the show. Oh dear. and he got the part.

25:06Nicola Walker:I wish I didn't know that. That doesn't seem very nice. I don't think he talks to the young actor anymore. I don't know. But he, I mean, to be fair, he was really upfront about this, and he admitted it on a talk show, and he was like, yeah, it was kind of harsh. But I just, he said, this part was amazing, and I had to do it. I mean, fair enough. You've got to do what you've got to do, right? No. You can't, like, usurp young people.

25:25Jemaine Clement:This is not the way, says Steph.

25:27Nicola Walker:No, it is not the way.

25:28Jemaine Clement:I'm going to just slightly take over Crime Monthly soon.

25:30Nicola Walker:Oh, how dare you. You keep your hands off my dead people. Wow. Okay, right. It's a message here from Joe, and this is about viewing habits. Hello, co-pilots. Following on from Tom's message about a recent Pilot Plus where the listener described always keeping one in the tank, i.e. always having an episode to watch or a pod to listen to, this has a televisual connection. In Lost, when we finally get Desmond's flashbacks in the season two finale, he's shown getting out of prison, and when he's having his belongings returned, there is a copy of A Tale of Two Cities. When asked why he didn't take the book into prison, he replies, to avoid temptation, brother, I've read everything Mr.

26:11Charles Dickens has ever written, every wonderful word, every book except this one. I'm saving it so it will be the last thing I ever read before I die. Maybe James' friend is saving season seven of The West Wing so it'll be the last thing he ever washes.

26:25Nicola Walker:Oh. Oh, that's good. That's great. The thing is, how do you know when you're going to die? Well, you don't. So, otherwise, you've got to read it and then just not read anything again and hope for the best. Yeah, but I think the whole point of that person who originally wrote in was that they were actually, doing that was a real stabilizing force in their life and they were very, you know, that kept them emotionally stable, didn't it? Because they always knew they had something. Yeah, it's like a comfort blanket. Yeah. Like, if you need a new West Wing. I'm all for that. Yeah, except you can always re-watch things and actually it's more comforting, I find, when you re-watch them.

26:56No, this is back to the whole re-watch. Yeah. re-watching is emotional regulation you're not a re-watcher though Boyd are you except the things that he is a re-watcher about they're comedies it's just comedies let's not get into that again I don't believe comedies are re-watches but anyway I know what you're going to say you literally are watching them again but I'm talking about anyway go go go we've already covered this

27:15Jemaine Clement:we've covered this discussion I do do it with podcasts quite a lot I do I like to you re-listen to podcasts no no no no I wait to quite late in the day when they're released to actually listen I like to have a treat of a podcast that I haven't yet listened to among my regular podcast subscriptions. So do you see what I mean? You are adorable. So I went to Budapest last weekend, which I'll get to on the other podcast. Of course you will. Did you go to the Colombo statue? I ask everyone who goes to Budapest if they went to the Colombo statue. I went past it in the car. How did you get out and stop?

27:47Jemaine Clement:You didn't stop and stroke his head? No, I should have done. It is an incredible thing. It is incredible. With the dog. Yeah. No, but what was this? Oh, yeah. I deliberately gave myself some podcasts listen to on that journey. And I do it all the time. Particularly Bret Eats the Nurses one, I like to leave it right late and give me like a little treat at the end of the week, even though it comes out on a Wednesday night, Thursday.

28:07Nicola Walker:You're so cute.

28:07Jemaine Clement:And yet you save the Empire podcast when you're trying to go to sleep. The Empire one I generally listen to the night of, yeah, it comes out. Because you just can't wait to hear more of me. I fall asleep to the dulcet tone.

28:16Nicola Walker:I can't believe you do that. Chris Hewitt? It's interesting. I like the fact that you're able to kind of drift off listening to me be wrong about films.

28:25Jemaine Clement:Yeah, it's a winner all round. somehow it's easy it's more palatable when I'm just falling asleep to you droning on about something is there not a part of you that wants right of reply like do you not find yourself infuriated no completely all the time but quite often I have replied on this podcast I'll use it on this podcast oh I see I've done it before I mentioned your wrong opinions famously the most infuriated the anguist I've ever got

28:52Nicola Walker:oh my god he's manoeuvred in his chair people he has

28:56Jemaine Clement:you did the old the statues you know what's it called the Mount Rushmore Mount Rushmore of which became a thing of horror directors or something like that and no one mentioned Brian De Palma it was literally going on and on and on and on thinking Carrie dressed to kill you know some of the greatest horror films ever made by a genius story and no one's mentioning him honestly I did one too what's wrong with you I must admit I don't have an overwhelming love for Brian De Palma so he would not be on my Mount Rushmore okay well let's just also correct the fact that they're not statues their engravings before somebody else does because I know they will.

29:28I mean, they're not statues. Oh, yeah, right. Good point. Is it an engraving? It's a bloody big engraving. It's kind of a sculpture, isn't it? I wouldn't class that as a sculpture because a sculpture is a standalone. This is carved into the side of a mountain. So I would stick... Maybe engravings, you know what?

29:49Jemaine Clement:A carving. Have you seen that in real life, IRL? No, I haven't. I have, it's fantastic. Did you get out the car, boy, or did you just drive past it? I did get out the car. Oh, okay. Absolutely. In honour of North by Northwest, of course, it's a key scene in Hitchcock's, another director who just about made it through, I think, to that man, Rushmore himself. Yeah. It was quite something. Anyway, back to... Back to our postbag. Back to the postbag. Back to the postbag. Message from Ross. And Ross says, I've been binging and very much enjoying The Pit, but it's an undeniably stressful viewing experience at times, especially the climactic episodes of season one, and one particular character's steady descent into full-on emotional breakdown.

30:26Interested to know how you guys found those intense latter episodes of season one in particular. Follow-up question. What has been your most stressful and anxiety-inducing TV-watching experiences? This is England 86 comes to mind for me. Now, have both of you watched season one of The Pit? No, I haven't finished it, so I can't. Boyd's watched season one. Have you finished season two of The Pit? No. Boyd has not. Has season two of The Pit finished on television yet?

30:52Jemaine Clement:I don't think it has. Okay, because we did say we were going to do a spoiler chat for this. I'll catch up, don't worry. Are you sure? Yeah. Because you didn't catch up with Real Mankind, because we're recording that with that later today. I know, but that's different. I will catch up with The Pit, for sure. Okay. I love The Pit.

31:04Nicola Walker:You've been reprimanded on air. I know. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine.

31:08Jemaine Clement:It's the level of unprofessionalism I've come to expect from Boydy. In answer to the question, I think it was episode six of Industry, the last series of Industry, where it ends in this absolute coke binge hellscape up a tower block. And it's insane. It all swirls around. And Charlie Heaton's in it as this kind of loser journalist who fucks everything up. And it's so brilliantly done. I mentioned at the time on the podcast how fantastic it is. But it's absolutely stressful to watch because it's so brilliantly put together and so tense and effective. That's the thing that comes to mind recently.

31:44Jemaine Clement:I think Tiptoe, the current Rusty Davis show, that builds to an incredible level of tension. If you're only, you know, episodes two and three, but when you get to like four and five, it becomes really, really seriously tense. So yeah, those are the ones that come to mind for me. I don't think I found The Pit Series 1 massively stressful. I've got to be honest with you. That's because you're really human though. Yeah, clearly. No, but I found it like, don't get me wrong, it's exciting and it tends to really feel for the characters, but I didn't find it stressful in a way that was unpleasant. Like it didn't, I didn't find it emotionally draining.

32:18Jemaine Clement:Yeah, they tread that line brilliantly actually between showing you really, really stressful stuff. I mean, every five minutes, there's something awful happening because you're in an A &E department. But somehow not making it too excruciating that you can't watch, even though it's completely authentic, unbelievable. So it's a really clever line, line that they take.

32:36Nicola Walker:Do you know, Breaking Bad, I found incredibly stressful. Really? Yeah. The desert episode.

32:41Jemaine Clement:Oh my God. That's super tense. That is the one. That was so tense when they're getting more and more sunburned. It's actually making me feel stressed now. Okay, we are back in the room having talked about stressful viewing experiences because Nicola Walker and Jermaine Clement just turned up in the studio and we just interviewed with them for Monday's episode of the podcast. That was very exciting. During which time Boydie got lost. Did you, Boyd?

33:03Nicola Walker:Oh, you're so mean.

33:06Jemaine Clement:It has to be, my stupidity has to be exposed. But in my defense, we're recording this in a studio that I've never been in before on a different floor. It's all very back rooms, isn't it? It's back rooms. I've created my own horror film set in a liminal space in my own workplace. And I was wandering around from studio to studio. By the way, the little gaggle of Nicola Walker and Germaine and their publicists, who I know really well, were like, what's happening? Where are you taking us?

33:34Nicola Walker:I forgot where the studio is. Oh my God. And then you text. And I had to text. You text us, what studio were you in? And you were on the wrong floor. Oh, the fuck. I was human. So if we're talking about the most stressful viewing experiences, obviously watching you do that was pretty high.

33:47Jemaine Clement:Absolutely. I'm going to write a hopefully multi-million selling screenplay about my experience. Boyd's experience in the liminal space with Jermaine Clement and Nicola Walker. You've got to let that go now. It was just, it was, it's so understandable. I'm telling you now, I will never, ever let it down.

34:01Nicola Walker:I knew, I know. I could feel in the text, which just said, which studio we're in, that you were highly, highly stressed.

34:09Jemaine Clement:I was going to call, and then I thought, no, that's somehow worse. Anyway, let's draw a veil over it. And luckily, do you know what? Luckily, can you imagine if it had been horrible Hollywood type people, you know, and publicists and all that. Luckily, two lovely publicists from Disney Plus and Jermaine and Nicola were both a delight. So they genuinely didn't mind that I got lost, seemingly.

34:32Nicola Walker:Because we've had it before, James, haven't we, where someone said, if you don't find the way, they're going to come and they're not going to be very nice. Yeah, we're not going to say who that person was. but we were like okay but yes we did a dry run once for someone who was coming into the office and I fucked it up and we went to the completely wrong part of the building I went full board no you weren't there so basically we had to go down to often with our studio building celebrities don't want to come in the front they want to come in through the back which is the way that Taylor Swift came in through the car park and we went down and I took her to a different car park and she was like she looked at me like I was the most incompetent person in life like an absolute shit show but the point she made was like okay this will not fucking wash once insert celebrity's name is here like you really cannot be doing this when they're here I actually nearly shit myself when she did that because it was so scary she was like get your shit together get it together now and so I did the obvious thing I said you know what let's put Steph in charge and I just left he turned to me and he said shall I leave and I went yeah

35:31Jemaine Clement:my big mistake was going to see them in reception anyway and bringing them up to the studio I should have just let you do it why didn't you

35:37Nicola Walker:let me do it I don't know

35:38Jemaine Clement:because I've kind of met a little bit I don't know I just felt I had to kind of organise I felt I would be parceling it off to you would be unfair so I boldly did it myself weirdly they really liked the building and they were taking pictures of the statues inside the building and the things it was a whole it was a whole event

35:55Nicola Walker:okay next time I am the face of this podcast okay I am the meet and greeter I think the takeaway from this is any time talent comes in Steph is in charge I'm steering clear it's just I'm better with directions you know I'm a really good driver do either of you drive? yes no Oh, Boyd. I usually have quite good ducks. Boyd has a driver. He does not drive. It's not the same thing. Yeah. Anyway, let's draw a veil over that. All those valuable lessons. I would say, just to go back to the original question, which I very dimly remember us talking about, in terms of stressful viewing, for me, it's almost always something involving some kind of horrible assault.

36:30And it will just send me into a massive central nervous system shutdown for the rest of the episode. So, and I always use the example of those two episodes of VR, the one where Mark Green gets attacked in the toilet and the one where Carter and Lucy get stabbed, where it comes out of nowhere, this sort of act of extreme violence, just without warning, just drops. And my brain, like, shuts down. Like, I almost, for the rest of the episode, I'm, like, having a low-key panic attack. Like, that's what I don't deal with. Oh, my God. Do you remember the episode where What's-His-Face

36:58Nicola Walker:gets his arm chopped off by the helicopter? Yeah, that's just funny, though. No, it's not funny. I mean, it's kind of funny. So, I often think about that. When I look at helicopters, I think, oh, my God. See, I thought that was quite funny because Romano's a dick. Yeah, but then he turns nice. And then he gets squashed by a helicopter. Spoiler for Dr. Romano. Literally for him. But yes, so it's things like that that will traumatise me. But I will say that Boiling Point, the TV show, monumentally stressful.

37:26Jemaine Clement:Oh yeah, yeah. That was designed to be... Yeah, of course it was because it's designed that way. Absolutely achieved the stress level required. The bear has moments of that. The bear is really stressful watching. Yeah, it's super stressful. those cordon bleu, high-end cooking dramas and comedies. Because it is incredibly stressful. Yeah, it's high pressure, high stage.

37:47Nicola Walker:Anytime there's like a time element, yeah, it's scary. But yeah, but you also find Amanda Land's stressful, so you know, it's very harsh. I do, but that's different. See, that's a different type. That's cringe stress. I find, yeah, you are right actually. Any kind of friend shyman where it's that acute cringe comedy, I find my whole body is wound incredibly tightly. Like, I'm super tense. Every muscle is like tense. And so I don't enjoy watching them at all for that reason. Because it gives me stress. There you go. Right, okay. Do we have time for one more question before Boyd has his hard out?

38:21I know this. His agent sent over a rider. He has to be gone by 12. Right, let's see what we've got. Oh, look. It's about the Paradise Spoiler special. Let's read that, shall we? Oh, God.

38:31Nicola Walker:Oh, let's be nicer to Boyd. He's literally just got two people, or two famous people lost. Do you think that's what happened to the Paradise Spoiler special? Boyd just lost it somewhere in the building. If you don't start being nice to the Boyd. This is from Chris. Chris says, I finally binged Paradise Season 2, had other pressing TV viewing matters and wanted to be able to see the whole thing at once. When I went to look for the spoiler special, I found there wasn't one. Imagine my dismay. I know James will have had some thoughts about it. Any chance we can get a spoiler discussion up on an upcoming Plus?

39:04well I don't know

39:05Jemaine Clement:do you want me to finish do you want me to finish the pit first yeah give him something

39:09Nicola Walker:or paradise

39:10Jemaine Clement:or yeah I can yeah I will do I've been busy I've been writing a book I've been watching Arsenal in the rollercoaster oh it was a problem that was talk about stressful

39:18Nicola Walker:exactly I got real time a friend of mine sent me messages about the Chex Notes European Championship Arsenal thing and why I need to be nice to Boyd today she was watching the match and she was like yeah you're going to need to be nice to Boyd it's all gone together well no it's fine but I only went to the end I mean they And also only in that, anyway,

39:34Jemaine Clement:but it's not going to side-church.

39:35Nicola Walker:No, no, no, we're going to talk about that extensively, no doubt.

39:37Jemaine Clement:It's still been a brilliantly triumphant season. It has, it has. Let's just say that.

39:39Nicola Walker:Yeah. Okay, right, let's see if we've got anything else before you leave. Okay, someone, a wag, I should say, a wag named Tris has sent me a link to an article on The Guardian which she thought you would enjoy, Boydie. Oh, I know what this is. The 20 best corridors in film ranked.

39:58Jemaine Clement:I was going to send this to everyone, yeah, and I didn't have time, but yeah, what a brilliant piece oh my god it's all about corridors this is on the back of Batrooms presumably which is a film hang on you enjoyed Batrooms it is exclusively about corridors he's aware of its of its corridor-ness yeah absolutely it's one of my favourite films of the year because of that because of the corridors yeah wow 100 % yeah bring me a yellow corridor

40:20Nicola Walker:the irony of you being trapped in corridors just now like it is Boyd's Nightmare I re-enacted it yeah just took him back to the last of us part 2 right okay let's see something here from you keep saying

40:34Jemaine Clement:this is the last question I know this is the third time you've said it now I know this is the last question this is actually the last question the actual actual last question and this comes from Ella Ella says just listened to James and Steph's Yellowstone chat and I've previously emailed in about the amazing storyteller that is Mr. Taylor Sheridan and now you are both caught up in his magic can't wait to hear your thoughts and reactions to the upcoming seasons You're in for a wild ride. Landman should be up next for you. I'm pretty sure Steph is a Billy Bob lover. Yes, we've already discussed that particular fetish.

41:08Love the pod. P.S. to Boyd. You said that England have not won any tournaments since 1966. May I correct you that the men's team have not won any, but the Lionesses have. Boyd, your misogyny is beyond the pale. I apologize.

41:24Jemaine Clement:As I said it, I felt, oh God, someone will pick me up on that. No, absolutely. Wow. Wow.

41:29Nicola Walker:Okay, I've turned on you. That's it, yeah. Yeah, fine. All sympathy for Boyd is out the window. Do you know what? Landman is not next on my list. Oh, I've watched Landman already. Oh, have you? Yeah, I've watched Landman. I love it. But you should watch it. Weirdly, Lioness is what's on my... Oh, there you go. It's next on my special ops Lioness. What? Germain to this question. Yeah, that's the one that I want to watch next. Because I started watching that and I interviewed Zoe Saldana for it. And yeah, I really wanted... And I just fell by the wayside. Didn't watch the rest of it. She's undercover in it, not her, but the other person's undercover and so I thought it would be stressful.

41:59Is this where you asked her what spirit animal she was? Did I? Yeah. Did I ask that question? Because I was like, wow,

42:07Nicola Walker:that's a bold question. Did I? I have no memory of that. Yeah. I asked her what her spirit animal was. Yeah, because she says that every role she takes on. Oh, that's right. She said she has an animal, yeah, she has an animal like totem for each role. Yeah. And I was, yeah, that seems like a reasonable question. Yeah, just, yeah. And why wasn't it a lioness? Yeah. Okay. alright I'm just gonna you're gonna let it go okay anyway Boyd's got a hard out Boyd you should probably leave now in case you get lost on the way to the meeting oh you I am literally I've got to find a pod I love you and I believe bye Boyd I believe in the skill of your directions thank you yes you'll be fine avoid all corridors and liminal spaces oh bless his heart bye Boyd bye Boyd okay that's it for the post bag if you do want to send in your message please do send them in to post bag at pilot tv pod dot com.

42:58Okay, it's the moment you've all been waiting for. It is James and Steph's Yellowstone Roundup.

43:06Steph, do you like the horse sound?

43:07Nicola Walker:I love the horse sound. I thought you would. I thought you'd like it. What did you want to call this now? I want to call it Pilot the Dutton Branch. The Dutton Branch. Yeah, that's what I want to call it. Okay? Okay. Fine. Before we get started, because we are going to do season two. Well, one and to really because you'd only seen the pilot when we last discussed this. And now we have both, by mutual agreement, stopped at the end of season two. We have not pressed forward. Okay, I just need to, if you could just read this letter on air. Oh, this is going to go badly, isn't it? I want you just to read this letter.

43:42Nicola Walker:I've written you a letter and I want you to read. Right, I'm going to read this word for word. Just read it. Dear James, I have watched five, is that five? Five episodes of season three. I'm sorry. I love you, but I love Yellowstone more. Steph, Steph. Yeah. Steph, this is a level of betrayal that I'm not really sure that I can countenance. We had a deal. We had an agreement. Do you know how I know that? Because you and I were texting as I was watching the finale and I specifically said, right, we'll stop here and you can't watch anymore until after we record. I feel so ashamed of myself. You should.

44:20You should feel ashamed.

44:21Nicola Walker:I could not stop watching it. Unbelievable. And I thought to myself, just don't tell him, Steph. Just don't tell him. Just don't tell him. But because I am such a bad liar. Yeah, you are. Famously terrible. I just cannot lie. I was like, I'm going to have to tell him immediately. I almost texted you this morning to say, I don't know how to say this. I'm watching one now. I'm really sorry. It's the fifth episode of season three. But I'm not going to talk in any way about that. Okay, this is fine. I, having self-control, I stopped and watched other things. and did not continue with Yellowstone, but that's fine, that's fine.

44:56We'll talk about the first two seasons of Yellowstone. So, now having watched two and a half seasons, Steph, I wanted to raise a point that we mentioned earlier in the show, which is that this is a show that has not been particularly well-reviewed. I think later seasons, so I think the second season got better reviews than season one. I don't know how season three was reviewed, Steph. Why? Because I've been avoiding everything to do with season three.

45:18Nicola Walker:And I've given you so much shit about not watching it. I'm such an arsehole. Yes, you are. But it's interesting, isn't it? because this has clearly struck a chord with people. And I remember people at the time saying, it's a succession for Republicans, which is obviously somewhat reductive. Yeah. But watching this show, I get it. This is not what I would call, like from a storytelling point of view, super prestigy storytelling. Its production values are incredible. The visuals are amazing. The cast is absolutely knockout. But it is very soapy and super heightened. And there's always something, because remember what I was saying last week where the boy falls in a river and then there's a rattlesnake and then his wife gets punched in the face and then she has a brain hemorrhage and then is she going to be paralyzed?

46:03And then she leaves him for reasons that aren't entirely clear. And there's always something mad happening every five minutes.

46:11Nicola Walker:Yes, but the emotional tie that you have to these people is so strong. And I think for me, I don't know whether we talked about this last time, but because you were you, actually of course because it's the whole reason we're doing this this is the origin story of Rip and Beth and that is keeping me going and the other thing that's keeping me going is why on earth has Beth got this seething hatred for Jamie why does she hate him so much and that I need to know what it's all about what is that? because I feel like there's more to it somehow than we've seen because her hatred, like, because that's a weird character because she's, no, but she is, like, because they've all been somewhat damaged by their father's parenting techniques and she in particular, because of involvement, quote unquote, in her mother's death, has left her with a lot of emotional baggage.

47:05And from the flashbacks, we see that, you know, her troubles started quite young. But the way, like, she's beyond venomous a lot of the time. But the way she talks to Jamie is on a whole other level. Yes, he's a massive bellend.

47:19Nicola Walker:Yeah. But he's not. He's a relatively inoffensive bellend. I know why she hates him now. Oh, you found out in season three, didn't you? You are Judas. You really are. I know, but that's why I had to keep going because it was driving me crazy. Because Beth, I'm going to put it out there. I think Kelly Riley's Beth Dutton is one of the greatest female TV characters of all time. For me, she's the absolute heartbeat of the show. and I had to find out what has created and she makes mention of how Rip's created. I think you told me that line before that he said Rip is what my father turned him into.

47:59Everyone, who everyone is now is because of what happened to them in their childhood, in their past, okay? And I could not carry on with it. I just needed to know what it is and you find out, I think it was... No, no, no, no, what are you doing? I'm not going to tell you. I'm just saying you find out. No, but I don't know when it happens. Anyway, you find... Madness. You find out. Anyway, you find out. And now, I understand so much more. Okay, so it's now all clear to you. Let's go back to what the hell has happened. Let's go back to the episodes you're supposed to have watched. I was supposed to have watched, yeah.

48:30Right, okay, yes. Because some of the mad things that happened, and I went to ask, there were some dangling threads here which are bothering me. Oh. What the fuck was going on with the dinosaur? Okay, well, I suppose that... The reason they do the dinosaur thing is like, you know, it's the treasure hunters and stuff. Yeah. And it was more symbolic. I think it was symbolic about them, you know, rather than physically. They were constantly having to fight these people who were digging up because the land is obviously so old and it was built in it and there are treasures like dinosaur bones there.

48:56And I think it was symbolic of somebody trying to take something and it's something that needed to happen to take for him to understand that actually this land was going to be taken from him at a young age. You're saying it's all subtext? I think so. Bone-based subtext? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Because I was like, there's a whole treasure hunter and then there was a van and there was a drone and then they kind of just moved on from that storyline. I think it's just the whole point is that they're constantly having to defend this land. They're constantly having to... It's this patch of land that they're just trying to keep for their own.

49:26And then I think, I don't know about you, but as this series have gone on, I kind of feel like, you know, because lots of people say, it's wrong for one person to own this land and you shouldn't own it. Because he has the largest ranch in the United States. He does. That's what you're supposed to understand from. I don't know how big it is, but pretty fucking big. Yeah. And so what's brilliant about what happens with his relationship with the people on the reservation, what's brilliant about what happens in the alliance between Rainwater and him is just, I love the way they come together and agree to come together and fight against their enemies for the sake of it.

50:06And then they still hate each other, but they know they have to work together. And I love that. And I suppose that's what you're talking about because you keep using the word soapy and you do find this really soapy. But I don't think it's corny. Do you? I think it has moments where, like, you know, like, because with a lot of soaps, it'll be like, right, this is a general story. Let's throw in some mad thing that happens here. So, for example, at various points while Casey is just driving along, a meth lab blows up next to the car to stop him from having to have an awkward conversation. And at another point, he randomly drives past some rapists in a white van who were just like pulled off to the side.

50:45It's so heightened. Yes, but everything that happens to Casey is to advance his character to the point that he gets to, where I am with him now, every little thing that happens to him, it's building to this really great moment. But I know what you, I tell you, so we're introduced to the Becks in season two, okay? So the Beck brothers are these absolutely insane, and universally hated team of evil brothers who will do anything, who nobody ever fights back, no one ever loses. The two best episodes from season two are the episode where they attack Beth in her office. Oh my God. They send a hitman to attack her in her office.

51:28But why I love that episode is because the episode before that, Rip has gifted the house on the ranch. They gave him the cottage. I know, which is beautiful. And called him his son. But the line where she's at the cottage, where Beth's at the cottage with him, and she turns to him and she says, don't say it. Where he's going to say, he's looking at her and he loves her. And she says, don't say it. Say it when I really need it. And then you get to that. It actually gives me chills. And he stops her dead by saying it to her. Yeah. And she's going crazy because she's been attacked. And she, oh my God.

52:03That is the moments in Yellowstone I live for. I live for these moments they're so good and even when when you know the Beck brothers down on the ground and Kevin Costner's kind of like oh my god and he's got the gun

52:18Nicola Walker:pointed at him and he's like you can this can be your last you can tell me where the boy is or you can oh my god the choices that they get are just it's exhilarating the whole thing is exhilarating but I am just so addicted to this show now oh so am I I'm criticising these things because I genuinely don't understand them. But I am obsessed with the show and I am loving all of it. It's just some of the stories... Because we should say Taylor Sheridan writes every episode. Not necessarily on his own, but he does write every episode. Oh, I love it when he's in it as well. Yeah, I know. It's like the horse guy.

52:52Anyway, we'll get onto the Bronco stuff in a bit. But he co-writes or writes every episode. Apparently he experimented with a writer's room. It didn't go very well. So he kind of takes the reins, if you will. but there are moments in this where I'm like okay the whole second season for example is based around the Becks

53:10Nicola Walker:and them but like it is unclear to me what their agenda is because John Dutton is in theory on their side like they are they want to ally with him and to ally with him they checks notes poison all his cows with clover didn't know that was a thing by the way has his daughter attacked kidnaps his grandson it's like if you want someone to help you out I'm saying there are better ways of going about it. Yeah, but he'd already said he wasn't going to help. And this is all about dick swinging. This whole thing is a massive dick swinging competition. It's about power. It's about, they are saying, this is the power we have.

53:45And he's saying, no, this is the power. But the thing that I love about John Dutton is John Dutton wields an unyielding, quiet power. And it is pervasive. And you have no idea when he is going to bring out, literally bring out the fucking big guns. and I love that about him. His character is, oh, Kevin Costner is so good. This is like the role he was made for. But the other thing that's really clever about it is Jamie, for example. So we, you and I both early on, we're like, oh, Jamie's not going to spin off. He's useless. He's awful. And he's a terrible but incredible and necessary character.

54:20And the thing is, I started to feel a bit bad for him. So he gets put in the bunkhouse and he's doing... Well, he voluntarily goes to the bunkhouse because he hits rock bottom, doesn't he? Well, no, no, they make him go to the bunkhouse. They make him go to the bunkhouse. I don't know that they make, because it's when he tries to kill himself, isn't it? Like, he's going to shoot himself, and his dad's like, you can build a new man for the pieces. You can build a new man. And so he decides that he's going to try and almost redeem himself through labor. So he's going to work as a cowboy, and he's going to try and become a better man.

54:49And what I love that moment, when he has the poker game, and he's got three kings, and he folds, because he's obviously very wealthy, and he's not going to take money off these hands. so he's learning a human lesson in that moment. And I thought that was actually a very sweet note. But because when John Dutton says, the biggest, I should never, you needed more time on here, I should never have let you leave the ranch. So you get to a point with Jamie where you think, and I certainly was like, oh, okay, I'm starting to feel a bit bad for him. It's relentless. Like, when he has to admit to Beth what he's done, that he's spoken to this reporter.

55:21Why would he go to Beth? Of all the people, why would you go to Beth? I cannot reveal why he would go to Beth. Okay, because that was mad. Absolutely mad. Because I suppose the thing with Beth... She drags him in front of her father by his hair. But Beth is the one who can actually sort everything out. And you know, really early on, he says to Casey, I need evil around me at the moment. She's evil. She's capable of evil and I need evil. And she is. And she can do things and she doesn't, like, she literally doesn't give it. But she, at the heart of her, obviously is Rip, of course, but she will she can sort everything out like if you've got a problem you go to Beth that's why he goes to her she's super competent oh my god the other episode which I really love is the episode where Monica is in the shop in the shop and they try and set her up oh my god well it's like you know an homage to Pretty Woman but a pretty woman in the fucking wild west where Beth is just breaking shit big mistake huge exactly it's so good that bit See, I was watching that and I was thinking, this is so beyond ridiculous.

56:28But it's also incredibly cathartic. Yes. When she comes in, she just starts smashing the place up and making her strip in the middle of the room. Again, it's that power that she wields. She's so controlled. Her speech patterns, everything she does is so amazing. And another, I'm going to give you a fun fact about Kelly Riley, because obviously I'm obsessed with her and can't stop watching things on her. She is, like me, owner of a schnauzer. She has a schnauz pal. She has a schnauzer, a standard schnauzer that she has 14 and a half called Wagner that she has brought everywhere though. Takes on the road and everything.

57:01It's been on all the sets of Yellowstone. Another reason why we are soulmates. Do you know what really, really upsets me is that over the course of time, we have been offered a number of people from Yellowstone and we've never had them on this podcast because none of us watched the show. We could have had Casey on, you know. Are you fucking joking me? We need to get Beth and Rip in this studio for the next season of Dutton Ranch. We have to do it. Are you actually joking? Why are we so stupid? I don't know. I love Casey. We're very late to this party. It's very upsetting. Here's Rip. I'm interested to know.

57:29So you said last time we did Dutton Branch that Rip was MVP. I mean, Beth is MVP for me. And then those two combined, my God. Yeah, they are the original power couple. For you, he's still your MVP. I love Rip. I do love Rip. I think Rip is just brilliant. But Rip is one of the most morally compromised characters on the show. Because lest we forget, his whole, like, he kills the medical examiner, like, flat out murders him to suppress the medical report. But he's got a bit of a dexterish edge to him. You know, he only kind of kills people that have done something really bad. I mean, the guy was a slightly nihilistic drug addict who was smoking embalming fluid, but was he a bad guy?

58:08I don't know. I think he'd done some other bad stuff. I'm not sure. You'd like to think he had. I want, I need him to have done some other bad stuff. The hand who was bullying Jimmy, and he takes him to the train station, in heavy inverted commas, which he was going to do to Walker as well. and Walker wasn't a bad guy. He framed him for murder and was going to murder him until Casey steps in and is like, no, I'll take you to the actual train station. Yeah, but how annoying was Walker? It's like, just fuck's sake. Because the thing that had annoyed Rip about Walker is Walker was like, yeah, I'm all in, what else am I going to do?

58:38Took the brand and then he did not live up to the brand. Well, his whole thing was, he's like, I'm not going to do, you know, I'll do cowboy stuff. I'm not going to do other stuff. You know, that's Ryan Bingham. He's a country and western singer. Oh, is it? Because Luke Grimes is, okay, who plays Casey, is a country and western singer as well. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, a lot of musical talent on this cast. But yes, okay. But so, you know, like, Rip is, I love Rip, but also he's not not problematic. No, but when he looks at Beth, my God. My God. And in that scene where he says, read me that letter again, and the sun's, you're like, oh my God, it's just beautiful.

59:15Yeah, that's a lovely, lovely scene, because he's so desperate for John's approval. like so desperate for it but also he's very aware that he's not his blood and I think that was a yeah that was a lovely moment when he says there's a line where he says where Beth's like why don't you just leave and he says even if you don't think of me as this is my family even if you don't think of me as family and when he has to move back into the bunkhouse I felt so my heart was breaking I was with Beth when she was like what the fuck are you doing you've taken away from the only home he's ever known yeah it's like yeah I was like justice for Rip but we get that justice yeah because he gets his own cottage not as nice as the previous one if I'm honest with you it has a bigger variety it has a rustic charm I love the way that Taylor makes his villains as evil as he can possibly think he's got the nth degree with all the villains the Beck brothers are some of the nastiest bastards I've ever seen they will stop at nothing and I suppose when you when you're referring to it being soapy yeah and heightened, but it works.

1:00:19It works. I think one of the reasons for that, so one of the big influences for this show was Unforgiven. So, obviously, he's trying to kind of recapture that Eastwoodian kind of Western vibe, but part of that is the moral ambiguity because there are, like the heroes and the villains, there's nothing but a, you know, Marlboro paper between them. It's very, very, and I think you need characters like the Becks because if you're going to have morally compromised heroes, your villains have to be so much worse because Rainwater, is an antagonist. He's not a villain. Dan, you know, early on we think Dan Jenkins is going to be, oh, he's not a villain.

1:00:52He's an antagonist. But he's actually not an awful, he's no worse than John Dutton. Like he's actually, he comes across as perfectly reasonable later on. He's just trying to make a, you know, living. He has such a turnaround. It's so sad. I'm really, I feel sad that he got killed. Yes. Because I think there's a great scene where he comes to John and he says, look, I'm starting to understand this. And he's kind of starting to become, you know, at one with Montana. And his dying words being, I belong here. I belong here. I'm like, I should be here. And it's really, I'm sad that he's gone from serious because I did start to like him and I hated him.

1:01:32Obviously, he was a massive twat. But then he seemed to be coming around and he was the first one to say to John, yeah, of course, we'll help you. When they had that meeting of the three of them against the best. And he offers to let John buy him out. And there's that interesting line where John's like, I'm not a rich man. contrary to what people think. I don't have a lot of money. Which is weird, because obviously Bess is throwing billions around left, right and centre, though it's not technically her money. No. Can we please talk about Jimmy? Oh, Jimmy. I wasn't sure early on that I liked Jimmy as a character, but I have since got a lot of time for Jimmy, the new rodeo king.

1:02:06Oh my God. When he wins that rodeo, and he gets the belt buckle, and he makes that money, and obviously he's making the money to pay off those druggies. His tweaker friends. Yeah, his druggies who have like beat up his granddad. Who, again, they just flat out murder. Yeah, because they murdered his granddad. Yes. So, you know what? That's what I'm saying. It's got this like dexterous quality to it, which is kind of like, oh, well, they should have been. Is there one person that has been murdered in this show, in two seasons of this show, that you didn't think, oh, right? They probably had it coming.

1:02:39Exactly. Well, as Clint Eastwood says, an Unforgiven deserves got nothing to do with it. There you go. so yeah I love Jimmy I love the evolution of his character and the other thing that's great about this show is it has these great little like funny moments these little moments of comedy which are absolutely brilliant and Jimmy's a great source of that and I think you need him that I live a little bit of light and shade I have a problem oh no I have a problem go on hit me all through season 2 until the rodeo Jimmy is wearing a trucker cap backwards what the fuck happened to the hat that all the hands clubbed together and pooled their week's wages to buy you this amazing Stetson Where was that?

1:03:14Why are you wearing a trucker cap? That's just disrespectful. Oh, I didn't even notice that. He still wears it though. He is still wearing it. I've seen him wearing it. I'm going to have to go back. Yeah. Look. I love it when they, I love it when they club together. Yeah, that's lovely. Because he has that straw hat before then. Yeah, that's a lovely moment. I like that a lot. What are the other mad moments here? Obviously, I mean, the assault scene at the office, at Beth's office, is incredibly violent and shocking and horrible. and it's incredible performance from Kelly Riley there. That's amazing.

1:03:46But the thing that actually, and I kind of, you see it coming, you do see it coming, it's heavily telegraphed. When Jamie kills the reporter. Oh, you know he's going to do it. He's got no choice. I mean, he has many choices. You see him lose all sense of reason. And the thing is, the reason he's doing it is fear. That is how fearful he is of his father and the things that he has done in the past and whatever he's done to upset anyone, you'll find out soon. But when he, you know he's going to go after her. But also, oh my God, come on. Like, why go and meet him? What do you think is going to happen?

1:04:23Yeah, I'll just meet you in this incredibly isolated place and then tell you in no uncertain terms that I'm going to destroy your entire family. It's like, um... What I would, the only slight thing about that whole murder is he, obviously, she hits her head, like, he hits her head and then... Strangles her. Then he strangles her. So it's like an actual overkill, literally, that's what they call it, overkill moment. And then it just seems to be accepted that she was in a kayak accident. Do you not see the ligature marks around her neck? Like, we've all watched CSI. I mean, that's a really sloppy medical examiner.

1:04:56It is. And there's little things like that happen. But God, I couldn't give a shit. I just don't care. I don't care because I'm living. I live for every conversation that Beth has with Rip. Where she tells him to kill himself, essentially. No, no, not with Rip. Yeah, okay. But I do love, like you said, I think you said it in our last episode, my God, she's having fun. She is loving this role. And I didn't realise this, but she was 40 when she got the role of Beth Dutton, and now she's 48, and I saw an interview where she was saying she didn't think she'd be playing Beth Dutton at 48, but, you know, what a role to get.

1:05:28And she was talking about how on set in the first year she didn't, when she's on set, once she's finished her scene, she reverts to her British accent, and she says, I know some people stay. she said but she felt stupid and she didn't want to continue her American accent around Americans but she said for the first two seasons she just didn't talk to anyone on set at all which is so I mean I love her I just really want to meet her because I think she is going to be the most amazing woman I think she's going to be as good and better in real life as she is in my dreams Well she's been on this podcast talking to Boyd Yes I know and I love Under Saltmarsh too but yeah and Jamie's going to be a father He is He is I mean honestly what is up I can't remember what his former assistant.

1:06:10What was that? Well, all that was about is she wanted to be a politician's wife. I mean, clearly. And he was stupid enough. Because she was essentially pimped out to him. Yeah, but she was stupid and he was stupid enough to just think and then I was like, oh God, now of course she's pregnant and that's obviously going to come back and it's going to be, oh Jesus. I can't wait for that. What happened to Avery? Oh, you know what? I was wondering about Avery because I thought, did something happen that we're going to find out later? Or was it like some kind of casting, cast issue. Well, they explained it away as she's a drifter and that was just...

1:06:41But I mean, she's not that much of a drifter because like, Rip's clearly known her for a long time. She's worked at the strip club for ages. And she's just gone. Just vanished one day. But you needed her to leave for Jimmy to be, like, go through that emotional turmoil of her leaving in a way. She got fridged. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I wasn't... I like closure. I know. I didn't like that. That bothered me. I thought another great Rip scene was the bit where, you know, this is going to be the hardest thing you've ever done for me that Rip has to essentially throw a fight with Casey. Yeah. And it was just like, Casey's like, yeah, I totally beat you.

1:07:13It's like, did you fuck? Yeah. Nobody beats Rip, we know. But don't you think of Casey's heart? Because Casey is such a softie, like really intriguing. He's a Navy SEAL. No.

1:07:23Nicola Walker:No. He is just a man who loves Monica. That's who he is. Wow. He's so soft. I mean, how many people has he killed since the show started? Yeah, I know. And when he has that conversation with his dad and tells him a war story about what he had to do, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's brutal. But he's just a delight. He's so lovely and he's so handsome. He's so handsome. Yes, I will grant you that. He is so gorgeous. I love his hair. And the storyline, the Tate storyline, obviously the kidnapping, the Beck brothers kidnapping, you really see Casey, like you think you've seen Casey angry before, but my God, when his son has been taken, wow.

1:08:02I mean, it's got all the best things of every heightened TV show and movie, Liam Neeson's taken. You know, everything that you want is in this show. Every emotion. You will run every emotion. I love it. Well, I think also this second season is more focused. It has more drive. It has more narrative propulsion because it's much clearer who the enemies are, what they want and what's at stake. And I think the first season is maybe a little bit nebulous with its overall arching storyline. season two does feel like it's finding its feet more I think the thing is and you've kind of said this already you don't really understand until season two why Kevin Costner because it seems like just out of pig-headedness he's like no I just don't want these things built here but actually in season two you really find out the reason he doesn't want these builds, the reason he's trying to keep this land and he makes mention a couple of times of like I don't even know why I'm doing this because he's doing it for his children He's doing it for his legacy.

1:09:03It is all about legacy. And then, you know, he has that conversation with Beth and Beth's like, I'm your legacy. And she is, and as we ultimately know, but we're waiting to see what happens, she does become the legacy in Dutton Ranch. Indeed. What a place to end now. We've been banging on for half an hour. Oh, have we? There are going to be people listening to this going, my God, I can't believe they're still talking about Yellowstone. But I kind of feel like, if that's you, you probably stopped listening a while ago. So that's fine. Tune in next week when we will be discussing season three or as much as Steph has watched.

1:09:33You are not allowed to watch past season three in the next week. Okay, I won't. I won't watch. I really won't. I really won't. And I do feel bad, but I also feel slightly excited that I know something you don't know because that's never happened before. Well, we'll see how that goes. We will also have a spoiler special for Half Man going up imminently. We haven't recorded it yet, but we're going to do it tomorrow.

1:09:55Nicola Walker:Yeah. Boyd and I are going to do it tomorrow. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. Right, fantastic. That is it for this week's Pilot Plus. Again, thank you very much for subscribing. We'll be back in your ears on Monday when Nicola Walker and Jermaine Clement, fresh from being lost in the corridors of this building by Boyd, will be on this podcast to talk about Alice and Steve. We'll be reviewing Alice and Steve. We'll also be reviewing Cape Fear on Apple and The Witness on the Netflix. Good times. Pilot out.

1:10:31Thank you.