PLUS Shrinking

0:08Kay Ribeiro:Welcome to Pilot Plus, your extended guide to every show that matters. And today we are, I guess, addressing some kind of injustice, though, in typical pilot fashion in an incredibly cack-handed and inappropriate way. Because finally, yes, finally, I am watching Shrinking. Why? Because we're going to review the third season on this particular podcast. But is Kay here? Is she fucked? No, she's not here to witness her triumph, as I've seen her. finally watch shrinking in steph in steph in steph stead is here spoonerism seems to be coming a regular occurrence on pilot plus have you noticed this yes from you yeah yeah from you yeah in steph stead is here and she is instead going to she is in steph sorry going to witness me talking about shrinking but look let's get into this refusal to watch it i don't understand so so this is a show that kay has been obsessed with for a very long time she absolutely adores it now i watched the beginning of season one because we reviewed it we may have done the same with season two i genuinely can't remember but i've never pressed on with it because i found it to be fine but it didn't really seize me so i never really got on with shrinking but she her whole thing was like if she has one thing she wants of me it's for me to watch shrinking so i was like all right fine it's been on the sofa list for a while to go back to but no instead i've jumped in as you know the intended and the intended created i'm still doing it i may be having a stroke the creators intended did i jumped in at the beginning of season three obviously as they would want me to do uh and picked up the story there and so that's what but but so one of my criticisms of this show was going to be this feels like a show that should be half an hour i don't understand why it was an hour long and then steph just before this started you dropped a bombshell by mentioning it is a half an hour show it's just the first episode that is an hour long everyone knows that oh god james so many things wrong because it outstayed its welcome i'm not gonna laugh okay okay hold on right i am exhausted and do you know why i'm exhausted boyd it's me isn't it um i think i do know why is it to do with the apple screeners no boys well yes it is that which i only got the screener yesterday at 6 p.m but i'm exhausted because brimey no tears you've had the whole like you know 14 hours or whatever okay i'm just gonna keep going and try and ignore Both of you who I hate.

2:23Yeah. Okay. So I'm exhausted because Saturday rolled around and I was like, oh, we're doing Pilot Plus on shrinking. I still haven't got the screener, but you know what? People pay for this episode and I'm not going to do them a disservice. I'm going to start, because I didn't watch it, I'm going to start watching it. And in 48 hours - Oh, from the beginning. Oh, Boyd, in 48 hours, I have watched 22, not counting this one, 22 episodes of Shrinking. Yeah. Okay.

2:57Kay Ribeiro:Can I just say, that kind of commitment is something that we just never got from Kay. No, not true. Not true. But I tell you this now, I know why Kay loves this, Kay being one of my best friends, because it's absolutely sensational. I, yes, I did watch 22 episodes. Big words. Yes, I did watch my two episodes, but I loved every minute of it. I was like walking around with my headphones, holding my phone while my six-year-old was telling me that screen time was bad for the brain, right? And I was like, listen, Gracie, go and do some colouring because this is important stuff. I, oh my God. Before I go into why it's so incredibly brilliant in every sense.

3:40Kay Ribeiro:Before you do, for those of people who don't watch Shrinking, give us a brief setup of what the show's about. shrinking so a father who has recently lost his wife um in a car accident is in the midst of insurmountable grief which he is remedying with um hookers and drugs let's just say that okay he has a nosy neighbor liz who has whilst he's had a year of insurmountable grief the grieving process, been helping to raise his daughter, Alice, his teenage daughter, Alice. Around him are a group of people who want to help, but haven't been able to help. But the cherry on the top of the cake is him himself, placed by the wonderful Jason Segel, character named Jimmy, is actually a therapist.

4:32So there you are, set the scene. What he decides to do, so we arrive kind of at the end of this year, he goes into work and he kind of thinks, I've got to do something. I've got to kind of like get myself back in the game. Something's got to happen. And he starts giving advice to his patients, which let's just say is a bit off book. Okay. And I don't want to spoil this because it's such an incredible delight, but what happens next just makes the show incessantly watchable and you cannot and i am proof of that stop watching it for the 22 episodes that happen in the first two seasons and then the hour-long episode our james long episode

5:13Kay Ribeiro:which is the season premiere of season three wow so so because this this to me certainly on paper let's let's assume that for argument's sake i completely forgotten everything about the first episode that i saw but uh it has a bit of an afterlife he set up doesn't it like that grief in Ricky Gervais' case makes him a bellend and in this it just makes him a very very honest no nonsense therapist he kind of cuts to the heart of things as broadly the set up at the beginning no he's a bellend he's an absolute bellend oh okay he's also a bellend so he's basically after life he's basically he has he's tapped out of raising his daughter because he is unable to deal with the loss of his wife he's in the first episode he's got strippers in the pool and his daughter's home but now now now as now everything everyone's settled down and everyone's kind of in a you know how can i put it um every like he does care about his teenage daughter and yeah um or everyone's kind of living quite a good life it's an unconventional trajectory of grief isn't it this is it that's what it is well you see my issue is too strong a word my um explanation perhaps of why i don't find this quite as compelling as you and Kay.

6:29I really like it. Let me make this absolutely clear. I really enjoyed watching it. I did not get annoyed at the hour-long length of this opening episode of season three. But having said that, like James, I have gone back and re-watched the early episodes to fill me in on what's going on. Because quite quickly, they quite quickly let you catch up with how all the characters are going in this quite cunningly structured opening episode. So you catch up with all of them, all of the ensemble. It's quite a big ensemble now. And it's fine. It's quite gentle, or seemingly gentle, anyway. Borderline schmaltzy, which is quite interesting because the characters tell each other they're being schmaltzy in the show, particularly Harrison Ford's character, who, you know, his entire raison d 'etre is to be Mr.

7:17Grumpy, right? And that's quite a funny idea for a therapist, et cetera. but everyone's kind of living a pretty good life now. So the stakes, it's quite low stakes. It's will my teenage daughter be able to go play football well enough to get into the college and be a football player, et cetera, which is quite involving. But what I'm trying to say, I guess, is that it's a bit like Ted Lasso in the sense that, of course, it has some creative links with Ted Lasso in that it's a really pleasant place to be. And I like hanging out with these people. And it's all in a very, very kind of LA, kind of, you know, bright, sunny.

8:01It's always sunny. It's always bright. Everyone's lit. You know, like they're perfect. Everyone looks great. But it feels a little bit low, let's say low stakes. And then, but then just before, well, quick, let me quickly say, just before you think it's completely pointless and I don't care about it, what's really what's going on, It kind of drew me in. And so by the end of the hour-long, controversially hour-long, first episode of this season, this new season, I was kind of in. I'm in, you know, and I would like to carry on watching it. So it's quite cunning. It treads a really fine line between being really schmaltzy, not funny enough, et cetera, and being just – and then right at the end, they kind of give you something quite funny.

8:42You know, there was a speech at the wedding that happened in this episode that I thought was funny and, you know, all the shenanigans. end up kind of just about working, I think. It's quite borderline. It's quite subtle, the way the show is put together and the tone of it. And I think in the end, I found it quite winning. And I think people do. I get why you and Kay is my point, finally. I get why you and Kay, and it's millions of fans around the world, really dig this show, if I can use that phrase.

9:09Kay Ribeiro:And just to clarify, Boyle, just before you jump in there, Steph, how many episodes have you seen in total of the show? I would say probably not more than half a dozen. So just like a few of each season, essentially. Right. Steph, unleash the hounds. I think you're both, you have this show, you've both got it completely wrong. I think what is so great about this show is that actually every single character, and I find the unpredictable dynamic of the characters incredibly watchable. every single character has this simmering discontentment and it's and it's and it's always just another service so while you have asserted that everybody is really happy and it's joyful I think like the juxtaposition of this Pasadena this incredibly you're right yeah everything is bright even when like people are having you know off the cuff therapy sessions they're sitting on a bench all looks wonderful people are eating sweets it's great but actually I think the crux of the show is that everybody is still at a level unhappy and they're just they're just coping they're just coping with this and and it's and it's not actually that they're all having a great time and definitely in season two you really see there's a lot of development in season two which we won't go into because it's spoilers but I think it's how to it's a great it's a great watch and how to how to build your tribe around you but make my mistake this is a tribe of dysfunctional individuals who all have very real problems and I think it's so relatable on so many levels I mean I think yeah maybe I hate to say this maybe it leans more towards a female watcher because it's so empathetic and you you I see so many I see so many people I know in these people and I enjoyed immensely being in their company and I found it very comforting because the characters are so well drawn and they're so well drawn because they're incredibly believable I don't think any of them are overplayed they're just all very sort of normal people trying to navigate themselves through their own grief and whether that's actual literal grief or the grief of the loss of something in their life um it i don't i don't think you've watched enough of these episodes either of you well this was this was what i was going to say i do wonder whether for me certainly jumping in at season three was the worst possible thing i could do because i think to boyd's point i think by the time you get to the beginning of season three the stakes do feel quite low because there's not a lot going on like everyone's just kind of okay and living a fairly normal life over an hour and five minutes and uh and and i was just like i i found it not really very funny there was what there was a mr rogers joke that genuinely made me laugh that was that was probably funny but most of it's like it's it's gently amusing without being funny funny some of the characters certainly some of the line deliveries i found a little stiff and a little bit overplayed and again not to point two fingers but krista miller who plays liz the neighbor her character just felt a little bit too caricatured for me to really kind of believe her as a human being i don't think any of this would matter if i've been through 22 episodes previously because i would have a relationship with these characters and i'd have been through all the travails and the emotional hardship with them and so i think i'd feel much warmer towards them and i think the ted lasso point is is very valid because if you were to jump in at the what was the final season of ted lasso which is now not the final season of ted lasso you'd be like what is why do i care about the show because again it didn't really feel that cohesive at that point but if you've been through it from the beginning you're already really invested in these characters and you're quite interested in the small minutiae of their lives i think it's probably true here as well whereas i couldn't bring myself to care that much about whether or not she qualifies for a football team i was like yeah do you know i mean it's fine like i'm not super bored but i'm not particularly great liz is a great example because you because you haven't watched it you don't understand her character arc and the whole point of her character being just liz the neighbor um And that's what's really clever about this is that actually everybody does have an incredibly interesting arc.

13:16And I mean, I just, as another point, I really enjoyed because a lot of these are directed by Zach Braff and I was a massive Scrubs fan. And he brings people in for Scrubs and obviously like Liz's character, she's from Scrubs and there's several other characters that are, you know, Scrub alumni. And it's those -

13:31Kay Ribeiro:The Bill Lawrence tribe. Exactly. And that for me, and again, maybe that's because that was very much my era. I watched all of Scrubs. I found that warming and comforting as well because it felt familiar. I just think Jason Segel leads this cast so impeccably. I have literally no notes. And I'm really utterly disappointed that you two don't think this is incredible. Do you agree on this third episode maybe isn't a showcase for this show? Third episode, third season. Sorry, third season. I meant third season. Because neither of you have watched the finales of season one and season two, Boyd, for those of you listening, Boyd has done a classic roll of his eye at me.

14:15Right. Okay.

14:16Kay Ribeiro:You got the Boydy eye roll. You're not understanding the jeopardy of the situations they're in. So in the end of the second season, there's a massive amount of emotional jeopardy, which you don't understand is being resolved in this hour-long episode. Okay. Okay, that's fair. Listen. I will. Of course, you're right. But you seem to have been listening to what I said. I really, really liked it in the end. I think it's, I'm kind of, of course you're right. I haven't watched anyone who has only watched half a dozen episodes of a thing that's now how many? Twenty. Thirty-two. Thirty-three episodes is not going to understand the story arcs, et cetera, of the characters as much as someone who has watched them, all like you and Kay.

14:59I totally acknowledge that, absolutely, 100%. You know, even the thing that's happening to Harrison Ford, which is a serious thing and it's moving and it's, you know, it's an emotional thing for the characters to deal with. Even that, if he's got Parkinson's, even that is dealt with within the kind of general tone of the show. Do you know what I mean? In a kind of classic comedy drama mode. and I'm not criticizing that at all and this is to illustrate exactly what I'm trying to say, it's by the end of this hour long first episode, just to reiterate I did really appreciate the skill and the craft that goes on in the show and the subtleties of its tone and the fact that in the end, even though my point is, when you arrive at this series, it feels like everyone's stakes are low even though I'm sure they are just in the whole tone of the show is keeping things on an even keel nothing's too messy and i'm not criticizing that i just feel it has got that tone to it but when you get to the final scene which i thought was very effective and i didn't see coming i was like oh that's really moving and it got me so i'm i'm pro i'm pro shrinking don't get don't put me in the anti-shrinking camp i think it is a really good show that's the bottom line i would also just say that if you have been committed and watched 22 episodes This first episode Delivers a guest star Which you feel like It really gets you It gets you an emotion It really does

16:32Kay Ribeiro:Guest star slash cameo Which is good Well he's not playing himself though Is he interesting? No he isn't No Yeah But it's sensation I can't stop saying sensation Is that a spoiler that he's in it? I've seen that all over the place Well yeah Let's not say who it is Just for people who don't know I mean that is A bit shimmyweb Spoity Steady I'm very much sitting on the shrinking fence unfortunately like this has not made me want to start watching the show unfortunately I'm not like I didn't hate it I thought it was fine which is much reaction I had to the first episode of the first season I just it hasn't seized me I'm sorry I think you really should continue because I think this show has an emotional depth that you should reach weirdly I quite I like the idea year of that and uh and but i can't remember exactly what i thought of the first episode of the first season because i should go back and listen to the review that we gave of it uh but yeah well yeah we'll see it remains as it was on the sofa i feel like k and i should do a spoiler special on season three of shrinking um and just by all means just like you know all right until the next time we uh we we tackle the shrinking challenge that was shrinking which returns for its thursdays not apple tv plus on what day boyd minster well it's out it was out yesterday wednesday so it's all there now and not all there sorry the first first the first episode is there the feature then the feature of hour long episode is there now that's what i'm trying to say i stand by it i think i think this definitely lends itself to a half hour format i'm not sure it lends itself to an hour format yeah it is so that works out quite well your prayers have been answered it's half an hour well 33 to 37 minutes fabulous right let's move on to the post bag

18:20Kay Ribeiro:triage it's the post fact and our first message this week comes from rachel and rachel says in her subject comedies for mel and she says hi gang really enjoyed your list of comedies and have added a few to my list even the dramas from james thank you very much uh my method of finding new comedies starts with taskmaster i just watch everything that's been made by those people i see in taskmaster and i've not been let down yet they're always a perfect length too there you go one on comedy we have another one on comedy here this one comes from Chris Chris Downey and Chris says just wanted to add to the email about 30 minute comedies Steph you're going to like this I want to go to bat for King of Queens is it the King of Comedies?

19:04Kay Ribeiro:no but there's some fantastic stuff in there it was where I discovered the comedian Patton Oswalt who for me is pound for pound the best comedian in the world working today and his back and forth with Jerry Stiller is exceptional any fans of Seinfeld really should check out this show purely for Jerry Stiller it's obviously leagues below Seinfeld but if like me Frank Ostanza was one of your favourite parts of Seinfeld then this is a real treat. I'd recommend the season 2 episode Parent Trapped I can't even remember the A plot but the B plot sees Stiller given control of a pretzel store for a week and it's hilarious.

19:35Kay Ribeiro:Here in Scotland Still Game is a national treasure following the lives of two widower pensioners navigating life in Glasgow. It's a very broad sitcom but it's very very funny at its height pubs would empty on a Friday night to watch it a proper institution in Scotland I think it's been doing great numbers on Netflix so I guess it's made an impact outside of Scotland as well and if sketch shows count Limmy's show is the most brilliantly surreal insanity also he continues let me vote for Ghosts not much more to say about Ghosts it's one of the best British comedies for the past 20 years and then finally it goes without saying that the first 9 or 10 years of The Simpsons is probably the greatest comedy ever created nothing can compete with those early years.

20:17Kay Ribeiro:Anyway, those are my two cents. Love the pod and welcome to Steph. Do you know what? I love you. And I'm just going to give you a great fact also about Patton Oswalt because yes, I agree. He's an absolutely fantastic comedian. And for those who don't know, so Patton Oswalt was married to a lady called Michelle McNamara, who sadly passed away. Michelle McNamara wrote an incredible book called Gone in the Night, which was about her, the hunt for the Golden State Killer, which is one of the most prolific serial killers in America. and it's sensational if you haven't read it and there's a documentary about it.

20:48So yes, yes, yes to all your suggestions and also want to big up Patton Oswalt. Thrown a bit of true crime in there for two to sleep. Yeah, because when else am I going to get to talk about Michelle McNamara and Patton Oswalt?

20:59Kay Ribeiro:There you go. Well, that's fair. That is fair. Okay, question here from John Armstrong. John says, following on from the revelations about James's home life from today's podcast, no longer trimming trees but working out to be battle fit. The question needs to be asked, is he actually Bruce Wayne? We've talked a lot about Boyd's luxurious lifestyle, but I think we've been looking the wrong way. James clearly has grounds. I don't have grounds. Does he also have staff? I do not have staff. Does he have a butler called Alfred Pennyweather? Only if you count Steph. And in questions that might upset him, does he know his beloved and mine West Wing cast have so often been in Law & Order SVU?

21:36Kay Ribeiro:Bradley Whitford and Josh Molina have both played paedophiles. Upsetting! Oh my God, don't tell me things like that. That really is upsetting. would welcome a spoiler special on him and her. Is it him and her or his and hers? I always get this confused. His and hers. His and hers. There we go. Well, him and her. He is his and hers. Him and her is the brilliant British comedy with Russell Tovey and Sarah Soleimani. I'm wondering which one he's referring to, but I think he's referring to his and hers because he said, welcome spoiler special on his and hers and the banana crackers denouement. Oh, yeah.

22:06Kay Ribeiro:So I assume he means his and hers. Not, in fact, him and her. No. Okay, well, you're in luck there, John, because while we will not necessarily be doing a spoiler special we will be reviewing that show on monday's podcast which it turns out is going to be a weird retro kind of catch-up episode the pilot tv podcast on account of there being fuck all on actual television by the way so we're going to cover some of the shows we've missed by the way this is on our admin but we could there is a possibility we could do an itv drama called betray betrayal which is on the sunday in our week actually i've just realized so we could steph i imagine has already watched the shows i have watched the i can't okay okay we're not we're not shifting no we're not shifting okay yes thank you john so yes tune in on monday for some his and hers not him and her action message now here from philip wallace and philip says dear current mailbag incumbent that's part of aggressive uh it has long been alluded to that boyd is slightly older than the rest of the pilot tv crew but i didn't realize how much older until he proclaimed about the world's population being two billion people as this was the population in 1928 when he can only have been a young lad he must have a much better memory than he gets credit for for balance i feel i should also query a pronunciation issue from james that troll rhymes with roll but his trolling doesn't rhyme with rolling i really think it should and for part-time departed k we should suspend her disbelief when watching hard sci-fi rather than suspending her belief, as she says.

23:36Kay Ribeiro:As for Steph, 10 out of 10, no notes. Not yet. You're my favorite. I have had a lot of communications from people pointing out, like, for example, let me quote, Mikey C said, did Boyd Tilton really say on Pilot TV pod that the population of the Earth was 2 billion? Maybe when Trump has finished, it will be, but it's currently more than 8 billion. Oh, is that when you were giving the Netflix facts? Yeah, yeah. So 8 billion. I was only out by, you know. Six billion. It was fine. Oh, elderly boy. Question here from Amar. And Amar says, Hey gang, listening to the pod this week, I have to question James' statement that his and hers has been, quote unquote, annihilated by critics.

24:21Kay Ribeiro:I think initially he mentioned he looked it up on Metacritic where it's 50 % from only 20 critics. And it's 67 % on Rotten Tomatoes from 48 critics. Thank you, Wikipedia. does this really qualify as critical annihilation i saw the show thought it was a classic netflix binge it's nothing game-changing but it is entertaining a good cast and doesn't overstay its welcome and like steph other people i have spoken to really liked it something to help january go by now off to leave you a bad review just kidding five stars as always cheers amal now can i just say that um i'm fully behind him there because you have this habit james and it really is irritating i have to say one of your more irritating habits is to come in and on when a film or tv show has been out for like half a minute and you go everyone hates it it's everyone says it's terrible i'm like and then you actually sit down and look at the facts and you find like immediately i have three four star reviews you know the guardian and the independent or whatever and you know and what what that basically means is james thinks it's terrible and you know some occasionally there are some people that agree with him you're you're a massive case of the defense your honor i i i I stand by the annihilated, I will grant you, might have been at ever so slightly strong term.

25:32Kay Ribeiro:However, it is currently showing us 53 on a weighted average on Metacritic. 53, which is pretty dire. Well, that's above, well, hold on, that's above halfway. That's, yeah, 53. Except that's not quite how the averages work, is it? Because they're either rated out of 5 or out of 10. And if they're rated out of 5, then, like, what's the half at 2.5 stars? Which is a negative review, let's be honest. So it doesn't quite work out. So I would say, realistically, anything below 60 is kind of negative on Metacritic. And to be good, to be really good, it's got to be above 80. But to be even watchable, you're really thinking, what, 70, 75?

26:05Kay Ribeiro:Okay, James, you know what? The people have spoken. And the people love his and hers. So it's over, okay? The people on the ground. Well, look, we'll get into it on Monday's show. I have watched some of his and hers now. So I could already comment, but we're going to save it for Monday's podcast. But on the Rotten Tomatoes thing, I will stand extra. I will double down again on this because I have no truck whatsoever with Rotten Tomatoes. I've said this many, many times because their maths doesn't make sense because 65 % is not a weighted average of Rotten Tomatoes. It just means, or here, 67%.

26:35Kay Ribeiro:It means 67 % of critics gave it a quote unquote positive review, which I believe is like three stars or more. So if something could be 100 % fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, but still be crucially a three star film. So it's utterly meaningless. So we don't listen to Rotten Tomatoes. There have been way too many numbers in the last 10 minutes. Okay, way too many. Yeah. But I think what happens is sometimes you stumble upon an actual review, forgetting even these aggregator sites, which are full of shit. I agree. They're completely annoying. I'm talking about independently, you will see like one two-star review.

27:09And I'll decide that it's been panned by everyone.

27:11Kay Ribeiro:Yeah, this is what everyone thinks of this film. That's entirely possible. You don't really fancy it, let's be honest. I'm a bit like a dog. I remember the last thing I've seen in the last five seconds, and beyond that, I've no idea. Yeah, that's true. And often, by the way, you'll conveniently brush over the fact that, for example, the last Avatar film, that did get genuinely annihilated by the critics. And I'm guaranteeing you won't acknowledge that fact. So, yeah. James, you're a terrible person. I mean, I am. That's an arguably true. Avatar, Fire and Ash reviews. Metacritic. Green, 61 % does not count as annihilated.

27:43Kay Ribeiro:Sorry, Boydie, the facts are against you. I mean, that's not much more than the 53 % we add for the... Ah, but crucially, it is above the 60 % which rates it green. I'm not going to say that it's been critically acclaimed it hasn't, but it has not been annihilated I'm sorry, you are now just as guilty as I am Oh my god, I'm calling it on the numbers chat this is not a maths lesson Moving on Well, I will not come for Boydie I will instead leave that to Ian Robertson whose message starts The Corridor Debate Part 100 Hello pilot peeps I've recently re-watched season 2 of The Last of Us and fully agree with James I'm going to put that on a t-shirt that it's a masterpiece.

28:20Kay Ribeiro:I've also recently started Severance based on many recommendations, including yours. Still getting into it, but it's definitely intriguing. But I wonder if you can clear something up for me. One of these, namely The Last of Us, has very few scenes set in corridors. I wasn't keeping count, but I'd say there's maybe half a dozen throughout the course of the season. The other show features many, many, many corridors, huge amounts of corridors. Literally half the show is people talking in corridors. So why did one trigger Boyd's corridor alarm and not the other. Also, is it just people walking and talking in corridors he objects to?

28:53Kay Ribeiro:Because as a diehard Doctor Who apologist, I'd imagine if people were endlessly running up and down them, he'd be ecstatic. Also, in the same vein as James' West Wing ban, how about a ban on Boydie mentioning Seinfeld and Curve for the duration of 2026? Oh, yes. Finally, just in case Boyd feels this email is singling him out, James, you are still wrong about Lower Decks. It's amazing and far less silly than Strange New Worlds. You can't say you like your Star Trek series and then endlessly talk about how great the K-pop Klingons are in Star Trek Strange New Worlds. That's fair. Okay, I'm just going to say, I'm really glad I came out of that unscathed, right?

29:28Because that was an assault. Yeah, that was a bloodbath. Yeah, it really was. I just, Boyd is, Boyd, you can't get Boyd to stop talking about Seinfeld and Larry David. You just can't, because we've tried. And it doesn't work. No, you can't. I don't think you've even tried. No, I wouldn't, because I love Seinfeld and Curb, and I love, you know, I wouldn't ever get you to stop talking about that.

29:48Kay Ribeiro:No, I would never remove a source of joy for Boydie. No. Because I'm good that way. You're a delight. You really are. Wow. Jesus Christ. Okay, so what's the deal with the corridor thing then, Boyd? What's the problem? The corridor thing. Do you know what it was? I think it was, there was a few scenes in The Lost of Us where people are tracking each other down corridors and it's like you get in video games, you know, kind of first person shooter, as I believe they could be. That's what it reminded me of. the corridor-based scenes in those kind of games, and I felt they were a bit repetitive. But I completely acknowledge that, of course, Severance almost is entirely set within ultra-white corridors and is quite claustrophobic, to be fair.

30:28Yeah, and deliberately so, of course. But yeah, I mean, including, of course, the finale of the last season was entirely set in the various corridors of the Lumen Industries base. So, yes. But it's a different type of corridor, I think, to what I was thinking of in The Last of Us is the only explanation I could make.

30:43Kay Ribeiro:Ah, that is the type of corridor. And we've already established that your favourite genre is plane films and plane shows, and that's basically a flying corridor. Exactly. Yeah. I feel like it's a weird thing for you to have taken against. I spend a lot of time in corridors with you because we walk and talk sometimes when we're going to go and get tea, and I feel like our kitchen is corridor, isn't it? What I call the local kitchen. We're very corridor chatty. It's a little bit of a corridor. I don't think it's – not compared to what you get in The Last of Us or in The Seven. Not like a lengthy corridor.

31:13Okay. No. Well, you're not being pursued by, like, fungal infected.