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26:03Right, we've got a fulsome bag, and we start with Ben, who says... Hello, gang. I recently started watching Legends on Netflix. 30 seconds in, 1990 appeared on screen. 20 seconds later, I watched a character walk into a party where Set You Free by Entrance was playing, a song which I immediately knew because I was in secondary school at the time, wasn't released until 1993. Despite this egregious error, this isn't from James, by the way, I carried on watching and ended up loving the series. So my question is, what's the quickest a TV show has managed to annoy you and did it win you around in the end?

26:39Ben.

26:42I feel like Steph has got loads of answers to this. No, I haven't. Well, I mean, I'm living in fear for my life at the moment. So if I'm being completely honest, and I am going to be completely honest, as always. Always be honest. The quickest a show has annoyed me is, right, okay. So, right, I'm just going to say now, okay. Yes, I've received all your messages of upset about the Vampire Lestat. And even though I went on and said, guys, I'm going to watch the first season, right. So, Kay, have you watched the show, the Vampire Lestat? I've watched, what was the first? Right, okay. So, here's the key, right.

27:18So, sorry, I'm going into a ramble, right. But this is the point that I'm going to make, right? The first two seasons are called Interview with a Vampire, right? And then they change the name, right? What I would say is if you change the name of something, third season, that messaging, I can't stop saying messaging this time, right? That messaging is… That's your messaging for today. Yeah. That means like, oh, okay, we've changed it. So actually, you can start here because it's not the same. We've changed the whole name of the show, right? So I didn't watch the two seasons before and watch this one, which we reviewed which I did not enjoy and I said I did not enjoy it that's allowed no no it isn't apparently because now I'm living in fear for my life because everyone has gone crazy about it are you scared to answer this question now as a result no I'm not scared to answer the question because the thing that's most annoyed me is the vampire Lestat but what I would say is I am mid my Lestat journey because I've committed to watching um the first season of interview with a vampire to see if it is as shit as what I believe the vampire is stuck to be it might be fantastic right so what I'm saying guys is that's my answer right to be continued okay but that's my truthful answer this is the thing she's Steph is very magnanimous and she will admit her mistake if she feels a mistake has been committed and that's what I've said I've said yeah look stop getting so upset with me it's got a different name had James revealed to me before that there There were two seasons before and it was absolutely incredible.

28:45I would have gone, you know what, guys? Okay, so I think what we're getting to the bottom of this now is really this is James' fault. Let's stop. Let's stop trying to conceal the fact that James is a monster, right? And let's just get it all out of the open. Well, Steph, that's a very nice entry point for my answer. Great. Go for it. Oh, I know what it is. My answer is Monster, the Ed Gein story. Oh. Is it Guy or Gein? Ed Gein. Gein. Gein, yeah. Gein story, right? on Netflix because I remember watching it and we reviewed it on here and I found Charlie Hunnam's voice in it so weird and unsettling and just odd and annoying that I and I later like realized and found out through researching that he'd actually been inspired by his um Geen's actual voice he managed to get his hands on some audio however it just put me off and I couldn't I mean also So it's the kind of show I wouldn't probably want to continue anyway because of the nature of it.

29:40That is not your bag. I couldn't stand it. And that annoyed me so much. I, along with my dislike of true crime. Well, the thing is, I... Cease to watch anymore. Do you know what, Kate? I have said publicly that that is probably my absolute limit. And that I don't really, like, I can watch any true crime. But Ed Gein, Monster Ed Gein, was so extreme, it actually went too far. I mean, the real story, if you don't know, it's Ed Gein was a man who, the Buffalo Bill, he made chairs out of people's skin and it was absolutely horrendous. You know, the whole thing is awful. Buffalo Bill from Science of the Land.

30:18Yes, sorry. And yeah, so the actual true story is so horrific. But in some way, they managed to make it so, not that any of this stuff is particularly palatable, but it was so unpalatable that season. I was like, I just can't. It's unwatchable. I watched the whole thing. It was extraordinary, yeah. But yeah, that's a good example. That's a great answer. Do you have one, Boyd? I have a couple came to mind. Oh, a couple. Yeah, one show is indelibly imprinted on my brain because it should have been like a really quality, prestigious show. It was called Close to the Enemy, and it came out in 2016, oh, 10 years ago.

31:03And it was Stephen Poliakoff. Great maths. Yeah, Stephen Poliakoff, the highly respected and very, you know, very good writer, dramatist, etc. It was set just after World War II and it was kind of about, you know, how to deal in London, what's happening with the powers that be in London after the war. But it starred Jim Sturgis. You know the actor Jim Sturgis? Yeah. So I've mentioned this before. and he gave the most bizarre, whispery performance. Oh, yeah. Aren't you anti-Jim anyway? Did you not like him in one day? Was he in one day? I mean, he was fine. He was in one day, yeah. I'm a bit anti-Jim.

31:42Nothing personal. What have you taken against Jim? Yeah, he hates him. I don't know why. I took against him. We love the Scourge. I took against him 10 years ago when I watched this show. He's in a decades-long feud. He's got a feud. He has no idea. That's what I'm aware. He has no idea. He's got beef. 10 year old beef poor old Sturgy his whispery performance and Stephen Polikoff directed the show as well Stephen Polikoff I blame him he should have said to Jim Sturgis after one minute of filming Jim why are you doing this whispery thing just just turn the volume on it's fine they can't hear you the floor's over the Germans aren't going to bomb you because they're listening to what you're saying you know so it really annoyed me that whispery forwards and so yeah I've never let that go that's one thing that annoyed me after five seconds you did come round to Jim Sturgis in the mixtape yes he was good in the mixtape he's a good actor he's a really good actor I'm just trying to stop you getting any Sturgis hate you don't want to get the vampiric backlash I'm getting back I'll tell you I'll tell you for nothing unless unless his family are listening hearing about his family I won't get the same you don't know Boyd you don't know we've got lots of listeners no no no there isn't the level of fandom I believe for close to the enemy an obscure well again you have no idea you stuck the boots in again because you don't know that Boyd You don't know that.

32:57Steph, there were no vampires in it. It's fine. I'm going to be fine. Okay. What you don't realise is you've literally awoken the vampire fans. Fucking oh my god. Do you know what? They're very emotional. But I love vampires. Listen, I watch Twilight all day. I love it. Vampire Diaries, sign me up. It's just this particular show. Okay. Listen, you'll be fine. Just stick a garland of garlic around your neck. You're all right, baby. Yeah, you'll be okay. Now, Boyd, what I would say is - Anyway, I'm finished yet. Go on. I'm going to make a comment about what you said. What I would say, Widow's Bay, is you are so sensitive to sound.

33:29This thing's too loud. Jim's too quiet. What's the deal? What's going on? What does I say when it's too loud? Too loud. Widow's Bay, they're all too loud. Oh, yeah, they're shouting. Yeah, they're shouting. Yeah. No, you've got good points for bringing up. Thank you. They need to modulate these actors and directors. Yeah, it's them that needs to change. It's definitely their problem. It's their problem. They're either shouting too much, as you said in that first episode, or they're whispering. And, you know, there's a fine line. Do you know what, Steph? In the main pod yesterday, it's record, I said, because we were reviewing Murder is Benidorm.

34:03No, Benidorm is murder. That's the right title. I should rename it. That's shown just after Van der De Vork. Oh, my God. Oh, God, you're never going to let me live that down. Anyway, we were describing the characters and one is a curmudgeonly middle-aged old man and the other one's a bubbly psychic. and I was like oh Jesus and he's axing it out right now with his sound fascism yeah anyway my final answer to the question I have another answer I forgot we were on that I don't know if either of you were on the podcast when we reviewed this show but it was a very early last year 2025 on Disney Plus I believe Shifting Gears remember this which was the Tim Allen sitcom oh I've heard your hatred of this I was I was here yeah Right?

34:53He was set in a mechanic. He was like a mechanic. And it's set in like a car, you know, fixing shop, whatever you call it. Yeah. Yes. And it was so aggressively unfunny. Yeah. And so awfully sick. It was a hate crime. It was so sitcom-y and like everyone was acting in that way and everyone's being, I'm in a comedy. I'm going to act like this. It was horrendous. One of the worst things. He was trying to get those kind of home improvement people back. That's what he was trying to do, wasn't he? And the home improvement people were like, no. Yeah. Yeah. Ricky Gervais, do you remember the line he said at the Golden Globes?

35:23Oh, God, yeah, don't. I love Tim Allen as well. Tim Allen and Tom Hanks, both in Toy Story together, right? So they came on together to present an award at the Golden Globes. Ricky Gervais introduced them by saying, so we've got Tom Hanks and Tim Allen. Tom Hanks known for Toy Story and all the, he listed all the films that he's been in. And he went, I'm Tim Allen. I know. And I loved Home Improvement. He should have maybe just, Oh, come on. That is a great background sitcom. Yes. Great background sitcom. That says it all. You need background sitcoms in life. I don't think they're aspiring to that when they're making it.

36:02No. I'm pretty sure they're not. I mean, that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, that's the answer. I think we answered that question fully. Yeah, we did. We gave a fulsome answer. Right. Now we turn our attention to Martin. He says, hi, Pilot TV. Just wondering, since we have had so many revivals of shows in recent years, Frasier, Scrubs, Fuller House, Twin Peaks, Dexter. Some worked and some are completely pointless. What have been some of your favourite revivals and which shows would you like to see have a new lease of life? Thank you. And loving Steph as a more permanent addition was laughing my head off at how thirsty she was for Bridgeton Bossoms on the last episode.

36:40Martin. Oh, Martin, thank you. I needed that. I needed that. I hope you don't like vampires as much as everybody else. Oh, I hope you're not upset by the vampire list. Right. Do you know what I'm really excited about? God. But it's a film, but James isn't here, so it's fine. As you know, My Love of Murder, She Wrote, and obviously, yeah. Did you read? Jessica Fletcher. Yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis is going to be playing Jessica Fletcher. I think that's good casting. Oh my God, it's sensational casting. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm really excited about that. Isn't the question about stuff that was already been off?

37:15No, no, but also in which shows would you like to see Have a New Lease of Life? Apologia Boyd is a Jew. I can only Apologia. Thank you. Apologia accepted. I've got some answers if you want. We want your answers. Go on. I would love to see House rebooted. Oh, that's a great one. I want to see Hugh Laurie doing the rounds again. That would give me a lot of joy. What I would say, though, with House is that now we're in the age of the pit. The pit has, and we'll get to the long-awaited special discussion of it, season two, but The Pit has within each hour little house-style medical mysteries that are diagnoses.

37:55But it's not Hugh Laurie. Oh, no. That's the thing. I'm not saying, I'd love to see it as well, but they've thrown down the challenge for house in this day and age to be equally dazzlingly put together. But I know I'd love to see that. Of course, there was recently, wasn't there, some woman slagged off house. Did you see this recently? Yeah, online. Yeah, she didn't get attacked. And Hugh Laurie answered her on X and actually literally defended the show brilliantly, saying, actually, this show was not just a formulaic, you know, mystery of the week show. I mean, he's absolutely right. House was brilliant.

38:27So, yes. I want to add Bergerac to the list of good revivals, by the way, which has now come to BBC One, I think, or on iPlayer. You can watch it. And then, okay, these are throwbacks. Go on. And they're a bit tongue in cheek, right? Do it. come on tell me you don't want to see a bit of a reboot of el dorado oh el dorado what is marcus tandy and pilar up to now oh my god they think oh that's slick back hair of marcus's what's jesse bird up to let's see doing el dorado the sunset years they could call it oh yeah with trish is it trish let's make it babes let's make it no what's the name bunny we'd like yeah bunny Yeah, the older ones.

39:08Let's do it. Let's see them. Okay, and the last one I would add, and again, it's an older one, but I've always wanted them to bring back Krypton Factor. Okay? Yes. And I've looked it up. Gordon Burns, 84. He could still do it. That's middle age now. Yeah. That's fine. He could definitely do it. With Blue Zones, anything's possible. Yeah, exactly. And Blue Zone could be one of the Krypton Factor zones. Yes. All right. So I'm saying bring back Krypton Factor. maybe with Gordon maybe someone else those are great examples I'm pretty sure there was a Crypto in Factors revival with someone else presenting it yeah I went them to bring back did you ever watch Damages I know I mention this all the time but I do think now bringing back together Glenn Close and Rose Byrne oh my god that would be a good combo well there's talk of that I think there's talk of that what are you talking about since when he's talking why are they not talking to me I don't know I mean obviously only a matter of time before they talk to you but I'm sure I read, Getting Closed did a lot of publicity recently.

40:07She's been in quite a lot of stuff and I'm sure she's been asked a few times about a viral and she's like, yeah, that's one of the things I'm most proud of. And I'm pretty sure that it has been, yeah, not confirmed, I don't think, but I think it's definitely a possible thing. Do you know what I would like sort of to be revived, but I don't, it can never really be done because it was kind of perfect, but I'd like, I feel like I never saw enough of it, my so-called life. Oh my God. Oh, hold on though. Yes. With Jared Letter, who is in the news right now. Is he? Yeah, haven't you? Yeah. Oh, wow. I haven't seen it.

40:38That news is broken today. Okay, it's a Google for later, Steph. Maybe you will do a joint Google. Just on the cryptic factor. Yeah, I just want to go back to cryptic factor myself, just very quickly to say, an interesting fact I learned while Googling it the other day. In the last few minutes? No. Yesterday, Boyd, when I was diligently doing my research yesterday, is that, did you know, Ed Sheeran is the second cousin of Gordon Burns? That is an absolutely sensational fact, and I commend you highly. The second cousin. Yes, the second cousin. Oh, okay. It's a thing. Yeah? Yeah. I thought that was interesting.

41:10Anyway, I can confirm there was a revival of The Krypton Factor in 2009, which lasted for, I think, one series, and it was hosted by… Ooh. Who? Gordon. Can you guess? Gordon. Ed Sheeran. Ed Sheeran. Guys, I was not bored. Hey, you're my second cousin. You can come and do it. Yeah. No, Ben Shepard. Oh, he's a good guy. Good choice. It lasted two series, 2009, 2010. Bring it back. We need to go on it. Where are we at with the Crystal Maze? Did that have a revival? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I feel like it has. 100%. And then they did an experience in London. I did the Stephen Merchant, weirdly. Did he host that?

41:50Am I imagining? Did I dream that? I can see him doing it. I don't know. It's a number crunch. It paid me so much when they had to get the gold and silver things at the end. and you're like, why can't they just pick up the gold and silver things and stuff them into their thing? That drove me mad. Do you know what the most irritating thing about that part was? No. Why jump around like idiots? Just go to the floor. They're stuck on the floor. Just pick them up. You've watched the show. Tactic. Get a tactic. Get your tic-tac right. There was a one-off celebrity revival hosted by Stephen Merchant, as I thought.

42:21Of Crystal Mays. Of Crystal Mays, yeah. And they did another series as well. Yeah. I loved it when they had to decide, like, should we get him out? Should we get him where basically that person was completely useless and not going to be of any assistance to them for the rest of the time? I'll get you both out. Leave him in. Well, I don't know about Boyd, actually, but I'd get you out. Don't get Boyd out. No, I need to come out. I'm nimble. I can get through the, yeah, it's fine. I'll tell you what one of the better revivals of recent years was, was Dexter Resurrection. Oh, that's gone. Yeah, that is good.

42:51But it was interesting because then there was the prequel series, which came out before it, which starred Patrick Gibson, and one of my favourites from the OA. Right. And that was sadly, he played the young Dexter. Oh, yeah. What happened to that? That was like almost simultaneously, practically. They did them together, didn't they? Well, they definitely came out one after the other quite soon. And the prequel one just did not work. Do you think it was a timing issue? No, no, no. It just wasn't well done. It was just very clunky. It was just rubbish. Whereas Resurrection is back soon, I think, for another new season of that.

43:25yeah very sludging oh I'd like to see brothers and sisters come back I love that Dave Annabelle okay one of your faves yes we saw him yesterday yeah he was what do you mean you saw him yesterday Lioness he's in Lioness I thought you mean you actually saw him yesterday if I saw him yesterday you wouldn't know about it I wouldn't be waiting until the podcast to announce that you'd be getting a phone call straight away going hi it's Kay Annabelle yeah Kay Annabelle right next message comes from Darren Darren. Not Darren. Not Darren. Not our Darren. Producer Darren. Yeah, our editor Darren. Right.

44:01James and Boyd. I find it fascinating that you've never mentioned how you have singularly failed to hold on to your third colleague. Basically, it seems no one can manage to work alongside you for longer than a couple of years. Perhaps you should take a long, hard look at yourselves. On the topic of new colleagues, this is a shout out to Steph. I love the current job share and both Beth and Kay were and are brilliant. But I think Steph brings amazing Terry energy in her polarized views of some shows. In a world of constant content, it is great to hear the passion of her opinion either way, helping us decide how to spend precious watching hours.

44:37Finally, so first of all, Steph, how amazing. After you talk about... Darren, you've lifted my spirits. Oh. Thank you, Darren. I needed that. And he continues and he says, finally, I want to end the cat and dog debate. Oh, okay. Okay, can I just... Yeah, I know. No, I know about this. It's another one of my opinions which really got me in hot water. Remember, Darren's your number one fan and he says, Imagine a vampire cat series. Don't stutter up. Do not stutter up. Why would you say that? I'm literally going to get cancelled over a vampire. He's being subsly provocative. Don't listen to him. Right.

45:12Darren says, I've always had cats. Currently, Fred, Nigel and Ron. Brilliant names, Darren. Oh, great. But I love dogs too. The discussion should not ever be about one versus the other. The choice is all about what you are looking for. Dog lovers are looking for a constant dating companion who is dependent on them. While their love is unconditional, it does come with a requirement to set your routine around their needs. Cat lovers want a housemate to share a space with. The cat can just be as loving as the dog, but their independence means you can live a life not centred on their needs. Well, beautifully put.

45:43Darren, what a ledge. If you want more discussion of this dogs and cats issue, and it's not a versus, he's absolutely right. is a, you know, I can't, I'm allergic to a lot of cats. So I often can't really get near cats. What do you mean? What do you mean a lot of cats? Well, like when I'm in the vicinity of people with cats, some of the time I immediately get allergic response. Not even the cat? No, no, no. With a cat in the room. So even if they're caring for... But not all cats. I'm allergic to some cats, not all cats is the problem. Yeah, but what I want to know is which cats you're not allergic to.

46:14So how do you know? I haven't made a list. Okay, that's interesting, isn't it? I suspect there's going to be a test coming on. Anyway. Anyway, that's by the by. The point I'm making is, yes, is that there's a difference, as well expressed in that email. But also we discussed this matter in the exclusive Ricky Gervais interview in Heat Magazine, out now, on the shelves of your local newsagent or supermarket, et cetera. And we address, Ricky and I, Ricky addresses the difference between cats and dogs, because I asked him why he's an alley cat. It could have been a bunch of dogs, right? So we discussed the info.

46:47So fans of that discussion. and fans of Ricky should read that interview. I'm assuming the answer is because dogs don't swear because they're little angels and they would never do that, whereas cats are just effing and jeffing all over the shop, right? Well, as we'll see. I mean, again, you're getting yourself into an alter and it's totally your own, it's water of your own heat. I am my own worst enemy. I read this quote the other day, which was, the older I get, the more I understand why cats just fuck off mid-sentence when you're talking to them and walk away. and I was like, that is so true.

47:19They do. Like, you can be talking to them and they just turn and they're like, I'm out. I think that was Ricky Gervais as well. Was it? By the way, yeah. He's been talking a lot about catching the bomb recently. Was that quite from Boyd's interview when you put it through and you edited it? I think it probably was. I was editing the magazine that week as well. So yes, I read this great interview. It was this guy. I think it was something. Anyway, more on this topic in the interview with Ricky, by the way, on the Pilot TV podcast, the latest episode. And our review on the next main podcast as well.

47:47Yeah, that's what, yeah. Right, now for a message from, oh, I thought you meant your interview with him from the last main podcast. Because we've recorded four this week, Boyd, it's getting confusing. It is. It's a lot of numbers. A message from Derek now, who says, hi, a belated welcome to Steph. I hope she hasn't been put off by how weird we all are around here. I feel like you've curated these because you felt like I was down. And also, you know, I was under attack, severe under attack. DMs, online, they're getting me. She's made them up. No, I have not made them up. Darren and Derek are real.

48:20On the watching habits and the short form, an observation from a recent long haul flight. Yes, the youth are watching longer things like Stronger Things. Stronger Things. Stronger Things should totally be the name of a show. Just about things that are stronger than you think they would be. It's because I read the word longer. No, I like it. Stronger Things. No, okay. I think we all know that I was grappling with Stranger Things. Right. Anyway, so they're watching Stranger Things. It's more of a how they're watching it, though. I couldn't help but see a neighbour on the plane watching Stranger Things, Stronger Things, on a tablet, but also constantly touching the screen, checking the time left and skipping forward 10 seconds frequently.

49:01So there is an attention thing there, but the youth seem to have found ways around it. My opinion, long form is still king and will stay that way, especially as Netflix numbers are only going up and up. Thanks all, Derek. Oh, so it wasn't really a, it was an observation really, rather than a. Yeah, I like an observation. No, I like an observation. I think you should skip forward stuff, especially not strange things. Do you know what? I have found, stronger things. I have now found that I fall into a habit of not skipping forward. And I don't, I thought it was just specific to when I'm watching stuff work, but actually in real life too.

49:35I often click on to see how much time I've got left or something. I don't know what it is. It's like regularly checking. I think that's okay. That's just time management. I think that's fine but before before like the stresses and strains of life I think when I was a kid or in my 20s I wasn't checking time left because I was just like had all the time to work you're time poor now yeah you probably didn't have you didn't have Netflix shows that go on for hours and you need to check how long they are but I mean I wasn't looking at like oh the bill's on what time does it finish no you knew the time slot what's the time on my clock you knew the time slot for the bill was a strict half hour that's why but this is the equivalent of when you're in the cinema watching an inordinately long film like, I don't know.

50:14The Odyssey. Yeah, right. Of checking your watch, right? For me, the number of times the frequency with which I check my watch when I'm watching a film is a very good judge of how much I like that film. I cannot bet. I don't wear a watch. I know you're both, you know, you're both watch. I don't wear a watch. You wear an Apple watch. I'm not. I'm holding up, listeners, I'm holding up my watchless wrists. Do you know what this is, Feg News? Oh, God, I thought you both wore a watch. I used to, back in the day, I used to wear a watch. I can't wear a watch. Do you know why? Just the pressure. I can't bear it.

50:46And in my car, I have my clock like 35 minutes faster than the actual time, just to calm me down because I'm always late for everything. So I'm like, it's okay. I've got 35 minutes. But you're still late. What's going on? I don't know. There's something wrong with me. But yeah, I don't like the pressure of having time. Right. Now for a message from Vasilis. Vasilis? Vasilis. Vasilis. Hello, great people. Vasilis. Vasilis, yeah. Hello, great people at Pilot TV and Empire. Hi, V. Thanks for keeping me company on all my drives and school runs and transatlantic flights since, I don't know, 2010. I found a question for the group.

51:21Feel free to admit the parts in brackets. I'm not going to. She's a law unto herself, V. She's a law unto herself. I'm reading it all. Trying desperately to follow all the inconsistencies and tonal shifts of Agatha Christie's seven dials, I came to realise it was obviously written by AI, at least at first pass, and excluding the first and last 10 minutes of the series to cater for Helena Bonham Carter and Martin Freeman. And then actually I won't read that. He just gives an example of what he thinks that is. And then he says, as it is not the first time this becomes obvious, I ask you, which other TV shows feel like, in inverted commas, obviously written by AI?

51:58See how careful I am not to put you in hot water. That wasn't records. I would start with Marvel TV's output from 2022 to 2025, highlighting the clear AI slot that was Civil War. And then he said, being an IT guy delving a bit into AI and linguistics, an interesting tidbit is that we non-native English speakers are better than you in spotting AI gobbledygook, but very bad in spotting bad acting. Something to do with meaning and context, though it's not clear what. Cheers and love to lovely Kay from Greece. First of all, I think we have to make it clear that despite what that correspondent said, these shows have not been made with AI.

52:38that is absolutely not the case are you 100 % sure yes look listen what was the he said first pass he wasn't saying Civil War I mean you know that's it's just not Marvel is not making one of its biggest films ever using AI it's I know it's a way of critiquing a film by saying it feels like AI slob you could say you know that's fair enough which is what he said right but I think he was actually implying that it was made with the help of AI well I don't want to get Vas in trouble so I'm going to say he was implying we don't want him to get a Marvel lawsuit exactly so leave the cinema alone. And equally, Seven Dogs was written by Chris Chibnall who was a very, very respected and admired and excellent writer who wrote Broadchurch and was in charge of Doctor Who for a few years.

53:19So Chris Chibnall is not going to allow his own show have any involvement with AI. I can guarantee you that. So I take it on board as like a way of critiquing something but to actually suggest the use of AI in a show like that is not fair. This is a whole vat of hot water we're not going to jump in. Yeah, but do you know what? If you want to see something hilarious about AI writing something, then you should watch the comeback because that deals with it so well, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, that's so funny. We didn't mention that in the first question about the revival. Oh, of course. A very good example of a revival.

53:52One that we cherish. Anyway, we take on board your - Oh, nice. Very nice. Right. I think time for just one last one. Do you want? Yes, absolutely. We're nearly at the hour mark. We're nearly at the hour. Okay. Magic hour. We don't want to outstay our welcome. No. Message from Chris. he says hi pilot gang i haven't watched dtf lewis yet dtfst lewis yeah i don't know no and but he said he's a huge steve conrad fan from the days of patriot it's near the top of my long watch list some of boyd and james criticism of the pacing and tone of dtf reminded me of patriot the story of a spy trying to do his job under the guise of working for a very dry and boring engineering firm It was extremely, shall we say, deliberately paced.

54:34And while there wasn't a single joke in it, it was funny by virtue of some of the absurd context and some of the characters being funny by virtue of their casting. It was beautiful, melancholy, and also had long-establishing shots and periods of silence. I think about this show all the time, and from Steph's review, I think I'll really enjoy DTF St. Louis. I'd love to hear what the team thought of Patriot, if any have watched it. Up the pilot, Chris. I haven't seen Patriot so I don't remember watching Patriot either no but if he likes it so okay DTF St Louis are there was an argument as there often is between myself and Boyd which went like this oh Louis I've been saying Lewis sorry yeah no you're right that's that's the correct that's correct we also had that didn't we it's not St it is St Louis you're I'm pronouncing it incorrectly um where Boyd thought it was too slow and I said it was deliberately paced um so if you like deliberately paced things then dts and lewis is is for you and is absolutely brilliant and and boy did totally reverse actually it wasn't reverse ferret so much was it no because you didn't hate it i just watched more of it i do think it was a bit a bit slow to start with a bit too deliberately paced and i think it it got more and more engrossing as it went on but i'm indebted to that listener oh vast is that no that was the previous one no this is Chris this is Chris Chris sorry because I forgot about Patriot because yeah now I'm such a big fan of DTF St.

55:59Louis I'm fascinated to see what the creator Stephen Conrad has done before so I will try and check out Patriot me too yeah that's an interesting point very good okay we will get back to you Chris on that because we need to watch Patriot yeah and that is it well is that about wraps it up for this week I'm tying up there's a double knot in the post bag very special episode of Pilot Plus. Thanks to Steph and Kay, and thanks to you for listening and subscribing. In the regular pod, which is, let me emphasize, I cannot emphasize enough, the 400th episode. Although if you look up on our feed, on like Apple's podcast app or whatever, it looks like we've done way more than 400.

56:40So I don't know how that works. But according to our master and Lord James, he says it's the 400th episode, and he is not going to be here for it. So we will be having a ritual explanation of why James is not there. And we will be discussing various other exciting things for our 400th episode. And particularly, we will be reviewing The Shards, the new Brett Easton, Ellis, Ryan Murphy collab that I've been banging on about for months. Sterling Point, which is a new teen drama on Prime Video, because we haven't got enough teen dramas on Prime Video. And the controversial, outspoken, exciting, sweary, Alley Cats.

57:17the aforementioned Ricky Gervais' new animated show on Netflix. Until then, pilot out.