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23:01Kay Ribeiro:And Hacks happened with Hacks as well, didn't it? Where the second season is knocking on the door before you even get to see the first one. That raised Boyd's hackles, if you were a call. It's HBO Max shows. Surely you've got a friend over there. Get your Rolodex out. Friend where? Big shout out to HBO. Oh, right. If anyone from HBO is listening to this, and I happen to know they are, then please could you let us know when and where we might expect to see The Pit here in the UK so that those people on this podcast who are less fortunate than myself and have not been able to watch The Pit can see it.

23:31Please get in touch at pilotTV at empiremagazine.com.

23:34Kay Ribeiro:Please write in. It's a really, really good show. It's really, really, because it's naturally propulsive. Really, really, really good. Well, because literally it's almost like a 14-hour episode of television or a film, if you like. Because one episode, and then the next one just picks up where the last one ends. It keeps on coming on. It's great. It won big time at the Emmys. It did. We'll talk about that on the main podcast on Monday. It's not getting to the Emmys chat now, but yes. It'll make it really delayed. To be fair, I think it's safe to say there were no surprises at the Emmys, really?

24:07Kay Ribeiro:I think the bear just completely tanking. Now you're getting into it. You've just discussed it on Monday. Now you've literally... He stopped Boyd and his tracks. It was literally a pit stop. And then you made a provocative statement saying there were no surprises. I think there were one or two surprises. There were no surprises and you have to wait until Monday to hear more about it. Listen, I'm moving on. I'm moving on to Graham. Hi, Graham. Who says... Big grey. Oh, I love this. I like the way James is suddenly saying hello to the listeners. Yes, before he's just totally zoned up. But he's really connected today.

24:35I like this. Well, you're going to love it even more because this is about you as well. Hooray! Dear Kate, I know that at 71 I'm probably not the target audience for your show. Absolutely not, Graham. You are. Everyone. I thought you were going to say, absolutely not. Our target audience is very rude. No, he is. Everyone's right, yeah. Of course. From nine to 99. No, from younger... Don't you remember my... Seven to... My favourite, our youngest listener, Atticus, and his mum, Rachel. Don't you remember? She wrote in a few weeks ago. Look, they're looking at me blankly.

25:01Kay Ribeiro:No, no, it's the baby. Seven-week-year-old Atticus. She's probably eight weeks now. Big fan, loves The Expanse. Anyway, Graham says, I'm probably not the target audience for your show, but I'm a loyal fan and subscribe to Pilot Plus anyway. having recently cracked this new fangled email thingy I thought I'd write with a few points I want to get off my chest oh god yeah one anyone who has purchased a 4k TV and has not switched off motion smoothing should have it confiscated agreed two Boyd US comedies are generally unfunny like curb your enthusiasm so stop mentioning them week in week out I mean what can you say to that I'm sorry he mentioned Steve Martin as well so he's going for only fans I'm with him I'm with him so far only murders three lift the embargo and James talking about the West Wing absolutely not oh god who is this James Loving insane person it's another one of my burner accounts he says Boyd is right about smoke and James is spot on about Peacemaker oh okay thank you very much you occasionally say that you don't review second and third series of shows but we seem to get the likes of Only Murders and Doctor Who on constant loop no no just to address that we definitely do review multiple seasons of shows but we like new shows will generally take priority there's a weird formula we look at what's available in the week we sort of divide it by the embargo so that's the stuff that we can't cover and then it's like we'll try and prioritise very pilot and or new shows and then when there's fuck all else we'll do something on Channel 5 Isn't that fascinating?

26:23That's the kind of stuff you get on Pilot Plus right there the inner workings Binging is the only way an old fart like me can keep up with storylines weekly episodes make life far too difficult and then he goes you are lovely people delivering podcasts that are fun and interesting so keep it up I'll stop there because I really need to go for a pee old man, prostate what can I tell you

26:41Kay Ribeiro:too much information yours Graham P.S. oh my god I love this bit I was at the is it the Lowry last year was at the hotel the venue for the Empire Film Podcast Live and had the pleasure of meeting the team Helen kindly signed my copy of her brilliant book Women vs. Hollywood and if that wasn't enough James offered to take a picture of us and in doing so gifted me an up the nose selfie see a Tash what a guy right now I've copied and pasted these in right James Right, and finally, and then he said, finally, when are you coming up north? So this is the lovely picture of Graham, 71, with the lovely Helen O 'Hara.

27:17And then, and we'll have to put this on our socials, this gives me so much pleasure. Look at this picture of James looking supremely happy with himself. Oh, my God.

27:25Kay Ribeiro:Look at that. That is James' smug face writ large. I remember the Lowry, okay, yes, now I remember. Now I remember. I'd completely forgotten the name of the place. A little bit, yeah, I didn't want to beg any attention during that podcast. Yeah. Well, anyway, so thank you for taking that picture for Graham. And Graham, thank you for listening. And now that you've set the bar, I mean, my mission is to find out our oldest listener. So our current bid is 71. No, no, our current bid is one week away from 88 because my mum listens to this podcast. We can't count friends and family. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:57Because T's and C's. We've got an independent adjudicator, me. So if you are... Fine. Other than James's mum, if you are older than 71, please get in touch and let us know. Maybe that'll be my new ommeter that I don't actually do.

28:10Kay Ribeiro:Kay will bring you cake. If you're our oldest listener, she will come to your house and bring you cake. Yeah, I mean, to be fair, if you're 71 plus listening to the podcast, in fact, your mum deserves cake. Thank you. I'll pass that on. Craig asks, right, just listening to the Empire podcast and during a conjuring discussion, James says, Boydie, I'll let you off the hook. My question to Boyd is, did you wake up to hear your name spoken by James or had you already dropped into a deep sleep? thanks and come on your spurs Craig James I did initially what happens is I initially listen to it late at night and fall asleep to it and then I wake up in the morning but I do always listen in the end to the actual thing as well mostly certainly this time when James was banging on about Downton Abbey and how stupid I was to give it four stars and all this kind of stuff and as I said to him I kept explaining the Roger Ebert rule about how to review films to justify my four star review anyway I've never been mentioned so much ever in a podcast as to the amount of mentions he had for me in the Empire podcast.

29:07By hook or by crook, you will be on that bloody podcast, even if it is James mentioning you multiple times. I don't think Chris will have him on. But anyway, it was fun. It was, thankfully, because, and I only got, of course, James made it quite clear that the only reason I got to do those interviews with the Downton B. was because he was on a flyer. Oh, you swine, James. Coming back from wherever the fuck he was with his latest grotesque freebie junket thing that he was on about roller coasters in LA or something. So, yeah, even then I was humiliated. It was like a substitute for James. Craig says, wait.

29:34I don't care. He sent a follow-up message. He said, wait, and then Boyd is interviewing the Downton cast on the Empire podcast. The multiverse collides. Obviously, we have two Jameses, like two Reed Richards. It means nothing to me. Will we get two K's soon? I don't know. Let me tell you, because you don't listen, you don't know this stuff, but the last breath of the Empire podcast is literally Chris Hewitt going, don't listen to the pilot podcast. Yeah. Every week? No, no, just this one. Yeah. That's what we're dealing with. Yeah, yeah. Psychological warfare. Fortunately, No one listens long enough to hear it, so it's fine.

30:06Kay Ribeiro:Whoa, Sean's fired. You may be right. Hey, look, we got the Alien Earth spoiler special, so I say we're one up. Listen, I've got a message about that, so let me skip straight to that in that professional way. Right, so, Barb. Oh, my God, we've got a listener called Barbara, but she calls herself Barb, which I'm delighted about. Hashtag justice for Barb. And she says, I hope this gets through. Thanks for getting the Alien Earth spoiler special on the pilot feed where it belongs. More power to you, I think. One suggestion. since no one seems keen on pinning the email address on their socials too many of them to keep track of anyway how about making it a standard part of the show notes that can't be too difficult can it so many potential iterations Pilot TV Podcast Empire.com I could go on yes it's a dead horse but still love the pod and hey you're on YouTube which I prefer to watch at least at the start see your lovely faces and stylish attire I finally get the thing with Boyd and Supreme if only Empire could do the same all the chatter about Amon's wardrobe and I never get to see it.

31:04Barb from Maryland, USA.

31:07Kay Ribeiro:No, none of it. You occasionally get clips. Okay. But trying to wrestle the three-hour record that is the Empire podcast into an edited video would be, I think Chris would die. I think you just do a selfie then every week. Barb continues and says, she's been there from the very first Pilot TV podcast and she's an early subscriber to, yes, I gave up my Empire spoiler special subscription when I couldn't just by keeping both Empire and Pilot. I'm adding it by the way to the Pilot Plus show notes and speak wow exciting Bob he's listened Bob's got some power because he doesn't listen to anyone but now he is so yeah James is zoned out I'm just watching him I don't know why I'm watching him add that no he's he is actually doing what was asked of him to be fair yes listen this is me typing okay while you're typing someone dropping the F-bomb now hi James and the Pilot's genetic dynasty Good.

32:03Kay Ribeiro:Foundation reference, love it. I loved this latest series of Foundation. It had the clearest through line in terms of plot and character, but for the love of Selden, can you please explain the ending to me? Now, he goes on to mention some stuff, which I don't know if they're going to be spoilers. They will be spoilers. I can't because this isn't a spoiler for Foundation. I am going to really try and put one together, a spoiler special for Foundation. There are a number of logistical barriers to that, but I will do my absolute best. I believe the thing he's referring to, and I'm going to keep this incredibly oblique for people who haven't watched it is there is a deliberately opaque bit of storytelling where they don't explain what happened during a certain period and then they don't really explain why it then...

32:43Kay Ribeiro:Basically, a scene stops, another scene happens, and when you pick back up with those characters, something has happened and you don't know what, and you don't know why those characters now left that place. That would irritate the hell out of me. I must admit, at the time, I was furious about it because I'm like, we didn't even know the show would get renewed at that point. It has since been renewed. Relax. And I was just like, that was... It was unnecessarily obtuse, and I didn't love it. So I thought it was a great finale but that particular bit I thought was unnecessary. That is probably what Stuart is referring to.

33:08He also says, P.S. I'm a Plus subscriber and love the pod. In fact, I've never known such love, winky face.

33:14Kay Ribeiro:Wow. So thanks, Stuart. I think that was aimed at the OnlyFans. That's not really the Pilot Plus. And for that, you'll be rewarded with a Foundation Spoiler special at some point in the future. At some point in the future, yes. Right. Simon says, Hi. Just after listening to Pilot Plus and the listener who wrote in about listing top ten top 10 shows of the month at the end of every month. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Wait, no, Simon's got a suggestion. He says, my suggestion would be why not just recap all the shows that you gave the TV show of the week accolade for that month, which would be four TV shows over the course of the month.

33:47Then you could all collectively agree on a fifth bonus show to watch or just rotate. For example, Kay picks the fifth show one month and James, etc. There is your top five for a month with minimum effort. He says, with a, you know, smiling... James' faces!

34:02Kay Ribeiro:We kind of have to do it now because he's had Simon Says. Okay, so James is... That's a verbal agreement from James that he's going to take on that responsibility. So, Simon, thank you for giving him that extra homework. There is a flaw in that plan because sometimes... Because the show of the week is basically one of the shows we've reviewed and we don't always necessarily review the show of the week because sometimes it might be an embargo or it might be, you know, a third or fourth series and we've dealt with that issue and we prioritise brand new shows. So, yeah, it's a flawed plan. I like it in theory, but in practice...

34:35Simon, we've heard you and we're ignoring you. I'm sorry. We're ignoring. We've, you know... No, we're ignoring the suggestion. We've taken it on board. We processed it. Boyd's shot it. Yeah, we rejected. We've listened. We rejected. We rejected. Sorry, Simon. We've found the flaws in the plan. Now for Callum, who says, Hi to the lovely Kay, plus TV's, don't ask me where my football team finishes, Boyd. He'll know what that means. and 2025's Forbes Influence of the Year, James.

35:02Kay Ribeiro:Wow. How is that going, by the way? Well, I'm taking a small hiatus at the moment, on account of I haven't done anything post-worthy. But I'll see if I can come up with something. How's the tickety-tock going? Tickety-tock. Do you know what? I have a video that I put up on Instagram, which was my Halloween Horror Nights compilation of all different houses, and I cut it to this ridiculous song, which I heard while I was out there, which just goes boom, boom, boom, and I cut the video to that. And I want to put it up on TikTok, but I can't. Why? Because it's licensed music. And Instagram will allow a minute and a half of it and TikTok will only allow 60 seconds.

35:37Kay Ribeiro:And I can't quite work out how to essentially make it shorter. So I'm struggling with that. Or the video or the audio. The video. The video. So I'm going to have to recut it as a shorter version to the song, but I'm struggling with it a bit. Instantly regretting asking you about that. So at some point, I will put it up on the top. But it will go up. Okay, so you've got the Foundation Spoiler Special to look forward to and also this TikTok. Yeah. But thank you to those few of you who have been following me on TikTok. I think I doubled the amount of people who followed me since last week, which is nice.

36:02You are set to be the Forbes influencer. Maybe over 100 now. What you need to put on TikTok is the full performance of your karaoke. That would. I would potentially download the app to watch it. No one needs to see that. Okay. So Cal says, with Dexter Resurrection wrapping up its second attempt at a reboot, I'd love to know your thoughts, and if we could sneak a spoiler special. Sorry if it's more work. as a long time Dexter fan who started watching with season one when I was 11 and now I'm 30 after the latest season I realise it's probably one of the longest running shows I've seen reboots and spin-offs included I believe the season is its strongest and will definitely have a space on Pilot TV's batshit-o-meter Defo Below Smoke I think Resurrection rewards people's patience with the show and its last two lines are evidence of that it's been extremely well written with the right amount of fan service without it being distracting and so many twists and turns that you're not sure how it's going to end.

36:56And yes, for the first time in ages, it fucking nails its season finale with 40 minutes of gripping tension. Did you all carry on watching or did you give up after... No. Boyd? Sorry. I'm just being honest. Or did you give up after the previous instalments and are there any shows that you've been watching for nearly 20 years? I think this will end up being my show of the year for pure enjoyment and meeting every expectation I and so many others had. All jokes aside, I love the pod I mean did he say he didn't jokes aside I love the pod well it sounds like a joke yeah and you all kept me and my fiance laughing during my summer trip to Mission Texas including at altitude to spend time with my fiance before she visited visited here at the end of the summer I've included a photo and then he's put you never walk alone cow what a handsome couple oh so he's a Liverpool fan okay that's fine that was the thing about football no no no that's fine I wonder if they watch the pits on the flight oh yeah everyone else is detailing that no you haven't oh yeah no I haven't but I really do you know I really enjoyed what I did see and I watched a couple of more episodes after we reviewed it did we review it I can't remember yeah we did we liked it I think certainly much better than the the originally recommissioned then cancelled oh when he wakes up in hospitals yeah yeah got it yeah it was good so I did really enjoy the whole thing of what I saw and I will catch up with it at some point soon especially people have been very complimentary

38:19Kay Ribeiro:well then we should do as someone who has seen every episode of Next Resurrection yes I finished it and we'll be talking about it on Monday's podcast that's what we've been watching I don't know why you're talking about until then smug face you should do a two man spoiler special I would like to do a spoiler special on that so you need to now watch all the rest of the episodes so we can talk about it I've already got like five more interviews to do next week okay fine so if you can watch it for next week's Pilot Plus that'd be good this is going to be an Arthur Fowler and Pete Beale special instead of a Dot and Ethel that's going to be your equivalent when you two...

38:50I mean, I don't really understand

38:51Kay Ribeiro:what those words mean, but I don't know. No, fine. Mike. Mike has written in. Hi, Mike. I was doing that thing that James did. I just wanted to say, I know this is technically a film, but it's so made for TV... Here we go. So this is, sorry, I should say, it's about the Thursday Mudder Club. Oh, yeah. I know it's technically a film, but it's so made for TV and probably not going to get much of a mention on either side of the fence of film or TV, so I'd like to offer some thoughts. I'm usually not asked with cosy crime but sometimes something is put together in such a way that it makes it hard not to soften and just make you feel well a bit better i love a good crime series and there have been some hard-hitting shows over the last few years but sometimes when presented with such a great cast and a cup of tea and a chance to take the load off for a couple of hours this just hits the spot even ben kingsley's speech at the end made me fill up a bit and i can't stand him in most things even brosnan made me chuckle and that's something i thought he was incapable of just the right amount of tension or lack of and a great rainy Wednesday afternoon watch.

39:51I'm currently caring for my mum full-time. She's 92 and has Parkinson's and I'll be honest if I have to sit through another Vera... This brought a smile to her face and mine so I'm grateful for that. Thank you for you three for always delivering a great pod and making my week that bit better and thanks for taking the time to read this. Long-term listener, Mike.

40:11Kay Ribeiro:I've not seen Thursday Night at a Club because I was away on one of my jollies when Empire reviewed it. I have heard not good things generally. Yeah, I didn't like it, but I haven't read the book. No, have I. I've read the book. I paid to go to see it at the cinema. Oh, yeah, you paid, yeah, misguidedly. Yes, and I was disappointed and I was a bit annoyed that I'd paid to see it at the cinema to watch. When it was going to be on Netflix the next day for free. Yeah, I know, because I was such a fan of the book. I thought, my friend and I were like, come on, let's go, and I'm going to admit, we went to the Everyman, so it wasn't cheap.

40:43But yeah, I don't think, it didn't deliver, and for me and it wasn't funny like as funny as I thought it'd be and I don't think it fully captured the dynamic of those four because that's what I love about those books is these individual characters but as a group is their chemistry and I don't know I just felt that was lacking but I'm glad Mike that you got a lot of pleasure out of it he got mixed reviews but a lot of people got some quite I think Golden Gate four stars I seem to remember which was interesting and unusual I didn't like it at all but I do know lots of people who have quite enjoyed it I think Helen quite liked it on Empire well if Helen likes it it must be great but opinions differ certainly but I mean it was number one easily probably still is I haven't checked on the UK Netflix film chart so I'm sure I'm sure there will be more they'll carry on making them because there's how many he's done like three or four books in that series now yeah he's got another one coming out in September that I've just reviewed now for a canadia canadia canadia canadia i do like canadia all hail canadia shut up oh canadia was that the song reading is hard a canadian listener alert um hi everyone a listener from canada here thanks for keeping me up to date with the great and sometimes not so great british shows if you're allowed to run your own show what would be your basic premise and the genre of the show thanks Marcus if you're allowed to run our own show go on yeah mine would be like a romantic comedy drama and be very actually I'm not going to go into too much detail because I'm not writing yeah maybe you'll feature guys maybe you'll be in the world of magazine journalism it's going to be called the podcast yeah like ER suing the pit I might sue you if it's too near the knuckle no it'll be a character called Floyd can't touch me Floyd Bilton yeah Stilton Floyd Stilton.

42:43Kay Ribeiro:Venerable TV critic, Floyd Stilton. Yeah, just a bit too cheesy for my liking. Yes, but that would be it. And it would be all about, you know, the interrelationship, interpersonal relationships. I was thinking the other day that one of my favorite shows of all time is the Larry Sanders show, which was, of course, set in the world of American chat shows. And that world has become even more kind of madly hacks. The last series of hacks touched upon it a lot as well. but British chat shows like a British version well he hasn't he did a spoof of the one show if you like with this time but I'm talking about like a Graham Norton style chat show kind of comedy set comedy that's got potential I would like that because I'm fascinated by that and by the way breaking Graham Norton show news which I'm going to break to you now because it's just it's incredibly exciting that I've just had in my inbox apropos of nothing well apropos of how exciting this news is coming up on the second episode of the new series of Graham Norton show on Friday the 3rd of October on BBC One Greta Lee and Jodie Turner-Smith Cillian Murphy who's in this new film Steve Lewis Capaldi performing our friend friend of the show Donald Gleeson and do not do it and and go on Taylor Swift oh my god look at him are we watching can I just tell you something right when you started that up you could see like internally his eyes were rolling he was like what is he doing this is not the first segment he should save it for the main and now he's delighted now I'm on board but the most exciting thing for that is that our friend Donald Gleeson is going to share the sofa with Taylor fucking Swift he is are you Swifty why are you so excited by this no I'm more excited about Donald I want to see the interaction between Donald Gleeson charming very charming what do you do if he comes on and she goes Donald Gleeson listen I mean she's found to isn't she yeah of course that seems a done what a coup though for Graham Norm that seems a done thing she has been on before I know I know she's been on before but still also James just like you know there's a Channel 4 show I think is it one off but that's not she's not actually in that no she's not in it that's the documentary yes I mean you will know as a diehard swifty I will be reviewing it on this podcast you'll know everything that's in it we could review it on this podcast no we will no we are it's happening have you seen it no no but I'm just not a particular fan no I know but you'll like the part you'll force me to like it like Foundation I'll make you watch that as well it's going to waterboard me with that documentary anyways message from Holly now about Sirens do you remember that yes okay Well, she says, hello all.

45:09Slightly belatedly, I was wondering if any of you have ever finished Sirens on Netflix early this year. I recently binged it over a weekend and really, really liked it. It didn't end up being at all what I expected in the end or what it presented itself as and was all the better for it. and speaking of Netflix binges I just wanted to shout out long story short it's animated and I wasn't naive enough to think you'd actually review it but it being the new show from the creator of BoJack Horseman aka one of the best shows of all time I thought James I thought it warranted a mention on the pod it's a decade spanning comedy about a Jewish family with all the boys it has been very very well received and well reviewed in America carry on well Holly says yeah Yeah, it's a decade-spanning comedy about a Jewish family with all the heart, stupid jokes and pathos you'd expect.

45:57Well worth a watch for any BoJack fans. I really need... I've been wanting to watch this, actually, because BoJack was very good, despite what James is implying. And I really want to see the show, which everyone says is brilliant. Yes. Long story short. Two last ones. Okay. Very quickly. A message from Emma Thompson. Oh, my friend Emma Thompson. Not that Emma Thompson. after I did an even better one. BAFTA Life in Pictures with her a few years ago. Are you friends? Well, I met her. She was absolutely delighted. I interviewed her for an hour and a half at BAFTA, yeah. I considered myself to be friends after that.

46:34And she stayed awake? She seemed fully awake, yeah. Generally. It was just her, so it would have been embarrassing if she could fall asleep. With the freezing to your friends, that was a panel

46:44Kay Ribeiro:of four or five. I want someone to do a one-off television feature-length special about that Q &A with you and Stephen Frears. And it's basically just you trying to keep him awake. We'll call it the sum of all frears. That's good, yeah. BG. Anyway, Emma says, Hello, lovely podders. Firstly, a heartfelt thank you. I've been a pilot listener and subscriber from the very beginning. Two and a half years ago, my family and I moved from Australia to the US and it was quite isolating. Having you guys to listen to each week provided me with such a sense of comfort like having a chat with some friends.

47:18as sad as that may sound Pilot along with the Empire podcast really did get me through some difficult challenges in that period so thank you that's lovely Emma thank you for listening secondly Kay and Boyd talk so highly about the UK's last one laughing I implore you to watch the Australian version given your love of Aussie comedy I think you'll enjoy it I liked it more than the UK version but that might just be a cultural thing big words thanks again Emma

47:42Kay Ribeiro:is it just the same but you know upside down no I was going to say that's beneath you I don't think it is It would be above me, really, wouldn't it? Oh, James. And she says, P.S., so handy to be able to quickly check the pilot Instagram for the email address. And she's done the side eye face. So Emma, that made me go on to check. So I thought, has he taken it off? Like in a perverse move, deleted it from the Instagram? No! And it's there, so I don't know. Well, it's going to be in the show notes of every Pilot Plus going forward. He's listened to Barb. I have listened to Barb. Barb has spoken.

48:15Kay Ribeiro:And I have listened to Barb. so by Barb's decree it's going to be in the show notes Queen Barb brilliant right now the last message the last word goes to Dr. Kate who says dear team I'm a very long term listener from the first episode so there's a lot of first episode listeners out there aren't you happy about that? I am staunch staunch listeners they should all get we should have badges I think this is the new thing I'm proposing Kate's having badges made apparently we'll get like a little badge machine yes you will yeah Actually James will be too busy doing the roundup of the five shows of the month Oh my god Right anyway Long term listener but first time emailer Despite some of my colleagues' concern I'm a fan of TV shows set in a supposedly medieval time period I'm a particular fan of Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon They are what us medieval historians secretly wish the medieval period was like I recently decided to do a complete early medieval period rewatch.

49:15All six series of Vikings, followed by the complete The Last Kingdom, and then three series of Vikings Valhalla. Wow. Together, they present an almost continuous narrative of several centuries of history of parts of Northwest Europe. Look at James. Loving it.

49:31Kay Ribeiro:Loving it. Imagine my delight to find that I'm also enjoying King and Conqueror. It will fit well onto the end of my rewatch, as many younger versions of the protagonists are also key players in Vikings Valhalla. My question is, can the team think of any other shows not necessarily related, which offers such a comprehensive retelling of an event or period of time? Very best wishes, oh, very good wishes, Dr. Kate. Ooh, but then isn't Dr. Kate a historian? And therefore an expert in this field. I should be asking Dr. Kate, because a lot of these things, I can't tell how historical they are. Like you look at something like A Thousand Blows.

50:07Kay Ribeiro:I mean, there's definitely some historical framework from which Steve Knight has drawn that story, but I don't know that I'd necessarily call it historical. So she's talking about an event or period of time. Like, it's not necessarily, well, obviously, I'm sure she'd like it to be accurate, but is there a period of time that has had that treatment by multiple shows? That's how I'm interpreting it. Well, World War II, presumably, would be the easy answer, wouldn't it? World War I less so because there are fewer World War I type shows have I mangled that let me just read my question is can the team think of any other shows not necessarily related which offers such a comprehensive retelling of an event or period of time yeah I think I am right yeah well specifically she's asking for shows rather than periods but I don't know is the answer to that off the top of my head you're right that Band of Brothers right that's the kind of show that I think she's talking about which was a very incredibly comprehensive look at that period in the Second World War.

51:08In the Pacific.

51:10Kay Ribeiro:And what was the plane one recently? Yeah, the plane one. Oh, Masters of Nuns. That's Masters of the Air. No, Masters of the Air. Master of Nuns was the Aziz Ansari second. Which is very much not about bombers. Yes, yes, yes. Although they may have bombed. Anyway, let's not get into that. But yeah, it's interesting. I don't know. I don't know the answer. I have no answer for you. King and Conquer is a pretty good example of that. They really, having hosted the Q &A and met the writer, etc., they very much used tons of research into what it was actually like. As far as you can tell back in 1066, etc.

51:49So that, but I think she mentioned that, didn't she, in her email. But that struck me as being a really interesting... When I watched the first few episodes of that show, I was like, is it really, that really would have been what it was like? You know, would the women have done what they do in that show? but they were pretty clear I mean obviously there's poetic license but the fundamentals of that show seem to be based on full research

52:11Kay Ribeiro:Well something like Chief of War obviously tells a story that I think most people wouldn't know the formation of the islands of Hawaii and that seems to be very well researched Shogun is obviously what I would go with because that particular period is it Edo period Japan I think that gives you an incredible look at that I remember when I talked to actual Justin Marks not the character from the morning show and Rachel Condo the showrunners of that and I was saying it's like watching a fantasy series because it's so divorced from our understanding of what society is. But it's so well researched as to how it works.

52:40You know what is meticulously researched? Foundation. No. That's in the future,

52:44Kay Ribeiro:you idiot. Yeah, but Psychohistory does not know, is not curved by linear time. Please flip that up. It's in the future, you idiot. Is Downton Abbey because Julian Fellows meticulously does research. Really? Yeah, all the stuff. And in fact, in the film, which we can bang on about because it's a film, it opens with this, I think, actually really good sweeping shot of like Lund Piccadilly Circus in London in 1930. And he was saying how they've absolutely made sure it was accurate and exactly what you would have seen if you were in 1930s London and Soho and then it hones in on a theatre where they're performing Noel Coward's play, etc.

53:23So I love all that. I love the fact that he really does take it really seriously. I think most people do, don't they? A high level of research if it's a period drama. No, some period dramas almost like pride themselves on being slightly like, we're not bothered about accuracy.

53:34Kay Ribeiro:Well, yeah, but also if the historical part of it isn't the most interesting, make it more interesting. I think, you know, for the sake of TV drama, that's fine. Like Peaky Blinders is in it like a rock and roll, you know, pop video version of that period of history and who those people were. And he said, you know, it's deliberately lighter than life. But other stuff that I think is very, like Chernobyl is a really good example of something that's historical and really well put together. Incredibly powerful drama. The Tudors is probably less so. I don't know how historically accurate that was.

54:03Kay Ribeiro:I'm not sure I would tell. Wolf Hall is probably more so than The Tudors, right? Wolf Hall feels... Very, very dark. Yeah, I would say so. Do you remember... There are ghosts in there. That is true. They are ghosts, lest we forget. That wasn't accurate. That was another one of our historians. Do you remember Rome, HBO's Rome? Of course. Which I loved. I barely saw that little basis in fact. but it was a lot of fun and The Great is another one where it's a very stylised interpretation which is Rome but much much better what was the this one Rome the favourite was that favourite was it Marie Antoinette no it wasn't was it it's not no it's not Marie Antoinette that's your you're thinking Catherine the Great is the great the favourite is Queen oh god which Queen is Olivia Colman Olivia Colman in The Favourite plays Queen Anne and yeah but I don't know I know nothing about Queen Anne is Sonshi.

54:56That can't be. I mean, they run right in that show. that's chaos. Yeah.

55:01Kay Ribeiro:And like, what was the one? Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Bridgerton, incredibly accurate. Absolutely spot on. Yeah. Don't come for, do not come for Shonda. Okay. Well, on that note, I think we've butchered history. So, shall we say adieu? Yes, but just a reminder, I'm doing a shout, I'm doing a shout out for, well, we know Atticus is our younger listener, but please do get in touch if you're older than Graham, who is 71. And you can find the email address in the Pilot Plus show notes. Thank you, Bob. James has finally pulled his finger out. I have. That's it for this week's Pilot Plus. Thank you very much for subscribing.

55:39Kay Ribeiro:We do appreciate it, mainly because you are literally the only things that allow us to continue making these podcasts. On Monday's show, frankly, we've got a Slow Horses special. We've got Christopher Chung, Roddy Ho himself is going to be on the show talking to Boyd. And also, the plan is for Ruth Bradley, Emma Flight herself to drop by the studio while we're recording so that might happen as well shows we're going to be talking about obviously Slow Horses we'll be reviewing that The Hack we're reviewing on ITV and Wayward on the Netflix that'll be exciting won't it I think so if the flight isn't delayed yeah oh I see what you did there thank you I see what you did there she wound in but that's the level of humour that you pay£3.49 a month for oh god don't people start asking for refunds see you Monday Pilot Out

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