Prisoner 951, Watson, and Changing End

20:34Pilot TV Hosts:I had a few chit-chats, but you know, it was exhausting. You had to talk to other humans. But everyone had the same thought, exactly the same. Everyone I spoke to, there was a couple of people I knew, and they were like, what are we doing? Why did we come here so early? You know, you should have literally come here five minutes before it was used to start, and it would have been much better. But yeah, you're all sitting there wondering what to do without your fucking mobile phone. See, well, this is a good exercise. I mean, part of it, yeah. People should have all started taking out paperbacks and started reading books.

21:02Pilot TV Hosts:It would have been amazing. Well, one person, one prominent critic I know did, was literally reading a book. Good for him. Yeah, he knew what he was doing. I thought I was bookless so that was that do you not remember like when go back 10 years they used to confiscate mobile phones at every single screening exactly but it's quite rare now it doesn't happen at all it doesn't happen at all I think because no one will go to the screenings I wonder whether that do you know it's interesting why they actually stopped doing that I wonder if it's because they realised that no film had ever been pirated by film critics ever exactly of course now you've got influencers all over the place yes you do and someone told me that the influencers were allowed to keep their phones for much longer than everyone else yes because obviously you're an influencer why the hell do you have to give yours in well you'd think right you're influencing me every day sadly sadly my influencer-ness was not recognised Boydie apparently could not influence the security guards yeah I mean you need to work on that indeed not so yeah everyone everyone just didn't know what to do there was just people everyone wandering around going what can I do with the next 45 minutes to an hour and then they showed the episode then the whole cast was there the Duffer Brothers was there etc so it was still exciting once it all got underway but Ted Sarandos at the head, Big Cheese made a speech.

22:11Pilot TV Hosts:Yeah, that was interesting. What did he say? This is good bullshit. Lydia Adams' ex-husband was not there though. He was interestingly not part of the entourage of the cast. What did you just ask? No, I just asked what he said but I was joking. I'll tell you what he did say which I don't think he kind of implied that there'll be more of the world of Stranger Things even though it's obviously wrapping up. Well, they've done a cartoon haven't they? I have no doubt that we'll try and print it. I got overly excited by that because I think the Duffer Brothers have done a deal with a rival streamer.

22:46Pilot TV Hosts:But he said, yeah, there'll be more things set in this world. So that's something to hold on to if you're a Stranger Things fan. And my final, I still haven't finished. The final, I've left the best to last. Go on. Is it something we're going to be jealous of? It's about burying the lead. No, no, no. No, no, it's not like that. I'm going to talk about the ending of episode five of The Chair Company, which has been around on Sky slash now for a while now. But if you haven't seen it yet and you're watching this series, then I am going to spoil what happens at the end of this episode. So maybe fast forward about three or four minutes.

23:14Pilot TV Hosts:Sorry. It's just one of the most shocking TV moments of the year has occurred. This is going to be something that I have no truck with, isn't it? Probably. Well, you remember I mentioned The Chair Company? Oh, yes. The Chair Company is ongoing at the moment on HBO in America and Sky Comedy here. This is the Tim Robinson show that I mentioned in the What We've Been Watching section when it first started. It all starts with him falling off, the chair collapsing under him when he's about to make a presentation and he then is furious about it and then spends the most of his life now tracking down the people responsible for this dodgy chair, hence the title of the show company.

23:52Pilot TV Hosts:Is that something I might do? It really does. Yeah, anyway. So you're busy watching the, you know, I think we're up to episode five, which went out kind of last week, 10 days ago. I didn't watch it live. I needed to catch up with a few episodes. So I caught up with it. up to episode six, I think, in the end. Episode five, I'm trying to work out the best way of describing it, ends with a person kind of who plays Scrooge. The character is watching a thing on TV, and you think, oh, this is a version of A Christmas Carol with a guy playing Scrooge in it. And then what proceeds to happen is a woman approaches this person.

24:32Pilot TV Hosts:He gets out his, yeah. What? and she does the thing and yeah I was not expecting this well not only were you not expecting my description of it no one in the world watching this show was expecting this moment to occur at the end of what is you know I mean it's brilliant by the way this show it's definitely going to be one of the shows of the year for aficionados of great comedy and blah blah blah but it doesn't it's completely out of nowhere in the as I say it's one of the most shocking things now it's spoiler chat you know people I mean, it's gone out. It's been there on Sky for probably like a week to 10 days now, the Spooker episode.

25:10Pilot TV Hosts:But yeah, it is unbelievable, an unbelievable moment of shocking TV, which is even beyond the use of genitals, if you like, from The White Lotus. Remember, The White Lotus has been one of the most prominent, so to speak. You know, was he or wasn't he wearing a prosthetical of that? I mean... It's quite cock-heavy as a show. Yeah. whereas this has not been at all cock-heavy until suddenly this moment occurs. And then it's literally like blink and you miss it at the end of the episode. Oh, dear. Right, and then it cuts to the titles and you're like, what just happened? And so I've been reading up on it.

25:51Pilot TV Hosts:People haven't made it. I need to check, but the last time I looked, no one had made any comment about how they did it, the extent to it, how they got away with it, where they had to check with HBO. there's an extra I think on Sky when you play it there's an extra kind of announcement in the beginning saying scenes some viewers may find shocking you know there's a kind of apology in advance for it but it is wild that's a new take on Charles Dickens exactly indeed but it is absolutely fucking insane and honestly it has to be seen to be believed so yeah there's that The Chair Company shock TV moment of the year what a tease for that show yeah I don't know quite how we follow on to that.

26:31Pilot TV Hosts:That is why you're watching. I mean, who knows? Like, yeah. Mia, should we have a listener question? Let's do something to get away from that subject. Okay, we have a message from California Canary who says, question for the team. After watching the brilliant All Her Fall, couldn't help thinking Mr. Chips would have been a better title. I don't quite understand that. I'm not going to dwell on it in case it involves spoilers. He has put something in brackets. I'm not going to read it out. But the question he's asked is, have you ever thought a title wasn't good enough for a series and thought something better yes obviously nobody wants this which is the worst title ever for anything James correct where Shiksa was a great title yes that's the answer that is the definitive answer yeah you can totally understand the conversation the project was no one would know what that means you could have explained it wouldn't have been difficult but yeah nobody wants this which it took me which no one can remember right and that was the problem it took me about a year to remember what that because it's so generic and so bland that you're just like I don't remember what that is called.

27:26You know, the one with the podcast and the terrible mic technique, that one. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. That's my answer too. I mean,

27:34Pilot TV Hosts:are they implying that All Her Thought isn't a great title? Is that, or am I reading too much into that? You can kind of get away with that as a title because it's quite thematically poignant, isn't it? Because it is, it is, you know, that's the whole point. They're all saying it's her fault, you know? Yeah. So I think you can get away with that. Yeah. There's a lot of the something shows, aren't there? But this is the other thing. it's not just about bad times it's about proximity because all her fault came out the same week as all's fair that's deeply unfortunate because then you end up conflating both of those all the time and you don't want to be confused with all's fair oh by the way my Brett is in this obsession continues and he was talking about all's fair and how it's actually is actually fun and he was kind of he was basically saying what I said last week which is that it's not as bad as everyone's saying and it's aware of itself it's aware of what it's doing what I'm hearing is you and Brett are on the same page are excited about that But all's well is kind of...

28:25Pilot TV Hosts:You can see where all's well in love and war. That's the phrase, isn't it? That's where it's coming from. But it's just... No, it's all fair. All's fair, sorry. It seems I've already forgotten what it's called. Shows how forgettable it is. Yeah, that's true. Especially if you've got... Yeah. So that's not a great title in itself. I guess all her thought is okay. I mean, there was that spate of all the shows on Apple beginning with S. I quite like that. But some of them were forgettable. I can't even remember some... Single word S's. Yeah. except for shrinking obviously yeah of course of course except for that one yeah I know what you mean I don't think it sounds like when they first announced it the Lord of the Rings the Rings of Power the proximity of the two rings words bothered me I would have called that something I'd have been like no repetition that bothers me I'd have called it something different the Lord of the Rings the Rings of the Lord that's the one yeah it's awful or when you had that do you remember Feud on Five Fayard Fayard on Five someone told me because I think it's on Netflix now and someone told me it's doing really well apparently oh I'm sure yeah someone told me that they've resolved the the topographical issue I think oh good yeah and it looks okay now it's no longer failed probably after hearing you Boyd exactly Sophie Petzl's show Blood is also on Netflix did we mention that?

29:37Pilot TV Hosts:it has moved to Netflix yeah yeah and it's also doing really well oh I haven't seen it yeah it was in the top 10 last time I looked yeah which channel was it on originally? 5 I think it was 5 and it didn't have any issues so it wasn't Blowud No, it wasn't Blow On, no. Blow What? Blow What, yeah. I'm trying to think of more examples of bad titles. Do you remember that, the Kristen Ritter show, which was Don't Trust the Bitch in Apartment 23? Yeah. Except they X'd out Bitch. So when it was said, it was Don't Trust the B in Apartment 23. But it only rhymes if you know not to say the word that is asterisked.

30:14But you would because we're all adults. Yeah, that's true. And also, I'm still genuinely unclear whether Emily in Paris is deliberately supposed to be Emily in Paris, because it rhymes, or whether it's just Emily in Paris. I'm unclear on that. I thought it was just Emily in Paris, right? But it strikes me that if you were to call it Emily in Paris,

30:31Pilot TV Hosts:that's quite twee, and that rhymes as well. I think it's deliberate. Of course, she's in Rome in the next bloody series, so the whole thing, Emily in Rome. Emily in Roma. It's not really the same, is it? Gets around as Emily. Exactly. I'm trying to think of other terrible titles. I think we've given some good answers. Okay. All right, so Kay's got bored of this question. Moving on, are we? Is that what's happening? Because it's live rumination. Wow. Yeah. It's difficult. It's difficult. I think Episodes was a terrible name for a TV series. I didn't mind Episodes. No, but you've got the same problem here.

31:03It's like when you have a streaming service called Now. It just makes talking about it unnecessarily difficult. It's on Now. No, it's not. It's on Later. And then, oh, it's Episodes. No, no, but what's the series called? Episodes. No, the series. It all becomes very Abbott and Costello, and you just don't really need that. I also didn't love the whole, not to rag on Ryan Murphy any more than I already do, but American Horror Story, American Crime Story,

31:24Pilot TV Hosts:all of those sort of things. I'm like, why? Yeah, and talking of Ryan Murphy titles, if you go back to the Jeffrey Dahmer monster story, the actual title was Dahmer-Monster-The Jeffrey Dahmer Story. Two Dahmers in the same title. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, that's not good at all. Faintly ridiculous. So, yeah. iZombie was one I didn't like. I will say Money Heist is a terrible title, but of course that's not the real title because the actual title is, Voidy? Casa de Papel. Which is a great title and it's as much fun to say as it is to watch. Yes, that's true. Yes, that's good. Yeah, I think there we do.

31:59Pilot TV Hosts:There we do. There we do. There we do. There we do. We've answered the question. Yeah. I'd be curious if anyone else has any terrible title TV shows they wish to share, do send them in to the post bag, pilotTV at empiremagazine.com. We're in a rare joyous moment here because Kay has just put a chocolate in her mouth therefore is unable to speak. So I can really say absolutely anything at this point and she has no right of reply. Boydie, what should we say? We're going to miss the opportunity. Hurry up. He's got nothing. No, I've got nothing. She's too late now. Look, she's gone. See, because Boyd is kind.

32:28No, he's not. He just couldn't think of anything. I mean, it is sadly the latter, yeah. Oh, Boyd!

32:33Pilot TV Hosts:I'm getting married myself together for news, for the news section. Okay, fine, yeah. Yes, Boyd was composing himself. Shall we move on to news? Yes. There's quite a bit that's actually happened this week. Big news. One big news involving a lift. Yeah. Yeah, the biggest news. This is something that if you were listening to this podcast regularly, you'd have thought. You know what I'm saying? I thought it was announced. James thought this was announced months ago. Maybe I just had the inside scoop. Maybe not, maybe. But yeah, James thought months and months ago that it had officially been confirmed the Line of Duty was coming back.

33:02Pilot TV Hosts:Turns out it hadn't. But it hadn't at all. Hence, the huge big production of this announcement that was embargoed and was coming out and they had made a little video of them chatting about it in the lift the three main characters and they all joined in with their own version of the announcement. Vicky McClure, Martin Compton, Adrian Dunbar. And yeah, they confirmed the fact that a brand new season seven of Line of Duty is in the works. They're going to start filming it in the spring in Belfast next year. So we'll have to wait, I'm afraid. But at least it's all written. Jed's written it all. That's what he's been doing.

33:34Pilot TV Hosts:He's been busy, man. Cannot wait. And it is one of the most exciting, properly exciting announcements. That's pretty exciting. So imagine the scene, right? I'm hosting a live Q &A for Red Eye Series 2. Which stars? Which stars? Martin Compton, right? So I'm doing this at five o 'clock with the writer Peter A. Dowling who, by the way, listens to the podcast. So hello. Hi, Peter. And yeah, and the rest of the brilliant cast. Anyway, we're talking about it. I get off the call at 5.40 because it was a Zoom interview and then check my emails and it's been announced midway through and I've got Martin online.

34:06I mean, obviously I couldn't have brought it up because it's, you know, I'm there to promote an ITV show. What? To say,

34:11Pilot TV Hosts:ITV won't have minded they would have understood in fact ITV Studios are one of the producers of it so you know I mean there's no connection between ITV well I mean they're owned by the same company so there's some connection ITV won the press office might have been a sconce if you didn't mention it shall we say exactly but it was quite thrilling to be on a call with him while it was didn't get any kind of signs from him that there's big bombshells it must have been weird for him yeah because obviously it was at four o 'clock at the right No, I think it came... It was definitely 4 o 'clock. Okay, we got the...

34:43Well, I received the email at 5.20, so I was like, oh, God, that's really close. Yeah.

34:47Pilot TV Hosts:Yeah, but it's properly... You know, that's one of the most exciting announcements of the year, I would say. I mean, look, it was one of, but arguably not the biggest announcement this week. Oh, here we go. Oh, it's going to be something geeky. Because the biggest announcement is that Stargate is coming back to our screens with an all-new series that will, crucially, not be a reboot, but a continuation of the Stargate mythology. For those of you who are not okay with Stargate, looking at you Kay obviously this is based on the Roland Emmerich movie but there was Stargate SG-1 which was a series that played in the 90s and ran for I want to say something like 10 years and I watched every single episode of it it's had two spinoffs in live action it had Stargate Atlantis which was good it had Jason Momoa in it it's the first time people saw Jason Momoa and Stargate Universe with Robert Carlyle which was really good but I think it only ran for one season so that was disappointing there was also an animated show as well but do you know how wait can I just because I'm speaking really quickly this is how I know he's exciting because he's sped up I'm speeding up.

35:37I can barely understand what you're saying. I genuinely, I have a real affection for... Check your pulse. I do have a real affection for... It's only Stargate. Stargate.

35:49Pilot TV Hosts:I love it. I love it. So I'm very excited that the Stargate series is coming. Unbelievable. Well, actually, some other exciting news from BBC as well. That's involved Stargate. I was going to talk about the storyline of Lion of Duty, by the way. Oh, okay. How do you know the storyline? Yes. This is the thing. I can't believe this is the most interesting thing. Was it in the press release? Yes. Oh, see, I didn't see the press release. I just saw the little video. Of course, you don't read on. No, of course. Unless it's Stargate. Yeah, what about Stargate? Every other person is just top line. Apologio Boyd.

36:15Pilot TV Hosts:This is the main point. And people, as you mentioned before, when we talk about news stories, we often don't talk about them in any depth. We just kind of gloss over it and move on like we're about to do. But one of the most interesting things about the announcement was what's happening with the characters. In Series 7, AC-12 has been disbanded and rebranded the Inspectorate of Police Standards. No. Anti-corruption work has never been more difficult, and in this challenging climate, Arnot, Fleming and Hastings are assigned their most sensitive case so far. Detective Inspector Dominic Goff, a charismatic officer winning plaudits for a string of takedowns of organised crime, is accused of abusing his position of trust to act as a sexual predator, stealing with sexual predators.

36:58Pilot TV Hosts:And Goff's case is a deliberate distraction from a bigger threat still operating in the shadows. Nice and topical. And topical, Jed as ever, tapping into what's going on in the world right now. And this will be, I guarantee you, a no-holds-barred look at this whole issue and of what goes on with senior police officers, etc. So adding to the excitement is that storyline. I think it's really interesting. All I needed from that announcement was that one piano key being pressed over and over again. And that's all I need. That does it for me. So yeah, it's fantastically thrilling news. and the other one more thing I want to say about it is because the press release emphasised how many people watched the finale of season 6 17 million people making it like the biggest drama since like records began and I think potentially even more people will watch the new season I imagine it will either go out like beginning of autumn or may even wait until the New Year's Day thing like doing this year How many years between the series?

37:57Off the top of my head five years

38:00Pilot TV Hosts:so it would be five years It lasted in 2021, so it'll be at least five years whenever it comes out next year. But the final thing I want to say about it is that it is yet further proof that this whole idea that linear, old-fashioned TV channels are over, and no one's bothered about the communal experience of watching stuff live anymore, is bullshit. Because when something comes along that people are excited about, this will be massive, I tell you. It will be absolutely gigantic. It will be Gavin and Stacey levels of people watching it. and there's so many examples now of people of shows that do manage to capture that kind of thing The Traitors recently for example there's no point in banging on about it because every now and then there are enough of these things to disprove that whole theory that's my final comment on the issue Are you sure it's your final comment on it?

38:46Pilot TV Hosts:Yes, for now Anyway, back to Stargate Thank you Right, so Stargate SG1 No, I'm kidding I want to tell you the exciting news that Riot Women is getting an encore so another BBC big announcement which is that Sally Wainwright's hit BBC drama is coming back for a second series which is brilliant news now I still need to catch up so I'm still stuck on series 3 I've been very busy recently but also because I know something big have you though big in yes boy I have been very busy something big is happening in episode 4 I know it's been like everyone's been talking about it so I've kind of been dragging my heels have you still not watched that episode 4?

39:22Pilot TV Hosts:it's because of what you said oh what you put you off well I mean we put him off I know it's a hard episode but yeah I can't wait to finish it and then yeah exciting news for it to come back Ricky Gervais Netflix special of his most recent stand up show has been confirmed for December 30th release Kay is that the one it's his mortality mortality we went to one of the earliest versions of this yeah you took me as a present yeah I did take you as a present that's just how great I am didn't take me well yeah but that's yeah so this is his huge big show that it's been doing for the last year or so.

39:58Pilot TV Hosts:It's been touring on it since 2024, 2025. The show they're picking out to show is filmed at the London Palladium. Oh, so it was an R1? No, it wasn't an R1, no. No, R1 was still a work in progress. We saw it at very early stages. I think it would have changed quite a lot. Yeah. Were you just about to say that London Palladium's your stomping ground? Yeah, yeah, my stomping ground, yeah. Exactly. Because of the Gavin and Stacey tour. Yeah, indeed. That's what, many things, Ricky and I haven't come up with both before because it's a form of the London Palladium. That is true. Talking of monsters.

40:28Pilot TV Hosts:But the logline is, Gervais takes on his own mortality in a brutally honest and darkly funny stand-up special about his life, death and state of the world. So that's exciting. Full on Gervais treat for New Year, Kay. We didn't discuss this last week because it broke just after we'd recorded, but Rian Johnson's poker face with Natasha Lyonne has been cancelled after two seasons. I'm not shocked by that. I'm not. I mean, yeah. You liked it more than I did, both of you two. I really liked it, yeah. I think it's good. It's not for me because, you know, I don't like those kind of episodic series. But you made an exception for this.

41:01Oh, I mean, I made an exception in that I watched the first episode and said it was quite good, but I did not make the exception in that I watched any more of it or ever planned to. Oh, I watched quite a few of it

41:09Pilot TV Hosts:and I really enjoyed it. But I think it must, I did keep watching it and thinking this must be exhausting for Rian Johnson because every episode he has to come up with an ingenious whodunit of knives out levels of complexity often. and it must be just almost impossible to pull it off. For those of you upset that you're not going to need more of this but speaking of Knives Out there is a new one imminent. There is. So Wake Up Dead Man. It arrives I think it's in cinemas on the 26th of November and then it comes to Netflix on the 12th of December. I have seen it. So have I. But it's embargoed. I cannot say what we think.

41:42Pilot TV Hosts:I saw it with a Q &A with the whole cast. Did you? No, no, no. Clearly Danielle Craig. I don't know why I call him Danielle. It's funny I went to the Royal Opening I said royal opening the key wasn't there I was there so I'm going to call it the royal opening of the London Film Festival which was the opening gala which of course was the premiere and I was there with the cast that was nice with the cast yeah I went to the after party with them afterwards so it was good yeah did you collar Daniel Craig and ask him about what you thought of Snug at SG World I did actually it's funny he was a big driving force in getting it green actually I bet you didn't know that the thought of it he's a big gator oh my god is that what they're called I think so yeah you'd never say that to his face wow yeah Okay.

42:21Anyway, do we have any more news or are we wrapping up? Okay, we're done with news. Let's move on to this. No, that was a funny, I want to give you a funny news story. Boy just literally, he's like, the can is open, the worms are everywhere.

42:32Pilot TV Hosts:Well, this is a very used, both of you really, but particularly you. Oh, okay, carry on. Did you see, did you see this? I think this was just announced today or, you know, yesterday. Friends spin-off Joey. Yes. Did you read the story? No. Friends spin-off Joey finally releases its final eight unaired episodes nearly 20 years later. Wow. Did they never air anywhere? Not even in the US? No, they didn't air anywhere. I'm not sure if this is a good idea. Well, I mean, it's funny because it was such a disaster, Joey. I remember in the very early, it was like Channel 5 bought it, and it was the whole big ad, whole big dramatic launch of it, and it was like a massive flop.

43:05Pilot TV Hosts:No one liked it. It was pretty terrible. So it completely flops, and they didn't show the final eight episodes on it. B, they're going to put them all on the official Friends YouTube channel, along with 38 other episodes that comply. There were 38 episodes there. 38 episodes. And they aired 30 of them. Exactly. And then just randomly didn't put up the last name. So, you know, for Friends diehard completists, shall we say. They might as well get some money from the advertising on YouTube. Yeah, exactly. And absolutely massive Matt LeBlanc fans. Then, yeah, tune in to their YouTube channel and you'll see it.

43:37Pilot TV Hosts:So that's a funny story, isn't it? That's not a bad story to end here. Thank you, Boydie. Pleasure. Let's move on to this week's reviews. And first up this week, we have Prisoner 951 on BBC One, which dramatizes the true story of Nazanin Zaghari-Rackliffe, here played by Nagas Rashidi. And she's a British citizen, as you will know from the news headlines, who was detained by the Iranian regime while she was in Tehran, visiting her parents and her brother. Joseph Fiennes here plays her husband, Richard, who campaigned tirelessly for her release. Now, crucially, this is the dramatization of this story and not, in fact, the similarly named documentary on this subject.

44:14Isn't that right, Kay? Yes, yes, that is right. Okay, so the reason why he's bringing that up is because I could not, I kept on getting it wrong and I kept on thinking we were doing the documentary and I thought it was odd that we were doing a documentary because we never do. And then Boyd had to point out, no, no, there's a drama, don't watch the wrong thing, you bloody idiot. So, yeah, anyway, I didn't. I watched the right one and I'm glad I did because it's incredibly powerful. I mean, I think, as you say, most people know about Nazneen and what she's gone through. But to see it play out, it's just devastating to realise, you know, how she was treated, how it all panned out, and the fact that, not least because she was separated from her baby, who was only 22 months old and was still breastfeeding and everything, so it was very traumatic for her to be separated from Gabriela.

44:58And yeah, it's just, it's so shocking to see how it all happened and the fact that Richard was in the UK, didn't know what was going on. The family also were being kept in the dark and couldn't say too much as well because they were worried about they were being spied on. I just think this is an extraordinary watch. It's a very powerful watch. I think it's an important one. And also, you know, the fact that it's not just Nazneen this has happened to, it's many other people which they also mention in this and the fact that the Foreign Office were very slow to act and were just, you know, they were all trying to calm the family down.

45:34They didn't want Richard to publicise it as he did because they said it was jeopardising her. But actually, it's because behind the scenes, it was all about, you know, later it came to light, it was all linked to a debt that the UK had with Iran. I believe 393.8 million. Yeah, so just a small loan then. A small loan. I mean, point to cover it. Yeah, something to do with tanks that weren't delivered in the 70s. and yeah so I just overall I would just say they've done a great job it's so immersive you absolutely feel like you're there with her and you run the gamut of emotions that she goes through from being like shocked, confused she doesn't know what she's being detained for and she thinks it's just a simple mistake because they say you know she's going to be released the next day so she's hopeful and then as the days turn into months turn into years obviously the full horrifying reality dawns upon her and it's completely devastating but yeah I thought it was really well done and enjoyable seems like the wrong word to use It's definitely not enjoyable It's not enjoyable but I think it's worth everyone's time As I think Boydie has already guessed I found this exceptionally difficult to watch because it's really really stressful although I will say only the second most upsetting show I watched this week but Boydie what did you think of it?

46:47Pilot TV Hosts:I thought it was excellent and I think we've reviewed a lot of shows you know in recent times which are like true crime type shows this isn't really it's not really it's not true crime I mean, it kind of is. It kind of is, yeah. It's just an international crime, a political crime. Certainly what the Iranians were doing was criminal, I'm sure, yeah. But where the tone is like a bit askew and they try and be a bit clever-clever and they try and employ gimmicks, you know, to kind of dramatize the story and it all becomes a bit queasy. Well, I think this is brilliantly judged all the way through, I think.

47:20Pilot TV Hosts:And there are moments where, you know, she's, you see an insight to her mind, she's dreaming of her husband for something, when she's put in this tiny cell on her own. Well, it feels very real because that's what, you know, to get her through this. Yeah, of course, exactly. So even those moments which are almost little flights of fantasy, if you like, or whatever, are very well judged and very well handled. And it is like you're experiencing this whole nightmare. I mean, the word Kafkaesque is overused. This is the ultimate Kafkaesque, relentless nightmare where she doesn't know what's happening to her.

47:51Pilot TV Hosts:She just was arriving to have a holiday, to see her family. she keeps being lied to by the people who are kind of interrogating her. She's being accused of being a spy, right? Yes, but even then they don't really tell her that for ages and ages. She's blindfolded everywhere she goes, so she can't see where they're taking her. They keep dropping hints that she might be set free on five days, next week, and the week after, and it's all just playing tricks on her. It's a form of torture, basically. that induce various forms of torture on her. And it's just incredibly powerful. And even though it isn't enjoyable, I'm telling you, it's so well done and it's so gripping.

48:36Pilot TV Hosts:And I have to say, she is phenomenal. Nages Rashidi, she's completely believable 100 % of the time. I mean, so is Joseph Fiennes, but I think his role is, you know, not as hard. What she's doing is really difficult, right? She's kind of playing someone terrified all the way through. And even there's a scene in the first episode where she gets to see the baby again, tantalisingly, again, cruelly, really, for kind of minutes. And when she's playing with the kids, she's so, so natural. It's almost like, it is like watching a documentary. Yes, exactly, ironically, yeah, it's not. We watched the documentary separate the following week.

49:09Pilot TV Hosts:So there is actually a documentary on BBC Two about the whole case. But I just thought the acting was brilliant. I think the way it's written, Stephen Buchard wrote it, who wrote The City is Ours. He's, you know, a very experienced drama writer. Did you say this, James? It's based on her book. It's a forthcoming book. It hasn't come out yet. oh has it not come out yet books written by the two of them oh I thought it was already out no it's called A Yard of Sky it's coming out soon apparently yeah so it is but it is based on that you're right yes and directed by Philippa Lothar we directed episodes of The Crown she's brilliant she does a brilliant job as well so it's one of those things that reminded me a bit of like those the films some of the films about you know the World Trade Center 9-11 United 93 Paul Greengrass films Paul Greengrass films right it's got a Paul Greengrass quality to it actually in fact that's that shaky camera yeah in that and even though it isn't you know even though it's telling an incredibly depressing distressing story it is really gripping like the way he he makes I remember watching like two or three times weirdly because it was so intensely gripping and fascinating I kind of wanted to see how and the other thing that I think is incredible about this type of show is what an undertaking they have to dramatise this really complex situation they have to find first of all a location where standing for the prison where she was kept they have to find locations like the airport in Iran and it's a really ambitious big thing because any because I think if they drop if you drop the ball in this thing and you try and do it cheaply on the cheap or you don't you know put in incredible levels of time and effort to getting it all right it will come across as inauthentic whereas this is so authentic every single step in the way step of the way I just think it's a real achievement so I think it's excellent and all the support cast as well everyone the parents and the whole thing with the Foreign Office because yeah, the Foreign Office is dragging everyone knows the British Foreign Office almost more than any other is all about, oh no, we can't ruffle feathers but actually the more feathers he ruffles the more that her supporters do stuff, whether it's hunger strikes and all of the stuff they try to do So within the first morning of him the husband putting an online petition 15 ,000 people signed and that really scared the Foreign Office That real kind of conflict, if you like, between the actual family who are trying to do that, and within the families, because her dad and her brother have conflict about what the best is to do.

51:30Pilot TV Hosts:Because they're living in Iran, and they're obviously in peril themselves. Exactly. And then the conflict between the Foreign Office and him, the husband. The first meeting between the husband and the minister is extraordinary. It is really extraordinary. So, stuff like that is really dramatic. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't be put off by the fact that this is a distressing story because it is very dramatic and it's very interesting as well and the way it's done will grip you all the way through. It's interesting I think because this gives you an amount of nuance because it's recent enough that we all kind of know the facts of this case to greater or lesser extent.

52:06It's only four episodes so that's four hours in total. I think that's merciful. And also necessary I think because again you've got this element because there's not a lot of overarching drama for the simple reason that we all know how this ends and largely speaking we know the beats of how it plays out we may not know the minutiae and some of the discussions that we had and that's very interesting

52:25Pilot TV Hosts:but we do know how it ends and we know where it's going so I think the early episodes where she's discombobulated well not early episodes I mean sort of almost the early scenes in the first episode where she doesn't know what's happening oh I'm going to be released on Sunday oh it's all going to be fine obviously we're all watching this we know it's not going to be fine and we know she's not going to be released on Sunday so I almost think that if you had gone into this cold and you knew nothing about the actual situation like that would have been incredible edge of your seat stuff because you're not oh my god what is going to happen except there will be another three episodes so you know it's not going to get resolved that quickly this is why I think it's so good because again I'm making the comparison to United 93 again obviously we all know we know how that is the detail it's the detail that makes it dramatic it's about the human drama it's like Lockerbie when we watched it but particularly this one seeing it through her eyes and literally being shown what she was put through hour on hour day by day that makes it really dramatic and interesting even though you think you know the story but actually this is showing you in its detail something that you don't know I don't think any of us do know well her and her family and people close to her but I don't think the rest of us know the detail of it and that's what makes it special and it's chilling because it's still happening that's the thing oh yeah absolutely painfully so I'm going to make a political point oh here we go I warn you now but I genuinely think within it won't be long before we see a similar drama about the people that are being taken off the streets by ICE people in Trump's America.

53:49Pilot TV Hosts:And you can cut that if you want, James, but I think it's a valid comparison because people are being snatched off the street and without any due process in the United States of America right now. And I think that deserves to be dramatized in a similar way. What would you just call it? ICE? Yes. Yes. There we go. Boyd is pitching TV shows to the BBC, so if you would like to make that show, please make the checkout to Pilot TV Podcast. keep us in lint chocolate and we'll split it split between us or just send in lint vouchers that's fine too we will accept that yeah inappropriate but fair enough Prisoner 951 then airs on BBC1 yes so it started yesterday Sunday the 23rd carries on today Monday the 24th and then next Sunday Monday as we've said it'll all be on the iPlayer as well next up this week we have Watson on Sky Witness season one of Watson we should say aired back in January on CBS in the US and I think the second season started last month over there as well so we are quite a way behind.

54:43But this show, which Boyddy talked about a little bit last week, this stars Maurice Chesna as Dr. John Watson, Sherlock Holmes' famous sidekick, who kind of, after Sherlock, is apparently killed by Moriarty at Reichenbach Falls, retires from the whole investigation game, sets up a hospital in Pittsburgh where he essentially becomes House MD. The setup for this show is wild. Boyddy. Yes. Now, I famously, famously... Famously. Didn't watch all of House. No. But this is basically a house reboot. Wash your mouth out. It is. No, it is. It is. It's not as good as a house. You can't compare it. But it is Die at House.

55:20But also, this is what's wild to me. This is basically the setup. The fact that he has a load of student-type underling doctors and he has those little sort of Socratic discussions. Is it lupus? You know, a lot of that goes on. But also, so you've got that on the one hand. And then randomly, they use this incredible, incredibly cynical musical leitmotif from the BBC Sherlock to remind you that it's Sherlock connected even though it's not that Sherlock connected and I thought that was so fucking cheeky.

55:48Pilot TV Hosts:Yeah, insane. Absolutely insane. It opens quite spectacularly with the Reichenbach Falls kind of incident. There's a big waterfall and it's all you think oh, this is quite a lavish you know, Sherlockian thing. And then you go hospital procedural. And then it does do an incredible kind of incredibly unthrilling, becomes an unthrilling procedure, as you say, in the house style. But so close to the house style. But I'll tell you the difference, though, is the tone. So House, right from the start, the genius of House, and I've watched every single episode, some of them multiple times, it's fun. Because you've got Hugh Laurie showing off as Dr.

56:30Pilot TV Hosts:House, being smug and smarmy and cantankerous, but genius. You've got him bouncing off his own Wilson, right? You know, the Dr. Watson character, who's a lovely guy, decent guy, and they're constantly bickering about stuff. He's bickering with the rest of his team. The mysteries are really interesting. You know, they're smart. They're smart. There is a mystery every week. There's running jokes about lupus. You know, it's funny. Yeah. It's funny and clever and gripping and dramatic when he wants to be dramatic, blah, blah, blah. This has no sense of humour about it. Every now and then, there's twins.

57:03Pilot TV Hosts:There's characters who are twins in it. And one of them starts dating the other's ex-girlfriend. And that's a funny, kind of a funny little moment. Well, I'm trying to be generous. I'm trying to find the humour in what is otherwise a dour, a weirdly dour take on Sherlock and on House. Again, Sherlock itself, you know, the coming back to the show, it's fucking hilarious. It's, you know, Stephen Moffat and Mark Gait is bringing the comedy to that character and that story. there's a miserable case it starts with with this with the young mother it's just kind of depressing rather than rather than kind of fascinating and the whole tone of it is quite self-serious as well as if like you know apart from randomly this British character Shinwell who's a former criminal from London who's an acquaintance of Watson who kind of like rescues him from the Reichenbach thing and kind of tells him what's going on.

58:03Pilot TV Hosts:And he's like a real cockney. He's just a real like... Oh my God, he's a cockney teacher. He's from a Guy Ritchie show, yeah. He literally says, welcome home, Gov. Yeah, he's wandered in from the Gentleman, the Guy Ritchie series. And there's just a real weird clash of like... I think it's just his accent is so cockney in this. It might be his real actual real accent. I think it probably is. You know, he's a British guy. Ritchie Costa plays him. But it just feels all askew. it doesn't hold together and yeah so it's trying to be like how Sper failing miserably mixed with Sherlock and failing even more miserably it does it does signal the death knell of of mainstream network primetime TV this is so network like it's almost excruciating the network well that's the problem it's you know and it's like I watched it thinking you haven't learned you've taken such clear inspiration from these brilliant shows that went before it that told the Sherlock Holmes story and the Watson story as well.

59:00Pilot TV Hosts:But you've learned nothing because what you've made is just this boring, dour, unfunny, miserable thing. There's obviously an audience for it. That's the thing. Well, kind of, yeah. I mean, it shows you how incredibly common adaptations of Holmes and Watson stories are. I mean, Arthur Conan Doyle, I think he said Arthur C. Clarke, Arthur Conan Doyle. That's a Sherlock I'd watch. I think it's out of, what's the word? There's no restrictions. Anyone can do their Sherlock story. Because it's out of copyright. Out of copyright, that's the word I was looking for. Copyright. So, and so these keep happening again and again and again.

59:31Pilot TV Hosts:But the music. Yes. The music. So I can't remember what that little that warbling instrument is that they use, you know, because it has a very distinctive sound, hasn't it? Like the BBC show-along. Yeah. And at two points in this episode, they all but lift. And it's one of those things where, oh my God, it's literally the music except they change like one note so it's slightly different. I wanted to text David Arnold, I kind of know, who wrote the theme tune, co-wrote the theme tune. Do you know they've ripped off your music? Yeah, absolutely. Because you're right, it's comical. yeah but it's so like hey look you love Sherlock this is Sherlock and one final thing sorry I mean spoiler alert but I mean you know who cares no alright Moriarty Moriarty pops up he does at the end and I'm like oh this is I mean that was the final nail in the corner I mean you've got you're following the footsteps of Andrew Scott one of the most powerful and impactful and legendary arrivals of a character in TV history did you miss him?

1:00:25Pilot TV Hosts:he is so brilliant right as Moriarty in the BBC Sherlock. This arrival of the Sherlock could not be less underwhelming. Don't you come for Randall Park. Oh my God. I'm talking about miscasting. Randall Park is... He's the least threatening. He is. Least scary. But I love Randall Park. He might cuddle him to death. I mean, right. It almost does. You'll never see him come in. It's embarrassing. So that's all I've got to say. You've managed to find someone whose version of Moriarty is literally could be... the bloke next door. He's so unscary. Hiding in plain sight. Yes, well. I think you've been a touch harsh.

1:01:04I agree with everything you've said broadly. Apart from you randomly like Randall Park. Apart from I like Randall Park. But also, it's not a bad show. It's not a great show. It's not great. It's fine. Yeah, exactly. It's fine. I agree. It's exactly like, the medical mystery is quite interesting. They go through a few like, red herrings, not actual red herrings. You know, oh, it's going to be this. Oh, it's not Lupus. It's going to be that. And the actual, you know, when they finally I must admit I found the final payoff of what it was quite like alright I don't know what any of that means but sure whatever you like but I and you know there's a bit of revelation about it ooh interesting so I didn't mind that it wasn't as clever as the few episodes of House that I have seen but I think you're right it's while I think Maurice Chestnut is perfectly fine and charismatic and all these things and there is a gratuitous shot where the doctor takes off his shirt so you can see the unbelievably chiseled abs and pecs that he has it's like okay that is a doctor with enough time to go to the gym four times a day but all of that is fine but it's just like it's not enough it's not quite enough so it's perfectly and I think if you love House and you re-watch House all the time and you go oh god I wish I made more House I mean you might as well watch it because if you like that formula it is similar it's just not as good

1:02:11Pilot TV Hosts:I think all of House is on Netflix is now handily or just re-watch House on Netflix I'm pretty sure yeah no I agree it sounded more damning than I made it to be it is fine and in fact it's not as bad as some of the other we've done a couple of big network prime time shows recently which have been worse. And it has the slightly, perhaps he'll conceive, like villainous Moriarty thread running through the episodes in the background. Like that's your story arc for you there. Yeah, indeed. But it's absolutely wild though that if they wanted to do a house-esque kind of investigative medical procedural, why they decided to sort of like blend it with the Sherlock franchise kind of blows my mind.

1:02:49Like it's such an odd fit. Because we had Elementary as well, by the way, which is also CBS.

1:02:53Pilot TV Hosts:Yes, it's the CBS show. Johnny Lee Miller. And that ran for years. So I guess that's, you know, I guess that's why. And I kind of wondered whether this was in the same universe, but I don't think it is. Because they had a different Moriarty. And also, I believe, I believe Sherlock, there's been an announcement of the casting of Sherlock in this show. Oh, right. Yes, yes. I thought you were going to say Sherlock's coming back. I thought this was another line of duty. Yes, that's it. I was going to talk about the very least. Yes, yes. Benedict Cumberbatch will return as Sherlock in Watson. It was unexpected, but it's happening.

1:03:20Can you imagine? can you imagine I have absolutely nothing to add to both your announcers other than to say when I was watching this my only overriding thought was I really want to watch House so I'm going to do that rather than watch what you're saying is if you eliminate the impossible whatever remains however improbable must be this show well done yes okay

1:03:41Pilot TV Hosts:Watson then which is on Sky Witness and now on Monday the 24th of November today if you're listening to this as the podcast comes out 9pm 2025 nearly at 2026 by the way bring it on finally this week we have series 3 of Changing Ends on ITV I did say it was a slow week this continues the story of a young Alan Carr who apparently after Celebrity Traitors is beloved by all and I'm not allowed to say a bad word about him this series is not beloved by me it has to be said I strongly suspect the two of you feel differently I turned this off after 12 minutes and 44 seconds because I just couldn't handle it.

1:04:24I did, however, give myself a day to recover and then watch the remaining 15 minutes of it, but it was a struggle. I think that's banana crackers. That is crazy. What? You could sit through Watson. Yes. I found this excruciating. I really did. I think it's just like, it's definitely not my sense of humour. I find it quite aggressively unfunny to the point of cringe where it triggers my cringe reflex. I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, I can't. I just can't watch this. It's just, yeah. It's just not my sense of humour at all. And so I find it a bit of a struggle to watch. Okay. Sorry. I think that does...

1:05:05So I know a number of people, including Lizzie in The Empire Office, who's a massive fan of the show, really, really enjoys it. So I'm prepared to concede that it may be me. Oh, it's definitely me. It's not only you.

1:05:15Pilot TV Hosts:I mean, there's no... It's not only you. There's no... Really? Cross. Are you sure? Absolutely. 100%. I love it. It's great. Because, and I don't... I'm surprised you could take against it. It doesn't strike me as the kind of show that many people... You might not love it as much as, you know... I love Alan. I think he's fantastic. I find the Alan Carr impersonation quite great. Oh, okay. I think... And the comedy is very broad. And weirdly, the Alan character, I actually found less, like, the cringe stuff, a lot of it came from the parental storylines, which I did not enjoy either. Because, again, very broad.

1:05:52And I was just like, to my, let's say, finely miscalibrated sense of humour, it was just like bum note after bum note. I'm just like, oh my God, this is just killing me. I find it so unfunny. So I just, yeah, I couldn't.

1:06:04Pilot TV Hosts:I mean, I think part of the whole joy of the show is the fact that they found someone, Oliver Savelle particularly, to play the young Alan, who has... But this wasn't the old young Alan, was it? Yeah, yeah. So he's just got older. Yeah, yeah. So fine, because I'm trying to work out... That's the ageing process. Thank you for explaining the passage of time. I just wanted to be sure. You thought he might be a new actor. Yeah, I thought it was a new actor because he's older. It's the same actor. It's the same actor. And I have to say, part of the whole success of the show is that he is brilliant, actually, at doing the young Alan.

1:06:36Pilot TV Hosts:Because it's a hard task. Because Alan has got a really unique voice, a unique delivery of what he says, which is partly why he's in National Treasure and partly why he won the Celebrity Traitors spoiler alert. Oh my God. I mean, I haven't put it past people. Yeah, Boyd, he just spoiled Celebrity Traitors. Yeah. So yeah, he does a brilliant job playing him. And obviously, Alan speaks in this particular way that clearly you find great. No, no, weirdly, it's not his voice I find great. it's the it's the imitation of his voice it's just I don't know it's just I can't be dealing with it okay yeah it's quite it's a lot well yeah I just think he's brilliantly cast and it does a fantastic job in the role and in this this is this news it's set in 1989 it's got the 80s nostalgia thing it Athena Athena right what a throwback what a throwback because you're something you're reminded of and those exact posters yes I like the Athena bit I did like that finally I like the Athena stuff because and the best the best this show has the best kind of nostalgia because it reminds you of stuff you'd forgotten about or the minutiae and I think that's down to Alan Alan's very clever at remembering stuff and pinpointing stuff that has that I'm going to say Proustian no less yes indeed quality wow yes Proustian I'm sticking with it just the little things that remind you of your youth and you know of times gone past even just like you know the swimming classes and stuff like that All the detail is actually great.

1:08:09Pilot TV Hosts:But particularly Athena, just that brought it back. And to recreate that, where the fuck they found? The posters. Just in front of the store. Filing the posters is less difficult. But just the whole storefront. Athena doesn't exist anymore, as far as I'm aware. It hasn't existed for decades. It hasn't existed for decades. But I remember going into the, because they'd have books, they'd have... Mainly posters and cards and things. It's already been difficult. Did they sell books? I don't know. I guarantee you, maybe the bigger branches. Okay. The one I went in. The flagship Athena store at the time.

1:08:39It's a weird detail for you to get back on.

1:08:41Pilot TV Hosts:It is a really useless detail. But it's just great to see those things, particularly that example. And of course, the other element of why it works for me is because a lot of the adult stuff is about football because his dad is the football manager. Another reason it has to be said that I did not enjoy it. Indeed. Sean Dooley as his dad. Sean Dooley does a brilliant job. I love Sean Dooley. Sean Dooley is great in everything he does. He was in It's a Sin, etc. He's always brilliant. But he does such a good job playing the manager because he just captures what football managers were like back then and some of them still are like that today, kind of unreconstructed.

1:09:15Pilot TV Hosts:But he's a decent guy. He's not caricatured, I think, interestingly, because I know that eyebrow has been raised by James listeners. But he's not caricatured. I think particularly the dad, because you might think the dad is like a disapproving, you know. And he has elements of that and he is embarrassed quite a lot by Alan, which I think rings totally true. but at the end of the day he's a good guy he's a decent guy and in his dealings in the football world you see that come out as well and you know being fascinated by football to have that recreation of what football was like back then and we're talking lower division football this is not like Premier League or Division 1 yeah or Division 1 as we used to call it this is kind of yeah kind of lower level in the football pyramid so all of that I found interesting Alan popping up every now and then that device I think works really well do you know what I used to hate that when we watched I remember you mentioning that I was like oh no I didn't need that I don't like that fourth wall being broken I mean like Fleabag obviously did it very well but even in do you remember the show about the phone hacking recently with David Tennant talking to him yeah I just do not yeah I just do not like it but I have to say and I can't tell if my enjoyment of this has increased because of the celebrity traitors and like just oh probably and everyone appreciating Alan more but I really enjoyed those cameos now I thought they added extra dimension to it.

1:10:33Pilot TV Hosts:But it's also a bit like things that everybody hates Chris. Remember the show? Yes, the Chris Rock one. Yeah, where Chris Rock narrated it and kind of, so it has that, there's another example which I can't remember at the moment right now, obviously, of a show about a kid, the life of a young celebrity where the older version pops up as well. So it is a device that's been used before. I think it works really well. I've always liked it. What about, wasn't it, it was the Rock one? That was that. That's right, you're right, the Rock, yeah. Young Rock. Yes, exactly, thank you. So I've always loved the Alan popping up elements to it.

1:11:04Pilot TV Hosts:And I think actually they've got better as it's got on. I agree with that actually. I didn't, because I seem to quite didn't love those in the first season but actually here I actually thought they were quite funny. Yeah, yeah. He's just got he's just got funny bones. I've said it before. Some people do, some people don't. And I think with the casting and I think the story, by the way, the storyline in the first episode is that young Alan gets a crush on the handsome boy who works in Athena. Who works in Athena. And that's a lot, you know, it's not long ago, I don't know, maybe even 10, you'd never have got this storyline.

1:11:34Pilot TV Hosts:You know, a young guy, you know, kind of teen, he's like 15, talking about his, you know, how he fancies this other boy. We've moved on. And I think this is testament to that culturally. I think it's significant. To be celebrated. Yeah, totally celebrated. And they do it very, and actually, again, to fly in the face of what James says, they do that quite very cleverly and kind of tenderly. Is tenderly a word? No, I was going to say, it's very sweet and funny and tender in places and I appreciate that. 100%. And tone is everything in this kind of show. So I think you're horrendously wrong. Fair enough.

1:12:05Pilot TV Hosts:You should repent. I think it does lack a certain verisimilitude, but it is a sitcom, so, you know, that's fine. But just certainly the interaction, there is an incident in the pool with a chocolate bar, which very nearly, I was like, no, just absolutely not. I can't be having this. But I should say, I have nothing against Alan Carr at all. He may be a national treasure to you. He's not so much for me. I don't watch Celebrity Traitors, but, you know, I've met him. He gave me an award once. So, you know, he's... What for? I can't remember. one of my many awards that I've won, okay? For a new show called Changing Bellin.

1:12:34Very good. Very good. Yes, that's right. Oh, wow. It's tickled him. Yeah, that's good. It's good. I like it. But yeah, it's just not for me. As to be fair, on most sitcoms, not for me. But this is another one. Changing Ends, then,

1:12:49Pilot TV Hosts:which enters its third series on ITV. When? This is quite interesting scheduling-wise as well, actually. It starts on, it started yesterday, Sunday, the 23rd, at 10.05, and it runs all week on ITV after I'm a Celebrity. I think it's kind of like, yeah, I think it's a treat. I think it's inheriting I'm a Celebrity every night. So, yeah, I think it's a good thing. Yeah, runs all week and carries on probably the beginning of the following week. Okay. Other things are out this week. There's a little show called Stranger Things, which drops on Netflix on Thursday, which obviously is heavily embargoed.

1:13:21We will cover that, not on Plus, but on the regular show next Monday. On the Reg. So, fear not, we'll get to talk about that then. there's also the Beatles Anthology which is the Disney Plus Peter Jackson restored documentary which we also couldn't see for this podcast so that's great that's on Wednesday by the way it is on Wednesday on the Disney Blue on the Disney Blue what else we've got Bay of Fire Series 2 on ITVX that comes on Sunday

1:13:45Pilot TV Hosts:should you wish to watch it have we missed anything else? Prehistoric Planet I see just the apples kind of lavish which you're shilling for currently I did shill for I did host a thing does have mammoths I do love a mammoth. Amazing mammoth. I love a mammoth. Very, very good mammoth action. There's a crims? Crims? See, we should ask Kay a question. Quay, what do you think of mammoths? Tell us. Tell us right now, this second, what do you think of mammoths? Go. That's just shit. What's that? What's that? What did you say? Talking around your chocolate? What was that? Okay, I might have just had a chocolate.

1:14:14For sustenance, we've been going on for about four hours.

1:14:16Pilot TV Hosts:Fair. Fair enough. There's a Chris Hemsworth documentary. About mammoths? Which was unexpected. No, I've watched it. It's about, yes, He's gone on a road trip to remember with his dad, who was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. Oh, right. And they've gone on a road trip in Australia, hoping that this sort of reminiscence therapy will help him because it can halt the speed of which and the dementia decline. He's become quite the unscripted hero, hasn't he? He's done loads of these things. He has, yes. This one particularly, sorry, boys, this one is particularly poignant because obviously it's with his family and with his dad.

1:14:47And it's really quite sweet. And also for anyone who's got family members or it's quite useful. He's got a lot of useful information from doctors.

1:14:56Pilot TV Hosts:Interesting, yeah. So that's Chris Evansworth, The Road Trip to Remember on National Geographic and Disney Plus today, Monday the 24th of November, nine o 'clock. Doc is another procedural. I think it might even be from the same team as Watson, but it's on Sky Witness now from Wednesday at nine o 'clock and that's the second season of that show which we've previously entirely ignored. I think that's about it, yeah. Okay, fabulous. what is our pick of the week Prisoner 951 yeah yes has to be agreed not Watson sorry okay that's it for this week's show we hope you enjoyed it as ever please do leave us a review we would love a 5 star rating on whatever platform you should so choose and also follow us on the socials Kate was about to say something yes I was going to say we had a new review in and I just wanted to give oh god don't worry about it it's fine it's never good news when you read out a review well no I'm not going to read it out I just wanted to flag I wanted to give a shout out to Robert Frost who actually wrote in the style of Robert.

1:15:55He did a little kind of, yeah, poem me type thing. So you should look at that at your lecture. We got a review from Robert Frost. Yes. This is amazing. This is Slow Horse's editor, Robert Frost. Yes. Oh, actual Robert Frost. It's not the poet. No, I knew he wasn't the poet, but I didn't realise it was actually the poet. I forgot that Robert Frost was our Slow Horse's editor. Yes, absolutely. I just remember him writing in and I was joking about Sir Robert Frost. Yeah, our new favourite editor. Absolutely. Sorry, Darren. Legend. Poor Darren. Not only did he not get chocolates, but now he's not our favorite editor.

1:16:27I mean, we're terrible, aren't we? Yeah, we are. Sorry. But crucially, so this is Robert Frost, the editor, but he has written a poem in the manner of Robert Frost, the poet. This is what you're telling me. Well, he's written... I want you to read it because I think you'll do it justice. I will mess it up. So one of two things has happened here. Either Robert Frost, the editor, who is clearly a very funny guy, has decided to write us a Robert Frost the Poet-esque review on Apple Podcasts or someone else being extremely meta has decided to just review it as Robert Frost oh I didn't even think of that could be anything no I think it's our Sir Robert Frost I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna read we're gonna read this poem out go on James I'm gonna do it you ready?

1:17:06best reading voice okay this is the latest review on Apple Podcasts for the podcast three voices gathered when new shows begin James Charting Strutcher pace and theme Kay gauging tone beneath the din and Boyd ever sly would softly beam, as he alluded to truths untold. They roamed through slow horses, muddy and sharp, then vaulted into the expanse's flight, picking apart each scene, each spark, what lands, what drags, what just feels right, their craft to judge what stories hold. And I strolled with them episode by episode, hearing debates on which paths thrive. They walked the road where pilots load, their promise hoping to survive, a weekly wander through the bold.

1:17:45Very good. That's pretty good. That's amazing. A lot of effort's gone into that. The actual, original Robert Frost couldn't have done better. No. Do you know what? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's better than anything actual Robert Frost has ever written. I'm giving that five stars. Five stars for the poem. Five stars for the review. Thank you very much for your time. Very happy with that. Fantastic. Love it. We welcome all reviews. They don't have to be poems. But yes, that gets... Do you know what? I think they should all be poems from now on. Don't put people off. Leave us a review.

1:18:08Frankly, if you're not going to talk about us in iambic pentameter, I don't want to hear about it. Stop alienating the listeners, James. Fair enough. if you want to follow us on social media we are at PilotTVPod we are at Cara Barrow we are at Boyd Hilson and I am at James E. Dyer on next week's show I mean there's a lot to talk about we're going to be doing Stranger Things which is exciting but what else is out next week I mean you know how much I love a mammoth but mammoth is back for a second series not actually about mammoths Talamaska comes to Netflix which is the Anne Rice Dark Universe spin-off show it is the glue that sort of sticks Interview with the Vampire and the Mayfair which is together point doesn't think it is I didn't know about that It may not be.

1:18:44It's in the calendar.

1:18:45Pilot TV Hosts:I may have put it there. Who knows? I mean, you did put a couple of things in the calendar for November, which weren't actually on until December. Don't need to talk about that. See, this is why we don't bother with the bloody calendar. Exactly. Don't need to talk about that. The Hunt. The Hunt comes to Apple TV on Wednesday. The Abandons, which is the new Kurt Sutter show. That comes to Netflix. Very excited about that one. Spartacus, How of Asher, comes to MGM+. I'm also excited about that one. There's a lot going on. But you've left the best to last. The War Between the Land and the Sea lands on BBC One on Sunday.

1:19:11Almost all of these, I'm sure, will be embargoed. so I have literally no idea which ones we will or will not cover next week, but we will do Stranger Things next week. On this week's Pilot Plus, we will do something. I know not what. And guys, guys, you know, it's that time of year. We are coming up in December. It's creeping up on us. We're going to have to talk our list of the shows of the year and we're going to have to talk the review of the year podcast. Cue the office puncher. Yeah. So I don't know quite how we're going to attack this this year. Well, attack is the key word there. I mean, we could take a battle royale approach to it.

1:19:41Why not? Except me and Boyd would probably end up dead, so I'm not sure that's a good idea. I was going to say, I know you are back in that scenario. Indeed, yes, so let's maybe not do that. So, I don't know, we'll work that out. But yes, keep your eyes and ears peeled for our review of the S-Petal, which will probably go out between Christmas and New Year during that time when Boyd would like us to be working, but we're actually not.

1:19:57Pilot TV Hosts:Well, again, we have to deal with the fact that the biggest shows are going to be on New Year's Day, and what do we do about that? And I've personally said I'm committed to doing it if you can get us screeners, Boyd, but have you pulled your finger out? I seem to recall you said Boyd had to get a screen as Anne Bias lunch. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes, James. I think that was... Well, you can say what you like. Well, listeners, let's just see how committed Boyd is to you. You don't have to make yourself... Just get your chef to whip something up for us. We don't need you to actually cook it. It's fine. I think it's almost...

1:20:22It's definitely going to happen. It's going to happen. I feel it. It's definitely going to happen. Jesus Christ. Round of Boyds for Christmas Day. Excellent. That's it. We're done. See you next time. Pilot out.

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