Rooster, Gone, and The Capture. With guests Kurt and Wyatt Russell

8:35Kurt Russell:Absolutely. If you decide to watch something together, you've got to watch it together. okay anyway I like to watch Bridgeton on my own apparently so well I like Luke and I have just got a special pond that needs to be served alone anyway it's wonderful and yeah I thoroughly recommend you delve in

8:52Wyatt Russell:I bet you do

8:53Kurt Russell:I do

8:53Wyatt Russell:here's a question sorry I'm still fascinated by this is there more male butt action than female say boob action

9:01Kurt Russell:yes there is which is interesting isn't it there is a nipple situation I feel like there was a lot of talk about what was termed the pinnacle. So there was a lot of talk about female orgasms, but there has been not as much flesh revealed female. There's been more male flesh, which I'm delighted about.

9:23Wyatt Russell:I was talking to somebody who works in TV the other day, who actually remained nameless, who said that a producer will not have naked boobage in any of their shows. There is a naked boobage in this. A particular producer. Yes. that you're just not going to name. Okay, that's fine. And they banned boobage in their shows. They just don't want to have boobage in any of their shows, but they will have. They're fine with a male buttage. I think that's fine. There's a distinction there. It's interesting.

9:50Kurt Russell:We'll come on to this a little bit more later because this is something I wanted to talk about because I feel like there's been a real shift, actually, in the fact that I'm seeing more male... Look at her little face. Her whole face is lit up. No, I think this is true. Isn't it interesting?

10:05Wyatt Russell:It's weird how boobage has become slightly unexpected. When you see it now, I think it was in Lena Dunham, certainly in girls, I mean, copious amounts of girls, mainly her own. But I think it's shocking when that happens. I think it's much more shocking now to see bare boobage than it is in almost anything else, really.

10:24Kurt Russell:I was shocked to see this nipple, actually, in Bridgerton. But as I've said, I was delighted to see every part of Luke that I possibly could. And please do get him in so I can tell him. We will do our best to have a kind of bum-out interview here in the studio, if at all possible. The entire interview could be about this issue. That would be amazing.

10:44Wyatt Russell:Boydie, what filth have you been watching this week? Yeah, I haven't watched Bridgerton. I need to catch up. I am going to do my last industry. State of the industry. Boyd's industry corner. Yeah, because it also ties in with news, because just after we recorded last week, literally as we were recording, in fact, it was announced that there would be one more fifth and final season of Industry. So that was news that we missed out on just because of when we record and everything. But as we speak here today, Wednesday, the finale went out on Monday. And can I do a... No, you cannot do a spoiler. If you want to do industry spoiler chat, we have a place for that.

11:25We don't really. That is on Pilot Plus. But no, you cannot drop industry spoilers on the main podcast.

11:31Kurt Russell:Listen, why just in future? Okay. just don't tell him it's a spoiler because he doesn't watch it so he's not going to know because then Boyd will get complaints

11:38Wyatt Russell:direct to him no I could say flash you know rewind forward by like a minute and then you know but people are driving they're jogging they're going to be fumbling for the controls accidents will happen we've done that with your favourite shows before I'm sure that's a different matter yeah oh yeah they're kind of twisting the expanse

11:55Kurt Russell:I'm going to say how big a spoiler do you think it is

11:58Wyatt Russell:I mean the funny thing is I've already mentioned this way earlier in the season

12:01Kurt Russell:he's already said it it's fine just say it again then Okay, wait, wait. Crucially, give everyone a breath. Boyd's on his bullshit again, so just be warned. He's about to ruin another show. It's Boyd's BS. BS, yeah. So, you know, brace yourselves.

12:15Wyatt Russell:Boyd's on his bullshit. Okay. Boba, Boba, Boyd's on his bullshit again. Anyway, that's fine. I did mention this halfway through the season that this was a thing that they touched upon, but basically, one of the characters in this show, in industry, as it goes on and on, and you finally makes it absolutely clear in the finale, kind of turns into Ghislaine Maxwell. So, like, she ends up trafficking, literally trafficking, young, underage girls to a situation in the finale where men are present and men are being kind of looked after. So they've literally taken that story of the whole Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein story and kind of made their own version of it, but brilliantly kind of almost deployed it at the end of the previous season and deployed the reasons why this character ends up in this situation.

13:04Wyatt Russell:It's just an ingenious bit of incredibly topical, fascinating way of using that story and have their own kind of parallel version of it. So yeah, that's just one of the amazing things about this series.

13:17Kurt Russell:I've heard a lot of people who have said that this, who've heard other people say that this season of Industry is so good that they've gone back and watched from season one, which is what I plan to do. I do plan to do that.

13:29Wyatt Russell:You should, yeah. That was it. It's not even that spoiled, I don't think. It's just, yeah, it's a fantastic bit of storylining and just exploring that whole horrendous world, really, and how amoral it all ends up being in the capitalist, let's face it, system. Why don't you watch Industry, James? It annoys me. Bellend.

13:48Kurt Russell:Bellend test, remember?

13:50Wyatt Russell:Oh, dear.

13:50Kurt Russell:Yeah. To be fair, I was quite drawn into and captivated by the most recent season when we started it, in a way that I wasn't by the first season. so it has been added to the sofa list so I am it's on I don't know when I'll get to it but I would like to get to it

14:06Wyatt Russell:I could just do a James and organise my own spoiler special with the creators you could I encourage it you should I would applaud you doing that in fact Boydie I think we should set that as a challenge for you for next week to organise a spoiler episode you do love it I am a busy man I've got so much to do you fit them in Boydie you know you can you should absolutely do it people need to hear this there is a lot to discuss I mean look at the sex annuity I was going to say I did ask them you could ask them the bum question you could ask them the bum question do you audition individual buttocks you do see a lot of Kit Harington's bum in the series

14:43Kurt Russell:well I love Kit Harington Kit off Harrington

14:46Wyatt Russell:there's an incentive for you

14:48Kurt Russell:no no I'm definitely going to do it I'm definitely going to do it everybody I hear a lot of people saying that this season is really has been the best oh yeah it gets better and better it's like White Lotus isn't it I feel like the most recent seasons have been like gateway drugs for everyone who now wants to go back and watch the rest.

15:01Wyatt Russell:Yeah, definitely. And the other thing I watched which I thought I'd mention is The Brits. I know it's pop culture. And not even film, but music. Music and pop culture. We'll let you go with it. But I just want to mention it because I think it was really good this year, The Brits. And a lot of that is down to Jack Whitehall as the host who did a brilliant job. You've got to have a comedian hosting these things. You know, actors. No. Actors who are funny in scripted shows don't count. And often they make the mistake. They seem to like, the Oscars does this, the BAFTAs do this, where you get an actor or actresses, or even one or more of them, but they're not comedians.

15:36Kurt Russell:I know, that's why I thought it was such a pleasure to get Kristen What's-Her-Face to do the zag after. It never works.

15:41Wyatt Russell:It never works. Just get a fucking comedian.

15:44Kurt Russell:Sorry, the Actors Award.

15:45Wyatt Russell:Yeah, so for the Oscars this year, Conan O 'Brien, second year running. Absolutely, that's as it should be. Remember that time when they had like, we didn't have James Franco and Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway, no. That was excruciating. Bless Anne Hathaway. she did her absolute best to try and salvage it but it was just terrible terrible idea terrible idea so there's that and they had the Brits the BAFTA film was hosted by an Australian funny woman who's not comedian either who's a funny actress who lived in is this a riddle? yeah I don't know

16:14Kurt Russell:she lived in a shoe anyway

16:20Wyatt Russell:yeah so he was Jack Wilde did a brilliant job and he responded to like people in the room and he was funny he went around the table interviewing Spokin' on Gallagher and he just did a fantastic job but I also I'm not I'm not the world's expert on rockular music but the performances were great Harry Styles opening the show was absolutely fucking brilliant

16:39Kurt Russell:oh I watched I did watch that did you see him yeah I watched the Harry Styles I watched the clips of that because yeah now you've said it's really good maybe I should go back and watch it but generally I gave up watching the Brits a long time ago yeah but you know maybe I should go back and watch it it was good

16:51Wyatt Russell:and Alex Warren Alex Warren his performance was stunning with orchestra full orchestra and everything his song Ordinary was brilliant but I wanted to say that Harry Styles is clearly being influenced by David Byrne you know David Byrne is currently he did a show last night of Exo Talking Heads he did a show last night in Hammersmith which everyone says is one of the best shows ever I haven't seen anyone saying that's clearly what he was doing with his dancing and with the backing dances he had because it wasn't like a showbiz dance routine it was like a David Byrne dance routine

17:21Kurt Russell:it was very much like a contemporary dance wasn't it?

17:25Wyatt Russell:And if you've seen Stop Making Sense, one of the best concert films of all time, James, I've now, I always look out at the corner of my eye.

17:31Kurt Russell:James, do you need time? Do you want to leave for like... Can I? Yeah.

17:34Wyatt Russell:I'm going to step out for a minute.

17:36Kurt Russell:All these things. Computer games.

17:37Wyatt Russell:I do always look at the, I can sense him, you know, either like losing the world to live, doing his emails, or frowning on me for even carrying on this discussion. No, I like it when he does this.

17:47Kurt Russell:He kind of goes... Yeah, yeah. It's like the James Rabbit of like, what's happening? I don't know what you're talking about. This is all lost on me. I don't know the name

17:55Wyatt Russell:of these people exactly but Harry Styles is also the man of the moment to mention the film because he's got the best scene in the film Project Hail Mary oh is he hang on no no no it's a karaoke song did you just ruin Project Hail Mary no it's a karaoke song okay well I was just about to say

18:10Kurt Russell:I didn't know he was in Project Hail Mary he's not in it

18:13Wyatt Russell:someone sings one of his songs okay and it's fine

18:16Kurt Russell:he's honest bullshit I know he's relentless shut up no okay that's exciting I'm really looking forward to seeing Project Hail Mary you should see it As a film, not a TV show. Yes, indeed. James, what have you been watching? What non-TV related things can I tell you about?

18:31Wyatt Russell:Let's have a think. Sometimes better than some decades old TV show that you've decided to re-watch. And by the way, I think more anger is provoked by you admitting that you're watching age old TV shows than by me going on about spoilers sometimes.

18:43Kurt Russell:I mean, you watching Broadchurch has created... Apparently people have even been coming up to Boyd and saying to him, I can't believe James has only just discovered Broadchurch. I know, we said this. Did we not mention this on the last podcast? That people are aghast. Yeah. I mean, it is a bit silly, isn't it? A ghost infuriated. Anyway, I'm having the best old time. I'm now halfway through series three of Broadchurch. I will say, I think the third series so far doesn't feel quite of a piece with one and two. I agree, as I would a few years ago. It maybe feels like I'm not as engaged with it as I have been in the previous two series, but I'm still really enjoying all the characters.

19:17Kurt Russell:It's so funny that you're having this Broadchurch binge. It's great. I'm loving it. I'm loving it. You're all loving it. Everyone else is at Paul. James, late to the party diet. Yeah, look, I'm having fun with that. And then when I'm not watching that, I am currently on, I want to say, the end of season five of Star Trek Voyager while I'm playing that game. Because I've just completed the section which would be Dark Frontier, which is mid-season five. So we've met the bald queen. It's very exciting. The single-player game that you've talked about. Yeah, that's right. The survival sim. Star Trek Voyager across the universe.

19:48No, across the unknown. Across the universe is the song, sorry. Yeah, that's the Beatles. Yes. You may have heard of them. You may have heard of them. Although I prefer the cover by Fiona Apple. Anyway, other things I have watched. Other things I have watched. Paradise is a show that I said to myself I was not going to watch the press screens for because they basically made all except the finale available and that is maddening to me. So I was like, no, I'm just going to watch it week by week. And then I watched episode four as it dropped and immediately then binged all the press screens because I just couldn't stop watching it.

20:21because it takes a fucking turn. It takes a turn. Spoilers.

20:25Kurt Russell:Is this what I would call a starting again show? I mean, the reason why you would especially hate it, Steph, is we get to see the end of the world from multiple different people's perspective across multiple episodes. So they start again, and then they start again, and then they start again. So it is the anti-Steph show. But is it Sterling K Moss? Sterling K Moss. Sterling K Brown. Sterling K. What? What about Sterling K Moss?

20:50Wyatt Russell:The specialist Moss, Sterling K. Brown. Sorry, Sterling Moss was a racing driver in like the 50s or something.

20:56Kurt Russell:Do you know, it's because we were talking about someone with that surname and I was really excited about it. I was confused with Sterling K. and Smith Moss. Oh my God, what is happening? Yes, it's all the bums, isn't it? They've gone to your brain. I don't know what's happening. Sterling K. Brown, I love him. Is he one of the names? He's wonderful, yes. He's the lead and he's fantastic in it. But yeah, there's a lot going on this season and it's, yeah. So what episode was that again? Four. This was four, which is aired as we go out now. And I have now watched all the way up to seven, but I haven't seen it.

21:24Kurt Russell:So it's people starting again and again and again in multiple... But it's great. And I'm loving it. Having a really good time with Paradise. Sounds dreadful. Have you watched any of it?

21:35Wyatt Russell:Only the two. I made my slightly negative reaction to it. Remember, Boyd, he came for Shailene Woodley. Which I've had people agreeing with me about. Really? Have you known? Have you known? But I do really want to carry on watching it. I really like the show. The fact that it's back with, that sounds like I will be on board with. Yes, like there's a lot more in bunker action going on. That's what I want.

21:57Kurt Russell:Okay, well, you just let me know when they're starting again, the finishes and they've started, and then, okay. I will let you know. And the last thing is something that I have not been watching, but I wanted to ask if either of you had watched, which is Louis Theroux's Into the Manosphere documentary. Oh, I saw that. I really want to watch, though I worry will upset me.

22:16Wyatt Russell:I haven't had time to watch it yet, but yeah. it doesn't look that's on my list yeah but I really want to see that and I think he's talked about how he thinks it's the most important documentary he's done which obviously you would do if you're doing publicity for a new documentary but nevertheless it's a subject I think that's quite important

22:29Kurt Russell:is it about a male mental health or is it about toxic masculinity it's about the manosphere the manosphere that's what I've got right okay

22:38Wyatt Russell:I believe maybe we should cover it on the point maybe we should do a pilot plus type thing and it is feature length but maybe we should do something on that because I would I'd like to watch it. And if I have to watch things, I'd quite like to do it. I mean, if we review it, then you're pretty much in agreeance that it's not a film. Oh, and finally. It's a feature-length TV event. Great.

22:59Kurt Russell:Okay, we definitely should do that.

23:00Wyatt Russell:We've sorted that out.

23:02Kurt Russell:That's over now, okay? We've never come back to that. Never again. Okay, let's move on, shall we, to a listener question. This week's listener question comes from Marcus. And Marcus says, Dear Pilot, as a long-term listener to both Pilot and the other movie-related podcast, I have a question for you all. And it relates to TV show theme tunes. There are many composers who operate in the movie sphere, Mrs. Williams, Shaw and Zimmer, to name but a few. But what about TV? Who are the greatest TV theme composers? So I propose a Mount Rushmore with the following rules. One, composer must have at least two iconic theme tunes.

23:40So it might rule out Doctor Who and Star Trek, and even Mission Impossible themes, but there you go. Two, composer must have at least five other well-known TV show themes under their belt. So if something they wrote was used in a little-seen Bosnian psychodrama, that doesn't count. Three, it doesn't have to be just UK or US shows. If they've done work in Europe or the Far East, that is globally respected and heard of, then it is good. As Mount Rushmore has four faces, but you are but three, I'm going to start the... No, you don't get to start it. Sorry, Marcus. But anyway, Marcus was suggesting Barry Gray, who themes Stingray, Thunderbirds, UFO, Space 1999, Joe 90, Captain Scarlet, and Fireball XL5, to name but a few.

24:20So who else joins him? I'm immediately, I hate to say this, removing Barry Gray from our Mount Rushmore, because it is our Mount Rushmore. So the way this can do, Boyd will know from the Empire podcast, each of us get one choice, one pick to add to Mount Rushmore, and then we have to agree on the fourth. That's how this is going to work.

24:38Kurt Russell:One pick each, then we will agree on a fourth. Delighted as I am about this dissertation question. Right, okay. So I was doing some Googling. Oh, God, I don't think I'm going to get in the criteria. I was doing some Googling. Hard research. It's good. I know, because, okay, so I do want to just quickly mention that John Addison did Murder, She Wrote theme tune, which is a truly iconic theme tune. Okay, so Mike Post. Do you know what Mike Post is responsible for?

25:07Wyatt Russell:Tell me. In the NYPD Blue?

25:10Kurt Russell:Well, A-Team, perhaps one of the greatest theme tunes of all time. Rockford Files, Hill Street Blues, Law and Order, and Magnum P.I. Hill Street Blues, that's what I was thinking of, yeah. Magnum P.I., guys. Can you think that one person could have Magnum P.I. and the A-Team theme tunes under their belt? That is insane. That's pretty good work. That is pretty good work. Okay, and that is your choice? That's my choice. That is Steph's... You are carving Mike Post's name... Mike. ...into the mountain. Yes. Done. Chipping away. Okay, Steph's choice. Boydie, what is your choice?

25:50Wyatt Russell:I'm going to go for... I've got two possibilities here. Which one shall I go for? I'm going to go for Nicholas Brattel. Oh, okay, interesting. Who did Succession, one of the greatest theme tunes of all time. And crucially, also, worked on Andor. I'm about to get to it. Sorry, sorry, carry on. He won't even give you the time, will he? I was building up Succession, one of the greatest theme tunes of all time, The Underground Railroad, which I checked as also really good, a show called Ziwe, which I don't even know what it is. Right. Winning Time, The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty, fantastic, in 2022, and Andor, as you so rightly say.

26:29Wyatt Russell:So there you go, Bratel.

26:30Kurt Russell:Okay. I'm surprised because I wondered whether you were going to stump for Christabel Tapia de Vere. who obviously did The White Lotus. But crucially, I always think, I love his Utopia score, as you know. But no? I don't think there were enough others.

26:45Wyatt Russell:You're right. Because the fucking criterion is so difficult. Five shows. I'll give you my other, I did have another option. Okay, who was your other option? I thought the other option was one you would have, you see, which is why I've steered away from it, which is Ramin Djawadi. Yes. Because who did Westworld. Yes. I would say my two favourite theme tunes of the last decade or whatever are Westworld and Succession. Westworld music is amazing. Westworld music is nice.

27:12Kurt Russell:Remind me of the Westworld music. Give me a little hum. It's hard actually. Does it require a concert orchestra? It does. It requires an orchestra. And luckily we have one here. If you just like to know, no, we don't have one here. And of course you do Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones. It's Fallout, House of Dragons, three-body problem, Jack Ryan, if you like. I'm going to say that I also think the criteria should have been that it's hummable. that's quite specific yeah but you know like the ones on mine are quite humbable anyway so carry on I'm not going to hum them but I'm just saying that's also a good criteria

27:40Wyatt Russell:and if you're going British there's David Arnold David Arnold has done did Little Britain let's not forget he did Sherlock which again so Sherlock's one of the other greatest absolutely iconic Sherlock I definitely agree with Good Omens he did Dracula the brilliant version of Dracula he works with Stephen Moffat a lot all these things he does a lot brilliant is a generous descriptor for that particular one the first two episodes were very good oh no I meant his music oh right I thought you were talking about the show no no no the show you're absolutely right the show famously one is genius two is pretty good and then the third one is what the fuck yeah absolutely oh my god you two get a room

28:20Kurt Russell:Jesus the third one was what the fuck

28:24Wyatt Russell:and Murray Gold I want to mention Murray Gold who's had an association with Russell T. Davis so he wrote the music to Queer as Folk and he's pretty much worked on almost every Russell T. Davis his show since then, including reworking Doctor Who theme tune and doing all the soundtrack work for Doctor Who in its reincarnated form. And he's an absolute legend. He does brilliant stuff. So there are my... Okay, so Nicholas Bratel is your choice. You are carving him into the mountains.

28:50Kurt Russell:You're getting an A-plus for this homework, by the way, because it's very good. I struggled. I struggled to whittle this down because initially my brain went to things like Star Trek composers or Mark Snow for The X-Files. If we're talking truly, iconic. But again, in terms of volume, I don't think that's there. My beloved WG Snuffy Walden was one that I kind of felt for the West Wing obviously. But yes, things like that. He did Nashville. He did, I mean Under the Dome Studio 60, Felicity, My So-Called Life, Roseanne back in the day as well. He also did Friday Night Lights, but I think he gets disqualified on that because I think Explosions in the Sky does have most of the credit for the Friday Night Lights music.

29:25So I'm taking that away from Snuffy. Sorry, Snuffy. I've interviewed Snuffy before. He wouldn't mind. Who else was I thinking? Daniel Pemberton. Snow horses even Peep Show you know whatever you like I did come very close to picking Ramin Djawadi because he's amazing I've interviewed him as well but and you know because so many of the shows but in the end there could only be one choice for me and it was not him and it is Bear McCreary so Bear McCreary primarily for Battlestar Galactica which is my all time favourite TV soundtrack not the main theme necessarily but all of the score all the way through it I think he's wonderful for that but also he did Outlander he did Foundation as well let's we forget he'd Lord of the Rings the Rings of the Lord

30:09Wyatt Russell:the Walking Dead and my beloved sea so you see why Bear McCreary has basically done everything that I love so it could only be Bear for me so I'm chiseling Bear McCreary's face into the mountain if we're going to do a group one I would nominate Ramin Djawadi but obviously we would need to vote yeah remind me again

30:30Kurt Russell:remind me again Ramin Djawadi Game of Thrones Game of Thrones most famous for Westworld Fallout House of Dragons free body problem done I mean you just had to say Game of Thrones to me yeah Ramin Djawadi

30:39Wyatt Russell:yeah interestingly I actually actively disliked Bear McCreary's soundtrack to Lord of the Rings Dreams of the Lord

30:45Kurt Russell:you were just like

30:46Wyatt Russell:he's no Howard Shaw I just thought it was completely exactly what is actively

30:50Kurt Russell:disliking a soundtrack I just thought it was

30:51Wyatt Russell:over the top and overbearing and annoying I remember coming out of the screening do you remember the screening they were supposed to screen two episodes of it yes I do season one and for technical reasons it broke and I remember and I just ended up someone asked me what do you think I said I think it's fine I thought but the music was awful and people were like what? it's Bear McCreary they were absolutely furious with me I was like I didn't like it Boyd was all knives out great name though

31:13Kurt Russell:as well yeah they only screened one episode and I remember Boyd was over the moon but they weren't going to show the second one yeah I'd impressed anyway he's a very hard man well Marcus I hope that that has fulfilled your desire to see a Mount Rushmore of TV composers if you would like your question answered on this particular podcast, do send your queries, questions and feedback in to pilottv at empiremagazine.com. If they are interesting group discussions that we think will work well for the main podcast, then they will fall on here. And if there are all sorts of other things, feedback, other questions, we deal with those on Pilot Plus each week.

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31:56Kurt Russell:I tell you what, you can't buy anything for that now because I went into, a well-known coffee shop chain and I was like buying a hot chocolate I was like I'm so sorry how much was that? it's just ridiculous the prices in there so yeah you can that's inflation for you it's a bargain is what we're saying and for that should we say what we get what you get for that? you get this particular podcast I think it's like 17 hours early that's very precise you get this particular main podcast without any ads at all you get spoiler special podcasts and you get a second weekly show every Thursday honestly it's not the gift that keeps on giving so basically what we're saying is if you love anyone in your life then you should buy Pilot Plus subscription for them definitely definitely okay good right brilliant wonderful should we have this week's guests please god guess what it's only the Russells Kurt and Wyatt Kurt Russell and Wyatt Russell who both play Lee Shaw in Monarch Legacy of Monsters on Apple and season 2 of Monarch even though we all thought Kurt Russell died in season 1 turns out he didn't Season two is back on Apple Now.

33:00You can watch it now. And both Kurt and Wyatt came into this very studio and did an interview. Although, except it wasn't actually the studio. It was the one next door. But you get the point. They came into this building. Well, no. It was going to be me. I, unfortunately, was called away, but it was okay. It was okay because pilot TV mega fan, pilot TV obsessive Chris Hewitt stepped into the breach because he was like, the option to be on a better podcast, The opportunity to upgrade and appear on Pilot was just, I mean, it was more than he could resist. So he jumped at the opportunity to be given the privilege of being on the Pilot TV podcast, and he interviewed Kurt and Wyatt Russell in the studio yesterday.

33:41Fantastic.

33:42Kurt Russell:Wow. This is what happened. Kurt Russell, Wyatt Russell, welcome to the Pilot TV podcast. How are you guys? Good, good. How are you? Yeah, I'm not too bad, not too bad. We had some tech issues a little second ago. I had to run out the room and grab someone because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I'll be completely honest with you.

33:59Wyatt Russell:And to share this, because I thought this was a beautiful moment, to share this with our listeners, Kurt, you yelled, tech support. Well, I saw you walking with him. Tech support, yeah. I've always remembered that with Tom Cruise. Yeah. The middle of the sky. Tech support. Which is a quote from your own film. Yeah, well, not mine. Not funny, but it isn't. it's not your line but it's a quote from your own film which made me think do you guys quote your own films every once oh yeah every once in a while there's a couple lines in used cars that I'll definitely quote of well one the one I love one it's not really a quote but it's just a scene where look out Marshall Lucky he turns around and shoots him and he goes $24 ,000 that's too fucking high he blows the car up they're our favorite actors of mine that I've worked with that did line readings that I'll repeat only to myself.

34:58Nobody even hears me. One of my favorite ones was Donald Moffat in The Thing. Oh my God. And he goes, it's gone, MacReady. It's gone. Another one. Something just falls apart. Another one. Whenever someone's sick or they're feeling better, they're like they're kind of come out of their room for the first time in three days and just come out. I was almost going to say it because I've been sick. I was almost going to say it on a show and I did. And you just go, I'm all better. I'm all better.

35:34Will Brimley. Yeah. My favorite D 'Aldol Muffet line reading from The Thing is when he is tied to the couch. I'd rather not spend the rest of this winter tied to this fucking couch. It's amazing. Do you get a sense? Do you know when you've nailed a delivery, a line reading? I don't know if you're a question. That people will be quoting you. That's a really interesting question. What I fascinate, I've only surprised myself a couple of times. Okay. When I did, they became lines that became people repeat. Right. Such ones? I'm trying to remember one. In Miracle, it was the way the line's written, the way it was written out, in the speech that he gives before they go out.

36:20Yeah. play the game is blah blah blah blah blah this is your time you know this is your time and i did what i kind of did i said i looked around the room i said this is your time and that's played in every arena the other one was uh the other one that i remember it was literally just happened to me we were late at night shooting this was on tombstone and i've just uh just shot one of these guys my one of my brothers is leaving in a train yeah you uh run you kerr i say you know i'm screaming at this guy is he run you cur tell him i'm you tell him i'm coming and i suddenly went you know this is this one thing to tell him you're coming it's another thing to put it all on yourself and who you are and what you what you have become in that moment you tell him i'm coming that's a whole nother fucking kettle of fish and i get that one all the time you tell him i'm coming and hell's coming with me.

37:15You hear me? Hell's coming with me. I've seen them actually. I've seen that used very many times. But those, I mean, do you have any of those that you kind of like hear all the time? There are some dud lines that like super fans enjoy. From Lodge 49. Lodge 49. That was a very incredibly well-written show, obviously. Do you get people to come up with Jim Gavin? Hi Jim Do you get people saying lines you have forgotten that you said? Oh You're like that sounds like a good line What's that from? I usually just kind of try and keep walking when that kind of thing starts to happen Hey Oh yeah What was that from?

38:07I do a good job of letting things go and wondering about the others But no, not really. I can't. God, I can't. I'm horrible at remembering. Yeah. Like when something happens for me, it's like it's over. And then I don't think about it anymore. I don't listen for it anymore. I don't hear about it anymore. Like I live in kind of the middle of nowhere now with my family. Like I'm out. And so when I come back in, it's always like a reentry. it's like I've been watching Severance lately I really felt that when I do this I'm like you know this is like my innie and then when I go home and I enter this building it's like and then I'm my outie again and I don't remember anything that just happened my work life and my own life I do a very good job of making myself forget that's wild does that come from growing up in a household with famous parents in a way Yeah, they didn't bring it home at all.

39:14It was not dinner table, nothing. It was like they went to work, and then they came home, and it was like having a parent that would go to work and come home. Dinner table conversation in sports. Yeah. What was going on in your life? Yeah, right. It was all about what was going on in our lives, which is what I hopefully give to our kids. it's like that's what they're doing is what I'm interested in. It's more interesting than what I'm doing in my opinion. It's much more fun. It's much less predictable. And much more chaotic. It's funny but that's true when I think about it now. That's all you do as a parent.

39:53Yeah. I'm 27. Think about when you're a parent there's not even a thought in your head about let me tell you what I did today. No. The second you try and say you know what happened today? It's like, who cares? Who cares? It's so not important. For a seven-year-old kid, well, yeah. Gee, what happened to you today? Yeah. I've never seen that. I've never seen that. That's maybe a good idea for a show. Yeah. A kid that is so into your life. Yeah. You must be infested, right, to a degree in what your parents do and what you're – I know. To be honest, I don't remember doing that as a kid. Hi, Dad. You don't get to believe what happened to me.

40:38I'm very proud. We've done a good job with Bud. He's my oldest. And every once in a while, he'll just be like, hey, Dad, how was your day? Because that's something that we, you know, when someone asks how your day was, you tell them and then you ask how their day was. But I don't think he really actually cares. He made the effort to check that box. Which is a good box to check. I can ask for toys I get about two words into my answer He's gone on He's got out of the room Grabbed a box of chocolate covered pretzels and wants to go in the backyard and skate on the ice drink How old is bud? Five So is he kind of the sweet spot in a way for Marvel and Avengers?

41:23No he doesn't care about that stuff He's not into it He's into Harry Potter Big time Loves that magical world he loves the music, he loves the score he loves listening to Harry Potter on the way to go to stuff, in the car he's really into that he's not into monster things, I even talked to him about it because I was brought up the other day, I was like, hey bud, do you like the monster stuff? And he was like, nah not really

41:54there's a great show coming out in Apple which might change your mind I'll never forget, we were watching Minions and I was in the bed with him and I was like I realized that I had Apple TV in this place that we were staying and so I just was like let's see what happens I switched it over and it's a Captain America Winter Soldier and I was like he's watching it and he's like Minions and I'm like just see what happens and I come on screen and he's like watching it and watching it doesn't say anything i'm like who's that and he's like dad he's like dad are you and i'm like uh-huh and he's like minions

42:41clear as day let's go back to minions like hey give it a shot about anything like that's the way it should be i'm like great it was almost a test to be like if he was like yeah it would have been like oh god that's worried like that would be worrisome. He doesn't care at all. That's amazing. So going back then to whenever you were five, and Kurt, you would have been making things like, I'm guessing, Backdraft and Tango and Cash around that time. He was born in 86, so yeah. Yeah, Backdraft. Kurt comes home with his firefighter's costume on. Still coughing from the smoke inhalation, and you're like, yeah, whatever.

43:18Well, I remember going to set on Backdraft, I got the same haircut. I got that flat top. Yeah, you had the haircut, and I got it for the show, so we took a great picture. Yeah, it was a good photo. We were very proud about it. But I don't really remember much about that movie being on set or anything. See, that was 90. You were like four years old. I was a little older because I remember playing stickball. So Denny, who's here, we were playing stickball by the trailers. That's what I remember about the movies. It was like the stickball. We'd set up a goal net outside the trailer, and I'd play a goal, and Denny and Jimmy Petty would shoot on me.

44:00That was the fun around the set. It wasn't like going on to set was always like, okay, whatever. Same thing. It's passed on from generation to generation. So if you'd said at that point that, because acting was never really on the agenda, I'm guessing, for you, Wyatt, at that point, that one day you'd be in the same show, playing the same character. No, that was definitely not on the car. That's a hell of a thing. When did they come up, the idea? And who did they approach first? Did they approach you both, or was it a pincer movement, getting one? We got one, the other canceled now. Years ago, I had been with an agency, and an agent moved out of that agency, and they went on to create a new thing, which I wasn't really interested in doing.

44:41And so I was about a year and a half looking around for an agent. Wyatt finally said to me, you should meet with Darren, who was his agent. And eventually I did. And so I joined on. I just was interesting situation being at the same agency as Wyatt. I wanted to make sure that all things were kept separate and you didn't have to worry about me that way or he didn't have to worry about anything. And Darren's great. There was none of that. So it went to Darren. And Darren approached both of us. And so they have this idea for you guys to play the same character in this Godzilla show. And we were both like, really?

45:23They should just listen and hear them out. They have a good idea. They want to focus more on the humans. So when we had the meeting, it was like, oh, that is a good idea. It's unique. It's very unique. And it could be really cool and interesting and bring a lot to the story and more to the monsters than the monsters bring to you. That's what you worry about a little bit. I've done all kinds of weird things and he's done all kinds of weird things that don't necessarily lead you to Godzilla. Like playing a Mormon baby killer on Heaven. Doesn't scream Kong co-star. So I was hesitant but then as the idea was as unique as it ended up being.

46:11We said, well, if it can be as good as it is unique, then it would be a very cool thing to do. We've been approached to do father and son things before. Approached by approached, I mean, hey guys, take a look at this. Some of them were okay, but it was like, Wyatt has had his own career for 17 years. He's established. He's starring in movies and doing his thing. And I've been doing it for a long time. So it's like, we're known actors now. So, okay, we can look at things. We don't have to worry about the idea that we're only doing this because we're father and son. We're separate entities. Same as Goldie and I said that early on and Kate and Oliver.

46:54Meredith, we do our own worlds, right? So that one, when it came, it was like, okay. But the idea of playing the same person was immediately kind of interesting. That we had not been approached with before. And when we were cast, when we all agreed and deals were made, it was like, okay, this is actually going to change things a lot.

47:18Kurt Russell:Yeah. And that was a lot of a hurdle to get over. Not a little bit, a lot. And understandably so. It was not on the table before that. It wasn't on their minds. So it took some work. And figuring out where this character works best for the show and how it works best for the show. And this idea of going back from one era to the back to the future in the now era, 2015 in this case. Yeah. It was, we could really take advantage of what we could do. But you weren't playing father and son. You're playing the same person. So the approach had to be taken that way. And because you're the elderly, does that mean you take your cue in terms of characters' characteristics from Wyatt?

48:07Yeah, exactly. And I learned that real quick the first day I went on his set, because we have separate sets. Went on his set and watched. I was enjoying, for 45 minutes or so, I was just enjoying Wyatt. And I was enjoying watching him do things similarly. It's like he was asking the questions of the director or working with the other actors. Very, very much the way I would have. But then I was watching the different takes and watching what he was doing, how changes he was making. And I stopped watching him, and I really started saying, oh, that's right. That actor and I are playing the same person.

48:40I need to get educated here. And I need to stop having a good time, swigging a beer and just going, this is great. This is great. Wyatt, this is going to be great. And I said, no, it kicked me into gear. I was like, no, this is not father and son. You're playing that guy. what's he doing? And it was informational and great. Wyatt, with that in mind, you could have sabotaged Kurt. You could have... Yeah, he's like a backflip guy. Every time he does something good, he does a backflip. What? He speaks through Welsh accents every now and again. I'm doing the whole thing with a Filipino accent. The whole thing with the crossed eyes.

49:21I didn't blend on that. Yeah, I'm like, okay. Yeah, he's an opera singer. He sings opera now and again. I thought that was in fur.

49:32And you'd be like, no, he got rid of all that years and years ago. But was it a one and done in your minds for you? Because season one makes you both in interesting places. It was not told to us that we were going to do more than one season for sure. It was like the hope is always that you do another season obviously they weren't just gonna they weren't planning on doing they weren't hoping on planning on doing one in that beginning but like every show that I've ever done it's like you might only get one season so do the best you can and then again like when it was over it was like I don't know it comes out and people decide if they like it and watch it and if Apple wants to make another one but it was not something that we were talking about season two and what was gonna happen and it was just about that season and it didn't end that way really We distinctly didn't think about a season two.

50:28I mean, the way that season finished on paper was his young Lee says to her, she says, they get into a row early on when they first meet. And he tells you, Lee, you can leave now. And he turns around and says, I'm out of here. She says, aren't you supposed to salute when your mission is complete? Being wise-ass. and he just keeps on going. He turns around. I know he turns around and says, when my mission's complete, I will. Now we get to the end. And I said to the director, oh, I want to do this thing at the end here where when the pod goes up, I'm back. You see me get up. The wind's blowing because the pod took off.

51:08And I look at it and she's looking at me through the window as the pod's going up. But I want to salute her. My mission's finished. And then I see Godzilla. That was the end. You see Godzilla there. He just looks at me and moves on. And I'm down there now. That was the end of it. And they didn't do any of that. They just had me say, well, I did that too, where I pried my hands and I said, and I just ad-libbed thank you for everything. And that was the end of him. He was gone. And then you follow them up. And then you get into when they arrive up there. So it was the end of a show. That was it.

51:46The end of the season. That was it for him. and then you heard that Godzilla and Kong had signed on for another season and you were like, we're in. We were excited about Kong. Godzilla was always an issue. Oh, God. Really? It was something new. Kong's pretty cool. And Titan X, which is the new monster that they introduced. That was exciting, but also a little nerve-wracking because Kong and Godzilla are like Pantheon on the Mount Rushmore of Zillow's. They're the size of our Nosferverse. And this is a new one that you're bringing in, and it's like, well, people like it. Is it going to look cool?

52:27You don't know. You have no idea. They're just like, there's this tight-necked monster, and you're like, okay, what does it do? And you're reacting to it, and then I went into a meeting, and I saw a picture of it, a rendering. And I was like, oh, it's going to be awesome. It's going to be cool. People are going to love it. And I didn't. I looked at it, and I went, talk about a diva I was like I don't know when this gets into action we're laying heavy on this but boy I'll tell you what they are fantastic at what they do they really are each episode when you look at this show 10 episodes it's 10 movies when you see it on the big screen it's a movie it's epic in size

53:13Wyatt Russell:it's a hell of a thing and we can't say too much about what lies in store for you guys in season two of this show but you know are you hoping at some point that maybe can both can both lead it's sci-fi occupy the same space time bending there's yeah I mean it is it is interesting what we did yeah you know keep your eyes on seven and ten it was something that we wanted to do the first year we actually shot something the two of us in a situation I'll just put it that way And it was, they called us and said, we can't put this in there. Why? And they said, it just changes the arc of the whole show.

53:53It just, you suddenly just want to walk, what do we, you know, what is this now? And they said, yeah, understandable. But if there's any chance that we do end up doing a second season, that was, that's my number one call for it. That's the thing you hate for it. And we held true to that. And we did some really, we did an interesting thing this year. One of the things that this show has that now everybody has talked to us about is in the second year. There's a hell of a group of actors. They're really good. I mean, they're just all really good. And everything fits in that regard. So that's stronger this year, too.

54:31Amazing. Guys, on that note, I'm going to let you go. It's been an absolute pleasure. Wyatt, Kurt, thanks so much indeed. Thank you. Cheers, guys. Talk to you again. Tech support! That was Kurt and Wyatt Russell versus Chris Hewitt and time now for this week's news. What do you chaps have for me?

54:47Kurt Russell:I know what you're going to say but I'm going to just say it anyway. Okay, so... What do you mean? It's quite a rambling introduction to you. It's almost like you're playing for time. Well, okay, right. So, Game of Thrones film, Game of Thrones being a TV show, film, okay, a script already written... First word, sounds like... What is this? A script has already been written by the boss of Netflix hit, Thriller. See, I'm using... Are you reading a Google Translate of the story? Wait, wait, wait.

55:18Wyatt Russell:Is this an AI step?

55:20Kurt Russell:I'm just trying to get this new story through because I know it's about a film, but I really want to say it. I think we need the Boyd bot, like, ultimately at this point. Right, so... It's a film. There's a Game of Thrones film coming. Yes, but listen, listen. You're going to really like this because Beau Willimon, and or writer, is doing this. Yes, one of the underwriters. And the House of Cards creator, we should say. Yeah, oh, I love... God, do you know what? I'm going to do a House of Cards rewatch. I mean, it's a bit problematic now, but sure, you go for it. I do love it, though. Mainly just to see how good Kevin Spacey was.

55:50Kurt Russell:He was amazing. I'm joking. He was good. He was good.

55:52Wyatt Russell:No, everyone was good in it.

55:54Kurt Russell:He was. You know, obviously everything awful aside, but he... Yeah, yeah. I mean, not aside, because it matters, but oh, Jesus. Wow, this is going well. I'm enjoying it. Okay. Anyway, that's exciting, and it is TV adjacent.

56:06Wyatt Russell:Yes. You know, there were two big TV to film announcements this week. Okay. Because you're right, there was Game of Thrones, which is big. There's also Ghosts. They announced that they're doing a TV, a film of Ghosts. Oh, was that the door thing? Yeah, yeah, that was the door thing. Hang on, we've had a finale for the show. Yeah, but it wasn't a film finale, was it? No, no, but was the story not wrapped up in the film? It wasn't. I bet so. It's not just stopping them coming back. It's quite an easy way. It's easy plot-wise to bring them back to go. they didn't all the ghosts I was going to say didn't all die of course ironically the living humans didn't all die either so the ghosts were already dead but yeah no there will be a ghost that is the nature of being ghosts there will be really good news but you could sense it's the kind of show that would translate to a good feature length no you're not I don't know

56:55Kurt Russell:I'm really excited you're not that excited no I was just thinking about it I was thinking about why I didn't because everyone's doing the door thing because it was on Instagram, wasn't it? It was on socials with the door being opened. Exciting.

57:09Wyatt Russell:So, yeah, are those stories TV stories or are they film stories? We can debate that. Well, in the same way as we were discussing beforehand that Peaky Blinders, The Immortal Man, is a film. But there is an argument that it is germane to this podcast. We may need to cover it in some capacity. It's definitely germane.

57:28Kurt Russell:We definitely need to cover it. Oh, you're on fire today. You're really tickling me. it was all the bum chat at the top of the show wasn't it it's made of everyone giddy giddy on the bums right so I'm also going to say that Robbie Louis Robbie Robbie maybe his friends called him Robbie Robert Louis Stevenson Robbie Louis Robbie Louis Stevenson famous Robbie Williams

57:52Wyatt Russell:did perform at the Brits as well by the way which I didn't mention in the Aussie Osborne tribute yeah which was great but Robbie Louis Stevenson the author of Treasure Island

58:00Kurt Russell:okay so there's going to be a star-studded remake of Treasure Island, it's going to have... Oh, hold on. Oh yeah, Hayley Atwell's going to be in it. She's going to be Bess Hawkins. That's great. Boardwalk Empire's Jack Houston as Aaron Graham. Oh, there's lots of good people in it. That's exciting.

58:18Wyatt Russell:I love the way you're reading this.

58:19Kurt Russell:I know, because I can't remember everyone's names because, you know, my age.

58:23Wyatt Russell:What's interesting is MGM Plus are clearly obsessed with this kind of like old IP. They did Robin Hood, didn't they, recently? They did something else. I can't remember they've really gone for like yeah old ancient things and kind of reviving ancient ancient novels where they're trying to get

58:41Kurt Russell:a new generation of fans oh no no yeah I mean yeah

58:43Wyatt Russell:I'm open minded about it but and I think they recommissioned Robin Hood in fact as well in fact that was a new story did we cover that last week

58:49Kurt Russell:I believe I gave you that new story last week where I revealed that

58:52Wyatt Russell:you were our MGM plus correspondent where I revealed that

58:54Kurt Russell:I also liked the Robin Hood which is the animated one with the fox in if you remember

58:59Wyatt Russell:you did yeah Did you two see the God of War picture? And did we talk about it on last week's show? Because I can't remember. There was a still, the first still from the God of War TV show. No, we didn't.

59:11Kurt Russell:You talked about someone being cast for God of War. I think that was Ed Skrein. No, you didn't. You talked about the casting, but you didn't. Yes, Ed Skrein as Balder. Yeah, because I said he looked nice. But you didn't, yeah, you didn't say. You were imagining his bum, weren't you? I was, you know, I'm all about the bums. All about the bums. No, so there's the first picture of Ryan Hurst as Kratos, and the internet reaction has been, shall we say, somewhat negative. Oh, why? I want to look at it now. I don't, you know, it's hard to say. I don't know whether it's because he doesn't look like the Kratos they are familiar with, which is fair because, you know, he's an actual human.

59:45But also, I guess the picture, it looks a bit goofy. Like, someone did make a point of saying, he literally looks like he's taking a shit in the woods. and I was just like okay

59:55Wyatt Russell:which was in the opening scene of that Game of Thrones

59:59Kurt Russell:Night of the Seven Kingdoms yes he wasn't technically

1:00:03Wyatt Russell:in the woods but he was beside a tree I mean I think technically he was one tree does not make a wood

1:00:07Kurt Russell:it was a tree it was a tree upon a hill and in the background in the background there was a wooded area anyway

1:00:13Wyatt Russell:I did just hit the mic with my I made the mic with my headphones we'll keep it in Boydie just headbutted the microphone I genuinely don't know what people have been putting in Boydie Champagne this morning, but something's gone awry.

1:00:25Kurt Russell:Can I... It looks like he's giving the little boy an archery lesson. Yes. Is it supposed to look like that? Well, I mean, broadly speaking, I think what's happening, I suspect he is teaching Atreus to hunt. Right. Well, I think he's done very well with his body makeup, and I think he looks fine. God of War fan Steph Sealand has weighed in on the God of War picture. Yeah, I mean, what's the whole... What's the premise of God of War? Is it? Oh, God. Are you sure? Quickly, quickly. He is, basically, it was rooted in Greek mythology originally, but this is the kind of reboot series which started on the PS4, and it is rooted in Norse mythology, and he is an old, retired Greek god of war, now hanging out in Norse myth, and there are Norse gods, and his wife has just died.

1:01:14So, basically, the plot of this, fundamentally, is his wife has died, and he needs to bury her. That is basically the plot.

1:01:20Kurt Russell:That actually sounds good. I'm not even being sarcastic. That actually sounds like something I'd enjoy. Yeah. Okay. But all sorts of shit happens and the gods come along and Baldur becomes a bellend. Who's the little fella? That's Atreus. That's his son, Atreus. He's a dad on the stricter side, let's say. He mainly calls his son boy, boy. A harsh dad. Yeah, he's a harsh dad. I don't think he looks like a nice dad who's teaching his child some new skills in the woodland.

1:01:45Wyatt Russell:It's probably hard to express the harshness in a still photograph.

1:01:48Kurt Russell:Well, he could be shouting at him, couldn't he? So actually, you know. He's stringing him up. A little bit like that. Imagine David Morrissey in one of the shows that we're going to be reviewing very shortly. He's that kind of dad. Oh, okay. That's what you need to say. He's a Norse god, David Morrissey. That's exactly that. He's Norse god, David Morrissey. Well, then he's very mean. Yes, he is. Okay. Yes, he is. Right. Okay. Anything else in the world of news? Does anything else happen, Boydie?

1:02:17Wyatt Russell:Well, I mentioned the industry thing. They confirmed the industry fifth and final season, and they were talking about, the creators were talking about how, you know, what an honor it was to do an HBO show. It's an HBO BBC co-production. I think HBO these days puts most of the money in and how they got to succession level. So I think it deserves to be talked about in those terms as five seasons of an absolutely brilliant show. I also think, here's a guest listeners, people who do watch Industry. I wonder if you agree with me. I have no evidence or inside knowledge of this thing. Okay. But they've deployed a guy called Sebastian Stefanowicz, a new character this season, who's been seeing glimpses of him two or three times, and he's a Reform MP.

1:02:57Wyatt Russell:And he's played by Edward Holcroft, who was in London Spy. Have you ever seen London Spy with Ben Whishaw? He was great in that, and he's been in stuff on and off.

1:03:05Kurt Russell:I think I probably have, because I generally try and do, try and watch everything Ben Whishaw's in. Okay, yeah.

1:03:11Wyatt Russell:London Spy was written by my neighbour, Tom Rob Smith, who lives two floors above me. Does he? Oh, so sorry. Anyway, I think Edward Holcroft is going to be, his character is going to be featured heavily in the fifth and final season. I think they're kind of establishing him in a small way in this series. I think then he'll be much more important in the next season. That's my guess.

1:03:31Kurt Russell:That's your guess. You have no evidence whatsoever. It's just from the Boyd mind.

1:03:36Wyatt Russell:Literally from my mind, exactly. Okay. Yes. Great. I'm going to call a close on news partly because we are on a tight schedule this week. Oh, please God, yeah. So let's move on to this week's reviews. And first up this week, we have Rooster on Sky Comedy. This is Bill Lawrence's latest show, and it sees Steve Carell as an author who ends up at Ludlow College, the workplace of his daughter, played by Charlie Clive, who is currently going through a very public, very messy breakup with Jamie Tartt, a.k.a. Phil Dunster. And if you wondered where you could find John C. McGinley after he stepped back from the Scrubs revival, then it turns out this is actually the answer.

1:04:14Boydie, are you going to crow about Rooster?

1:04:20Wyatt Russell:a little bit John C. McGinley by the way you see a lot of John C. McGinley yes you don't see his bum I'm sorry Steph I mean not yet unless you've watched the whole series nips yes buns no nips pretty much full on topless John C. McGinley which is bold for a man you know I'm fully in favour of him he looks great

1:04:41Kurt Russell:he looks great he looks great in sauna he looks absolutely fantastic yes

1:04:45Wyatt Russell:yes this is an interesting one because it is, as you say, it's Bill Lawrence who is the, you know, your current hero for his work on... Shrinking. Shrinking. Ted Lasso, which we love, of course. Hence the Phil Dunst. By the way, this is, I think, who I was thinking of. You know, I was talking about another show where... Vladimir.

1:05:03Kurt Russell:Yeah.

1:05:04Wyatt Russell:Where Leo Woodall was playing an American professor. Why not just make him British? Well, he is just British. Phil Dunst is just British. Yes. And it's absolutely works. It's fine. Brilliant.

1:05:13Kurt Russell:Do you know what I was... Such a relief. It'll be because of the book, Vladimir. It was a relief. and not to cut you off at all but just to that point when I watched this I was like this is exactly what Boyd and I were saying because it enhances it so much but carry on

1:05:28Wyatt Russell:so that was good that was a good decision so this is kind of built around I saw Steve Carell talking in an interview about how this was like the best pilot script he's ever read and stuff so I was like okay interesting I mean it's fine and you're like is it though I was I almost deployed the annoying James is it though So, meme, I think we can call it. But I didn't want to be too annoying. But it's fine. It's good. I liked it. The thing I liked about it was it kind of captured the American so-called liberal arts college life. I was lucky enough to spend a year in an American university, University of Massachusetts Amherst.

1:06:06Wyatt Russell:But they have a thing called the five college system, which means you get to go to classes at different colleges in the area, including Smith College, which is a legendary college, Amherst College, incredible, where Jacob Dillon, Bob Dillon's son, was there at the time. And it was an incredible experience. It is like a really idyllic setting, and I think it captured that. Visually, it's very sunny, and this one is somewhere in California, this fictional college that they all go to.

1:06:33Kurt Russell:Love, love.

1:06:34Wyatt Russell:Right. But the opening scene is of the guy, of Steve Carell's character, who's the best-selling author of quite kind of mainstream books, shall we say, be invited to give a talk to the students. And I literally went to events where authors would give talks to us, the students, back in the day. And they'd be either inspirational or not inspirational. So for me, it was like a nostalgia trip. And this is almost in a world that is, I feel, possibly dying out for political reasons, as I say, in America right now. But thank God, I think they still do exist like this. So the setting is great. I really enjoyed the setting.

1:07:05Wyatt Russell:And it felt very authentic, the way the students behave and the way the professors behave and just the general chatter. but it felt very kind of not particularly plot driven. There is a bit of story going on with an affair, etc. and with Phil Dalton's characters, I'm trying to spoil it, but it felt very kind of light on its feet in a good way, in quite a good way. But I guess this is Bill Lawrence's kind of mode now almost because I think it has that in common with Shrinking a bit. I think I actually said this when we reviewed Shrinking that it's quite a laid back show narratively. It's not like driven by storyline and plot.

1:07:41Wyatt Russell:And this felt like it was actually driven by Steve Carell's character, who is weirdly, obviously, we think of Steve Carell as being a very outgoing, kind of vivacious, you know, he generally plays, even the character from The American Office was overbearing in a way. Whereas in this, he's kind of like, he's slightly wary of interacting with people. He's got kind of like issues about anxieties about just meeting new people and stuff. So he meets this woman who works at the university and he's kind of shy about her, et cetera. so it's an interesting kind of character for him to play but I didn't feel an enormous when I finished I watched two episodes

1:08:15Kurt Russell:I did watch two

1:08:16Wyatt Russell:I watched two and yeah at the end of the first episode the big thing happens and it is quite funny but I think it's quite gentle it's quite as I say it's quite story light in a way or at least it's definitely not melodramatic but I kind of believed it I believed in the characters which is a big step one step but I didn't exactly go to the end of the second episode and think I have to carry on watching this now it was more of a I might find time to watch this at some point I can sense Steph I feel Steph either loved it or I don't know because she's so pro Bill Lawrence you are very pro Lawrence right

1:08:49Kurt Russell:if I didn't know that this was a Bill Lawrence thing I'd still love it I think I really loved it this is the thing that I watched as many we had six available I don't know if you guys had more because you had special privileges but there were six available and I watched all six I for me this is yeah I get what you're saying about his more recent his more recent roles he's played but for me this is kind of a bit of the 40 year old virgin in the college years in terms of his character there's a lot of elements of characters that he's played in the past coming together there is a bit of his character from The Office there's a lot of the he's very much he's divorced he's having to find his feet again I think what Bill Lawrence does so well is he makes every single character interesting it's and they're not overbearing characters which is why it feels comfortable and I think I talked about this last podcast why what and why I don't really like starting again things is because the setting to me is so important and is so much a character and I absolutely agree with you it's beautiful where they are and it really makes you you feel part of the campus.

1:10:03Kurt Russell:I absolutely loved it, and it does get more exciting. And I, not to labour on the point, but Someone's Bottom appears several times. Oh, God. And it is also...

1:10:14Wyatt Russell:God, what a bottom-themed episode. This is extreme.

1:10:16Kurt Russell:Honestly, so we watch, so if you don't subscribe, so you didn't get to listen to Pilot Plus, we reviewed Vladimir, which we universally hated. I didn't hate it. You hated it. Well, you didn't love it, though, did you? No, no, no.

1:10:30Wyatt Russell:University hated is a strong... Yes. It was very much hated by you, Steph. Okay. University hated by Steph Seaman.

1:10:36Kurt Russell:It's terrible. University hated by me. It was awful. But this gets loads of the things that that should have got right. Yeah, this is better. So the fact that he's this sexy British professor and he... Oh, God, he's brilliant. He gets...

1:10:49Wyatt Russell:Phil does get his bum out. He doesn't in episode one or two. Oh, he does.

1:10:53Kurt Russell:Oh, he does. Look at him. Look at him. Glee on your face. Oh, it's so great, though. and the way that the storylines progress if you get all the way to episode 6 is wonderful and it's not I think are you kind of alluding to that you think it's a bit slow or you don't you think it's storyline

1:11:09Wyatt Russell:I wouldn't slow it slows a bit much just I think there's something about it I didn't find it riveting like I found it nice and enjoyable it's kind of that kind of tone did you care about

1:11:20Kurt Russell:I think for me the other thing is like I really cared about I loved Danielle Deweyler's she's great in this

1:11:27Wyatt Russell:Yeah, him snubbing her, I didn't buy that.

1:11:29Kurt Russell:Well, that's why you have to keep watching to find out what happens. You know, the advancing storylines, I feel like he's so good at kind of unravelling each character, you know, very intimate, all their intimate troubles, really slowly and brilliantly, but in a way that still keeps me interested. I just loved everything.

1:11:50Wyatt Russell:Is it just like James just raises an eyebrow in the most extraordinary? Either that's like, she's gone mad, she's lost it, I suppose because you are ascribing to this show a level of depth that I did not witness.

1:12:02Kurt Russell:How many did you watch? Just the first one, which, to be fair, doesn't even cover the setup of the show. Okay, so here's my thing when you talk about depth, and you know it's one of my... You know it's one of my... I get really annoyed when sometimes we watch one show and then we say something and no one likes it and then I've watched loads of it and I tell you, you should watch more because it's really good. And we just ignore you. Yeah, and you just ignore me and then you don't go back and watch The Wall Profits like I told you you should. Anyway, let's just, I'll put that aside. There's, the relationship between Steve Carell's character and his daughter's character is beautiful.

1:12:34Kurt Russell:And it's really... And they are good together and they've got good chemistry. And Charlie Clive is great. She was great in Pure and she was in Lazarus Project as well. This is a story about, there's some great lines in this about their relationship. And later on, his ex-wife comes back into it and I won't give away who she's played by, but that's a great episode. I'm so relieved that John C. McGinley has left the Scrubs reboot, which I wasn't completely satisfied with, to join this because I love his character in this. And he's, it is funny. Maybe it's not bellyache funny, but it's comfort funny.

1:13:09Kurt Russell:And it's, you end up really caring about these people. Certainly I did. James couldn't give a shit about them. I can tell by the look on his face. Do you know what? I think my issues with it are twofold. One, I have a particular hatred for the comedy device of misunderstandings that go awry, you know, and it's like, and then this sort of slightly, almost slapstick, so the event, the event that happens at the end of the first episode is so ludicrous and it's so over the top and it's so, oh my God, this is happening. oh you know it's absolutely farcical and I was like which is ironic because obviously I love Fawlty Towers which is pure farce but didn't like that and also there's a scene in this where there's a classic ha ha ha comedic misunderstanding where he's looking at one thing and then people think he's looking at something else through a hedge and it was just like that's a naked gun joke like what are you doing and I just I found the humour to be at times just a bit I don't want to say basic, but you know what I mean?

1:14:11I wasn't particularly taken by it. Don't get me wrong, I do not think this is a bad show at all. As you said, it's quite comfortable to watch. I found it quite a nice comfort watch. Steve Carell is always a lot of fun. And so, you know, there was good times to be had. But again, I'm not hugely invested in the story. I'm not finding this laugh out loud funny. And I find the sort of humorous track that it was going down just a little bit basic.

1:14:35Wyatt Russell:I know what you mean, yeah. It definitely has moments. of silliness. It does. He's kryptonite. TV comedy silliness. But I think it actually needs, I almost have the opposite criticism. I think it needs more moments like that. Well, you kind of need to either embrace it or not. But it's quite silly. Whereas you're right, maybe if it was very silly, it would work. Or if it was less silly, it would work. For me, it needs more silly moments, more jokes, more funny, more unashamed comedy.

1:15:06Kurt Russell:Right. I think one of Bill Lawrence's great talents is he makes things, he doesn't go over the top, he makes these people believable, his characters are believable, and the incidents in his shows are all believable and you think they could happen. You've seen Scrubs, right? Yeah, I know, but as I said, I don't enjoy this reboot. I don't enjoy this reboot. I think, okay, I'm primarily thinking of shrinking. I don't, I think if it, they made, and lots of more funnier things do happen. If, like me, you're committed and you've watched six episodes. You are the consummate professional. Yeah, but I don't agree with either of you.

1:15:40I just don't think you can say that when you've only watched one episode.

1:15:44Kurt Russell:I'm sorry.

1:15:45Wyatt Russell:I watched two.

1:15:46Kurt Russell:I don't think you can say it if you watch one or two episodes. Well, then, since Boydie and I have both been disqualified from talking about Rooster, we fall to Steph to tell us what it's about. So, yes. Yeah, it's great. I think if you love shrinking, you'll like it. Is it as good as shrinking? No. but it

1:16:05Wyatt Russell:is it better than Vladimir yes to be fair I mean you're talking about I'm talking about you know college it's interesting how many college sets in a way gone is gone is like school set isn't it but professors teaching kids and that whole milieu in wealthy kind of yes

1:16:19Kurt Russell:everything's better than Vladimir like adverts are less than Vladimir wow

1:16:23Wyatt Russell:your hatred of Vladimir I really did not like it you've gone off the deep end you have yeah but at least at least I would say this for this show I've forgotten the name or for it Rooster Rooster Rooster it doesn't open with a shocking scene and then it could have opened with the scene at the end of episode one and then gone ten weeks earlier. You know, it could have done that, but thank fuck it didn't.

1:16:44Kurt Russell:This is like, you know, Steve Carell's wonderful character finding his feet again and it's delightful.

1:16:50Wyatt Russell:Best pint script he's ever read.

1:16:52Kurt Russell:Yeah, and yes, Steve, you're probably right. God. Rooster then. Sky Comedy and Indeed Now on the 9th of March, which is what day, Bonnie? It's Monday.

1:17:04Wyatt Russell:It's today. if you listen to this podcast on the day it comes out. And why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you?

1:17:09Kurt Russell:Surely you get up and you think, right.

1:17:11Wyatt Russell:Oh, you know what? I forgot to say, there's a good doggy in it, isn't there? Because the picture we used in here is a lovely doggy. The dog. The dog is good. So I knew it had some good marks for that.

1:17:18Kurt Russell:And also, Phil Dunst's character exclusively speaks to the dog in Italian and it's so cute. That's good, yeah. So cute. Oh, okay. Bruce, be sure to stick around for the buttock shot which comes in a later episode. Totally worth it. Bum, bum? Who knows? No, no, I promise you. I promise you you're seeing the old house. Most of them can tell. No, no, no, I know I could. No. Next up this week, we have the return of The Capture on BBC One. This is a show that handled deep fakes and digital manipulation before they became ubiquitous, really, in real life. It now returns four years, four years after the second series.

1:17:54Feeling more timely than ever before, I'm saying. This once again sees Holiday Granger as Rachel Carey, who is now, because even though it's four years later, this is set one year after series two she is now running SO15 which is the Counter Terrorism Command Unit and she's spearheading the launch of an all new camera designed to separate real footage from manipulated ones as well as presumably the AI slot videos of cats with machine guns Steph if you are indeed the real Steph give us the lowdown on series three do you watch the capture Steph? Have you seen series one and two?

1:18:26Kurt Russell:So I watched the first series of the capture Yes and then I did for some reason I don't know why I haven't seen the second series which is stupid isn't it it is yeah it's deeply stupid idiotic when did it come out the second series four years ago

1:18:40Wyatt Russell:yeah you just said that four years ago

1:18:42Kurt Russell:okay baby oh Steph was like oh yeah I was busy four years ago I was busy oh you were having a baby no no no because she's six now but she's like two so you were two years into having a baby yeah I was just like you know a lot of soft playing just in all those classes and shit your poor daughter

1:18:57Wyatt Russell:is taking the blame for your shoddy TV

1:18:59Kurt Russell:it's her fault there's like a gaping hole in my viewing because I was, you know, watching fucking shit on Netflix, you know, all that kiddie stuff. Anyway, right. Anyway, wow. I mean, I don't think I've been as blown away by a show. I almost couldn't believe what I was watching. Firstly, it scares the shit out of me because I'm watching this and I'm thinking, oh my God, is this actually happening? Because it's all so believable. It probably is all happening now. It's much more believable now than it was four years ago, yeah. Well, so this whole thing, this capture thing, which is the AI faces and people using...

1:19:34Kurt Russell:Correction. Correction, sorry, correction. Correction is digitally manipulating video footage. Yes, sorry, I meant correction. To essentially make people do things they're not doing or to show people as being other people, which back then, when season two came out, series two came out, was science fiction. Now it's just Instagram. I mean, my God, the amount of times that they could have... It was a cliffhanger in this episode. I just kept going, oh my God. it's really heart stopping isn't it God it delivers this is definitely not a show you can watch while doing anything else because you're so focused on what fuck is happening and thinking oh my god how is Holiday Granger going to get out of this situation it's so it's really intense this episode felt like a series finale I don't know if you all agree with that there's a lot happening and I was like how if it starts like this where the fuck is it going to go?

1:20:29Kurt Russell:Because this is unbelievable. I don't want to give... It's hard to talk about this without giving you any spoilers. I don't want to give you any spoilers because the bang, bang, bang of this episode, the pacing of this episode is so insanely brilliant. It's masterful. I also don't want to ruin it for you. You should just watch it. It's hard to talk about this. It's really hard to talk about. I'm not mentioning anything. There are a lot of plot twists from the very first episode. I mean, God, I really was blown away by how good this was. But like I said, it does feel like a finale, so I don't know what they're going to do.

1:21:05Kurt Russell:I'm hoping that you've watched more. No, they only gave us two episodes, didn't they? I watched two, yeah. Right, I only watched the first one because I was busy doing... It all kicks off in the first one, to be fair, and then it continues to kick off in the second one. Does it? Does it keep that pace? Oh, yeah, it's...

1:21:18Wyatt Russell:I was annoyed. They told me they were going to give me three episodes and I haven't got a third episode yet, so I'm still, you know, furious. Furious, furious. it is absolutely fucking brilliant and this is the most I think the capture is the most underrated show a show that is absolutely phenomenal I thought Season 1 was great Season 2 was even better Ben Chaynon the creator of it did our pilot live show where we debuted the first episode of Series 2 I seem to remember and he somehow ratcheted it up even more well he has done a really difficult job as James said like reflecting the fact that now you can do these fake facial recognition and all of that on Instagram and on social media.

1:22:02Wyatt Russell:Pretty much anyone can do it, and it's horrifically real. It's insane. But he's somehow, to me, I don't know anything about, apart from what you see in the news and what you see around you, but he seems to have kind of tapped into what's going on in the world in all of these seasons, advancing it just enough to make you feel like he's completely on top of what is the latest tech. And what they're working on, what Holiday Granger's gang are working on, seems to be the kind of thing that we would need right now, that people still be working on. At the same time, there's an investigation going on into the use of it and abuse of it that happened in series two.

1:22:38Wyatt Russell:You don't know who she can trust at all. She's surrounded by all different people. Leah Williams' character, Ron Perlman's character from the CIA, Ben Miles, all these people are returning from previous shows. Papa S.E.A. do, of course. But you just don't know. They're all like, she can't fucking trust anyone, basically. And it's got that paranoiac conspiracy thriller thing off to an absolute T. It's up there for me with Line of Duty. I agree. Just in terms of, and the storytelling, as you say, is so propulsive. There's so many twists. It almost goes, right, Line of Duty, you thought you could watch an episode of Line of Duty and, you know, they'd have at least five or six things going on.

1:23:13Wyatt Russell:The final shot at the end of the first episode is going to have you absolutely breathlessly wanting to carry on. This outdoes it even more. It's an absolute, it's like it's thrown down the gauntlet you know it's a real mic drop isn't it yeah it's an absolute mic drop it's like Ben Cheney has somehow thrown down the gauntlet to his fellow dramatists working in this world of paranoid conspiracy thriller kind of stuff and he's just done an amazing job I think it's phenomenal I think it's like you know if this isn't up there with my top shows of the year I would be stunned

1:23:41Kurt Russell:yeah I mean it is thrilling

1:23:43Wyatt Russell:and she is Conor Day Grange I watched the first time I was thinking no one does reaction shots oh my gosh she's brilliant brilliant she's in episode one there's a thing she's watching a thing play out trying not to spoil anything and just everything is played out the face acting the face acting incredible face acting she's genius at face acting and I think you know because kind of the storyline and what's going on rests on her face acting in many ways it's just it's brilliant no she's amazing

1:24:11Kurt Russell:there's another scene there's a scene in her apartment again I'm not going to give it away but I was like oh my god but yeah she's phenomenal it's so thrilling this so so thrilling I totally agree with you it's more than up there with Line of Duty more than up there but what's hilarious kind of is what Boyd said is that if you were to ask the majority of people do you watch The Captain they'd be like what

1:24:32Wyatt Russell:no exactly never have heard of it that's why I mean it's underrated which is deranged I think if you've watched it you rate it as highly as it needs to be but it is weird it's not it doesn't feel like it's part of the culture I think this hopefully this will be a turning point

1:24:42Kurt Russell:yeah why is that though do you think why is it it's a very good question I genuinely don't know I guess there just hasn't been as much noise about it. But as Boyd said, I do wonder whether this third series really will land for the simple reason that previously it didn't feel like super far-fetched, but now this is our lived reality. Like when all the war stuff started kicking off with Iran and whatnot, the amount of stuff that was on social media pretending to be a lot of battleships sinking, and it was just all AI-generated nonsense. So we are already at the point now where you cannot trust anything you see at all.

1:25:15Because it's basically photoreal, the manipulation is. and that's the premise of this show that they're able to just manipulate video footage and while before it was just like oh that's kind of a scary idea now it's just like shit this is life and I think that maybe will resonate with people but even if none of that was the case it is still a nuts and bolts brilliant conspiracy thriller it's fantastically thrilling the set up is good the storytelling is great because the previous ones like the first series was as you know it was about a guy who was being convicted of a crime based on video images had been doctored this has ratcheted up the stage and the series two with Papi S.E.A.

1:25:51had more it was more thrilling there was more going on more action in it this one has sort of seen it crank up another notch like shifted into an even higher gear so now and I think only with this third series is it now it almost has the velocity in fact not even almost it 100 % has the velocity of latter season Line of Duty at this point because it goes along pell-mell at a thousand miles an hour from the very first episode and you're just like well strap in and it's absolutely brilliant

1:26:17Kurt Russell:Yeah, I think what was so exciting to me about it is because we've watched a couple of shows that we've mentioned they seemed a bit slow and it seemed like you'd be doing something else. And this, I really enjoyed the fact that you had to watch. And actually, you really couldn't take your eyes off it because it was that thrilling and it was that exciting. But yeah, God, what a show. I'm also obsessed with Rachel Carey's Green Coat. You know how you say all detectives, it's outerwear. It's all about outerwear when it comes to TV detectives. whether it be you're killing me here I'm not just looking at

1:26:49Wyatt Russell:a picture of it she's wearing a blue coat in this shot a publicity shot also that's a suit she's not wearing a coat

1:26:54Kurt Russell:yeah that's when she goes to meet him but like you know the green coat that she wears it's not Lenny James' puffer you know not that he's a detective you know what I mean but that green coat that's a good coat Luther's coat Iconic coats Iconic outerwear is the thing for TV dramas I think it can elevate a show and that is a great green coat Lenny is a detective of sorts He's like a home detective, yes. And if I were a home detective, I too would have a yellow puffer. Home detective. He detects things at home. Yeah. He has a puffer jacket in pilot yellow. Yes. No, I know. Yeah, true. Very on brand.

1:27:29But yes, good outerwear is very important.

1:27:31Kurt Russell:Okay. Well, God, what a show. What a show. The Capture then, Series 3, which lands on BBC One. When, Boyd?

1:27:39Wyatt Russell:Well, it just started yesterday, Sunday, the 8th of March. It's going out weekly and it's not all on the iPlayer. You can tell when a thing is, when the BBC knows it's got a very exciting, tense thriller on its hand when it does not put it all out in one go. So you have to watch it week by week by week. Not available on iPlayer or on Boydyscreener account. I know. Well, it's, see, episode one's available on iPlayer, but episode two...

1:28:00Kurt Russell:Sorry, how many episodes are there?

1:28:01Wyatt Russell:Just one so far. Just one a week, Sunday week. No, no, no, just... Oh, six, I believe. Just one. This is one episode of the show. It's basically a film. It's a film. I believe it's six episodes. Six episodes. Yes. fantastic finally this week we have gone on ITV1 a missing persons drama with David Morrissey as the kind of martinet headmaster of a posh boys boarding school and Emma Appleton as his daughter who is also a part of the faculty Eve Miles is a police officer and she gets involved in their lives when Morrissey's wife goes missing and with him coming across very strongly like a massive wrongun it all seems a little bit suspicious this course comes from George Kay who brought us such shows as Lupin and hijack, we should say.

1:28:43And the show explores the idea of elitism and how privilege can make people feel untouchable by the rules that govern normal people. Who better then than Virgin Gold Club member Boyd Hilton to tell us all about it. Gold Club. Gold Club. Gold member. Austin Powers.

1:29:01Wyatt Russell:Yes, Boyd Hilton in Gold Member. Let me just say that I very much enjoyed this because it's funny there's so many thrillers I mean, there's not only so many thrillers on TV at the moment. There's thrillers about people disappearing. Left, right, and centre. Vanished. We did that one recently. There was the one about the sleepover with the kid who vanishes. I can't remember what that was called. Was it All Her Fault? No, All Her Fault was another different one. Oh, yeah, the one with the play date. The one that was play date and then got called something else. With Holiday Granger. Which is actually running on ITV now.

1:29:34Wyatt Russell:It was running on ITV Wednesday or Thursday nights at the moment. So you can't move for disappeared people, basically. They're all over the fucking place.

1:29:42Kurt Russell:But they're not, are they?

1:29:45Wyatt Russell:It's kind of the point. I've got to think about titles, right? Gone. It's just like, isn't that... Couldn't you have come up with something more better? You just said you really liked it.

1:29:55Kurt Russell:No, no, no.

1:29:56Wyatt Russell:It's the title. Literally the title. I just worry that it's going to get lost and forgotten. You know, at the end of the year when you go, which one was that? Was it vanished or was it gone? Or was it, you know... Well, yeah, that's what I was thinking.

1:30:05Kurt Russell:I was trying to think, what are the titles of these things they're talking about? I know. I do find, like, generic titles. are a night mess. That's what I'm getting at. For those of us who struggle to remember the names of shows at the best of times, things like, it's not her fault or nobody wants this. It's like, stop naming shows,

1:30:21Wyatt Russell:things like that. All her fault is better than just gone. I mean, it just feels like a bit so generic. I think they thought it was quite bold. Maybe. Anyway, that's a minor detail.

1:30:31Kurt Russell:It really is.

1:30:32Wyatt Russell:I think what George K is great at is what she did with Hijack and, what was the other thing he said? Lupin. Lupin. Get over my senility. You have to get used to it. Lupin, one...

1:30:43Kurt Russell:I've been dealing with it for many, many years.

1:30:45Wyatt Russell:We should say hijack Lupin, one-word titles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. And Lupin just a one-word title about a character's name, so that's obviously cheating there. But anyway, what George Kay is really good at is taking these very big kind of genre pieces, if you like, thrillers, essentially, or Lupin, a crime caper kind of thriller, hijack mixing thriller with disaster movie almost tropes, and kind of making them, elevating them above and beyond what is the norm for this kind of show, I think. And I think it helps that you've got David Morrissey, who I love in everything, and does brilliant, lugubrious, kind of disapproving, embittered, twisted characters brilliantly.

1:31:26Wyatt Russell:And he's like oozing inner turmoil in this role. I think he's fantastic. Just the way he walks and talks and stands there and stares at people. He's got incredible presence. Incredible presence. And Eve Miles, I have to say, And she's absolutely equally brilliant. And she's just great at being kind of likeable. Her dialogue, I think it's really well written because her dialogue feels completely naturalistic and establishes her as kind of a normal human being in this context of people where she's embroiled in a case that she kind of is investigating on the side because she's kind of sidelined in the investigation.

1:32:01Wyatt Russell:But dealing with her, frankly, irritating colleagues who undervalue her and dealing with the various suspects in this case of this disappeared woman. And she just makes it so real and natural. She just imbues it with the naturalism I think is really fantastic. And she's always been brilliant. Going back to Torchwood, the brilliant Doctor Who spin-off.

1:32:19Kurt Russell:Broadchurch.

1:32:19Wyatt Russell:Broadchurch. And so this is a brilliant role for her. And the scenes between the two of them are just great. Like, you really want more and more of those. It's kind of, it ends up being a pretty traditional whodunit, to be honest. Like, there's enough candidates and suspects to...

1:32:32Kurt Russell:Have you watched all of it? No. You haven't, I can't.

1:32:33Wyatt Russell:And this is what I was going to say. I'm up to episode four. I've watched four of six. because I think this is six parts, isn't it? Was it five or six parts? I think it's six. Six, yeah. You've watched the whole thing.

1:32:41Kurt Russell:No, I haven't watched the whole thing. Rooster was the thing I watched the whole thing.

1:32:43Wyatt Russell:Well, I have to say, I've got to the end of episode four and it does, again, George K does a brilliant job of swinging from one kind of suspect to another and making one character more prominent. You think, oh, they've definitely done it. That character's definitely done it. And then no, like 10 minutes later, oh no, actually, maybe you've brought this, you're giving it scenes with this character. Maybe they've done it. I genuinely have no idea right now, three quarters of the way through the series, It's who the fuck did it and what the fuck exactly happened. And that's really clever. And my final note of acclaim, because I do think this is a really good show, and it's harder than you think.

1:33:16Wyatt Russell:I think he's very good at making the psychological decisions that people take in these situations believable and real. So often, I was talking to someone else about this the other day, a TV writer, so often on TV thrillers, and there are a dime a dozen every week, there's another, you queen of crime, obviously. you're in touch with all of them. We've reviewed many of them, if not most of them. And often you just kind of like, there are things that happen that are just so unlikely and ridiculous. Decisions being made by characters in the middle of these kind of plots. You think, why would you do that?

1:33:51Wyatt Russell:That's ridiculous. But this, I think George K goes out of his way of explaining why people do things in certain situations that seem silly and misguided, but actually he gives you the psychological reasons why. And I totally bought into all of that. So I think it's a really, a really enjoyable, entertaining and gripping show. And I think it's a cut above the usual, you know, prime time. It's not quite, in a week of The Capture and Gone.

1:34:15Kurt Russell:God, what a week. It is a really good week

1:34:16Wyatt Russell:for big mainstream thrillers. The Capture is genius and this is very, very, very good, I think.

1:34:22Kurt Russell:Yeah. Had I not seen The Capture, I would have been, I think I'd have been even more excited about this. And if Undersault Marsh had not been released this year, I would also be more excited about this. I think this is really good. I really love it when you've got a detective who has a lingering unsolved case that also becomes part of the main storyline. That old chestnut. I just do. I just love it when there's something that's been giving them some turmoil for years and it's traditionally like eight years ago that something happened and a case they didn't solve and Eve Mars has that and she also has her own demons and relationship demons.

1:35:03Kurt Russell:but my god he's going to he's going to James is going to murder you this is going to be the next thriller we've got one minute left okay David Morrissey my god he scared the absolute shit out of me he's so brilliant in this domineering overbearing role and I don't think it's a spoiler to say you immediately think oh well it was him oh yeah oh no it's by design yeah but yeah and then and then it's it's absolutely brilliant and I think it's going to convert James permanently to ITV dramas? I mean, I don't think it will. I think Broadchurch did that now. Oh, okay, yeah, that's true. But I liked it.

1:35:38Didn't love it, but I did like it. I thought it was solid. I think, you're right, I think E. Mars is fantastic. David Morrissey is magnificent in this. Emma Hamilton, I think, is really good in this as well. I think she plays that role brilliantly. And adds to the kind of weird dynamic within that family. It's also interesting because it's desaturated heavily to almost make it look like a period piece, which I thought was an interesting choice. Initially, I was like, oh, is this set in the 80s? I thought initially, because it has that kind of washed out look. Yes, it does. Which I thought was an interesting, you know, stylistic wrinkle.

1:36:10But yeah, I thought it was a really interesting setting for that kind of classic missing person mystery. And I really like the idea that they wrongfoot you. I mean, do they wrongfoot you? For all I know, he literally did it, because I haven't seen the whole show. But he's so dour and moody and difficult and borderline coercive controlling. or certainly that's the impression he gives. You don't actually know that. When you meet him and he's so, like every red flag for the detectives goes off the second they meet him. I just thought that was a really fun way of framing it.

1:36:39Wyatt Russell:It goes through, like sometimes you initially, oh, you definitely did it. Then you're like, oh, no, no, he didn't, that's really it. And then you're like, oh, actually he's done it again. It flows brilliantly like that. Can I just mention the director, Richard Laxton, who is brilliant. He directed Joan last year. Do you remember Joan? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The story of that. And he did him, he goes back to him and her. Sophie Turner. Sophie Turner. And it goes back to him and her. I remember seeing him on set for him and her, the classic Russell Tovey show.

1:37:01Kurt Russell:Not his and hers, the fantastic Netflix show. No, exactly.

1:37:03Wyatt Russell:But he's done a brilliant job of creating that. He has got a visual style to it, which I think is really interesting, yeah. Right, Gone Then, which is on the ITV, Wendboydy? That started yesterday as well. That's on Sundays and Mondays for three weeks.

1:37:17Kurt Russell:Sundays and Mondays? Yeah, that's quite common.

1:37:19Wyatt Russell:Sundays and Mondays. Transmission plan at the moment, yeah. It's quite common.

1:37:22Kurt Russell:Transmission plan.

1:37:23Wyatt Russell:Transmission plan. Other things out this week. Oh my God, it's quite a busy week. I am going to

1:37:28Kurt Russell:I'm turning pages now this is official

1:37:30Wyatt Russell:it's okay to turn this page this is official this is what James gets furious when I turn the page it's maddening okay the Louis Theroux documentary the aforementioned is on Wednesday on the Netflix yes Inside the Manosphere there's a so-called This Close starting on ITV on Thursday which is created by deaf actors and it's all about deaf characters and what they have to fill up with Claudia Winkman's chat show starts on Friday we will need to know that 10.40 BBC One Outlander the final season begins on MGM Plus oh that began on MGM Plus on Saturday sorry oh A Woman of Substance is a huge any other week probably would have done it maybe all the time

1:38:05Kurt Russell:is it Channel 4 yeah Channel 4 Wednesday

1:38:06Wyatt Russell:Wednesday One Piece Season 2 lands on Netflix if you're into that that's on Tuesday Ellis Season 2 Ellis the Channel 5 Detective Drama with Sharon D. Clarke the great Sharon D. Clarke sure why not James doesn't Scarpetta Scarpetta

1:38:19Kurt Russell:Nicole Kidman Prime Video

1:38:20Wyatt Russell:Wednesday which we will cover on Pilot Plus as well as quite possibly Louis III okay So, Scope has to start on Wednesday on Prime Video. Oh, Virgin Rivers back on Thursday. One of K's favourites. K's. Day the 12th. And did you mention The Madison, the other Yellowstone spin-off? Michelle Pfeiffer. So, that's with Michelle Pfeiffer, right? Is it actually the Yellowstone spin-off? It is, yeah. It is. It's a Yellowstone spin-off. And that starts on Paramount Plus on Saturday. There you go. There we go. And did you mention the other Bennett sister?

1:38:49Kurt Russell:He didn't. BBC One Sunday.

1:38:51Wyatt Russell:No, you're absolutely right. The other Bennett sister, which is on the Sunday, yes. So, a lot going on. With Rick Jones. a lot of shows a lot of shows going on but that's all we've got time for on this week's podcast if you haven't left us a review and honestly we've been going now for about 8 years so there's really no excuse but if you'd like to leave us a 5 star rating then we would obviously appreciate it and if you want to follow us on the social medias at Boyd Hilton at Steph Sealand at James C. Dyer God knows I need new Instagram followers so please feel free to and at Pilot TV Pod and we will be in your ears on Thursday doing Scott Petter and next week oh so many things Invincible Imperfect Woman I think technically Peaky Blinders lands on Netflix that week, so if we're going to cover it, that might be the week we cover that.

1:39:28We'll see. But yeah, good times. Goodbye from Boydie. Goodbye.

1:39:33Kurt Russell:I thought we were going to do our pick of the week. Oh, we didn't do our pick of the week. It was the capture, isn't it? It's the capture. For all three of us, it's the capture. Okay, it is the capture. Format-wise. But depending on what your mood in is, it might be the reason. It's the capture, isn't it? It's 100%. Stop it, Steph. Okay, it is the capture. It's fantastic. Yeah, okay, fine. And it's goodbye from the bum-obsessed Steph Sealand. listen just take my advice Bridgerton Brewster what time to be alive Steph's bum watch that's what's going to be a new segment on this podcast right it's fine okay let's go now we can put this whole thing behind us pilot out