Widow’s Bay Spoiler Special

0:08Welcome to Pilot Plus and our long-anticipated Widow's Bay spoiler discussion. This comes with the obligatory spoiler warning. If you have not seen Widow's Bay, if like Steph you are tardy and haven't finished it yet because you don't truly love this show, then you might want to wait until you've seen it before listening to this. but this is Pilot TV and myself and Boyd long time fans of the Apple TV show Widows Bay and we're champions I would say we're champions of that show from the beginning very supportive backers if you will James and Boyd why are you such massive shits like what is wrong with you two listeners will know James is a massive shits I'm a medium medium you're a medium right listeners will know and yes we are going to say it again so what happened was we reviewed Widows Bay the first episode and I thought it was absolutely hilarious brilliant said it was incredible and then a slight argument ensued where Boyd and James both said it was rubbish James actively hating it Boyd moderately hating it because people were speaking and I quote too loudly yes and um and also something was wrong with the pacing but both of them didn't like it and James did that thing where he goes was it good like that um it's so irritating you know and and then we left it there and then came the backlash from you wonderful people saying it's absolutely amazing and then came the second backlash from the critics saying it was absolutely amazing and then came the Emmy nominations I believe it's 19 and then came the apology from James and the admission that he was wrong i mean wrong is a strong word sorry i've missed out your redemption arc yeah i reverse fair it was early very early on very early on let's acknowledge that i will give that to you you did go back to it and you did you did yeah your redemption arc got missed out of that whole story but that is what happened guys yeah in the three-act structure of this of this drama i'm in the middle act you are and i get redemption whereas james's redemption doesn't come until right at the end.

2:13Yeah. And I would also say even at the end he still tried to come back and say I will maintain that the first episode is not good. I mean I'm backing that a bit. Yeah. Yeah. We'll continue now. We've had a brief break there because Steph has and I'm not joking a brand new microphone. Isn't this exciting? After the drama of the last one that broke and you being underwater we have a brand new microphone for you. Unfortunately you hadn't turned it on so it wasn't working a second ago but it is now on and Steph you sound great I was very on brand not turning on keeping the volume down you know what it wouldn't be this podcast unless we had microphone fuckery before starting so um but yes you are right I did give a kind of mealy-mouthed apology whereby I said yeah it's really good except the one thing I saw was terrible therefore I'm not wrong after okay look I was wrong there we go Steph was right yes play the tune do it now yes Steph is correct Steph is correct Steph is correct Steph is correct Steph is correct okay that is the Steph was right anthem you were right this is a very good show the first episode if I were to re-watch it now I suspect I would like it more than I did my assumption from that episode is that But because this show started as a Parks and Rec spec script, I think the most Parks and Rec DNA is possibly in that first episode.

3:46I agree. Because it is all bumbling administration and comedy. And the horror really is kind of backloaded to the very, very end where you see that trapdoor and chair, which we don't find out again until the very end of the series. And I was honestly struggling to stay awake and alive while watching that episode. But thankfully, it rallied. You don't like Parks and Rec. And I think I didn't realise it was a Park and Rec spec script when I first watched it. And the thing, I think I even mentioned the fact that I liked it because I love that whole Parks and Rec vibe of it, which is just amazing.

4:17I love that. Anything to do with kind of an in-office and hilariously frustrated person, I thought was brilliant. But yeah. James was weirdly obsessed with the Parks and Rec element and mentioned Parks and Rec this whole thing every single time we discussed the show. as if like it's going to affect the show itself it's like forget the parts of the wreck thing i'm clinging to it as a shield to my own sanity to explain why i was so wrong about this show okay now i'm going to ask each of you before we do anything else to pick a favorite episode and explain why that is your favorite episode steph let's start with you okay i had a feeling you might ask this question and I am struggling so hard between two episodes okay and they are episode four and episode eight so episode four is the party sunset cocktails episode because I'm just going to say this for me this show is all about Patricia and Kate O 'Flynn is my absolute MVP of this show so sunset cocktails because I just everything about that was it is it's a master class in genre blending this whole show right I think we can all agree that I can't think of another show that has blended comedy and horror in such a magnificent way and you really are from one moment to the next like laughing out loud and then like oh shit like that which is which is such an enjoy it's so enjoyable but Sunset Cocktails in particular just because you obviously have no idea that this crazy shit is actually happening and she's just been reading this self-help book about putting on the great cocktail party.

5:57And for me, that bit at the end where the police guy comes in and goes, Patricia, what the fuck are you doing? And she's like, what? And then she sees in the mirror. And earlier on, the mean girls have gone, what is she wearing on her head? And then you see all the dead animals and you see everything she's done. That is one of the best scenes ever. my favourite thing about that scene is when Del Dickey's character, who is also inherently just creepy, says, well, you told me just to support you. She's like, why didn't you say she told me? And it's those kind of absolutely brilliant comic one-liners that make this such a special show.

6:36But I have a feeling, I won't talk too much about episode eight, which is also a standout episode, because I've got a feeling it's Boyd's favourite episode. Boyd? Yes, you're right. Episode 8 is my favourite episode. Your Baggage, it's called. And let me say this. I think Episode 8 is a better example of stalk and slash horror films than all of the recent attempts to do Halloween and Scream 7, Halloween 24. all of those things are lame in comparison to this one episode of this show, which does the stalker thing brilliantly, the boogeyman thing. The boogeyman itself is quite scary and horrible, like the mask design.

7:17The relentlessness of which he's stalking his victims, Patricia, mainly, of course, and Patricia's kind of resourcefulness as she's being stalked by this fucking psychopathic serial killer, of boogeyman is brilliant and i just love the way it's shot and directed it's beautiful beautifully done so yeah i think that episode is an absolute masterpiece and it's also the most horror-y it's the most horrific of i think but flat out horror it's a flat out kind of half hour horror masterpiece i think it's not too good to find the point of it i'd also say that episode is probably the most funny because i was laughing so much when patricia when they eventually get the Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees character, right?

8:03And they eventually capture him and he's arrested and then he's put into the ambulance, then he's put into the incinerator and it's just silent, that scene, apart from Patricia with her gun on him. And when she says, when he's in the incinerator and you just see her with the gun and she says, is there another way out? She's got her gun pointed it in the whole time. It's just, I couldn't stop like that. It was so funny. Also, I love dramas, I love moments where the main, that one character knows, knows that something terrible is happening and something supernatural, if you like, is happening or something, you know, there is a fucking, because remember, we know the backstory that she was ostracised by her, by the other women who thought the fact that she was being stalked by a circle was insane and now everyone can see in the locale that it really is happening and this fucking boogeyman is real.

8:56And I just thought, I love that. It's so satisfying, you know, on that level for her, who's been bullied by the locusts to be proved right, even though she is about to be slaughtered mercilessly by this horrendous figure. So I love everything about it, I thought was brilliant. Yeah, that scene where she's done, and there's also that brilliant bit where she goes in and the meat girls that have always been mean to her are having like just another gathering and they're like, oh God, she's so awful. Oh, you're just crazy. And then she has to stand, you know, kind of in that hallway and say, yeah, I did lie about the calls and admit that there was one aspect of that story that they've been saying she's been lying all along and she wasn't really stuck.

9:34She was like, I did lie about the calls, but I'm not lying about this. And then she goes out and sees him upstairs of the house. But I just also think just her running, just her running away in that whole episode is so brilliant. It's just incredible. It's so comedic. You're going, oh my gosh, I actually don't think she's going to get away. What is going to happen? What is going to happen? But yeah, it is hard to pick between episode eight and episode four. But I think all the slasher movie tropes that are included in that episode, maybe edge it towards the best one. James. Four was my favourite.

10:10the party one was definitely my favourite I thought that was absolute genius for all the reasons that you say but my second favourite yes would very much be episode 8 the Michael Myers episode because it's just it's just fantastic because it's what we talked about on the main podcast where for me it's like I was like this if scary movie weren't such a broad let's be honest piece of shit type spoof parody this is what it should be because this is a very sort of subtle but it does exactly the same thing so you've got exactly the same tropes, which is the slow walking killer, and then the running woman running away from them, banging on doors, getting into comedy scrapes while the guy relentless.

10:48And, like, Scary Movie have done that, but just it's not as funny or as good. I'm pleased you've done your Sopranos versus Hollyoaks comparison again of Scary Movie versus this show. That's it. Oh my god, this is so much better than Scary Movie. Yeah, I mean, what a low bar. What a low bar. Sopranos, so much better than Hollyoaks, even though they're both on the TV. that's fair I know what you mean there's just there's so many like good jokes like in that episode where she just where the slow walking assassin is coming towards her with the knife and then she goes into the petrol station and she's like can I have 20 on 4 because she's going to get the petrol and she's going to like she's going to try and incinerate him it's just those kind of touches why are they it seems like they're so brilliantly executed in this show and they haven't been in in like you say things like scary movies it's interesting when they talked about the show and they had to describe it and they were like we have to describe it as a horror comedy but we don't want to because historically horror comedies are not good like that is not a blend of genres that works very well and honestly and i come back to the thing i always say when it comes to comedy i think the reason for that is horror comedies that fail always lean too far into the comedy horror comedies that succeed lean further into the horror and keep the comedy on a kind of low burn to keep it subtle to keep it funny and in this case quite sophisticated and it's like and that's why it's funny that's why it works because this is a horror show with comedy not a comedy with horror elements i think and you're right you're totally right we say because the the comedy comes in great one-liners and also physical comedy but believable physical comedy so there's a scene and i think you talked about it before where a painting falls on um the tom's head and that that it isn't an out of place piece of physical comedy because he's trying to do something and that's, you know, that whole Farago ends from him trying to get this painting off the wall.

12:44So it doesn't feel like unnecessarily inserted. It feels like, oh, that's perfectly placed in there and it feels natural and that's what makes it flow. It's so beautifully judged. To be honest, I think the mixture of the horror and the comedy works so well because they've kind of come up with a unique way of handling it for me. And the painting falling on him sequence, which might just be my single favourite scene in the whole thing, is a classic example of it. Because, yeah, you believe the painting would fall on him, and it's really heavy, and he really needs to be saved. And all of the stupid people, all those funny eccentric people he works with, they're just not helping, right?

13:23And then eventually, the policeman does, doesn't he, in the end, the sheriff guy, helps him. But just the way that's done is really funny. but at the same time horrific because you don't he's trapped in there he could like break his arm or something and it just sums up the it's a mastery of tone i think all the way through the comedy bits i think it is a horror it's a horror saga for me but it just so happens that like all good um drama it acknowledges humor and it acknowledges that some things are funny when they're not meant to be and people behave in ways that are funny particularly when there's a band of eccentrics like his co-workers and the people he has to deal with on a daily basis so i think i think this just pinpoints if you're going to do if you're going to attempt to do some a horror comedy in quotes make it a horror thing and then just have comedic elements will come through if you allow them naturally almost to evolve from the general morass of the show if you like but even in that scene what's brilliant about that is you and as i said it doesn't feel just unnecessarily inserted to build up the comedy aspect of it.

14:28You know, it's there for a reason. And at the end, when they do get him out of that, when they do get him out of the painting, there's a clue that's revealed. And so then it carries on. Do you know what I mean? It advances the scene, which is great. And the other scene that I think, if you describe the scene, you think, oh, that just sounds ridiculous and it just seems laboured. But it's the scene when Dale Dickie's character is giving the overhead projector presentation about that's just relentlessly funny that is a high risk scene yes i agree because they've got to be discussing exactly how long does this go on for yeah because it goes on definitely longer than you expect it to and then you get it's funny because you go through oh this is quite funny and then you're like okay this has gone too online i'm a bit bored this is irritating and then it goes through that right and gets funny again because it goes and they have the courage to push through the bit when it's not funny and get back to oh my god now it's just incredibly funny because it is still going on yeah you know what it reminded me of it reminded me of and the comedy aficionados will remember this in the day-to-day there was a sketch in which steve coogan played a pool attendant a swimming pool attendant and someone had died on his watch and in in this in this bit he goes through he goes in certain people accuse me of being responsible but in 1975 no one died in 1976 no one died in 1977 no one died and it goes on and on and on and on and you think it's got to stop soon but it's it's the going on and on nurse of it that makes it hilarious and the oh my god the the presentation in widow's bay that's a i was cheering i was like oh my god they're really really going for it's so bold and brave yeah but i think people will that makes it so memorable.

16:18That is going to be a classic scene. I think it's Dan. It's Dan, isn't it? Dan, Dan, Dan. And on Partridge as well. Yeah, that's... But taken to the nth degree because it's so funny and she's so earnest and angry about it. And they're all cowed by her. They're all like, okay, we'll shut up because she's got all the power at that moment. Yeah, because she's like, well, maybe I'll just stop there. I can't now carry on. But can you only imagine that when they were filming that scene, I can't imagine how many times they must have broken in that scene because for Dale Dickey to just... she remains stony face throughout the whole thing and i was just i was lapping the whole thing up and it is exactly as you say it is that day today and then she gets to the well there's a bit of some which would be the equivalent of someone died and then it goes back to no one died but god it's and just even the way she's laboring over crossing out the names when they die it's just so brilliant it is fantastic and i think as well it's kind of genius because it's actually what what it is is exposition it's a bit of exposition right explaining the lore lore of the island and all that in the most extraordinarily stretched comedic way it's really clever on all kinds of levels that scene it's yeah it's one of it's geniuses that that that i think will be that's the sequence that's going to kind of cement its reputation as being something really classic the reason i think this whole show works is because it does the one thing that as i kind of have already said is my biggest bugbear in comedy and when i hate comedy when i actively take against it it's when for the sake of getting laughs they break your suspension of disbelief in the story the drama the narrative whether that be horror whether that be action you know what so you no longer believe the story they're telling because people are doing or saying deeply stupid things just to get laughs and it just shatters the illusion like the hawk on netflix yeah what yeah Right.

18:11I mean. Okay. I'm going to hold my hands up about the hawk. Okay. I am. All right. Just stupid shit. But with this, they all behave in slightly heightened ways, but they are all still believable within the horror narrative. And at no point does it take you out of that story. And yet it is very funny. And, you know, and you only have to look at television to see that's a really fucking hard thing to pull off consistently. It really is. And they manage it wonderfully. I have a question. what did you guys think of the the episode six which is the entire flashback origin kind of origin story what did you think was genius casting in that because she plays it 100 % straight all the way through and it's amazing i thoroughly enjoyed that i think it's really bold to do it in the you know slap bang in the middle of a season and i think some people might have gone oh oh no i don't know whether i like this because i think one of you mentioned before that in some ways every episode it feels like it's in isolation it feels like a complete story early on it's very very episodic so yeah boyd what did you think of it i have to say my two least favorite episodes are that one and the subsequent one where um they exhume the guy and the dead guy is is there on the boat where we take them on the boat yeah and we're also chatting to matthew reese you know in the matter who is just having a chat with this dead guy right and and you know he's i just i still it doesn't it doesn't ruin my enjoyment of the show in any way by the way and i'm being my you know my two least favorite episodes among 10 great episodes but i thought for me the the backstory episode six i don't know it felt a little bit labored to me i general generally backstory stuff especially for horror funnily enough really slightly gets my goat and I always think it's unnecessary.

20:01I often think with horror stuff, the less explanation there is of something that's meant to be horrific, the better. And in this, they went down that road of having this full explanation of everything. And then, I don't know, I found the chatting away to the dead guy scenes. I think that would be my only example of slightly misjudged mix of comedy and horror. And for me, he stopped being scary and it wasn't that funny. It was like it was a bit of a... So I'm being hypercritical here, by the way. because they're only, they're just, when I say they're two of my least favourite episodes, they're still really good.

20:35I mean, they're still great. But yeah, they were the ones that, I was really relieved, but put it this way, that the episode eight after the seasickness episode is a full return to the genius of the show for me. So this is just a little dip, I think, for me with six and seven. I do, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. They are probably the weakest episodes out of the 10 episodes. but I do think in the episode where just even when Kate when Patricia's saying no he's upstairs he's in the room and he's only going to talk to you and then she comes in and she says oh I left my back genius that just is so funny it's so so funny oh no there are moments I just think also the more you see it's one of those things of the more you see of a horrific thing this dead guy right Richard Warren the less powerful it becomes and I know that's part of the joke in this case so yeah it just trot a fine line for me and and slightly slightly lessen the impact of that figure but you know i'm nitpicking guillermo del toro tweeted about this and said uh widow's bay may well be the best streaming series in a long time and hands down one of the most mesmerizing acts of narrative prestidigitation anyway it means narrative sleight of hand it's not a word i've encountered before and it's very hard to say um but it does do that because it does lead you down the garden path and you're not really sure where it's going although by the time it gets to the end and a few people have picked this up like there are quite heavy kind of lost influences in there you know with the video the old sort of like tape videotape about the sacrifices and the the thing about the island and whatnot like it feels like it has an element of that in there did you did you feel that i didn't even think that but now you say it yeah it does have a bit of a lost element yeah yeah i i think i i think i know what guillermo means me and me and guillermo yeah um In that, like, when you reach the final episode and Tom has to go and see Ruth and, you know, Tom has gone from, in episode one being the not believing in any of this shit, right?

22:34and being quite annoyed by the implication there's anything supernatural going on in his beloved island, to literally realise that he has to kill this poor old woman to save the obscure folklore of the island that's been explained to him by a madwoman in a half-hour presentation. And that narrative, Slytherin, is brilliant. His journey, to use an overused word, from sceptic, the ultimate sceptic, to the man who's in acting about to kill someone because of supernatural reasons is brilliant. And that whole dilemma, his dilemma, what tea to give her, again, is funny. That tea thing is so good because you get that.

23:18What I love about that is it kind of comes back to, you know, what is the core of Tom, which is just a very frustrated man. And when he finds out that one of the teas takes three minutes to steep and the other one takes 20 minutes, And he's like, oh, fuck that. Then you just get back to his core, even though he's there to do this horrific thing of murder this woman for the sake of an island. And when he has the conversation with her at GameCon, it just makes me laugh so much. It has that conversation when he gives her the dilemma of, if you could save all these people, and you go, oh, it was just one person.

23:49She's like, well, I wouldn't do it. And she's like, why? No, it's brilliant. She failed the trolley problem. That is genius. If I were to pick a single moment from the show, the moment that made me realize okay this is genius it was in the third episode because the first one as you know i hated with the fire of a thousand sun the second one which is one with the hotel and the clown which was and i was still trying to get into the groove of the show because that again it's it feels episodic it feels like freak of the week like you're like okay we're in a haunted house oh we're never going back to that hotel we're never seeing that clown again and then it's the sea hag and you're like okay this is the monster of the week and it's quite a fun thing but then you get that real sort of creeping dread almost like ringu thing when she's climbing up him and then he reclines the lazy boy and she goes flying over and that that joke that laugh comes out of absolutely nowhere and it just destroyed me i had to rewind it about four times i was like that is masterful but that is that that's what we're talking about is it's the physical comedy that makes sense within the narrative which is just it like you say it comes out of nowhere like horror that comes out of nowhere like those scary things come and how they've done this so seamlessly that is what makes this a masterclass yeah tom on um the mushrooms was just when he realizes he's accidentally taken the mushrooms oh my god it's because also he keeps just like randomly waking up and he's somewhere else and do it and talking to someone else like what is going on did you guys have any idea of the twist did you have any idea that it was going to turn out that ruth was the grandmother and that his not ruth i a hundred percent knew it was going to be his son and look because it was going to be his actual i mean that i thought you knew that episodes in advance it just seemed so obvious but it actually when when we had the kind of like extended genealogy sequence which goes in a different direction that actually threw me because i was expecting her to say oh it's your wife you know that's because and it wasn't so you had the extra step where you had ruth as the extra step uh so that made me doubt it for a while but yes i i had i had picked up on that yeah same yeah but it was still so well well handled though as well and and in the end the separation because you've got the fact that you've got um tom and ruth and his son and his mates his son's stupid mates going down into the dungeons and finding that stuff and the whole community being gathered.

26:15It was very clever. Again, going back to what Guillermo del Toro was saying, narratively, to bring all the threads together in a way that didn't seem contrived and felt authentic and organic was really good. And I thought the whole last episode cut in between those kind of three storyline elements, if you like, was really clever. And the fact that it's Dale that finds the tape and he just sits there and watches it. I mean, it had to be him. Out of everyone, it had to be him. Because he's the one who's going to react the worst, which he just screams, doesn't he, and says we're all going to die.

26:47Which is, you know, it's just everybody in this has been given the lines they've spoken. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it's just like every line that everyone's given, it's perfect for their character. Nothing feels overplayed in any way. Like the example of Dale, the casting, Jeff Hill who plays Dale, who's in that show Somebody Somewhere. Have you seen Somebody Somewhere, Steph? No. I mentioned it. It was on Skype. It was one of those shows that was really understated. It's all about these people gathering in this community who are outsiders. They're like, they're for their sexuality, gender, just general outlook on like nerd, kind of nerdy, nerdishness, if you like, is that a word?

27:29Nerdiness. All right. It's, it's a really lovely show. And it was, it was kind of undervalued and underrated because it was almost so gentle. It was, but he, that was his big break, Jeff Hiller in that. And he's fantastic in that show. And he is amazing at playing outsider-y figures. You can't quite put your finger on what is going on with him. And I think this show is full of, isn't it, weird eccentrics who the more you get to know them, they're actually more multidimensional than you might think they would be. And he's a brilliant example of that, I think. Even the fact that Rosemary runs the restaurant and also works, Dale Dickey's character, also works in the office.

28:07Just the fact that in the small businesses, they all have these multiple jobs. because in episode in the Sunset Cocktails episode episode 4 where just the scene where Patricia is getting ready to have her solo dinner and then she opens it and realises that it's not what she wanted and she makes the phone call and it's so Patricia I'm not even upset I just feel like we've all been there with delivery it's true it's a really good point the other character I thought has a brilliant development in his wick Stephen Roo was wick to start with amazing yeah in that controversial first episode that James and I didn't love I hated him in that episode he was one of the annoying ones yeah he's he's more dialed up than all the other characters yeah right he's very dialed up very over the top too annoying and by a couple of episodes time once you get to know him he's absolutely brilliant and you kind of love him right and you know there's so many important things happen because he's enabling them and making them happen once you understand what his role is i think he becomes so much better but i think and i mentioned this when we first reviewed it the thing i loved about his character straight away is because he's like what's his face in jaws and hey he is that character isn't he um the the guy on the boat why can't remember his name do you know what i mean the guy who drives the boat yes yes jesus christ my brain right so i immediately thought oh he's him and this this this is like jaws so i love that but I know what you mean he's kind of dialed up immediately and everyone else takes time to get there I mean Jaws is a is a big influence it feels like it's got lots of Stephen King in it lots of Jaws lots of Twin Peaks the Wicker Man I think Get Out is also that kind of like you know entering outsider coming into a community with a dark secret type thing it's got so much and but again it doesn't wear them too overtly but equally it doesn't hide them it's very very well calibrated and it ends in such an interesting place because obviously the point is is that they feed the island one sacrifice and then the bell rings eight more times yeah it's still hungry and the idea of course is that they've been feeding this island to keep it satiated and people die when they try to leave because it doesn't want its food source leaving and whether or not it's been manipulating or encouraging or enabling tom to bring in all these tourists but he's basically just brought it this all-you-can-eat buffet meal and it's just like yeah we're on and he can't tell anyone because obviously if he does then evan is yeah yeah that whole by the way that's very good summary that whole relationship between him and evan father and something that's another element on it because i think as well as the as having this of judging the tone of the horror and the comedy so brilliant it's also it's got an emotional undercurrent to it as well and the father son nice moments you know between the two of them are so well done and not too heavy-handed so it's got emotion as well and I think it works really hard to get to the point where you really care about the characters you know to use the cliches of being relatable and all that but they're just again very light touch yeah but very light touch in a very light touch that that relationship between father and son is really really well done yeah and actually I think there's a lot of really kind of tender tender moments even the moment where he's going to kill Ruth and Tom's going to kill Ruth and she says she says well we've weathered storms together before you know he has really touching relationships with all these people and he he loves them he loves these people that are that work for him and a part of his community i think that's really important but yeah it feels like even if you a re-watch of this show you'd love it even more because you'd see other things that you hadn't noticed because there's so much to it and even us just talking about it now it makes me like it even more than i did because i sort of forget these other brilliant things that have happened yeah i would imagine that if you in a few weeks time james will have a full re-watch of it and be championing it as the best show ever it's a great show of all time i'm gonna be in season two it's true yeah and it is a season two right that has been confirmed yes absolutely yeah i mean it's gonna what a challenge though right i mean there's so many threads there's so many things that they that they work so well this and you know they've got the work out for them because the introduction of these kind of mysteries is always the easiest thing it's when you have to develop them and work out what you're going to reveal and make up shit as you go along that's when the wheels can come off so it is going to be challenging to continue i think yeah absolutely but it will help if it wins a shit ton of emmys there's been a whole discussion about where this fits in the emmys because it was submitted for a comedy and people are actually moaning about that and i don't understand why that is because as we've said yes it is a genre mashup but it's definitely comedic you can in much more than the bear yeah exactly like much more than the bear so it's like if you're not going to moan about that don't moan about this because this at least has jokes in it.

32:54Oh, this is the least controversial, you know, Emmy genre mix-up story. It is a comedy, so it's absolutely fine to be in that category. There's no category for horror, is there? That's true. If there was a horror category, then we'd have a discussion here, but it is definitely more comedy than drama. Completely. What a time for Matthew Rees as well, just to say. This is Matthew Rees' year, I said it. It absolutely is. He's done, he's made so many great choices to get to this awards season. this is absolutely going to be his awards season by the way I've met him many I have a mutual friend and absolutely he's a absolutely he's the loveliest guy do you know what I had if there was one person I think you can look at him and you think I bet you're a really lovely person I can't believe you're friends with him you need to get him on mutual friend please drop your close personal friend Matthew Rees a line and get him to come on the podcast and talk about Widows Bay at which point I will make myself scarce lest i have to defend my former position on this show yeah exactly if you listen to the podcast well i i read out you said i fucking hated it it is acutely unfunny i nearly didn't make well i'll be like oh shit exactly yeah okay uh do you know what i didn't ask for listener questions for this partly because we weren't sure when we were recording it if we were recording it what was happening so i don't have any questions that i can put towards people but if you do have widow's bait spoiler questions and you want us to address it then do feel free to send them in anyway and we might address them on the next Pilot Plus and see how that goes.

34:23But we hope you've enjoyed this deep dive into Weirdos Bay, a show that I've always thought is absolute genius. And it took Steph a long time to finish. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. These are the facts and I'm just putting them there. You do with them what you will. You started being a massive shit. You've ended being a massive shit. This is massive shit bookends is what this is. You should never get massive shit bookends. You don't go with anything. Anyway, we're out. We're gone. The bell is tolling. we apparently need to do another eight sacrifices before the next podcast so we will see you then pilot out