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26:40I've said he had a good game. What do you want me to say? Suck him off. I think he's shit though. No, no, no, no. You've said that, but the footnote is always, yeah, but he's dog shit. He is shit. So we expect lower expectations. No, I think the expectations from him this season have went so low that he has one good performance and we're sucking him off. He's got over 20 goals. Yes, but he's playing in an asshole team that's dominant. Look, he can get in the right area and he can score a tap in. He is good at that. Yeah, I agree. Look, he's capable at that part of the job, but no, I think on occasion he might bring something more like he did on the weekend where he can be aggressive with his runs but we never see it it never see it that's half the reason because we don't play that way you think he's good at bringing other players around no really for the level of the best team in the league no quick question I think his hold up play is horrendous especially for being such a big guy I think he's got good movement I think he can finish I think he's quite powerful you see that's what we play he's fucking his first touch is woeful my point about Jokka is right name a game or name multiple games this season where he's been the difference.

27:40Every game he's scored in or done well, I think if you take him out, you'd have won anyway. Wouldn't have beaten Everton. 1-0. He scored a penalty. That's not what I mean. You asked me to name one. I did and you said, well, it's a penalty. It don't count. Yes, but I'm not saying it. But you're asking me to name something like that. Do you not think someone else probably would have scored that penalty? Be honest. There's every chance, but he's the one that did do it, Tom. You asked me to name points. Theo, you're missing the point though. No, I understand what you're saying. And then I'm asking you question.

28:08And then you're saying, but then in games, in games where I want him to step up and do better, Forest away, Wolves away, City in the cup final. Atletico away. Okay. Okay. Well, I've named three. I've named two. Do you name one? Do you want me to go for whatever as well? Do you see what I'm saying? He was the difference maker. He's just maxed out. All I'm trying to say is, I think he's overhated for a bloke that is sort of just doing his job. And he's actually, actually improving over the season for a guy to come to the league. and he got dropped. What do you want us to say about him? I've said he played well, but I don't think he's a good footballer.

28:40I'm sorry. I'm sorry I don't think he's a good footballer. I think you're unable, Lewis, to give any credit to him at all, whatsoever. Wait a second. Theo, I literally didn't say he had a good game. Is that not credit? And then you instantly just say he's fucking dog shit. I didn't say fucking dog shit, but I will say that now. He is fucking dog shit. You did say it. But like I said, he has a good game, but I don't think he's a good footballer. I don't think he's good enough for Arsenal. Now you can say, it's because he's an Arsenal player. I credit Rice, I credit Gabriel, I think Raya's class.

29:07Jokre is his shit mate. I'm sorry, but he can't play good every now and again. a couple of weeks ago, you were agreeing. He scores two against Fulham. Four months ago. I mean, I'm the only one that's really understood. The other week on this, you were like, yeah, he's just not good enough. He isn't the answer. By the way, I don't know if you're listening to me or whatever. I literally agree with you saying he's not the be-all and end-all. I don't think he's the best striking the world. All I'm saying is, I think he's just doing his job. Yeah. I think that's fair. That's not what I've said. You said the other week, you sat here and said, you sat here and said, he's not good enough, but I'm still saying he's still doing his job.

29:37He's just not good enough. Yeah, I'm still saying he's doing his job though. You can still be not really good enough. Not particularly, no. He's doing his job, surely he's good enough? We should have higher standards. He's right there. I think for a starting striker at Arsenal, you can do your job, but that's not always enough. Do you think Miguel Arteta That makes no sense to me at all. That does make sense. Yeah, he's passing a minimum threshold, but for Arsenal, we should have a way better number. Do you think just doing your job is enough? I feel like you disagree with us, but you just... Or do you want someone to go above and beyond?

30:04Or do you want someone to go above and beyond? So you just settle for average? No, I think doing your job for being an Arsenal forward is basically doing what Havertz does and finishing chances. Tom, I don't think that's enough. That's why I think I want better for the club. If Havertz finished his chances, that would be enough for Arsenal. I'm saying I want a bit more for the club. What Jokic does for Arsenal isn't enough. Scoring a few tappings against the shitter teams and then when you really need him. What I mean by this, is Van Persie, all these big strikers, yeah, they did their job, but they did more than that.

30:32It wasn't them just doing their job. You're talking like... Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I expect for an Arsenal or Alexis Sanchez, you can have a... Like Harlan doesn't just do his job. No, yeah. He does way more than that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's not at that level. But I'm saying we want someone at that level. I'd say Calafiori's doing his job. He's not Ashley Cole, but he's doing his job I don't think Jokeres is a passenger for 90 % of your games one thing I'd say about Jokeres as well I feel like I don't think he is now with Jokeres I feel like you're giving him a bit of a get out of jail free card where it's like we brought him in to score against the small teams look there's so many worse strikers in the league who can score against Man City why are we just saying yeah it doesn't matter if he doesn't show up against like these bigger teams when you really need him I think a striker no matter your ability you should be I'm going to score in every game like I don't think Calvert-Lewin goes into any random game against a bigger club.

31:20Calvert-Lewin is always punching up in every game he plays. But like, why does Jokic get our deal free card? I was like, well, we only brought him in to score against like the West Ham. No, no, that's what I'm saying. That's what I agree with you on that one. That's what I'm saying. I mean, I don't want him to do just his job. No, but it's more just a limitation of his play style suits teams that aren't actually as good defense. I don't agree though. But the argument to that is, the two games you've bottled it, well, not bottled it, but the two games you've been really pouring against two of the worst teams in the league, Forest and Wolves away from home he was nowhere to be seen and he was he was shocking at Forest shocking and like so you're telling me he's there to score against the lower teams but not those games just the games where we win 3-0 it's like to which I don't know which one is it he doesn't score against the big teams he doesn't he's when you really need him I don't think he's there like I think if you take Jokeres out the team in the game other than Fulham I thought Fulham he was probably your best player other than the Fulham game this season if you take If you take him out of the games, he's scored in or done well in, which are very minimal, you'd still win those games.

32:22I don't think he's not a difference maker, which for me, the reputation... I think 20 goals a season is probably a difference maker though. It's enough to win you the league. It helps the title, helps get the Champions League final. There's context to it, like I've just explained. If you take those 20 goals out and put fucking Havertz in or Jesus in, I still think you win those games or maybe all... Do you know what I mean? That's just my opinion. I might be wrong, but we'll never know. But I just think he's, it's such, he played great on the weekend, but that isn't enough for me to be a team who are on the beach at home.

32:57You absolutely battered. Yes, he was a big part of it, but just, and we're in April, no, we're in May. We're in May, and it's his first game where I've gone, you know what, fucking brilliant. They've all players that have come to the Prem and not hit the ground running as 6th. That's true. It might be unreal next week. It might be unreal next year, like 100%. I just don't see how he's suddenly going to improve his first touch and improve how he links up. For a top team, you have to have. The thing is, this is what we've seen in the first few weeks of the season. Even if he doesn't improve individually, maybe we play to his strengths more next year rather than playing the traditional way that Arsenal...

33:31You can't, no. Arsenal are never going to... You're one of the best build-up teams in Europe. You're not going to do that. I know Arsenal are top of the league. Maybe that's why they're getting... Well, obviously that's probably why they're getting all the attention. But Reeves made a point there. Do you not think there's a lot of other players for big teams who are sort of getting away with the slander? Who? Vert, Visser, Baltimore. Why are you bringing up Newcastle players? Because they are still a big team. By the way, even on that, Visser has been getting torn to shreds massively. I think we should sell them for 10 million.

34:01I'm not even joking. And also, Verts... I agree, Verts has got away with it. 115, 20 million. Yeah, Verts has been shocking for the price tag. But I think, unfortunately, your eyes don't lie to you. People can see a bit. I honestly think maybe it's just Jokic has his style and he's quite burly and light. He doesn't look good on the eye. So maybe he probably is slated a bit more than he should. Because if you want to just look at it black and white, yeah, his goal return this season has been decent. He's always had a good goal return, though, anywhere he's been. he can score goals but to be centre forward for a team challenging on all four fronts in my opinion he's not enough but I do yeah Virch shocking absolutely honking but I don't know who else but Liverpool have been honking Arsenal are going to get more scrutinised because they're the best team in the league I'm conscious that we've spent 13 minutes on Jokic Reyes there before we've got to touch on Lewis Kelly we'll touch on Saka as well but I just wanted to ask very quickly in a short answer if, would you be happy you're starting number nines next year whatever happened this season was Jokeres or Havits is that enough?

35:14Depends how the rest of the season goes If we win a Premier League I think that's probably sufficient for next year So you think two more games will decide it? You really in the level Three more games Say you win the league right What are we 85 points or something like So you think that's enough for next season We still won the league No I know but Eddie C There's always a caveat There's always a caveat Yeah, because there's context to everything. Yeah, no, but he still won the Premier League, Tom. And we might win the Champions League. We might walk away with a double. And what's the caveat to that?

35:42Cool. The caveat to that is, when Leicester won the Premier League, right, the next season, would you have said, is Christian Fuchs good enough to be the left back for the Premier League winning team? Yeah, he was at the time. That's the wrong player to use. At the time, that's so fair. By your logic, he wouldn't improve anywhere. It's the league, the standard of the league that year dropped. Leicester kind of got away with it, didn't they have it? Robert Huth shouldn't be good enough to be starting for a Premier League winning team should he? That's why he never did ever. If you're talking about a bloke end of the season who's won the Champions League Premier League and scored 25 plus goals surely there's every chance he actually might get better next season.

36:17So that's the question you think I'll give an absolute shot 100 % if we walk away with a double and he's scored 25 goals in the season You'd want him starting every game next season. 100 % 100 % If Julian Alvarez if Julian Alvarez says I want to stand for Arsenal I'll take Alvarez over Jokic but is that realistic? I'm saying if Jokic is going to be our starting number I'll be happy with that but obviously I'm not going to be blind to me like no I wouldn't care that's silly that's silly are you happy if you win next year with them two? I think if we win the Premier League then we should absolutely build on it and get the likes of Julian Alvarez and you know wingers that we probably would need but he didn't ask he didn't ask that's a different question that was obviously why if you win the Premier League whatever happens you win the Premier League If you win the Premier League in the Champions League right this season are you happy with Martinelli starting left wing next season?

37:09Martinelli I think his time has come. I think he's not. Nobody's a double winner Theo? Yeah but Tom your credit has only just begun. We've seen Martinelli for many many years now and I think everyone Would you be happy with Trost starting left wing? No I wouldn't be happy with Trost again with similar but I'm happy with him in the squad player 100%. But the answer with the Alvarez thing that was a different question. Who's your striker for West Brom? Hegebo. Would you be happy with him starting up front next year? Yeah Arsenal What about Mbappe? What? Why don't you sign Mbappe? We're not in the market for Mbappe But you are in the market I know it's a bit of an exaggeration Tom But that's But you'd be A championship striker Who's done well last year No but you would be able to get a good striker You would have won the league That wasn't the question It was like Would you be happy?

37:46No you would have won the league You could have got a better striker Would you see what I'm saying? Would you be happy with Jokka Is starting up front? Yes Would you be happier with Julian Arbor Yes Exactly It was worded incorrectly Would you die for Jokka? I'll tell you what I would die for. Rice in the six. He's been better in the six against Atleti and against Fulham yesterday. And then Lewis Skelly in the eight. He was amazing. Different gravy. Can we calm down? No, he was great. He was great. He beat Fulham. Yeah, but come on. They beat Villa the week before. They were all ill, aren't we?

38:23Lewis Skelly was great. They were ill, aren't we? Very good. They have the flu. It's okay to compliment players while also going best for a last. Is that a tradition going forward? Yeah, but in context, it's a pretty fucking important game. Everyone said it could be a banana skin, and we've gone and beaten them comfortably. True, but the game was done after 10 minutes. You hate Arsenal football. It is insane. It is insane. There is context. You do. I don't like... It's like me going... It takes balls for us to pick the Skelly as a midfielder. Also, Reid, everyone's expecting, by the way, West Ham, West Ham to get a point.

38:57This is the toughest. No, they're not. Are you mental? Everyone is saying West Ham is the hardest game. West Ham, they should sack him. I think you even said that last week. Everyone is saying it. All the pundits are saying it. Because they hope it happens. They should win every game. Everyone is saying West Ham is the toughest game away. West Ham, they're fighting for everything. They're third from bottom. This is my point. This is not a tough game. Everyone online is saying West Ham, they're fighting for their lives. This is the toughest one in the future. They've just got pumped by Brentford.

39:23That's my point. West Ham are shit. If we ask to win against them, obviously they're going to win. Fucking lose, lose. The hardest two games that we had to play were Newcastle and Fulham. The easiest three are still to come. Yes. Everyone is still to come. I promise you, everyone is talking about West Ham. Of course, because it's the next game. It's out of home. Don't get me wrong. I think you draw to West Ham. We'll move on from Arsenal quickly, but Saka looked back to his best. Yeah, he looked brilliant. He's good. I want him back for the meeting. Managing the minutes, though. Yeah, managing the minutes.

39:50How sharp is he as well? That cross you put in for your crazy, he's just... Yeah, Fulham. Also the other flu. You had the flu as well. They left back did not have the flu. Yeah, you beat flu ham, guys. Mate, Villa was shocking, by the way. Spurs are staying up. Oh, my God. How well is that clip going to age, by the way? I'm so annoyed about me. Guys, Spurs. Guess who predicted two-one Spurs? Did you? Yeah, interesting how Emery got cooked for his team selection in Vita Pro. You know how... By the way, anyone crying about that, fuck you. you do exactly the same as you vote for league on the line and champions yeah champions league fucking sure you're not there to help anyone else in the league you're there to serve yourself also did you see the interview afterwards where he lost his head a bit to the interview he's seen you've played seven he went yeah but we lost our last two games so he's like who are you to what's my strongest team yeah yeah yeah he's earned the right to do whatever he wants he lost your fucking pipe down it's really wise it's like when Mick McCarthy he got done for he got fined because he made ten changes he went who the fuck are the Premier League to tell me you're my best team Yeah, exactly.

40:59Who like, if I make 10 changes, then obviously he made 10 more the week after. He didn't get fined for that. Change it right, yeah. Isn't it because there's a Premier League rule that you must feel just strongest available? But how can you prove that? How do you prove that? Because I'd go, I'd have fined Arsenal for starting Jokeres. I saw an interesting tweet about Emre, by the way. You know how he's a fantastic manager, but there was a tweet saying, but he's still never figured out how to balance Premier League and... European football towards the end of the season. They've finished top five last four years.

41:30I know. If you look at it highlighted there, Arsenal in 2019 when he prioritised the Europa League and ended up losing three Premier League games, drawing another, missing out in Champions League qualification and losing in the Europa League final. I'd love it if Forrest could beat them. He's linked to Real Madrid now as well, Emery. Is he? No, he won't go there. Is he? He's not that level, man. Emery, he's the best manager in the world for just the second. Top of the Europa League. Europa League winners. Just the second tier. Great state tier manager ever. Just like you can't He's proven he can't do it At the bigger, bigger club Spurs won two Premier League games In a row, guys Yep

42:07I know it's boring Because I get most things right But told you It was a shit week For people like You liked Hate watching, yeah Yeah, just shit It was a terrible hate watch week It was so bad Yeah, we had a good hate watch For City Let's be honest Spurs are just Way better under De Zerbe Way better Way better The way they press Is just different They just They suffocated Villa. It's amazing what can happen when you've just got a manager who's competent. Have you been impressed with him? Did you see the four-minute speech he had? And he was like, don't cry, losers cry. On Friday, Thursday or Friday, he started the interview off and he did a four-minute talk and he was like, well, if you want to be out there, don't cry, losers cry, we are men and all these kind of things.

42:48How good is a Gallagher goal, though? That was nice. You couldn't get it more in the corner. the Ben podcast where it's like everyone reacts to the Gallagher tapping no it's not Ben it's Seb Seb sorry yeah yeah I think who've they got next Spurs Leeds on Monday yeah oh that's a hard one but Leeds are pretty much safe where's it at Spurs Spurs another win for the Spurs and then Chelsea away then Everton at home I think they'll beat Chelsea yeah Chelsea can't get a job I think Spurs are going to win every game oh my god that'd be so jolly Spurs could finish with Nuka I was not sure take that bet take that bet now we're going by the way I've had a look I forgot about a bet we had as well Lewis oh god you know we had £100 on Newcastle to get top four how much is it oh my god you didn't you didn't it was a very optimistic start of the season we had£100 on Newcastle to get top four we've also had a bet on you owe me and Theo £20 because Wolves haven't finished above West Ham and we've also we've also had a£50 bet on Spurs or Forest to finish his hire and we've had£50.

43:52I said West Ham would go down. You said, let's stay up. So at the minute, at the minute, you can have only about£220. That's a golf club? Yeah, it's just in New York. Wait, did you have Forrest to finish higher? No, I've had Spurs to finish with Forrest. Five points. Okay, I might have win something back there then. We've then prioritised in Europe. That's the thing. Do you know what though, Lou? Newcastle are only two points behind Sunderland. Mate, we're going for Champions League. No, we are. It's statistically possible for us to finish in the Champions League. your mighty magpies. Mate, how weird.

44:26It's Bruno G, mate. He's back. He's literally you can't play football without Bruno G. Genuinely, there is not a team in the world that has more of a one-man team than Newcastle and Bruno G. What happens really in the summer, though? Are you fucked? I actually think we'd rather sell the entire team and only have Bruno on the pitch than get rid of them. Do you not think it's... How do I work? Worrying. No, not worrying. Yes. Annoying. No, more... Really stupid. More do you think you and maybe others overrate the rest of your squad when actually when he hasn't been there? Like, for example, I've been really disappointed with Tonali.

45:03I agree. Since Bruno's been out. And then suddenly, since Bruno's back, he's like a different player. I thought both of them played really well against Arsenal. I think Bruno is just... He just links everything together. Like, the way we got that first goal was like Bruno getting it, having a look, finishing that wide quickly. Demands and expects more on the pitch from players as well. Yeah, he's just, he encapsulates the entire team, doesn't he? He's a leader. Yeah, exactly. You don't know how vocal he is when, you know, it's like losing your entire quarterback, really, at that point, isn't it?

45:31It was a bold team selection. Yeah, so this is one thing that really pissed me off, right? The Newcastle fans. Was Gordon fit? I think he is fit-ish, yeah. He had it all. Oh! Super kinky. I think he's just kinky. I think, right, so a lot of the concern... You know, with Joe Linton off the left, didn't you? Yeah, so, was it not? Yeah, it was. You didn't even bring Gordon on. So a lot of the fucking Newcastle fans have been crying, crying about starting Volta Marda, Whistler, and when that team came out, they were all just like fucking, not all of them, but there's a portion of them who are how-out brigade.

46:05Because Gordon and Volta Marda weren't playing. Yeah, the bench is better than the team, and then we go on and fucking, and do you know what? Honestly, right? Objectively, I completely agree. The bench does look better than the actual team. Yeah, on paper. But bear in mind, none of us see any of them in training. No one sees if anyone's looking for their way out Or looking for a transfer move And Howell said himself after the game By the way, after we fucking won We won the game and you're still criticising him And he said, I went with a team who I knew I could trust and would fight this game We didn't sleep very well Yeah, I felt bad for him That sounds like a bit of a dick I think that shows a little bit where it's like He needs a team who aren't going to shy away He knows they're going to run And then some people are then tweeting Oh, that's bad, he's just showing that he has favourites He fucking won so he does have favourites we already said this I hate that like managers have favourites for a reason yeah because you're going to fight they die for the badge you're going to fight for us in this game when we're absolutely up against it and by the way Willard was fucking unbelievable again Asula unbelievable he's got the second he's second best for goals per minute played this season how do you know these guys are back at Asula because he's a Newcastle player Harland Asula absolutely unreal Dan Byrne criticised for starting and left back again scores a goal and by the way players so good players so good against Minter who everyone said that he was going to get torn apart by Minter gets swapped onto the other wing on the second half because he was getting pocketed by him How weird are Brighton by the way Everyone predicted Brighton during that game They're really good That's their first loss since Arsenal at the start of March Brighton Fabian Herzl has just signed a new long term contract That's good for them Well deserved They still have two points off you We're officially keeping Hal next year as well which is good that's Kermel What, you were in the meeting?

47:48Yeah, well, they actually had all the meetings. He's officially staying. It's all sorted. So I'm happy with it. The Saudis have had enough and they're bored and they're leaving. No, it's because they're now 13th. Oh, no. I think we're going to get a lot of people leaving. So if he's won Tenali, you can have a busy link with Liverpool. Lewis, one person who does look likely to go. Gordon to Barca. Well, their look, the panty medium spin is saying that, but also coming out from Germany today, Bayern have now presented Gordon and his camp concrete figures. It's just now up to an agreement. Yeah, the problem is Bayern and Barca both, we want 80 million for Gordon.

48:2118 million? 80. And both of them are like, not going to pay that. I must be... Rashford's going to go back, isn't he? No, he won't go back to United. I think we'll sell Gordon for 70 to Bayern. Tom, are you surprised that Gordon's going to go to potentially Bayern or Barca? I must watch a different player. I think Gordon's good. I think he's a good player, but I don't see him as like a Bayern Munich level star. I think the thing we're going on is, he has a lot of untapped potential still from what he's shown with us. I think actually what it is, is I'm still stuck in the past a bit of what a winger, a winger in the modern era really needs to be, athletic as fuck, can beat his man and can fin it.

49:02Gordon isn't the most technically gifted player in the world, is he? He's not a Yamal or a dribbler, but he'll run all day. He's athletic and I think... By the way, we are so much worse without him. And he's competent technically enough. People criticise about like Yeah we played well It doesn't mean we can't win a game without him But like when Gordon's People criticise his output It's like oh he only scores penalties Look forget about all that If you watch us with Gordon playing And then without him on the pitch Like it's night and day Like he's so much more aggressive and forward And actually like He's very industrious as well Yeah like he'll Harvey Barnes is like a great finisher But like he's not as quick and as assertive Like he hasn't just got that about him He's not a fast player I just yeah I think Gordon has the qualities you need in the modern day to play for a top team.

49:46I just don't see him as a top winger. I don't know. It's weird. Yeah. Sometimes it takes people leaving to realise that. What if they're going to pay 70, 80 million? I don't think they'd pay that. I think they'd hope to bully us down. And I think we might just sell them anyways. Yeah. I mean, he could probably start. If they don't keep Rashford, he probably would start at Barca. Could be one of them players that just got like, you know, when Diaz left Liverpool, everyone thought is he going to be he'll be great he'll be great look at what happened to Elisa I know Elisa was always going to be an exact player but when he left Palace he just went up a different yeah he's elevated it will be like that Elisa's probably a bit in fact because he was great at Liverpool he's so over blamed for everything by portions of our fans and over blamed by portions of our fans so I think he'll leave and he'll be class the old Manchester Liverpool derby happened over the weekend yeah mate did you see how fuming Carragher was.

50:42Well, he's going to be, isn't he? No, I watched the commentary video. On the way in, I watched the Neville podcast with any of Carragher on. Oh, my God. Yeah, I've seen it. Carragher gets his back on it, doesn't he? God, he's... Nell didn't even see it. Nell doesn't have little nibbles. Yeah. He's fuming. He's a big babby. You don't even watch Liverpool. Yeah. He did say that, didn't he? Well, I do. I do think that first half was so bad. too fair I do think even City showed if you're susceptible on the counter like especially a team like United with the pace they've got man but that first half from Liverpool was just fucking dread like dreadful like they're so slow on the ball like I know Klopp wants to make them more possession based but I don't know I'm amazed they're sticking with him if I'm honest absolutely amazed I was listening to I can't remember what I was listening to but there was a big Liverpool fan on there and he actually summed it up really well about slot I thought he says slot doesn't the reason Klopp are so loved obviously they won stuff but they probably didn't win as much as you probably think in your head how good they were as a team but he he mirrored the fans he played how they wanted to play he was emotional he said slot's too just like just too excuses as well no and he's just too he comes out and he said sometimes I want you to I want you to be emotional I want you to get annoyed I want you to slag people off I want you to say stupid things like Klopp would argue with the reporters and stuff wouldn't he like Slott comes out and it's very like it's almost like he's a cereal killer it's like a jelly bean do you know what I mean he's very just like he reminds me of a jelly bean that's just because he's bold no but he's just like he's just like this little he's just this little thing he's bold you know what I mean and I do also think the team he's trying to make Liverpool doesn't represent Liverpool Liverpool should be this like get at them that's the whole like rock and roll style Klopp had I think really encapsulated what Liverpool is as a city and stuff whereas this like tippy tappy bullshit is not what they should be playing in my opinion Do you think Salah carried him last season and Salah's drop off he's just not been No I think Salah obviously was amazing last year but I do think me personally I'd say it's more to do he's got more of his style on it this year and I think this style just doesn't suit the Premier League nowadays.

53:08Even Pep's changed the way they play, really. City aren't this tiki-taka possession back. Obviously, they do keep a lot of the ball. But even Arsenal. Arsenal are a really good build-up team. They build up fast. Liverpool are so slow, side to side. Well, they're now officially one of the worst. We spoke about him as well before, but missing Luis Diaz is obviously transforming their entire front three already. You've seen him go to the right. But again, his style of play doesn't suit the way Slott wants to play. Of course, yeah. He wants wingers who come in and get on the ball and it's like, fucking no, just get in behind, son.

53:42Yeah. Well, only Leicester City and Chelsea as it stands are the worst title defences ever. That's Leicester after they won it in 16 and Chelsea in 2015. Yeah, I mean... And they've lost 18 games in all competitions. I think they're lucky. I think Liverpool are lucky the standard of the league hasn't been great at the top this year so they're still probably going to finish fourth. Yeah. Or get Champions League. that team does not deserve to get Champions League in a normal year I'd say on the contrary though a team that has now secured Champions League football Manchester United they'll be top of the league from Carrick's appointment you know has he done enough to earn the job?

54:18I still think has your opinions changed? no it's going to wear off eventually he's not like he's won every game he's yeah he's made it like what I will say I think he has done enough but I don't think he'll get the job he hasn't done enough though If you were hiring He couldn't have done much more He's had no injuries He hasn't had to manage Multiple competitions Like Let's not forget This is a bloke Who failed at Middlesbrough really He did good at least He didn't You've got to be picked on What you've done In the current moment You can't just look at Someone's career And be like He's a shit back there If you were the chairman You'd give him full time job Do you think any team In the top six Would look at him If they lost their manager No but I think I think he's done Enough individually To have earned The right to be off of it I don't think he'll get the job though I think they'll go for a bigger better manager I think they should they should go for a world class manager do you think he's bearing in mind how long he's been they're not done enough individually to have earned the offer what more could he have done I don't think he could have done anything to earn the job in my opinion he's never going to get it no I agree with you that I think they need to go in and get a top manager 100 % agree with you but on the contrary to play devil's advocate I think there's nothing more he could have done to try and earn him the job and actually do you think No, I think there is.

55:34He could have done more, yeah. The performance against Leeds was honking. I mean, they are top of the league. I actually thought they were poor at Chelsea and got away with Chelsea not finishing chances. Since his appointment, no team has got more points than them. Yeah, he's done a great job. It doesn't mean that he's ready to lead Man United in a Champions League campaign. In his eyes, perfection wouldn't have put him there anyway. He had to win 100 % of the games. By the way, in a lot of games, United haven't been great under him and have been found out by, like, Still find ways to win, though, to be fair to him.

56:05Do you not, and also, do you not think one thing maybe, I still think they get better, do you not think one thing you maybe need is stability? And by sticking with him, that provides a bit more stability. Yeah, you go. Thank you for settling it down. You've given us a great season. You've put us in Champions League. Thanks, Michael. And Luis Enrique, in your comes. Yeah. Man United in the Champions League. Who do we, anybody we want to see play for them expect to sign for them they'll need some sort of Casemiro replacement I don't know what their money's like at the moment he's basically pulled them through so many games this season and I'm glad to see the revival of Kobe Mayan as well yeah brilliant what a player they're saying one more year for Casemiro that's what they're singing they were singing it at his box yeah mate he's got ahead of every game isn't he their top goal scorer even though the football's left I think Casemiro is the top goal scorer for United this season he's contributed Bruno's on what 20 assists now or is it an FPL assist 19 still doesn't count yeah yeah what are your thoughts on that keeper flicks it by an inch doesn't count as an assist that's as an assist no no I know I don't think it is an assist oh also by the way that's a handball yeah you can see Sesco the backspin on the ball they've apologised didn't they I'm pretty sure PJ and Merle have come out and apologised if you're a Liverpool fan forget about the Pines if you're a Liverpool fan you're fucking livid yeah be more livid at how shit they were yeah but you'd feel robbed yeah of course I think that's imagine that decided a title yeah number one bullshit yeah you can see the backspin of the ball go when he hits it with his fingers yeah Bruno Bruno celebrated that pass like mental though he obviously doesn't go that is an assist in my opinion I hope he doesn't get at me I hope he doesn't get at me I hope he doesn't get at me I hope he doesn't get at me it is an assist you don't just give him it records are there to be broke imagine if you were fucking KDB is that you've just given my record, dick.

57:59It's not his record, though, is it? By the way, there's some bullshit around this fucking assist record. I didn't realise, right, there's a video of all of Henry's assists from the 20 season, and everywhere you see says, I've seen a video, some guy did a video, I think the other day, I was watching it. It says that all 20 were open play. They weren't. Two were corners. Who said that? They were open play. Everywhere, if you look anywhere, like ESPN, Sky Sports themselves said it, like TNT, it's always 20 assists, 20 from open play. Because the other week, they put the thingy up of, because the whole thing about Bruno now is, oh, well, half of them are fucking not being set pieces.

58:38That shouldn't take it away, is it? No, I agree. I think it's a lot. But my point is, they're just lying. So it's become like a... It's become a thing of, Omri got 20 assists, and they're all open play. They just weren't. It's actually a lie. It's like when someone tells you something, and then it goes beyond six people, and then whatever you've told them is strange. Try and find the graphic of... You say something convincingly enough. Are we calling out Sky Sports? My point is, Sky Sports literally have a YouTube video of all of Marie's assists. Two of them are corners. And then they've got a graphic that says 20 assists, 20 open play.

59:12Some pure intern who typed that graphic is just getting it in the arsenal. There you go. 20 assists, 20 open play. It's not true. One was a corner at Man City at Main Road, I'm pretty sure. And then another one was, I think, Spurs. we're going to need to get my blood's boiling off that guys pit side pit side are going to get to the bottom of this you can't be speaking stats lads oh yeah that's two months old as well what disgraceful we will get to the bottom of this and also yeah we will we'll cover this more when we later on the show when we talk about playmakers yeah you 100 % West Ham yeah they were quite unlucky like three times they hit a woodwork I think it was three times wasn't it are we going to talk about how that penalty wasn't given that's bonkers wasn't it What the fuck have they said?

59:55Well, he slipped. Oh! Oh, the gun just went off. I didn't fucking... You still killed him. What do you mean? I actually couldn't believe that. Mate, the referees are shit. I'm not one for conspiracies and all that, but if you are a West Ham fan, you would be going... There is something going on there. I think they want to keep Spurs in the league. It's bonkers, isn't it? I'm so annoyed with West Ham. I'm so annoyed at them. They're not as good as you thought, though, are they? They've been very good. Where was Super Jarrod Bowen? Where's Tati? Tati? How many times do you have the post? Two, three?

1:00:31You still think they're style? Yep. No, you don't. I do. And I will not be putting a bet on Tom because I already owe you 250. Surely the West Ham fixtures are harder than the Spurs ones. Much harder, yeah. Yeah, but I believe in. I think they pick up a point there. Stop. If not, I win. You actually don't believe that. I do because the difference is now it's Arsenal's title to lose again, which means they will bottle it. I think you chat the most shit I've ever known. I'm often correct though. Newcastle and Leeds. West Ham are not, they might get somewhere against Leeds, that's it. Spurs need one win.

1:01:00They're not going to beat us anymore because we're getting Champions League. Exactly. Now we're getting Champions League. Oh yeah, okay, are you? Yeah, GG mate. It's a bit of a shame really, but yeah. Fuck them. Awful week fair. It's good for my league. We had a laugh, with Spurs going down. In the scenario where Villa win the Europe, so then, yes, four get relegated. So like, what is the Conference League? What position would Conference League, Is that down to like eight? Yeah. Well, no. It's good trophy. You're not going to get eight. How many teams get Europa? Two. Two? One. So it would be one person.

1:01:34Sixth. No, sixth might be Champions League. Sixth is Champions League. Then seven is... Eight. Nine. Seven. Yeah. Nine. We all have to get to nine. Top five get Champions League. Sixth gets Europa. Seventh gets... Conference League. But if Villa win... And if Palace win the Conference League as well... So that gives us another spot. It could go down to ninth. Well... I think. Nah. You're going to do it. That'd be right though Yeah Because if If Villa If Villa win the Europa League Six get Champions League And if Palace I know but Palace aren't seventh Are we not forgetting The Sundham might get Europa I could be arse of Conference League I think we're better off without it So it'll go down to Eighth Go down to the relegation zone No It'll just be Seventh gets It drops one place to eight No yeah Seventh will get Europa Yeah Eighth will get Conference League And then Palace will also be In the Europa League So we'll have nine teams in Europe Yeah.

1:02:23You up. You up. Pure domination. Well, yeah, there's every chance that an English team will win all of the European competitions. I really want Bournemouth to get in the Champions League. And they have a good chance. That would be so sick. 3-0 win against Palace boys. They were good, man. Kruppi's the boy. He is. Ryan's pretty good, aren't he? Yeah, he took his goal well. Hey. I know ball guys. We know ball guys. We. I love Ryan as well. Ryan. Palace just have... Palace don't give a fuck about the Premier League. Palace don't give a fuck. They do not give a shit. I saw Wartom rule on the bench, aren't they?

1:02:55They don't give a fucking bother. Somebody knows half time, mate. Yeah. I'm Captain Trooper for that reason. You're the one who captained him, yeah. I remember seeing Trooper captain someone. I was like, I couldn't remember who had him. It was me. He'd take both teams. Yeah, Bomber's pretty bloody good. I really want them in the Champions League. I'm praying. Imagine Barcelona going to Bomber. Do they do as good without Arreola next year? I think so. They're just... They've already appointed their manager, haven't they, for next season? do you think Areola will be thinking shit yes yeah unless he goes to like a can you imagine yeah he's like he might be on his way to Madrid I thought Liverpool but they've said they're keeping him no he just goes to Madrid Areola maybe he was there thinking United maybe he gets the United job yeah that's not by chart it would be if he ends up with like no job next season they're against each other well to be fair he's not going to go to a club that's not in the Champions League is he probably yeah I don't know true he might be jobless if Emi was to leave Villa yeah Bournemouth oh yeah I think if Emi goes he might just go back to Spain and I don't know who's genuinely all the teams that were about sack managers aren't doing it anymore they're not sacking them yeah because the teams are doing successful things he left and there was like a Newcastle job maybe Villa like Man United Liverpool and now no one's leaving do you remember when I said Bournemouth are going to turn it around this season and finish in the top half I think that was to him I think it was all of you No, it wasn't me.

1:04:21You were laughing at me. It wasn't me. Who's laughing now? Final game of the weekend, Wolf Sunderland.

1:04:57It's yeah I really understand that one. But are we really... We'll let you... His head didn't even move. Now, let me tell you something about the common sense rule here, guys. Common sense would have prevailed there. I think we need to start implementing it. What common sense would have done? He didn't mean it. I would have given, like, a yellow because a shirt pull is also a foul. You know what I mean? You have to punish it somehow. Yeah. Anyway, that was the Premier League review. Who gives a fuck about Wolves? They're shit. They're going down. Bottom of the league. Prop, prop, prop up the table.

1:05:26Just wanted to finish with some other bits from outside the Prem. Ipswich back in the Prem. How are you feeling about that? And how do you feel about a bus parade even though you finished second? Let him celebrate, man. Yeah, man. I'm doing the water. Ed Sheeran serenading the dressing room. Fucking class, man. Go Beast mode. Millwall, Southampton, Berahull. Who's going up? Southampton. Saints. Yeah, Southampton. Millwall. It's so annoying. By the way, Berahull's bottled this, haven't he? Darby. Darby bottled it. Darby were in it until they conceded two in the last 15 minutes to lose. They were 1-0 up.

1:05:59They were going to come 6th. So my prediction would have been right. I think 1-1 or Hull's going to be in the player final. Come on, Milwar. I think I do think it's going to be a Saints-Milwar final. I would love Milwar in the Prem just because of that away dressing room. You really overplay this. There hasn't been worse stadiums in the Prem. I know how about that. We all showered. Well, we couldn't shower. We had a bath. I had a massage. It was actually a joke that we got the away dressing room about that game. You had a shower? There were showers? There were showers? Yeah, yeah. I thought it was just a singular bath how did the club get the omen the what the club yeah well they're fucking shit no but also did you see the hearts hearts gonna win the league mate I haven't seen it I called it at the start of the season Wrexham bottled it as well actually just sticking with the NFL for a second did you see Celtic beating Hibs and some of the Hibs fans celebrating yeah did you see the Salford penalty that wasn't given no Cambridge went up right third Salford finished a point behind him because they drew 0-0 at Crawley Can you get this up?

1:07:03Is it just so Stonewall? Oh my It's assault It's Gary Neville really angry I haven't seen his actions before Angy gavel It's fucking criminal That's it Oh what? Are we going to try the replay? What? He's going to cry That's crazy He wiped his entire left leg out of it Look at the ref he wanted there so yeah Salford but they're in the playoffs nothing really happened in League 1 did it Salford during the playoffs yeah because three go up don't they hang on let me have a look but only two go down three automatically go up in League 2 have you seen Newport stayed up as well you've seen York's taking the whole club to Ibiza by the way how many chances did Salford I'm fucking missing everything you see York's taking the entire club not just the players they're already there They're there till Wednesday Even like the dinner ladies And that's class Taking the dinner ladies To Obiefe They're all in Obiefe Aren't they Like security guard Everything man They're all there The whole of York All of York Mate they all look Absolutely bad It does look like Hearts are going to do it though That is Break the mould Mate they used to be My FIFA 2003 A game we should have gone to No FIFA 2005 Career mate What's their full name I don't know Go on have a guess Heart Warriors Heart Vein Artery No Heart Vein Artery Heart of Mythilodian That's cool It was either like In FIFA 2005 You'd either be like Hearts or Yeovil Or Scunthorpe I used to be Yeovil There you go What?

1:08:32The only option They're the three best teams Basically weren't they Yeah When was the last time Someone other than Rangers Salted the equivalent It has been 41 years I think Jesus Well done Aberdeen wasn't it Aberdeen What of Sir Fergie Yeah And some Bits from the Europe They went one Wait so Rangers So now So they're 7 points Out of Rangers And 4 ahead of Celtic Porto have won the title it is 41 year old Thiago Silva claiming his 31st career trophy and then Benfica have gone undefeated and not won the title could still do it I think they've got a couple more games it's almost like going unbeaten isn't that amazing Mourinho to Real Madrid though I'm beating and winning I'm beating and winning that's pretty amazing it's only happened to three teams before Benfica in 78 FC Sheriff in 2025 in Moldova and Red Star Belgrade now Will something I don't know if you heard about this Will it links the potential return of the chosen one.

1:09:24Yeah, I'd love to see that. To where? Real Madrid? A special one. He's going to go back to Real Madrid, mate. Top candidate. Well, he's Perez's top candidate, but then apparently others in the board want Emery, so it's Emery and Mourinho. I'd love Mourinho back. Mourinho would be fun, mate. Actually, I'd love Emery there. Give him gloves. Mourinho back at Madrid would be class. Give it Emery. Anyway, guys, that is the Premier League forward slash the world review. And if you like the EFL review, stay tuned. Oh, foreshadowing A little easter egg for you there Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom Foreshadowing Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom Alright then, lads Now, obviously at the start of the season We sort of predicted Had a look at what our top 10 signings of the season Would end up being Oh, gosh Are we going to look back at them today, Will?

1:10:09Can do Yeah, I'd love to do that I don't want to So with only a few games left of the season to go We're going to be ranking our top 10 signings this season I actually found this quite difficult It is difficult When I looked through There's quite a lot There's a lot of really good signings It kind of depends. A lot of team, a lot of signers that have made a difference to their team. Influential. A lot of influential signers. I always favour like shrewd business, you know, like the unexpected signers. but you do it mainly off how much they were in terms of... You do it, what do you think they're going to be in?

1:10:34You do it like a fucking accountant. No, for example, yeah, but I feel like that's what makes a good transfer, but we'll get into that. It's like, you do it, like Arsenal, Arsenal walk away with the double at the end of the season and you rank Arteta as the 10th worst manager. You're not going to get the dollar You're not going to get anything Yeah so I'm hoping You've done this You might say 500 pounders I don't I'm hoping you've done this list Based on I don't know what I've done actually I'm going to go first Okay I think there's 20 names that could be in this There's a lot of good signings I've chopped and changed My original 10 I've taken 4 out Yeah I've moved mine So many times Over the weekend In 10th And Buemo Yeah I like that Because I do think I think people underplay how much expectation was on a lot of their signings United and they have delivered.

1:11:21He's got a lot of goals this season as well. 9th, Lamons. Yeah, he's been good. Did you know, a little fact about Lamons, he is very close to breaking the most save record in the Premier League in one season. Is he? Really? Very close. The most saves in a season? Yeah. Is that true? He's held by Johnston. Yeah, he's 10 behind. Johnston first. That's bad. Jesus. Pretty mental. That's not a good indication to the defence though. All knowledge. It's quite impressive that they've held as many clean sheets and he saved that money. Yeah, true. I'm hoping he got another player. Eighth, Gahey. Yeah, it's unfortunate that his last night happened.

1:11:55Yeah, but he's been good. But he was, he actually was really good. I think him coming in has helped. In January, I think we all thought City were out the top of the road. 100%. He solidified the defence of Kusunov. Yeah. Seventh, Mukhealy. Yeah, he's phenomenal. There's a lot of Sunderland players who could have gone in. Sunderland was, yeah, they had a great win there, didn't they? Sixth, Kunja. Ooh. I think Cunha's been amazing. Why do you think he's been a better son than Bremel? Because I think their stats are pretty similar, but without the stats... Oh, really? Yeah, he scored like nine and three assists.

1:12:26Oh, wow. I did not know they were that similar. And also, I love Cunha. You know what I think of him. And I just think he's been a difference in a lot of games without scoring. I just love him. I think he's brilliant. Fifth, I'm going to shout out Pedro. Interesting. He's not in high. 15 goals. I think in a struggling Chelsea team, He's been a bit of a shining light. Do you know why I didn't put him in? Because I look at a lot of these times, but to be fair to your point, they may be even lower than him. But I don't see how influential he's been in the Chelsea squad, even though he's actually been one of their best players.

1:13:00He's probably been their best player. He could be bottom half an hour. I feel like he peaked very early. He could score a bicycle kick in a week. He's been scoring lately as well. He's link up playing. He plays different positions. What I mean is, if we'd have done this listing prior to January, I think everyone would probably agree he was like fifth or higher. But the second half of... To back Tom, I've not included him because of the influential thing, but to back Tom, Chelsea have notoriously struggled with number nine. Exactly. And he has come in and just hit the ground running. He's been good, man.

1:13:29He's been better if not the same as Brighton. When he doesn't play as well, there's a massive... Yeah, you're right. The drop off as well. Fourth, I've gone Anton Stack. Yeah. Mate, check out his TikTok. Please. Third, I've gone, this is mainly the price and how good he actually is. I've gone Cherky. Yeah, he's great. Second, friend of the show, Drewsbrill. Yep. First, I think will be unanimous, Xhaka. Oh, there's a name he hasn't included there. I think it's hard to get those a lot of names I've left out. There's a few of us there. There's names here that he's not mentioned. Another goalie. Yeah.

1:14:06I know, but Sunderland's second half of the season. There's only two other goalies there. Two other goalies. Two other goalies. I've got those two other goalies. Two other goalies, yeah. Let's just hear the list, my dude. Go on, Theo, let's hear it. All right, we're going around this way. Yeah, I'll do my own. Tenth, I wanted to give credit to an Arsenal player in this list, but I know it realistically couldn't be too high, but Zubimendi. I feel like halfway through the season, I'll be with you. If he did it in January, he'd say 100%. I agree, yeah. Agreed. I think he's had a big drop-off since January.

1:14:34Stinker! I don't think that's necessary. I think he's the best of the signings we've made. I don't think that makes him top ten. He didn't have to have an Arsenal guy. I think he's a good signing, but I don't think he's top 10. I think he's top 10. I mean, you showed, I know it's against Fulham, but you look, Miles Lewis Skelly just dropped into that midfield next to Declan Rice and moved Declan Rice into the set. I agree with you, my G. I think the fact you've looked better since Rice has dropped deeper is a bad... He started the season, I mean, isn't he? We need two Declan Rices. Yeah. I mean, it's the same logic as the Gael Pedro shot, isn't it?

1:15:04No. Yeah, he was better the first half than he was second. He's been good. What do you want to battle? He hasn't dropped off. he's still useful. No, I forgot Pascal Gross. Grob. Yeah. He's called Grob. By the way, walk nonsense, he actually puts G-R-O-S-S on it now rather than the B. Yeah. Prick. Because people don't really understand. He has been good, but... It's Grob. He's going to say you didn't like that, Theo. You don't seem to like it. Why? He's been... No, he's been good, but I wouldn't... Like, they're doing way better because he's been playing brilliantly and he was two million pounds.

1:15:38Yeah, but... How much did he sell him for, originally? I don't know I don't know Did they resign him in January? It's a bit proper I like it Yeah Eighth I've got Ray and Cherky Seven Robin Roofs I'm pretty sure Yeah Like Out of all the Sunderland players I was close to putting him in But I think Lammons Has probably just edged it Just out of expectation That's fine I do think it is easier to Go on No one expected Sunderland To be where they are True And he's a big part of it Second off the season They have been poor defensively And he hasn't been great I think he's really dropped off Whereas Lamont's has stayed Maybe you were right When you said they should have sold us Oh yeah Sixth Donnarumma Yep I've got a fun fact about Donnarumma and Reeve Go on He's 16 It's a quiz question guys What keeper has prevented The most goals this season?

1:16:29Donnarumma That's quite a leading question Correct Okay nice 4.6 goals this season Yeah I kind of expect him to be great I suppose So Lamont's has made the most saves But Donnarumma's prevented the most goals Yep so Lamin's saving things that aren't on target yeah so like a lot of the Donnarumma saves will be closer to the okay I was picturing like Lamin's saving things that were going up a corner if you make 100 saves that means you've saved 100 goals yeah but in theory it does if it was on target yeah but like it could be like kicks from the halfway line and it dribbles to you I understand but like technically he prevented a goal by stopping the ball hey that's the XG model man yeah that's why it's different fifth I've got Truffert Truffert yeah I thought about him That's quite high though I think he's been excellent All season I think your list has got A lot of names That I haven't got His output ain't been great though Has he got like Three assists He's a defender He's a fullback In the modern day You want your fullbacks To like Assist Well I mean For a team who Is sixth Yeah And you don't think He's been a relatively Integral part to Backline I think he's been good Yeah I'm not I'll just I looked at him and I thought yeah if that's what I'm saying I think fifth is very high fair enough hi fourth Mark Gahey I know obviously it's going to be overshadowed by the mistake last night but in terms of influence to the difference in the backline because he saved everybody knows what I'm talking about and also scored a Belgian goal against Chelsea Hannah Montana okay okay everybody makes mistakes but then everybody knows what I'm talking about wasn't the next lyric so it confused me You're indecisive.

1:18:11I've never added Nickelodeon, so I don't know. That was Disney. I didn't watch Hannibal Tan at all. I watched Drake and Josh. I watched that on YouTube when I was older. And I, Carly. The working class gimmick again from these fair nights. Go on. Third, front of the show, two's Brewer. Second, in terms of the position he had to fill and the expectations and how well he's done this season, I do have Lamons. And then first, first, Brandon Xhaka. So go on, why is High's second for Lamons? Because the crisis they had in goal was like he is right to go from a nana to a guy that nobody had ever heard of like this new rookie player yeah when Martinos was there but cheap as well yeah for like 10 mil or whatever it was 18 I think it was was it 18 yeah and for him to have been as influential to deciding Manchester United's fate this season I think that's probably a great bit of business where does he rank amongst the Premier League keepers how high would you have him for the season for this season how many are better than him top five this season Ray Adonaruma Lamons Roofs Pickford maybe yeah yeah for sure are we missing anyone Martinez Nick Paul Poo sorry sorry Poo Nick Poo Nick Poo Habit guys okay my list is very different from everyone's but we said we know we said there'd be like 20 circulating names Baltimore oh I wish I could put Baltimore on if he leaves I'm going to cry by the way 10th I've got Cavalow in Lewin obviously came for now did his job I had him on my list of potentials that spree he went on spurred on Leeds very well do you think Leeds should keep him next season yeah definitely they'll keep him can't get rid of unless they want to just randomly cash in and don't back him to keep him he's still 23 he's 23 year old he bullied Man United sorry Calvary Loon is playing football without any injuries they should just keep doing what they're doing and here's a reminder that we opted to spend£150 million on strikers rather than get him on a three.

1:20:07So that was quite fun. Ninth, Gehe. Gehe. Eighth, Semenuel. Not on anyone's... I thought of him, but he came in, did well, and then I think he's kind of dropped off a bit. And it's only off a season. That's the only reason. I wanted to put Cherky in my list, so it was a bit like... So, Luton, we haven't had Semenuel yet. Sign in January. Despite that, why is he in the top ten? Obviously, we don't know what's going to go on after last night's result, but he played a big part in... I still think they're going to want to win it. he played a big part in Spurnault I do agree when someone joins halfway through the season I'm less inclined to put them in but what's his goal I think he's got like nine goal contributions in 11 games Semenya's settled in so well I do think it's like nine goal contributions in 11 games which is just very good I don't think it's easy for the likes of I think it shows how good Semenya and Gehi were to go from no disrespect the smaller club to step up to Manchester City which is a different level that is impressive hell yeah my G credit where credit's due guys that is so official Oh, yeah.

1:21:06Sure. Seventh, I've got Rufus. Sixth. Oh, you've got a Sunday living. You're going to have two Sunday players in there.

1:21:18Sixth, I've got Chao. Played 50. Fuck off me. No, you haven't. I have. You think he's been better? He's been shocking in the last few months. He's played 50 games for us, been an absolute staple. You got worse this season. You got worse I disagree He's had his bad games He's been poor In the last few months He's came in for 30 million Played 50 games Scored about Like 8 goals Played very well Consistently In a backline Lewis Lewis You know how I just said to you Lewis It's really not You know how I just said to you You've got worse This season And you said I disagree What do you mean by that No no I thought you meant He's got worse You said you lot have got worse Poor choice No we Well no we've stayed at the same level Of shit I'd argue Mate you finished 5th last season you've got fucking words he's going to be in my worst in terms of the signing this guy is he's playing very good this season he's contributed goals he's actually yes he's had bad games but he's playing he's playing in a very he's playing in a very bad team but he's signed for 30 million and like mate you've what are you saying 30 million like that's not a lot it's not for a centre-half of his he's young and he's got the attributes that he has to continue in future seasons 100 % a good one when he first came in he was great he's been poor recently.

1:22:34We talked about first half of the season he said he had one of the best centre-backs in the league. Centre-backs. Mate, you've considered 51 goals in the Premier League. Yeah, that's more than Forest Bay. Come on, man. We've had a terrible season but Chau's been a better signing than Rufus. He's part of that. He's a part of that. Why is he better than Rufus? Yeah, that's mental. He's had very good games in our team this season and for the price tag and for the amount of how young he is, the physical attributes he has, he's a fantastic signer. Just because the team's done Just because the team's done bad doesn't mean this is...

1:23:05He's a brilliant signer and a brilliant find. So is Aldereta in your team? No, I can't put too many fucking of them in. He should be ahead of Chau. So you should have Aldereta in or Mukherjeele or they've conceded less goals in Europe and you're in the league. Unfortunately, my list, my rules. You think he's been a better sign in the game, really? No, I've made my argument but you don't like my argument. Your argument is look where you are in the league, look how bad... Yes, but I still maintain this good signer. You honestly think Chau has made more of a difference at Newcastle than Gay Desert City?

1:23:32well no I've already said previously I can answer that already so I've already said previously I'd take a little bit off if someone joined half of the season secondly everyone knew Gehe was a home run sign everyone knew that was great Chao when we signed him actually their fans were happy to get rid of Gehe was cheaper than Chao yes at 20 mil that's not even what I said no but I'm saying in your eyes that should influence even more you're actually not answering the question because you're not letting me you've just interrupted me you're actually not answering the question I definitely did I said do you think Chao has had more more of an impact at Newcastle than Gehi has at City.

1:24:03That's what I asked you. Yes, so I'm going to answer why he's above him in the list. Oh, so you do think he's at more of an impact? No, but I'm not judging it. No, actually, that's not why he's above the list. I'm explaining why he's above. I'm trying to explain to you. Yeah, but I ask you a different question. Okay, let me explain to you. So the reason that Chow's in is because Gehi is an easy sign. Everyone knows he's going to be really good. Chow came with a reputation of he's a bit rash. He's not ready. He wasn't necessarily starting every game for AC Milan and he's came in and he's played 50 games for us on a low fee to Newcastle.

1:24:31Oh, low fee? 30 million for the standard of a defender he is is really good. You see, he couldn't even get an AC Milan squad. 30 million? Yes, and he's turned out and he's played 50 games. Yes, so that depends what he's worth. 30 million for an AC Milan sub. He's been cheap. By the way, Theo, that's a good sign if you sign to one who didn't even stop AC Milan and then he comes in and he's a staple in your defence. Lewis, a staple in one of the worst defences in the league? What are you on about? Again, if you want to judge the signing of Chao by the performance of the team, fair enough I'm not doing that I understand that it doesn't make him a bad signing though does it he's had multiple stinkers Tom I don't think he's been a bad signing I don't I think he's been a good signing I think he's been a brilliant signing he hasn't been a brilliant signing in my opinion you still haven't answered my question do you think who has had more impact on their team I wouldn't even say it's like Gahey necessarily has had more but by the way that's not even that's not even that's not the parameters I'm judging this list of DCL's had more impact on Leeds I have literally just explained it.

1:25:30Gae's had more impact in our season. DCL has had as well. And for less money from a lower team. Yes. So the reason I put Chau ahead of him, like I just said, Gae joined halfway through the season. What about DCL? Again, I'm trying to answer the question, but you keep going meh, meh, meh. Oh, angry. So he joined halfway through the season. Like I said, I take some off for Gae. And then also, Chau was a bit more of a shrewd signing, isn't it? Gae, everyone knows Gae's going to be great. He's primarily proven. He's been brilliant at Palace. Chau is a bit more of a shrewd signing because he's from a different division I think signing an England starting centre half for 20 million is a lot more shrewd than paying 30 million for AC Milan's sub he has his contract though isn't he so he's more shrewd what are you about how is 30 million are we acting like 30 million like 5 million when I'm saying shrewd you've just ignored what I said Gehi's been playing in the Premier League for years he's been brilliant for Palace led them to a trophy yes The reason I put Chow ahead in my signings the way I'm judging it is because I think because Chow came out of nowhere in terms of Gehie to Chow which is the bigger name I think that's a better signing because it's a clever bit of business We couldn't have signed Gehie could we?

1:26:37But we've got a defender We've got a defender who had times of playing at just the high of a standard this season to Newcastle It's a good deal Man City signing Gehie who is a top centre-back and everyone knows He's a better deal Yes but it's Man City Newcastle can't go get Gehie for 20 million That's not fair but that's why it's a good sign because you have to be when you're a club you can't get those players you have to be more shrewd in the market I'm getting Chow who doesn't start for AC Milan you've paid more money for a centre-half who's worse that isn't shrewd do you think Muscara's been a better centre-half but Gehi is a one-off in terms of his contract situation his fee was so low because of his contract so like so it's but it's unfair you're not listening to what I'm saying at all I really am listening but you don't know what shrewd means Man City have got assigned one of the best centre-halves in the league for£20 million.

1:27:26Yes, I understand it's because of his contract. That shrewd business. You've paid£30 million for an AC Milan sub who's come in, been decent, been good. Been very good. He's been very good at times. He's also been very bad in quite a few games. He's had a couple off games. He's in a team that's been playing really bad. He's come into a team and been a part of one of the worst defences in the league. That's shrewd. But again, you're not listening to, I say, when I make a minus... I'm not listening because I am. You actually aren't listening. Because when I'm deciding who goes ahead in my list, it's Gehi was definitely going to be a good signing.

1:28:02Chow was, there was a bit of risk involved. Hang on. So yours is actually yours is done off expert. It's an obvious sign that anyone at this table could have been in charge of my city. Everyone knew you're a good signing. Your list is therefore done off expectations how you thought people would play when they came in, right? So if that's the case. you're putting words in my mouth you've just said that you said Gaye's lower because people expected him to be that good I've not done it on a strict list of all this I've already said previously six months he had six months of the season he's been there for a few months so he's marked down on that alone we keep just ignoring that point I wasn't bringing up Mark Gahey again though but I was going to say if that's the case of you saying people's expectations of how they've come and turned up at the club that they got signed by why is Calvo Leuwe not head of Malik Chao because no one had any expectations of Calvert-Lewin?

1:28:52I don't know, to be fair. Okay, fair enough. Why not Alderay? I don't feel like, do you think Calvert-Lewin's been a better signing than Charles? Yes! Yes! I don't think so. For a free transfer that he's got like 14 goals in the Premier League. Yeah, fair enough. No, the Calvert-Lewin ones are fair enough. But no one had any expectations of Calvert-Lewin. People thought he was washed. No, and to be fair, on that standpoint, yeah, but then also that Calvert-Lewin point goes for everyone at this table so far. Yeah, I should have... I wouldn't have put him top 10. Oh, I forgot about Calvert-Lew. No, no, I probably made a mistake having Calvert-Lew in below him, yeah.

1:29:27But like, that doesn't change my argument about Cal being in the list altogether. Sure. I just, all I'm asking, Lou, is you keep telling me that you're answering my question, but you actually didn't answer my question. No, Theo, you weren't. Who has had more impact on their team since joining, Cal or Gehi? But even if I say Gehi... I don't know the answer. But that's a fair question. No, no, even if I say Gehi now, that isn't... That means you haven't listened to the 15-minute conversation Oh, I know. I listened. I sat there listening. So why are you asking that question? I'm just intrigued what you think of the answer.

1:29:53But we've just been out talking about it. Lewis, it's a different question to what we're asking. Okay. Oh my God, you're not listening. But that's not how I'm judging my list. That's not how I'm judging my list. It depends if you wear black and white stripes. That's how you judge it. What do you think? We've just spoke about this for like 15 minutes. I wouldn't have to chat in the top 20. I didn't even consider him like the top 25 people to think of. They've been so bad defensively. It's not like he stood out like a sore thumb and been so good It's everyone else's fault. They've been so bad defensively and thrown away so many leads as a centre-half to be involved.

1:30:23One of the worst defences in the league. For£30 million. But again, we talk about context. This Newcastle defence has been absolutely ravaged with injuries. You've had Liverman out. You've had Trippier out. You've had Hall out. He hasn't had his centre-back partner. Shah's been out. Botman's come back in and out. So he's actually been the only staple. The goalkeeper's image. Every single position around him has been changing constantly. That makes it worse. He's been the one who's always been there. Conceiving the goals. No, but if we're actually talking genuinely, that stuff matters. And he's the only one who's been there as a staple.

1:30:54And whilst every single position around him has changed. Yeah, no, that's not fair. But that's completely, that's fair. And I think there are reasons why, there have been a reason why Newcastle's defence has been as poor as it's been. But the bottom line is, he's been involved in that shocking defence all season. So I'm not saying he's been a bad signing. No one here has said he's a bad signing or a bad player. I think Charles a good centre half and I think he's a good signing we're talking about the top 10 signings in the Prem all season and you're bringing up things that are like well even though we've conceded a million goals it's because we haven't but you've still done it whereas Alderetti's conceded way less goals to you in a way worse team I've already got two something players in this list less money Alderetti yeah like 10 million I think you are but in a team that have just been promoted Newcastle you thought they were going to finish third even Gehi was cheaper and the way he solidified City's defence and come into that and just hit the ground running.

1:31:45I think it's been... And there's way more expectations. Yeah, 100%. It seems to be a tougher job. I just think, realistically, you've put him in because he plays for Newcastle. Just admit it. No, that definitely gets you. That always gets you bonus points. But it doesn't mean anything I've said doesn't have any liability of what I think. It doesn't have validity of what I think. Again, we keep ignoring the thing. We keep going back to Gehi. It's like, I've said a lot and said before I even saw my list. I put weight on that. Yeah, that's fair enough. But I have two something players. In here, realistically you could stack five some of the players into this list it would be a bit of a boring list you can you can no but it's a bit of a shit list and also it would be better than putting Chow and also I'm not doing it I disagree I think he's a great signer I think he's a great signer and a big thing for Chow is I think as we go on years moving forward I think Chow's going to only improve like this is his first season he's doing it again he's doing it again well this is the argument you gave against Jokeres in five years he's going to win the Ballon d 'Or but I don't think Jokeres is going to get better mate Coyote's been a better signer I don't think Yoko Reza's going to get better.

1:32:43I think so is. Now I see what we're doing here. We're just chucking all the honourable mentions in it. Yeah. That we want to mention. Fernandes at West Ham. Mateus Fernandes. Fifth, I've got Mbwemo. Coyote signed last season, didn't he? Did he? Yeah. For sure. I've just checked. He signed on loan. Oh, and then he got made permanent? Yeah, yeah. Well, I took out. Fifth, I've got Mbwemo. Fourth, Cherokee. Third, Stach. Second, Eketika. I know he's not been at his absolute first. Oh, my God. I'm standing by it. I am. Okay, it comes down to, trust me, like this season, I know, I understand. 80 million?

1:33:18Yes, I understand at this point in the season, like he hasn't, he's been a bit hit and miss injuries and all that. But trust me, like if you're looking at, no, you're looking at a position where in world football, there's a shortage of players where it's like at that real top level. He isn't at that top level? Yes, I understand that. But he's a very young player and he is 100%. I said at the start of the season, he will surpass the ability of like the E's. Oh, what, going on about what's going to happen in five years? Tom, Tom, Tom, I decide how I judge my list. Why do you struggle with this? No, because if I sign...

1:33:47Who's been the best starting this season? Because if I sign a youngster, I'm not going to judge him off his ability now. I'm going to judge him... It's the same argument... Why is Esteban not in your list then? It's the same... I'm saying it's the same argument that we've made previously in this season about Esteban. He's not in there. I don't think he's shown as much that excites me compared to Ekotika. What? Oh, jeez. I think Ekotika is in a position where there's a worldwide shortage Let me finish. Ekotiki's in a position where there's a... I'm just explaining my point. Ekotiki's in a position where there's a worldwide shortage of players.

1:34:18Now, you can say... You can't say, judging off the years coming, well, that's how I judge a good signing. Sometimes, if you sign an 18-year-old... By the way, the concept is written on the paragraph. It doesn't say you can't take into account if you think this young player will come good. You're picking Chusler. That's why we're asking, where's Ryan? Where's Esteval? All these players on the list. There's a lot of good signings. like what do you want again once again I think it's that thing of Ekotiki is a great signing for Liverpool it's a really good signing for him and he's done really well I don't think he's top 10 the second by the way me putting him second isn't a sign of like that's a sign of how highly I rate him and how much I think he is going to excel at Liverpool he's had a tricky first I know but clearly I think he has a higher ceiling than you but for example Calvert-Lewin scored more goals than him and he's been signed yeah even Krupe Jr call me crazy I think Ekotiki has a higher ceiling than Carvert-Lewin.

1:35:09I think Eketika's going to go on and dominate his role. It's not who has the highest ceiling list. It's a best transfer list and I think when you sign a young player and he already hits the ground. He's doing the best signings this season. Yes. And when you sign a young player, Tom, it comes into account of how good can they be as well. That's why you sign a young player for their potential. be going forward? He's only going to get worse. He's shit. Why has he got more goals though? What? Where's Kruppi in your list? Because he's got more than Eketika. Not on the list, yeah. there's a lot of players look we can raise a million players you put him second do you think he's the second best signing this season yeah I love Ekotiga I think he's great he went about three months without scoring I know but like there's no point in you getting angry at me for rating a player highly like I really like Ekotiga I think he's going to be great I'm frustrated so he's second in my list I'm just frustrated at how like you haven't based it on who's been the best signing this season you're basing it on who you think in three years is going to be the best player so therefore that's not how it works at all by the way that's not how it works at all because I'm the only one who has Calvert-Lewin on my list.

1:36:07It's a mixture depending on the player. Ekotika is clearly brought in to perform now. He's been good this season, not at his very best, but also to take the team forward in seasons going on because he was supposed to be the understudy to Izak. Now, I think... He's going to be. No, he's not. Next season, it'll be Ekotika. It won't be. It's Achilles. It will be. Again, this is where the difference of opinion comes in. He's out for a year. It's my list, isn't it? He's out for a year with his Achilles, so he won't be back next season. No, he's not. It's a year. It's a half a year. Oh, shit. Well, seconds probably is a bit brutal, though.

1:36:35You didn't know he's out for a year. I didn't think it was a year. Yeah. It could end up being a year and a half. Nah, it'll be all right. Do you know how bad a Snapped Achilles is? No. Well, that's what they call it. It took Gazzola like five years to get back. That was like a throwback. That's one of the worst lists you've ever done. I haven't even done one, has it? It's not done. What's one? Xhaka. Hey. Well, no, but... Jaco in four years isn't going to be winning Ballon d 'Or. But he's high above the level of Sunderland coming up. Oh, right. Makes sense. No Kiernan. You two were giving it a big in where a lot of your arguments works against you not including Carvert-Lewin into your office.

1:37:12I said I forgot him. I should have had Carvert-Lewin in my list 100%. I think because there was no transfer fee when I was going through him he just didn't come up. It's hard to get good free transfers. I just completely forgot. But we also did have the discussion that there's like 20 names in circulation you just have to be a bit brutal. and one of them wasn't Charles no it was it was Eketike what do you think of that Will what's that Eketike second yeah yeah I wouldn't have him in the top 10 I think Eketike started the first six months he'd be up there yeah that's what we said about this about us Charles not going to be the top five defenders also his argument of oh well the money blah blah blah shouldn't Eketike deliver 11 goals for 80 million yeah I know but Jokic has got more and 30 million less.

1:37:59But you're buying a lot more than the goals with Eketika, aren't you really? Like if we're comparing him to Jokre's, I mean, we're going again back to the argument we had to start with. That's an agenda now. It's not an agenda. Eketika brings clearly so much more to a team than what Jokre's doing. Go on then, one by one, who's been the better sign on Jokre's at Eketika? That can't even be a question. I'd go Eketika, yeah. Current moment in time. Current moment in time, I'd go Jokre's. I mean, you have to, but he's injured for the next year. I mean, 80 million 30 million less and they've already got he's got to pay his wages and just let him rehab yeah actually you know what it's one of the worst title defences in history compared to a Premier League Champions League double winner that was another thing he came in to the best team in the league true yeah one thing I would say just to play Devils and defend Lewis is that you know Isaac Verts Salah they hadn't been performing and at times Ekitige was the one who would try to move over that he's a great I think he's been a really good signing I do also think he got away Doesn't he cost more than Burnley's ever spending?

1:38:57Didn't he go three months without scoring? Or two months? That's shocking. I've got Eketika part of my honourable mentions. My 15 honourable mentions that I'm chucking out every now and again. Kind of Theo. I forgot Theo to go after that fucking... I need a break after hearing that. In 10, I got Valtimada. You put Chow in? No, I don't. Chow in. Chow's been great, mate. That's for next week. When he wins the Prem next year. Fucking great. Nearly dragged us into relegation Battle for the weekend But yeah It's fucking brilliant We're getting Champions League Looking brilliant We're getting Champions League Oh my god We've only conceded 85 goals He's fucking great We're getting Champions League He's absolutely great We're finishing sixth Oh my god You called him the best centre-back In the league at one point I don't think I did Earlier this season you did I really don't think I did In January you were saying He's better than Saliba I think we're just lying now You put him top ten in the world Oh yeah he was in there Oh he was He was in there Not anymore.

1:39:54Well, I'd have to go back and make me list. I know. Hincapio alone has been better than Chow. He actually has. He's in class. He's going to win the double. And mascara. Go on, Theodore. In 10, I got Mwemo. In 9, I got Friend of the Show, Drewsbury. Oh, you didn't even have Drewsbury? I forgot about him. Friend of the Show. Sorry, Drew. In 8, I got Robin Reefs, as I spelt. Reefs here. In 7, I got Cherky. 6, Gay He. 5, Anton Stack and I think when he returned from injury a couple weeks ago I think you'd just notice how good he's brilliant and just check out his TikTok it's so good 5, I've got Anton Stack 4, I've got Donnarumma 3, Mukiele 2, Lamons 1, Xhaka yeah man I love that Lamons there's like a there's a world shortage of free kick goals this season I think like Stack got one I think they all fucking cross it in I think like Prowse is not getting in the Burleys team I think like the person yeah, so Bosley's got like 3 and then like there's 2 and then two and then the rest of the list is just one, one, one, one.

1:40:55Madison's been out and that's all. That's what it is. Honourable mention that no one had but I initially had him was Siddiqui. Yeah. That's what it was. Stacks five for many goals have been scored from outside the box. No players scored. More this time. Leveling some men should we see our top ten from the start of the season? Yeah. Predictions. I feel like, is this the one where it's going to be like Verts and stuff will all be in there, isn't it? I think I had Sessco first because I thought we were going to get him. We're going to start with Tom. Do you know what's quite impressive about all of these signings?

1:41:24It's that the smaller teams like Sunderland and Leeds the teams that came up have made really impactful signings and actually have paid off. Yes, other than Burnham. Other than Burnham. It is hard for them to attract them, isn't it? Sunderland is so impressive because of the amount. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they literally did need a new team. Do you not feel it is more difficult to make... If you're a big club obviously every signing that you have is way more scrutinized so it's tough to always... Make a big impact. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Do you know what I mean? whereas you overlook the smaller team signings a little bit until you watch them play but if you go like Leeds for example the players that have stood out for them this season have been their new signings for sure absolutely very quickly unanimously Xhaka yeah number one phenomenal go on let's hear a bit about him why is he number one there's a culture change as well and when he hasn't played you just see the difference he brings the most out of all the players in that club he's the captain there's been games where like he's come up against the best teams in the league and he's been the best player on the pitch and it's like he's just what a career turnaround since when obviously he got booed off go in there and make it about yourself but it is though prior to that he was sort of known as shit Xhaka and just like fucking annoyingly he's actually so good that the only reason he went to join Sunderland he's never going to make experience is he yeah he went for a relegation I reckon he should come to the Albion he just keeps having a goal down do you think Xhaka stays at Sunderland by the way yeah wait we're not trying to get back to Arsenal, man.

1:42:49One relegation battle. Right, let's see what stinkers I said. So, start with Tom. We're all going to have that. At 10. He was all right. I know. Oh, you've gone too quick. Whoa. What the hell? Yeah, come on then. Kunja. Ka-ching. You need to read them all out. Right, in 10, I had Malik Jouf. Mate, he's the real deal with him. I mean, I had him 10. That's not that bad. Now, you were bigging him up at the start. He was all right, man. He got his transfer marker up on that. 9th, Kunja. That's fucking... That's good. 8th, Jouzbryor. good 7th who was that 7th verse I think it was my player of the year as well I think a lot in our defence in fact he is for no reason I went with Truffaut yeah he's been good he's been good 5th Kelleher he's been great that's actually a good shout I forgot about him 4th he's in consideration Rinders he's after that Wolves game he's after that Wolves game isn't it mad how easy 3rd he's been injured Pep just if you're not in favour you're just done He was the best midfielder.

1:43:48Second shall Pedro. That weren't bad either. Also, by the way, Kudus was good for Spurs when he wasn't injured as well. That's what I mean. That's all right. That's decent. Other than birds and roinders. I don't mind that. I think we'll all have roinders. Did we do this after Izak got injured or something? We did it. We did it. We did it just it was when Izak was on the verge. Yeah. I remember I remember mostly All he's except Lewis said he'd be in your top 10. Like two or three games into the season, this isn't it? Because I said Wolves would have a good season and he ran all over him. So I was like, oh.

1:44:23Who have we got next, Will? Is it me? We've got you, mate. Oh, nice. Whoa! 10, Cunha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 9th, Eze. That's not our end. 240 million, Eze. He's gone up again. 8th, Cudis. 7th, Truffert. Similar to where I ended up for me. You know that None of us knew about True Fade It was after a few games Yeah mate All of this is after like Game 3 or 4 in the season Yeah Because Rangers is in there Yeah yeah yeah We got Isn't it funny Five Jao Paulinho Damn Isn't it funny You're a big Jao Paulinho fan Aren't you He's great at football Isn't it funny how Two weeks of football All of our opinions Just go Oh my god Getting along Our Premier League season Yeah Fourth

1:45:11He's been good mate I think Theo Might have him higher I think I might have him first. That's Jack Grealish. Apatili got injured as well. Two Joe Pedro and one Eketiki, I think. Yeah, there we go. Oh, we both had Eketiki. He looked good at starting. I thought Jackie G was going to kick off as well. Who's that first game? Was it Bournemouth? They were lucky that. He scored the opening goal of the season. Bournemouth, he looked so good. And in the charity shield. Yeah. We'll do Theo next. Mine's the worst. He said that. Maybe last though. 10th to his bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the shot. Go on. Yeah, it's fine.

1:45:42Read him out. Kudus in nine. Juice Bool in ten. Jacker. First one. First one to have him. The only one to have Jacker in there. That's their fucking play, man. I reckon you laughed at me. I don't think we did. Seven Jacker. Oh, Jacker in. That's all right. Six. Eketike. Bit lower down. That's accurate. That's a good shot. Jalpedro in five. Bro's cooking. Four. Rain. Yeah, we've all got excited. Rain Dears in three. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Two Yoparrest. Oh, you're good. The number one. The number one is great. Mate, that was such a... 10 to 6 was like really good do you know what I've done there like top 5 to 10 I've actually like used my brain yeah and then the rest of them yeah fuck it I'm an Arsenal fan what Vurts I was a big Vurts fan at the start of the season double down with player of the season as well didn't you right I did double down I thought he was going to cook man ladies and gentlemen please brace yourself because I definitely have Newcastle players in mind 100 % here we go I mean I know Langer's going to be in here quickly if you had to choose one person that's going to be in Lewis's list who would be Langer Valtemada.

1:46:43Chouan signed. Valtemada? Vissa. He'll be in. Oh, is he injured though? You signed him when he was injured. I'd like to think of Valtemada. Sesko would have been there because he thought he was going to sign them. I think I had Sesko. I don't know though, because this was - And Alanga. If this happened in the season, then it won't happen. When did he sign him? Alanga, Alanga. All right, let's find out. Alanga. Let's see it. Tenth. Oh, I've finished your job. And you haven't done him now. I forgot, I forgot. Nine. Ninth, Sean. Delete. at the time though I thought he was going to be like their jacker you know what I mean no that's their that's Amphadou no they're just being unbiased no in fairness that wasn't a like he went into a promoted side and he's been playing well for us he can't get a game yeah but yeah but at the time obviously like he's going to a promoted side like he wasn't quite good enough for us we're judging it now yeah no but at the time it wasn't mental he literally can't get a game no yeah he hasn't played he can't start 10 Premier League games a season anyways I didn't think I'd have Sean long stuff in there Sorry Sean Eight Is that Pailinia She's gonna be Seventh Carlo I remember we were arguing about this I said they were gonna spearhead and fall in He said he was free Wait did you think Burnley were gonna stay up No I just remember I can't Don't remember what I thought But I remember my argument was Like he's gonna be their Xhaka Like experience You know treble winner I thought you got Xhaka in there No but all of yours are done monetarily That's why this list looks like Yeah maybe Hopefully he's a free Yeah okay nevermind Yeah yeah yeah Fifth, Jao Pedro.

1:48:12Okay, we're back on track. Fourth, Jack Relish. Third, Xhaka. I got him the highest. Randy is second and first. Eketika, I'm guessing. Well, not a single Newcastle player. That was shocking. I'm quite surprised. We must have been, if we were a few games in, we were already shit. Yeah, like that list, actually. That's all right. I have Xhaka the highest. That is not all right. That's true, actually. I have Xhaka the highest, who we all agree is the best. Sunderland fan, right? Wait, where did I put Xhaka? You put Kyle Walker in? He could have spinned. They've conceded about 100 goals. You could have spearheaded them for them.

1:48:42That's mental, isn't it? Well, that's why I put Chow in. Well, let us know in the comments who had the best list this time and last time. And also why Lewis is... You had the worst list then and now. I think I'm going to get dubs in the chat. I think they're going to listen to reason.

1:49:03Welcome back to Pitchside, ladies and gentlemen, where today we are actually being very smart, aren't we? No. And very... They already don't believe that. Yes, very intellectual. We are going to be tier list ranking the greatest Premier League playmakers of all. But why is that, Theo? Why are we having that discussion? Bruno! Because Bruno is very close to equaling... Yeah, but saying Bruno. To equaling not only on Rees, but also Kevin De Bruyne. It was even closer. It was literally a fingertip away from being... He's got three games to get two assists to beat it. Yeah, currently on 19. Do you think he'll do it?

1:49:42I already did think he'll do it. There's voodoo on it. I told you there's voodoo on it. I'll think he'll do it. Go ahead and do it first, he'll do it. They play Chelsea next, right? Oh no, is that Liverpool? Actually, yeah, surely he does. Yeah. We're going to be doing this tier list slightly differently. So we're going to be basically putting them in one by one. Yeah. So we're starting off with Bruno Fernandes. He has to go in at one. Then the next player will go above or below. Yeah, so where we choose... Until we build our top 10. Yeah, the players will displace other players because we can't have three number ones, et cetera.

1:50:10You know? First thing, lads, also, how would we define a playmaker? Someone who creates chances. Splits defences. I think a final third player. And probably someone that prioritises creativity over... Just, yeah, chance creation. That's it. Simple. Do you need a lot of assists for this then? Because some of these have got more than... No, you can sort of create it and... I don't think necessarily because... You can spread it to the wing and then the wing I'd consider Iniesta a playmaker but I don't think he has tons and tons of assists. Yeah. He's got less than Xavi at Borussia hasn't he? Which is quite...

1:50:42Possibly, yeah. But I don't think he necessarily... Do you consider Bellingham a playmaker? No. Is that kind of like... Even though he's the 10 and creates the city he's not... I wouldn't consider him a playmaker. It's not always necessarily making the final pass, is it? He's a fucking... He's a... Foden. He's cattle. Yeah. Foden on the other hand, playmaker. Well, let's crack on them boys. I'll reveal the players now. We'll start with Bruno. Can we put him in at number one, please, Will? Just a quick one on him. 70 assists in 227 games. Will he come, you know, will we look back on him as one of the all-time greats?

1:51:13Yes. No. Why? Because he needs the trophies. I think he's a level below the De Bruyne's, Gerrard's, Lampard. Yeah. Like an actual level? Or is he just... Do you think Parvitt's nostalgia? No. he can't lace David Silva's boots. I do agree with that. But then I try, but I know I hate this man. He's probably, I don't know if it's inspires. Obviously, yeah, because preferentially it's who you like, but are they not slightly different player profiles? Of course, but I can't, I can't change that. I've got to, I've got to rate them as they are. And I think, I'd put Fernandes in like the same sort of category as a matter.

1:51:57Oh, he's better than matter. He's better than matter. I'm not sure. Matt was good though. Matt at Chelsea. No, I know, I know, I know. But I think Bruno... No, but when we're talking, I'd put him in that tier. Whereas the top tier would be like De Bruyne, Fabregas, David Silva. Yeah, I don't disagree. I'm not saying... Is there anything you'd have to do between now and the end of his career in the Premier League to be in that tier? Or have you already made that decision? I'm not sure because I've watched him. I know what he is. I'd put Matt with a Cazorla than Bruno. In fairness, like... No, Matt was a bit better.

1:52:29he did more than in fairness what more could he have done you know what I mean because let's face it he has been playing in like a poor Man United in comparison to like previous players and all these players in the list have been playing in like the top teams like of their history I know but does that define him as like he's done his job so like the all time greats like say De Bruyne De Bruyne he tried to say well he played in a team that won he made them win and he was the best player in that team he plays devil's advocate then moving on to the second player Ozil didn't get the titles. But he's a better playmaker than Bruno.

1:53:03He's a better playmaker but I'd put him on the same sort of level. Now we're getting into the territory of I'm a bit unsure. Real Madrid Ozil. Yeah, that's what I'm about to say is that wide. Even Arsenal Ozil is a different class. I feel like Ozil's got I think a load. I'd say Bruno in the Prem has been better than Ozil in the Prem. Yeah, I agree with that. Are we doing this strictly off Prem performance or taking in the careers? I think it's only careers as a player. Premier League. I'd put Ozil below him then. Okay, yeah. Yeah. 54 assists in 184 games 2 are we yeah I mean Bruno's just shot one assist every three that's a that's decent so it's Erdl well David Beckham next I'll lie and use a bit more I was a bit young Beckham's better I mean that is that's kind of entirely his game isn't it but that's literally all Beckham did create chances set pieces crosses Crosses Passes I'd put Beckham ahead of Fernandes I'd argue Beckham's underrated as a footballer because of his celebrity status and also because of the generation of football viewers now that are just too young to have watched him like in his pomp you know I barely have too many memories and that would have been like five I think how many times Beckham has just dragged his team and like I know Bruno has as well but Beckham has so many moments where he's the one that has made the difference that's not a better playmaker.

1:54:27Is that a nostalgia thing? That's also not a better playmaker. That's different. Scoring three kicks in the last minute. Is that playmaking? That's not playmaking. See what I mean? We're talking about who's the better playmaker. Well, he got 80 assists and 265 appearances. That's pretty good. Yeah, so I mean, at the moment, everyone's just shy of like 15 in a season from right mid, yeah. I'll do it with Beckham personally, but it took you a lot. I'll go with it. I'll take your boys. Do you know what? Azizal right. No, he did it around Madrid as well. Yeah, let's put Beckham top then, we'll say it moves.

1:54:58And for the Galaxy. And AC Milan and PSG. Yeah, but we have to say base it on Prem, don't we, sure? Oh, we're talking about this man. Phil Foden. Phil Foden. 31 and 221. 31 assists in 221 games? He's behind all these, isn't he, really? He's bottom. Yeah, he's last. He's last. Oh, wow. I did not know it was that. Are you sure about that? I do think Foden's great at dribbling past a few to open it up, which does create chances. But in terms of pure... Pocky assists. In terms of pure chance creation, I do think there's an element of being a playmaker. It doesn't always have to be the final pass. Yeah, and he's amazing at the one or two touch, like third man running as well.

1:55:36You realise people only get the assist that if the goal goes in, but the amount of chances that Beckham and Bruno would have been created every single game. We have the argument over is an assist harder than a goal? Does scoring goal count as being a playmaker? No. There's what they call the pre-assist as well, the ball that cuts it through. I think like, like, he's just below these. I feel like the best playmakers do that. It's not always like necessarily the final pass. It's like you take it from deep, you build up, then you find the pass that creates. I wouldn't be surprised if Foden has the most goals out of the four of them though.

1:56:09Yeah. Because he plays more in the final third, the others drop deep. I can't believe Foden's only ever got eight assists in a single campaign in the Prem. Well, he's behind us I reckon. Must be, yeah. He must have got like 12 goals. Yeah, put him in that 6-10 for now. I'll do the fourth and then he can move down to best way to do it. Cesc Fabregas got to go to number one, right? Yeah, he's the best. 111 assists and 350 appearances. So less assist to game ratio than all of them. Don't know. Just shy of one in three again, isn't it? Yeah, I guess so. So they're all on the same. About the same then, isn't it?

1:56:4918 assists. Was that for Arsenal? And Chelsea. And Chelsea. 14-15 Chelsea. Oh, sorry, I thought you meant the overall. I'd have him top for now. Yeah, he's the best out of the five. Can't be crazy though, I think you'd knock him straight back off now. I agree. Why is that mugshot so... I fucking... I actually love David Silva with a passion. I think David Silva's top. He's unbelievable. Yeah, David Silva's top. Fabregas was a lot deeper. He was, yeah. He ran with the ball a lot more as well. Who? He travelled, Fabregas. He travelled from deep with the ball quite a lot. Arsene he did. Not Chelsea.

1:57:23I only remember him at Arsenal. I think... Davos Silva is what I picture when I think of a playmaker. Yeah, if you were to draw a playmaker, it's him. Small, nimble, technical... Is that what he's left-footed? No, the little gap passes in between the centre-half and the back, he was magical. Seeing things people just don't see. Do you know what he was amazing at? The reverse pass. You wouldn't... You wouldn't see it. You'd be like, how does he see it? Yeah. he's so horny yeah you know what Enzo made a pass at the weekend and Palmer at the back post don't you dare put him in the same breath and I thought how the hell has Enzo seen that pass well he's quite a good footballer mate he's bought for 100 million pounds yeah to be fair he's won the World Cup mate well you off Bergkamp all time oh yeah again though we're a bit young different type of player by the way again if you think a playmaker Dennis Bergkamp is exactly that pretty much identical assist to game ratio is David Silva Bergkamp's up there for sure I'm too young How mad is he He's got pretty much The same assist To game ratio As David Silva 94 and 315 93 and 310 I'd put him Just below Ozil I think I mean He's above Ozil That one's been Printed off wrong No we're not saying He's a better player here He's Oh He's got I mean I'll trust you He's on this Because like His best assist season Was when I was Two months old He did drop in Didn't he And he had them little delicate balls out yeah he could just he played football with grace that isn't what we're talking about Vios I know has he got a better assist to game ratio than Ozil that looks pretty similar no Ozil's is better I think Reeve maths Doctor 94 and 315 or 54 and 184 Berkham's got better I think Berkham's is it really yeah I think Berkham's second to David Silva no possibly quite possibly it's hard he's not better than Sesc I think he might he's not no but I think Sesc pure playmaking no because Bergkamp scored as well okay fine I'll put him I'll put him behind Fabregas ahead of Beckham yeah as a playmaker yeah you think he's a better playmaker than Beckham yeah I do but we think differently different style of playmaker yeah the player profile that he had he was like a tall he played centrally no no no he was a beautiful elegant footballer who fit he brought wingers into play by playmaking them Yeah, go on, I'll give you it.

1:59:50Thank you. So where are we putting him? Above Bex. But his downside is he's more of a hybrid. No. Do you know what I mean? Whereas David Silva is just a primary player. That's what I mean. I think, yeah. I don't mind him there, though, actually, to be fair. Riyad Mahrez. Oh. So fucking good. Beautiful player. 61 assists. This is going to start getting really hard, you know. Not the biggest ratio, but he got a lot of goals. and he was probably you know cursed to be in the sub for a lot of those like the appearances are going to be he's come off yeah Maris can start all the time I think he's just ahead of Foden me personally it's going to get brutal here but like as a playmaker I consider Maris scoring more than that's what I mean if we're talking about playmaking he's not a better playmaker than Ozil he's not a better playmaker than Foden I don't think I think I might agree I don't think he is Foden brings other players into play way more than Maris did To be fair though Maris has got double the assists in like Again but it's not always necessarily a belt But he was playing for Leicester as well I know but like Maris is the kind of player that Foden would pass to after he's done his playmaking shit in the middle Alright he's ahead of Foden, he's less than Urzel though Yeah, I don't mind being ahead of Foden but I don't think he's ahead of Urzel That's tough isn't it, he's still playing today isn't he Maris?

2:01:12Milner's bottom Put him in the bottom one. The reason I put Milner in is he's in the top 10. Is this a sign that assists don't mean everything or is that just because it's longevity? It's longevity. That's why he's got so many assists. Don't get me wrong, great player, great servant. He's not a playmaker. I wouldn't consider Milner a playmaker. No. Santi Cazorla. You know, just on the Morris point, do you find it harder to think of wingers as playmakers as well? Probably, yeah. Sometimes, yeah. They're almost semi-focal points for... Yeah, but I guess they technically are. Docu's technically a playmaker.

2:01:41They should be playmakers, though. I think we do tend to think of playmakers as tens and midfielders but in the modern day, yeah, for sure. By the end of this, a central midfielder will be Noamorn. Which is crazy to think when in reality, wingers should be in that conversation as well. Somebody who I've not put in this list of 25, I might be wrong, might be Raheem Sterling. Do you think Raheem Sterling should have been in this list? No, he was more of a finisher. Goal scorer. He's got 60 other cents. I mean, I'd have him more of as a playmaker than Milner. but yeah certainly Cazorla though boys I'd put Cazorla ahead of Mahrez below her I don't mind that yeah beautiful football I could find left foot right foot that has to he had so many strings through his bow he would ask what foot he wants to take the corner with yeah yeah I think remember his free kick set piece taking when you think about his primary objective is just to do that as well yeah true you know why I love that free kick so much because it was like one of the first ones was Spider Cam mate it was cool yeah Spider Cam so good yeah Cazorla Go above Mahrez, please.

2:02:42And then drop Milner. Milner. That's your top 10 there so far. Yeah, okay. Yeah, true. Ericsson. Ericsson. Well, he's 78 assists in 310 appearances. He's got 15 assists. He's behind Forden. I like Ericsson. What? I think he's behind Forden. No chance. I think he is. I think he's above Cazorla. Yeah, I was about to say that. Fucking hell. I like Ericsson. Ericsson is the definition of a play, man. I understand. And he played for, although they had a great spell when he was there, but before that like an average season 15 assists in one season that's crazy also by the way because he only got 11 twice yeah that's good yeah he's good Eric are you set-piece taken oh mate I forget about set-pieces I was just more thinking about like but the thread the balls he'd thread through oh mate unbelievable his entire game was built around just creating chances I feel like Forden's like a bit I feel like we're doing Forden a bit dirty here like when he was at his absolute fucking top but he was scoring he wasn't assisting he was just playmaking Forden's best points so he's like close control dribbling.

2:03:40Yeah, I feel bad for Ford to keep moving down this list though. I feel like as a playmaker, he's great. Yeah, he's in the top 10. For now. He's not going to be at the end of this. I'd put him below. I mean, I'm out of the world, yeah. Yeah. There you go. I'd be tempted to possibly put him in my head. Gerrard. No. I don't consider him a playmaker. I don't think of him as a playmaker. He actually was. I think of him as a match winner. He brought Torres into play, but all these players into play. If Fred passes, he whip crosses in. We're not saying none of these don't do this, but... 13 assists. Considering he played in the league for, what, 20 years?

2:04:15That was his best tally. What was his average? He was the focal point of it. He wasn't the playmaker. He's more of a hybrid. I think the playmaker would pass to. Would you not describe Gerrard as a playmaker? No, I'd consider him an all-round footballer. Yeah, I think the playmaker passes to him to score. He can playmake, but he's not a playmaker per se. Gerrard would dictate games. he'd win the ball like Kante's not he wouldn't say Kante's a playmaker but he could but he didn't get the goals or assists that Gerrard would Kante What? What's goals got to do with this? You're saying you're using Kante as an example.

2:04:51Of the ability to playmate, but not primarily a playmate. Yeah, but Gerard's got far more assists than a Kante. Yeah. You think Kante's got 90 assists? Have a look at how many assists. Put a bet on it. Who are you looking for? N 'Golo Kante. I reckon Kante's not far off that. 90 assists in N 'Golo Kante. Oh, God. He's talking about 17. No, he's talking about assist to games, but yes. I reckon that's not that far off, is it? What? 17? Ever. Gerrard is like 90 and 500. I think it's way higher. Gerrard is 90. Not close at all. No way near it. 17 and 90. What's happening? Yeah, I mean. You can't do math.

2:05:28I think that's a little kind of stinker from you. So imagine how I said that. We've seen 17. And then he was going, I think you might be surprised. And I'm like, well, we've just looked at both the numbers. So I don't. Yeah, I think he gets to about 40. No one mentioned that in a comment. But he was actually like, there was new. I was joking about the math. Oh, yeah. I thought he had a lot more received than that. He always had it. It was almost like there was new information to call. I thought he had like 40, 50 assists. Nah, that's because they stopped counting them. I think you might be surprised, lad.

2:05:54But yeah, but we're in agreement Gerard's not a playmaker. We're going to tie it up bare. We are in agreement Gerard's not a playmaker. So where are you playing him? There's no way. Here you are. Above Milanette? Yeah. But people are going to see this and be like, oh, they got Gerard that low, but it's not going to see the conversation. It's from pure playmaking. It's the attribute of the score. He brought players in. he did he was he was everything he was a playmaker he was one of the best playmakers in the league you don't think of him as just that though no I know he's not a player this isn't a list of who's the best player no I know but he's talking his playmaking ability I think he was a better playmaker than Foden agreed even when he played out on the right he was bringing in crosses like a Beckham word if we're doing this then you might as well put him ahead of Mahrez because Mahrez was also like we've said ourselves associate with goals I don't mind that yeah Yeah, do it And then I feel Then you can't go ahead of Yeah, Santi Cazola And then there you go Alright, we've got Ryan Giggs next Or next Rather than next 162 assists And 632 appearances He's got 12 assists twice Giggs has got to be high though Just like When he was a winger A flying winger Oh The winger debate again Yeah, but he was pure He just Beats man, whip it in That was old school 4-4-2 United on it Same sort of vibe as Beckham Isn't it really?

2:07:12I'd have him above Gerrard for sure less than Sante I think that's a nice spot there yeah well Amaris down to 11th yes there's a lot more names to come here Bruce I know so Amaris is at the top 10 Giggs is in at 9 the most assists in Premier League history in at 9 he's played for like 55 years didn't he yeah 630 to a pin Hazard ha ha cheesy peeps 15 assists in a season 54 and 245 appearances. It's quite a low ratio. I know. He made shit though. He was the king of the pre-assist, wasn't he? And I think he beat four, slide it through in this one. Yeah, I think that's what a playmaker is because you've done, realistically, you've done all the work and now you've got this square across the box and you get the assist.

2:08:02I can't lie. If we're talking pure playmaking, I'd do it. I think I'd have him tough. No, you wouldn't. He's not better than David Silva at playmaking. Don't do it to David Silva. David Silva is the playmaker. Yeah, I think maybe second then. I don't mind that. Pick the ball up in your own half, beat four men, slide the left back in. He'd cut it across, that'd score. Best dribber of all time, for sure. Yeah, see, we got to cycle a lot of part of him. That's got to be part of it, though, isn't it? Sterling's a dribbler, but he's a goal for it. I know, but Sterling wasn't. No, he was a bit more, he was a bit more pacey, and it's like Jordan.

2:08:32We've punished Foden for this exact thing. We didn't punish him for it. He's in bottom tier. But Hazard was like unstoppable, though. At dribbling? He's not. Yeah, but isn't that part of the game? You wouldn't think of Hazard as, oh, look at him, thread the needle, and I'll have a pass. What? Like, as passes and stuff. You don't think of Hazard as that player. I would. That's exactly what he did. I think of it about him beating people and, yeah, getting it. And then passing a goal scorer. I'm talking about spreading a pass, though. I know, but that comes after you beat them. Like, you unlock the defence and then you find the pass.

2:08:59Hmm. But that's what we handed Gerrard for. It's just like the argument of what is a playmaker, then? Yeah, it is. So this is, the definition might be different for everybody. I think, obviously, is Fabregas more of a playmaker than Hazard? The essence... Yeah. Yeah, but it's already considering him more of a playmaker. Was he a better playmaker? I think the essence of a playmaker is passing, isn't it? Mainly. Yeah. If you have a chance and you've had to choose Hazard or Fabregas to go create you a chance on this attack, you would choose Hazard. You go on Hazard? It's like Gorg makes something.

2:09:30Yeah, but there's more Yeah, because you're asking him to do it. You're asking him to do it. I'll get Messi makes and just do it through the defence. Yeah, Messi's the best playmaker of all time. Yeah, that's a great example, thank you for helping my argument I was more focusing on his dribbling ability yeah but that's be honest amazing dribbler be honest you'd pick Hazard wouldn't you because you'd fancy him to create a chance and playmaker put Fabregas in the 10 and Hazard on the right that wouldn't be that's not the question Hazard on the left I think I agree with second so we're putting him second I can't put him above I think Seski's just more of a quintessential playmaker when you think of the entire style of football that's built around.

2:10:10I get what you mean, yeah. I'll give you... Hazard is obviously just, I think, a more complete footballer. Who do you choose on that attack? On that attack, you choose an Hazard or Fabregas? Yeah, but in my mind, you're like creating the play. It's different to being the play that is great. Yeah, there's not just what... That's what I'm saying. If you're a first player, you can't buy one thing. That as well. You could be a playmaker. I think Hazard's a better playmaker than Bergkamp. Bergkamp's got almost double the assist in 50 more games. But playmaking isn't only the pass. You can beat a man and unlock a defence and that is creating a chance.

2:10:38Again, we have just said he's kind of the king of the pre-assists, isn't he, Hazard? Which I know people are going to hate. Pre-assists, but it is... It's a bit like that. You remember that famous Burnley goal, which Fabreg has passed to Scherler. Hazard creates that, but then the pass is amazing. So who made that goal? Do you know what I mean? Because the pass is crazy from Cesc, but it comes from Hazard's play and opening it up. He dragged five people with him because he beat five and he opened it up. A lot of centre-halves do that. For me, I think it's... Do you know what I mean? I think Hazard's...

2:11:16A lot of centre-halves can do that to play the multiple devil's advocate there. Wait, sorry, what? A lot of centre-halves can dribble through defensive and then play it to the attacker who can make the chance. How many do that for you? Fabian Scher. Vandervin, Fabian Scher. What? How are they? Saliba, get real. What? Right, for that alone, we should put Hazard's second. I think he's I think Bergkamp's still better Odga third yeah third I think yeah Mount Vortard below Berge no Bergkamp no he's above Bergkamp definitely no that's outvoted above Bergkamp no way I want him second I want him second never mind third blood are you losing your mind oh he's trying to that's crazy clip farm this is this is a really interesting one oh Henri get your tingles I mean he's just the best player on the list he's the best player on the list but pure playmaking the best playmaker you got 20 assists in a season so that's playmaker that's what we're talking about two of the corners we're coming back to the thing of he created goals as well as sports yeah but we're coming back to the thing of so that's being a playmaker I don't think in that season where he got 20 assists he's created more chances than other people on this list with less assists in their prime seasons do you see what I'm saying but you don't know that I don't know that but I'm guessing I'm totally guessing I don't think I'll have the numbers for that the average would say the average would say the best season for example Normally Normally On average The more assists you get Are the more chances you're creating On average No but we were We were talking about Before like the pre-assist And creating So actually If you were to hazard a guess It would be Henri created more chances It's not as black and white Because there are more assists If you were using logic Obviously That was what you'd say It's not as black and white As only assists though We've said that Absolutely But yeah We're averages We've said it It's not as black and white As only assists We have said that I know I know But I'm saying On average The more assists you get In a season Usually means more Chances you're creating I think it's where you're playing on the pitch, though.

2:13:02It's not as black and white as that. I disagree. I'm not saying it's black and white. I'm saying usually. I don't necessarily agree. I think, I don't know. Don't worry, he's such a trickle. I can't categorise him because, to me, he's not a playmaker. He's just the most complete forward that's ever been in the Prem. And playmaker's part of that, is it not? Yeah, of course. He did playmaker. Is he the best playmaker? I don't think he's the best. No, no, no. But this is the question we have to answer. Is he a better playmaker than Bergkamp? No. He's not, is he? No, yeah, exactly. But obviously in that season, he was just so good.

2:13:36It's hard, man. It's hard. I'd love to look at the chances created stats for that season. I'd love to look at that. I know obviously it's not about stats, but actually this time it sort of is. But I would just love to see what is everything else outside of the goals and assists. What I mean is half of Andre's game, right, of creating an assist for some of her chances because he dribbled through four people. Well, that's a hazard argument. I know I know yeah but the reason why David Silva and Cesc are still above them is because their game is totally built around yeah creativity passing which is what we said at the beginning the definition of the eye but not to the level we feel ahead of Beckham then he's got 20 more assists than Hazard in 10 more games pretty much I don't think he's he's not a better playmaker than Hazard is he got a better playmaking record but like then we may as well just do the top assists per game yeah but then Then it's an eye test question, isn't it?

2:14:33Above Beckham. I've watched a lot of Tierra Rea in my life. So have I. But I don't think he's a better out-and-out playmaker than Bergkamp, for example. Do you? I don't know. I think Bergkamp's better than Hazard. That's been done now. I would go Silva, Fabregas, Bergkamp, Henri, Hazard. That's what I would do. That's what Beckham down to six. That's what I would do. No, we've agreed on Hazard. I do agree Henri has to be in the same tier, though. but I don't think he's top three. He's better than Beckham. Yeah, I'm saying put him ahead of Beckham and then drop Beckham down, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, that's the discussion.

2:15:07We'll work up an honorary. That? Yeah, and then Beckham down to six. That means Giggs is at your top ten. Yeah, first. Harry Kane's an interesting one, isn't he? Oh. Because he actually is more like a CDM playmaker. Yeah, he's fucking good. The way he brings other players into play. I was like against PSG, summed it up. But we are talking Premier League Harry Kane. Oh, shit, yeah. You know, he still did it in the prems, though. He didn't drop as much for Spurs as England or Bayern Munich, does he? 14 assists in 2020-21 season. Yeah, and then he's... Him and Son. 46 in 320 games. That's like...

2:15:43He's a goal scorer. He's down at the bottom, Eddie. He's Blofoden. This is Premier League, by the way. Yeah. He's Blofoden. Let's talk about now then. Is he the best playmaker in the world now as well as the best goal scorer? Don't watch him week in, week out. No. When you see him in the Champions League, Jamal's the best playmaker in the world yeah Bruno's a playmaker as well he's fucking good by the way though like Kane's amazing he's one of the best players in the world no he's not but look think of it like this Kane can drop in he can he can make brilliant passes but like I know the one against PSG that was incredible but how many like can you think of when you think of Harry Kane do you think of him like doing that it's not that often no you you think of his goals first, but there are so many occasions where you can just, you know, catch your eye back.

2:16:31He's actually great at bringing other players into play to return the favour to get him on the end of the crosses. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Do you know what I mean? King of pre-assist. No. Pre-assist to itself. But this is, he's not the ultimate playmaker because he doesn't prioritise playmaking. Yeah. Yeah. That's why we should be here. It's weird because it's not his job. But people would sacrifice other parts of their game to be the best. I'd rather have Bruno in the 10 than Kane. Yeah, it's a good question. Yeah. Fair point. All right, Juan Matar. Oh, mate, he was so good. 54 assists and 278 appearances.

2:17:01Yeah, that's not too good in comparison to the others. But his playmaking was fucking horny. He was good, but there's some good names on him. 13 assists. I'd have him fucking hell. I'd have him... I also think it's time that Bov Casola has tarnished it a little bit. I think Casola is better. And that may be an Arsenal bias, but... I think I agree with you. I think Casola had more to his game. I know it's not just about that. I do. I think Cazola's ahead of Matt. Yeah. And then you have gigs straight behind him and then it's fucking hell, this is brutal. Is this unanimous then? Oh, that feels weird, doesn't it?

2:17:35Does it? Matt was so good. No, no, I'm not denying he's not that good. He's classmate. He's not that good. But when we're talking about, like he's in the same, when you talk about pure playmaker, that's what he is. He is, yeah. That was entirely his game, right? Whereas I don't think, Cazola was like a deeper role, wasn't he usually? Yeah. You just come and collect the ball. I'd have him with Booker's order, but... Modric. Modric. I think he's trying to be relevant. Ooh la la. 15 assists and 127 appearances, eight in one season. Good play, him. He suffers a little bit from, like, Gerrard tax a bit, in that he's almost too complete to be just a playmaker.

2:18:12And he was more of a... He gave the ball. He gave the ball to the playmakers. He wouldn't necessarily play, mate. Yeah. Like, I think he gives the ball to the playmakers, and he gets the assists every now and again. Yeah, that's what I think Are we considering him a playmaker? Yeah I'd put him maybe around Like tempo control almost I don't know Is it like around Mahrez? I think he's below Foden Oh Not as a footballer As a playmaker He's probably one of the best on the list As a footballer Is he not below Kane then?

2:18:41I mean This list is fucking brutal Mate, you only got 15 assists in 127 games I'll put him below Kane Sure Luka Modric is the worst playmaker on this team what about James Milner he's better than Milner but again we're not in the Premier League he wasn't he scored a few bangers he gave the ball to the playmakers that's not his job and to run and pass to Van der Vaart

2:19:16De Bruyne's top he's number one which pushes on actually doesn't need a discussion is that unquestionable yeah yeah yeah best playmaker of pro league history why would you all say that because he is just really good isn't he the best passer we've ever seen in the league yeah makes me sad he could also run past players to create he could do things with a football that I don't think other people in the promo have ever been able to do either foot set piece taking long passes short passes and made it look easy breaking the line split like just everything he had everything he was actually quite fast as well he was rapid where where would you rank amongst the best players in the Premier League I think he's the best refielder ever I think he's the best refielder ever have we got De Bruyne's record here I'm putting it on my little bit of paper 119 and 288 so by far and away the best ratio 20 and 19 20 18 and 16 and 17 16 and 22 like that level of consistency to get that many out of assists it's four seasons with 16 plus and it was very high non set piece assists as well.

2:20:18Yeah. What about Wazza? Wayne Wooney. Wazza Rooney. 103 assists and 490. I did not realise his level of output on assists. Yeah. That's not how I remember him in my head though. That's not. At all. That's not that amazing, mate. I didn't know he had over 100. That's similar to Gerrard. Almost one in five. I don't think of him as a playmaker. No. I don't. I think he's more of a hybrid again. I'd put him in and around Kane. Probably above Kane. Below Fordham? Yeah, if it's Premier League it's a Bufkin that seems criminal doesn't it yeah that's not his game though Son 71 and 333 he got 10 assists in three different seasons again I really don't think of him as that style you see him as more of a goal scorer he was yeah focal point in my mind Kane's the one creating it for him which I know doesn't sound right correct he definitely did have that step over beat his man then whip it in and stuff or cut it back but overall I think he was more of a scorer.

2:21:20Wasn't he one of the most over-performing finishers in Europe? Is he a part of the Hedger club? He's got the best goal per game. Goal per chance ratio, whatever. Keir and Son do have the most combined goals in Premier League history as well, don't they? I'd have him... Below Rooney? Below Wazea. Or below Kane, maybe. Oh, God. I don't know. I don't know where to put him. I feel it feels weird because he is a little bit more of a playmaker than them he I'd have him above Kane above Rooney I wouldn't have him above Rooney I think he might have to though why why because he he's more of a playmaker he got 10 assists on three different seasons Rooney got 11 once well fine put him above Rooney yeah so he but then he also got then he's got to go above he's got to go above Foden That knocks Milner out Oh shit There's people that didn't even make it Oh what Oh no This is fucking real Salah's got to go top five He has to I don't like Salah He has to Yeah All he did is cut in on his left And fucking curl it in That's not an assist No I'm saying that's all he did He just scored Mate the way he brings other players And strikes into He doesn't know exactly I think about him like that He's actually really selfish I feel like he gets it, cuts it on his left and has a shot.

2:22:44That's all that comes to my own. He's got... 18 assists. He's got more than Beckham now, hasn't he? I do think one thing we need to bear in mind is more goals are scored in the modern era. So, like, the likes of Bergkamp aren't going to have... Bergkamp, I did have a very good record, ironically. I know, that's what I'm saying. So, I think it's more impressive if you had higher numbers back then. I cannot have Salah above Beckham as a playmaker. Is Salah a better playmaker than Ozil? Bruno? Bruno, in terms of chance creation per game? Just because he gets assists doesn't matter. Don't get me wrong, he's an amazing player.

2:23:20Are we not getting like, peak Salah, he could just travel a ball around the defence and straight into it. He was phenomenal. Yeah, but... He could. Like, come off his bunion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also do think a little bit as well, like, playmakers tend to gravitate towards taking set pieces as well, and Salah's never really done that either. See what I mean? when you think of when you think of a traditional playmaker in your mind they usually take set pieces at the same time I can't have someone with that technical ability being in like the top five I can't playmakers are what make football beautiful they make you get out of bed and think I'm watching this bloke today I'm going to watch David Silva today the first touch oh it's like he's got glue he sees passes no one else sees splitting defences just having fun Salo does that he does Mohamed Salah doesn't do that he's robust and he gets in good positions and he yeah he can make the odd good pass here and there a lot of his passes a lot of his assists are shots that just happen to go to the fucking centre of the world so where would you put him personally I'd have him I think I'd have to I'd have him just below Omri 18 assists in the Prem 10 assists in the Prem 12 assists in the Prem 40 goal contributions a year, we know that, but it's 10 assists in the Prem.

2:24:44I'd actually, in my mind, Firmino's more of a playmaker than Salah. Actually, yeah, do you know what? I'd have him below... I was looking around Ericsson. I was looking around Ericsson. Below Ericsson. I've got 10 or more assists in pretty much every season. Mate, his output's insane, but he's not... You don't think of him... But how many goals do Liverpool score compared to like that Arsenal team? It's probably 30 more goals, 20 more goals per season. Do you get what I mean? So they get in and more goals are scored in the modern era. Yeah, but we could use that for any modern player then. I know, so that's what I mean.

2:25:15There's stems to each player and argument. Like Giggs, Giggs doesn't have the most assists ever or the most output, but Giggs is kind of like, his whole game was playmaking. Yeah, I think that deserves some credence to, if you dictate or decide that your entire game is built around playmaking, just because you're very good at something else, actually kind of detracts away from being an outright playmaker. But if I said to you, right, tomorrow, tomorrow, I'm going to give, you can choose. That's almost why I think Arnaud's a bit too right. I'm going to play the ball into one player. I want you to create me a chance.

2:25:51Are you going to pick Salah or Ozil? Genuinely. I'm going to pick Ozil. There you go then. Is that not just an, I don't know. No, it's because you think he's a better playmaker. Yeah. All right. All right. Fucking convinced him to put him low. We've just lost Modric from the list. Yeah, Modric just had the top 20. Skulls. So we're there, we're putting Salah in a 10. Three more plays to come. Oh, Sculls. Paul Sculls is next. Paul Sculls, boys. Again, he... Sculls is such a rude one. He feels like the Modric. He started as like a second striker who scored goals. Then he went to like a two midfield with Keane up and down.

2:26:24And then he ended up being like a holding midfielder. I see Sculls similar to Modric where he was the guy giving the ball to the playmakers. But he wasn't that... No, no, no, no, no. Before we... Before, like, in the late 90s, he weren't that. but we didn't watch him that's the problem 55 assists and 499 he's passing right exactly it's not who's the best passer no I know yeah that's part of no no but he gave the ball to Beckham and Giggs yeah that is very true that's what he did that's very true 55 in 500 yeah to really we have to stay consistent just because we like him he's the dictator whoa what the what the above or below Rooney he's got like a below hasn't he he has to but then again could you not he's not going to make the list this is very interesting because like is Xavi a playmaker I'd put Sculls ahead of Rooney no I would not put Sculls because I think Sculls is closer to that mould he is he's closer to that mould what I was thinking I didn't say anything too bad there Rooney created more goals would you not would you not go in that role of I'm going to go a bit Football manager here But the deep line playmaker That's the shadow Oh the DLP Like the quarterback I think he's more of a playmaker Than Rooney Because like Realistically If you do Yeah he is Of course he is Spreading that long ball To the wing Is playmaking Is playmaking This is the whole argument We have for Modric You sitting Just inside drawing off Getting on the half turn And taking five players Out of the game With a line breaking pass Is playmaking That's what Gerard And Modric did No Modric did Gerrard didn't do that to the level Scholes did.

2:28:06Okay, well put Scholes above Gerrard then. Wow. You can't. Where is Gerrard? You can't. You can? You can't. You cannot. I don't think we should. I don't think we should. I think he should go ahead of Rooney. Actually, maybe Son. Have we popped up with Modric here? No, not in the Premier League. We've sent him away now. We can't go back there. Rooney's a better playmaker than Scholes. But Scholes is a better midfield. He's a better overall midfield. Better tempo control. We have to be consistent. Should we put him behind Rooney and take Kane out? Based off the definition we started with, he shouldn't have.

2:28:37Because what you say about Kane is he drops deep and plays those passes anyways. Skulls sits and does that all day, so take Kane out. I don't want to get involved. Harry Kane not in the top 20 playmakers. It's only not in the top 20 playmakers. You are involved. Now, Trent's a better playmaker than Skulls. He's a better player. He's got to be up there. I think he's a better playmaker than Salah. We just sat arguing about Skulls. He's not even going to survive this long. Does Trent fit in the mould that he describes as playmakers in the midfield? He's just a freak. To do what he did at right back is correct.

2:29:08From right back, by the way. Yeah. Right back. The only defender in this list. I'd have him above Salah. Yeah, I would as well. And that isn't a gender riddening. No, no, no. So that means Paul Scholes doesn't mean the top 20. That was a good discussion. Good discussion, that. Final player, though. Frank Lampard. I fucking love Lampard. Are we not in like Jeroen territory here? Yeah, we are in Jeroen territory. He's got a similar record to Jeroen, I believe, in the system. So I don't think Lampard makes it. As a playmaker. Oh my God. Tom Gurry here to Lampard. I agree. Who's the better playmaker, Gerard or Lampard?

2:29:39He's a box-crushing eight, isn't he? I think Gerard. I think we fucked this entire time. Gerard survived quite high up, like, hasn't he? Gerard, I feel... I think Lampard's a better playmaker than Son, though. Yeah, I think Gerard... I don't think Son should be in it. Because of where Gerard played, sometimes out the wing, he'd have more chances to create, like, crosses and whatnot, whereas Lampard's way more centrally and travel the ball. I'm not saying he didn't get assists. He got over 100 assists in the Premier League. It's phenomenal. Fifth most assists ever. Yeah, but he played 609. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:30:10He has to roll. Fabregas. The fact that Bergkamp is sixth, by the way. Wouters. Who's Lampard gotten ahead of then? Son. I don't even know if he makes it, you know. Is he better than Rooney? Also, by the way, Giggs has got so many more assists than anyone else in the Premier League. You've got, yeah, you've got Trent in 10th and Giggs in 16th. Yeah, but there's so many more. Yeah, but we've... 50 more games. People are just going to see one screenshot, one clip of this and not hear the context of our decision. I think we take Son out, you know. Yeah, he's more of a goal scorer. And put Lampard in.

2:30:42Right, for his place. No, take Son out. Yeah, he's gone too. And put Lampard above Rooney. Yeah, I like that. Above Foden. No, no, no, no. Giggs has got 60 more assists in 20 more games. No, no, no. Because we're here now. We've done it. Yeah, but he's higher. Yeah, he is higher. Just. So our top 10, in 10th you've got Trent. Are you happy with that? Yeah. I think he should be in top 10, yeah. Ozil at nine. Yeah. Fernandes in at eight. Yeah. Seven Beckham. Yeah. Six Henry. Five Bergkamp. Four Hazard. We're going to get cooked. Three Fabregas. Two Silva. One De Bruyne. I actually don't think the top three is too bad.

2:31:22I think a lot of people that watch this will say that is the top three of all time. Also, by the way, this is so tough. Yeah, man. It depends what you consider a playmaker or what you look for in a playmaker or whether you like somebody who creates play by dribbling and opening defences, passing or deep, deep passes or like breaking lines. Skulls, man. That's what I mean. It feels criminal not putting skulls. In playmakes. Nah, fuck skulls, man. I'm joking. He was more of that first line though. From what we remember anyway. Is there anybody there where you go, oh, I think we might have... Modric.

2:31:57Fuck that. Maybe No You think about it Modric and Eriksen Played in the same team Yes Eriksen was the playmaker Yes Giggs Too low It's fine I don't Live and die by it Maybe Maybe Maybe He was doing what Beckham did A better ratio No he didn't It's not a better ratio Might be Doctor I don't know It's like Kante had more assists Play and play off You just said it Is it Might be player profiles you'd always think Beckham's a better playmaker where is Beckham that's how you envisage him 18265 gigs was 160 in 600 so it's not far off let's just lock it let's just lock it in Beckham has a better ratio so it's Beckham so you're talking shit can we put gigs above Cazorla or above above Ericsson yes yeah go on yeah let's put gigs there I think that's fair crucified for that below Sal are we just doing that old fear though like are we not Speaking from the heart.

2:32:58I don't know. Giggs has got to be higher. He's better playmaker than Salah. Nah, I don't think he is. I don't think he is. So you put this out. He's a pit side top ten in playmakers of all time and nobody will see Ryan Giggs in there. Yeah, but it's like saying Alan Shearer isn't the best goal scorer ever in the Prem. Just because he scored the most. Disagree over here. No, you're really surprised. I have some counterpoints. What's that? It is kind of range of goals scored There's a range of chances created. There's elements to it. And that's another thing, playmaking, how many strings have you got to your bow?

2:33:35Giggs had a couple. Pace, crossing. Gribbling. Whereas the unanimous number one, De Bruyne. But he's passing, what's shooting? Not to be playmaking. I don't know, but it's saying stuff. Whereas unanimously, De Bruyne has the most in his arsenal. He's got the most to lean on when he needs to. Yeah, but then we've got one really sick. All right, going to end it there. Yeah, that's it. We're done. Yeah, we're done. Fuck you all. Life is full of tough choices, but switching and potentially saving hundreds when you bundle home and auto insurance with Progressive isn't one of them. Not like choosing a vacuum, which, you know, sounds simple enough.

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